 Check it, check it, check it. It's a unique hostess, your boy, E.C.O. And I'm here with the lovely official, Miss Jamaica. What's going on? Well, gone. Hey, man. So when I first started podcast, man, I said, you know what? Man, I got it. I got to try to hit the core. But the stuff that make Dallas what it is, man, the things that make Dallas pretty much the that the grinders in Dallas, man, say, man. And I kept on. I went through a couple of people. I said, man, I got to get a little run in on this show, man. And guess what, man? God is good, man. Little run is here, man. What's up, bro? You feel me? What's happening? Save, man. It's good to see you manifest this. It's easy. Man, I've been. Hey, I've been asking for you ever since we started it up. I appreciate every sense. I'm like, I got to get that boy, man. It's a couple of my, I know a little people, no, a few people. I said, no, people. Yeah, I said, no, look, I can get him. You got the right name. And then we ain't, we ain't burning no bridges. We fresh. Yeah, you got the right name. It's like, like forever. So we have to treat people right. You know what I mean? So we thank you for coming on this show. I'd love to have me. Boss talk 101, man. Boss talk 101. Say it's going down. We talking with the bosses, man. So, hey, I'm going to start off by saying what I always say, man. Just give us a little spiel on who you are because, hey, everybody going to be seeing this. So who you are? And just kind of give us just a rundown. What's going on? If I go by the name of the running mother, if you feel what I'm saying, your favorite bowhead hoe, you dig what I'm saying, the undergo himself, you feel what I'm saying. Used to have a high top nine. Ain't there no mode. But hey, man, um, I'm from Dallas, Texas. You feel what I'm saying? I've been putting groundwork in probably here, heavenly, for like 15 years. Yeah, yeah. Since I was a kid, like when I had teen on my name. Yeah. Like on my age. You see what I'm saying? Yeah. So everybody out here know me. I can't lie. I can't fake. Like, hey, everybody watch me grow. Me. So that's really the beauty of it. Like I'm comfortable. I'm happy. You can tell. Yeah, you can tell. The process. I got, I actually got to see the process. I'm still in it. You feel what I'm saying? But I got to see what I've done thus far. And it's like, man, it just made me happy to know that if God gave me 10 more, 20 more years, I know what type of things I can do in that timeframe. When I was doing it this time, I didn't know. Yeah. You see what I'm saying? 15 years ago. Yeah. But do you use some of that knowledge to help the younger generation that's coming up? Of course. Of course. You have to. Yeah. But what I've learned with the younger generation is. Some of them don't want to listen. It ain't they do it. They don't listen to it. They don't listen to it. It's just what it is. They ain't naive. That's just like me. But a lot of them, you know, the ones post-win go win regardless. Because it's so crazy because we've had people come on here who are the younger generation and say that the older generation did not take them under their wings whenever they were at the heights of their career at that time. So, and they couldn't understand why. Because that's the time when they wanted all that advice to know, OK, don't do this, sign this, don't do that, you know? Right. I don't know. When you get into those type of situations, I feel like I learn through them. Yeah, yeah. You know what I mean? Some of those situations you actually have to learn through. That's a part of the process. You learn in any situation you go in. Whether it's paperwork. When you go to paperwork with somebody, hopefully you're trying to educate yourself on what you're doing over there. That way whenever you're not under the paperwork, or if the paperwork puts you in a different position, you can put your people in position. You understand what I'm saying? They don't have to go through the same channels you went through because you already got the information. You can come out with the information. That's why a lot of people always say it's always great to have a team. But then to me. Big top out of business. Y'all see my little niggas. I don't even know. You know, I've been checking all that out. You know, Push Man Live, they coming through here. And they just did a video here on Sunday. They just, hey, can I come through? I'm like, yeah, man, come through. I don't care. Boys make me proud. They look up to you too. The way you do things, the way they be, they are my dogs. They been there from day one. They see how, hey. They know, hey, I'm giving out as much information as possible. I was about to tell you, we talk all the time. And he wanted more than just trying to soak. I was just about to say that he's soaked up all that information. And he's so sweet. Oh, that's my dog. I met the nigga in the mall in North Park. We were just walking and we just started talking. That's how he ended up first. So he won the first guess because we were just talking and walking and all of a sudden this other girl, the one came Kalise, the one that came over. She smiled and she looked, when she walked by, she didn't smile at me, nigga, I'm old. You know what I'm saying? And then I was like, okay, well, I said, man, what's