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And what I'll do is I will just pop my details into the chat now so that you have them should anything happen and you're not able to get back into the session or you just want to have some follow-up questions after the session. I will be able to answer any follow-up questions you have on general kind of student experience, anything to do with the admissions process, so getting your place with us and any of the administrative parts, so do feel free to pop anything through to me on the email that I've just put into the chat and so now I'll hand over to the lovely Sean. Hi everyone, thanks very much for coming this morning. My name is Sean Hawthorne and I am the convener, which means I'm the administrator of the BA world philosophies at SAAS. What I'm going to do this morning is just kind of introduce you to the approach that we take to philosophy at SAAS, give you a sense of the structure of the programme, the other elements of the support system that you have at SAAS and then we'll have, as Kimberly says, plenty of time for questions and you're always welcome to follow up with me after this session even if you would just like to have a one-to-one chat with me, I'm really happy to arrange that with you. So welcome to the presentation of the overview of world's philosophies. Now, philosophies at SAAS is very, well not very different, but it takes a quite different approach to other philosophy programmes that you might find throughout the rest of the country and the reason for that is that our institution focuses on the cultures, the societies, the politics, the histories and so on of the regions of Asia, Africa and the Middle East. Now, when you study philosophy at university, you rarely encounter the fact that most cultures throughout history have actually engaged in the kinds of questions that philosophy does. What you find in most philosophy programmes is an emphasis on largely Anglo-American philosophy or European philosophy, but we want to introduce our students to the idea that other cultures have very rich intellectual traditions that have in many ways actually influenced a lot of developments in European philosophy. So we want to make sure that you recognise that philosophy is in fact a global discipline full of interesting cross-cultural dialogues that have informed the ways in which philosophers have answered some of the big questions. What is the meaning of life? What is the nature of truth? How can I really know that what I know is true and so on? So our intention in this programme is to ensure that our treatments of philosophy reflects the intellectual traditions of the world, not just Europe, not just the Anglophone world. That said, it's not as though we neglect European or Anglophone philosophy. We emphasise the dialogue that is possible when you put these traditions alongside each other, whether we're talking about Chinese philosophy, Islamic philosophy, Enlightenment philosophy. So here we would be thinking about thinkers such as David Hume or Emmanuel Kant. These philosophical traditions are able to have very interesting conversations between each other, such that we're able to reflect more deeply on some of those big questions. We also think it's really important that you understand philosophical traditions in their own terms. They're not all the same. They're not all asking the same questions. They're trying to respond to issues in their own societies, whether that's historically or in the contemporary era in ways that speak to the people of their societies. So we try to make sure that you have plenty of exposure to the specificity, the specifics of individual intellectual traditions, Indian philosophy, Chinese thought, Islamic philosophy, African philosophy, and so on. But we also want to make sure that you experience a philosophy degree. So we make sure that you are trained in the main branches of philosophy, the sub-branches, as they're often known. That's logic, ethics, metaphysics, epistemology, which is the study of how we know what we know, hermeneutics, which are theories of interpretation, how when we read something we know that we are at least approximating what the original author wanted to convey, and ontology, which is the study of what it is to exist to be, what's the meaning of life, those really big questions. And then finally, I think another element that makes our philosophy programme quite unique is that we pay very close attention to some very contemporary debates around decolonisation, meaning how do we ensure that what we're studying doesn't repeat some of the mistakes and the problems of the past that were involved in the European colonisation of most of the world, where European ideas were introduced to other societies and were used to kind of structure them, but also to create a sense of European superiority and the inferiority of other cultures. And we really want to challenge that. We also pay close attention to questions of race, gender, disability, sexuality, in the ways in which ideas always come from who you are, not simply what you are. So I would say that in a nutshell, that is the kind of approach that we take to philosophy at SARS. And these are the things I think that mark our programme out as really quite different from most of the philosophy programmes in the rest of the UK, if in fact not in the rest of the world. It really is quite a unique programme. Now I just want to introduce you to the main teaching team. These three people, myself included, are the people who teach the core elements of the programme. Dr Andrew Hines, he is a specialist in European thought continental philosophy from Europe, but is very interested and does a lot