 Could have played the the audio through for that Twin Peaks trailer, but it just would have been Over and over again I've never been I've never been into Twin Peaks. You're not alone. I'm starting to it I want to watch the second episode of American Gods, but I need to do it Well Ellie is not asleep or not as not awake running around because it's gory and stuff Yeah, I get that especially the first scene of the first episode. Yeah Like it was pretty I mean, I almost felt it was almost borderline gratuitous Wait, sorry, what was this? The violence in the American Gods Yeah, I still ain't seen it I got stars so I could watch it, but I still ain't seen it You bought stars and never watched it. That's right, buddy I got it and I'll watch it eventually. I'll watch it when I want to be honest like everybody's super hype for it and I got it and I thought we were gonna talk about it on like hotline and Everybody hated it. I'm like, well, no, I loved it. You love it. Yeah. Well love may be a strong I don't I liked it quite a bit. I like it. I Just felt that I just I mean, I only saw the first episode. So, you know, I expressed my my Opinions to Tom really the only thing that kind of but that I that I could Wrong it for was the fact that some of a lot of the acting is just kind of middle the road There's some really good actors, but you know for the majority of it's just kind of middling acting. I disagree Okay, I know I have not noticed that Although we did talk about Shadow and I don't think shadow Has the same level of desperation that he does I'm just really really really excited to when we were talking about this on hotline Monday to find out that Ian McShane Lives in your neck of the woods Tom of Venice Beach. Oh Like yes, Los Angeles. So does every other but oh, he's like over here. Good run in. Yeah Can go down to the corner store and be like go to a bar and see if you find them when Brian and I were at that That that Mexican dance hall down the road from you, right? To a burning the late night oil Ian machine Yeah Well, someone just rang the doorbell upstairs, which is always good times So the guys are gonna bark until One time somebody did that and it was a time-order cable salesperson. Oh Really? Yeah, they came down and knocked on the bottom door because they heard me down here And I had to get up in the middle of the show and go over and tell them. No, thank you All right, I think we're good though. We're not even late. Yeah, I'll know oh shit You ready? Yeah, let's go Alrighty then Daily Tech news show is powered by you to find out more head to Daily Tech news show comm slash support This is the Daily Tech news for Thursday, May 11th 2017 I'm Tom Merritt and we are here to help you understand the avalanche of tech news Hot password advice hot windows news and a cool Justin Robert Young here to help. Oh Man, I'm the sour cream To to even out the flavor profile of this tech news enchilada. That is right You are are a refreshing dose of dairy Take the burn away It's always how I thought of you. Let's not get carried away No, we are gonna talk about oh, yeah, no, absolutely. It's a soy based sour cream. Oh, we're gonna talk about a All the the Microsoft build announcements Microsoft build a little weird in that the more consumer Related announcements come on day two this year Yeah, well, I mean, what do you think that that's a Man trying to think day wise like I guess Thursday might be a slightly better news day than Wednesday. I don't know I don't know if that's it or if they're just shaking things up You know you got three. Well, no, I think that maybe it makes sense I think we would agree that it's better to segregate the retail stuff from the developer stuff Sure, you hit the developer enterprising stuff on day one get get the fans excited. Yeah. Yeah, and then and then the retail stuff I mean, it should be separate. Yeah, and this is this is a just retail obviously This is still very developer oriented, but but it's the stuff consumers will also care about let's start with a few tech things You should know Microsoft announced the next update to Windows 10 will be called the fall Creators update that won't be confusing already. I caught I do. I won't embarrass the writer I caught a news outlet writing creators update instead of fall creators update by accident Didn't give a date for the release, but I would assume it will be in the fall, Justin Yeah, I was gonna say that the natural punchline is the fall creators update comes out March 1st a Twitter signed a multi-year deal with the National Football League to live stream pregame coverage and a 30 minute Daily football news and analysis program Tom Do we need more pregame pregame from Twitter? I don't think so, but are you ready for some bidding on NFL? Rights when they become available again Oh Advocate general may say Spoon are advised the European Court of Justice that uber is a transport company and must obtain Authorization to operate in Europe. Spoon are said uber does quote much more than link supply and demand It created this demand itself now the court doesn't have to do what the advocate general says, but they most often do In my country there is problem and that problem is transport Now here are some more top stories Verizon officially outbid AT&T to acquire straight path communications for $3.1 billion those of you have been following the drama of 5g spectrum acquisition will be very excited about this revelation straight path if you recall owns about 95% of the 39 gigahertz spectrum in the US that's Significant because to make good use of the 39 gigahertz spectrum you have to own most of it So straight path was a big prize here They also own a significant amount of the 28 gigahertz spectrum in big markets like San Francisco in New York Anyway, if you want to roll out 5g, this is a feather in your cap AT&T had agreed to buy straight path on April 10th But was outbid the