 Yes, today in history, of course, the death of Chief Bola Ige. This happened many, many years ago. And, of course, the Nigerian government is still being urged to, you know, uncover his killers, so that justice may be served. But this morning, our first major conversation, we're moving to Maguro phase two, where there was some controversy or there has been in the last few days after, you know, hoodlums according to the residents in the area. You know, numbering, you know, dozens or maybe even hundreds stormed the place with a bulldozer attempting to seemingly demolish some buildings that had been marked for demolition over there. We, of course, speak in this morning with Barisa Tunji Abdul Hamid, who is a resident of Maguro phase two, to give us, of course, more updates on what exactly has been going on over there. Good morning, Barista Abdul Hamid. Thanks for joining us. Good morning, Barista Abdul Hamid. Thank you. All right. So quickly share with us, you know, just a refresher on what exactly is going on in Maguro phase two. You know, where is this coming from and what exactly has happened in the last 48 hours? Yeah, thank you for the opportunity once again. I can tell you, even though we still have the police we go from Abuja, here in our estate, over a hundred of them, that we're searching for signal from the IGP according to them, but the station is down because we were with the State Department sent a delegation to Russia today, we met with them, we also met with the police from the Abuja. Abuja police, and then they also met with the family, and then it was assumed that everything was suspended, and the government was looking to it, and the government is already on top of it. As I'm talking to you today, I'm not sure there's any tension around because we're at the house, but as I said, I left, there was no tension, but I am away, and the police are still within our premises in Maguro, and that's just the situation on the ground now. Let me give you the genesis of what happened, or let me start from two days ago, because it started the day before yesterday, we saw numbers of armed policemen, mobile and ordinary policemen, in within our gates, and I was driving into the estate at that time, and I had to go back to the estate, I stopped back to find out what had happened here, and they said they are there to enforce judgment of the cause. I said which judgment? They said I should go and see the police and whatever. Where are the police? I couldn't see any. What I saw were hundreds of people that looked like dogs, or hoodlums, Parisians themselves, where is the order? No one could give me anything. The death I could see was a public notice issued by the family. That is the only thing I can see in my hand, and they even flashed it at me, not that they gave it to me. So when that happened, I said if there is a case, if they are not going to give up anything, I would direct that against the law, and the police officer would let them say, if you do that, I will shut you down. And then, so, they are after extension down down, because at that time, I was only passing there. They are after about five or six people killed us, and they would be decontaminated at that level. So they started marking the houses in the estate, and they said they were asking this on the Supreme Court judgments between the legal government and the Adegra family, and the one order from the Sanguita Land Order Association. So that is the genesis in that regard. We are not aware that they didn't judge them to court order. We can find them to command a good engenderment in our estate. And today, they've not shown any documents that I've fed, they didn't court order. That is exactly what they would be, what happened in OECD. So in order to protect ourselves, when we realized that they were still within our premises and they would not go, they were still marking up the C-striple floor. We called a meeting of the residents, and then it was at three. So we stayed at our gate. And that day we stayed up to QAM or 3AM. I stayed, I was there at 3AM. And then we said we should get back at C-striple floor, and that nobody would be allowed to go up or come into the estate. Because we are afraid, because at that level of the floor, they brought a Buddha up in front of our estate. It was stationed in front of the estate. So we later arranged a floor for a level of the floor to pressure them to remove the Buddha. And they were taken to the other gate of Magado. We have to get, we have to send them to the gate, and we have to take them back to the C-striple gate. And then they were there. So we came up in our number, yesterday, and we were able to create what we called, we were able to show the world what is happening in our estate. And they were able to get the government to come to our rescue in Dalida. Because there is no judgment against anybody in Magado. There is nothing to be afraid of against anybody in Magado. And I'm not aware of any of that. Okay. So can you also tell us what is the fate of residents right now at Magado phase 2? What are they doing? Have people been displaced? What is really going on? Have they been restricted from having access to their homes and other spaces? No, that has not happened. Nobody has been displaced because there is nothing to distaste them. They are going to cause for alarm, regardless of the quality of property in Magado. They are going to cause for alarm for anybody, because people have plenty of room that they cut off or that they drink over the land from the people in Magado. If everybody in Magado today who wants property, or friends and property, they are going to live from the government. They are going to live from the government. And they are going to live from the government. And the property has not been removed by the government. And they are not aware that that same land is going to be allocated to anybody. So after some time, the girls who own Magado today are not caused to fear because there is no judgment, or there is no, we say, the property