 Where's our entry music? All right. Oh, there it is. Well, good afternoon, everybody. Welcome to the July 21st version of the Zoning Board of Appeals meeting. Looks like we got a quorum here. So I guess what we'll do is we'll call the meeting to order right now. Do we need to do a roll call? No. No. I was supposed to get it. We have not said Tracy left her. Okay. All right. Well, next up is the Pledge of Allegiance. Stand up. Allegiance to the flag. United States of America. And to the republic for which it stands, for one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. Is that the metal plate in my head? Is that a religious referral? All right. Thank you very much, everybody. Okay. Next up would be to identify any potential conflict of interest. If anybody feels they have a conflict with today's agenda items. Seeing none, I guess we'll go ahead and move forward. Okay. Let's see here. Did everybody get a chance to look over the meeting, the minutes from last month? Okay. Are there any questions? Any changes or anything that we need to? I'd like to make a motion to approve. Okay. So we have a motion to approve. Do we have a second? Okay. All right. Having a second. Any discussion? No. Hearing nothing. All in favor? Yep. Yep. We got a second. All in favor? Aye. Opposed? Hearing none. Chair votes aye. Motion passed. If I could just take a second, if everybody would indulge me for a second before we get started. I don't want to take up too much time, but I just want to make a couple of comments here. We had one of our board members, Don Sviton, sadly passed away at the beginning of this month or around the beginning of this month. So I just wanted to, I just kind of wanted to make mention of that and acknowledge, you know, sadly, he did pass away. He was a very important member, not only of this committee, but he was certainly a very important and active member in the community with volunteering, family events. Certainly he had a passion for music. So, but I just wanted to, just I just wanted to make an acknowledgement of that. Don was a very important factor of this, of this board as well. And his, his opinion was highly valuable to us. And certainly his friendship more importantly. So, but I'll open it up. If anybody else has anything they'd like to add, before we move forward. He was a member on the city planning commission for a number of years too. So yeah, he was a lot of, we appreciated his civil civil services and to the city of Sheboygan. Yeah, he'll certainly be missed. We'll deeply miss him. Yeah. Okay. All right. Well, thank you very much. All right. So item up on the list here, is a variance application by Andrew Purdy. Is that correct? Requesting to install a six feet high privacy fence in his required street yard. Previous property owner was granted a variance to install a six feet high fence, but was required to have a 50% open 12 inch lattice top on May 19th, 1999, located at 3232 main avenue. So Mr. Purdy, if you'd like to step up to the podium and let us know what you're looking at trying to do. I guess of the provided submission, is everybody able to see that? Okay. And review it or should I? Yeah. So I guess we are, as you said, looking to put up a six foot fence. I think a representative picture of what we're trying to do is figure two, just an online image. That image is of an unstained fence. So we're going the treated route and we would, for recommendations from the manufacturer, let it dry for a year and then apply a cedar tone stain to it. So it would have that appearance as in figure two with that kind of layered effect. It would exist in the same place as the existing six foot fence. It's right on top of it. It's taken down the existing and replacing as is. I guess some of the other things we're looking to do in that project. On page seven, some of the additional opportunities we have started on are doing some bush removal. So figure 10 shows the removal of a bush that will happen is happening. And then on the opposite end, figure nine, removing that bush to access the apple tree and raise that apple tree up, trim it up higher so that you have clear view of from that stop sign. And I guess lastly put in another evergreen, I guess it's visible in figure 10 that would match what was there. There was a tree that needed to be taken down there recently. So that's the super high level of it without getting too far into the weeds. Any questions about what's described? In priors, we generally will, it needs to be a 50% so a box style, correct? Or a vine fence when it's on a corner like that, correct? That's what we've approved in the past. Right. That's what it sounds like. Yeah, so I think if you take a look at some of the pictures, let's see here, what Mr. Purdy has shown is that there's some damages to the existing fence. And so when, obviously at Main and Taylor Drive, this is a real visible in a key corridor obviously in the city. So at that time in the 90s, you can see that they required that lattice on top of it to give some general design work. You can see based on this what the fence eventually looks like 20 years later. So instead of this style, and I'm sure Mr. Purdy would keep it up, but the fact of the matter is it's going to gray out and you're going to have this now along Taylor Drive. So it's, yeah, I think from a design perspective, I think what you're seeing here is a step down from even what's existing from a design perspective. I think something like this is more attractive than this. And I think along Taylor Drive, we have to be real cognizant of what we're putting out there. So a couple of the pictures just kind of give you a sense in terms of the length and how much is seen. And so this is just kind of the general area. At a minimum, that street frontage is really important. So that would be staff's comment on that. You know, we've done the vinyl and the shadow box, but you can see the design