 Okay, good morning. Good morning everyone and thank you for joining this Thursday morning mentoring our time for interaction, time for questions, time for discussion, just talk about things that would be on our minds or of interest to us. Thank you for connecting. I started the recording so the session will be recorded for the benefit of other people. We're also having people join the call now so just give them a minute. Let's take a moment to pray and then we will get started and I think it's Gene or Jay Chikmar who want to host it. Jay, did you host it two weeks back? I forgot. Yeah, but I think I hosted. Oh, you hosted two weeks back? Okay. Okay, week before last. Okay, okay, okay. Then Gene, are you okay with hosting today? Yes. Okay, fine. Good. Let's just pray together and we will get started. Yeah, have it. Do you want to pray with us? Pray for all of us before we get started? Okay, let's pray. Thank you. Okay. Father God, I want to thank you for the gift of this new day. I want to thank you for each and everybody who is already in the call. Father, I'll give a lift on to your hands, on to your Lord. We dedicate ourselves on to your Lord such that whatever we do, we do your name. We also ask for your tendermis is Lord throughout this day. We also pray for those ones who are yet to connect, also to connect. Maybe those who have internet problems, you help them Lord. We give on to each and everything into your hands through Jesus Christ. I have prayed. Amen. Amen. Thank you. Have God bless you. Thank you so much. Okay. So we are ready to get started. I'm handing this off to Gene who will host the call. Everybody's welcome to participate. Please go ahead. You can type your questions or unmute and ask. I have made a note of two questions from last week, but the people who ask the questions have not yet joined, so we'll just wait for them before we respond to those questions. Over to you Gene. Thank you, Pastor. Thank you. So good morning, everybody. Welcome to this time where we can talk, we can discuss, bring about questions, any thoughts that that's been on our mind, maybe anything that we're learning. So I leave this open. You could either chat, you could either put your question up on chat or unmute and raise your questions and we can address them. Yeah, so it's open to all of you. Probably I'll just ask this question. This came up while we were discussing, you know, in the Corinthians class in the third year students like we were going through chapter 14 and verse 22. Therefore, tongues are for a sign not to those who believe, but to unbelievers. But prophesying is not for unbelievers, but for those who believe. And then verse 23, therefore, if the whole church comes together in one place and all speak with tongues, and there are there come in those who are uninformed or unbelievers, will they not say that you are out of your mind? And then he goes on to say, you know, if all prophesied, then if an unbeliever comes, then he is convicted, convinced, and declares that Jesus is a Lord. But I think the problem was with verse 22, which says that tongues are for a sign not to those who believe, but to unbelievers. And we know that, you know, tongues are assigned for unbelievers, like we see in Acts chapter 2, where people speak in the known language, and then it's a sign people are drawn to, they are amazed, perplexed, and then they hear the message and they are drawn to Christ. But the second part of the verse, but prophesying is not for unbelievers, but for those who believe. And then the verses following that seem to be like a challenge or contradiction, because so if Rabbi Pastor can share something on those. Yeah. Thank you. Thank you. So yeah, so these two verses, you know, they're right after each other, but they seem like they're speaking exactly opposite things. But the way I've always understood it is that the Apostle Paul is telling us of the different uses of these vocal gifts, that tongues, like you've already shared, they can be assigned for the unbeliever, but if it is not properly exercised in a church gathering, something that was supposed to be assigned to the unbeliever can be a cause for mocking. Because in verse 22 he says, look, it's a sign for the unbeliever, but when you're all together and you start speaking in tongues, the same people who come in, they will think you're out of your mind. So what is actually intended to be a gift, to be used to impact the unbeliever, if it is misused or not, if it's not properly exercised by the church, it can have a reverse effect. It will, the same unbelievers will start laughing at us, saying, what if these people are mad. So the same thing, prophecy. Prophecy is primarily like he says earlier, he prophesies, he edifies the church. It first contains 14 verse 3, he says, you're edifying the church. But that same gift, which is meant to serve the church, believers, edify believers, bring exaltation, edification, exaltation, comfort to the church, can be used to impact unbelievers if exercised properly. So I think, well, the main point is