 The Astros are still in a scandal the Psy Young and MVP award winners were announced and we will talk about them What's going on everybody welcome back to talking baseball. It's a podcast. We talk about baseball major league baseball sometimes Jake tries to talk about other sports and we stab him in the throat with our words My name is John boy. I'm coming to you from Harlem New York and I have my co-host Jake the four mentioned dude who we stab sometimes coming to you from Denver wearing his Breckenridge, Colorado pocket patch Salmon colored shirt that I am a big fan of how you doing Jake? Good color on me pinks and purples. They show well on my skin tone a woman at the Atlanta Airport said once I'm good man Mentioned Breckenridge. I think we're gonna get our first ski in this weekend excited for that and Yeah, I mean how bow I appreciate you said baseball in the news cycle That's something I like good news or bad news and a couple other people did say that But yeah, shout out to football for trying to trying to get into things by the player trying to rip a human's head off and then beat him With the thing that was protected here. Here we are talking football once again. I Knew you'd like that But I'm good man. Yeah, we've actually we've got a little bit of player movement It kind of it's it's been under the radar with Everything that's going on with the asterisks lmao. Have you heard that one Jim? I have someone emailed me and said am I the first to do this? I It's so tough because you and I are like inundated with to a blind degree with it But it's now anytime anyone hits a table or there's a video of someone drumming or even the football thing last night Someone's like oh must be a change up and it's like that joke was cool for 24 to 48 hours I think we got to start getting better material out there. Oh, yeah, I mean people have already but that's what people do They can't think of new jokes, so they just hammer the jokes. They've heard and I I think I do want to give a quick An apology to Astros fans before we say probably more bad stuff about them coming up in a minute Dude, it's got to be bad for the diehard baseball fans that are Astro fans because there's no Defending what's currently going on so the people that are defending on it are The breezy Astro fans that just want to talk trash on the internet and they're making them look awful right now Oh Yeah, the casual fans are always the ones that make your fan base look bad because they have nothing at stake So they just talk out to your butt. Oh Oh, we oh, we don't yes. Oh integrity of the game We don't care about that because we got a banner. Well, you don't like the sport I got news for you. You don't enjoy the sport of baseball and that's what I like What's going on in Harlem Jim are you in Spanish Harlem, can I start saying that I don't believe I am I think that's got to be Southern Harlem, I love Maria Maria one of my favorite songs ever Yeah, well, I like that song by Ellen John where it talks about Spanish Harlem Would you look at this no Heads that like Spanish Harlem never been Spanish Harlem is on the East side dude that that Ellen John song is like This is fantastic Meatball down my pants make me think one of my testicles fell out. Well Mona Lisa's and Mad Hatter's It's a good song good song like Ellen John. Oh, yeah similar personalities me and him Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Yeah. Yeah What do you want to talk about? I'm going on Houston rate to Houston radio shows today. Oh Man, yeah, you think they're gonna come at your neck. Well one emailed me dude I have a lot of everyone wants to talk to me and it's like But uh I'm trying to find the email they they asked if I could come on and I said hey Houston kind of hates me right now Are you trying to railroad me? Is this a trap? That's an either way. I'll come on Just with like a little heads up if I need to have my shield up or not It's gonna be friendly What what you were saying and and a lot of people just aren't looking at all the evidence or not evidence Accusations and I'll give Houston fans that it's just accusations a lot of people like when I was looking like they don't understand What I'm doing. I'll say that someone blew up with Astros Twitter They don't understand what I'm doing People are saying things players and coaches and this is a little update and then later on in the show We're gonna talk about Cy Young winners some movement and MVP but People keep coming out and saying things like I told you personally about the eyeline thing I heard and the bullpen catcher and the bullpen that came out publicly So then I went and tried to find something I didn't really find anything because it's gonna be impossible to find but I just posted that springer video I was like, ah, this is he's kind of looking off to the right, but we're not gonna find any evidence here I literally said that in the tweet like there's no damning evidence from this and then the whistling You can hear whistles, but honestly, I don't know if it's just a Houston thing or if it's every stadium I've only tried one if you listen for whistling. It's almost like holy shit. Why are so many people whistling? Yeah Yeah, and that's that It's kind of in a tough spot right now because and I don't want to give this