of work on how to put those that European thought in conversation with particularly Islamic and African philosophy, as well as Indian thought. And he also does some work on Chinese thought. Dr Elvis Emmaffadon is a specialist in African philosophy, but he's also a great expert in theories of interpretation and ethics. And then finally myself, I'm the convener of the programme and I teach largely on questions of race, decolonisation and issues of perspectives coming from disability, sexuality, gender and so on. Of course, there are many other people teaching on this programme, but we're the ones that teach the core curriculum. That's where you get a real grip on the subfields of philosophy, logic, ethics, philosophies of language and so on and so forth. You'll encounter plenty of others who are specialists in individual intellectual traditions. On that note, just to tell you what the structure of the programme looks like, what we have is that over the course of the three years that you study with us, if you're doing a single honours degree, meaning you're just doing world philosophies, your choice expands over time and what we try to ensure is that you're able to build a specialism in an intellectual tradition, whilst nonetheless getting the core issues and philosophy under your belt. In year one, you don't really have any choice at all and that's because we need to make sure that you've got the foundations to make sure that in the second and third year you're able to build on those. You do a course on world philosophies in context, that's surveying history of philosophy across the world, looking at major themes in different intellectual traditions. You do a course called Reading and Writing Philosophy, which is really training you to read philosophical texts but also increasingly to be able to produce them yourself to create robust arguments. There's also a course called Methods, Themes and Debates in World Philosophies and that's looking at the difference of world philosophies to perhaps a more conventional understanding of what philosophy is and what you need to be able to engage successfully with the questions that arise when you start to expand what philosophy means. There's your course called Philosophy, Race and Racism, that's a course that I teach and that is a course that looks at the history of racism within the discipline of philosophy and then looks at the kind of ways in which philosophers of colour, black philosophers, indigenous philosophers start to both criticise the discipline of philosophy but produce their own philosophies and in the second term you are introduced to the subfields of philosophy, ethics, metaphysics, epistemology and logic as well and those are all courses that approach the the subfields drawing on resources for many of the world's different intellectual traditions. In the second year you then begin to engage with the questions of cross-cultural interpretation that provide a really good foundation for your for your encounter with the intellectual traditions of the world. So you do a full-year module called Philosophies of Interpretation and Understanding looking at how perhaps understanding sometimes fails across different cultural manures what kind of common language we might need to understand things that are different from perhaps those which we have encountered before and some of the questions of power that often accompany the possibility of interpretation, the use of language and so on and then you're able to do to select modules in what we call the traditions of philosophy whether that's Indian philosophy or Indian Buddhist philosophy, classical Chinese thought, African philosophy, Islam or Islamic thought relationship to rationality, Jewish thought and Zoroastrianism which was a very influential intellectual tradition on the kind of philosophical dimensions of both Judaism of all Judaism Christianity and Islam so it's a very good kind of grounding to understand how preoccupations with for example the nature of evil develop as well as perhaps more abstract ideas such as why we see the world in terms of this and not that and so on. So these modules all provide a really good kind of introduction to modules that are then available in the second year where we move to a much more advanced level. Your module called the margins of philosophy which is another course that I teach and that is really preoccupied with those bodies of thought that philosophy has traditionally excluded such as perspectives from disabled thinkers, queer thinkers, postcolonial black thinkers, feminist thinkers and so on as a means of making philosophy much more hospitable to groups or communities that have not been considered to have anything to offer to philosophy and we show that actually they have a great deal to offer. You can also do an independent study project which is a 10,000 word essay where you are supervised by a member of staff who is a specialist in what you want to work on and this is really an opportunity for you to get much more involved in researching something that really interests you over the course of your degree and then again we have these kind of traditions of philosophy modules that you're able to do that builds on the modules that you've done in the previous year and again you know if you want to specialise in Chinese thought or Islamic thought, Jewish thought, Indian thought and so on are you able to kind of build up that specialism through the modules that are available. Now if you're interested in doing a joint honours degree and there are many combinations that you can do and you can just go to the website to have a look at that, what combinations of degrees you can do, you can only do, well you have