 with public comment in just a moment, John, and you can start. Let me just see if there's anyone else here for public comments. I think that's all the numbers covered. Unless I've called your name or you've spoken up, is there anyone else here on the line? All right, someone else just joined us. Ralph? Hey, this is Patrick. All right, happy. The name doesn't, the number only shows half. How are you doing, happy? Good, and have these from the Gallagher Porter if people don't know. We also have Mad River TV setting up here as well. All right, John Gallagher, open, you've got four minutes, if you will, for public comment, go ahead. Oh, wow, four minutes, OK. No, no, no, four minutes. Four minutes. Are you done now? Yeah, go ahead. Well, thanks for this opportunity to speak to this opinion. And I'm speaking about math, and that's what I understand it is about. And I am something that I have researched extensively. When I retired, I was really concerned when they closed the schools, and I said, oh, boy, this is something serious. And I'm convinced that wearing math is not effective at all, and it's affecting any benefit to the transmission of a virus, either to the wearer or to anyone in the vicinity. The effectiveness of a mask as a protective measure has been studied very, very extensively since doctors and dentists began wearing these masks 100 years ago. I've seen no data from any study that supports mass wearing against bacteria or viral infection or transmission to others. There's one study that's just included in 2016 that took about 20 years and was done by an association of dentists. And they concluded that wearing a mask for a dentist or a doctor is useful only for blood or other body fluids being flattened to the face of a doctor or dentist. John, where is it? John, what publication was that published in? My computer opened right now, but I could find this thing. Yeah, I don't want to know why. The man that was published, who was published, who had the thought that it was. There, this one study that was concluded in 2016 probably was a consolidation of many studies. And... Then it's not a study, if it's a compilation of many studies, but go ahead. OK, so I'm trying to find this thing. I can find it there. I didn't think I was going to have to provide it, because by any means, I can't. My belief in ways of mandatory rasp-wearing is immoral, ineffective. A violation of the constitution and of a person's own control over their own body. I didn't wear a mask at all, but I can see that more and more places are saying, like you supposed to go to a shop and not wear a mask. And maybe on the 21st of now you're going to have to wear a mask. Some other parts of the store do some go. It seems to be... Is this from a sports office? Pardon me? Is this from the oral health service? I... I'm still trying to find it. I'm a physical surgeon. There is something from them from 2020. Just about my question. We've seen many medical case masters also designed to be fluid resistant. Glasses, bottles, water, and other bottles we glue with masks are not necessarily designed to feel tight in the face. Therefore, there needs to be... Well, that's a problem, because, you know, a virus, a bacteria is maybe one to five microns. And a virus is, like, 150 to 150 nanometers. And no mask, not even the N95, class, cotton, none of them will do... are effective against that at all. It's just a screen. They give nothing to them at all. So it's totally ineffective. It can't work. And like you said, it cannot see you around your face. So it's just... Basically the New England Journal of Medicine said it's a symbolic gesture that looks sort of like you're trying to... you're doing something. Make someone feel good, you know? And it also restricts your intake of oxygen. In the two-hour operation, a doctor wearing a N95 mask has his blood oxygen level decreased by 20%. And there's many different studies showing on the internet where people are using oxygen-densing meters that are in factories that are calibrated once a month. They use every single day. And, you know, OSHA has... You can go to OSHA website and they'll tell you that all these masks are totally ineffective against virus. But anyway, these masks... You know, you're re-breathing on CO2. And the 19.5% oxygen minimum that OSHA says is the healthy environment. So these companies have to check this all the time. And if you put a... I've seen studies where they take this probe and they put it on your cheek and it'll be 21, 21.5% oxygen. And then they put a mask on and they stand there and breathe for three seconds. Now, if it says the beeper command, it's 17.4% oxygen. Now, like you're breathing in this mask, you're re-breathing, but your body is compelling and it doesn't want. So I haven't found any yet that I'm still working. I think I have to go to OSHA website. Sure, that's okay. We need to... Is there any other scientific evidence? One more thing I wanted to say is that... I believe that this mask wearing is the first step in the agenda for sports vaccination. And I personally have never had a flu shot and I'm totally against vaccination. John, this is not the forum for vaccinations. So... Vaccines are poison. I don't know if you people know this, but there's a child's vaccination state act of 1986 that was basically Congress passed it because the pharmaceutical industry was getting so... They were getting sued so much. So is there any other public comment? Well, this is Bill Ligas and I respectfully say that I do support an organ that would require a mask and I'm not sure specifically what you're considering, but I do feel that they might be affecting and I don't have any issues with being safe rather than sorry. All right, Bill. Thank you. Is there any other one on the line, Neil? I see you've joined us, Neil Nescombe. Do you have anything for a public comment, Neil? All right. I called in a little bit late there and called us, but I just basically... I just wanted to get on and I did send you guys that email right before the last meeting and if you guys had a chance to look at it, any questions about the withdrawal question? Yeah, I think we're going to put that on our next agenda, Neil, to discuss if that's all right. And so it'll be an agenda item so we can so make sure there's people who want to participate in that, they can. I wouldn't mind having chance to share or if you think would use ideas as part of the discussion next week. That'd be perfect. Yeah, we'll allow some time for you. We'll put you on the agenda for that. All right, anything else, Neil? So that looks like we're finishing up unless there's anyone here for public comment and it doesn't appear to be. No one else has joined the line so we will continue on the agenda. We first have the Horrorwood folks here. We have Ray and Mandy and then we'll go to the Recreation Committee and then we'll let 645-ish depending on how the agenda goes. We'll get back to the face covering ordinance discussion. All right, so thank you Ray and Mandy. How are you folks tonight? Wonderful, how are you doing? Oh, not too bad. Nice to see you guys. Thanks for taking the time to come out. You certainly could have called in, but it was nice to see you and I appreciate you coming. As you've seen, there's not a lot different or that we're looking at as far as the MOU, but just want some feedback from you what you guys are thinking, any of your thoughts are and then I know John's on the line, he wants to discuss the parking lot project a little bit and that stuff that's going on. So what are you guys thinking? Well, I mean, we haven't really had a chance to talk about it at all. Yeah. And I mean, it doesn't look like anything's substantially different. I certainly don't have an issue with moving forward to it and recommending the board sign this. So one of the things that we talked about in the last meeting where a Mandy is, is doing a little less mowing in the back and the fields. We had some recommendations from the rec committee as far as even wildlife, but even save a little bit of time and energy and money. As well. We've talked to the tornadoes that would be impacted down by the church and they were happy with it as long as we put in some paths that wasn't all grown up. It's not going to be the, most of it will be open like it is now. It's mostly the hill and up above and then down right behind the church area there. So I don't know if you guys have any objections at all to that. Do you have any? The only thought was around little wildlife like rode in wild into the tracks and how that would impact the school, but I'm not an expert on that. So. How close can we talk about getting to the school when you say behind the church? Yeah, I think right now you're going to go and block it ourselves. And if you guys would like one of you would like to join us. Maybe when we do that because we've had that recommendation but we haven't been out there very well just so we can get an idea of what we want to make sure it's not up against. Where's it? Sure. The Catholic church. Oh, yes. Yeah, the one way over there. This is the side. Yeah, not the map of the site. Is that, that's way enough. I think far