up? He's like, nah, man, I'm good. And so when I was walking to the car, after me and him had chopped it up, I was like, okay. When I get to the car, she parked by me. I said, hey, she said, I write books in this right here. I said, well, you were looking at my little nigga. You know, I'm talking crazy. Yeah, yeah, yeah. She's like, nah, he looked like somebody. I said, no, no. I said, you were feeling it. I bought my boy. Both of them came on the show. That's hard. It's organic. She wrote books. You gotta understand, when certain people call me, you feel what I'm saying? And they put that in my ear, I'm coming. You see what I'm saying? Like they want me to call, like I've already built that stigma. I built that, please don't call me for BS. Yeah, yeah, yeah. All my dogs know that. Yeah, you gotta be on time. Like when I told y'all I'm coming, I'm coming. You're coming. And she's on time. And on time. Him and George Lopez, they on time. G. Lopez is my job. He be here on Monday. Monday. Yeah, yeah, he always be on. He frequent in this stuff. All my dogs, G. Lopez. Same, man, you know God is good, man. He been open the doors, man. Really they're one of the pinnacles in the city, man. They been coming through. And I'm loving this here right here, man. Cause I know it's gonna work out, bro. And the thing I, you said 15 years while ago, we talking 2005, 2004. And he look so young. Dude listen, man. That's right, 30 this year. Bro. You know what I looked you up? You a July person. Yeah, July. I'm a cancel. All three of us July, right? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. All three of us July. We the best. I wanna ask you what we're going on in 2005. That's not going on now. I know things. School. I was in school. I was a kid, bro. Like I had no responsibilities or nothing. It was a lot going on. You loved music. It was, my love for music grown. You see what I'm saying? So that's when I figured it out. I figured out I wanted to do music. I liked how my voice sounded on Wags. Now I'll say maybe 2010 is when I figured out that okay, it's a business. Like you gotta, this is really, you can eat. You see what I'm saying? That's when I started tightening everything up. And then just from there till now, it's really just been steam. I've been going, I get it. But let me ask you a question in the beginning. You knew, you had confidence in yourself, but sometimes it takes somebody who is already there to turn around and say, you know what? You got talent. You can get somewhere. Was there anybody for you who did that for you? Oh, when I came in the game, I came in the game under some OGs. You did, you know what I'm saying? Family life juju and Urban South poop. That was my manager in the label I was under. So I had got a lot of game from them dudes. You did, you know what I'm saying? Coming straight in. And I'm fresh off the press trying to get it. So who found you? I mean, what you mean who found you? No, because you know how you can be so discovered. Who discovered you? I can't say nobody discovered me because even prior to me doing business with Family Life and Urban South, I was already doing memes of views. I just was trying to show up in my blades. Because I had already seen the foundation they had. They was doing with J.R. Patton at the time. You see what I'm saying? Yeah, yeah. I was like, I need some type of structure. Like I understand all of this, but I need the structure now. So that's when I went over there and did that with Family Life. You dig on saying that we family forever. Just learning that business and then I transitioned from Family Life. And then that's when I went and did business with Dirty Water Music Group. And I learned the scale of the structure of the business on a way bigger side. That's when I started seeing radio. I started being on TV. Like I started and I started understanding how that works. Yeah, yeah. You see what I'm saying? Everything you do be dope, bro. Even when Earl Spence came out to your music, I don't know how that happened. But it set the pace for everything, for Dallas. Dallas, I believe that made Earl, he was already big, but I believe that just gave the unity. Yeah, for sure. I'm being real. But he told me he was coming out too. He said, when they get his first title fight, that's the record he's coming out to. And then it came out and performed. He came out, he moved fast. Because where he was at, they was throwing them cakes at him. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. But I just appreciate that so much. Man, I'd never forget it. That's something that stuck out to me when we went to America. And he's still on the field. That was his first belt. So I'm a part of his legacy, as well as he a part of my life. So that's so dope. And me, you know, Earl went to see the hills. So I know Earl when we was way back in the gap before he really even started doing the Olympic training and stuff, so that's my dog. I haven't never got to meet Earl. Me and Thomas, we rocked him. He a good dude. You know Thomas, right? Who was Tommy? Thomas, he be with him a lot. Tommy's my guy. Yeah, that's my guy. Me and him, we always just chopping it up and he be with his son like you. And me and him, I'll be like, he'll say something sometime. I'll be like, dawg, don't be doing that. You don't need, I'm older. So