to do fewer options but nonetheless you still fulfil the core components that the single honours students do, you just have to choose which ones you want to do in any given year but all of the modules that are available to the single honours students are also available to you if you're doing joint honours, you just don't have as much choice because you have to also do a similar number of credits in your other subject. I should also add that for single honours students in any given year you're able to exchange 30 credits whether that's a two 15 credit modules or a 30 credit module for either a language or for a module that is available in another department so that perhaps you're interested in political thought and so you want to do a module in the politics department that's completely open to you. That's not possible in the joint honours programme because you have to fulfil the right number of credits in each of your subject areas and you've got enough on your hands to do that. Now that gives you a sense of the structure of the programme but it's probably useful to know the kind of support that will be available to you as you go through the programme. Every student on the programme is assigned an academic advisor who you meet with at least once a term, usually often a bit more often than that, just to check your progress, make sure that you're happy, make sure that you're performing to the best of your ability and also looking to the future, the kinds of careers or things that you might want to do next and really support and you can reach in your goals. You have access to the programme convener so I just want to dispel your error there, that's me, you can come to me at any time and talk to me about any issues that you're having but also you can talk to me about your module choices, kinds of things that you're interested in and I'm also there to provide pastoral support as well if you're really having a rough time that I'm very happy just to sit with you and to talk to you, talk you through what's happening as well as finding ways in which we can support you. Every year of the programme also has student representatives and these are there to bring to my attention but also to the core teaching team any kind of broader problems or issues or things that perhaps you are unhappy with in the programme so that we can fix those quickly and this is a nice and anonymous way of making sure that we're aware of any struggles that are going on. You have weekly contact with your lecturers, certainly in the first year you will have an average of between three to four hours contact time with your lecturers that will be in the classroom in seminars but also in office hours and that's office hours where you can just pop in to your teacher's office and talk to them about particular questions that you have about the course you're doing with them, advice about writing some of the coursework or exams that kind of thing and then outside of the department we also have a number of support services. There's the student wellbeing and advice department that offers a whole range of services whether that's to do with mental health, support for various types of disability, financial advice, career advice although the career service is also somewhat independent of them, advice on housing and so on and they're a really good kind of first port to go to if there's any aspect of studying and living in SAAS that you need extra support with. There's also an excellent learning and teaching support department that offers individual sessions so you can go to them with your coursework when you've had it returned if you're not happy with your grade and get some training about how to improve it but they also offer a bunch of different courses and workshops on a number of study skills like knowing how to read, knowing how to structure SAAS that kind of thing and then finally our career service is really extraordinarily good and has many excellent connections to various industries that our SAAS students are very well placed in but they also offer clinics on shaping your CV enabling you to get volunteering and internship experience and all of that kind of stuff so if you come to us I always encourage our first two students to make a point in visiting them right from the get go so that you've got a really good sense of where you want to get to by the end of the degree. Now at the same time whilst the degree at SAAS is quite unique, SAAS itself is a unique and I have to say fantastic institution. I myself and an alumnus of SAAS I did both my undergraduate degree at SAAS and my PhD at SAAS. It's a very special institution it's a kind of hidden jewel it has an outstanding research culture meaning that every member of staff at SAAS is involved in producing books, journal articles and so on that are at the cutting edge of the field. We're actively thinking and writing all the time about the kinds of things you're going to encounter in the classroom and our department is second in the UK for research that is recognised as internationally excellent meaning it's right up there. In terms of philosophy departments in the UK we are in the top 20 philosophy departments likely in fact in the next round of league tables to go up sorry this is slightly out of date our NSS score was actually 99% I think this year meaning the national student survey for satisfaction with the degree as a whole that was our third year student saying that they they super enjoyed the degree and highly recommend it. Our teaching is silver in the teaching excellence framework which means that we produce excellent outcomes for our students and we have a very high employability rate for our graduates so 97% of graduates are in