enough away. Far, far, far, far. You shouldn't have any, there really should be much difference there. I don't think most people won't notice it, but in the other requests I've had from some folks in town, you may have talked to them directly is the pickleball people and they were looking for a place in the winter. I don't know if they were able to ever work that out with you or not. I worked that with Susan and we kind of came to a compromise, I would say, and we worked it out and they used it and they were fine, but obviously everything ceased. Oh, absolutely. As of March 15th, so they weren't using it anymore. But yeah, we drew up an agreement, they kept to their side, I kept to mine and it seemed to work out fine. Perfect, so as long as, I just want to make sure that they have been able to speak with you. Yeah, we spoke back and forth a few times and we're able to definitely work it out. Good. Yeah, absolutely. All right. Anyone else have any comments for the school? Very none, I guess. Yeah, so you guys would recommend this, again, go for another year and things come up. I have, is that drainage pipe has to be replaced. The one that leads down next to St. Patrick, that was pretty, pretty question there and as far as I know, they're going to replace that when they do the catch basin here. Is that right, Gray? As far as I know, John, on Saturday, they replaced that culvert and that's the, I think that's the extent of the work for this work that's going on now. I think, whenever the final design is done again for the parking lot, I'm sure the pipe will go to where we have ended this pipe. A new pipe will be replacing what's there up to where we left off. We've got the culvert now be on the sidewalk so the sidewalk will not be dug again. All right, so yeah, so I guess that's definitely going to affect you. I guess you're part of that, but I take it that it's not going to be at an extra expense. Not an extra expense, right? No, no. Okay. Thumbs up all around there, John. No. No, it gets done with the parking lot work. It still needs to be replaced because done in a different phase. Is that what you were saying, Gray? That's what I'm saying. When the parking lot is constructed, then new structures in that whole area and around the school will be installed and the discharge pipe will be brought over to where we have left off. All right, the plan right now is not to do that work. All right, that was not in the school right at this point. All right, yeah, so it looks like, again, things are currently just the same as going. What's the timing for the work? As we move along here, we get into, later in August, we're gonna start having cars filling up the parking lot. Yeah. He's asking about timeline done. So our plan is to try to be out of here so first week in August. Okay. Our parking will still be in town, but I think they don't have anything in the parking lot that I know of. So the parking lot will be effectively, yeah, it'll be cleaned up, rated off, ready for school. All right. The school will be ready for it, Gray. Of course. Of course. They were just asking about the parking lot and timing and Gray said Du Bois will be out by the beginning of August. So the parking lot will be ready for parking at that point. All right, so we will go ahead and sign off on the MOU between the Moortown School District and the town of Moortown. We'll just need to change some dates on it and we'll pass it on to the school board and let them take a look at it if you guys recommend it and then we'll end there. One more item is the design study for the parking lot. Yeah. Because that's an extent that I believe is the green upon will be split. Okay. And do you know what that is, John, and when that will be? Okay. I'm just trying to pull that up right now. Did you only have that separate agreement with the? I believe that this was our share in the neighborhood of 19,000. All right. And what agreement was that? I don't think we have that with them, John. That was a separate agreement. Okay. This is for the former management plan and let's say I've got it right here, is Ray, Ray, I believe, did you take part in that meeting? Ray Stagel? Phil is certain. He's pretty certain he was there, but. Ray, you're saying that he was accepting the agreement? Yes, he was. He's unherited. We thought that it's under a separate agreement, John, and I think it is. It's under the whole parking lot agreement that we have. Okay, fine. Okay, that's fine. Yeah, it's not hard. But the MOU is more of a maintenance type of thing. So I know you think the MOU address is called short and long term. So I just wanted to clarify that. Yeah. Yeah. Well, very good. We'll go ahead and send this off to the screen board and go from there. And if there's any other questions or things from up concerns you guys have or things that you wanna talk about or discuss, you know, reach out anytime. Okay. Yeah, I'll shoot this off to Michelle Baker in the morning. Okay. And, you know, we have a standing meeting Tuesday morning, so we'll talk about it. And if there's any issues that she flags, I'll let you know right away. But I don't believe there's gonna be any issues. Thanks, we appreciate it. Nice. Yep. Thanks a lot. Thank you. I did just notice, on this agreement it has a long term maintenance freeze in there, a paragraph. And it does say hospital funding sources by September, 2017. So that should probably be updated. Yeah, that's right. I think that we had some days to change in there. Oh, you did? Okay. Sorry. Yeah, yeah. Under the current dissolves on 2017, you may wanna fix that. Yeah. Okay. Yeah, there are a number of those days that we're a little left. Yeah, those are those things that get overlooked. Mm-hmm, yeah. So all of a sudden you send a bill out and then it's not there. Yeah. Yeah, and then there are some amendments and things to it down below, so as we've noticed. So, very good. We appreciate working with you guys. Yep. Yeah, and look forward to continuing that relationship. Absolutely. All right, okay. Yeah, we'll see you. Thanks for coming. Okay, now is there anyone on the line with the Recreation Committee Project? Oh, I think John Atkinson is gonna join us. Not sure if he's joining via telephone conference or login or coming, Bill, do you know? So is there anyone on the line that can speak towards the Rec Committee? John, are you hearing us all right? I'm hearing you. Just wanted to make sure that we're not. I think we have folks in the back of the room, but I can hear you guys. When you say anybody on the line, do you mean from the Rec Committee? That's correct, John. You may have forgotten. What time is it? You're supposed to be on it, 6.30? It says 6.30 on the agenda. Yeah, I know. It's so early. Yeah, so we've got a couple of minutes. Did anyone get a chance to attend the bridge meeting today? All right, Don, why don't you give us, and we got the bridge closure coming up at 7.15, but while we're waiting a couple of minutes for John, why don't you give us a little history of what happened there? Okay, the bridge is gonna close on 8.17 at 7.00 a.m. No, no, I'm sorry. Yeah, and they're gonna start doing, mobilizing, doing things around the site on 8.1. They're closing on 8.17. They're gonna work seven days a week. They're gonna try to avoid working at night. They know they have a sound adjustable thing because the folks live right there working at night after 5.30 p.m. or whatever. And so they're 61 days, and they supposedly will be opening the bridge on 10.16. They handed out what I think was also shown at the meeting, and we had a town hall last summer, I believe. They had a printout of the closed, you know, the signage that was gonna be going up. Let's see. There was some talk, you know, some of the folks that were doing the map were out there. A lot of the required time was there, a lot of people from the state. They were supposed to make sure that we had the wait when they posted on the road, you know, because there's a talk of big trucks coming. And that was one of the things I asked them in the detour was they're gonna be trying to tell people out on a hot route, too. You know, people were gonna still come down, and God, they were gonna keep the 18-wheelers and the huge fuel trucks. So they were gonna think about how they would like to change their flashboards, signage that they're gonna come up. Because inevitably, they're gonna come down and turn around there. It's gonna be very different, because the road's gonna be blocked off. Just about as a driveway. I think those folks were the Murphy's who lived there. From the Blue House, the old mill. Yeah, Murphy. You guys heard me? Yeah, you're correct, Murphy. So, you know, there was this... What's that? I'm sorry, you were correct. Go ahead. Yeah, so there was some just general discussion between the contractor and the state engineer and the Murphy's about how, you know, what happened, you know, how they will access their road and how they'll get their trash out. But more, there was some of the better discussion of the big truck doesn't come down there. You know, the whole turnaround problem's gonna be, you know, trying to turn around at the pony farm