that you have there now and I'm not quite sure if we're up to that. Well, and many times on a corner, we've allowed a vinyl fence to be on the main road. So that would be on Taylor Drive. They would be required to use it there. But then the rest of the fence could be a different material. We've allowed two different ones, but then visibly from the road is where we've allowed that vinyl. So, so Steve, the recommendation then I guess from the city is to just to maybe dress it up a little bit more than what the proposal is then. Yeah, I think right now on just that, you know, proposal that we got for this is I think, like I said, the board previously in the 90s had a had a, you know, idea that, hey, this is an important area. We need some design. And I think the existing does that more so than the proposed. Are you a block off Taylor Drive to the West? I am right on the corner. Taylor and Maine. Yep. Across the street. I'll take a look. So the in figure two that it's very similar to shadow box, but it's called board on board. Figure two and three kind of show very similar images. So the one with the X through it is also a common fence, but it's just boards next to each other. I guess I wanted to make it clear that we're not doing that, that it does have, I'll say some depth to it. So they are, they are layered. Yeah, I guess he blew it up there some that's helpful. So it's not just one, you know, imperfect line of fencing. You do have that, that broken edge appearance. I guess another consideration that we were toying with was also putting, I'll say a top runner, a top lip across the, the very top, just to add some more accent or some post caps, some copper style. We like that look of copper, especially with a, not that this shows a earth tone or a cedar tone, but those two complement each other. So those were other options that we were thinking of. I'm sorry. I'm not, I kind of went off there. Does that answer your question? So you're going to have barbed wire on top. Is that it? It might be required for the boys, but I. Better security. Yeah. What color were you thinking of staining it again? Like a cedar color. Yeah. So you're going to let it age naturally. You're not going to be in. No, we are. So the plan is for the posts to be, or not just the posts, but the posts and fends itself to be treated. So a green treat. And then after that has a chance to dry to stain it with a cedar tone staining. So I guess the concern then of the board and the city would be is okay. That's a long run of fence. It looks like. Yeah. So we don't want to just see just fence. Yeah. I guess, and it's, it's going to be hard not to with that much going on. So, so I guess we're kind of looking for it's just something that. What are you looking for Steve? Um, I guess what I'm looking for from the standpoint or what would be recommended is again, when you take a look at the pictures on the screen or up on top, you see what happens after 20 years. And in this case, we got lattice in with what's being proposed. Now we're going to just see this grayed out potentially not saying, you know, in another 20 years and, and is this an acceptable fence compared to even what we have now? And I think it needs to be dressed up more than what we, what's being proposed. And typically we've done some vinyl. If something was even considered like this, you know, what we, what Mr. Purdy, you know, and the, and the board could consider is he's just adding something over here. Does it mean that more landscaping is required another, you know, two, three, four trees or whatever, or arms or whatever in this area? I don't know. Those are other options. What if you go to a sidewalk, are you right now? Um, I don't have an exact measurement to the sidewalk, but from the existing fence to the street, that's 14 feet. And by the street, I do mean Taylor drive. Um, so the edge of the sidewalk is approximately half of that. So you're going to just to replace it where the fences, no, you're just going to put another one on. Correct. Yeah. We weren't planning on moving it closer or farther away. Um, and I guess to the earlier point of, of landscaping, um, on, yeah, that I guess the image that you had of figure 10, um, there was, there are the two evergreens that are visible today. Um, where the green triangle and it's, I guess it's kind of hard to see there was an evergreen there that needed to be removed. I think it would look quite nice if that was replaced and you have that continue with that spacing. And then there is a young one right next to the red circle. Um, that is starting to grow and, but then there was an odd bush on the corner that made that corner look kind of funny. So I do like that idea of, um, would you be willing to use a vinyl on that side of the road? Um, I would have preference against it and the white vinyl. It doesn't have to be white. Oh, different colors. Okay. It doesn't have to be white. Okay. You know what I mean? Cause every corner we, that's what we make them put up right. It looks so much better and cleaner for the longer timeframe. So, so this one is a little bit of a challenge. I mean, again, I don't think everybody's got a, you know, wouldn't want to move forward with it because we see what you're trying to do. But again, with that kind of a run in that location, we're just looking to, to just dress it up a little bit, not, not to drastically increase cost or anything like that, but we're just trying to, to dress up that location a little bit more. And it clearly seems like you are with cutting out some of those bushes and trimming up the trees and things like that. So that will definitely help. But we're just looking for maybe a combination of something that we can do again with, with other landscaping options and a different style or different, something different with the fencing. Cause even, even the vinyl, I mean, with that, I mean, it's, that's a lot, that's a lot