 just as a defense to just get better from last year on, you know, whether it's just, you know, being better leaders, being better communicators, all those things are all incorporated being a great defense. And, you know, even for myself individually being able to look at other defenses and seeing how they go about and how they do their things. And, you know, for us, I feel like, you know, just continue to prove each and every each and every year that's the first look back at your comfort level going to your ability to be a diagnosed and destroyed type of linebacker. You know, just using using that physicality, man, because as a mental lineback, you like the quarterback of the defense and, you know, God's feet off of that. So for me, really just to keep my high energy, making sure I could continue to be a great leader like I've been this camp and just trying to get these young guys to understand how we do it around here and, you know, the culture that we have here, too, as well. And just me individually, man, on my own play, just, you know, making sure that I do everything I possibly can to help this team. For me to be honest with you as a whole, man, you know, we feel like we're better than, you know, just the first round of the playoffs. We feel like we can, you know, be better than that. You know, really just all of us. I feel that we can just, you know, improve individually. That's the main thing. Everything else will come together at the end. And just moving forward from that, man, I feel like, you know, we continue the energy that we have from camp, transition into these preseason, transition into the season, you know, good outcome will come. A little bit of a difference at all in chain bowing this year. I know he's kind of been able to move around a little bit more than fast. What's what's he been like, you know, with with his role just a little bit different? I mean, it's like it's almost like a, you know, having a new officer coordinated with a quarterback, man, you just you get better and better and you get comfortable. You talk more and more. You have more time with a guy like that. And, you know, the more and more time that you have with him, the better you become. And I feel like we're slowly, slowly doing that even now, just with camp. I'm pretty sure you guys have seen just the energy and, you know, just doing those little things, man. That's really what it's about right now in camp, just working on those little things so that when the big, big lights come on, you know, we'll be able to be able to play fast. I mean, to be honest with you, I'm a defensive guy. I'm always say we dominate. So to be honest with you, man, you know, whether we dominate or the offense is dominating, man, you know, when we know when those lights come on and that first game comes on, you know, we want to make sure that we come come out fast and make sure that we, you know, we, we, you know, believe a stamp as early as we can. How frustrating was that last year when the lights did come on and maybe you guys didn't dominate? Really, it was just about us just understanding, man. You know, each game is going to be a dogfight. Every, every team in the league is great. So, you know, you're going to win some, you're going to lose some, but at the end of the day, you know, I feel like for all of us, you know, we want to try to make sure each and every game that we try to, you know, start fast and finish strong. That's the biggest thing. And I feel like, you know, now that we're doing this in camp, you know, we're slowly being able to do that and hopefully that will be able to transition into the season. Is a good day in camp a pretty good indicator of the compete level there? I would be honest with you. I'm, you know, you could say good things about camp, but the biggest thing is to make sure that that transitions into the season. You know, we could talk all day about, you know, great things in camp, you know, great catches, great pigs and great, all of that. But you know, the biggest thing is making sure that it transitions into the season and that, you know, we, we continue to be consistent throughout the season so that when it playoffs does come, you know, we'll be blazing. I know you all trusted in the pacing and there's a process to build up on the hitting and stuff, but the first day you walk out and kind of wishing there were one on ones and oh yeah, no doubt, man. You know, when you once you put the pads on, man, the energy is flying. The testosterone is going guys out there ready to play football and it feels like football today. So, you know, this is the first day guys are trying to get the feet wet, you know, and as we keep going, you know, guys are going to, you know, continue to get better and better, even me individually. So, you know, the more and more we hit, we continue to hit, continue to just drop, do, do other things that we're doing out there on the field, you know, we'll get better. My advice really, man, is be really have patience in yourself, you know, you know, coming to the league, you got a lot of a lot of, you know, pressure on guys expecting you to be at your best immediately soon as you can get in and me being a former first rounded, you know, the pressure is on and I told him, you know, just to really just take your time with yourself, focus on the little things, you know, always remember that it's always going to be football. The lines and those numbers, they never changed. They're always going to be same no matter where you're at. You know, I feel like, you know, just for him and himself, you know, I think he can take that and, you know, continue to just improve. And once he does that, man, he would be a great player for sure. I feel like, you know, it's, it's really the same. You know, I feel like the