next day by an intern multinational telecommunications company who apparently was Verizon Had five days to respond to that initial offer and we didn't hear anything for a month So kind of implies there might have been a bidding more here. Yeah, again one month between when AT&T Had made the purchase had other people at five days to match Verizon matches and we I guess at that point it just goes internally But AT&T had five days to match they must have matched because we didn't hear about it five days later, right? Apparently so so so now I mean unless there's there's maybe other due diligence. There's other. Yeah other people involved That's true, but still this is Verizon saying Despite the fact that they are being attacked Certainly in the public by companies like Sprint and T-Mobile and and AT&T that Networks are equal now So consumers should pay attention to things like price and flexibility and the freedom to do what you want with your minutes And stuff like that They want to continue to hold their high ground that we have the Best network and if you know anything about mobile networking The the assurances that that will continue to be true Are five years delayed right by the spectrum now so it can be in use Years and years from now when the technology catches up with and hopefully scores you some points on the reliability and and service provision service reliability service quality Scale so good good thing for Verizon and Stoic squirrel in our chat room asks a very pertinent question Why did straight path own the spectrum? Were they using it as a matter of fact? No straight path got fined a couple I don't I don't remember the exact amount they got fined a lot For not using the spectrum that they had bought and the fine gets reduced to a few million If they sell the company or the spectrum to somebody who will use it So straight path was still was motivated to sell because they wanted to get out of that fine And they still got themselves into a bidding war Lighthouse tom a company from android co-founder andy rubens accelerator Announced an indoor 1080p smart camera with night vision light house uses deep learning and 3d sensing to determine Who is in the house and whether it is normal? And alert by app if it sinks if it thinks something is amiss It can also determine if the dog has been walked and alert parents when kids are home The app has voice recognition and you can ask it questions pre-orders today started $399 with a year of service $499 for three years and $599 if you want to go all in with this product that has literally zero reviews Five years of service if you believe this startup can last for five years giving in this in in in september this year You know we had a bit of a back and forth on this In our little pre-show that we do on my twitch channel twitch.tv slash justin our young That I almost think that this really isn't a story It's a product that nobody knows whether it's good or not. Certainly it is promising fantastical things And the idea that you have to build in service for it is New in that space Tell me why i'm wrong Uh, you're not wrong. Uh, it is a product. We don't know anything about that While andy rubin has expressed faith in it andy rubin isn't running the company. It just comes out of his accelerator Yeah, but the one thing I will by the way is the same time that that when you ever see a random movie It just says from the people that brought you another I have a feeling the rubin takes a little more active hand than say erlich bachman from silicon valley and his accelerator But but yeah, I get I get your point. Yes. It's also to be if jerry brugheimer is a On your on your movie then you're gonna say from the people that brought you. Yeah. Yeah Now that said it's a shipping product Like a lot of times you hear these as demos at ces or or or an nda that was released This is a product you can pre-order today. You can put your money down It's going to ship in september and if it turns out to do what they say it's going to do I think it's a significant step in this, you know, practical use of machine learning and ai because This has got elements of your voice assistant of your smart speaker But it's in a camera and that's pretty cool if if if I can talk to my app and say Hey, let me know when my husband gets home and the camera knows who my husband is Can recognize that and when he walks in the door It sends me an alert say hey your husband's home Then that's that's pretty impressive and pretty useful and differentiates it from say nest or or others That do some computer vision and recognition on a very simple level Yes Now I do want to add one caveat. It is a product with a ship date. It is not a shipping product Fair enough Right So so there is that the idea that a new product could be delayed to make Ensure that all the bugs are worked out of it would certainly wouldn't be the first product ever to take people's money and not ship on time Exactly But all that I mean the fact that that has happened most people don't take your money until they're pretty sure they're going to ship No, no, no, no, no, and I think this will come out, right? whether or not this will become on the grand scheme of From echo to juicero. We don't know exactly where it's going I think it's I think it's definitely closer to echo I don't think it's on the juicero side because this is real tech Where it where it could diverge from echo is if it just doesn't work as promised and it ends up being like well Yeah, it can tell who people are some of the time It's really not that much more sophisticated than what nest does Then it then it starts to disappoint. So but that but that is the issue, right? Yeah, yeah When when you look at what broke echo through It was that whenever you said something 90 percent of the time it recognized what you said and it spit back a reliable answer And that's that was with the problem with video stuff before