 Deon Evans live truth raw cut phenomenal segment there got that good update in with James Moss and you know I would now I would tell you I'd be I'd be less than right if I didn't do what I asked you to do and so I'll be very transparent I made sure that I gave $50 to the James Moss defense fund JM defense fun dot com I went ahead and took the time to be a blessing because I believe in it JM defense fun dot com send that out I know for those of you who can give a dollar give a dollar if I can get 50 of my friends to give a dollar because I gave $50 match me somebody match me give a tie to what I gave give $5 I gave $50 you know starting sound like a church of God in Christ preacher to get a hundred dollar line let's get it you know I gave $50 and I'm telling you not because I want you to clap don't clap that up there's nothing to clap up I just wanted to make sure that you knew as listeners and those to whom you'll tell I don't want you to ever ask people to do something that you yourself will not do I didn't bring James on because there's been a backdoor deal and you know we have a we have millions of people who listen to our broadcast and we do know that listener support does not exist because we're listening to support it ourselves and you know how it is when you're asking for yourself people don't give and that's why I knew it was best for us to do our best to try to at least ask for him and so I wanted to do my part to ask I wanted to do my part to give now sir ma'am I ask you to come alongside me partner with me to you know let's make a difference is that all right I hope that's all right with you if you have it give it if you don't have it don't worry about it but if you have it please do not operate as if you don't this man's life is hanging in the balance and we ought to be doing something about it all right before we get our next guest because I have another update for you I'm going to have Pastor Seiko Woods on with me before I bring Pastor Seiko Woods I want to take this call we got dual victory on the line out of Oakland dual welcome to Deion Evans live truth raw and uncut how are you doing hey I'm well brother I'm just disheartened I can't believe it but I can't believe it we live in America I just want to say I I match your 50 and I'll be sending in and as soon as I get home wonderful I appreciate that you can either do it through going through the website jam defense fund dot com or you can mail it in James Moss defense fund P. O. Box 200001 Montgomery Alabama 36120 dual I want to thank you for standing with this case I want to thank you for standing for justice let's just do our part absolutely let's just do our part we need to bring international national attention to the CNN rolling modern everybody I'm gonna blast it off on Facebook wonderful and I gotta I gotta really appreciate uh Stacey L. Bracey of the Bracey group and that's B. R. A. C. E. Y. She's been chronicling on Twitter so if you're on Twitter you're not following me you can follow me at four RMG the number four the letters RMG like righteous mercy grace or you can go to the hashtag James Moss James Moss and so uh you can go there you can catch up with all that Stacey L. Bracey put out there but I want you to also follow Stacey Bracey dual victory thank you for the call thank you brother thank you thank you for the match I appreciate you standing in the gap and matching thank you for that praise god for you and uh and may the lord bless you real good for doing something putting some money uh where your mouth is and putting feet on your prayers praise god for that that's good looking out good looking out all right let's do this uh we have another update that we want to talk about on Deion Evans live uh and this is a very important update to me because I did I I did this uh broadcast a video had surface um uh probably a little over a month ago uh from a colleague of mine and a fellow brother in the lord and um and I've had conversations with him on on and off record uh public and private as far as social engineering and cell phones is concerned and uh and I've talked to him about it he gave me information regarding his videotape uh and he gave me evidence and names regarding you know the contents of his videotape and as a investigative journalist I investigate the investigation and I'll be honest with you because I respect this brother so high uh I believed everything that he said uh to a certain extent and until I went investigated the investigation and at the time that I did my first interview uh five of the people who were spoken of in the videotape against pastor saco woods for uh two of them had already spoken to me personally and told me that not only did they not stand by the videotape but that they were highly angered that their names were used in that videotape and that their their place of business was actually filmed and then post the show I had been received uh calls from others so basically of the five people that I was given information on now four have contacted and have said that the information in the videotape does not properly represent their um does not properly represent their thoughts on pastor saco woods so being the responsible man that I have I had no no choice I'm forced to bring pastor saco woods because when we brought him on we talked about this videotape and at the point that we talked about this videotape we did not know um you know the truth from fiction to the videotape was this a personal vendetta we don't know but he was willing to come on and have the conversation and he had the conversation and he admitted a lot of things regarding um regarding the videotape I want to uh also give a shout out to Shirley Tarkington who has matched my fifty dollars praise god man praise god for those of you who are matching the fifty dollars to support James Moss man I'm so you know I just ask and I've always you know I praise god that I can ask for others and others can be blessed I just I just thank god for that and and and I mean that for my heart for those of you in Christ who are who are helping this brother James Moss get some lawyer that will be able to properly and adequately deal with him I think if we did this uh it's a better use of our tithes in our offerings to do it and use it in Christ's work oh I'm doing the show on that real soon on tithes and offering believe me let me get to it let's get brother pastor saco woods to the national stage pastor saco