road and that's what brought this discussion out about how to maybe alert trucks and people with trailers, you know, like campers. They, you know, people... What typically happens is people see a road close and then they don't believe that they drive down on any way, you know, or bridge close. And they get here and it's like, oh, it's closed. So, they're gonna go back thinking about that. And they talked about the sheriff's department was there. They said they heard from Wasteville that they haven't heard from Mooretown about some increased patrolling. You know, they moved municipal grants for that as we talked about the sheriff. They think they have to sign it. It didn't sound like the contractor would put any signage up on a pony farm road. They're not gonna really put up any signage if they don't want it to be looked like at the detour. Which, you know, that probably makes sense, I don't know. And the paving is supposed to be done 8.31 because it's the same office and the same engineers that are always seeing the paving project. And that was it. All right. Any questions? We'll hold your questions until we get back to that. John Atkinson has arrived and so we're going to get back on the agenda. But we will have time at 7.15 to ask any questions to Don or any suggestions that we have as far as that goes. So thank you, John, for coming. No problem. Thank you. We have the other board members on the line. John Cowley and Don. And one of your colleagues or someone that is, I think, is with you, Bill Zeekis. Yes. Is on the line as well. He's on the phone too. Yeah. To support you. I don't know. We'll see. Anyways, what do you have for us? Well, I'm here with an update on the project. And so in terms of permitting, we are all set on our zoning permits. The project does not require any new ones, which was a termination by the zoning administrator. We are still waiting for archeological permits. The archeologist that we hired has had some medical challenges in his family, so it's taken a little bit longer than we would hoped. But that is imminently expected. So hopefully within the next week we'll have that. We have decided on a contractor, Sinuocity, is a trail building company that is built all over Vermont, including here in the medical battle. So they've worked on several projects. What was it again? The name is Sinuocity. Sinuocity. And they are expecting to start in the middle of August and finish in the middle of September. Let's see what other details. We've done a bunch of site visits and are looking forward to starting. I realize that there are some traffic issues that we need to work through. Who should we approach in order to be able to access the school? Yep. John, excuse me. Yes, John. I want to say I have to enter the parking lot. I can't hear a word. All right. Can you hear me now, John? Yes, I can. Very good. Okay. I'll start over. So we have secured our zoning permits for zoning administrators that we did not need any. So we're good to go on that front. We are waiting for our archeological report to come through. We hired an archeologist to do a report that the state requires for any publicly funded projects. And he has had some medical issues in his family. So it's taken a little longer than we had hoped, but we expect that to be in our hands pretty soon. That would be the final permit determination that we need to get before we can start the project. The grant has been fully executed by the state, which means that we basically can start to spend the money. And we have chosen a contractor, Cygnuosity. They're based out of Morrisville, Vermont and have worked all over Vermont, including here in the Mead River Valley before. And we're going to be working closely with the Recreation Committee and the Mead River Riders and the contractor to make sure the project is done really well. And let's see if I forget anything that I had talked about before. Oh, the starting time. We're hoping to start in mid-August and finish in mid-September. There are traffic issues we realized with the school parking lot and work going on in town and overlap with any school traffic that might start in late August. So we're looking for folks that we should contact to plan that. And if anybody can let us know, that would be great. John, I thought we'd have them coordinated with Sasha. And Sasha can work with the school on that as well. So everyone is kept informed. But as long as John is aware of that now, I think everyone should be able to work around it. Okay, great. We do have spaces reserved for the town office. You may see some signs there. But there are more spaces and we can certainly work together with you guys. But Bear in mind, the school does take a lot of spaces. Yeah, we're not expecting to take up a bunch of space and certainly don't want to, you know, impede any things that are going on at that time. So if we have to schedule our work around school or any of the construction stuff, we're planning on that. John, you had a question on insurance? Yeah, I'm certainly, John, you know, the board is in favor of it. But we have those insurance questions and one with Stanton DLCT wondering why we, the town, is not listed as requiring a specific insurance and others are. So I think, prior to any drawing on a contract or anything, we certainly would need the attorney with DLCT to take a look at it. We would love to share with you and certainly don't want to sign anything that will challenge either insurance or building or any of the various factors that we have going on here. We certainly are happy to provide a certificate of insurance to the town. If there are any specific requirements in there, if you would let us know, otherwise we can send you the general one that we send to everybody. Okay, I'll be good. And should I send that to Sasha also? Yeah. That's an easily fixed issue. Okay, perfect. Is there any other questions for John? Sorry, everybody. So unless anyone has any questions, John's going to get out and fight and go home. I'm going to throw it down. I feel bad. Throw it down. It's hot. Thank you. Thank you, John. Here's the water here. So, can you guys see okay now? All right, sure. We're going to go ahead and move on to the face covering ordinance discussion pertaining to COVID-19. So, John, would you like to start the discussion? No, bear in mind tonight we heard our first guest, John Gallagher came in and shared some information with us. So, when you're making your decisions, be sure and remember you've had guests with opinions. So, John, go ahead. I've discussed this with Lawrence Blackwater, but she now has one. And I've looked over one on one, and I think that looks pretty good. And I feel strongly that we should adopt the resolution very, very similar to that one. John Gallagher did call me on Friday and voiced his concerns and opposition and so on. Let's get... And I will say that I haven't been... I haven't been... My career hasn't been out much, but I've worked out the more challenging general store. And the other day, I noticed that... It took me a while. Anyway, I noticed that it looked like they're doing a better job of it there. But I think just something... The one on the roof is pretty easy. It's not... It's not demanding. It's not talking about penalties or anything like that. You know, I just think... I think it's a good one. Kelly, what do you think, Kelly? So, how are we going to enforce that? I don't think it really has to be enforced. I mean, just a sign on the door should be enough for most people. Sure, people will steal a door and there will make some that's enough for one reason or another. Medical conditions can't wear a mask. But, you know, bottom line is just one step further, rather than being kind of voluntary. Okay. It's not mandatory. I mean, the both of us are... and Warren just has both signs to be entered. And other approaches to locations that people are required to wear a mask on. Don Wexler, what do you think? What's going to happen? I'm done. All right, Kelly, go ahead. I'm done. No, look ahead. I'm in the order with this, that people cannot... I mean, we're not enforcing it. You can't question people on why they're wearing a mask or not wearing a mask. Of course. We're looking at this falling onto minimum wage employees who have a lot going on as a kid. I mean, I think what we... what it should be up to is a business's decision with what they want to do with their business. I mean, as a town, you can say you come into a town office, you wear a mask, you come into the library, you wear a mask, which I'm pretty sure what others are doing. So, but I think it should be a business's decision with what they do with their business. And if somebody, you know, for whatever reason, doesn't want to feel tamed by people for whether they're wearing one or not, is, you know, just so we can read it up to them if they want to do it or not. Well, I don't think we're... it's not my intention or our intention to demand that the Moretown store employees wear masks. What I would do and would expect them to do what I'd ask them to post a sign outside their business that the town, Moretown, has a mandatory mask ordinance and leave it at that. I