I'm like, I had to check one of the bloggers today. Like, hey, man, don't do that. We don't do that. We love, it's love. Love, yeah. And don't tell people they got to do this or that. Just show them in love that this is how you got to do it. For sure, for sure. You gotta take somebody to do that because sometimes we don't get to think of it. You gotta pull them back in, bro. Yeah, for sure. But at the end of the day, he was like, nah, you know, we get right back to talking about the father and son cause I got kids and stuff. And I see how y'all, they give us a bad stigma. We got some good fathers out here, man. And you know, and I'm just looking at you, man. And this will make me, I'm an engineer. So I be hiring people. And I look at like a lot of times be brothers and single men, I hired them in a heartbeat. For sure. Because I was like, man, this brother doing this on his own or my co-host there who love kids, like it does something for me to see a good father just being a man and trying to be a good father. That's my son right there. That's tough. Yeah, yeah. So, you know, that's how I go down, man. We gotta do it because it gives us such a bad, you know, bad stigma, man. When I see people out here that ain't handling that business, I'm like, man, how can you look over yourself again? Right. Like that's you. Right. Look, you're just going to neglect you. You tripping. You tripping. But a lot of the time it'd be self stuff going on with people, man. You know, a lot of these people need, you know, help too, so. And a lot of them, they scared the ass for that help. Like, man, if you want to be in your kids' life, man, you know that you ain't financially done, man. You need to be trying to draw in as much help as you can, man. Yeah, was your father in your life? For sure. Yeah, see, that makes a difference. Oh, that makes a huge difference. My father was in our life. He died, but when he was here, he was definitely in our life. And that's so funny because a lot of men, a lot of men who end up doing that to their kids is because they didn't have a father in their lives. And sometimes as a kid, they'll grow up and say, I'm never gonna be like that. I'm gonna be there for my child and still turn around and not be there for their child. You know what I mean? Some people call it generational sin, but I do find some that are there for their kids and end up being overcompensative towards their kids because they didn't have it. You know what I mean? I balance pretty good, don't I? You do a great job. I mean, because you gotta think about it, like, you know, two is better than one. Three-fold card, not easily broken. So when you got, like, we got a 13-year-old and a 15-year-old, and I got my older kids, but. I can't wait. Until they're older enough to get it. Enjoy it, enjoy it. I'll enjoy it. Have them quick, bruh. The reason I'm enjoying it is because I already get that portion that y'all was saying because he was smaller than that. Yeah, yeah, you see it. You see what I'm saying? He was smaller than that. And then you just, ugh. And two kids are never the same. They're not gonna be the same. They're never the same. Them two are not gonna be the same at all. They're gonna be totally different. They're gonna be tripping. You got them at the same ages. We did ours. Ours are two years apart. 18, we've been together 18 years and we got our kids in their 15s. They don't need to be the same. And they do not even come to each other. I'm implementing two different things in a boy and a girl. That's just what it is. Have y'all already known it's gonna be a girl? It's a girl, it's a girl. That's what's up? What's up? Congratulations. Thank you, thank you. So you done? I'm done. I'm done. Unless I talk, next time I get another platinum record, I'm dropping another baby. Maybe twins. Watch out now. I don't care, I got twins in my family. You do? Hey, I got twins in my family for sure. That's what's up. In the bloodline. We do too. It can most definitely have happened. So let's get to the music, man. So you a master with the pen. Nigga, I've already been looking at some things. He write all his music? He write not only heels, he write another people's too. He's good. I don't know if he gonna disclose all that, but I know he do a lot of work. And that's a blessing to be able to even do that, bro. Man, it's the biggest blessing out here. Yeah, cause, and you don't have to be on the forefront when you do it that way. Man, you get to watch the budget. You get to watch the videos. That's what I'm tripping on. That's what I'm tripping on. And you get to check for everything. Everything, mm-hmm. I get to check and get to sit on your little ass at the house. That's it, that's it. Ain't nothing wrong, I'm telling you. Ain't nothing wrong with that. Which one do you prefer? You prefer rapping or you prefer just writing? My love for music is will always be there. So I always make the music and then God have blessed me with the career I have where the runny is his own entity. But runny right when he writing and doing his own thing, like I go in for the kill, like I try to get these folks hits that I don't even have. You see what I'm saying? Cause I know that it's gonna be blessed with a bigger budget. I know that, you know what I'm saying? These are, these people I'll be writing