Paul is getting across in the latter part of chapter 14 as the proper exercise of the gifts. So I think in these two verses, he's showing us both. He's showing us that if a gift is not exercised properly, what is supposed to be good can bring a bad name. And also a gift that is meant for the church, if exercised properly, can also affect the unbelievers and bring them in to the kingdom. So the emphasis is on the exercise these gifts in a proper way, and it will have impact to the church as well as to the unbelievers. Yeah, I think so. I think that just that statement, but prophesying is not for unbelievers. I think that was the one which is a little challenging. The other thing is, yes, of course, that the proper usage of gifts and how it can benefit both the unbeliever and the believer. Yeah, I think a good example will be in John 4, the prophetic, where Jesus was sitting at the woman at the well, and there was a word of knowledge, and he called out, go and call your husband. He says, I have no husband. So there's a beautiful example where the prophetic is used to impact somebody who doesn't know much about God. Thank you. Thank you, Pastor. Thank you for addressing that. Yes, it's open for any other questions. So if you could put up your questions, or just unmute, we could answer that. Yeah, even if it's a question that was probably raised in class, it would be nice if we could bring that up here so that all of us could learn too. So there was a question that was raised in class and we required any more clarity. It can be raised here as well. Hello, Pastor Jean. Hello, Herbert. Yes. Okay, thank you so much. I have some colleagues of mine who are in e-learning and you cannot easily access the current information or assignments before completing the prerequisites and so on. So could there be some assignments which are yet to be due within this time as maybe they have not yet got some like enough megabytes to download all other information and they get updated? They are worried that they might be caught up with the deadline. Thank you. I'm just trying to see if I understood it. Yes, Pastor. Yeah, so Herbert, what people do is we will, okay, so the reason we have like the prerequisite is we want to make sure that all those on the e-learning that they actually watch all the lectures because they're not attending class. That's why we make it a requirement to watch all the classes in sequence and similarly with the assignments. But what we can do is I will request all the staff that we don't have a due date on the assignments. So we'll keep the due date open until the end of the semester so that at any point in time they can finish it as long as it's before the last date of the semester. So we will request the staff to do that so due dates can be left open. So as because basically on the e-learning a student can start anytime and as long as they finish before the end date they are fine. So we will request that and that will be helpful. Is it okay? Yeah, thank you so much. It is very clear and it is very good. I hope nobody now will have an excuse of not because some people, some don't have computers, some they share telephone maybe like that. So it is a challenge but then if there is as long as you complete them before the end of the semester it is okay. That is very okay. Yeah, we will do that. Okay, thank you so much. Yeah, I think there's just probably one more issue. I think at the end of each probably unit there are I think some faculty have put in things called as knowledge checks that seems to be completed although they're not graded but it needs to be completed before they enter into the next unit. So I think that seems that is more you need a prerequisite to have completed it before you can go on but the assessments or the assignments can be put in up to later. So would that be okay? Yeah, so the knowledge checks don't have an end date so they have to basically they have to do it meaning yeah but there's no end date so as long as they go through it before the end of semester it's good. Yeah. Yes, thank you Pastor, thank you. Yes, questions. I'm sure it's not a dry day. I'm sure we have a lot of things to ask so type in or jump in. Yes Divya, thank you for raising your hand. Yes Divya, you could unmute and share your question please. Thank you, thank you ma'am. So my question is from Romans chapter 9 from 6 to 12 where it talks about Isaac's children, Esau and Jacob especially with I'll just read that 6 to 12 but it is not that the word of God has taken no effect for they are not all Israel who are of Israel nor are they all children because they are the seed of Abraham but in Isaac your seed shall be called that is those who are the children of the flesh these are not the children of God but the children of the promise are counted as the seed for this is the word of promise at this time I will come and Sarah will shall have a son and not only this but when Rebecca also had conceived by one man even by a father Isaac and in brackets it's written for the children not yet being born nor having done