 And we're back with the breakfast and plus CV Africa. Tunde Kola Wale is on standby this morning. He joins us via phone. Tunde, it's good to have you join us. Good morning and compliment him. Good morning, my sister. Yes, please. How was your Christmas? Well, we are at work, and you know how it goes. OK. I thought you were going to send me a letter from that Christmas gift. Oh, it's not over yet. It would definitely get to you gradually, steady, and slowly. OK. Thank you so much. And then let's quickly turn our attention to the punch newspaper this morning and see what the punch's got to say. Several big stories across different parts of the papers or across the parts of the papers. The PDP crisis is what made it to the front page, and it's boldly written on the punch this morning. Agreed, governors may endorse or bastinger a candidate January the 5th. Governors at London meeting vow to back southern presidency. We're talking about the G5. And the question of whether these governors, I mean, we know these governors belong to a political party upon which they were elected. And they became governors. Now, whether or not their party might be living up to their expectations. Should they be acting contrary? Should they not be in support of the presidential candidate of their various party? Name your preferred presidential candidate. PDP dares angry governors. OK. Good luck to Artico if he thinks he can win without us. But a judge is quoted to say, economic crunch Senate proposes 376 new agencies. Wow. At a time where we're still grappling with revenue. Narrow redesign, flooding affected our Greek sector. Narrow redesign and flooding affected the our Greek sector. That's what the governors are quoted to say. That's on the punch this morning. And just before we move away, all your Niger crushes killed 20, seven die in Calabar carnival. There's several reports as to, you know, the exact number of persons who have died. And that's not good, you know, for the media. Iqiti Tribunal delivers judgment today. There goes six recovery of three drowned beach goers. Presidential panel reviewing workers' salary in Gigei is saying, it feels like we have, you know, forgotten about the issue of the ASU, the lecturers. And then, of course, the strike. We probably might have a comeback in January when the festivities over. I'm just thinking. On the leadership newspaper this morning, 2023 elections, it says, atikoo obi kwan kwa so optimistic of victory on fest ballot. Our candidates enjoy solidarity, support of majority of Nigeria. That's what the PDP saying. Labour Party insists projection show is leading. I take that again. Labour Party insists projection shows it's leading. Niger see kwan kwa so as only alternative NMPP. We're making inroads, SDP's saying. I mean, that's what it should be. But at the end of the day, you talk about casting of votes. There are a lot of persons who have not gotten their PDC yet. Some persons who might just be on patriotic when it comes to that day, and not be able to go out and cast their votes. So there's a lot that needs to be done. Inflation, federal government will increase workers' salaries. That's what Ngige is saying. I am not fretting over Goomba governorship race, who are saying all of that. And carnival caliber, many fear dead, as car crushes into crowd. Narrow redesign, ATM steel dispensing all notes, 13 days after roll out. And that's the truth. Like I said, I'm here to see the Niren out. 16 abducted in fresh Kaduna attack. These are some of the headlines you find this morning on the leadership newspaper. We turn our attention to the nation, and that's because it's made available by a paper vendor. Government raises hope on salary increase for workers in 2023. Move to cushion rising inflation. Effect says Ngige. So this is also to cushion, I mean, the plan is to cushion the effect of inflation. Presidential Committee on Salaries is already reviewing the salary structure and is expected to come up with salary adjustment in New Year. And some people will argue differently rather than talk about increase of salary, which is also very important, but it's possible, it's important that you fix other economic issues and concern, which would allow for, because it's okay for you to have an increment. But when, you know, the prices of goods and services basic commodities on the high, how far can the salary go? Ex-governor, Namani predicts Chernobyl's victory. Slain lawyer was pregnant with twins. Buhari killing his juniors. And motorist kills seven at Kalaba carnival parade. Ipman insists on improved supply to end petrol crisis. These are the headlines you find this morning on The Nation. And then we have the St. Newspaper. Buhari furious over killing of Lagos lawyer by police man. It goes beyond being furious. We're talking about police brutality here. What is the president furious about? Police brutality. And then if he is, we should swing into action. Direct police authority to take strongest possible action against corporate. Some were new promises. Justice sends delegation to family. How two hospitals rejected my wife before death. Oh, that's so unfortunate. The widow escorted to say that's the husband of Bolanley. Federal government to make pronouncement on salary increase soon in Gige. Describes 2022 as a year of industrial dispute. Atiku, Chernobyl's camp, both of victory at first ballot dismisses survey. 