employment or they go on to do master's degree within six months of finishing their degree SAAS. Students are highly employable, highly sought out by employers of various dimensions and here's a very kind of general list of the kinds of areas that our students go on to after they finish their degrees with us and so as you can see a philosophy degree from SAAS prepares you really to answer any industry that you might be interested in or to go on to further study which I would say probably about a third to a quarter of our students go on to do. In terms of our entrance requirements we accept students with A level results either AAB or ABB. Generally we tend to look more carefully at those but predicted at least grades of ABB looking carefully at the personal statement to see whether you're going to fit in well and you know our concern is that you end up doing a degree that you want to and that you're going to enjoy not that you're not capable of doing it. If you're doing the IB then we accept students with 35 or 665 at HL. We don't require you to have done philosophy at A level or RE but it doesn't hurt you to have done this but it's certainly not going to count against you if you haven't. It's just as fine if you've done perhaps science degree sorry science A levels or you've done a mix or you've done I don't know you know English literature history and physics or whatever we're never going to hold that against you. We're interested really more than anything in your personal statement and why it is that you want to study with us. If you don't have any kind of standard qualifications but we think that your personal statement is interesting and that you'll probably be a good match for us then we will generally invite you for an interview and that's really just to kind of talk through your interest what you've done in your life and to establish whether were you to come to us that you wouldn't be paying out lots of money and not having a good result at the end of it so it's not a threatening thing it's really just to make sure that you're going to be okay with us and there you can see that there's a some links to how to apply and I know Kimberly is here to answer any questions if you've got any questions about that so that's the kind of very quick and general overview of the program and I'm really now happy to answer any questions that you've got and if you want to unmute yourselves to ask those if you just want to type in the chat that's absolutely fine I'm really happy to answer any questions that you've got as I know Kimberly is as well and I'm just going to catch up on the on the chat while we're doing this. So yes I think in the chat there was a few questions about alternative qualifications and our website is just being updated at the moment so we do recognise qualifications from around the world and so if you haven't got A levels but you have another qualification you should be able to find that all on the website at the moment but if you have any trouble doing that I have put my email address in the chat box for you and you can send that over we do have regional specialists in our equipment team who will be able to advise you on mostly every qualification that is out there and if there's something that we haven't come across before we're more than welcome to look into it and just see that it's the equivalent level to students that we have coming in or just make sure that we think you'd feel comfortable and prepared for the programmes as they are so do send that over to me but also do check our website as well and then I can see that there was another quick question that said can we come and visit the campus so yes yes definitely we have two we have visit campus visits every two weeks and then also we will have a number of events happening throughout the year for you to visit campus on open days which this is a virtual open day but we also have in-person open days and that's I think it's good to participate in both you get a different feel from either one of them but I do think it's a good idea to come to SOAS and to see SOAS and to kind of do it when term is on so that you can see what it's like when students are here it is a little bit different obviously at the moment because we are still coming a little bit out of Covid so we have some in-person teaching and some online teaching but I still think it will give you that experience and I would say for any students who are able to visit universities around the UK it is such an important factor of whether you feel like the university is going to be the right fit for you obviously academic wise it's kind of a priority for you but I think when you're thinking about your studies you also need to think is it somewhere I'm going to be at home is it somewhere I'm going to thrive is it the right environment for me and every university is different in itself so I think really being able to travel around and see different universities will help you to make sure that you're one making the right choices of you to apply to but also in your final decision of where to go yeah I think you know what you don't perhaps get from an online presentation and so on is a sense of the kind of vibrancy of the campus the it's quite a small campus so there's a kind of lot of hustle and bustle but that means that people really make excellent friendships there's plenty to get involved in it also means that it's quite an informal place it's not a lot of kind of how would I say you know formality between lecturers and students we really do consider ourselves to be a close community and I don't think that you necessarily pick that up unless you come to the campus so you know do make sure that you book a campus visit I'm also