any good or evil that the purpose of God according to election might stand not of works but of him who calls it was said to her the older shall serve the younger as it is written Jacob I have loved but Esau I have a hated so I was a bit confused with what was written in the brackets saying right for the children not yet being born nor having done any good or evil that the purpose of God according to election might stand not of works but of him who calls and then it goes on to say that Jacob I have loved but Esau I have hated so it is not based on anything they have done but why is it said that way okay thank you for bringing this up we just we just covered this yesterday and I'm studying on the book of Romans so Pastor Ocean will be anyway so but okay let me just quickly say this one is if you want to like understand the full chapter of Romans Romans 9 we did we did it yes just yesterday so if you go to our youtube what is it called a pc bible it's called a pc bible college yeah if you go to our youtube channel I think this is the correct one I didn't hope I didn't make a mistake and if you go to the third year third year track and you just pick up the video on from the course on Romans yesterday's lecture we covered all of chapter 9 in that so we'll you know it's we will explain it through but let me just quickly summarize what what so basically here in Romans Romans 9 10 11 the apostle Paul is addressing the question on what is God doing with the Jewish people while the emphasis now is on the church right so that's like the overarching question he's addressing in these three chapters so till room end of Romans 8 he's been talking to believers we are in Christ and so on and Romans 9 10 11 he's shifting focus to addressing this question so Romans 9 1 to 5 the apostle Paul shares his heart you know for the Jewish people he says you know of course he said he's an apostle to the Gentiles he's been he's preaching the gospel but that doesn't mean he has lost affection for his own Jewish people and so he he he talks about that in the first five verses and then he says you know these the Jewish people are the nation of Israel the other ones have received all the covenants the promises and all of that from God so what is God doing now so that's what verse 6 starts off with you know but it is not that the word of God has taken no effect that means it's not that God's promises to Israel has gone void right because God's word is not so that means God's promise to Israel and the Jewish people is still in effect and then he begins to you know state two important things the first thing is this he says but the promise that was given this was verses 7 through 9 7 through 9 the promise that God gave to the people of Israel he said that he said in you know it is referring to the children of promise so he's not just referring to the natural born children of Abraham but he was actually referring to the spiritual children which is basically all of us who believe in Jesus Christ that's how he ends Romans 9 then verse 10 he says and not only this so the second thing so that means God is God's word to Israel is still in effect because what he promised them is not just to the natural born children of Abraham but also to those who are spiritual descendants that's why whatever God is doing now through the church is still actually in effect fulfilling what his word to Israel and not only that so that means here's another thing I want you to know is what Paul is saying and then he starts talking about the overall purpose of God he says and I'm just summarizing this passage then we'll get into verse 11 in detail but he says the overall purpose of God is still in effect and throughout chapter 9 the rest of chapter 9 he is quoting he's referencing different figures from the old testament to show how the purpose of God is fulfilled and somehow the choosing of man kind of comes into that all right so and we were discussing this in the lecture yesterday that we need to interpret scripture in the light of the rest of scripture that means we cannot so in the rest of scripture we see the sovereign the the the free will of man so there is the sovereignty of God the sovereign purpose of God which is his you know that's verse 11 the purpose of God and according to whom he selects the people that he wants to work through and so on so there's a sovereign purpose of God and yet there's a free will choice of man coming in and these two meet together in a in a wonderful and sometimes even mysterious way right so man is a free will agent free model agent and yet God is a sovereign God and yet these two come together so he's saying you look at Jacob and he saw God's sovereign purpose was proclaimed even before they were born even before they were born God said the younger will serve the older so not I'm sorry the older will serve the younger that is Esau will serve Jacob it was prophesied a spoken even before they were born before they they knew even you know they were new good and evil they made a choice anything God already said that he also