10 die, six injured in Lagos Ibadon Express accident. We have no hand in attacks on INEC facilities. All the crimes that's what Ipob is saying. And caliber carnival turns bloody. As 15 feared dead and scores injured. Are they expresses sadness and cancel, you know, the fiesta or really that's, that's very unfortunate. Islamic cleric tax tunable on government of national unity, emo indigents in diaspora use Lord Uzodema over security infrastructure. These are some of the headlines we have this morning on the daily sun. Well, it's time for us to, you know, have a guest this morning, Tunde Kolauli showing his thoughts. Tunde, it's good to have you join us this morning. Thank you for having me, my two foot. Well, Tunde, I'd like to share your thoughts on this. The economic crunch, the fact that the Senate is proposing 376 new agencies shunning a report that's being made. What are your thoughts? Honestly speaking, I want to say that is the wrong way to go. When you take care of what government is doing all over the world today, they are trying to, and detecting more money and searching for technology, bring important technology into government so as to receive the size of government. So what one would have thought is for the Nigerian Senate and the Nigerian government to enlist what is happening in the other parts of the world. Because when government is bloated, it can't consume more resources. That's a very important issue. Go into development, into infrastructure, into hospitals, into housing, SNS schools all over the place. Why do people are going in this direction? But most times, these things are born out of selfish intentions. They are thinking about how their world and children are not as good as the employees of these MDAs and what are they. They are also thinking about what is wrong. At the end of the day, those MDAs might be coming in when they come to speak but they are not sure what. In the National Assembly, are you asking yourself, where is the money to start running, managing and investing in the government which is agencies and MDAs all over the country? Is it possible that this is not calling the current trend that you could change in the other parts of the world? Well, it's very saddening that those who should be calling the shots and those who should be making laws and ensuring that everything goes smoothly seem to have a disconnect with our current reality. What's the rationale there? Exactly. I'll give you an example and with due respect, you will remember that on three occasions now, the law has been taken to the Senate and the National Assembly in a different piece of law in which the Senate and future are establishing in a different piece of law and war. And you ask yourself, with all the amateur security agencies that we have all over the country, I know that what differences have all those things in this world? I mean, people want to publish a non-governmental agency that's not allowed. It doesn't require any law by the National Assembly. All that such things want to do, or may also do, is to register with the Corporate Affairs Commission and establish this. Because I have studied the proposed activities that the Magirabh District wants to do. It is not different for what the Boy Scouts, what the Boys D.A., all over the world. Why do you now want to create that agency and then impose its responsibility and the committee of that organization on the federal government of the institution? The only answer I have, the only possible answer I have is that at the end of the day, please resolve for another company which is contributing the National Assembly and floating. Because that's when the National Assembly and the National Assembly are out of governance, they will see how some organizations have been making banshee-poo return to them on the yearly or non-governmental. Let's move away from that and talk about politics, the PDP crisis. Some people would say it's not a crisis. But there are several reports saying that there's a lot of division, several factions, especially in different states across the federation, of the PDP. And that's not really good was when you say your intention is to win an election and be in charge of power. On the punch newspaper, he says, Agript Governors may endorse the former president's candidate that's Ushiguno Basundro, his candidate on January the 5th. Tunde, what do you make of the actions of this Agript Governors? Don't you think that this is contrary or this is an anti-party kind of behavior that this Governors are putting? Is it not expected that they should endorse or support presidential candidates of their parties? Exactly, exactly. Let me say this, and very emphatically so, that what does that mean? The PDP potentials a lot of changes for the Nigerian nation. If the PDP doesn't convert from the 2000 election and the SPC has to win the presidency and some of the Governors are dominant for the win the 2000 election, chances are that the Nigerian will reverse to one party's case. And when the Nigerian will reverse to one party's case, that means the most happy will never try to leave part of the world again. When you take the antecedents of the APC all over the country, into conditions and all that, especially with respect to the local government elections and what are they? These people are not disposed to a clear and clear election. And when you have a government that's not disposed of clear and clear elections, at the center, which the other parties are very weak and unable to compete effectively with the APC, then the Nigerian can as well say goodbye to democracy and the clear and clear election from 2000 and then effectively. More importantly, look at the governor. So they say they are decent Governors and Norah. He said they want to hold a meeting and Norah. They fly outside the country to hold a meeting. When we do have a lot of political places, we have first