or sir voice activated stuff before This is uncharted ground. We will see how well they do Ian in our chat room whom I love Uh does not disappoint in chat room pedantry when he says but juicero works has promised That's a fair it's a fair point All right, uh, we talked about the snap earnings yesterday, uh losing money at a greater rate than people expected Five percent growth in in active users Not as as fast as they have been What we didn't have yesterday was the earnings call and yesterday evan spiegel spent a lot of time emphasizing over and over That they don't care about getting the most users They they don't want to just do things to attract users by by sending notifications and tricking people into spending all their time on their app They want quality users over quantity They think that they can better serve advertisers who pay money to reach them if they have quality users And he also said he's not worried about facebook and instagram copying them saying pretty much that you know Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery Two things out of that that we can pick through and one of them I believe is a direct reaction to Some of the unfavorable comparisons that people were making between snapchat and twitter as Sort of uh, you know twitter being sort of this cautionary tale of a once red hot company that has kind of been wayward in the eyes of investors snapchat specifically in saying quality over quantity or quantity quality over quantity Is saying we don't want to make them a the same mistake as twitter about chasing wrong numbers That devalues our product and then forces us to make embarrassing deletions of gigantic of fields of of fake twitter accounts or inactive twitter accounts that then puts A larger harsher light on whatever growth that we have We want to make clear from the beginning that this is uh, not we're not going to have that problem yeah I on the one hand Absolutely agree with evan spiegel You should be going after quality users You shouldn't use what he calls growth hacks because it ends up causing more problems in the long run Then it solves And he said the way to try to help people understand how we think about daily active user growth Is really through the lens of creativity and creation they they want people to create good things on the platform And that's how they judge whether they've got good users However, he said through the lens of creativity and creation and then immediately pivoted into talking about lenses And said people enjoy looking like a puppy and things like that I'm going to ignore that and move on to his his statement that he is not afraid of facebook and instagram tom the grand jedi master yoda once told luke skywalker you will be Is this a little foolhardy by by spiegel? Here's the thing he says if you want to be a creative company You got to get comfortable with and basically enjoy the fact that people are going to copy your products If you make great stuff that is a fine thing to say If you keep making great stuff If everyone's saying well, yeah, instagram copied snapchat, but look what snapchat's got now And they just released a bunch of new features yesterday That allow you to like the magic eraser Or you can erase something from your snap and it just automatically fills in the background Evan spiegel is banking on those kinds of features being popular and seen as new things that nobody else copies And that snapchat will continue to be ahead of the curve That's a tough game to win. You have to continually be inventive And not only be inventive, but actually be an inventive in a way that that people appreciate and use And and so there is the challenge and I think a lot of us are looking at snapchat lately saying, okay You've got new features, but I i'm starting to wonder why I use you Yeah All I know is that when you actually listen if you listen very very closely to him saying that uh that he's not afraid Of of instagram and facebook If you listen very very closely, you can hear a slight rattling, which is the chains of the ghosts of vine Just just shaking its fists uh to to heed the warning of what happened six seconds That's that's why now you can watch an image for as long as you want you can have forever uh court in Yeah, it gets arena berg russia gave us a Spended three and a half year jail sentence and 160 hours of community service to a blogger Ruslan a sokholsky For inside i used you did it so much better earlier today sokolovsky sokolovsky Uh sokolovsky hosted a video on youtube of himself playing pokemon go in a russian orthodox church while using strong language and mocking christianity After the sentencing sokolovsky said Quote i'm content. I won't play pokemon. It's already out of fashion and quote tom what's the bigger story here the uh chilling effect on free speech Or the fact that this kid doesn't want to play pokemon no more Yeah, I think this is why this is burning up the charts on on places like our subreddit Is that quote uh, I mean the idea that someone got fined For playing pokemon in a church is capturing people's imaginations sad fact is that's not what happened Uh, he got fined uh and and and a suspended prison sentence for saying things that were controversial about religion in russia And russia has very strict laws about it these days. Uh, so it didn't have to do with that However, his his sort of you know, pokemon's already out of fashion Comment is is amusing Yeah, uh You know, this is one of those stories where it's it's it's evidently super funny to read and and uh, Despite the fact that it is kind of chilling if you read it in a certain way. It is just kind of funny, right? Yeah, if you leave out if you leave out the uh, the serious part, uh, the whole pokemon part is pretty fine Uh, the us national institute of standards and technology has issued new draft guidelines on password requirements NIST says users should be able to pick whatever