as too much of a compliment to you or too much of an Insult to other people but like I don't know I saw there's a video on my feed today That was like a guy that got a video. He's like, I don't know this is something but check it out And like those people kind aren't helping right now Like if you just grabbed the video and like the video was springer striking out on a slider But there was like some clapping beforehand and it's like, hey, we don't need this one We've got other data this one's cool for now Yeah, and I think that's the only Again, I hate going to bat for you But I thought it was funny the couple comments that have been like all right, dude Like let it go like kind of no, this is not only the biggest story in baseball. This is the biggest story in sports right now and Yeah, like it's kind of cool for everything we've got going on but also a It's it's a big deal and the only people that are saying it's not our Houston fans and probably bad Houston fans So it's tough Yeah, I had a lot of there's a lot of Houston fans that are in a position They're like this sucks, but I'm gonna wait and I appreciate that like I'm gonna wait until yeah It's 100% or not because this sucks if it's true. It looks bad. I hope that it's not But someone's like you're putting your integrity on the line like me like I'm going out and fishing for these players are saying Accusations and I'm just trying to find video to back that up and sometimes I haven't been able to and sometimes the banging is Very very easy to Yeah, and I mean like people people within the sport are contacting you like it's not Yeah, I don't know like it at first it was Sounds like the JFK shooting is like John Boyd operated alone now. It's like this is a very real thing people And the other thing and we'll move on. I promise is that Actually, I forget what I was gonna say All right, nice Fuck strong clothes. Damn. That's how you win the room over Like oh, he's where are you here's one thing that we haven't talked about that I don't think baseball has fully talked about yet and again it we're kind of in a tough spot because among some of the Discovery stuff, of course, there's a couple opportunities to take a couple jabs at houston and I mean it's sports you might as well, you know hit them in the belly a couple times see what happens, but Uh, do we how far deep do you think this goes with like core and Beltran? Because I mean it seems like they're the originators and now They managed two of the bigger teams in the sports one of them that won the world series the year before Yeah, so I mean What I can tell you is that I it's been reported and I've been told that Kora was very much put this in place or was one of the people that helped put this in place With the bullpen catcher at the end of the year And he brought the bullpen the bullpen guy to boston with him So I don't know I think it's systematic and that's the problem That's the root of it that it was like it was a system put in place and then That if true if that we don't have any evidence of this just a couple here say if the earpiece thing is true Right that the bullpen catcher or a coach was wearing an earpiece That means that they heard the banging that getting faded out by the crowd and thought we need another solution And then like you know what he means so that means this was like an operation Yeah, and and we don't know if that's true or not yet, but if it is that's bad Yeah, it's uh, it's crazy. It's gonna be fun to see what other details leak out on this Yeah All right, are we smirking like that? Well, nothing no reason. You just look like thomas the train engine right now One of my my first college halloween costume thomas the tank engine Yeah, you look good in it I look great. I didn't look great Yeah, actually actually. Yeah, those pictures are actually kind of hard to look at Yeah, I got some tough acne Um some water weight on at the time I did change I traded the thomas the tank engine outfit for a girl that was wearing a sexy referee outfit Are you dead? Yeah, there's one pic of that out there. Nice. Nice. Nice. Nice for the holidays Sure. Are we going to a break or are we going straight into everything else? I think we go break and then awards Stay tuned. We'll be right back with awards All right, we have awards coming up and let me tell you here and now I did not know who won what until I sat down at my desk this morning been so inundated With all this nonsense and going on interviews and tv stations one tv station interviewed me jake And then they just posted the interview as a tweet thread I was like, we need to weed out what shows I go on I had to talk we got to like do some searching with bill like They said it was a they said it was a tv interview and I just posted the videos on twitter the fuck's that about So wasted my time another interview. I did in canada They just didn't air it because the impeachment trials ran long or something like that. It's like god damn it Can't trust those canadians man. I'm not making any breakdowns because I'm taking all these interviews. So anyway So I didn't know who won. Do you want to do sigh young first because that's kind of what I looked at the notes you put in the she and I was like, holy shit Yeah, and Chronologically we are a cron pod. We've always