meetings can be held in this country. You are not of Uphuturaj. You are not some of those resource in Leki and Niger. You are not some of the resource in Leki and Niger. But rather than investing in their own people and their own environment and Norah, they go and put food on the tables of people who will have nothing or who is not going to in any way add value to us as a people. This is a very, very unpatriotic nature that shouldn't be coming from the different Governors or whatever they call themselves. Furthermore, you and I will know there was a convention of the KDP. We are not just people who emerge as the presidential plazaer of the KDP. See, the big seven Governors were there and all the other Governors were there and nobody held their hand. They participated in that convention and I'm not just people who emerge by whatever means, whether it's both the vote or people voted for him or another. If you think about here, it's me feeling here as the plazaer of the party. Whoever has different, no matter how big the debate might be, they are supposed to line up behind the secret door. The convention of the parties and the Congress is here here, decision making body of that party. And once the convention of the Congress has said, look, this is the flag there as the plazaer of Noura, they will not slide on all the other parties in that party to feel out to feel behind the plazaer and in the plazaer. And we cannot go to feel behind the plazaer of Noura. What we are expected to do to leave the party and vote for the plazaer of Noura to think we better present your interest to all candidates who think you might want to vote for and not to stay within the party and start to join it for Noura to promote that. So when you do that in Noura and Noura, it is another party activity and now we are expected by now that the party Congress and the party leadership and Noura should have come out hopefully and will the big speak against the so called five G5 governors that were at the helm of this session. And let me also say this, it is possible for larger people to win the election without this G5.com up. Because time is the issue with this. Majority of the people in the party will not contend or might not agree because the governors are saying because immediately they lose the next election and all that. It will be like suicide for them for them to get back their reason and certain unknown become a party that can contest and contend for what power will take another maybe 10 years for them to organize. So I am not sure that the rank and file of the people who want to work with the G5 governor such that they will lose the presidency, come to 1060 because like I said, the party has the opportunity to do that and that will be suicide for the party. And that suicide might not be good for the rank and file of the party. And for the Noura people as well because one party democracy is too dense for any African leadership to come back upon. It leads to this power. It leads to the country and the fundamental human. It also needs to kind of the abrogation of the rule of law. We can have to work together. Calla Wale, I'd like us to move away from that subject because I think that this might continue up until the election. But it's really unfortunate incident for our democracy because political parties at the end of the day arguments have been that this lack of internal democracy and this is actually playing out very well. But on the leadership newspaper, they are concerned about the non-seculation or the lack of dispensing of the new note from ATMs, especially in Lagos, Lagos right here. And just 13 days after it was released, the ATMs are still dispensing the old note and we have 34 days before it becomes, the old note stops becoming a legal tender and then the new one becomes very prominent then. So what do you make of this now? What do you think of the situation and what's the economic implication for all of this? What you have seen with the mineral design is it's actually depending for tools you and I will know that the time span that we do have and the secrecy that's surrounded in design of the Naira and Noura, we almost tell you that it is the digital for the government to really be able to meet the expectation also to really be able to put enough money in circulation and also the new money in circulation and we draw the old notes on the circulation. If you also ask to that, the trauma or the allegations or what they see being governor is also who is supposed to be cosmetic of this activity is going through today. You and I will know that we are not in good state to be able to handle that new Naira design and then we draw the old Naira from circulation. This happened before when General Mohammed Buhari was a media head of state in which he suddenly woke up and then decided to change the Naira note. So as so, when does he play? For that money, any of the people here in Naira in the shopping centers, in their farms and in the sofas of their city room, you didn't work at that time, like in the city five or eight years old or the other, you didn't to work. It was the Kulota period. Because when people still money is part of the work, but when people are better people, the first thing they do is that they go to the to the foreign exchange market and take those money to nine, to 12, 11, to five, 12, and one of it, which value we call Kulota. And the one that is going to change the dollars and Naira and Noura, the one you're facing in shares and stocks, and the one that doesn't invest in stocks and Noura, they used to buy property. At the end of the day, these ordinary people they really will