same intensity, the same focus, even from college, it was always pressure, you know, to win and to be the best. So even in this year, man, it feels no different from the rookie year from the second year, the third year and even to my fourth year, it doesn't feel any different, man. And, you know, I'm really, really excited about this season just because of, you know, the new guys we've got, you know, the players are getting even more used to the coaches. And, you know, we're having a second year under Shane and stuff. So, you know, it's been really, really exciting, man, just to see the energy out here, too. Oh, yeah, it's good to have my god jam. And, you know, our chemistry that we've developed over the years, playing with each other, you know, you really don't know a guy until you really get out there on the football field and things are going crazy. You know what I'm saying? It's total chaos. And, you know, if you had any losses with a guy, you really get to see the type of caliber player that you have. And, you know, Jayne has been a great player, a great guy that I've been able to play with. Even though he's been, he's an older guy, you know, being able to get his advice on things as well. And, you know, the type of player he is, the type of plays that he makes consistently, is always great to have a guy like that to play beside. No doubt. Something that factors into your training or even just your approach at all? I mean, I'm human. You know, I see it. You know, you know, it's on ESPN. I watch ESPN mental, but for me as a player, you kind of got to, you know, take that take the take those things and not really focus on it. You really got to focus on, you know, the little things, you know, focus on the technique, the fundamentals, all those things that coach variable talks about. You got to focus on those things because you get too caught up in the money. You know, you'll never be able to play up to your type of caliber player that you are. And even when I was in college, Coach Sabi used to say the same thing. Never worry about a win. Never worry about the things that are going on around you. Always worry about the things that are in front of you. Be able to feed that. And, you know, I continue to take those same things, even into the league right now. Cross pass much with Julio down in Tuscaloosa, just going back to training. And what do you think about him coming aboard this team? Boy said it, I didn't even hear him. I said, did you cross pass with Julio much down in Tuscaloosa when you kind of gone back and what is the addition of a guy like that due to this? Oh, yeah. I mean, every now and that I would see Julio, you know, Julio was like a mythical creature when he was out there in Atlanta. Man, he we knew exactly who he was when he did it, but we never got a chance to really see him. But now that I, you know, he's here now, man, it's been amazing. They had that type of player in the locker room and had that type of talent out here on the football field and watch how he practices. I mean, it just kind of to show you exactly why he is who he is. So, you know, I'm just trying to make sure for me as a player to, you know, just watch those things, you know, use some of the things that he's told me as well and try to pass him down on to younger guys. And just having him, like I said, man, he's a phenomenal player. Future Hall of Fame player. And, you know, just having him on the team just makes your team even that much better. Jack rabbit around. It seems like he brings a little spark. Oh, yeah, no doubt. He a SEC guy. Most SEC guys know SEC guys. So just having him run around and, you know, get pigs and make plays and have high energy like that, man. It feels exactly like the SEC almost a little bit out there. I'm playing on defense. And, you know, when you got those type of guys on defense, you know, it's kind of like a understanding amongst each other. You know, we know the type of physicality that it takes to be a really good defense. We know the understanding and the type of accountability that you have. Each each individual has to have in order for you to be a great defense. And, you know, we got a big challenge coming up, you know, we could be better from last year. And, you know, I feel like that's the biggest thing what makes it so exciting to know that you have something to look forward to know that there's some some things that you can get better at. You know, it doesn't really matter what you're doing at camp and all that. And let's wait. Have you maybe delivered that message a little bit too like it's great to have the swagger and the energy and all that. But, you know, let's let's focus on the season. Not done. Not done. Yeah, I try to do it any way I can, man. We know that even with camp, you know, you try to get better in camp and try to do the things, little things that you can to, you know, individually improve, you know, so that you can be ready for the first game. And, you know, knowing that, you know, camp is a really good indicator to see how guys are going into that season. But, you know, the number one thing, man, is how you how you transition, how you play in the season. You know, everybody wants to win. That's the main thing. And, you know, I feel like as an organization, we continue to do that and try to make that more consistent. And we feel like, you know, we want to try to do the same thing this year. I feel like money is done a great job. You know, he's a young guy coming in. Another SEC guy. I'm telling him to kind of the same things. Just be patient with yourself. Understanding that, you know, this is the league. You're going to get great other great players who are going to be just as good, if not better than you. And understanding that, you know, it's nothing wrong with that, you