for, we having that major label, that major button. Baby, Iggy Ozilian. Man, like, yeah. That's heavy. Heavy. I watched him spend 300K on one video. Who is the biggest artist you've ever written for? Probably Iggy. Iggy. Okay, that's heavy. Gotta be Iggy. Yeah, gotta be Iggy. Iggy, Iggy. It went big down. Iggy stepped all the way up when she went in the game. She kicked the doughy and they ain't gonna lie now when you look at the numbers, it's crazy. Oh yeah. It's crazy. How many songs do you have that you've written that you sitting on right now? I don't even know. You just write all the time. It's not even necessary to that. I record them. I leave references with like producers and whatnot cause the producers are the ones running around shopping the music. Yeah. So any of y'all artists out there, they always ask me, how do I get in the writing game? Like you can't approach another artist and say, let me write for you. Cause they, it's never gonna work like that. Okay, okay. You need to get with their producers. Get with the people that's already right there in that corner. That makes so much sense. And they already trying to find them a hit. So obviously they haven't done it yet cause they still trying to figure it out. So when you come in, you got a hook or you got just a concept or this that and the other. Man, get with the producer cause they gonna hear that and be like, oh, that's for you. They gonna know. They had it. That's how they is. They just get excited about it. Like, cause it's something they would have never thought of. Thanks for sharing that because a lot of people listen and don't know. I didn't know that. That's what this platform about. Like when you say stuff like that, it can help them to understand how to even make that happen, bro. And it's super simple. Like, or get with their managers. Like they get with their team. If you're somebody that you know you can write for or just another, don't mess with message to artists. Artists, they don't care about that. Mm-hmm. Like, especially on that level. At that level, they just trying to stay consistent and keep making hits. They stay on the billboards and like, it's a business from that point. That's why I get songwriting. I have to understand the position of everybody. Like, these folks is trying to stay on top. They can't miss right now. So that's why they ain't writing their own stuff all the time. They need extra minds. They need extra brain, extra concepts and things of that nature. Cause they gotta stay up there. They there. Yeah, yeah. How hard is it to stay on top? As a, as one of those artists? Mm-hmm. Oh. Because to me, producing hit after hit, so many times you see one hit wonders or people come up with something that's banging and then all of a sudden you can't see them anymore and you're like, what happened? A lot of times that goes with, that goes with the business. I, okay, I can put, I can draw a fine line, a fine print between a lot of things. A lot of artists have a big record. Like, take for instance, if it's your, if you drop a record right now, right? Mm-hmm. I'm just gonna use the example. You drop a record, it go crazy. Right now, off the muscle, your first song. Mm-hmm. You skipping this right here. You can, when you call to do an interview with somebody that got a number one Billboard record. Yeah. At this point, they're like, I'm not going over there. Mm-mm. So here they are now, when that record, cause every record cools off. That's just what it is. You have a hot record. Yeah. Either it's gonna be a classic record or it's just gonna be one of those records that was hot in, oh, play the song from 2008. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And then you're gonna play one of those songs. So, but imagine you have just that crazy, not got the part. You're not running through doing all this stuff. You're gonna feel like this is underneath you. You see what I'm saying? Mm-hmm. And when it comes time for you to do that next record, you don't know where to go. Yeah, yeah. You don't skip, every radio, you don't skip all the people that matter. You don't have no foundation cause you don't, cause you don't blew up too fast. So I always say, I like to watch artists grow and slow cook cause then when they win, it's like people really like, like they get it. You ain't reintroducing, you ain't, you ain't walking in rooms introducing them. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's like they been there before, I'm just waiting on him. Oh, he got one? Ooh, they ready, they excited. That's how it works. So I always say, all right, man, you gotta go push through and do the groundwork. Touch every person you can touch on the way up cause y'all gonna be here. That's it. That's it. They gonna be there. That's it. It's a lot of us that's just gonna be here. So you saying communication is key. Like you gotta be able to deal with people well. That's what I see when I deal with all these people. For sure you gotta be a people person for sure. And I think that stops a lot of people from growing too. They don't know how to deal. Like we just met and talking and we get into it. And a lot of people can't do that, bro. They're not social. I'm telling you that right now. I know cause I done dealt with them. They can't, they don't know how to come across. So