suffer the package that in the village, the woman who also pancake in Lagos, these are the people who have a bank account. And they go for all the other ordinary people on the street and Noura. You ask yourself, what is the purpose for which this Naira is designed to achieve or is meant to achieve? I can't point to any good objective that is likely to achieve within those short span of time that they are given to them. I think that the kind of, I'm not going to say they're good, I'm one of the people who are not good enough. I mean, color-wally. Color-wally, I'd like us to talk about what becomes of the economy that's of our country on the 31st. I mean, shortly after the 31st of January, especially when we don't have this note in circulation, the new note, what becomes of our country? What would happen? What are we looking at? Do you think there's going to be an extension or that law would take effects automatically that the old notes would no longer become illegal tender? I predict that there's likely going to be an extension. And immediately there's an extension. Whatever intentions that those who came out with this program are, who would have been, no, the price would have been negated. For them, the implication of the economy is very great and what are they? Those who have honesty and can really make their money are likely to lose such money, of course. The money, the old Naira notes, as it was in their hands and all that, there won't be enough time and space for them to be able to extend it to the new Naira notes and what are they? For them, I see a situation in which a lot of small businesses and companies are likely to collapse because of these Naira designs. As it happens, it's going to keep going. It's likely to happen again this time around when people have honestly made their money and they kept it somewhere and then they cannot put it back as much as Naira. That money is lost forever and the strength of their power is not compensated by the people. Furthermore, the politicians, like I said, will be the ones to benefit from it. They already have large volumes of cash and dollars and cash tally and euro in their hands are Naira. They, again, will be the ones to manage the bank at the end of the day when these old politicians are at top. Furthermore, there could be consequences on the Naira election, the 2020 election. We've put in too many things on fire before the Naira election. And that is why some people are beginning to think that there might be an agenda to release some cash in the 2020 election because if you want to turn 2023, there's just a lot of money and all that. Then you wouldn't be coming out with this kind of political program that Naira Naira is not there. Well, that's also planned by the federal government to increase salaries. And this is just to cushion the effect of inflation. Do you think that this is actually a very rational economic decision? Yes, Mahu Elementary, Mahu Elementary, Elementary understanding of economic situation. In the period of inflation, we are in need to withdraw more money from circulation so that inflation can come down. Even if you are of inflation, the federal government is not thinking about putting more money into inflation and all that. The chances are to consequence is that there will be further swelling that inflation and all that. We saw that during the Udoji Yodon, the leader of the Naira Kuwuk award, in which the country was said to have more money in the treasury than it could have to. And then they started giving increased salaries and provided them in buying cars, houses, and all that. Home and house of people of all that. At the end of the day, money that should have gone into critical investment for such a lot to consumption. We didn't really give the money for such a result to the Nigerian economy and the Nigerian people. So with these policies too, I foresee that it is what aggravates the inflation that we have in society. When there is inflation, there are more softwares by which you can really push the advantage of those inflation that increases the salary. I give you one example, but not get set up in Nigerian economy is comatose. And when you look at those maybe else, the economy is not like that. Nigeria is the only country in which when you want to buy a car, you want to build a house, you want to buy a house, build a house, build a water house. You have to steal money from the system. And these are not the people who are right to under-organize the sector. You also have to steal money. Now you can go to your fund, but then go to the mortgage decision and borrow money, and then you weigh them back in the fish net. And that is the reason why you find out corruption is as common and then make them in Nigeria. I would rather want to say is the government really desire to push the advocacy of the employer that they are doing that. They should be looking at the area of mortgage sector in the area of food security, bringing them the cost of food by putting more money in the hands of farmers to leave plants and more things that people could eat. And also investing in the security people, in fact the way that they will be able to secure the land. And then the farmers will be able to go back to the farm to clear the land and produce the food for the people. But to the color, Wale, we can also take out the fact that, you know, inflation has a direct impact on salaries. Exactly, exactly. So if you are saying that, I mean, it's not a good thing to do. There will be enough, I mean, so much money in circulation that what then should be done because people are spending more and the salaries is not even meeting up