know, and also to being able to be coachable, being able to, you know, take as much, you know, advice and, you know, whether it's from a coach or a former player and just using those things to help you as a player. So I feel like Money Rice has done a really, really good job of just soaking up the coaching and doing the things that he has to do to be a good player. That's interesting. Yeah, that's definitely interesting. I mean, to be honest with you, anything that makes the SEC more competitive, I'm with it. You know, whoever it is, if you want to bring Ohio State in there, they can do that. I know Coach Rayby, he constantly talks about Ohio State. So but, you know, anytime you can make the SEC that much more competitive, I'm a biased guy. You know, I love Bama to the bone. You know, at this point, I really don't see any team that can beat Bama. But, you know, until then, you know, I'm still going to be looking for a team that can consistently challenge them. You know, there's other, there's other teams that I would say too that are as good, you know, Clemson, you know, who else? Ohio State is as good. You know, but like I said, man, any other team that can, you know, bring any type of competition to the SEC, I'm with it. Know the guys being able to cash in on that. I think that's man, that's it. That was a very, very interesting talk a couple of years ago. Even me as a player, I was always one of those guys that, you know, always thought about what it would be like, you know, being able to receive money. So, um, you know, now that it's changed, you know, you constantly see a change you should never year. I think it could be a really good dynamic for players to understand how to manage your money before you get into the league. But, you know, there's also, you know, consequences side effects to everything too, you know, you can give guys that type of money and they might lose the, you know, love of the game. So it's just, I think it's all going to be how you balance it. The coaching is going to be the most important thing, you know. Coaches are going to always be able to try to keep those guys at a level here to understand that, you know, you're getting your money, you're getting fame and all this other stuff. But at the end of the day, focus on the football, everything else going to come after that. What would you have marketed back when you were at Alabama? If I could, if I could have got a million, it would have been perfect. But, you know, I probably wouldn't have got that much though. But, you know, for me as a player, man, I think, you know, coming up then, you want to focus more on football, man. You want to make sure that football is the same. Even when you played in Pee Wee League, all the way at the high school, all the way at the college, you want to keep that the same. You want to keep that same love. And when you have that type of love, you know, all the other stuff comes after that, the money, the fame, all it all comes in the end. Right. I mentioned, uh, Caleb, he's done a couple of wraps and then some of the beatings. How do you think he did? How do you describe his performance? Now, Caleb, Caleb has done pretty good with his wraps. I mean, uh, not too recently he wrote a wrap down. I got on there, did a little beat, boom, boom, boom. He got on there, caught the beat. So, I mean, Caleb, he's, he's, I don't know what it is. Maybe he's practicing why he's not out here, but he's getting better at wrapping for sure. Thank you guys with pads on today. Yeah, I think, uh, everybody's kind of excited and waiting for this day to happen. I mean, it's real football once we put the pads on. I think, uh, we'd, I'd come out here ready to go a little bit faster. Ultimately, I didn't think we started very fast, um, but I felt as a practice when only improved a couple of things that stood out to you so far and came from watching the defense play. Yeah, I think the biggest thing for us is just the consistency. Like guys are getting better. We see it by player. We see it by unit. We see it by position group, um, but being able to do it day in and day out, playing and play out. That's really we get where we got to be able to take the next step to navigate. A lot of guys have been talking about the swagger. I know you want that, but you're also not far removed. I know last year's last year, given up over 50% on third down. Yep. I imagine you want them to stop some people before there. Yeah, no doubt. I think it all goes into confidence. I mean, we're working on our confidence right now. I think that's a big part of this game is no one you can line up across from somebody and out execute them out, play them out, hit them whatever that might be. Um, and I think guys improve when they gain confidence when they gain confidence to challenge when they gain confidence in the techniques that we're teaching them. I think you see improvement. So obviously as a unit, we want to take the field with the mindset. Um, we got to earn it. Like we got to earn it every single day. It's not just out here. It's going to come whenever that first game is. Um, but ideally like every time we take the field as a unit as individuals, I want these guys to think that they're going to execute. We're going to get it done. We're going to find ways to win each down that swagger having Jenkins having Jackrabbit in here. I'm sure that contributes to it. How does that? And when you see him out there going hard, how he does each rep, how does that help? Yeah, absolutely. I mean, whenever you have a veteran like that who's done it a long time and has success and you see the way he practices and competes and goes about it, I think it rubs off on everybody, regardless of the position group, even the wide receivers, right? I think that's that's contagious. Um, and