been a cron pod and the true ones know that The the sigh young came out on Wednesday Um, and let's I guess let's check the easy buck easy box first in the national league jacob de grom One back to back nl sigh young for your new york metropolitans They've got a couple nle's trophies to hold on it. They just need to get that ring now Um, some of that's not true, but good for de grom. He's a stud and um I don't know. Is he kind of like underrated in baseball? No, I don't think so. He just he just has the met's effect where people are like, oh and de grom Yeah, that's true. Um, because it was I don't know. I guess it's just funny because all of the end of 2018 was people rapidly defending de grom or keith oberman being a human idiot um And they were they were saying like he's got he's got the best Don't look at the wins people and most of baseball was like, we're not we're not We'll look at the the ra and the other stuff like we got we got it They're all over it. Um So it's kind of funny that there was like that full defense of him and then like we talked about last podcast like I don't know. You just looked at the number at the end of the year and I don't know We always expect re you would step up and finish strong or maybe scherzer was coming up and he got heard and it was like Well, here's de groms here again. Let's do it. It's de groms It's de groms to win. Yeah, it's funny that we thought there might be a shot And then we looked at it like last episode. I don't know. That's the groms. So good for the baseball writers Oh, let me go into the voting Oh, I forgot. I love going into the individual I didn't I didn't hear any crazy side young votes. I did there is one Silly national league MVP vote that I doubt you've heard of so I'm excited to share that coming up in a little bit Um, no, yahu sports mlb was suspended. That's where they were posted who voted for who Tough Tough break Okay, jake. Can we talk about the I'll I'll dig into the votes and then we'll talk about I'll let you find your votes on your voting websites jim in the al Justin verlander One of the great pitchers of this decade and the second best pitcher on his team this year One the american league sigh young Yeah, this kind of shocked us. We both thought it should definitely be Cole And i'm trying to look at the stats and figure out why it's not Cole, you know Yeah, that's a good question That's a really good like what did these voters see besides maybe verlander's been around longer verlander's been nicer to them I hope that didn't come into play. Obviously it comes into play. You'd be naive to think it doesn't All right, so here's what I got. I'm gonna make the case I'm gonna act as a voter voting for verlander and I'm gonna make the case for verlander Oh, this is this is fun. This is like high school debate This is debate team in high school. They put us on two sides and like cats and dogs debate and they put me on the cat side And I was like i'm out Yeah, you just lost a participant. They're like no, it's uh, they're like no jimmy It's like this is what this is what we're learning how to debate something you don't believe in and I said that sounds Very wrong and dumb Why would you teach kids to do that? Yeah, you want me to just lie For the point of flying like this is a real class in high school. I was very I was very upset by Teacher kind of was like, um Well, that's what debate is and I was like that's stupid Yeah, it is. Anyway, I'm gonna do it verlander Okay, jake, he's older. See you could have used that right now. He comes with more wisdom Teacher was right. No, he's older and he comes with more wisdom point one. Okay. Okay one point He won one more game Then garret call huge 21 wins Um, he played in in one more game than garret call So now we have the scales 11 10.2 more innings Yes more innings Lower whip he had two more complete games and he had a complete game shut out and a no hitter I wonder how much that plays a He gave up less hits and less walks And higher war jim. He's a war guy Is this box he had no box Oh Garrett call it three box. That's huge Huge And lower whip you covered that Lower home run to nine really We gave up Seven more he gave up seven more. Oh hits per nine hits per nine hits per nine higher home run per nine and more No less strikeouts So that's what they I mean that's I guess was enough It's pretty close. It's closer than I originally thought but It's very close. I mean col has the e r a by 0.08 which again, I mean that's super tight and e r a is e r a is e r a um It the the bigger things for col is like, I mean he didn't lose Like all all summer. I saw I think it was mike will bond Uh, someone that's not a pure baseball guy, but a good sports person and he was like Hey, it's the sport of the summer and garrick coal didn't lose Um, he he rode that windless streak uh from the start end of april or end of may whatever it was Um, I don't know. You're you're right. I mean when you just look at the numbers on paper I mean it is very tight and jesson verlander's very good, but I don't know col was just dominant and I think like If you took a poll on the astros they'd say col and if you took a If if you took a poll around the league like if you were a batter, who would you who would you least want to face? I think it's easily col