to, you know, the daily needs of the people with the cost of goods and services. I agree with you, my sister. But let's take this hypothetical example. People are now buying petroleum products. And this, for example, goes for about 1,000 Naira now. And then the other petroleum products like petrol and water, goes for about 300 Naira per unit in the stations and water. If government will make the framework available and then you crash the prices of those petroleum products and people combine petrol and water, the cost of transportation will come down, the cost of transport is food from the rural area to the urban sector will also come down and water will. And then the maintenance of the food will also be in the Naira. Some of these things have a direct or color effect on the well-being of the average manager and worker. If I feel like to bring down inflation, it will go in that direction. We're not looking in that direction. And that is the direction which I think which is the cause. I'm putting more money in the hands of the people to have an account. When you look at it, how many people are directly involved? How many people are working for the state government? How many people are working for the state government? They are less than 10% or 30% of the population. They think it's what happens to them. How are you going to relate and address their own problem in terms of inflation around the country? I'm not sure that the Nigerian, an average Nigerian worker will be very, will be excited with your thoughts this morning as regards, you know, increasing. The truth is only a bit hard, but most ones shy away from pain. Half of the people who admire this country that they will play the hostage. We bury our heads in the sand. They pretend that there are no problem. The truth of the matter, we have no problem. And the inflation has never been killed by putting more money in the hands of the world. I challenge you to that because of the measures. All right, as we course this down, it would just be the last for me here. The president has reacted and that's on the Daily Sun newspaper this morning. According to the headline, it says, Buhari furious over the killing of the Lagos lawyer by police man. How do you react to this? Especially when the spin, you remember the hashtag answers protests that was in a short while movement and it hasn't stopped because the people have continued to speak up. However, what do you make of this when? What do you make of the president's reaction and response, you know, juxtaposing that with the demands of the people? Let me say this, in the last few months of the Annabelle, more than three lawyers have been killed all over the country. I'm also aware that some lawyers have been tried in some courts from Trump of charges that were pulled up by the Nigerian police and the Social Security Party. The lawyers that were killed outside Lagos were transmitted by certain persons or the other. Where are these other ladies who have been killed by the Nigerian police? And you also know it has been falling down for you that before now they said about three months ago, four months ago, one other person was also killed at a part of the place where this lawyer was killed and that a male Nigerian citizen and that the police knew who killed the man, also killed from that particular police station. Where this other person killed the lawyer also came from and wore a suit. The truth of the matter is that not too long ago, you and I, like you are referring to us back, we are the end of the end of the approach. And after the end of the process, not a panel or a set of all over the country, we feel as recommendations as regards how we can really call the police brutality and the inefficiency all over the place. And what do we now plan at the killing of the lawyer? As we have the call to implement those recommendations and things that those panels are recommended. Because I'm aware that those panels will be recommended. So first the police officers should be seen and then they should be taken to the court of competent decision and tried for the person that they are committing. But the president and then they have to be given the decision as the truth of the matter with regards to that. Furthermore, if you are competent with the appeal of criminal justice lawyer Nigeria, which has the old gamut of recommendation as regards how we can call police brutality, in what way are the circumstances and then the migrants will be included at the level, at the level of the government level and the federal and the federal government level. But that will implement the law that are contained in the case of criminal justice system and all that. There's not enough to do. All that they are concerned with is how the security agencies, the police, the PSS, the army and all that will protect them in power and protect their personal interests. And now those security agencies can be destroyed against innocent citizens for particular purposes and what happens. But when I have the president saying that the laws he's taking cause another I said to take him to the streets or so. I would rather want to see the president begin to implement the law that contains the criminal justice law 2016. And then the federal government they said to begin to implement the recommendations of the panel that stands after them as a panel. And also have the court to bring to justice the police name who engages in this kind of very, very innocent activity. No, but to the color Wale, I think that we have Just a minute, just a minute. My sister, just a minute, just a minute. This is very very important. Look at those who killed