password they want So no requirements for special characters. No capital letters No, all you have to pick, you know an exclamation point or a hashtag or no none of that pick whatever you want However The following passwords should be disallowed by the company you're creating the account with So if it's a known password from a previous breach Kick it out if it's a dictionary word kick it out if it's a repetitive or sequential character 1 2 3 4 5 a b c d e Kick it out if it's a context specific word like it's the name of the service or it's the person's actual username Kick it out. Uh, NIST also recommends not requiring users to change passwords frequently They say that just leads to people trying to use insecure passwords Uh, so let them pick one let them keep it long keep it forever and uh, And you enforce The things that are going to make it crackable The idea being like yes, of course if you put an exclamation point and a percentage sign And a bunch of random words together that is a stronger password But forcing people to do that who aren't motivated to do that causes them to do things like put the exclamation point In place of the letter i and that is an eminently crackable pattern of behavior so What they're saying is right, you know if somebody wants to make long random secure passwords or use a password to manage a grade But if you're making people do something make them pick a password that isn't in a dictionary or in a database breach Or very obviously going to be crackable this is Brilliant and amazing and awesome and until somebody's smarter than me about technology and security tells me otherwise I will continue to say so out loud I love the idea that for the first time Like this just feels like common sense Like we live in a world where you are able to search for your breached passwords Why is there not a publicly, uh, you know an available database to say? Yeah, you use that password That's already out on the internet So we're not going to allow you to use that here because We're just exposing our service in the same way that you've already exposed yourself on other places or The the idea of like I think it is it's I have more often switched to insecure passwords Because I've either had overly restrictive Guidelines to make a password And so I just wind up making one up or I make one up and I can't remember it And I wind up switching it to the most least secure version of that I possibly can like just because I can it's easier to remember it and yes, I should have one password And yes, I should have all these other things. I don't Don't add me But I think this makes so much more sense to just raise the baseline Yeah, and and graded there you can poke a lot of holes in this because you are telling people Guides your guidelines don't make every password the most secure that it could be right? You want a 20 character long random password with special characters if you want the most secure password We and we all know that and we talked to barton buchats about that last week But if you're saying what should we force people to do well right now? They do like eight character password forcing and and and one special character that they just put it play That's not making more secure passwords I think these guidelines will actually make more secure passwords because one of the other things they're encouraging is Encourage your users to use phrases like take the bunny out to the fairgrounds in march Is a hard to crack password because it's long and it's even though it's got dictionary words in it The dictionary words strung together are not in an order that is easily found So you you know, you can get them to do even memorable passwords that are at least more secure than you know Uh password with a four instead of the a or something stupid like that The the the greatest the reason why I love listening to people like uh, Shannon morris and darin kitchen at hack five is because they both have such an amazing grasp on The fact that security is only as good as human nature. Yeah The reason why social engineering works is because you understand human nature. It's it's a lot like magic Yeah, it doesn't matter if you ask people to create a 20 character That has four special characters because if my uncle was a woman, she'd be my aunt, right? Like This brings us closer to hey Do the best you can In a way that you can remember your passwords for these different services and let's just Avoid the worst as opposed to forcing them and letting them fail at doing the best And don't forget folks this these are the guidelines. They're asking websites and services to put in place These aren't the guidelines. They're telling people the guidelines. You're telling people are still like use a password manager and make it totally random Uh, you know use long passwords with with random characters and things like that That guideline hasn't changed. This is how do you enforce it on the website end? And I think this is pretty good If you want to get all the tech headlines each day in about five minutes Be sure to subscribe to daily tech headlines.com don't go do it right now It'll it'll change your ability to be up on technology You can not only get it as a podcast but on the amazon echo and in the anchor app at anchor.fm We are not done. However, because as we mentioned fall creators update windows 10 coming Presumably of the fall, uh, and we've got a bunch of other microsoft build announcements So i'm going to run through these and get justin's reaction as a consumer to these announcements Are you ready justin? Are you sitting comfortably? I'm ready to consume Microsoft announced a ui refresh for windows 10 as well Previously called project neon the official public name is the microsoft fluent design system It's intended to be a successor to the microsoft metro design Will apply across not only windows but ios and android apps as well Most of the changes include