drive around a lot of places and it's very common to see now and 99% of the people have a mask on and as you've commented and John has, there are people who have medical conditions that can't wear them. But based on the CDC recommendations, just really everything we're hearing in the news today, and I know we can't swallow everything that the news tells us, but it sounds like this is something that can help prevent the spread of the virus and I think that's most important is our health and everyone's health. You know, I'm not one, you know, I think you all know me pretty well the big government should be telling people what to do but this is unprecedented times and these are things that really need to be done for your fellow citizens if not for you and if you do read some of the literature it's not, you wearing a mask is not preventing you from getting it. No, it's preventing perhaps you spreading germs to someone else and we all travel and we don't know what we're picking up so I'm certainly in favor of of an ordinance and again I don't think it's going to be something that we're going to be standing around enforcing but I think it's something if you ask people to do it more will do it and I think it can only help us. Ray, what's your thought? My thought is I don't personally I probably wear a mask whenever I'm in public as much as I can From my own personal standpoint I generally wear a mask when I go into a public place or within a six foot separation I do not think a mandatory requirement from the town is necessary this time I'm very concerned about how this will be interpreted but who's going to enforce it are we going to have citizens of more town questioning other people coming into town and ask them why they don't have a mask on you know are we going to have arguments and conflicts over this as we know people can't not everybody can wear a mask I'm just concerned about how this is going to be enforced and rent by the public I would feel if the state if the state has a mandatory requirement then I would feel better about that I just don't feel the town needs to have a mandatory requirement that's my feeling Any questions concerns for Ray? Ray, I agree with you I think that's my key point with this I mean I'm required to wear a mask for work terrible when they cut it right after the fraud I think it's important to everyone else in the community people get into arguments one way or another it doesn't could it not be able to be enforced in a way that people would really follow it in having the main piece this part, I think I agree with you Don, let's put your thought If I could crack the post office and fire I mean that's the road comp but I mean it's not the public's you want to go in to drop your comp post office and get company we can't really count down for those of us with businesses but of course we have a school and we're not sure about what the school program's going to be but whether the children will be required to wear a mask or the teachers it's still a work in progress I would say I don't know if I really like to work wooden I mean maybe start on a resolution exactly that's my point maybe some kind of basis that the board supports the wearing of a mask because it's in the public interest and in your townspeople interest and for the good of your neighbor and that's a lot of the stories John or Tom someone mentioned most of the places I go they have to sign and have to wear a mask you know so that is going on so I would be a favor of some kind of language of I feel like I said a resolution from when I understand this 14 town town a lot that have come up with a resolution flash or an ordinary flash resolution and so yeah I think it would be it would be a show of signs of support of people who are really trying not that everybody is not trying but you know realizing the importance of it and it would show us the support for how important it seems to be that's what I said so how would that sound Don how would he write that how would he write that yeah exactly well if you read there's I mean that's more than a resolution it's now therefore be resolved that the select word is just the following COVID-19 emergency or A requirement to wear face coverings so that's more than you know a recommendation or you know so that's maybe a little strong to what Don was thinking and maybe something else I agree with you Don the language is too strong I I believe that Don in a resolution stating that we support wearing a mask better than a mandate saying you must wear a mask some sort of resolution stating that we support it as a select word but I don't agree with a mandate or an executive order so let's do this the Vermont Department of Health recommends that all Vermonters wear cloth face coverings when outside the home helps spread the COVID-19 so why don't we I think we can use that wording there and we support or we I think second line it's on the second line whereas the Vermont the public of health recommends that all Vermonters wear cloth face coverings when outside the home I think all we need to do is support that statement right I agree so it's not mandatory but maybe the more counts select weren't as it advises supports the recommendation I held by the Vermont Department of Health yep something along that line Don I know that to cover you and John I think one more thing I think that one of the things that Vermont is working on is just Vermont is going to accept what we want to we have so many and we have a lot of them because when you go upstairs and they're going to go on the floor and I think that has to be some final more than just a suggestion when you're going to go upstairs I think that if you can cover in an hour go on the second floor to wear a mask unless they're behind that shield I know that they don't always do it but that is a requirement so you know and obviously they do have a sign on the door about the recommendation of the patient I don't necessarily like the word manager either because I know that it cannot be you know cannot be important but I think Vermont has been a recommendation well stronger than a recommendation is a requirement John they have a sign on some of our establishments that they're going to say they're going to have to help people they have to wear a mask coming in to a store or a post office or a bike express and we're just going to say out of sign I already know that we're going to have to sign you know so we're ready to talk about them once in a store or I think any establishment I'm just pointing that out we're not sure there's more how to say to them than to get them to sign you know well the other scouts seem to have a sign a mask you know having people do overshadow the sign they don't have to own a store I was just trying to myself why I made that suggestion just to try to walk the fine line saying hey wear a mask for everybody everybody's well-being what does it take to come in to the store don't get in your car and go do what you're doing I don't know how you can get people to do it you know can we feel the people's common decency and respect for others come out I feel that if people aren't wearing masks now they're not going to wear a mask I mean we've been in this long enough there's a certain segment that are just not going to do it and we can put up signs and hear the industry and they're not going to follow it that's just the way it is and I don't I just don't see how much more we can do the message is clear it's out there people know they should be wearing masks whether they believe it or not and I don't think there's nothing we can do to convince them any more than that Ray I think you make some good points because when you go out now there's either people who wear masks or don't there's really not a question deciding to do it anymore either you have a glove compartment full of masks or you're just not going to do it I really do see the scientific evidence behind it it's good but as I'm listening to everyone and I just don't know what good it is going to do one way or another but we do have people in the community that are vulnerable to the virus high-risk people so yeah I don't know how do you appeal to that it's the patriotic thing to do you can tell them that but posting a sign at the store that says it's mandatory that the John Gallagher's in the world are not going to pay any attention to that you say, as stateers need to wear masks coming in well that can be said don't you just do it as a not a revolution or as a force wearing masks in town or something is it all is it all I mean I think I think if you use words like mask order as opposed to mask mandate you know it's stronger and some of the language that's used in the war on you know or policy I would just like to see our town take a stand on it some degree of course of a mask wearing policy something like that you just be good at something strong I'm reading again this is a requirement to wear masks to wear face coverings what if we when that encouraged managers that the most public health and safety well-threatened that's in line and I mean if you said stuff like that's fine it's the policy of the more kind of force that anyone can use to