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All right post show it is Day attack big Jim calls it Where we mildly offend people without cursing All right, so I'm just waiting just waiting for for YouTube to catch up and I'm gonna use the four What's gonna happen is I'm gonna use the force and I'm gonna magically disappear You won't be able to see or hear me anymore ready Be mindful of your thoughts Jenny Okay, so now that Jenny's gone we can talk Oh, I'm taking this brass cute All right, I have a feeling it's going to It's got to catch up here real soon, so I'm gonna get ready to go here. We go What do you mean catch up what is it doing? Oh, it just takes a while for the API to kick the fact that we're live over to Okay API can be slow apis man. You know I'm saying I know what you're saying man Here we go this episode of the Daily Tech news show is brought to you by me If you'd like to bring the next episode to yourself go to Daily Tech news show comm slash support to be part of the show Let's do this time This is the Daily Tech news for Friday January 15th 2016. I'm Tom er joining me today Mr. Peter Wells who writes for the Sydney Morning Herald Podcaster on Reckoner dot a you and prospective day six DTNS host. How are you sir? I am very well Tom. How you doing? I am doing great Thank you for getting up early on a Saturday morning in your hemisphere to join us No worries man. No worries. I've got a five month old, so I've been up for hours It's like it's actually the middle of the day for you or or or you're in some kind of timeless state to be honest Yeah, that's closer. Yeah, I hear you have been recently mistaken for another Peter Wells And I would like to apologize to you on behalf of the internet It's actually adorable. So yeah, the every time that Peter Wells New York Times critic writes a new blistering review of a restaurant My I've got my DMs open on Twitter, which is probably a mistake But I end up with yeah like 50 DMs that day either saying I'm the funniest thing on the planet or Very very offensive to that poor struggling $3,000 a meal restaurant. So I do apologize. I'm not that guy But if anyone wants to pay me to go to New York and and try that $3,000 a meal, I will give it a shot Definitely and maybe you should just start reviewing Melbourne restaurants just to cause confusion Yeah, yeah, just like kebab shops and things like that. Yeah As you hear cackling in the background Mr. Len Peralta is here as he usually is on Fridays to illustrate the show That actually was more of a cackle You know Peter Wells, I always think that he's a guy from Robocop so Well, he is the guy from Robocop That's the wrong guy completely He changed his name to Wells now you've outed him. Well done Like me who don't really look at last names of people. They just said oh, it sounds like that Yeah, my parents really didn't think about SEO when they named me unfortunately. Oh, there you go That's that's something that the modern family has to take into account. Well, we're gonna talk about Four squares recent issues and what and and just kind of use that as a launching off point of talking about like You know, these got these hot companies like four square that come along like four square didn't 2009 and yet they stick around for a while But then they don't become Facebook What is it that makes us stick around with an app or a service and and what makes us not but let's start off with some headlines Android police reports Android developers can now issue promo codes that can be redeemed in the play store for either a free download of an app Or an in-app upgrade Developers can give out a maximum of 500 codes per quarter and no they don't roll over into the next quarter So you get 500 per quarter and that's it promotion codes can last up to a year, but devs can set expiration dates for For them or even pause the codes something that iOS developers have been able to take advantage of for a while Now the Android devs can do Yeah, pretty a pretty decent little upgrade there for Android and by the way I saw someone mentioning that there's not enough Android love on this show. Well, I do own an Android device So once again, you know support the show and get another Android voice on the show. You know, I'm moving on Yeah, indeed indeed as Technica reports freight forwarding company Flexport noted the US Federal Maritime Commission has issued a license to Amazon China to operate as an ocean freight forwarder in the United States The license allows Amazon China to organize the logistics of shipping goods to the US by boat for itself and for other other companies Amazon has previously leased 20 jets and bought a truck trailer To add shipping capacity which could also be used for the freight forwarding operation and thanks to Flying Spatula for submitting this story to the subreddit Yeah, and big Jim Who does tech and trade and and is a big supporter of the show as well and works in the customs industry Kind of nailed this. He predicted this. He's like, I bet Amazon is gonna do something quite like this and it does sound Like Amazon is putting together I mean and on the one sense you could look at this and say well Amazon ships a lot of things from a lot of places And so it makes sense for them to want to control those supply chains and bring down costs But if you look at what they did with web services They said we have a big website