subtle things like blur effects people already comparing it to windows vista And microsoft says it is focusing on light depth motion material and scale Along with this they did a demo of a new inking feature showing the ability to annotate anywhere in windows You know Windows has continued to look a little bit more aesthetically pleasing I think that they are continuing to march down that path and that is good for me Yeah, and uh, I don't know so far it looks pretty I want to see it in full on action But the idea is to make things look like they're moving As long as that's the only way it's like windows vista i'm fine with it microsoft is expanding its graph service that lets developers get data out of apps and cloud services microsoft adding devices And third party apps to the graph uh previously it was users and documents So it really worked for file sharing mostly, but now It's working more like handoff one effect could be users having the ability to start a task say on an android phone May you're you're doing uh, you're doing a spreadsheet on your android phone And finish it on the laptops version, but it doesn't even have to be a microsoft app It could be some other kind of app that's just using the graph to handoff to windows There's also a cloud based clipboard that will launch with the fall creators update That will integrate with microsoft owned swift key and allow you to cut and paste across devices So you can cut some text on windows and then paste it on your iphone as long as you're using swift key Uh pretty much any device that uses cortana becomes part of the graph as well Cortana can do things like if you're using let's say you're using an app to uh to do do a checklist To do list on your windows machine and you turn on your iphone and you've got cortana on your iphone Cortana can say hey, there's a there's an ios version of that to do list Would you like to install it and it can direct you to the app store to do it? This is very exciting to me because it begins I think a very uh, you know rather it doesn't begin it continues a very meaningful transition of microsoft to a company that doesn't feel that if they Don't own the entire playpen. They don't want to play in it that that their answer to other services is to build better services and force when i force but but make it Make it the reason why you want to stay in the windows ecosystem This is a more open microsoft. This is a microsoft that i believe is just more in tune with reality frankly that Like me and you tom we own both We don't you see we own ios devices We own android devices the more that they can all talk to each other the better our life is and that is a good Ray of sunshine another another graph element is windows timeline that shows you everything you did on your device And it gives you a chance to jump back So it's not like a restore point necessarily But it's like oh, you know i was working on this file two days ago What what was it? Where is it? You just go look in timeline find it and jump right back in Where you are so that's another one of these graph elements. It's kind of cool There's a new video and slideshow creation app coming called windows story remix That's coming in the file creators update as well. It can automatically mix your media into a shareable clip or let you do it yourself Now this sounds familiar We've had a lot of apps promise to do this But this one's got some pretty impressive machine learning in it that helps create montages Choices you make on videos and remixes help the ai learn what style you like You can also search for people And things like you can say show me all my dog videos show me all my cat videos Show me all my uncle herald videos It will eventually be able to integrate 3d objects into videos for special effects So one of the examples they showed was a kid in a halloween costume Casting a spell on an empty driveway and they put a 3d effect of a dinosaur That like raised up its wings to attack and the kid cast the spell and the dinosaur disappeared Capture apps that work with story remix will be available for ios android and windows phone Those will just be able to capture stuff that you then use on windows to create these video time these little video montages You know You mentioned before that there's so many of these kinds of apps and they all sort of do the same thing But they do their credit kind of incrementally move this forward I don't exactly have a ton of use for it, but I am fully preparing myself that one day There's just going to be a button. I can press that makes a full feature length Quentin Tarantino ask movie with all of my media plays perfectly. So uh good another step down the Pathway you because you are not one of eileen's uncles making a video for tita dolly's Birthday, uh, you don't need this but this is going to be useful in a lot of other or other very popular, uh, twitter accounts that Need to put together various, uh video clips Also coming in the fall update is one drive files on demand That can take data from the cloud version of one drive as needed So that you can see all your one drive files, but they all don't have to be taken up space on your local drive There'll be status icons and file explorer to tell you which files are available locally Which ones are in the cloud and recently open files will remain available offline. So it'll automatically manage that Nice, uh, you know, um, do you use one drive? I do I kind of use it as cold storage though. I don't I don't use it actively except for some of my writing Yeah, just because it's easier to put it there because you're writing on a piece Yeah, because a lot of times I'm writing on my surface pro or my surface book And so I want to make sure I have the the word documents Easily available. I think that that that is an interesting thing that it kind of happens now is that we're not in a world anymore Where it's like, well, I just use