said I love Jacob I hate Esau and these words were spoken even before they were born so does that mean so so God is declaring his purpose does that mean these these people didn't have a choice you know that they were just robots and you know that things had to happen just because God spoke of that way no we understand that man always have a has a choice so God in in in speaking ahead of time was not predetermining their choices but declaring their choices ahead of time and declaring his purpose ahead of time his purpose is always like in this case he's working through the nation of Israel for his purposes and he's chosen to work through these two people Jacob and Esau but each one made their own choice so why did God love Jacob and hate Esau Hebrews 12 25 26 27 talks talks about it it tells us there that you know and it refers to Esau as a fornicator and so on Hebrews 12 let me get the right word sorry Hebrews 12 16 and 17 yeah and the reason is because Esau was a man who sold his birthright for the sake of one meal as a man who yielded to the flesh Jacob in spite of his flaws chose to pursue God right he chose to pursue God he was not perfect man but he chose to pursue God so God says I love that and I hate that so he's not necessarily hating the individual of course they made their choice and they experienced what the outcome of their choice that God is saying I love the man who pursues the things of God in spite of his own weaknesses so God is declaring his purpose even before things happen he's not predetermining individual's choice and the purpose of God according to his selection is at work and people by their own choice come in align themselves to what he wants right and that there's a lot more that he talks about in the rest of chapter nine he talks about Pharaoh you know who says God hardened his heart what does that mean I talks about he gives the example of the potter in the clay and and and we bring out the fact that there's a difference between the clay and us the clay has no choice but we have a choice and so on so it'll be useful if you listen to that lecture roshan's put that up on the on the on the thing so that explains all of chapter nine I've tried to you know very quickly answer your question there but this is a very challenging chapter yeah thank you thank you pastor so here unless we bring that free will into account we may fail in the right interpretation right that's correct yes in fact there's a separate school of thought we call it calvinistic theology where calvinism that excludes the free will of man and therefore they just focus on the sovereignty of God and the pre predetermination of God and so then that kind of leaves us in a difficult position but yeah yeah yeah thank you I guess I'm encountering so many of those ideas yeah thank you thank you so much thank you baby for the question thank you pastor yeah yes it's open out again for questions yes john yes john thank you for using a question yes um hi pastor so uh in hebrew stuff to go ahead was seven in the days of his flesh he offered up both prayers and supplications with loud crying and tears to the one able to save him from death so we see jesus prays with loud crying and tears um so we do understand the need of prayer and supplication um but practically when we're speaking um is loud crying a still part of our prayers to god sorry john I missed the reference could you um hebrew stuff to five or seven okay so so your question was is loud groans in christ still part of our prayer yes does it need to be uh yeah it's a very interesting question um can I open this out to anyone to answer that this question was are groans cries part should be part of our prayer uh as we as we intercede sir if I may just quickly uh in the classic uh verse that we can look at is romans 8 26 27 it says in the same way the spirit helps us in our weakness we do not know what we ought to pray for but the spirit himself intercedes for us through wordless groans um and I think there are times in our lives and seasons that I mean we don't really know what to pray for I mean to express it sorry roshan we're not able to hear you I think he's roshan okay I think he's uh he's lost connectivity so he was bringing about the verse where the spirit groans uh for us praise so I I I'll take that on and maybe when he comes I think he can also clarify that that reference of of the spirit crying for us on be an intercede interceding on behalf of us is something that we see as an example and that's something that um you know it is an expression of the heart of groaning crying out um in louder the spirit even in the psalms I'm sorry I don't know the reference to that but it talks of how uh our tears are are in the bottle you know that God sees the pain and the struggle that we uh we go through as we intercede or as we make our supplication yeah so I uh is there anybody else who'd like to add to that and roshan if you're back uh would you kindly continue to address that really uh no thank you sorry uh it's um that I mean the connection brought it the same time