those lawyers. Two of the policemen who persuaded them to kill them. They found the common intention. They went to that particular place and they were there when that lawyer was killed. And if they are succeeded, if they are not killed, they go back to their session. Whatever money they were able to source from people, they will share it together. Because to us, those policemen, who we can describe as the part of the criminal or they have the the accessory after the fact of the killing of those of that lawyer. And the criminal, they copy them. Those policemen, to us that policeman is not as they believe. But the general policemen have to let them go. Leaving only the man who pulled the trigger to present the the consequence of that. Whereas they are nice to know all these are complicit, all these are accessory after the fact of the killing of the lawyer. But the police authority has practically let you of those policemen go. We are at the killing of them. You will face the justice with the death of the you know, killing of that lawyer. Well, you also would agree with me that we're costing it down on. I mean, but you agree with me that the laws are very explicit about the issue of murder. And so I really don't know if the president has to be does the president need to arrest this persons? Because if you commit murder, whether whoever it is that you were, I'm not sure that there is a clause or a phrase in the law that says, oh, if you're the president or the governor, police officer, if you commit murder, then you exempt it. The law is there. Who should implement all of this? We're talking about the arrest is the police themselves. And so why they're not doing that? Does the police itself not have a system to poach itself? There's a police commission. Why do we still have- Don't forget. Don't forget. So I mean- The best way is to call the police after that commission. Also don't forget that the president and the president they keep law is out of the country. In the past, we have seen presidents saying that certain parties, certain parts of the country should be put on a death wish. Kola Wale- We are not the president. Kola Wale, my point is the police, the president, yes, of course, we know that the issue of the police is within the exclusive list. And of course, we know that the president, it's a central issue, right? And, but you can't say that the president himself should be the police officer across the different parts of the country. The police is the police. Kola Wale- You are both better. Kola Wale- So if we have the laws, why is it that these laws are not respected? They should implement the laws. And if someone is not implementing the law, the system itself should poach the system, should poach itself of all of this rot. Kola Wale- Let me tell you, let me tell you why laws are not implemented. We, the lawyer, the McGillian lawyers, have been saying through times, times the thousand number now that the president should be the president of appointing the administrator of the tradition. Kola Wale- We have to- Kola Wale- And that the officer of the administrator of the tradition should be separated from the chief prosecutor of the tradition at the state level and the federal level. Because the office of the administrator of the president is political, the office of the administrator of the secretary is also political. The governors appoint them. This is what the end of the year, the president or the governor wants them to do. Most times, they do. But be the act of separation of power. And with the chief prosecutor for the state and the chief prosecutor for the tradition, it's not the political and political with the president and all that. We will be having a better demonstration of the law all over the country. But they will not allow that to happen. Kola Wale- Thank you. We have to let it go at that point. Kola Wale- Thanks for having me. Kola Wale- Thank you so much, Tunde Kola Wale, and having us have a Merry Christmas and a prosperous 2020. Kola Wale- Thank you. Kola Wale- All right then. It's really unfortunate that there's been really different reaction as regards, you know, the issue of police brutality. And following the recent killing of Bala Raham, Bala and Leigh Raham Abegyopardin, who was shot by a police officer. And some people are saying, oh, it's not important that we talk about it because it didn't happen in our state or in our climate. I mean, it's not what's happening here. So let's talk about what's happening. Well, we seem to forget that we're humans before we are, you know, from any ethnic religion, before you begin to put tags on yourself, you're a human being. And that's what's very important. She's a human being. Whether or not she's a lawyer, that's not the point. She's a human being and who has a right to life. And that life was caught short. We're saying that this is going on. A lot of people are losing their lives on a daily basis. Those who should protect us are taking the lives of those that should protect. And the fact that these persons are paid with taxpayers' money, it's really unfortunate. We can't continue like this and expect a different result. With the president frowning and getting angry and being shocked and, you know, different statements and condolences does not change the issue. There was a protest, you know, two years ago that's been a remembrance in 2022. I'm also sure that there might also be a remembrance in 2023. But does it change anything? Let's think about that. That's much we can take this morning at this point. We take a break. When we return, we'll be delving into our first major conversation. Please stay with us.