 items on the agenda as they come. They were allegedly gendered before a certificate of appropriateness hearing. And the first item up is 14 Myrtle Street, Sina. Sina. Proposed removal of existing chain link fence and replace old shed and new shed. Okay, the applicant. So when you raise your right hand, the testimony you're about to give in the matter under consideration is true and correct and pains and penalties are perjury. I don't know if I can remember all that. Just say I do. Yes, I do. Okay. You can just say I do. So this project, Karen, this is yours. Correct. So it was noted as a consent approval. It was put on our public hearing agenda, I guess, because we're submitting your comments. Yes, we received new moments of comments for this project. I'm not here to say that. No, you're not the name. Yeah, I agree. So I think this generally fits in our consent agenda. But do you have a chance to neighbors comments? I saw something. This is what it is. Yeah, it's just a short email. I guess with the chain, it sounded like the chain, the fence being the only indication of property boundary line. It was a request to add some kind of edging to the landscaping to indicate the property line. Yeah. So, I don't think we want to get into the property boundary stuff with this. Well, it sounds like nothing's happening within the cross property lines or within the setback. The fence is just being removed, which is a designant argument. Yeah. I mean, there's already a fence. Oh, that is, as she states, if it to be, I'm not sure what the distance is around this chain of pass to the neighbors property. The two fesses makes it possible to manage the space between terms. This is the open like that. There's a chain link fence and the wooden fence already is there. That's the six foot tall and some neighbors property. And then, as I understand it on the property line is the chain link. So, I'm addressing all of those companies and your work is really to the chain. Well, the new facts, the six foot tall seater, I'm not sure what the chair is that goes across the back of my property and across the back of the next or neighbors property so it's quite long. I'm only proposing to remove and I don't have the interest to the other people's chain. So I'm only proposing to the changing fence that is within my property area, right. Okay, it's a 33 line. I think the name is only a common big distance from chain link fence to whatever that. This is the new fence. This is the chain link fence. This is the new fence. I wanted to convey that the distance between the chain link fence and that new fence is not going. I have no issue with that. In any case, with it, in fact, I would prefer that it remain a towards where your hair down with no plant growth whatsoever. I'm not sure who would be responsible for being trained by that. If that is the problem. Yeah, general. Okay. So if plant growth appears there, which is extremely nice. I don't feel like I can control over what happened there. I can control this from my life to my house. We are only looking at a permit application. Right. We wouldn't say anything about property. You don't want to touch hers. We couldn't say one or the other. It's been questions for the DRV. We'll be here to speak on this application on zoom. I'm going to wait on this application. Raise your hands, please. Folks online. All right. Close the public hearing on this one. And since this was originally a consent agenda item, I was wondering if the board would allow the motion that we approve the application under ZP 23412. We're going to move existing chain link fence replacement. You should adopt staff's findings and conclusions. Thank you. All those in favor. You're welcome. Get down. We'll follow up to the side permit decision. Yeah, you'll see that in the next two weeks or so. Just because of all day. Right. Okay. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Okay. So the next item on our agenda is. CP 20. ZP 23. 331. 71 temple street. Habitat for humanity. Constructing duplex. Is the applicant here? I'm here on behalf of the applicant. David Mullen from Habitat online. David, is anyone else here? Your team. I'm not sure if they are. We had one or two other people that were going to be. Let me put it this way. If you're part of the African team, raise your hand and zoom. And I'll give you a link. Anybody who wants to speak on this application, raise your hand. Do you swear the testimony you're about to give is true and correct. And penalties of pleasure. All right. So where we want to start off. Why don't you walk us through the project? Well, this is. Sorry, Robin. This is. A duplex. On temple street. We've been working through the staff. The last few months to get to the point where. They were comfortable. Not comfortable with post