wear a mask okay something must wear a mask what else has so John you're saying in placing the word must should should there and following the recommendation of the Vermont health department the select board recommends that all the monitors wear face coverings following the recommendation of the Vermont Department of Health is to call to the town of Moore Town that anyone any member of public entering a business located in the town of Moore Town anything that's open to public is shown so forth should wear a face coverings now therefore that's where the issue is to find COVID-19 following not just order but mask wearing policy COVID-19 mask wearing policy COVID-19 mask wearing policy following the recommendations of the Vermont health department any member of the public entering a business located in the town of Moore Town that will be open to the public or a town building should wear a face covering over their mouth and knows that it's consistent with the Vermont department of health's guidance exactly I think that's it sounds correct I like that better than one I like that better I like to I think I need to see it in writing officially but I think I can support that based on what it sounds like can you read it again please Salson did you write that down as I said that some of it following yeah I got that done I'm just trying to remember what we said here COVID-19 mask wearing policy following recommendations of the Vermont department of health recommends that all the monitors wear what was the first part COVID-19 mask wearing policy COVID-19 mask wearing policy of the Moore Town is that we follow the recommendation of the Vermont health department any member of the public including the business located in the town or town that would be altered to the public or town and building should wear a face covering over their mouth and knows that it's consistent with the Vermont department of health's guidance not that deep part of any public space including town on property no no no include everything else include that stuff and any real work that can include everything else and I'm sorry I didn't continue reading but that would be the only thing I think that would change where it says require I think it should require should is that done work for you yeah I think that would work Callie what do you think yeah everything that I said plus be on be and everything after feet as well but and as we get down where it says require a face mask we would replace that with should and you can still say by order the Moore Town we don't even have to order we're not ordering have to do it but it is in order okay but I don't think we have to I mean I think it works when the people are outside you know that when people are outside you're taking a fix for existence the transmission risk is very low so is there outside when you stop there I feel it's keeping a distance then I wouldn't recommend people no and that's not it says that in one piece it says that in one piece so yeah I think that's taking care of Callie in one piece where you can't make social distancing guidelines is when you again should wear a mask not that you have to but again but if they're out playing their sports or doing whatever whatever that I'm sure there's enough guidelines in their sports and such but we don't need to get into that so what we'll Dr. we'll write it up and then we'll all get on together well I think I'd like to get this taken care of so I think the worrying again it'll be now for let me just be resolved that the select board issues the following COVID-19 policy COVID-19 face mask policy starting July 50th July 25th any member of the public entering a business located in the town of Moortown that will be open to the public or town building should wear a face covering over their mouth and nose consistent with Vermont Department of Health guidelines on face coverings it'll it might be a little bit different we might have following the Vermont Department of Health guidelines the Moortown face covering policy is and that'll be just what I just ran yeah I think that that would be that's a good opening line following the Vermont Department of Health recommendation that all Vermont is wearing face coverings for COVID-19 I think that's a good opening line and then you go on to be resolved yeah so that not going to do all these other sections of what Warren has recommended all the ones where they don't want to just wear right I think we'll leave it if you could start out with where as consistent with the governor's stay home I don't think there's anything in there that's that is forcing anything on anyone and then yeah I'm sure yeah all right so I move yeah you could do the wearer attitude and then there could be resolved you know you bet the four and you know what's that Don I do one A to B and then two and three and just make sure you say should as opposed to required or not all right so John you want to move on that I will move back yeah all right as we just talked about Don watches seconds is there any other discussion explanations anyone needs clarifications on the motion all in favor what are we supposed to do are they opposed to as you know on number three and what we've talked about is doing one two and three poster requirement each cover establishment must post signs at the entrance at other appropriate locations in the members of the public should wear face coverings when by the order of the More Townsville board I kind of just something about 14 days and it's meant to be for that you look at the number of the third one down whereas the 14 to his executive order on May 15 2020 which includes in paragraph three the following authorizations municipalities the legislative body each municipality may enact more strict local requirements regarding mask use and those set for hearing that super scenes well I have one question I agree the members of the public should wear face coverings okay wait now about the signs at the entrance of appropriate for now business will put this up and they should be you can't so they want to post this and not will that stand up now because each now Don because each business for the public requirement it says your establishment must post signs okay that members should wear face coverings that must be right and Don everyone if you own a business that's your you can have any requirement that you want you don't need the state or the town so you can have you can kick anyone out of your store whatever you want they don't want people with face masks that's their their choice you know I understand I just didn't want to all of a sudden be complicated for a store or not like a lot of stores that now they've had signs today you know store now all of a sudden saying you should you know that person now you know I don't know that business owner putting them in a spot you know I can't imagine and if it is they'll let us know if anyone if any business owner really has a you know hard time about it they can come in and they can come before us and they can make an argument against it yeah I have a question alright any other questions Callie anything else still there so the motion is from John or be resolved that the select board follows the Vermont Department of Health guidelines that for face covering starting July 25th 2020 any member of the public entering a business shouldn't in the town of more town open to the public or a town building should wear a face covering with them out as it's consistent with the Vermont Department of Health guidelines on face covering and then the rest of the paragraphs should wear a required is second by Don so any other questions all in favor vote aye aye John yeah that as I said just yeah yeah so John what's your vote John your vote please done alright so that's five the motion has passed unanimously and I'll help you in the wording with that thank you everyone I think that will appease everyone you'll probably send out the product before you actually post it that's correct we'll send something out tomorrow so everyone can take a look at it just to make sure that everyone was clear on what we were voting on alright so Cheryl Linn is not going to talk about the tax rate tonight the state has not finished up with the school tax so she's going to let us know when she gets that and that'll be any day so once that that happens I'd like to do a virtual meeting within a couple of days of finding that out so we can set the tax rate because as you know as soon as we set that maybe get the tax bills out and we can start getting in much needed revenue so expect an email in a text or something there will be a fairly quick turnaround and you'll be provided with kind of where we're sitting and how we're coming up with the tax rate right now it looks like it'll be a little bit above last years but we're still working on things one thing I would recommend to everyone is you're thinking about the tax rate and going back and looking at the town report is things are going to be pretty tight as we knew going in the sidewalk was going to be a little bit over as far as what the first estimates were and what the grant was so if it's anywhere that anyone can recommend or see some