and we have to develop technology to serve this big website So let's start using that technology to sell to other people and Netflix ran on Amazon web services Still does in part lots of companies run on Amazon web services and S3 and all of that sort of thing They built an entirely new business separate from the retail business out of that It's possible. It seems like that Amazon might say well We need to we need to take advantage of all of this freight Logistics help for our own supply chain. Maybe we'll build the Amazon web services of real-world shipping Yeah, it's a perfect analogy. It looks like they've I mean this is very simplistic But it looks like they've got their spreadsheet out and they look at what it what are their biggest costs and Whatever those biggest costs are they're the things that they think well, why don't we own that? Why don't we take that in-house and big Jim's in the chat room? He says these licenses are a big deal partly because they're very expensive and Amazon hasn't built anything to take advantage of it yet It's gonna take them months to probably years to do that So big Jim's prediction is that they buy a few struggling forwarders that are already doing this to build up bulk So they can do it faster Make sense. I was taking a report. That's mine I Know we had two hours techniques around it's very confusing our second report security researcher Patrick Wardle has discovered that Apple has not Fixed the flaw that allows attackers to bypass Apple's gatekeeper feature gatekeeper stops files. It doesn't trust Wardle and exploited Packaged malware by putting it in with a trusted binary so that gatekeeper just looked at the first file saw the executable That is allowed and passed the whole package through Uh Apple's fix merely blacklisted certain files to stop that and Wardle has revived the exploit by using different files To get through the gatekeeper. He'll present his findings at Schmucon this weekend Apple says it has blocked the new files So those new ones that he'll present a schmucon don't work anymore, but Wardle alerted them To those and says he said and Apple says they're working on a way to keep gatekeeper more effective Wardle says I have the way I've created a proof of concept that where gatekeeper just notices that this is happening And doesn't have to have a blacklist, but Apple has not implemented that yet Yeah, a little bit worrying for me I do look after some some Apple computers at work But I don't know for what I've seen we've got about 2,000 Macs on in our organization for me, I I'm not too concerned just because the majority of the Dodgy things that happen on our Mac computers tend to be users clicking on emails They shouldn't and and then you know nothing actually runs on their system, but then they go through and give Information they shouldn't have to a third party. So Yeah, I mean I look security is that I hope they can fix this But yeah, I'd be I'm still more worried about the users to be honest Yeah, it's the kind of thing that you know if I'm if I'm using I don't I tend to to Set the setting very a little lower so that I can bring in third-party apps that are not in the Mac app store Because that's important to me. So so I need to be more careful already It's and and and that's that's part of this too is like making this foolproof for people who are like You know what? I just want a setting that stops me from doing anything stupid And and if they think that that's gonna happen and you've got this kind of vulnerability. Well, that's that's a bad deal Yeah Jami released a statement that it is sold more than 70 million devices in 2015 This is short of the 100 million it originally projected and they even the revised 80 million announced later in the year It's still a 15% rise over 2014 and Jami claims it is now the top smartphone market share or it has the top phone I had top smartphone market share in China the 2015 Huawei may have a different view of the numbers though Huawei says it shipped more than a hundred million hands. It's worldwide in 2015 According to the Wall Street Journal and this battle is really really fascinating I mean, I loved when Huawei talked a little bit of smack at the start of last year and said We don't make cheap phones if you want a cheap phone go to Jami But they're also huge in Europe. A lot of people don't know that that the honor brand is gigantic in Europe So Huawei have done a really good job I think Jami seems to get more of the attention because it seems to be it's a more interesting brand in some ways But yeah, while we have the kind kind of a quiet giant out there Yeah And the bloom is off the Jami rose a little bit now after a lot of big talk of shipping a hundred million phones And then not doing it falling short by 30 million Me means that there people are going to be a little more skeptical of claims from that company in the future It is apples to oranges comparison this hundred million to the 70 million number though Huawei's in many more markets like you say they're in Europe They sell a lot of phones in Europe So a lot of that hundred million probably came from there I wouldn't necessarily be surprised if Xiaomi is right that they have a bigger market share in China than Huawei But China is also a slowing market. So it's it's you know, Xiaomi needs to hurry up and get into Brazil Get their market going full steam in India and