really really happy to meet with you on campus I'm not going to be on campus until the beginning of November but I would be more than happy to meet with you and show you around as well I also see that there's a question here about the options to study abroad while doing philosophy and language if you do a joint honours degree with a language you get a year abroad by default if you choose the four year option and there's no extra charge for that other than that you're paying four years of fees although can really correct me if I'm wrong um the year abroad is do we pay less or not I'm not sure about that yes there is a slight difference in fees and I'll put that information um in the uh on a link for you and put it into the chat as well um and one thing I should also say is the school as a whole is currently developing plans to enable either a semester abroad or a year abroad for all degree programmes at SAWAS but that's still very much in the kind of discussion stage and the negotiation stage but we think that you know encountering the cultures that you're studying about is a really really important aspect of studying at SAWAS so we you know we're really pushing to make sure that that's part of the opportunities that you have available to you and I would say that even at SAWAS as a student who's coming into our programmes we are 54% international in terms of our student body and we have students joining us from all around the world so that is again part of the sort of the benefit of being at SAWAS when people always tell me okay tell me what's what's special about SAWAS and tell me what makes your programmes unique and I I talk through kind of the very interdisciplinary approach that we have I talk through the great academic staff that we have but I always say that one of you know the real kind of the real kind of selling points if you will if you if it was selling would be our students in that they come from lots of different countries lots of different perspectives lots of different backgrounds cultures and but the one thing that they all have in common is that they want to share that and they want to learn about other people from other backgrounds and sometimes you might not all have the same opinions the same ideas but the fact is that the SAWAS student wants to hear everybody else's ideas everybody else's opinions they want to know about it they want to know why it's different to what they think they want to know is should it be different to what I think and and you're probably fine when you come to SAWAS that you might have some very fixed ideas that you have that will be wildly different to when you leave SAWAS so I think that's really part part of it and a language is in itself as well when you're on the SAWAS campus and you're walking around it's not uncommon within about a 20 minute duration to have heard seven different languages so I think that again is one of the beauties of SAWAS. I couldn't agree more actually I think you know I think our secret selling point is really our students and how much students to get their contribution to the learning experience so it's not just in the classroom it's really those conversations that you have in the hallway over a coffee in the quad or whatever where you're really encountering all sorts of different ways of looking at the world and and you know and I often feel as a as a teacher as a lecturer at SAWAS that I too am constantly learning and being challenged by my students and it's just such an enormous joy to be in the classroom with so many different people and just being challenged and and you know often having a good laugh at the kinds of misunderstandings that we might have but all you know in the end coming together and realizing that we're all in it together and that we can really develop friendships and warmth out of those encounters and I think you know in a world where your cultural difference often seems so kind of polarized what you find at SAWAS is actually really great ways of resolving some of that difference coming together respecting each other respecting our differences. So yeah I think that's probably one of the things that makes SAWAS one of the best places certainly to work and I hope to study as well. Yeah I think even in the classroom as well you can even be coming at things from different perspectives so because we have a very interdisciplinary approach but we believe that all of the subjects we teach are kind of intersected and interconnected with each other you could be in a classroom where actually you have economic students studying alongside you you have politics students studying alongside you you have anthropology students and you're approaching that particular module that particular class from a different perspective but then you're kind of learning off of each other and you realize that the world isn't built that way we don't live in silos where we can only think from one perspective and only think with one kind of goal whatever you do will be impacted by lots of different things and so I think that's really kind of what you gain in terms of coming to SAWAS and coming to an institution that is smaller that does have maybe a more specialist portfolio of programmes but actually it then widens your own kind of opinions and ideas because you can dip your toe into all of these different areas. So true. Do you see if there's any questions that we've missed? Do you feel free to add in any questions? There's no such thing as a silly question at all so do you feel free to pop in anything that you'd like there or if there's anything that we've touched upon in the earlier presentation that you might want to know just a little bit more about do you feel free to pop them