 There we go. All right, so my name's Richard Doolan, and I'm with the Brookfield Emergency Management. I'm also with the Orange County Sheriff's Department Emergency Management. And I've been working since January when I took a course about opening shelters and how they work and how they should work through the Red Cross. Myself, Pastor Mary, and my wife took this course. I believe Pastor Mary might be showing up. She said she was going to. And I became very interested in the general public and what we do because I do the emergency management, but the shelter aspect is not my job. That's to be handed off to a shelter manager. And so further looking into it, I realize that nobody knows what they're doing, which is normal. We all muddle together and try to figure it out. So my big goal is to be able to hand, to start a shelter here or at VTC, which is in our emergency plan, or using the senior center in Randolph as a warming cooling shelter. Also, I have a relationship with the town of Lebanon, the city of Lebanon, to be able to use their shelter. In the case of a larger incident, which the agreement with Jim is that we will send volunteers down there to man the shelter. That Lebanon will not bear the full cost. That we will help with that. So in a huge incident, I would say, OK, can we do this? Can we get some volunteers down there? I was hoping for more people to come, but that will end up here hopefully in the future here. Please, can I ask a question? Yeah. What is the job of the emergency management? Is this like a paid position or a volunteer position? Most states, towns, large organizations like Dartmouth College have a paid position for emergency management. And their job is to look at what's happening within the facilities within the town and look at the infrastructure, stay in contact with the fire department, the DPW, the Board of Health, and all of that and sort of manage what's happening. And when something happens to have a relationship, like I have a relationship with Kevin, he's a fire chief, and the town DPW, Tim, and I try to stay in contact. They try to stay in contact with me during an incident. And we try to figure out what the needs are for the town. And my job is to start finding those resources or communicate with what's happening. So if Kevin and his guys are out dealing with an incident, that, yes, dispatch for fire would take care of it. But sometimes something needs to be done that has nothing to do with dispatch for fire. So he can give me a shout and say, find somebody. Take care of this. And then I can get back to him and say, I found somebody, or I didn't find anyone. So it's basically the catch-all and distribution of goods and services like that. Fans that we got in Brookfield, the state was calling around, seeing who wanted them. Of course, I jumped on board for it and said, yeah, we want them. The cleanup kits that were sitting down at the town hall, my wife and I were doing some volunteer work in Barrie and talking to our person that we're supposed to be dealing with Red Cross, talking with her. And she says, well, at the end of the day, take what you think you can use. And there was five or six kits left. I said, well, I'll take them all. And I'll bring down at Brookfield and let people know that as best as I can that they're there. So that's basically, there's more to it, but it gives you a sort of an idea of what's happening there. Yep. Can we introduce ourselves? Is that OK? Yep. So my name's Rich Julen. I'm emergency management for Brookfield. I'm also with the Orange County Sheriff's Department, director for them. And you're next. Originally because we got some of those air conditioners and one summer was very hot. And I felt really bad that seniors did have somewhere to go. So that's how I'm involved here. I'm Amy Gracia, I'm the treasurer here at Brookfield. Don't kill me when your tax bills come out. That's an emergency. Just kidding. And I've been involved with EMS in New Jersey. I was an EMT and did a lot of work for the First Aid Squad. I'm Judith Irving. Used to live down in Kibbey Road for 40 years. We ran Fat Toad Farm. And then just moved recently up above North Pond, living right next to my daughter and her family. And I'm just now relieved of the joy of running a business in 24-7 for 17 years. And I'm just really committed to Brookfield. I've been here for a long, long time. I'm interested in helping out. I did work in Barrie during the flood recovery for three or four weeks. So I think that just showed me how much, how important it is for there to be community-based organizations to do something. Because if you sit around and wait for anything else, you're not going to see it. And I'm a fairly new resident of Brookfield. And I received a lot of assistance during the last flood. And I want to get back and help in any way that I can. Kevin Wheely, Brookfield Fire Chief in town. I'm Devin. I'm the librarian in Randolph. A librarian in Randolph. And just happy to help. Emery in the Pius Town Clerk and treasurer in Randolph. I was waiting around us, expecting people to call Randolph and ask for help, or say we're gathering a volunteer group. I never did that call. About two weeks after it, the Vermont National Guard called and said, hey, we've got suits and gloves and all of that, and asked me who to reach out to. They just delivered it to my office, but I didn't know where to send it all. So they're going to be in time. Susie Zanee, I worked here at the school. I was at the preschool. I just this summer, looking at all of the disasters, it's like we've got to be prepared. Something's