of a run right there. One kind of continuous wall of the same, the same thing over and over again. It looks kind of bland if it's all the same, right? Do you want some depth there? Yeah. Some changes. But then then again, the concern then would be in the future is now we have a, we have a long run of worn out and weather beaten, you know, fencing, just like we kind of have right there, right now. So that's what we're trying to possibly avoid. So do we have any, does anybody have any, any kind of emotion or any other ideas that might, would you consider a shadow box? You mean the, where the, cause we've had a lot of, Francis put up, I would guess 90% of them are shadow blocks. Okay. You drive around town, you see a lot of that, but it's pretty decent from the street. We've done that. At my, my concern, you know, like I said, more than anything is just the weathering of it and how visible it is on Taylor drive, you know, but we have done. One that's where like, to me, this is similar to the one that we approved that was across the street on Eisner. Now Eisner is that main road. It's across the street from the nursing home. So then you had that three story building that's looking at this fence, which what, which now is like, it's like a cream color vinyl. It's not white. It's a cream color. So part of their fence, so half of their fence is wood. And the other half is vinyl, which is what's exposed to the road, because that's what they were, I guess willing to do. But it always looks the same, I guess all the time. And that's been up for a couple of years. Now we did it on superior Avenue two was another one. I think seventh and Michigan. That's another one where they did, they chose to do the whole fencing in those cases. But I mean, now those, that one properties changed owners twice now. Right. And it still looks the same, you know, is in the, I guess to the point of the, the graying out. Is that anything you've asked people to correct over time? If there is a property and it has great fence, it's a, you guys got to stain this. It can't be this horrific. Yeah, sometimes what happens. Generally the neighbors that will complain. Yeah, sometimes it's just the administration of it. You're not always going by it or whatever, but yeah, that's been looked at from time to time. Yeah. You get, you get a feedback and can, can somebody nudge? Yeah. Right. Okay. I'm wondering if, I mean, we don't want the fence to look like that. This was, like I said, approved in what year, how many years ago and it's falling apart. So the putting money into restain it type of thing was the, the, let's, let's put something in there that's going to last a while. And then I'm not opposed to a regular restaining and upkeep of something that's at the beginning of its life here. Not, not so much at the end of its life. It's at the end of its life. Let's replace it. Is it for, for the material out there, is that green treated? Yes, it is. Yeah. Treated with. So that takes some time to stain in and of itself. Doesn't it Jeff? At least a year. Yeah. Okay. Okay. Do we have any, any kind of a, yes. Yes sir. You guys suggested Mr. Letzky. Nope. You're late. There you go. I'm sorry. Can you press it? The fence that you're proposing is a long, a very sensitive area of the entrance into Sheboygan. I would like you to consider the possibility of using the shadow box fence for that area because you already have the right amount of materials there. The board on board gives you the same amount of materials. And I also like your idea of extending up the four by four posts that are what six feet on center and putting copper caps on them. I think I could approve. I could recommend that we consider accepting your proposal for variance with the possibility of adding to that the amendment that it be shadow box with the posts extended up a few inches and given copper caps or the possibility of vinyl of your color selection. Do you have a question? No, I thought there was another comment. No. Okay. So Dick, is that a motion? Yes. I could make that a motion. Okay. Do I have a second? The motion is that he wants a shadow box. Either a shadow box or with the copper caps on a post, if he extends up some of the posts a few inches and puts a copper cap on them or he goes to a vinyl material, the color of his choosing. What are you going to go on with? I would lean more towards the shadow box being closer to what we're proposing today. So is your motion to put a shadow box there? Yes. Motion is, yeah, okay. Good. All right. So we have a motion on the floor and a second. Nope. I didn't second. No. Yeah. Do we have any other further discussion? All in favor of the motion? There's no more discussion. There's no discussion further? Yes. All in favor of the motion? Say aye. Aye. Opposed? Chair votes aye. With one opposed. So it looks like the motion passes. So what you'll want to do is you can work with Jeff which you've been working with building inspector on that side and then probably what you could do is just get that plan in and show the pulse with the style of the copper cap and then that way Jeff can review it to make sure, hey, it's what we're after. And if there's any thoughts on adding any additional landscaping over there or things like that, certainly feel free to do that as well. Okay. But the motion was approved for that shadow box style and vinyl if you would choose to go that way out. All right. Thank you. All right. Very good. All right. Thank you very much. All right. I guess I'll call you or find your contact. Sure. No stairs. Second floor building inspection. Okay. Perfect. Thank you. And you believe that is it? Do I hear a motion to adjourn? You got any more business? It doesn't look like we do. I'll make a motion to adjourn. I'll second it. All right. We got a motion to adjourn. All right. Meeting adjourned. All right. Thanks everybody. Thank you. Thanks guys. Good job. Good job. Easy.