 News click is privileged to have with us Mr. Tarun Gogai, former chief minister of Assam and veteran congress leaders. The energies, they are not performing their duties as per the provision of the law. The very purpose for which this process was started and this process was also started because of me also. It was my brain side. There was no such agreement in Assam Accord also. As you know, the foreigners issue was raised in initial stage by the Assu. Everybody knows and there was a huge movement against that also. That started for 79, then it continued till 85 when the Assam Accord was signed. That was the biggest movement in Assam also, in the state of Assam and particularly by the young students as you know. When the Assam Accord was signed, there was no such clause or no such demand from that part. That energy should be there. Energy of course, that provision is there in Indian law also in the country. But never before in any other states except in 1951 in the state of Assam, energy was prepared. Though the provision has been there all along, even for the first time 1951 was the energy was prepared for Assam. So the question also all along been arising, why it was prepared only in Assam, not in other states. During my tenure, I decided, I said that it is better to have a national register of citizens since the provision has been there. So it is better to revive the same register. So that was my brain side. You see they themselves had an apprehension. Then after publication of the final draft on 30th June, of course now the 30th, tomorrow is the 30th June, they are not going to publish, whatever may be. They had their own apprehension. They went to Delhi also, had a discussion with the Home Minister, sought extra forces. So that means large number of genuine Indian citizens will be left out. Otherwise why there will be disturbance? Why they had an apprehension? My question is why this government of Assam had an apprehension? Then there was likely to go a big disturbance after the publication, why? That means large number of, when resentment takes place, when you ignore the people's genuine giveances, when you do injustice. Only then the resentment does take place. They are asking 150 companies. Not only also did, they did a mock deal also, how to deal. A mock deal in Morigao, how to deal with the situation. Never I have heard in history doing a mock deal. You see during my tenure also we are dealing not this type of citizens. Citizens worse than all those alphas, all those extremists, we are doing it. But we didn't do it a mock deal, how to deal with my insurgency, which is normal nature. So why did they do it? Why they are creating such a situation? Why? There are many cases, this is also true, where there are genuine Indian citizens. They took part in earlier election. Even they were declared as foreigners. They were sent to detention camp also. There are cases, that's why I have heard of them. It's a fact also. It's a fact, I know. We mention the names also. We take up the matter with the President of India also. We give the names also, not that we are just vague, vague allegations, no. We have substantiated certain cases also. And you are absolutely right. Most of them are poor and illiterate. They don't receive any notice also. No more notice. So just the judges passed that without bothering to see whether notice has been served or not. Certain judges are also partial, that also. We judge partial which I can't say. But there are complaints against them also. There are a lot of certain criminal judges. Somebody told me that they were also instructed accordingly. They say, all right, what to do? You go to Supreme Court, you go to High Court against my order. So this is also, a lot of people are telling us. A lot of foreigners, tribunals, I say these are instructions if I don't do it. They will also turn and say, for their own service, for their own interest. This is all right. After that you go to High Court. How many can go to High Court? So they are not performing their duties. That is also true. So beside also as you know, even attorney general of India, they sought more time for extension of what you call, publication of NRC. Why? Because in the meantime this another bill is also is pending. City and everything, amendment bill also. Whereby they are, you see, going to allow, you see, even the foreigners. Only difference that only the Hindus or Christian Buddhists, they are also, there is a discrimination. Even, you see, which we are objecting. Muslims, not only because of Muslims, otherwise this is against our own constitution, your secularism. So on that also. And you can't make a distinction. In violent, the constitution provision also 14 and 15, whereby equality to everybody is. Or you can't discriminate on basis of language, caste and creed and all sorts. So these are the reasons. Already there are large number of foreigners. Already. So we are them. So you're, then, then panchayat certificate, particularly for the women. That's also true. Today there are lakhs of women, they have been undergoing lot of difficulties. Very difficult, make it very difficult to prove their Indian citizenship. And initially the panchayat certificate was to be accepted. That was our modality. That somebody went to the High Court. High Court also, they rejected it. High Court. He said, no, that panchayat certificate was not acceptable. But subsequently we were lucky that somebody went to the Supreme Court. Supreme Court, of course, reversed that order, acceptable. But even then, some officers, make it even then. Even then. Even then, though there has been, this order has been, High Court order has been set aside. Even then, you see, these officers who are verifying officers, you see, they are creating a lot of difficulties or problems in accepting all those certificates, which is absolutely wrong. In fact, many cases, you are absolutely right. I do agree in the name of, what you call, preparing the energy, they are creating a lot of sense of insecurity. Insecurity in the minds of large number of genuine Indian, both Muslim and Hindus. Not that only Muslim. Not that only the Muslim. All the linguistic minority as well as religious minority. As a result of which today, you see, everybody has a apprehension that this energy is not going to be a correct one. Instead of the very purpose for which the energy has been prepared, it is going to be very counterproductive as it is going in such a way. And though they have been telling, and first that, the draft which was published 2017 December, they are large number of genuine Indian, not only genuine, MLA's, MP's, senior