the thing with him is he's constantly talking, constantly coaching guys up, constantly trying to turn the tide because every game there's going to be something right? It's not always going to be perfect. We understand that. Um, he understands that from playing so long, and I think his leadership and being able to turn the tide and get our guys to respond and kind of change the mojo when it's not going our way. Last year, you guys had really high snap counts for guys like Harold and Clowney when he was healthy with the addition of Simon, Autry and the improvement in Tarte and Murchison. Do you perhaps maybe see rotating guys in that front seven more early throughout the game so that they're fresher? Absolutely. You always want to be able to keep guys fresh, especially in the fourth quarter. As you guys know, like every game is close in the NFL. Like you got to be at your best in the fourth quarter and developing that depth like we've seen flashes. But again, it goes back to consistency with those guys who we can count on come Sunday, play in and play out. Um, but the more depth we have at those positions, the better off we're going to be and we'll be able to roll and do all those types of things that ideally we want to be able to do. Are you comfortable with that than you did last year? I do right now. I do right now. We'll see where this goes. What benefit is it going to be to your guys going against a caliber receiver like Julio and AJ every single day? Yeah, man. I think it's invaluable. Like they're competing against the best. They are. And for some of our guys, they're competing with guys who are challenging matchups for them just in terms of their size and speed and all that they bring. Hopefully it makes it easier to come Sunday. Right. And we got game one. We got a great task out the gate with the guys they got, right? So I think it's going to help them understand the techniques they got to play to play those types of receivers, one. And secondly, if we can challenge and win those matchups, it's just going to build their confidence. What's the guy that had seven or eight interceptions so far camp? What does that tell you and maybe who are the guys that are making them? What is Breon? Alani? Yeah, I mean, Hook showed up in a few different coverages, making some plays. I mean, he's been savvy back there. He's always been a smart football player. I think he's kind of starting to learn the ins and outs of playing the game a little bit more so than just his job, so to speak. Breon has been good up to this point. Again, just consistency day in and day out playing and play out for him. But I think he showed a lot of improvement coming into camp versus where he was at in the spring, even. I think he busted his butt in those five or six weeks away. And he's come back ready to go. But those guys are finding ways to stay tight in man. And then in all the other stuff that we do, they're finding ways of getting the right spot and break on throws. You're saying, you know, in your, I guess, kind of different role this year in terms of on the field and in the meeting rooms, too. How have you been able to do different things without having to worry about a specific position? Yeah, I mean, I've been able to bounce around meeting rooms again. I think it goes back. And you guys heard a lot last year, like the coordination, the communication, making sure everybody's on the same page, right? And now the DB sees something one way. I can immediately walk in the linebacker room and say, hey, man, this is what we're thinking. This is how they see it, right? So everybody sees things the same ways. We're communicating things the same way. So I think that's been a tremendous asset, being able to bounce room to room. Also being able to understand and make sure, like, we're getting coached what we want coach, right? Like, that's part of it. Like, I want to make sure they're they're here in what we want. And then when we go in the unit room, they better be able to spit it back. And I know they got that covered, right? And then obviously out in the field, just being able to touch all those guys. But I think building the relationships with the guys, like, that's a big part of it. That last year, I don't think was there where I think this year it's growing. And that's becoming a bigger piece for me. Travis said that you got a little more comfortable with you in year two. The fact that your role was actually clearly defined this off season, do you think that it's helped to clearly define a lot of their roles? Yes, absolutely. I do. I think it's helped, I think just with with everybody, with the coaching staff, with the players. I think it's been good up to this point. They kind of understand where the buck stops. And that's it is what it is. So I'm excited for the opportunity. I really am. I'm excited the ways these guys are going about working right now and kind of what we're trying to get accomplished on defense. So you're involved here on practice. And obviously, Coach Ravel, yourself, how is that whole synergy going on? Something that you talked about before, Ken? Yeah, man, it's been great having Schwartz here. It really has. He's a great sounding board for me as things go. Obviously, Mike, he knows it all, right? So I can always turn to him. But Schwartz has been great. Like anything that comes up, we talk through everything. We go through kind of our plan for different scenarios. I think as we get more into even situations and some of that type of stuff, his experience with some of that stuff is going to pay dividends, too. But I'm super excited he's here. Like he's been a great asset to me so far up to this point. I expect that to continue. It seems to be a pretty solid plug and play for you guys right now. Yeah, I mean, he's