should be destroyed and on the property to anybody. Whether it can be done under the administration, whether it can be done by the family, or any other person, even the government, as long as you form the tattoo, the tattoo given to them, so I want to eliminate the fear of everybody. So of course for a long time, they are going to live from the government in Magado because people have been telling people that they bought a fake property. Alright, best. Abdul Hamid, just hold on and stay with us. We have a quick report that was done on this situation and we'll share that with our viewers and then we'll get back to you. So just stay with us. This is the only place, the only... The only place. But like I said, the residence is not there. You are here. Why the charm and beauty? Good morning, Nershidets. Good morning. Good morning again. This is our... This is our... My name is... My name is Princess Bala Le Bada. We know you. We know you. The only princess I say is the mayor. The mayor has to be positional. Well, I actually want to appeal to all the residents here in Magodu that indeed the state government I have been saying by the state governor himself that is suddenly behind the resident in Magodu that what happened yesterday night is that he has never been informed and that what they did is just because he had a supreme court. Yes, that could happen but they have to gather state governments to inform and he has promised that he's going to sort the whole thing out and that we should go all about our journey and that there's a statement that's going to be issued out in some hours but they have to generalize itself to, you know, to come the whole resident and to assure them that this is legal state and that it's capable... The Amabu governor is a leading governor and that it's capable of taking care of whatever and whatever happened in the state and this is not going to happen again and he promised that all the things that happened yesterday we apologize on behalf of the state government we never did anything wrong because we came quickly to intervene into the matter and the millery that I got informed was the millery then it was when I intervened and the whole thing were, you know, calm and still we still want to apologize because a lot of people my time is the appointment medically, wherever so I want to apologize again but I'm very sorry I will continue to, you know monitor wherever it's going to happen they will not come in they don't take anything, any property here in Magudu Thank you, thank you Thank you Walter, you have it Barista, Tunji, Abdul Hamid can you still hear us? Alright, so quickly share with us you know, from that video clip what the state government is saying and how much assurance the people of Magudu face to currently have I'm asking, can you quickly share with us you know, what you've heard from the state government and the assurance that the people of Magudu face to currently have No, apart from that what you call by the mayorate that is the it's a personal because the government would deliver the government let's say that they are in the arsenal delegation also came from the government led by the by the commissioner for physical planning and the other members of the the land group etc. etc. they were there the PS was there and some other people were there we met with them and they gave us an assurance that that meeting is in order they would be allowed to engage the family and to find a lasting solution to the program they also agreed they open met with the family and they asked to to find a date when the meeting will be held Can you share with us I'm not sure if you know well enough but can you share with us exactly who these persons are the ones who came with the bulldozer to try to enforce that court ruling that they claim they have who exactly are they and why do they claim ownership of the land and actually they learned that sometimes in 1980 oh not in 1988 sorry that was when the people was right in 1980 they sometimes before now my brother was a place that explained land and the government acquired land and then there after some people moved them to be the owner of the property and there was an issue regarding the what's it called the acquisition they went to cause to challenge the government on that and the government did not attend the court but later on it was done there was an agreement and everything was resolved and that solution was led to the judgment unfortunately the way the judgment was structured was not in the paper of the family because it was not properly drafted which was a vigorous and has no direct leave to the property being talked about the agreement was that which later became judgment was that the government should give them power and potentials in Tangisha where that place would be it was not identified whether I should be in this place or that place and those progress was ascending those progress was ascending the document that was the judgment that was the cause of the matter the government never give them any sort of land and then they were not able to get anything from the government and then after they obtained a lease of possession which means they want to explain the judgment then we became aware of that if I explain what the case was where you had the cause I don't know if you can understand what was that part of it we now we became aware of it now went to cause to challenge the lease of possession on the time that we were not part of it on the time that the the government cannot be imposed against us because there is no explanation after the government imposed the government imposed what I do with us it has time the lease of possession and then when they are not happy about it they are feeling against it and the matter is currently on appeal the matter comes out in February 22nd so I wonder why they are now coming I think they want to impose judgment I don't know where they go to judgment they want to impose what the matter is seeing in cause I if I to wait for them to know even the family they