savings that you freeze on spending that's what we will be talking about at that meeting as well because I think we really need to tighten our belts up I went through I looked at the budget I just don't see where we can but more eyes on it maybe there are programs or things that we can perhaps put off so can you talk about that please Don he did a good job thank you Don for being at that meeting on the bridge closure if there's any questions for Don now is a good time to come up with them or Don did you have any other suggestions I did hear that being that you're going to jump it up and say oh yeah I'm happy to put some savings up on the phone if I'm on my own right now but I think only coming out of that like I said they are going to look into maybe how they might work and they're going to sign the house back out on the move too because we're all in there some sign places are we're going to have full electronics and then we're going to have wait until like I said the sheriff who is there to be high and for actual control on what the meadow road what the road wasn't going to do that with our grant as well and you know I can understand why they want to really bring attention to the detour you know that does seem to make sense I don't know maybe we should just get a couple of those signs for some of the folks who live on there you know that they drive because your kids live here or something maybe you know a lot of our grants or a few signs like that just for the folks who you know on the road to make a big deal out of the way for the sign up that's about it yeah I just sort of touched on that a couple months ago also I can revisit that with Senator Dwight because I didn't even think someone would accept it it's pretty complicated for the engineer to see him for the best that I've ever seen well well now he's not he's just with A or B you know I don't know who this child is maybe that's the name of the road you know yeah but one thing Don and John yeah I think you can go back to the state because Don is the contractor is going to do the least amount of the 10 for obvious reasons for cost wise where the state but the state can ask them and require more so John if you can reach out to Chris yep we'll go and I think the only other thing with the state maybe the guy I met with sorry I can't remember his name right now but he's like the local PM for the state it reminds them about it reminds them about I don't think they really thought about putting the sign to really I'll see what I'm going to do I'll just really with those contractors really come down to town it's going to be a real problem you know yeah John even when you talk about it John when you talk to him about that sign you know even be very blunt on those signs like you won't be able to turn around kind of stuff they use on the gap there and stuff it doesn't work that well there either but yeah so you can try that I'll reach out to both the state police and the sheriff's department and see what type of rates we can get I have to talk to Lieutenant once at the state police it was about a month and a half ago and he said wait till it gets closer and I just asked him to do more patrols there cost them spending money with the sheriff the state that's their job is to patrol these type of things and they've got thin budgets and they've got their people spread out you know we've requested that I will call again and see what happens there but and also I'll reach out to the sheriff I think it's Sam to see what they would do for us as well I'm not completely sure of this but I would think that the bridge contract has got a pay item in it for uniform and after officers that the state engineer I think it's Bill or Bill Richardson I think his name is can authorize chain-on to put a UTL out there through their contract without more talent getting involved at all I'm pretty sure there must be Yeah, yeah, do you think John did you hear that? No I did not So Sam, John is I think the bridge contractor has a pay item for uniform traffic officers that the state can authorize chain-on to hire and put wherever they think is necessary so I believe that I think that's the way we should go and more talent would be stuck with that bill at all That was the other thing that that happened was that I think I hit them up a month ago I asked them to try to click on the trailer I'll mention that too I'll mention that too Yeah, it's the same engineer for the bridge job for the paving job and their trailer is right over there on Cameron Road Right They're pretty They're good to work Yeah So I think I think it's just a matter of going down and talking to them and finding out if they can do that and I'm pretty sure that they can Alright, thank you guys One other thing that Cheryl in wanting me to talk to you guys about is an excavator loan and we can either go ahead and take it out of town funds and pay that back or we can go ahead and take it There's a three in a five-year rate that she has and I thought you could have this rate They're in the appropriate They're sticking out Yeah, the community bank Norfield Savings Bank and we can get a three-year at 1.97 or a five-year at 2.05% It was her recommendation that we go ahead with the five-year at 2.05% interest rather than borrow from the Savings Reserve and I think I like to have that liquidity so it would be my recommendation that we go ahead and finance the excavator through conventional funds I would second that motion Any further discussion on the motion to finance the excavator through the community bank Seeing or hearing then All in favor, vote aye Aye So now any reports, communications Callie, is there anything else that you would like to share with us tonight? I'm wondering about road signalling and how could we get a road sign more? What I noticed up in my area was the point department had doubled if not dribbled I'm staring to see a Jones road which is actually very bad through the top and right now it's all going to have some trees so all that can be spread So I don't know if it would make sense to look into the difference between renting the lower for the week that we do more cemented or we need to run to earlier or we need to look at potentially getting one to kind of knock some of these pieces down a little bit so that's people walking on the road people don't know what it looks like and they just clean it and lay it and cut it and burn it five years and you know, it's not going to cut as well so you know especially after the first time I don't know what's up I think that's a question that we can I'm not sure if there are people where it was but unfortunately there are people who think they're doing a good thing by pulling it out and pulling it into the road and in reality, just like Japanese motley, that's just spreading Yeah Any questions for Martin? As far as our timing when we should be hitting this and do we need to look at the potential down the road of a piece of equipment that can handle it you know, as an unneeded or unneeded basis I don't know what you would get Alright, I think that's a good suggestion Callie's sausage so if you could make sure that's in the notes so Martin look at that Anything else, Callie? No Alright, John, what else do you got? Well, let's see I already mentioned John Harold but when Neil was talking I mentioned that he had called me today too Anyway he's going to come by I think on Wednesday and share some things with me that I will bring back to the board but I was surprised he didn't mention an important timeline that if we wanted to act on requiring from the district I mean October is when the school board was thinking of voting on their timeline could include making more time five and six though so he was thinking that if we did act on anything that we would want to have a vote in November I just don't know if we can do that I don't know if they have enough time Well, I think we can, depending on what this what we think has happened, I think it may happen, but let's take a look at what the Harvard board is looking to vote at last time the recommendation I saw was they were looking at moving the Harvard 7th, 8th down and the only reason they touched more town was if there was dire financial straits Right, that's what appeared last year and that's what I said to Neil and he wasn't under the impression so I'll just let me know about it and we'll have an agenda item next time about it to discuss and we'll have Neil on so if everyone can you know, bone up on their Harvard stuff so we can have some discussion around that I thought I'd also like to be called me as well I was going to, I was going to say try to get a hand on but in the meantime I've tried to spend a little time on researching the whole thing about actually thick and how it came about and you know, where we were I was in for 20 years and I've been getting various information about about the whole process and about you know, why I mean, all of a sudden I was wishing our kids the Harvard, you know and just counting our elementary school and that impact and the amount of students versus, you know, it shows that the larger classes are better one class is a 20, that is a 5 and you're still