I finished so my point I think yeah thank you uh yes john I hope that answers your question uh yes kind of okay would you like to expand on that or have a follow-up on it uh yeah so um so so the conclusion should be uh it not necessary that every time we pray we need to have loud crying but it depends on even the circumstances and God considers our cries and tears yes and that has been an been an example that the spirit has also shown which I mean if you were asking is it okay or is it acceptable uh yes it is the expression of you know a prayerful expression that you are a method of an expression yes yes thank you and just another if I may uh another who's reminded of this other character in the bible I think Anna uh in Samuel the book of Samuel says uh I mean that she she was crying out with so much pain and I uh you know that some of the priests thought that she was drunk but actually she was just expressing her pain and in wordless uh you know groans and crying so yeah that's yeah because the book of Samuel all right thank you thank you Pastor Roshan all right we have yes Nancy please I just thought I'd add one more point to what has been discussed so uh John uh yeah like um when we pray I don't think always you know to be loud and to present our prayers in such an intense way is required but yes as Pastor Roshan said sometimes depending on the circumstances and depending on you know uh the state of our hearts uh this is very much applicable like we saw in the case of Hannah I was just reminded of that uh short prayer with Jesus made and um just look at the reference yeah John Levin verse 43 that he uh just sort of calls out with a loud voice Lazarus come forth right so but God heard that prayer so uh I'm just thinking like it's not always required I think it's more about our faith and the fact that we're coming to God we're approaching God you know and uh with the right attitude that is important in prayer is sometimes the expression can be intense but yes that is sometimes yeah I just wanted to add that thank you Jean thank you John thank you Pastor Nancy thank you Pastor thank you thank you John all right there's a there's another question um up on the chat and I'll just read that uh what is what are the seven churches and the revelation John is talking about some somebody teach me this is this is this a seven kind of century and seven centuries are the body of Christ seven century uh heal of the body which one is saying in Genesis 3 15 um brother Abish would you kindly you know just clarify for me are you looking at what are the seven churches in the revelation of John in in in revelation is that what you're asking for yes yes okay okay um the pastor may I ask you to address this question yeah um yeah thank you Abish thanks Jean uh so there's these seven churches that John was John was writing to uh uh literal seven uh seven churches in seven cities that were there at that time right and all of these were actually very close to each other so in today's map today's world map if you imagine Turkey uh the country of Turkey on the west coast of Turkey on the on the west coast there's a sea port a port town called Ephesians or Ephesians was there it was a sea port town so it was on the it's a coastal town on the east on the west coast of Turkey and all the other six churches were very close to very officious wars so these were literal churches are very close to each other all of them in that region and John was on the island of Patmos which is just a little away from the coast on a separate island he was there so Jesus was giving a message to these seven churches so the correct way to understand revelation two and three chapters two and three is this is a literal message from Jesus to each of these seven churches which were existing at that time to take that and then to say that this represents seven seven church ages which many preachers do is not correct uh that is uh using that in a very wrong way but many preachers do that they say that okay these seven churches represent seven ages that is not given that is not true because even when Jill is speaking to John he says John I'm going to speak to you of things that are and things yet to come so the things yet to come start off from chapter four verse one revelations chapter revelation chapters one two and three are things that are so Jesus tells John John write the things which you have seen that is revelation chapter one things that are that's revelation chapter two and three and things that are yet to come revelations for onwards so that's how we must understand it and so it is wrong to interpret as seven ages now can we learn from those seven churches definitely right we can read it and we can say okay these these are the mistakes they made we must not make the same mistakes and these are the good points they had we should imitate the good points so definitely we can learn from all the seven churches but to use that and say they represent seven ages or seven parts of the body of Christ uh that is wrong it's okay okay okay thank you for the