are too part because they are too part the fact that they are part of the family they are part of the family they leave a sentence but at least they have time to go back to and they call it they are saying that what the other part is illegal and they are not part of it that is what the decision is now so what would be you know the case with some of the buildings that have been marked because I mean looking at the video now you see that some structures have been marked for demolition should we would there still be a demolition of these structures it was not marked it was not marked by any other cause it was marked illegally anybody can we can it is a mistreatment because it was marked without any authority you can see that we don't cause the particulars of the reconstruction were not stated in that in the undercutting after that because I said the portion of property that they did they don't displace they don't displace the property owned by people people can do that and clean it up that is not their only concept because there is no order of course so at these points can you also tell us if you still have the presence of the men of the Nigerian police can you tell us if you still have the presence of the men of the Nigerian please you know in the estate actually they actually run they are still within our family they are they are They say they are working for them. So these are the same police officers who came, you know, 48 hours ago? What is that? These are the same police officers that came 48 hours ago with the plans to demolish. Yes, yes, they came from Abu Dhabi. They came from Abu Dhabi or the other YGP. They are not from the Dhabi command or whatever. They are from Abu Dhabi and they are by order of IRGP. I mean, so isn't that still a... Isn't that still a problem if they still are in their state? And is the boulders are still around Magudu? They are not aware that the boulders are still there. They have not been to that state this morning. Okay. I'm not sure they can do that again. What they are doing now, even if they want what they did two days ago, they are taking loans to their hands. And it's not good. Unfortunately, they have been barred by the police. They can't tell me what to order. Yeah, and that's what I was asking. Isn't that still a problem if we have police officers who claim to have come from Abu Dhabi to enforce a court order and they still have refused to leave the estate even after, you know, contrary orders have been given? Isn't that a problem and is that worrisome for residents? No, it may be worrisome. They are not disturbing anybody. They are not harassing anybody. They are not making anybody. They are just there in their own domain. There's nobody being harassed, nobody being there threatening. Nobody power lines, nobody. So I don't see why. It should be a court order. Because we want to be worried as to what are they waiting for? But they are not power lines, they are not there. Okay, you know, Ford, you have actually mentioned the fact that the properties were not illegally gotten. We're hoping that we're able to, you know, speak and identify those on the other hand who would also be talking about the court order. Because, I mean, it's a little bit not so clear who these persons are, you say, the factions. You have a family with different factions. The family of Tangita, it's where it's fully involved. It's one of the parties. Okay, so as a legal practitioner now, can you please take us through, you know, the process? What would it require if one is to get, acquire property or to get, you know, maybe a landed property or a house? What are the procedures? What should one do to avoid all of this kind of confusion? I engage a lawyer, do, do, do this again. Wait, don't, don't, don't come to the studio about money. They are not allowed to do good job for them. They are not allowed to do good job for them. They are not allowed to do good job for them. Sometimes you can do business and then the property will be good. You see that the money has to wait. It is good to prepare, that they don't care. So what you need to do to engage a lawyer, let the lawyer do proper touch and then they will be able to access the property. Because you cannot, there's not a single book of houses to tell me whether the property is clean or not. It depends on what the property is and depends on the documents available. Yeah, but Satsunji, Magodo phase two is a pretty large area. Doesn't make, it doesn't seem realistic, you know, that persons can come with one bulldozer and decide to break down all the houses in Magodo phase two. So did this seem like it was some level of intimidation to chase residents out of Magodo phase two and not necessarily with plans to demolish the whole area? Yeah, if one of these, and you know in Angina, once they are able to knock down one or two buildings, they are embedded and they will be able to do more. That's what they are trying to do. Okay, will more legal actions be taken? Absolutely, absolutely, that is what you consider. Okay, before we go, I just want to, you know, give some clarity on why exactly they have chosen Magodo phase two because like you said, the judgment, you know, acts that they be given a 149 plots of land with no specific areas mentioned. So is there any insight as to why they chose Magodo phase two as where they want? The same kind of land that I was taking away from them. I think they were taking away from them. They caught up to the number of plots from there. They were the intent to eat. That's what they are thinking. All right, Barasatunji Abdul Hamid, thank you very much once again for joining us and for sharing your thoughts with us. We look forward to speaking with you again and if there's other developments on this issue. Thank you for having me, thank you for having me. Thank you for having me. And this, you know, honestly just tells a lot about the controversy concerning who controls the police because it should still be a concern for residents in Magodo, seeing the same police officers