office. So. Sorry. Sorry. Sorry. Sorry. Sorry. Sorry. Sorry. Sorry. Sorry. Sorry. Sorry. Sorry. Sorry. Sorry. Sorry. Sorry. Sorry. Sorry. Sorry. Sorry. Sorry. Sorry. Sorry. Sorry. Sorry. Sorry. Sorry. Sorry. Sorry. Sorry. Sorry. Sorry. Sorry. Sorry. Sorry. Sorry. Sorry. What's about the project? What's there now and what are your places? It's a hillside. There's nothing there at the moment at all. Some vegetation, a lot of vegetation, volunteer vegetation is not even planted by human beings. It's in the cul-de-sac. I don't know the site very well. And what do you plan to get trucked? Two places. Two, three different ones. It's a different design, but it would be similar to what's currently on Manhattan Drive at the moment. Okay. Did we see this site on clearing ones? This one? Yeah, this had a separate permit from the DRV for tree cutting. Any additional clearing on the site? Over at the bottom we'll get already proposed. What are already approved? There will be some. There will be some where it's a bit of a start to the foundation. It's very visited. So there will be some clearing. That's why I'm more asked for the geotechnical side. It's a slow kill-side. It runs basically from the west to the south. It moves away from the road. What is it? Is it the whole section? Just seems strange. It's the second entrance. I'm just curious why versus just having a side-by-side. Was it just to break up the path? It was. It's part of the design. You know, so I know looking at the design, parking basically had to be two different parking spaces. So it's 18 feet across. And then how deep is that? 18 feet. 18 by 18. Can we do the cessation? Okay. All right. It's just marked at 18. So 30, 36. I have a question that's from the board. Mr. Mullen, you have some folks here who want to speak on it. Do you, I don't know what else wants to talk. If anybody. My name is Dick Shasteen. I'm on the call also. And I'll be the project manager when we start building this. So if you have any questions, I could certainly try to answer them. No, I'm assuming nobody has any issues with the normal. The overall's been a lot of trouble. I've been asked to get involved in commentary about. Approving subject to a condition. That requires geo technical review. Yes, I understand. And Robin has been handling that very well for us. So he could certainly speak to that. You're comfortable. Anything else we should know from your side? I don't know if there's anyone else in the money. Who wants to speak on this. You've got a couple of folks online. Anyone want to weigh in, AJ? I assume. Okay. Is there anyone else online who wants to speak on this? You'd like to speak to this application, raise your hand please. I see one hand raised so far. I assume this is not the person's name, M311584. Let's find out who that is. All right, M311584. Can you hear me? We can. Please introduce yourself. Certainly. I'm John Suma. I am the owner of the unit just east downhill from the proposed building of the duplex at 3A Rockland Street. So we're at the corner of Temple and Rockland. Okay. You can see the garage that faces Temple where we park our car. That's in the diagram here. So I'm here to hear what you are proposing. I was at the meeting for the forest, the clearing, the tree clearing as well. So I had a couple of questions. Okay. One of your questions. Okay, so as I understand this, I got in a little late, I'm at work. I see the diagrams, the angle that you're proposing apparently is to conform with the landscape, the grade that is already existing. Is that the reason why you're angling it? A wave not straight towards Temple, but more like toward the corner rather, well, kind of facing closer toward us than Temple. That's correct. Okay. So as much as I'd love to have a great dialogue, it's very difficult for us to digest that. So what I ask you do is that you air your questions and the board will give the opportunity and the applicant to answer them. We may follow up. So go ahead and just go through your questions. And then once we've heard them, we can turn it back over to the applicant or we can follow up as well. Yeah. Well, my question is why, why face the property. It looks like to the southeast rather than these guests to the south. Sorry, to, yeah, to the south instead of the southeast, approximately here looking at the diagram, why that? And because, you know, all the other homes face to the streets, except the other duplex that was put in recently down at the other side of the corner there, Temple and Rockland. So is there, can it be changed? Is it really that much trouble? Because it's staring straight at us in our backyard. And we'd like that to be changed. I mean, and also the distance, as I can tell from the diagram, where in the lot you're placing it, is that farther back in the lot? It looks to me like it's closer to the north west side of the lot or it's not too close to Temple. Is that true? Can you tell me about that? Well, we got those two down. Okay. And, you know, we would prefer it, I guess. The main concern is, is the angling toward the