going to happen. Charlie Zanee, and I also work for the Supervisory Union. We live on Bear Hill Road, so we're on that side. I didn't know what kind of, this is interesting. It's a much more wider base. I was thinking very kind of community type of thing. So we just broke fields. But that's not bad. I guess you get more resources. It just isn't what I was kind of expecting, but just sort of the same thing we feel like. If we're not flooded out, or in a disaster, we can go and help. And hopefully there would be that resource available for us if we're in a disastrous situation. Cool. Yeah, so on that, John Bentley, chair of the Select Board, he and I were talking a while back ago. I've been working on this since January, February. And finally got to this point of holding a meeting and trying to get volunteers. He and I were both talking, and we both feel, let's put any ego, self-righteousness aside, and look at this as we're a community. It doesn't matter our town border. It matters about, and I picked the tri-town because we are the same school district. We use the same resources. This last incident that we had Randolph opened up in Brookfield's shelter. And they called it email and said, hey, we'd like to open a shelter. Of course, he said yes. Well, that was Brookfield's and their plan for that place. So it doesn't matter who opened it. It doesn't matter what. It matters that it's manned. It matters that everybody's welcome. And everybody is trying to do their fair share of helping out their neighbors, because we're all neighbors. I live in Randolph, and I do stuff for Brookfield. It doesn't matter. It matters that we are all helping each other, period, end of story. So we'll get moving here because we're using up a lot of time. The local areas that have been named as possible shelters is obviously the Brookfield School that's getting vetted here soon. VTC, which I spent a lot of time with the Red Cross reopening that because it went dormant. Nobody knew how to get a hold of them. I went there, got the information, fed it to Mark, the Red Cross, and re-put that on the map. So now that's a viable facility. The Senior Center we're working with, and they cater to the three towns as well. So that's part of our possibility of using that for cooling and warming. And we could use it for other resources, depending on what's happening. And also, I've been working with Lebanon, the city of Lebanon. And I have an agreement with Lebanon that if we are sending people to Lebanon, because a lot of people work in Lebanon, or the White River Junction, and if they're stranded, the shelter's open, that we might be able to send volunteers to help and lessen the burden on that city and help them to help us kind of thing. So that's all being in the works and is rough cut at this point. The requirements for a volunteer, which I think everybody meets that requirement here, because I know most of everybody here, clean background, Jack. You can't have any felonies or anything like that. Now, if somebody wants to volunteer with this group, and they have whatever criminal record, as long as there's parameters, we need help finding resources. We need help running copies. We need help so they can help, but not on the facility, because they can't be on a school building or part of it with a bad background. The person needs to be able to de-escalate a problem. So you get people walking in, and they're upset because their home's floating away, or whatever's happening in their life. You've got to be able to calm them down. Not blow sunshine all over the place, but help them keep a straight head. Oh, there we go. Right. So that's a great resource, and we'll get together and get that information. So just a thumbnail sketch. A volunteer's duties in a shelter will bring in being trustworthy, respecting the confidentiality of our guests, not judging people, being judgmental. Giving information to if you're working in the shelter, giving information to the shelter manager, and also the EOC, the EMD, the Operation Emergency Center, or the Emergency Manager Director, giving them the information that they need to find more resources or something of that nature. Intaking of guests. And that's what you saw out front. Every facility that I've looked at, this facility, the Judd Building for VTC, and also the Senior Center, has a hallway. So you want to intake people out there and start bringing them in, getting them to fill out the information. And if somebody says, is Joan in there, you don't give them that information because Joan might have a restraining order against this guy Fred. Do you want to check in? Great. So Fred goes to check in. You have the information, which would be in this box. And you know this Fred guy's not supposed to be around this other person. So you call the police and say, we got a possible incident. Police send somebody. And then they can be dragged off and justice will be served. So you want to keep in mind that sometimes there's difficult situations and back to being up to diffuse situations. Check in with guests if they need anything. Well, when you're checking them in, you want to see if in the next six to eight hours do you need anything, any medication, and that's all part of the information that I'll give later the next meeting. So you want to be able to do that and figure out who's doing what. I want to get some safety vests with emergency management put on them. So it'd be obvious that myself and Kevin are working the shelter because we'll be glowing. So you know that we're the people in charge of that facility at that moment. Be looking for