and move into other markets It sounds like maybe this year they may try to get into the United States and get into Latin America Which in which case you might see them start to boost their sales But yeah, they they're sort of the apple to Huawei's Android In even though both use Android in the situation because the Xiaomi has all the splash and sparkle in presentation And while we just sells a load of units Yeah, and I do wish a Huawei would sorry Xiaomi would start selling its accessories worldwide because they are fantastic If you do need a battery pack and most smartphone users heavy smartphone users Probably need one thrown in their bag. The Xiaomi ones are fantastic. The build quality is great But surprisingly, there's quite a few knockoffs of Xiaomi products. So just be careful. Yeah, check the me store Which is available in the US for some accessories Before before you buy something third-party Mike hern a senior developer on Bitcoin and former chair of the Bitcoin Foundation's law and policy committee Took to medium yesterday to express his opinion that he thinks Bitcoin has failed Hern believes Bitcoin is too centralized and resistant to change There are only five people with authority to change official releases And they are split for months now on how to deal with a capacity problem That is tied into the fact that very few people control the majority of Bitcoin mining which creates new coins So essentially the blockchain is getting swamped with the amount of activity on it and to increase the capacity They need to talk they need to get the Bitcoin miners on board But the couple of majority Bitcoin miners that basically control 50% of the mining are in China And don't see any advantage to themselves in allowing that capacity to increase So there was Mike hern had led a move with Anderson to fork Bitcoin But he couldn't get any of the miners on board to that either so it failed It and it does sound like there are some real problems with the administration of Bitcoin itself The technology is not a problem. It's the implementation. It's the people Yeah, yeah, just like that Apple story earlier. Yeah, I mean you can have a beautiful algorithm But I mean there are five people that this article mentions once you get five people in a room They're gonna argue and they're gonna have differences of opinion and as decentralized and as Kind of let the code do do all the talking as as the idea of Bitcoin Suggested is people always mess that up Yeah, and it does sound like the split of the five people has to do with the mining and it's the mining where I think they didn't anticipate How consolidated it would become so what's happened is you have to have a lot of servers to make Bitcoin mining pay off Because you have to crunch a lot of numbers to earn a coin and a lot of these miners Basically decided to just throw in their lots with each other and then eventually throw in their lots with Organizations that are doing mining so it's not one person doing all the mining But it's one person who has the money to pay for a lot of servers and then is willing to sign up a bunch of other people who donate to their sir, they're their processor cycles In order to get a cut of the share of any bitcoins that they mine and her and says like this is this is not a sustainable situation right now Fascinating I still don't really understand any of that fascinating Uh, Facebook has hired Bertelsman business services unit of Ato to monitor and delete hate speech hate speech posts in Germany According to German weekly der spiegel Avato has hired around a hundred people for the job Facebook rules restrict bullying harassment and threatening language in November Prosecutors in Hamburg began investigating whether Facebook spike Facebook violates that country's law against promoting hate speech This is really interesting to me because you talk about Humans being the problem and algorithms that are supposed to run themselves Facebook has operated with the idea that we're a safe harbor you say whatever you want We have rules if anyone sees someone breaking the rules report it We'll look at it and that hasn't been fast enough of a process for Germany So Germans have been taking issue with it There have been lots of other Europeans taking issue with it and Facebook is trying to speed up the process Which requires a lot of bodies which Facebook doesn't want to bring on the payroll. So they outsource it Yeah, yeah, I mean and I think this is that this seems to be the big story of the year really when Twitter is having the same issues with hate speech on its platform Because I guess so many so many other parts of the world don't necessarily share that That idea that all speech can be free Sometimes, you know certain certain things need to be looked at as H base hate speech or Yeah, it's it's it's the you know in the United States our free speech culture is such that you have to tolerate speech that you don't like And and that the idea is you know freedom of speech applies to to speech that you don't agree with or don't like But as long as it does it actually You know, it doesn't incite behavior. It's just an opinion It's fine and and in Germany right now because of the incidents on New Year's Eve Because of the ongoing immigration issue mostly coming out of Syria, but other parts of the world as well There there's a lot more attention on things like hate speech