blank because blank is the easiest and it's the best Everybody kind of uses a lot of different places for online storage and ultimately you just want to make sure that your port Is as clean and reliable as it possibly can be Microsoft showed up motion controllers for devices that use Microsoft's mixed reality software The controllers work with sensors in the headset. So you don't need external sensors They have a thumb stick a touchpad and a wand like design with a tracking ring on the end So they're a little bit vive a little bit oculus rift They'll be sold alongside the variety of Microsoft mixed reality headsets Coming out this holiday. Acer will bundle a controller with a headset for $399 The controllers, however, will not work with the hololeds. These are just with the third party Microsoft mixed reality Headsets and we got the first two are available for pre-order Acer's $299 mixed reality headset dev kit and hp's $329 headset dev kit up for pre-order today shipping the summer from the Microsoft store That Acer one is the same headset that will be bundled with the controller, but the controller won't be coming out till the holiday season Do you look at this as an ominous or tent for hololens? No, I don't hololens development hardware arriving in china by the end of the month. So they are still Serious about hololens. I think they're trying to wait for be very patient and wait for that killer app For hololens. This is Microsoft saying we've got VR stuff Let's let's work with our partners to be out there with competitive offerings that are cheaper than the oculus rift and the HTC Vive Yeah, and and at the same time Hold our powder dry for hololens, which we think is going to be amazing So they're they're just saying hey look our partners want to do this. Yeah, we're gonna give them a thing Enjoy it. Although that doesn't exactly give the most tremendous photocop But it's for these products that are being pre ordered right now Yeah, and as much as Microsoft calls it mixed reality. They're just VR headsets This is just microsoft's play to compete, you know with VR Uh the xamarin live player lets you develop ios apps on windows without a mac You just need the live player app for ios. There's also a live player app for android So it's super easy. All you need is the device and your windows machine You don't need to have another development environment. You don't need xcode Any more to develop ios you can do it right on windows This is another one of those another one of those opening up the gates. Yep opening up The restrictions one might say that satchamania is still running wild Well, let me feed let me feed that fire Microsoft has a version of ubuntu available in the windows app store right now And it's adding fedora and susa soon so that you linux heads can run your linux apps Right there on windows easy I mean you could do this before and you know some kind of emulator, but now you just buy it You just get it out of the app store. You don't even buy it. It's free What you're gonna do developers when ubuntu runs wild on you One more thing A version of itunes is coming to the windows store Wrap your head around that this is itude. There is itunes for windows already It's a win 32 app a version of itunes is coming to the windows store That means it'll work on windows 10 s as well as windows 10 That means it's a universal app. That means apple had to do a little bit of work Maybe they just took the win 32 app and rewrapped it But they had to do a little bit of work and felt it was worth it to put it in the store Well, I hope it runs better than the version that we have now which is I think almost universally understood to be just A bloated mess on pc Yeah, best of luck To that Thanks to everybody who participates in our subreddit You can submit stories and vote on them at dailytechnewshow.reddit.com It definitely helps us figure out what to put in the show each day A message of the day comes from adam said he was listening to our episode about the amazon echo And he said look $50 price point makes it easy to justify an echo even if you just use it for a few functions I just bought another one for the bathroom because I want to be able to get the time weather news and music without needing to touch anything At first I thought the idea of a five pack was ridiculous. Now. I'm thinking it's a great idea if you have a big house Uh, you know the nsa certainly thinks so walka walka walka I I agree though. I think that that this is A defining device of its age. I would put the I would put the echo in the same conversation as You know the the iPod or the iPhone in terms of As it came out it just kind of revolutionized what that space should be and everything that followed Was iterating on this large leap forward to find the category. Yeah, I think it's fantastic I you know patrick, uh was saying a lot of things about phone Smart assistance that he doesn't like and and he doesn't understand why he would like them any anymore in a smart speaker Uh, and I was talking about how I kind of agree with them on phone assistance But I love my amazon echo Uh, so I wrote up for for our patreon today Five reasons why I think a smart speaker is better than an assistant on your phone And if you uh backs at the five dollar a month level you got that right now It's in your inbox or at patreon.com slash dtns Thank you. Justin robert young for joining us as always what you got going on Well folks, you can go ahead and uh follow me over there on uh twitch.tv Slash just in our young every thursday tom and I chop up the top stories to build this very podcast for you It's kind of like watching a sandwich artist behind the glass before you uh are served this fine hoagie Uh, and also let me uh, let me shout something out. 