a shelter manager or two shelter managers to sort of house all this information and then stay in contact with the volunteers. And so like I said, started this in January, February, started running with it. Obviously having a relationship with the Red Cross and Lindsay and Mark are the two key people for contact, which I've been talking with them. I haven't talked to Lindsay too much because she's been on boots on the ground and Barry. And as soon as she lightens up, then her and I and my wife are gonna go out for lunch and talk about all of this that's happening for here. There's a relationship with obviously VTC College, White River Ambulance. They are willing to stage an ambulance at any location that we have. Now by staging, that doesn't mean that they're gonna stay here. If the call comes in, they're out. But if no call is around and we've got 20 guests here that they'll be walking around and hanging out and chit chatting. And at least we have some medical folks. I'm gonna urge anybody that volunteers for doing shelter to take CPR. It's not a requirement, but it would be good to have. And any town worker or school worker should probably have that anyway. And not to pick on Kevin, but firefighters are great, but we don't want you in the volunteering because you're gonna have to run out and do your job just like I don't want police. I won't be in the shelter. But I'm psyched that you're here. Another resource that we have after the incident starts happening, we start opening a shelter. The watch officer's been called. The MRC is notified, which is through Vermont Emergency Management. They're a core of volunteers for shelters. They're contacted by the watch officer that this shelter's opening and it's possible that we'll need help. So if we have 20 volunteers and they're out of town or they can't get there or just crazy stuff in their own lives, I'm not gonna look down and nobody should look down on anybody. It says, I will volunteer and they have their own stuff happening and they can't. That's understandable. We all have lives, we all have things, but having a ton of names and a ton of numbers to call is gonna be perfect. And that's what I'm hoping to get. The Chandler is willing to let me use their marquee as long as the power's not out. Use their marquee to put messages out to people driving back and forth to work. And we can actually use the Chandler as long as their power to house people for a short amount of time. I have a food distribution that is willing to let me take food if we have to open this. The OSSD is willing to stock this with food and water if that's what's needed. Or it might change down to the high school. The robocall system, Lane is willing to put out calls strictly for this town or all the towns that they have and they have, let's see, Braintree. Unrobocall has 147 people. Brookfield has 146 and Randolph has 1208 people that can be reached out. So if something ever happened, that's a great resource to be able to use. I have a relationship with Green Mountain Power that can work on different areas, if people are on oxygen, to try to get those areas turned back on sooner than later and different resources that are available. That was, I use it at night. Okay, right, exactly. So that's something that, I don't know who can get that out. Sooner or later, we're gonna have to get the town offices to send out when they send something out, send a brochure, we've talked about it. I'm sending out tax bills in another week. Well, this is a good time to throw an extra piece of paper in there. We'll have to talk about that. I don't know, that's a good question. I should probably find that out. I know 2-1-1 has its own system and a lot of people don't trust it or a lot of people don't use it and that's one of those things. But the safety committee and I were talking about we should be ready as our own. I've got a bunch of food in my house but I need electric to run my heat. You got a little bit in your house but you don't need electric. Well, can I come hang out with you? I'll bring my food and sharing resources within the town. That's something that is definitely possible kind of thing. Now, who wants to do it? I don't know, that's gonna be episode. Down the line, we'll have to figure that out. Onto this facility. This facility can house per day 77 people. This facility for sleeping quarters can house 38 people. This build, this room right here. This room right here, yeah. It's 77 people in this room at one time. To sleep, it can house 38 people. Now, on the stuff that I gave you, the COVID layout is what I wanna go with. Now, are we, yeah, you'll see it a little pround, yeah. So the COVID layout for our shelter is how I wanna go, not because of COVID, because of the flu, because of the common cold, because of whatever. I want caught six feet apart from face to face in practicing clean, healthy aspect. It's something that we should be doing anyway. And sometimes we won't be able to, but the Red Cross will deliver 50 cots. We need 38. Well, you can have a handful of malfunctioning ones or put some people in the hallway if we had to. Is that the school closes? What's that? Is that a school closes? If we need to open a shelter, the school will be closed. So that that triggers the storm. Not the shelter, but it's gonna be bad enough that the buses won't be able to move safely. Power's gonna be out throughout the town. This place will be lit up, because they have a generator. School's not gonna happen. So that's not really a problem. If it is, then we can figure out something else. VTC, for their location, can house, in the