question brother Abhish and thank you pastor right um anybody else would like to bring up a question okay there's a question by Herbert I read an article by 40 was repetitively used in the bible like 40 days of rain during Noah's time 40 days of Jesus in the wilderness 40 days of the apostles receiving the Holy Spirit many times people normally say that the days of a thief are only 40 could they be a secret in 40 okay um would somebody like to address this pastor jay kumar or pastor Nancy about the 40 uh the representation of 40 being a number in scripture or pastor dashes uh okay Herbert so Herbert uh the truth is that in the bible God uses certain numbers to signify certain things in the bible but so so we need to be aware of it but we must not create a science like numerology out of that so that's a balance we need to maintain and be careful not to get into so you know there is there are all these you know what I don't recall them as dark sciences like numerology and palmistry and astrology and all of those kinds of things so while God does speak in scripture while there are certain numbers that are used in a certain way by God doesn't mean that we should you know go into numerology so you know we need to keep that foremost in our mind so the answer to your question is yes there are certain numbers in the bible that indicate certain things right so number seven is used throughout in the bible as a symbol a symbol or as a number for perfection you know so you find that throughout bible so 12 is used for government uh that means leadership administration governments or 12 tribes 12 apostles you know it is sort of number 12 is used that way and so similarly we see the 40 being used you know in a very significant way to talk about the season of you know you could use it as a season I mean I'm just signify using it that it signifies a season of transition 40 is used you know as as that you know it took 40 40 years for Moses in the wilderness to go from you know the runaway person to being the leader 40 years from Egypt to Canaan 40 days like you said you know since uh uh it was actually Pentecost which is 50 days but uh since uh Luke says you know he showed himself alive showed himself alive for 40 days so the transition so this 40 is used that way in scripture right now that does not mean uh you read that into every time you see 40 or 40 chapters in the this bible or you know I have turned 40 so it's time to transition or you know don't read that into every num every time you see 40 you only do it when uh when when God is saying look this 40 means this right when the Holy Spirit is really highlighting it otherwise don't read into every 40 that you see as a season or a time for transition that's what I would say is it okay yes thank you pastor okay I just I just want to actually pastor I wanted I had a follow question so a lot of people you know when especially during fasting periods there are these numbers that are used of 7 21 40 uh and to and a lot of them when when you actually ask them they say 40 days of fasting to emulate what Jesus did um so that I've been questions that have come asking should there be specific days of fasting um and I think the obvious answer is even in fasting it is the heart change not the period of time so would that be correct yes yes yeah so you know we don't we don't like think these numbers are magical that okay somebody fast forward because somebody could fast 40 days and nothing happens whereas somebody could fast four days and something big happens you know so the answer correct answer is yes it's the heart before God the days themselves are not magical yeah all right thank you pastor thank you thank you Herbert for all for that question yeah John's asked a question in Revelation 7 5 to 9 we don't see the tribe of Dan mentioned among the 144 000 um could there be any reason also the tribe of Joseph could it mean a flame all right um uh I think uh pastor Paul would you like to take that question or pastor pastor yes pastor Paul you want to go ahead uh you can go ahead uh but a few uh I'm not really sure of this so I think she should be sorry sorry sorry yes let's ask you sure okay yeah um yeah John so uh yeah so we don't know uh so the answer to your second part of your question is yes uh so most people you know they know that okay the tribe of Fram is left over but Joseph is there so uh he so that replaces a frame now we don't know why the tribe of Dan was left out uh but you know some scholars think and I'm just saying this is just you know what scholars think is because of their disobedience or the fact that they didn't uh you know uh were not completely aligned to God's ways so maybe that's why they were left out it's not stated their why Revelation 7 so people think that it's because of that we're not sure but that's what scholars would say maybe the this tribe didn't you know didn't really walk in obedience to God or uh so on yeah okay awesome thank you thank you John um I think Kiran's uh put up a question mark 1 13 to 14 John knew all before John Baptist and did