in or pop your hands up if you'd like to as well? And also feel free to tell us just a little bit about who you are and why you're interested in this particular programme. Linda just on alternative qualifications do you feel free to email me? I'll just put my email address there and I'll tell you whether those would work for you. I should add that we actually do attract quite a lot of mature students who of course often do have you know or perhaps today levels a long time ago or who have quite a lot of life experience or employment experience and we always consider that and we find that our mature students not that I'm suggesting that you are Linda but that our mature students actually do very well in the programme usually are at the top of the class just as far as which A levels would be preferable. I think Kim has answered that quite well but we certainly do you know have students on the programme who perhaps under maths A level or an economics A level and so on so you know as long as you meet our requirements because of our approach to philosophy we're not assuming that you've got any kind of background knowledge of our approach and that's why we spend quite a lot of the first year of getting you all on the same page. So it's not that your A levels don't matter per say what the subjects are. I think Kim is right that you know social sciences and the humanities do kind of give you the tools for a certain way of thinking and producing forms of coursework those kinds of things but we're not necessarily assuming that you've done a lot of philosophy in the past. Any other questions? Probably quite a lot to take in but yeah do you feel free to ask any further questions that you might have or obviously follow up with any emails that you might have about the programme. And as I say I'm really happy to just meet with you one on one for the moment on Zoom but in a couple of weeks I'll be able to potentially meet in person on the campus. Well if there are no other questions from there we'll probably that's an excellent question. No I mean if you do have knowledge of a language before you come to science to study it all that happens is that you're given an assessment at the beginning of the year and you are placed in the level that is most suitable to you but none of the first year language modules ever assume that you have had previous training in that with the exception of Arabic because Arabic has lots of different types of first year modules and they have for example modules where perhaps you have you've grown up in an Arab family even if you're living in the the UK and so perhaps you've encountered some Arabic at home or whatever so there'll be a particular class for you if that's your you know it's a kind of heritage class but there are also of course Arabic classes that don't assume any prior knowledge whatsoever and that is the same for all of the languages that we teach at SAAS. Okay last chance to ask any questions and if not we can say a fond farewell and I hope to hear from you my email is there Kims is there really feel free to email us with any additional questions that you've got or you know any advice in fact if you're thinking of applying and you want to know how to craft your personal statement then I can certainly help you with that as well. Yeah so once again thank you all for attending today and we will be sending out a recording of this session to you in case you want to go through any of the presentation again and there are a lot of other sessions on today as well if you have any interest in attending those but I would say I did put into the chat earlier and I'll make sure it's included in the emails that go out to you is a link to our web page that will tell you about all of the events throughout the year and you know I know some of you are listening in today and thinking about this next upcoming year or possibly the next year or possibly the next year from that so I really would say to get involved in as many of the events either online or in person I think it just really helps you to know like I say which universities you might be wanting to apply to and then once you get to the point where you're making the decision which university really fits from you I think getting involved is a very so ass thing it's something that you'll do when you're with us in that you'll be a student who's obviously attending obviously your classes but you're likely to be attending lots of open events throughout the year which are either for your particular study area or just generally around the university so we have lots of open lectures book launches film screenings that happen throughout the year that could be within your area could be outside of that and our students do attend and then there's obviously lots of different student societies our students are activists and so they do get involved in lots of different forms of activism so sometimes that is protesting albeit peaceful and violent other times it could be something like getting involved with just education on different kind of topics and areas and discussions it could be working in the kind of charitable areas so I think that's something that you'll be very used to if you end up coming to us so why not start that now a little bit earlier on in terms of just taking advantage of all of the different sessions that we run online and in person so again I'll just thank you all for your time and for attending and thank you Sean so much for a great overview of the programmes and hopefully a lovely welcome to the department yeah absolute pleasure thank you so much all for coming and thanks Kim for your support and hope to hear from you all before too long thanks a lot thank you everybody bye bye