street. We prefer that. I don't see why it can't be done that way. Right. All right. Okay, thank you. Okay, one other thing is concerned about the runoff. When I was here before, I was sure there wouldn't be runoff. Of course, then the rains came and right into our yard came all the brown mud runoff. And of course later you came out and put up some additional barrier plastic and so on. But, you know, now I don't know what you're proposing or when to do the dig or the construction. Is that for the spring or for the winter fall? Yeah. Okay. We'll make sure to have that address. Thank you. Yeah, I hope so. Thank you. So I'll follow up some specifics on that one. Can you talk about what stormwater your, your folks, stormwater management, right? Yes, well, you know, David would probably jump in on this, but we understand that you can increase their offers property to somebody else's property when you're doing your development. So we'll make sure that we comply with that. And also to address one of the other questions. We, we're not pinching the site to search the design, we're changing the design to set the site and it's placed that way at least impact on the site to reduce the slope of the driveway. So there's a lot of engineering thought went into this to make it work. So if you put the driveway straight up from the street, you have a slope difference. Yeah. Mr. Shastien, do you want to comment on the stormwater runoff management? Well, it's pretty well detailed in the proposed site plan that Tony Stout and Lakeside Environmental put together. I'm probably a little less familiar with this. I'm not sure Bill Gerlach's on this call or not, but I can speak to it a little bit. We're proposing to have catch basins to catch the rainwater and the runoff water. And then properly release that. So we'll control the runoff. And that manner. And it is detailed on Tony Stout's site plan. Yeah, those are those the dry wells that are in the driveway. That's exact. That's correct. And those discharge down the driveway back into the street. In a controlled fashion. This is Bill Gerlach. I'm listening in here and and I can tell you what the way that's going to work is the. The driveway will be paved and there'll be a curve along the edge of the driveway to keep water from running to the neighbors. And it will divert it down so that it goes into the storm catch basins. Which are actually designed to perk the water into the ground and then an overflow will go to the storm drain of the street. Okay. And as the orientation on the site, I mean, it seems like it's built. Built into the slope. Is that right? It is. And the actually the direction that is in is to minimize the amount of. Excavation required and the amount of concrete retaining walls needed on the side of the house. If we were to turn it. We'd lose. Basically the, and I'm going to say the left side as you're looking, if you were looking at the front of it, the left side would be very quite deeply into the bank. And then the right side would be basically out of the bank. This, this kind of makes it so that it can be a symmetrical house from side to side. Who else in the audience would like to speak on this application. Like to speak on this raise your hand please. We have a new somebody else hop on, but they're not raising their hand. Okay. There's a board of any more questions. Just want to get clear on one thing. You had mentioned. The need to reduce the amount of retaining walls that you have. It says in my notes that there's no retaining wall proposed. That falls in the foundation by that. I meant the retaining of the foundation. Yes. Okay. Okay. So some of those are things that are built into the foundation structure themselves. And I think that's a good thing. I think that's a good thing. Retaining all the site that buffers that story. Now I was getting clarity. I didn't appreciate any difference. So you're good. And you guys are good. And I proposed to it. Wait one second. When in your motion. Nobody is involved in the city engineers. Comments. We're not there yet. We're not home. That's a good thing. All right. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you, everybody. So that closes our public hearing agenda. And he had to approve our. Development review board meeting schedule. proposed. July 2nd, which usually isn't that bad. Do you have any concerns about our schedule? It says Tuesday, July 7th. Yeah, I know. Sometimes, yeah, I haven't always done that, because that's the one holiday that's not the best day. Hang on, because July 4th in Burlington is not July 4th in Burlington. Yeah, July 7th. I know I'm going to miss a couple for travel, that's life. Scott, do we need to wish you would do this? Yes. All right, I move that we approve our proposed 2024 regular meeting calendar. Seconded. All those in favor? Right, it's approved. Sorry for that. And that wraps up our public meeting for tonight. Thank you. Yeah, thank you.