all works okay let me just read that up just pick that up please okay it's mark 1 13 to 14 and just read that and he was and he was there with the wilderness 40 days tempted by Satan and was with the wild beast and the angels ministered to him now after John was put in prison Jesus came to Galilee preaching the gospel of the kingdom of God John knew all before John the Baptist and did all works um I don't know if you've made the right reference to the scripture uh Kiran uh and would you like to ask your question Kiran if you could unmute or just probably type in ma'am the verse is saying the here is little bit prophesy it happened but uh is that John who did who used to uh do baptize the people before Christ coming what is your reference uh Kiran your reference is not mark I suppose is your reference John 1 13 to 14 yes ma'am sorry the the reference is Luke 1 Luke chapter 1 13 to 14 okay thank you okay all right Luke 1 Luke 1 13 to 14 uh I don't think that's the reference either this talks about uh the angel um appearing to Zacharias and Elizabeth uh I I don't think that's your thing but but I think your question was uh did John know what were the okay you need to kindly repeat that what is the question or if you can give us the reference that will help us have a um the background of what your question would be Kiran yeah ma'am Luke chapter 1 verse 13 to 14 that's not the verse uh that I think you're referring to because here the verse is where the angel appears to Zacharias and Elizabeth it says the angel said to him do not be afraid yes ma'am yes this one okay so what's the question Kiran I'm here the little question is like that uh angels appear to Zacharias and don't be afraid and Elizabeth have son uh you you keep the name John okay all right uh so so did John knew that he would become John the Baptist and did would do all you works was that your question yes yes okay all right so the question is did John know that he would become John the Baptist before he became John the Baptist and that he would do these works I think that that's her question um okay I'd like to open this up for thoughts from from the other pastors so what what I what I see is that there was a call to John's life and as the angel revealed to Zacharias and Elizabeth that you know that they would that he would that they would bear a child they definitely knew that there was a call from God for his life and he walked in that call and even scripture you see prophetically it's been spoken about someone who comes to prepare the way for the Lord and that was a referring to John the Baptist so there was a call on his life he walked in it and you know he walked in that in the purposes but maybe I'm not too clear if he did know that he was being spoken about by the prophets that he would be the voice calling out in the desert if someone could probably clarify that yeah just quickly I responded that this is my understanding both for John the Baptist and even for the Lord Jesus Christ you see that uh you know of course all the scriptures spoken off Jesus himself or John thing but I believe that they over time and through their relationship with God came to recognize the call of God it wasn't like you know when baby Jesus was born he immediately knew the purpose of God because the bible says and then we can look at scriptures look look says he grew in stature and favor and wisdom as f50 was foresays you know morning by morning he was taught by the father so why would he have to be taught by the father if he knew everything at the time of his birth why would he have need have to grow in wisdom and in favor if he knew everything at his birth right so you see that there was a progressive growth because he grew as a man he left aside his omniscience and he grew as a man I'm talking about Jesus Christ and if it applies for Jesus then it definitely would apply for John so that he too would you know over time come into recognition of God's plan and purpose and then you know recognize that his calling was defined was expressed in certain scriptures you know why would John say I am the voice of one crying in the wilderness how did he know to quote that scripture he saw his calling in the Old Testament scripture and that would have happened only through his relationship with God so it was a recognition of God's call over time not at the moment of birth okay thank you thank you Pastor Ashish we've come to the end of our session today we are at 853 may I quickly request somebody to please pray and close the session anyone any one of the students Jordan may I request that you close the order prayer or Jordan or Zalitoli and anybody if you could quickly unmute close thank you so much for this session thank you Lord for our pastures for clarifying our thoughts Lord thank you Lord whatever we have learned Lord help us to remember Holy Spirit and help us to be a good witness Lord and as we just was we especially thank you Zalitoli thank you everyone for joining in thank you meet you all at class thank you thank you thank you thank you thank you thank you