woods how are you doing man man I'm doing good brother I'm doing good hey man listen before we even get started man let me just say this uh my wife and I we already talked about it I heard the show uh this past two segment that you did uh with the brother and we will definitely match uh your fifty with another fifty so consider it done brother we not just saying it just to say it you know we're going to put our opinions together and I'm going to encourage the people in our church uh to uh to be prayerful and also consider giving you know at least a dollar we can we can buy combos and and two-piece dinners and all that kind of stuff bro I'm pretty sure we can we can make it happen on our end so uh we'll be supporting this brother to the best of our ability but you can count me on that deal ball means pastor saco woods and again I you know if you tell me I know about it but I other than that I won't know about it for those of you who are telling me about it praise god praise god that you're telling me because I can be able to let other people know to just to generate the movement pastor saco woods you're with me it's first segment man I want to talk about take down the video I have in all honesty talking to our dear brother uh and and I refuse let me let me say this for those of you who may be listening who are also uh close colleagues with our dear brother uh Kevin Oliver I don't have a dog in the fight I love Kevin Oliver I love pastor saco woods uh I believe to the best of my discerning abilities of what I know about them individually regarding their knowledge of the essentials of the Christian faith they're saved by the blood of Jesus are there areas secondary third class issues doctrinal issues that we may disagree on absolutely but you do not ever fall out over secondary or third third tier uh issues in doctrine but the essentials the person of Christ the person the nature of God those are the areas where we dig our heels in the sand I have pastor saco woods talking to our brother uh Kevin Oliver and I have asked him I've asked him point blank you know hey man why won't you just take the video down considering that you put this video out there you video taped in front of this pastor's house uh you use the thought that because your address was on the website he kind of kind of you know said that was public and so he did it publicly you know I've done a lot of things as an investigative journalist I don't think I would have put somebody's personal home even if that is their church I don't think I would have made that decision but I'm not going to censor a journalist uh although I'm not sure that Kevin Oliver is a journalist I do know that he is a YouTube blogger I do know that and there's a huge difference between blogging and journaling very huge difference and the rules are very different but I did ask him in his position was based upon you know the people who are now coming out saying that they don't stand by this video that they never they've never met Kevin Oliver they don't know Kevin Oliver they didn't speak to Kevin Oliver and yet Kevin won't take the video down his attitude was well if the people don't stand it by the people don't believe it then it's it's not consequential it's not necessary to which I argued with him well brother if it's if it's not if if your argument is falling apart and you're saying you're doing this record why won't you take it down when so many people to whom you're citing as your source are now saying we do not stand by this video and what's more concerning for me they don't even know Kevin Oliver they don't know Kevin Oliver they don't know him by his pen name and they all say we never talk to him that kind of concerns me having said that you wanted to come back on Deon Evans live we wanted to make that happen because I believe in balance and I believe in it being fair I did for those you who are listening I did invite Kevin to be on this show it's up to him if you would like to be a guest on the show and I've also encouraged Kevin that even after listening to this show if he would like same equal time to talk about the contents we can do that too and so those things are out there again I don't have a dog in the fight all I care about is clarity and truth and when you're in the public you don't get to be private when you want to all right so Pastor Seiko Woods the taking down of the video what has this video cost you what what what has been the fallout of this video regarding your life as a man as a father as a pastor as a husband talk to us man uh on all on all fronts it has cost me you know some discomfort it's cost me people to question whether or not uh some of the comments were true uh or statements were true by this video about people that I consider to be uh very you know very close friends uh people that I've that I've been knowing for like five six years plus give it take you know and um you know so I had to do a lot of uh damage control if you were not for the purpose of trying to hide anything but for the purpose of trying to you know uh protect my reputation for the sake of the gospel if this video was more so of an of an issue of him just you know uh bringing up my past uh from a personal level uh I wouldn't really trip on it but but as a as a pastor and as a minister of the gospel uh I have people that I'm responsible to and I have people that I must give an account to when I stand before the Lord so it cost a lot of discomfort uh it cost a lot of uh mental and spiritual harm uh to my family to my church I mean I had to do a lot of work man for the past few weeks uh in our church uh just to make sure that that we don't respond in the flesh I mean you know if if someone is attacking your child or someone is attacking someone that you love and that you care for you know you know that the the the the tension of them not wanting to do anything stupid versus them trying to walk in the spirit and not fulfill the lust of the flesh is going to be hard so you know I thank God for for you know my family my wife and kids man my church family other brothers and sisters that are even outside of our local fellowship that have stood with us but it was it was a battle man but one of the blessings I believe was it it helped me as a pastor to teach uh you know my congregation that this is this is a war this is a this is a battle Satan is not playing uh he's he's not called the accuser the brethren uh for no reason and Satan has