Judd building, can house 228 people. And sleeping quarters can do 114 people. The outer building can house just, you know, during the day, 129 people. And that's the, I'm forgetting the name of that building, the Shape Campus Center. So that, you know, there's two different locations that can be used there. And during Irene, the Judd building was being used as a shelter. And the other building was being used as relief for the Army National Guard, firefighters, or whoever. So that was their quarters. Hopefully we don't go into that aspect. Watching the time here. The Randolph Senior Center can house just during the day, 47 people, by the square feet. And they come up, the Red Cross comes up with this number, 20 feet, 20 square feet per person. And then it's 40 feet for sleeping. That's how they come up. So you measure the inside of the building and you come up with your numbers. So any questions so far? So I don't know how everybody feels here. Are you on board with volunteering and being a part of it? Okay, cool. Because it's gonna be during time periods, obviously that we're gonna have hard time getting here or getting to the other locations. And a lot of people don't use shelters. I would like to see two people in a shelter. That's safe. My suggestion would be bring a deck of cards. Because you probably won't see anyone. But if you do, that's awesome. If you see a bunch of people, we're in big trouble. You know, as a community, that means we need to start reaching out and getting more resources and more buildings set up. Are there options for providing transportation for people to the shelter? I had an agreement with Stagecoach. And Stagecoach is no longer Stagecoach. Right, so now I've gotta renegotiate that agreement. I had an agreement at one point with Stagecoach that within an hour and a half during the evening, they could get a bus moving. During the day, they already have buses moving. But there's a protocol that they have to do to get that bus on the road. So that's getting a driver, getting them to the facility to pick up the bus, to do the checklist, and so forth. So it would be about an hour and a half to get a bus on there. Are there any models for, like using phone trees? Like a little neighborhood phone. That's something that we can definitely look at doing in the near future. But that's a great thing for the robo call system. It's people that are signed up with kids in school. So you could have four or three people, or two people, one person, for one student. So we don't have a real good number. It could be a grandmother, a sister, and a single mom for little Sally. We don't know. And I don't think that's a reasonable question to ask Lane to figure out. But we know that if a call went out, it would be worded in the set of, even if this doesn't concern you, please put the word out. That I do not know. I'm just thinking of people who are harder to reach. Right. And how we're already in touch with them. Well, during this last storm, if Kevin wants to, he can say, I called Kevin, and I don't know if it was already on his mind, and or said to him, person to person, hey, after later on, can you send a truck out, some guys out to the roads that are affected and make sure that people are okay? And go ahead, Kevin. Yeah, that's what we did right. I, yeah, they do on top of the police department. I was told by Aldalfo that they worked. I don't know if they still work. That would be something that I would love to see if it does work. So that's something that probably the fire chief, Scott and the town manager should work on to see if they can put the word out that they're gonna ring this thing and see if it does work, because that would be a great resource. You know, and put out a notice, say you should be turning on your radio, your local radio here in town to see what's happening and call people and let them know, hey, that stuff's happening. So that's, I would love to hear that ring. Make sure it's after five o'clock, because I wanna hear it. I used to have it at noon. Right, I heard it at noon. Cool. So that's pretty much all that I have to firmly say, I do wanna set up another meeting in September 28th at 6.30. Now, Brookfield residents will have to travel a little bit, and that will be at the Randolph Senior Center, because my goal is, you all can see this, if you're not familiar, a lot of everybody is I guess familiar, that's here, that you can see this building and how it's set up and get an understanding of what is expected if we do a shelter here, that people are checked in outside, people that are in here, nobody knows their name until we know who you are before we sort of let you in. And obviously in a shelter, people can't come in and take pictures. That's not permitted, privacy issues. The media is not allowed in. Police obviously are allowed in and et cetera. I would be watching the town would be watching what's happening for weather-wise. We are, and why I like this building is the safety committee fell upon a situation that they're building, a tabletop exercise that started in March. And this storm that's gonna roll in is going to happen, it's when it will happen if they don't fix the power lines. A storm will roll in, it's gonna be snow, it's gonna turn to rain and ice, it's gonna, and I don't know the proper name, but those huge towers with the big power lines, it's gonna knock those down a couple of sections of it. And it's gonna affect southbound. So it's gonna hit Vermont, New Hampshire, Massachusetts. And those cities, those states will be out of power for 17 to 30 days. What do you do? Roofs are falling