when you become one of them artists, either you're gonna be one of those artists and you're gonna keep like your energy. You keep making those undeniable records. You built that cult following. Or you're gonna be looking for another hit and you're gonna be stuck. And you're gonna be just, you're gonna be just stuck. You see what I'm saying? Because even before we did this podcast, right? When I go to shows, I look at a lot of things to figure out if I like an artist. Number one, if I go watch you and you're not working the stage because I might have bought a ticket where I'm over here on the side. I love, let me tell you, one of my favorite artists was a little Coojay because he would work that stage. He'll be from one side of the stage to the next side of the stage. I hated artists that only stayed in the middle. I'm like, what's up with us? We paid to come see you too but it'll stay right in the middle. I hated that, because you don't know how to work what you have. A lot of artists, you know, they come in, like I said, it'd be too early. You know what I'm saying? They didn't get to go in front of those crowds that don't know their music yet. Like the first time they performed was, everybody knew the song. So here we are now when they tell you, hey, you gotta start pushing some of these new records. You perform it and they don't know how to work the stage because all they know is the song that people knew. Like that's a blessing. It's always a blessing and a curse too. So a lot of people need to learn how to perform for sure. Yeah. For sure for sure. Man, you're a mastermind when it comes down to videos. I've seen, you do more creative videos than anybody I've even seen in Dallas. I wanted to ask about that too, because that was so awesome. The one you showed me was- I said, look at this video. Let me tell you. This one y'all watched. I'm not gonna say it up. Fuck it up. Oh, fuck it up. But I look, because to me when I'm watching it, I'm like, he needs to be in movies. That's the first thing I'm thinking about. That's what I'm working on now. Because that's what I wanted to ask him. Because you are good, really good in it. And just the special effects, it's not like one of these, you know when you watch these movies and especially when you saw the blood, I'm like, oh, that's fake blood. No, that blood looked like it was real. I was watching every little thing. It was expensive. And then I wanted to know, did you do your own stunts and all of that? Did you have to get trained for it? It's really like dance moves. Everything was on a beat. Nobody can see it because it was like, it might have been on a half beat, it might have been on the eight to the fourth, but everything was on a beat. All I had to learn was the steps. But I learned the steps a day before. Oh, really? But I had them listen. I had them a month before. I'm like, man, I'm gonna kill this nigga. I'm like, man, I'm not gonna be seen in this. How you did really good though? How many takes did it have to do though? We did a bunch of takes just because it was a fifth. We didn't mess up. When the cameras came on, we hit. Oh, okay. Oh, me and bro, we went trained together the night before. We went half speed. But when it's time to go that next day, first off, when we shot that video, it was probably 30 degrees outside. Wow. We was in Atlanta. So it was probably 30 degrees outside. I ain't had no shirt on or nothing. Like we had heaters out there. It was freezing. So we hit. We weren't trying to do it a million times. Yeah, we got to it. It looks so good. Oh, my ribs was hurting that night. That was a three day shoot. Did you really got hit? Did they really hit you? Oh yeah, we had to just to get that velocity of everything and to look right. Because you know how sometimes they be looking like, because I love martial arts movies. So when I see you do some of those, you know, I'm like, okay, okay. Yeah, I had to learn all that good stuff. And then once I learned to put my good sense on it, this is her Jail, one of the king. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I seen him when he come in. Yeah, so I was like, let me see who this is. Because I was like, okay, this is when I do things, it's out of respect. I keep it so secluded. For sure, did he even text me? No, he just showed up. That's good though. But you know, the thing I say, man, the videos, the other one I liked, that the one that Earl came out to, that video, is that resolution or is it resolution? Man. Resolution, that was a vibe. No, I liked it when you was like, you would just buy yourself at this house. Yeah, it was a vibe. I said, what is the easiest out here to sing? And it was, the song, just the way, I had to get to that money, you know that? Anytime you say something like that. Yeah. That's what I'm about. You know what I mean? Like this fit me real good. Easily. Yeah, yeah, that's real. That's one of those records I feel like just resonate with anybody. It was one of those records that I feel like with it being so simple. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's so simple yet complex. Like, that's what I be trying to figure out. Like, I really am a student of the music. Like, my girl tell y'all go crazy, like trying to figure out little pockets and things like that. Two things you don't see that really stick out to me. I don't know why I keep thinking about Pharrell cause I'm happy the way he just blew a pass, everything in the whole world accepted it. I keep thinking about that when you keep saying stuff cause that seemed like that's the way everybody would want to go to write that hit. We doing that. You know what I mean? Cause it's like, I'm happy just went boom. It was one of those. And Pharrell has built that catalog of that being a bad. But I didn't see a bigger record coming for Pharrell like that. Shit. I didn't see it. I didn't see it. But you're a writer so you're a musician man. Pharrell a dog. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Pharrell gave Miss School some of his best shit. Yeah, yeah, yeah. What? Pharrell a dog. Have you been going, have you? No. What shit, nominated for any of those? Like Iggy when she was done, when you wrote for her? No, no, but we got, we eligible for two gold records right now. Okay, okay. I just ask cause I know that still count. That's y'all together. Once you link it in like that, it's a whole vibe. I need guys to go over there and grab that. Go grab them records man. Go grab them gold records. They eligible man. So they get the plaques. So what's the best video to you that you think you've ever done? That I've ever done. I like to fuck it up. I like fuck it up just cause I remember when I came up with the concept. Yeah. So it was dope. It was dope how I came up with the concept. So you came up with everything yourself? For sure. Did you direct everything yourself? No, no, no. See I have a director. What I do is I let the director, I let everybody do their job. I just need them to know what I need. Okay. This is what I need. And how, even how I explain it. Half-Pyte didn't shoot that one. Half-Pyte didn't shoot that one. No, he didn't. Was that your host expensive? But he shot the one for New Year's resolution. Pyte shot New Year's resolution. But Pyte found the videographer. Okay. Cause this dude, they shot, fuck it up, he shot Thor and the Ass in the circle. He shot another one called Up in the Earth for me. That's crazy. The circle was a big song for you. Exactly. When I look at a video like that, and this is, you can even relate this to music, when you do so well and you come out with all of these special effects, how can you top it? How do you top it? Well he did top it. You just keep changing the concept, you know? Cause that right there was really a video. It was dark for me, you know what I mean? I feel like it was a real dark, how I wanted to do it, I wanted to be the villain. And that's what I did. Right. You know, I didn't want to be cliche. Cause you know, in every superhero movie they in, they ain't winning. Yeah, yeah. Like, okay. I even get tired of the house. But it's different, I loved it because it was different. Not like everybody regular, you know, music video. Goku died. Goku, the superhero died. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You hear me? It's a twist. Yeah, definitely. You gotta model there quickly too. So when you think about music, should I do top three now? Wait, I'ma do it with you. Or should I do it with you? I got another question. Okay, go ahead. I ain't saying nothing. Ask your question. Get your questions off. How did the pandemic affect your music and your money? That's a good question. The pandemic didn't affect any music. Because I saw 2020. I did, I made a song called On Pandemic. Because you had a lot of music still coming out in 2020. When I looked up your catalog, I'm like, he was still pushing out. It worked. I was going crazy. Right, I'm like... I felt like it was time to apply pressure. Cause other niggas gonna fall back. Everybody fell back. And you ain't vogue. See, the beauty of this type of business is, you know, we got everything in house. So I don't really gotta wait on nobody for nothing. Already, that's what I'm saying. That's the key really. You know, everybody that's around me, we've been building each other up. I can't say I built them up cause they don't help me. But I just so happen to be the front line. You see what I'm saying? At the forefront. But we've been together, they've been here the whole time. You see what I'm saying? How did that concert? I said concert the other night. Wonderful. And you know, we had all the new artists. You dig what I'm saying? The young artists, they got to feel that love. And that's what I needed them to feel. I needed them to feel that love. Cause, you know, sometimes you lose yourself going in these clubs that don't know you. And you jump in front of them and these folks ain't reacting. It ain't that they don't know, it ain't that they don't like it. It's just, they'd never heard this before. And the first time them hearing it, they don't want it to be in the club where they came to highlight females or they came to dance and do their thing. Like, all right, I don't want to be, no strange on stage screaming in the microphone. It almost got, you almost got to put on a perfect show to grasp these people. So we got to put them in front of people that came for them. Yeah. You see what I'm saying? And they felt nothing but the love. So I'm like, man, I said the same thing you felt. You feel what I'm saying? You got to go on stage and you got to block that out and you got to put that same energy on every stage. That's how I did it. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But how do you provide that energy on stage every single time? It's a job. How do Chick-fil-A people say, welcome to Chick-fil-A, oh my God, I gotta help you. It's a job. Like you gotta be in character. Because sometimes you have a bad day. Sometimes something could have, you could have had somebody who just passed away and you got to go on. I agree with you 100%. But at the same time, it's a job. It's a job. It is a job. When you stop looking at it as a job is when you, I'm gonna be real. I lost my grin today. You know, you done been mean to the wrong fan. You done slapped somebody and now you got a lawsuit. These folks, you seen it happen. Then it was probably bad just bad days. And you see how bad days happen when you're somebody that people looking at. Like I feel like you need to always understand that this is a job. If you was going to clock in for somebody that had a business or just another, it don't matter who passed. If you still clocking in and you ain't taking off, they don't want your energy in there bad. You need to come with your energy, right? It's a job. You still have to clock in. But not many people can do it because even for those places. And that's what you see. But those are the people that you, over the years, like I told y'all be here, you see them, you see them go. Go, yeah. Because they don't understand that it's a job too. And then by the time they figure out it's, oh, it's a job. They don't burn too many bridges. Now, okay, so what I was about to ask you was, little dude, you know, somebody coming up, they ain't in top off and they want to learn about music. You know what I mean? And they look at you and they say, hey man, how do I get myself out there? What would you tell them? The best thing I would tell them is do what I did. And what I did was, I didn't say nothing to nobody, I just studied. Okay. I watched how people moved. Okay. Watch what you're posting. Watch how you're posting, the times you're posting it. What's getting you traction? That's what's up. Let me try it. I try it, it don't work. I'ma try the next thing. What worked, you keep. What don't work, you throw it out. You keep going though. But how do you get seen though? Like, I'm a rapper and I want to get seen. I know my content is good. Do I just do my thing on YouTube? Well you can't say you're content good cause literally every artist thinks they're content good. Right, right, but do I keep doing my thing on YouTube, Instagram, pushing my stuff out there or do I go to like record studios? Do I find producers to say, hey, here I am. How does that work? I gotta do that. Yeah, that's just a part of the job. That's a part of the game. But that young dude might not even know that. Let me ask you this. I'ma do my top three because I'm gonna do it before I give the M over here. Top three artists of all time, man. Dead or Alive, top three. Top three. Any genre. She said any genre. See, that's what you gotta do. Cause look, people usually ask you like rap. Yeah, no, no. I'm just gonna give you some grace then. I got some grace. For sure, Michael Jackson. That's number one. His music is so flawless. His video is a movie. We get my, yeah, like he's a performer. That's it. You see what I'm saying? You can't take anything from like musically. Number two. Kanye. Kanye. Richest black man in America. But Kanye don't get enough credit for how he arranged music like he arranged music. He puts music in pockets and his mixing is like incredible. Number three. I gotta come with somebody new age. I'm gonna do Drake. Drake. You doing Drake? Yeah, I got it. Cause what? Why? His delivery is like flawless. Yeah, I like Drake. Like he never makes you cringe is what I'm saying. I hear music from people that even if I like them, I can get a cringy song. Drake know how to stay in a jamming pocket and not make you cringe. Like Future. Future knows how to jam every song consistently. Lil Baby has learned how to do that every song. Every song, that consistent song sound. So he said Michael Jackson, he said Kanye, and he said Drake. And Drake is still from Lil Wayne cause Lil Wayne really is. That's real. That's real. Why do men never say a female? Look, listen, if you was to say my top five, I woulda got you Lauren Hill cause that's what I like. You know what I'm saying? I like Lauren Hill. But you had the girls on here, the rappers, Smitty Hawkins and what's the other girl you think they said? They said that thing. But if I was to say some females is the most definitely be Nicki cause when Nicki came in the game, Nicki just did something. She was like a dude. She was like a dude. She rap hard. She did something different to me. She rap hard. Like a nigga. She was hard. Did you hear what I just said? She was too, she was hard. She go harder than the niggas. I remember when Nicki first came in, I couldn't wait to hear her verse when she had a new song. I'm like, oh I know she got some gold. So I give Nicki for show. Since she want me to throw somebody in there, I gotta throw Nicki in there for show. Alrighty man. So man, thank you for coming on Boss Talk. Hey man, we appreciate you. And we gonna have you back on here. I've already told you that man. Boss Talk 101. And we out.