paying teacher insurance and they're paying value and stuff and I think this whole process is all the dating but anyway it will be good to get to carry on with the discussion and I would just want to let you know I'm trying to add that I think that's important to have a good understanding and know what both sides are trying to accomplish and I think there's a lot of similarities out of what people want and just how they're all going about it is the problem or the difference but, all right John, Ray anything new with you? anything to share? all right and I think I've shared everything that I have as far as announcements Sasha, do you have anything for us? I have that letter that was submitted a complaint about the Listers response to okay, John just a minute let me just touch on what Sasha had passed the it was a complaint from Crystal Burwick about the Listers about being a little bit more available and so I will pass this on and I've got some things I've been trying to work with Mike and this is one more thing that we can discuss it's really a matter of communications we'll just make sure that that's happening on a timely basis so, John, what do you got? well, just real quickly before I have two things just great but could John just give us a little a little guide on how we do that? is that the right time for that? well, that's a little business but we can go ahead and go ahead yeah, let's first, I'd like to move down from Nick Monty and Nick Monty he's the supervisor the supervisor is finishing mainlines, lattice curve installations on Earl Road the sidewalk following he will set back and chill and start radius at school street the sidewalk through is sibling in and foreign between school sidewalk and the south for a total road starting today and this he's just got to be pre-allegable for the individual driver who has been notified of floor property owners and gave them notice but those floors are scheduled Wednesday and Thursday between Wednesday and Thursday this is the lead of the 90 foot stretch south of Collins ground property closed as we are waiting on Nancy for this exercise and we're going to have some more word on that the curving area of the control was past Sunday past Saturday and the curving is that by the way it's pretty much what I got from Nick hey John, have they gone back and fixed that first part that they poured the first week? did they do what? I think our plan was Tom that we were going to finish pouring our concrete down through then we're going to back up and we're going to be ready okay yeah I just had incentive to what we're going to do is we're going to lower the curve there to have a less reveal they got a plan they have a plan and just to update you so there's still the issue there's a couple issues there wasn't no coordination between that we can see between that and Vermont AOT between their project our plans and their plans and so there was the pikes in town and they started shooting grades and they were not happy with a lot of things particularly the curve grades and we had to make it pretty clear to them that we notified them we've been on the job site since June basically and we went through all the motions to try to get AOT and everybody out here everybody got on the same page so we went into this situation and they for some reason never did but whatever I think the bottom line is there's been some back and forth between Lambert Dickinson TPI, Pike us we're trying to work out these grade differences without us having to go back and do extra work because you know Dickinson basically their grades so I think the only the only big issue right now I think is down by Eugene's place there's around 60 feet of curve in which I've been told there was a bust in the grades on the plans and it was corrected but it's still not working I'm going to look at it tomorrow I think that may be the only place where we may have to go back and redo 50 feet of curve and are not so Pike is not going to adjust the thickness of the pavement like I said Pike is going to adjust the state didn't want to pay for the extra pavement basically and I pretty much told him that the town expects a 6 inch reveal through the town you know with a few variations we don't want to get this project all done and see curve reveal from 3 to 8 inches it would look terror right and they said well you're going to have to lower your curve and I said we're not lowering the curve you guys are going to have to add more pavement whatever if the curving is in you've got to build to the curving and the curving is to the grade that was established so I think I think that has passed there was a time where they thought they were not going to do that I don't understand how they would do that even with the catch basins there because it's all engineered together so how would you have to go back and move catch basins if you wanted to at least adjust the elevation so I think it's all going to work out I think it's all going to work out but it's been sort of a bad and we still have the issue about the additional catch basins right away issues that needs to be signed before we can go forward with it even though it's such a minimal piece of work it seems like it's cost more for lawyers fees just to get the paperwork unfortunately well the problem is that catch basins is full of boilerplate agreement it's basically the property owner turned over all of Australia and that piece of property didn't expect that it almost that it's going to be reimbursed for that piece of property and you know Cheryl and I took a look at that and decided that this didn't work and rather than going to his own water and we felt that it would make sense to have Ron take a look at it and how was willing to agree to work with Ron so you know I mean from day one you know both Pat and I knew how difficult how long it would be and I mean he has a right to it's his property and we are going outside well outside of the right way on his property and and I might also point out that you know luckily L&D is only going to charge us $110 for the survey that has to be done on that piece and so on and I'm not going to be charging up on any of these other corrections you know the time does have to come out and so on and make other corrections so I'm kind of pleased with that okay the other thing if one of you guys could touch on as far as the project the gas tanks and I know there was a change order on that one of you guys, John maybe tries to talk about that well the first thing the one thing I did is Chris spent over the signed copy you know with you know an explanation of the expenses and the last sentence he has down rather than $15,000 $100 let's see, $130 he has $15,000 that was an extra free on there so if you move the cost so I did send that back to him so that we need to have that change but that Cheryl was really confident she did so good in my acting now she took care of that and you know she said basically it's going to be between the state and SD comm we're not going to have to get involved with if SD comm it's going to have to pay us I just wanted to make everyone work because that was a $15,000 change order right eventually that's going to be pushed and I can't see how SD comm could not pay us to have property yeah they haven't said no yet but at least that's my opinion so until they do we'll consider them good neighbors anything else on that project guys I think that's it yeah that's it all right Don what else did you have well so along the lines of that project and I'm just going to throw this out there and you all think I'm snap but it wouldn't be the first time I'm just wondering if we could all consider the people who live in the village you know from one end to the other certainly being impacted by all this work and time and I'm just wondering whether you want to connect being great helpful and we all know it's life it's battle solutions not Missouri and all that so I was just wondering maybe at the end of the project I don't know if there's any funds in the project but we could maybe get everybody to kind of flower into something you know we have two we have farm health flowers on 100D to supply and all that and so maybe then get the county with you know it would be a nice gesture all the folks were living through trying to find something with the dust and the noise anyway something to think about yeah and that's what I was are we going to try to have two we need is that still being thought about or we're not going to do that I believe so but probably it's going to be the other way yeah so we originally when we started the teleconferences that was where I was headed and then it was pointed out with some security issues and stuff that this might be a better idea as far as the teleconferences I think going forward I'm all for I do you know one or two zoom conferences a day myself so something a medium I'm comfortable with it sounds like everyone else would be willing to take that on as well it's it's very easy to just download an app so we can certainly do that Ray I know you like meeting as a group here I don't mind being here so I think we can do a little bit hybrid if you will and if you come in and do that we