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Yo yo All right, uh, well roger's probably restarting what we got over there at the uh Sorry, can you hear me now? Ah, yes, we can hear you now. Yeah, sorry about Space thumb lenn. I saw his email and I totally remember it I just like I think it's because I'm so scared of leaving him out That's like, uh Titles yes titles. What do we got a few tech things you should know Carry on my wayward ipo Snapchat becoming so meaningless nicci would love it I don't think that's what nicci was all about any case. Uh, human nature is the worst password Do we need more pre game? Are you ready for some? Are you ready for some positioning for future negotiations snaps in a z-formation? And I'm missing that one. What am I missing? Hello? What what what don't I get? And there's no snaps in a z-formation Uh, I think that's a dug a football reference Oh, okay. Well, that's good. I'm inside. Don't care change of the ghost of vine Show me all my uncle carol videos Microsoft is a little bit vivy and a little bit occultist rift Apple begins selling ice water in windows store Snapchat is snapping their legs Such a mania still running wild Leap passwords One sizzling episode with cool news pokemon goes out of fashion in russia NIST gives a pass on password rules Mmm snap applies a positive filter to their financials. I like that one Lens positive lens But human nature is the worst password is at the top followed closely by carrying on my wayward IPO You're my IPO What do you guys like I like human nature is the worst password All right I'll do that Let's do it Just a lot just set up a system where you can put in more than 12 characters as a password I guarantee you you would solve A lot of these passwords not everybody would put in more than 12 12 Letters make you like a mad man date 12, right? Ah, you could you could mandate more than 12 like for example someplace Some sites will not accept less than eight a minimum of eight characters Sure, but I guess my point is is that That mandating 12 creates Poopy your passwords The the thing is the longer a password is the more secure it is Right, it doesn't matter what character you use if you even just stuck with 26 letters of the alphabet But you made it so your password could be a complete sentence. Yeah, it would be secure Now what if you're using dictionary words like can't somebody throw a dictionary? I guess It could but it would have to go through more permutations So, you know the theory is I saw biocast saying this like isn't six dictionary words just the same as six letters And the the answer is no because there are more than 26 words The existence and you would have to run through a permutation. Yeah, right. They're not always going to be I hope they're not all the same order It's the length right you could use you could have you could use every character set known to make unicode But only have like a five character password. You would be able to find it Right to brute force it I mean the truth of the matter most passwords aren't found by brute force or Found through phishing. Yeah totally So pulling that rod and reel and go to long john silvers where we do the phishing I guess You know one point in time that place used to be semi mid-level restaurant. No, it's just kind of a Some people still say it is long john silvers. Oh I have a weird I have a weird habit of watching old um Restaurant commercials from the 80s and 70s specifically steak restaurants Really, which ones? the steak house there was a Not like scissor, but there was like a what's the um See I watch all these. I don't even remember their names It's really bad. It shows you how poor um at the ground round There was one called not the steak steak house Uh 1970 Ponderosa that one that was the one. Oh, yeah, I love the ponderosa I remember something I remember going to one and I was wondering why all the waitresses were wearing tablecloths for shirts Because I had that same pattern Because I was a kid. That's what I assumed steak and ale Oh steak and ale's the bomb bonanza, bonanza Bonanza Where's my steak? Well, I'd like a flame and we don't do that the what? Oh, it's a soon-to-be revived chain Bonanza Nails coming back baby steak and ale's coming back. Huh? Wait. Are they taking the place of casking cleaver? The plan revival in 2013 a facebook page was created for the comeback of steak and ale And bennington ceo paul miagami announced that the chain Comeback concept In february 11 2015 uh miagami and his wife gwen Closed on a management buyout of the company from its parent private equity firm for an undisclosed price The new company legendary restaurant brands llc is now 100 owner Of the bennington's restaurant chain its fast casual concept bennington's on the fly and Steak and ale steak and ale um, okay, so This is not related to steak and ale and I and I hesitate To distract you from what is proving to be a very fruitful discussion of legacy restaurants But I gave you the russian thing because you nailed it when we were on twitch I choked on it man. What am I gonna say, dude? I should have set you up better then. I apologize Oh, no, no, I I was I was bragging about how good I am at pronouncing you did so colovsky perfectly the first time in every time Ah, I don't know whatever for whatever reason. I looked at it and I just I choked all right I'm sorry. I'm sorry to bring that up But I I just didn't want you to think that I gave you that out of maliciousness No, because we were joking about it. Of course not. No, it's only the really weird asian ones Weird asian and indian ones are the ones that I'm just like oh come on Uh, but yeah, so so like so legendary. Sorry legendary restaurants. Do they have any other legendary? Properties that they can revive. Oh, so that apparently is a new okay a new LLC but even then What what I'm going to guess Well, yeah, let's let's get into the steak and ale No, no, no, no steak and ales found there's an independent restaurant chain in dallas on february 26 1966 On january 29 2008 the chain's remaining 58 locations