This year for this year I agree. I mean col was the dude. He he had a windless or he didn't lose a game for like the second half of the season Yeah, it's like 16 in a row Yeah, I get the numbers mixed up in my head now because it carried into the playoffs and they started doing that thing but Yeah, man. I I don't know. I think When when we look back at when we look back at this in a decade like you'll say like Yeah, those stats are there and maybe the verlander. No hitter is a thing in this which seems kind of ridiculous um because the the stats are Pretty similar face level, but uh, I don't know if you were if you were if you were in it You know that it was garakul all day Okay, so I have a guy that we need to take his vote away from him Okay, okay, so you know you know my rule about this If you're not lose your vote for a year. Yeah, I don't know what the standards are if you're like in the 1% that didn't vote The same way as everyone else Right you lose your vote for a year Sure, it's called the dummy the dummy penalty Yeah So if you what should we say if you have a guy Like if you don't give a first a guy who gets a first place vote a top three vote or something You should lose your vote something around that. We'll learn it. We'll learn it, but it's it's definitely called the dummy suspension and mark wicker From the southern california news group. He gets a dummy suspension And I'll play the dummy suspension sound effect we have Thank you Well, it's pretty quiet. Could you hear it? It's really quiet. I did not hear it Gong you want gong, okay gong. Yeah, I just hit the t button. So I played his name. Did I say his name already? mark wicker he is the los angeles dodgers beat reporter And the only person to vote ryu as a first place Winner in the national league So we're going to the national league. That's what I have up Every single person voted to grom besides the la writer who wanted the la guy to get it dunce Dummy suspension Dunce dummy possession. Okay, so we're done with the ale. We're on to the nl We have our our dunce dummy suspension out um That's tough. That's tough, but we'll see you in two years that guy. Mm-hmm Do you see sunny gray got some votes? Yeah, sunny got a couple votes Uh So roker got a couple votes flarity strassburg Kirby yates like that's a tough one like the kirby yates person should lose their vote Who voted for kirby yates and where'd they put them? patrick corbin got a vote Who voted for you guys? Wait, what what the yates got a fourth place vote? from mark wicker the same dude No The same dude had yates fourth The re you won. Can you tweet it mark wicker? I think we hit the level. No, I have to I was with re you I was okay, but jen re you and yates He's you got the people need to know he got flirty third, which is fine Dude mark wicker, what's your deal? Who gave corbin a vote? Can you get that one quick? Yeah, I can because my eyes Are gotta be a dc guy, right? human detective work Corbin Do you know what spot what what place he got voted? I think it was like the minimum vote he could get it He got he got one point Do they vote for like six plays or they just vote top five? I don't have a vote. I don't think he got a top five vote Okay So I so we must have got like a sixth place vote. Why would they vote out like your sixth best person? You had one Yeah, and that's a a couple people reached out Uh, and they were asking like what what's the solution because we've With like the manager of the year, you know, we we saw terry francona got one random second place vote um I I don't know the best solution in my head is like let's do a primary and get it down to three candidates And then you can only pick those guys does that make sense or does my brain too simple? No, that makes sense to me Okay, cool primary Learn learn that one in the history classes. Yeah, it's good shit. So you said there's something funny in the al mvp But let's not move there yet. I want to look at the al It wasn't the al sayang you were talking about was my question No, there's there's one comical vote in the nl sayang and now i'm hoping it's that same guy or the nl mvp And i'm hoping it's that same guy, you know mark wicker Mark wicker dude yahoo sports had all these up so easily and now i can't find them I don't know what website has them if anyone in the chat knows what website has who voted for her. I can't find it It's very bothersome. All right, so in the end vote mvp. We're we're fine With verlander winning in the end. I thought I was going to be a little more disappointed It does suck that like verlander's already won one and garret coal like was the best picture in the al But somehow didn't win it Yeah, and I I guess and this this ties into the voting a little bit I kind of want to see al mvp votes because I feel like garret coal got al mvp votes Which I don't know that would be kind of ironic like if he if he has more al mvp votes than verlander Which I think he does but he didn't win the sayang. I don't know like you're right It's nothing to get to throw your arms up about but like I don't know if you were a part of this season it was coal Mark wicker I saw someone tweeting about him I'm sure he's getting some Not fun times wicker leaks Wicker leaks. All right, let's take a quick break and then we'll do the mvp