familiar, like with the system. Obviously, we had him in Houston. He's about what we're about. Like he's he's tough. He plays hard. He's going to play with technique. That's how he's made his career so long. And he's, like I said, he's just he's familiar with us, too, right? As people like, I know John back to Ohio State, just like Mike in 2012. So there's some familiarity there just with our personalities, who we are. And I think he really fits what we're trying to get across in terms of our culture, defensively and as a team. Yeah, man, it's good to see him out here actually doing something. Finally, I mean, we'll see as he keeps progressing whenever that is that he can get back in there. We'll see how it goes. But he's been engaged in meetings. I think he's soaking everything up. I think Jack Rabbit has helped him tremendously in that regard. He's always in his ear, teaching, coaching, giving him pointers and different things. I mean, time will tell. He's got to get out here and go like it's we're doing drills right now. And that's great. But when he has to line up across from somebody and actually cover him, we'll kind of see what it is. AJ and Julio out there, receivers are only getting bigger in the league. Does that make a guy like Caleb that much more valid? Absolutely. I think I think if you can match the size and that type of length and that type of skill set, I think it's rare. And if you have a guy like that, you obviously aren't as concerned with the size match up down the field and those down the field throws. Penetration are you looking for from your interior line than you got last year? What's the key to maybe being a two way player there in terms of clogging things up for the run but also being able to close the bottom? Yeah, I think I think that group right now is making big strides up to this point, Paul. It is we got a guy's got to know what they do well in that position, right? Like I'm a run stopper and my transition is this or I'm a pass rusher and I got to focus on this in the run game, right? Like every guy is different with their skill set, even down there, like a nose is dramatically different than a three technique, right? And I think the biggest thing down there is knowing your skill set and using it to your advantage because like Coley, for instance, he's dramatically different than Thierre Tartt, right? Like so there's a lot of different skill sets and those guys understanding who they are in both the run game and as rushers. I think that plays a big part. He's someone who has a position versatility. We saw him play somebody edge in Indianapolis. Yeah, absolutely. I mean, I think that's why why he's here to add value and a lot of different ways for us obviously on third down the flexibility to move inside and do some that have a bigger body, which we really haven't had in the past at times. And then to be able to play first, second down outside, absolutely mix in inside at times like he's a valuable piece because he does have that versatility. A lot of the defensive players have talked about having a chip on their shoulder with the way last season went. How much do you encourage that without harping on last year too much? Yeah, I think you've got to learn from last year. I do. I think in the off season we evaluate it and we come back to them with a plan on ways to improve. I think now that we're kind of into 2021 like it's areas of emphasis for us. Like it's not about last year. It's about this year. We got to make sure like third down red zone. All the turnovers continue, right? Like we make sure we emphasize those things. But like last year is over. Like we're a new team. We got a lot of new pieces like half the guys in our defensive room were here last year, right? But understanding as a unit that hey, these are areas we struggled with like we're going to make a big emphasis on this early on. Like we got to be better here because if we're better here, it's going to carry over to be better throughout a lot of different areas defensively. How different is the practice experience you did this year for the last year when you were working in the individual drill to try to divide the time? Yeah, man, I like it a lot now being able to bounce around, hear the different things that coaches are teaching them, see the guys go through holding them accountable. To making sure they make every rep count, we only have so much individual time to develop that technique and fundamental. So holding those guys accountable to making sure they're making each rep count. But I've enjoyed it. I think it goes back to building relationships to making sure they see me, see me watching them, see me over there. Like it's not just me in a meeting room telling them to hey, on this play, you do this. Like there's a lot more that goes into it. And on third down last year, as you said, has that been as much emphasis as you can remember on a particular situation so far in camp? Yeah, I would say up to this point, like we've gotten some third down work these past couple of days. We've gotten some resume work throughout as we've started here. And both those have been major emphasis for us. And I think just the technique and fundamentals and being square and understanding the down and distance, right? Like understanding all the little things that go into every situation. First and foremost, before the balls even snap, I tell them all the time, like if we can be 100% before the ball snapped like then they got to beat us, right? Like and too many times last year, we weren't ready to go, right? Like we got to be set. We got to be ready to rock and roll. We got to make them beat us. We got to be coordinated what we're doing. Like if we can handle our business before the ball snap, the onus falls on them. All right, appreciate it guys.