Closed as part of a chapter 7 bankruptcy proceeding chapter 7 in 2014 the ceo benegins Announced their intended comeback, but that was later pushed to early 2017 Like a kid can we see stuckeys come back? Yeah, I don't know Uh popular menu items at steak and ale included the signature herb roasted prime rib In club the new york strip the filet mignon the hawaiian chicken and spicy grilled chicken pasta The restaurant featured unlimited salad bar or a choice of soup with most of its entrees on the dinner menu It also featured free drink refills and honey wheat bread Formally known as squaw bread before a group of native americans threatened to protest and sue over the offensive use of the word squaw yeah steak and ale also offered a lunch menu with many items under Six dollars and 99 cents in the mid 90s in an attempt to revitalize lagging sales the early evening menu was introduced In addition to lower prices all the early evening fairs included free beverages and free desserts Some of the complimentary dessert selections were strawberry sundown cake twilight triple fudge cake and spice cake The restaurant was uh also featured wine samples for only 25 cents Wait, so did they invent the early bird special or? As I was thinking along the same lines. Yeah When you change your business model to hit the early bird special crowd that means your your audience is dying Yes You know what that's very depressing because that's my breast. That's my parents problem They're very popular amongst older people. Unfortunately, their clientele is slowly getting dropped off It's doing years when he says it's his parents problem people may not realize he means his parents own a restaurant So that's their restaurant. Yeah, and it was very popular with the older crowd including the the uh the early bird gets the discount I wonder if there's a way to manage The nostalgia cycle And it actually sounds like that's what bennington's is trying to do here So that you get the older people who like the thing because they've always liked it And then the young people who like it because it's throwback And you urge those crowds is that impossible? Yes, let me let me let me let me spit you some game here to the history Uh restaurant pioneer norman brinker founded steak and ale in 1966 in dallas The chain with its dimly lit dining rooms Filled itself as offering an upscale steak experience at lower prices And it was seen as a model for the casual dining steakhouse and many executives, uh There went on to run other large chains. It was so successful that it was purchased in 1976 when pillsberry purchased it and folded it into a restaurant group with burger king bennington's and other stores At the time the company had 113 locations of steak and ale and jolly ox Uh the name that it used in markets that didn't allow references to liquor in the restaurant name Uh in 1982 pillsberry spun the company off Along with bennington's in the independent sna restaurant group And it went on uh late 80s at 280 locations Uh before uh the fact that it just it got murdered by the fact that it created a genre the the idea of the uh, you know the state Perience casual steakhouse was invented by steak and ale and then it just got subsumed by it Well, yeah, I mean before when you went out for dinner at a place like that You'd have to get dressed up and I guess people were like, you know, I'll put on a jacket and tie but i'm not gonna You know do the rest of it because it's a it's a lot of effort to eat steak I kind of miss the old red lobsters I have never even had a red lobster Oh my god, I I once dated a girl that loved red lobster and just wanted to go there Uh uh for birthdays and valentine's days and stuff like that Did you smell like drawn butter? Well, it's the cheddar bay biscuits, man They uh, well see the old the old red lobster in the 70s was very much like steak and ale They had the dim lighting, you know and the the fancy decor Candles on the tables and you felt like you're at a really fancy restaurant But it was lower prices Uh and now it's just become more of a you know well-lit family restaurant right There used to be a franchise mcdonald's in medesta that advertised um Like at eight. No, it's at 6 30. No 7 30. They offered uh dinner by candlelight Oh, really? I was thinking like who are you attracting to a mcdonald's? For a candlelight dinner. I mean like yes Maybe uh, I mean in high school. I went on some dates to mcdonald's. Maybe that would have been appealing People get married at the taco bell in vegas. Like there is You know brand loyalty Is a very interesting phenomenon Like mcdonald's means something more to them than it than it would do us You know, it's kind of weird. I would have said I was brand loyal But the problem is like a lot of those brands over time have shifted In so much like their food what they originally you attracted to them for No longer exist or like for example like the um The really cool happy meals used to get like glass like collector glasses even though they're really cheap um Those things were like I used to I used to love burger or mcdonald's was a burger king They did the bump at once. Yeah, and I used to like I always loved burger king because they had um At those glasses a and w was the other one a and w burger drinks because they had the uh fireplace with the chain link Um Screen in front. It just seemed very classy for a fast food restaurant at the time. It's just hard to maintain though It is so that's what they don't do it and all generically they all end up looking exactly the same. Yeah So now i'm in a deep dive on benegins Because apparently there are still close to 40 Franchised benegins still open. Wow. That's more than I would have thought because you never see them anymore Including one in santa clara. Huh? Hey for more on benegins patrons Check your full audio version at patreon.com slash dtns Everybody else. We'll see you tomorrow