in, flat building roofs are collapsing. That's why I didn't like the high school too much for our location. That's why I don't like VTC too much. I like this, it's gonna shed. And we're not gonna have a problem with this building. So the three states are working together through emergency management. What are we going to do? So that was another factor of this whole building and shelter and just watching what's happening around me. This has a generator and it will last, I wanna say, I think he told me a week if it's full, I believe it's propane. You know? I mean, you could take a gander at the machine out there. It would be a buried tank. Because it's probably underground. Yeah. But anyways, there's resources here. We can get resources, we can get food, we can get water. Relatively well, we've got the high school stocked and that will feed the population for the high school and junior high before I believe it's a week. So bringing food over here or feeding people at the high school, everybody that wants food, it's probably a couple of days. You got local food shelves that are willing to give up food. Now in that March tabletop exercise, we're sort of skunked. You know, it's, what do you have at your house? You know, what are you willing to share? We have nothing here. What's that? In this house, we have nothing. In this house, we have a little bit. We have some. We have some. I believe they are preparing meals here. So there's some. But there's, there's, it would be a lot of running around and checking what's available and probably first come, first serve. So my thing would be hit the shaws. Hit the, you know, say, hey, we need food. We'll pay you later. I don't, you know, we'll figure out. The churches, which is another resource that I think we should think about. Yeah, I mean, they had immense donations from Cabot and the shaws and the antifers. They had more food than they could use, but how do you, in that case, they could get it to the churches. You know, they could get it in there. And then they had staff that were cooking. Right. And then they were distributing it throughout the community. But that's a real, there's a real system there. There is. And that, and that's why I really want to, if we have to open a shelter, if we feel the need is to open a shelter, we open a shelter and notify the proper chain of command as you're supposed to in getting ready to turn it over to the Red Cross because they have all the resources. You know, they have more, we can throw our resources into the pot as well and our volunteers into the pot. And it would be a better situation to sit there and run a shelter that is a private shelter is insane because now you're responsible. So if Brookfield said, okay, we're gonna open a shelter and it's private, well, little Joey and Sally ripped that bubbler off that wall, the town of Brookfield's responsible for it. You know, that's, you're insane to do that. The best thing is to turn it over as soon as you can to the Red Cross. And now that's their problem. 72 hours is what they say. Expect no help for 72 hours. You're on your own. Right. So the question was asked about something about the shelter and I think we went off track. But you know, it's my goal is to open it, turn it over. Because little Sally and Joey want to bring their dog because it's a comfort dog. We as the town, we don't have the resources to do that. But once it gets turned over to the Red Cross, they do and they accept that without a problem. So, by that sign and sheet. What we're gonna do for the next meeting and invite some people, let's get some more people to the senior center next month and I'll ask Lou to put it on from page form again. Once we can put a couple of shelter managers in charge, I'm gonna step away. They're gonna start doing this. Obviously I'm gonna be involved but I'm not gonna be the person in charge that the shelter managers will. And we'll build a system that will work. And it's going to be probably by text or by email or whatever. And it will be, we'll know in most cases something is going to happen. So today's Thursday. There's a ice storm moving in supposedly for Saturday. Well, guess what? Tomorrow I'm gonna be on the phone with you guys and say, hey, look, we're thinking about it. Can you do it? Great, great, great, great. You can't. Perfect. And then we're gonna get into the later part of the day. Hey, it looks pretty promising. We're gonna need to do something. Saturday morning, storms rolling in. We're gonna make a decision. And by what's happening through the radars and through the other towns, we'll know we're gonna do it. And having people scheduled for two hours, four hours, eight hours, or I got nothing to happen and I can be there until it closes. Whatever you wanna do, but we've gotta have a couple of people committed to be in that shelter. And again, with the ambulance service, having them staged up this way, or at BTC is a great help. Having some people in that know CPR and whatnot. Not that we're anticipating any problems, but you gotta expect it to happen and pray it does. Do we have, as a series of towns, responsibility in any way for the interstate? I mean, I'm assuming you might have a close down for a long period of time on the interstate, for example. I think the state dictates that. Do you know anything about that? The state dictates if the interstate's gonna close down. Do you know anything? Oh! Who is for stranded? Oh! Yeah, how do they say where to come? Yeah, like, are they welcome into the shelter? My view is, I don't care if you're from Connecticut in your stock, come on in. Yeah, that's