people on his payroll that are willing to do his will uh when you are dangerous in the kingdom and so uh God uses as an opportunity for me to teach to educate for to encourage uh to to warrant to admonish the body of Christ you know locally and just universally that uh you know number one another stuff is true and then number two this happens when you are doing the work of the kingdom so um you know loss of a short man it just basically for me uh I have no no ill will toward uh Mr. Oliver at all I I do I do uh demand that he takes the video down because of the lies and because the the the the accusations have not been proven let me share this one of the contents of the video and I and I only bring this up all the things that I will bring up are things that I know absolutely have been uh found not to be true in the video in the video Kevin uh talks about that and and for those of you who were saying well DM put the video up I won't I refuse to put the video up uh for two reasons one because the contents of the video are not accurate and number two the comments to the video have been taken down I don't know how all of that has happened to transpire maybe uh Pastor Seiko Woods can give me more insight on that because pretty much I've stayed away from the video since I did the last show and I had already contacted sources that are quoted in the video and found out that they're not true one of the sources that I had not gotten confirmed until post our last interview was the whole idea that there was a church that had and um a church that had said that you are no longer welcome back at their church and I did talk talk to the leader of that church to find out that that was absolutely not true and the pastor was quite disturbed and again I'm not using his name because he does no longer want to be a part of this saga and he asked me if he if I could help to clear his name and so that's what I'm doing uh so if you know the video and there's a pastor that's spoken about that says that you are no longer welcome on the church grounds that pastor has called me personally and has sent me word personally that that is not true but also in that video there was some content in there about somebody else another church having a uh restraining order filed against you and in the video it was told that you could go and that's of a public record and you can go get a copy of it is there a restraining order against you have you from the contents of the video talk to the people or persons who are supposedly have a restraining order on you what has been the fallout over all of that yes I have spoken with the uh the church in question and uh no I do not have a restraining order just like the last show that you would graciously allow me to uh to be a part of there's no restraining order against me and as far as uh you know Kevin saying that this is public record all you got to do is ask that's a lie that's straight up lie um you know this is again another ad hominem attack because this has nothing to do uh with you know with the bible or with the with the gospel this is this is more personal so um I spoke with the uh with the pastor uh one of the pastors there and uh and and his his sentiment was the same as the other pastor that that you spoke with personally that you know that he even put on the on the youtube link uh that kevin ad produced that he does not want uh their name to be added to the situation this is this is not represent them this is not something that they uh that they you know conduct themselves as and so uh mysteriously and I use that as a tongue-in-cheek uh kevin is taking all the comments down more more so because people were uh basically you know uh responding to him and and and and rebuking him and in love and challenging him to to make the situation right and so not only did he take their comments down but he blocked me from making any kind of uh comment any kind of statement uh regarding the allegations and accusations okay so so wait a minute again I have pastor seiko woods on the line we're doing an update to a show that we did uh a couple of weeks back wanted to bring him back on because uh I like the show that we did then but there have been some new developments and it's only right to help make sure that we clear up with the same audience and the same platform that we did it on now you just told me that one of the uh churches leaders that was cited in the video that they put a comment on the actual youtube uh video rebuking the video absolutely absolutely now and I know for a fact that was the uh actual church that did it because their their their user name is one of the names of their ministries that they use so and plus I spoke with the pastor personally and uh he even made it clear to me uh that that was the case and also other people have have called this church just to verify I mean people that know me personally but at the same time they wanted to you know they wanted to test all the things and I have no problem with that be a Berean check it out but they even called the church and found out that the uh accusations and comments that Kevin made about me about this church in that video were a lie and it was false and they approached them as well so it has been more than just the church that has been contacting this dude it's been a lot of people been you know touching bases with this guy and wanting to make sure that he'd make it right but yet and still the video is still up right now so it's over 1600 hits you know but nonetheless I wouldn't care if it was only one when you lie on a person when you when you maliciously and intentionally slander somebody I don't care who may have seen it or not seen it is your obligation biblically as a professing Christian to make that right and that's why I had to bring you back on because you know I can't stay yay or nay I knew at the time I did the show about you know about 30% 20% of the video could not be well not that it could not be corroborated it was found to be misleading or untrue and then since then I have found out we're now you know closer to 75% that I know absolutely of the video is not true from the sources that are actually being spoken of in the video now to Kevin's defense I must say that he said I think in our last broadcast if memory serves me well that he was very careful not to say that they said but that people to whom he would not name told him these things and so he kind of you know he he protected people