who came, who supposedly came from Abuja to enforce a court order, still being in Magodo phase two instead of going back to where they're coming from, you know, since that's not going to be happening anymore. And of course, seeing that the state governor cannot, you know, ask that they leave because he doesn't necessarily control the police. And from what Mr. Abdul Hamid has said, they're waiting for orders from above, from the IGP. And so it definitely means that up until, you know, they get the signal from the Inspector General of Police or from above, they will still be there until whenever. But I'm just wondering, you know, the part, because it feels like a power play right now. I really do not understand the fact that we have this serious might because if you look at it, it's a might that we're seeing presence of government. The fact that you have to have police officers coming all the way from Abuja, you know, to Lagos are not necessary because he's mentioned that they're not from the Lagos command. And so I am just still trying to understand who and who is involved and who is behind, you know, all of this necessary. For me, what this really says to me is, you know, that there is, like you mentioned, is power play. You know, but if you have the right connections in Nigeria, you can get, you know, some level of enforcement from some office, someplace in Abuja, and it will be carried out. Because every now and then you hear of people that, you know, were arrested by IGP's special response team and things like that. And you start to wonder, you know, why didn't the police officers in the state where the person was arrested take action? You know, why, you know, are police officers leaving a different state to pick somebody up and then fly to Abuja for a case that didn't necessarily happen in Abuja? And also, you know, like I mentioned, you know, the fact that you can, you know, if you have some level of influence or power, you can, you know, get enforcement from the Inspector General's office. And this doesn't even look good for the Inspector General of Police and his office. And, you know, these are some of the things that should be corrected immediately because it doesn't make any sense why they are still there if there's not going to be any enforcement of any court order. And what exactly, which court order, which court documents were shown to the IGP, you know, before he then released police officers to go to Magoda phase two to enforce, you know, a demolition. Anna, we're talking about something that happened 38 years ago. So my point is I'd like to come to the human part of it. So the big question is you send police officers, you send bulldozers and tractors and what have you to go destroy houses? Where are they going to move? I mean, let's even assume that, let's assume that, you know, the court order is anything to go by or the court order exists because you also hear the representative or spokesperson from the governor saying that they're not aware of any court order and they were not informed and what have you. So my point now would be, even if there was a court order, how do you move with that speed and go boo those houses of people without any prior notice and information and what is the plan for compensation? Because that's a long time. People have actually invested monies. People have put out monies. These are not just baby structures. These are superstructures of taking years, properties, life and livelihood of peasants. And so how do you expect them? Where would that be rehabilitated? What is the compensation plan? Whatever the case may be. Whatever the case is. I'm thinking that there's something that would have to be sorted out on the table. Before you move, it's going to be a lot of confusion. Not especially at this part, you know, because yesterday when we saw that video or the story broke out and all that's been unfolding, it caused a lot of concern at the time where people should be having a merry Christmas. You're already getting worried whether your house is going to be destroyed and where you are going to move. It's a lot of stress already. And I'm just hoping that the state government, as they have spoken, would step into the issue and ensure that whatever it is, it's sorted out. And that people are not displaced from their homes. Whatever the case may be. Well, in case of demolition, I agree with the idea of compensation. It may not necessarily apply to certain persons. And remember when I think it was Mark O'Call, some of those areas were demolished because those people needed to be resettled. We had those arguments on television and on radio back then about how unfair it was to treat those people like that. So it might apply different for the people of Magudu Facetude because they are on a higher level. But yes, there should be some discussion about composition if there is any legality, you know, exactly with the demolition process itself. But I'm also going to mention that I like the fact that the Magudu residents stood up for themselves and they didn't turn the other way because what their house was in marked yet and because it hasn't come to affect them. Because eventually it will get to you. The court order doesn't necessarily say demolished. The court order says, according to these persons, the court order says you should take control of the property or the land that is supposedly rightfully yours. But they want to demolish and chase people out of it. But it's a developing story and I'm sure that we'll continue to follow up. The legacy government luckily has also stepped in and we would see if we can also bring up those conversations with representatives of the legacy government and maybe also speak with these demolishers and the person driving the bulldozer, if we can. And see here what he, if he has his own side of the story. We'll take a short break. When we come back, we're looking at Nigeria's economy. 17.126 trillion Naira budget for 2022 and what this means, what prospect it has for the next year. We'll be back.