could each have a computer or a phone in here so everyone can hear and see each other fairly clearly or Ray we can just do it from home I mean it doesn't yeah I mean I'd like to see at least one try to have one group meeting and maybe one zoom meeting you know I wouldn't mind trying the zoom meeting I just think even this sort of group we have tonight I think is to me I get a lot more out of the meeting can really focus on the town work when we're all in a group versus over at a conference for my standpoint so but I'm willing to work with we'll try to zoom and do a meeting where ever you know whatever you want to do alright we'll plan on zoom and whether it's 100% of us from home or whether it's a hybrid but next meeting we'll have that available for all so can I do with my a lot of companies to bring up a couple other things yeah sure go ahead do you have some time yeah go ahead John go on one of the other items that's been mentioned to me is people on the other side of the street you know the sidewalk whatever it was was bad enough before but it's really bad now oh it's going to be really bad and I think we're going to dress up somehow because we're looking for another two years if we even build it so anything would help well how much is that how much is that how much of that is left right now it's hard to say because they're going to go through a mill I think starting tomorrow I think if you're going to do something on this side that Pike could do something pretty easily you know if it's a little patchy or whatever I think that's where you have to deal with Pike on that I don't know how the whole thing works they have Pike through their state engineer seems like something could be done over there pretty cheap at this point hey guys would you guys agree if Ray is willing to if we ask him to reach out to the AOT and the Pike engineer and maybe that can be all milled out or the concrete taken up and then asphalt put down and you can paint it over so it's designated a bike lane or a walking lane Ray what do you think if it's going to require serious rating you know I don't think you're going to get a complete reconstruction but I think you'll be able to get from AOT some painting put in there so it'll somewhat match the new pigment and they say have a striking air a fog line in there where it's better than it was you're not going to get a complete reconstruction although I don't like that you can set them out see what it is and then even if we have to maybe spend a little money because it is it's horrible and it might be for a few thousand dollars to have it taken care of because like I said John it's going to be several years before the sidewalks and yeah I think at the end of the day say again I think it'll be sorry no what were you saying John I'm going to say I think it'll be one of a thousand dollars but we should certainly think of it John right yeah well remember it certainly cost more of that to reconstruct them but there's some work already being figured in so if we can get them to throw some in and do some let's just see what we can't do with them and at the end of the project I agree with both of you gentlemen everyone in town has been really good I haven't had any complaints we've had some homeowners, the people right next to the fire station who have been more than exemplary they just take out their bushes and such so we haven't thanked them so yeah I think there's something we can do and we'll plan on doing something at the end so yeah anything else John yeah just how often do you keep that just a good moment and quickly talk about that you can bring it up I'll just say we did get a couple responses back from committees and there being no interest so far has anyone else heard any different or did you love them well we got the meat gallery that said she responded and then we have two folks put up a road page and I understand from the library there'll be two folks from there and I've talked to Johnny Summers who is thinking about it as a citizen in town and I've also talked to Baldwin Wood and Karen Wood that they were helpful not to show how much time they could spend but they would be willing to talk to him in brainstorming so I mean it might be something to start off with a small group and then see how we could get it to be your committee or what we could organize to have four in the future to get people together to talk about yeah no I think it's a whole village you know as long as I wasn't aware but I get so many responses back because I was looking at the people who said no so yeah you can get something if that's why not between now and next meeting you and I talk about it and figure out what type of meeting you want to have and then next meeting we can do that the other thing go ahead so now from L.A. I'm going to talk to today I'm not sure if it's for your own but I talked to Mark he's a he's a volunteer and he does a lot of figure out a lot of finance and stuff but the one who shows it is a really good PowerPoint this is something that we can work on and actually have either be on budget or meeting and going on I mean it's a 2021 kind of activity that we can get to work on or prove to make connections I just wanted to give you that I saw that thank you yeah and he's happy to come to a meeting or you know talk to him some more if there are any questions we have etc etc my only my only maybe a slide I guess is the fact that they were asking the same from us as they are faced and Wayfield when we're paying for handling service you know, health care you know Iran we can talk to them about that yeah exactly yeah and actually I think it was a little touch you get up for more because $215,000 for each one that's not much you know it looks like before we pay a lot here and by more than you know well you know it's a volunteer with the other party right you know that's why our cost is different yeah but maybe we can look at that John and kind of like we do with the other and what's stuff is look at it per capita or something like that and it's a lot how many of you have been talking about people parking swimming and that old access and swimming pool back there and vampire and I said well maybe if I could find someone who's willing to donate their design time we could take a look at what could be possible so back to the front so I'm wondering how we could you know bond and for Ray and I designer and Martin could need to do a quick walk around or something to think about throw it up there I'm going for a reunion yeah I think that would be good I think those are the people to get involved and find out when's good for your architect friend who is it by the way you want to share that it's a it's a it's a it's a oh wash oh yeah yeah I mean we can set up a time if you want to work with him to set up some times and give us you know a few different choices you know early morning we would be happy to do that yeah okay so isn't that everybody on the board you and Ray we actually want me and Ray and me and Ray can report back it would be fun John's been enough on the shoulder we'll hear from our husband yeah just send it to Ray and I yeah welcome Ray and you yeah Ray and me I wasn't going to correct you yeah Ray and me that's right send it to me so it would be Ray and me alright any other new business or old business that anyone wants to check I can report before we do a new business and another you can't shoot me because I'm on the phone but I can give you though John I just wanted to go back and one of the things and you know my community and all this and the most writing policy is to be careful on the usage of word and not to make things mandatory and I was trying to overload just the word that's why I came up with should but just listen to this I mean you've got things like must versus should will versus shall I think shall is a little bit stronger than should but it's not a will or a must we think we could amend that to use the word shall instead of should well I don't know that that motion is made and voted on and at this point guys I think why don't we just and John I appreciate the the play on words but should we'll give it I think that's all we need to do and I can see you know so if you don't mind that I'd rather not open that up or next meeting if you want to bring it out again you can do that but at this point I think I'd let it go live okay and let in again that's me speaking if there's any other strong will to go back and revisit that I'm willing to but at this point I think we spent quite a bit of time on it and we'll be getting our point across you set John with that you all right all right so let's if there's any other old business about any new business well that being the case I've moved to adjourn did you do the minutes no we have not so thank you Ray so Ray do you want to I would like to recommend our motion for the minutes of what day July 6th 2020 John who seconds any concerns, questions, thoughts all in favor of what I I I John okay checking all right thank you very much so again you know whether new business or old business moved to adjourn motion to adjourn all right Cali seconds all in favor of what I I all right I good night everyone