who didn't want to be cited but at the same time use names of people who he didn't speak to and those people are now whose names were used are now coming out saying we didn't talk to this man and he's not quoting us properly and the contents are not right you're saying a particular church in who was uh brought into this video has gone on the youtube and said basically rebuked the video and now you can't even make comments on the video no you can't make any comments on the video he's blocked uh you know anyone now for making comments first it was just me hold on real quick is it that you can't is it that you can't make comments but comments that are already there are there or were the comments that were even there were they completely removed yes no everything you just said the comments that were there have been completely removed and you cannot even make any comments now on the video he he has basically shut down the comment thread on the video but the video was still up and running so so what i'm hearing for those of you who are listening what's going on here is that there's been enough heat on the video to kill the comment section but not enough to keep the video to take the video down to me if i have to kill the comment section means i cannot allow anybody to comment and at least before i kill the comment section one of the churches in the video publicly publicly not a member of the church who says they go to the church but the church uses a link connected to their church publicly denounces the video and then i get rid of the comments now nobody can comment it seems to me that if i have to take the comments down then for the sake of reconciliation and the sake of forgiveness or the need of forgiveness i i think you have to take the video down too and that's why i named the segment take the video down and and again i you know maybe kevin was thinking to do in the right thing i personally feel this is me personally i personally feel that that kevin has allowed himself and i and i love him as a brother i do not outside of this video and maybe one other incidents i've only had two disagreements with kevin you know that i know of but outside of all of that i think if you circumvent matthew 18 you run the risk of putting yourself in a position where you've been pushed up a tree and then somebody lights that tree on fire from the bottom and so uh pastor woods what was it like uh when you had to go to worship service that sunday after the video had come out what were your people like have you lost congregants uh have people just said i i i it's too much i i can't come i can't be around that kind of drama what's been going on to the church since then has attendance dropped off what's been going on no actually attendance has not dropped off actually we have a sister that drives way across town uh that's been friends of ours for four years and has supported us even now with her presence uh so no attendance has not has not dropped off um what i did actually to make sure that people knew what was going on i played the video during our worship service uh we we have corporate prayer and so what i did was during our prayer time i played the video and i played it in its entirety i played with my children sitting there as well because i believe that my church needed to see this and know uh you know basically something that what what goes on because i want my children also to know what to pray for and even how to pray and so when they saw the video you know there was there was some anger um there was tears being shed and i said now take all of that and let's take it to the cross that's what i guess what we did we prayed prayed for god to vindicate and we prayed for god to move on kevin's heart and we prayed also for those who slandered uh me also slandered our church my family uh you know the congregants here so no we have not lost members brother if anything it's made our it's made our membership stronger and our fellowship and and communion with each other and with the lord most importantly stronger wonderful one let's do this quick we got a caller from new york we got louis let's bring louis onto the line louis welcome to d i have his live truth raw and uncut dig in hey god bless you my brother what's up saco hey what up bro all right um i just uh i know saco for a couple of years and and the one thing that bothers me about what kevin did is the lack of of of repentance um if he if he is a believable he calls himself a believer you don't see it you know what i'm saying because for you to just outright your slander and you call yourself a journalist too it's a sloppy job and and then it's a little it's a little punkish take down comments especially you know i'm saying uh after you get exposed you know it's it's it's bad very bad uh you know as he calls himself a believer so let me let me ask you this question louis i mean i want i want to be i don't want to do commentary on top of people's comments because people have a right to their comments how do you see what would have to happen in your opinion louis of new york for us to get some type of reconciliation going on in this process well um the one thing is that kevin would have to repent repent take down a video and and admit that it was it was a smear campaign you know um uh like i said i've known i know saco for a few years and everything that he mentioned on the video was basically alive when he did um after he did the video he had his he showed that saturday i called in and i and i mentioned something about when he said about uh when saco was in gyro that day he left and i i told him well this is the reason he left he didn't want to hear he hung up on me you know so you know what you did so wait a minute you call you called into a radio show of kevin and you tried to explain to him some more information that will help give him a better context and when you gave information warren for seeking to give information you were hung up on he said he said uh we're not going to allow uh saco's uh people to to control the show and uh he didn't want to go tit for tat and and what i had the reason that saco left gyro was very important for people to find out kevin kevin you it's just that you can't give half a story let's do this real quick louis i want you to hold the line we got to take a hard break we're going to come back on the other side more we'll pass the saco woods and to call her out of new york brother louis we'll be back