journalists, their number also excluded. How? Even in first, final list is a final. Even the first list, large number of, large number of people, the names were, why? Why it was left out? You see. And you see, to determine whether it is an Indian, genuine or citizen or not, you can easily, thana wise, why can't you do it? Thana wise. Isn't it easy? You have so many officers are there. Every thana knows whether it is an Indian citizen or not. If he doesn't know what type of this thana is there. So you have got so much of officers are there. I have been all along telling if the election commission can prepare a voter list, because to be a voter Indian citizen. So if the election commission can prepare a voter list, which is more important than the energy document, because unless your name in voter list, you cannot take part in excise-fansise, you cannot elect yourself. That voter list is much important because that give you a right, a voting right to elect a government, to run the government, to run a government, to continue the process of democracy. Which document is more important? Tell us. Am I not? Yes. That important document, if it can be prepared, only a few months. Why? In spite of fact that it takes, you are taking few years, not only more than three years of work. Even then, why there is so lot of human crime? Why? That means you are not recharging your duties as per the provision of law. You are doing something under direction of certain government direction. This is my apprehension. No, they cannot be. You see, there is no law, because he is doubtful. Unless and until he is found to be a, declared to be a foreigner. Yes. He is a poor man, he has no, otherwise if he shall in the court, how? And most of the cases in the voters, 80% I think more than there are subsequently found to be Indian citizens. So that is absolutely wrong. It is a wrongful confinement. If your foreign doubtful voter is put behind a bar, it is a wrongful confinement. And his fundamental right has been violated. It is just like an emergency. That's why we call it an un-declared emergency. No, we are fighting for it. Yes, I must say, legal help as far as whatever the legal help, we have not been able to provide. I do agree. I do agree. But we have been taking up the matters with the Home Minister, with the President of India. We have been making as you know, and I have been making all this, taking up the matters frequently as far as. Not only that, I will tell you, even in Supreme Court, when I was a Chief Minister, I gave a affidavit. I said, those names, whose names are in voter list in 1914, all their names should come automatically. Why? If you ask me. Because that voter list has been prepared all on basis of Assam Accord, linking 67 voter lists. All these, what you call legacies. That voter list. Otherwise, you see, that voter list, that will be Indian citizen. To be Indian citizen has to be as per the Assam Accord. Without Indian citizen, how could you? Since voter list is a proof of inner's, your names will automatically come. In Supreme Court, that didn't either say reject, nor I did, I submitted. Even now also, I wrote two letters, one to Prime Minister of India, one also to Home Minister. I said, neither. After that, 16 voter lists also. No reply. Home Minister also replied. Both I have been giving. I said, since this has been prepared on it, unless they are Indian citizens, how can they be a voter? So your name automatically come? You see, the moment you accept it, this is a fact, how you can ignore it? This is my case. The moment automatically come, then all their legacies, the matter will be much more easier. They have no right to declare foreigners. You see, as I will tell you, they have no right to declare as foreigners. You see, only the foreigner's tribunal can declare. You see, how much is your debauchery? There are no more than 2 lakhs, they are not even educated. So, is your government now? What is our government? Today, it is as high as it is. Why you are not detecting? Why you are not detecting? And what is Mr. Modi saying? In the 14 elections, from May 16th, the foreigner of Assam, we will deport all of them. When I was 15 years old, those foreigners are from Red Carpet, so what is the foreigner saying? He took your land, he took your job, he took your food, this is the policy of Tarun Goway. When I will be there, from May 16th, I will deport all of them. I have not even done one. Why did you allow me to keep so many people here? This is my question. Mr. Adwani, Mr. Adwani, Mr. Rajnath Ji is the Home Minister, Prime Minister, why are you so isolated today? First, I gave. You see, and there were so many lakhs, so why didn't you discuss with us? And even today, to check its implementation, what is its border security force doing? There are so many people here, and the border is soaring, so who is responsible for this? Who is the good old man in the central government ministry? You see, nobody knows. The idea is the same, doubtful. We are not a government. We are not a government yet. That is what doubtful is. That is what doubtful is. That is what he is saying. That is what doubtful is. That is what doubtful is. That is what doubtful is. We are not sure. There is no 100% doubt. There is no foreigner. This is a political game. This is saying more and more. This is saying more and more. It is not easy also. Yes, they may but they have no right to declare as a foreigners. They have no right. There is a fundamental right also. India, they cannot care so much of chaos also. Don't think that people will not fight back. He is not there. Yes, they will care some problems, some people. But not that. That type of situation they can create. People will fight back. People will fight back. You see, people will fight back. If the genuine citizens are left back, people will fight back. Yes, why not fight back? That fundamental right is there. Indian democracy is still there. Courts are still there. Do the BJP government try to what you call stifle. Even the press also I know. They want to do it also. But not easy. Even emergency also we fail. I was there in emergency time also. We put behind everybody's. Was it successful? Press was censored also. That time I was also very much there. I was also in charge of youth Congress. So I know. Frankly speaking I always justify emergency. But I didn't justify the censor or put all the leaders behind the bar. Otherwise I justified. If I asked me, the situation was there. It was justified to impose. But it was not proper to put behind all those opposition leaders bar. And for press and source. I was very much there.