what I'm asking. Yeah, I mean, if you're from Massachusetts, maybe, yeah. Yeah, I really gotta think about it for a minute. But if you're from my town in Massachusetts, you're definitely welcome. But yeah, it's, it's, it'd probably be, you know, a little winging at that point. You know, how do we get those people off the interstate? Well, I, you know, I don't have a snow machine, but you do, that person does, go get them. Any more questions? That someone else like you be notifying right across, we're opening. Yes. Okay, so. I mean, materials, materials, or. Right, okay, so, let me, we got 10 minutes. Nine minutes, until we're out of time. So a storm is rolling in. The state EOC opens. EMDs throughout the, throughout the state are alerted that the EOC is opening for the state. EMD, emergency manager, director, is supposed to start watching that, that incident. That EMD is to alert their resources and say to the shelter, say to their, their coordinator. Hey, this is what's happening. I don't know if you've caught it. You know, we might activate. Then the, the storm starts rolling in and I activated the EOC for this town during the flood. And it was a short amount of time. And I notified Kevin that I'm out there, Tim that I'm out there, send an email out to the, the, the town saying, we're, I'm up and running tailgate because I'm in Randolph, the incident's here, phone service socks, so I'm working off my tailgate. I loaded everything in my truck and we're off, off to go. I have a remote office downtown Randolph. I let the, the state know that watch commander, what I was doing. So I was always in contact with somebody letting them know what was happening. And, you know, Randolph opened our shelter because theirs was at the fire department. They opened up our, our location. So I was like, great, that was my next step is to put email on alert that we might open something. So it's just all, it's all communication and talking with people. If we have a shelter manager, that person will be notified. And that person's job is now to notify everybody else and say, tentative schedule. What can you do if we open? And then as we go higher, you know, I might sit there and say, I don't think we need a shelter yet, but let everyone know. Kevin might call me and say, hey, Rich, get your hat out of your tush, open a shelter. You got a Kevin. Then I call the shelter manager or opening a shelter or the select board member might say, get it open. So everything goes through a chain of command and everybody will know what's happening. We'll be delivered in seven, within 72 hours. Water for this location. I believe the OSSD is gonna handle. I need to clarify that. Not out of the town. It could, it could, it could be sooner. What I would like to do is, I wanna go forth to the town and see if once we get the shelter manager and get this built is to get some supplies on hand. All right. What's that? That's what we need to figure out. So I have a location in Randolph that it can be left in my office. An office I don't pay for is given to me by the building owner. He lets me have that room because it's an unsalable room. So it's my room. So I can put water and all that, but somebody's gotta lug it. So we need to find a reasonable way of storing it. Maybe the town barn could house some water. Right. But we do need to figure that out and that's gonna be a collective. I think that's gonna be the shelter manager and the volunteers. We're gonna be working on this. So I'm out of time. It is next meeting. September 28th, 630, Randolph Senior Center. And everybody's welcome. I don't care what town we all are gonna be work. When things go bad, we're all gonna be one. And I don't care if you're the EMD of the next town over, we all need to work together. We all are in this together. We all feed off of each other. We all live together. We're one community. Right. Power outages are a huge problem in the winter. During the summer, it's difficult. Flooding is a huge problem. It all depends on that storm and the which way it's coming, which waterway that it flows down, which culverts get wiped out. You know, there's some storms that come in, we get a ton of rain, nothing happens. There's other storms that it's running off the right mountain, a right hill area that we can get decimated. So it's all about what's happening at that moment. In emergency management, you plan for a hurricane, okay? We're ready for this hurricane. We're ready for the hurricane. A tornado comes in. We didn't plan for that, but you know what? We've got a plan. Let's take the hurricane information and work with it around it to deal with the tornado. It never works out the way that you think it's gonna work out. You gotta be flexible, you gotta be like, okay, this is happening, let's run this way. And everybody communicating with everybody. That could be a shelter's situation, you know, that wouldn't be in a school. That would be a Red Cross response to those things. I'm sure they do. You know, it's about the community as well. You know, the community can step up and say, geez, the Smith family got wiped out, they're home. I got a couple extra rooms, but let me see if I can't help them. But it's where we all try to work together. And the more people that we have, even if we never activate a shelter, the more people that we have in a network that are working towards bettering our community is so much better. You know, so you're not mucking out your basement all by yourself. Yeah, you did, and it was just, it was crazy. Just to see that stuff coming out of your home. Yeah, all right. Thank you, thank you.