and what actually constitutes incitement And what should be allowed and it's got a different culture of of freedom of speech to begin with It's not nearly it's never been nearly as free as the United States has allowed it So I think a lot of Americans look at this and see it much differently than at someone in Germany sees it BizTech Africa reports submarine cable operator C. Com is providing 20 megabits per second service to incubation hubs hive CoLab and outbox in Uganda C. Com began supporting innovation hubs in Kenya back in 2012 They've done some others in Uganda starting in 2014 and the EAC Which is an intergovernmental organization the East African community has mandated that more than 80 percent of its member nations population have internet access by 2030 So C. Com is taking part in that to provide these innovation hubs some decent connections This is fantastic. I can't wait to see what how the internet changes when more of the world is on it This is gonna be great The European Union privacy regulators will meet in Brussels on February 2nd to agree to a new mechanism To allow personal data transfers with the with the US the US submitted proposals last week Sorry this week. I don't know why I read that wrong the 15 year old safe harper framework was declared invalid by the European Court of Justice on October 6th and once again everything you know is repeating here. It's just it's really interesting to say Yeah, American points of view rubbing up against the European Union here and in this particular case It's up to the European Union Committee to determine if that proposal is sufficient They've done a lot of negotiating so I would imagine they're at a point where the proposal is has been designed to be accepted And but then even after they accept it it is likely to get tested in the court again, and then you'll see if it holds up Finally a musical called nerds will open April 21st at the Long Anchor Theater in New York City It's a comedy that tells the story of the rivalry of Steve Jobs and Bill Gates in musical form It will of course feature on-stage holograms because why wouldn't it and the audience will have an app to allow them to interact with each Other and the stage tickets are available now at telecharge.com with preview showings beginning March 31st. I Must go Peter me in New York City. I Will meet you in New York City for this. Yeah, I I feel like I'm gonna have to go and then just cringe the entire way through it I'm not necessarily I Don't have a lot of confidence when the the world of comedy turns to technology I mean Silicon Valley is fantastic, but there are very few shows between Silicon Valley and and Well, how do you know Lee? I mean it? Did you ever see Pirates of Silicon Valley the Yeah, yeah, so I'm imagining that I don't know what doing this. Yeah. Yeah. No, there's just making that into a musical form I hope there's there's a lot. I hope there's a song about open and closed platforms About ripping off Xerox like this Yeah, that'd be great All right, that my friends is a must-see and part of our new Continuing lifestyle at arts coverage on Daily Tech News show. Hey, thanks for letting us know about stories It really helps us put the show together I get in there and vote on our subreddit to let us know what you want us to talk about Daily Tech News show Dot reddit.com and that is a look at the headlines All right, so four square CEO Dennis Crowley is stepping down to become executive chairman of the board COO Jeff Gluck who started just in 2014 with four square will become the new CEO He was previously CEO of Skyfire Which is now owned by opera and he co-founded a travel site called site 59.com Which is now owned by travel velocity So this is a guy When he's involved with companies, they often end up getting acquired. So maybe that's in someone's mind somewhere Also, CRO Stephen Rosenblatt is becoming president the company just raised $45 million of series e funding that's Valuing itself at about 400 million dollars less than the last round where they were valued at around 650 Million dollars, so they've taken a big hit on valuation However, they say hey, we've got 50 million active users on swarm and four square We are we have a thriving location database advertising business We're selling consumer behavior data to places like Twitter and we have 60 million business locations in our database In fact ways the Google-owned navigation app uses The four square database to determine locations Adam Lashinsky writing on fortune was talking about how He was discouraged from checking in on four square when he was visiting Apple Researching a book back in 2011 because so many eyes were on four square They didn't want people to know who was coming and going at Apple And he points out that that momentum has fallen away He would not expect that to be a big concern these days. So the question is Peter What keeps the momentum of a service like this when four square launched in 2009? It was all the hotness now We've seen plenty of things get hot and within two years they're gone or within two years They've declined or they're only available in a particular market where they've succeeded But four square kept that momentum for a while and then it just kind of slowly faded But they still got 50 million active users. I still have it on my phone and use it What yeah, it's kind of in this mushy middle between well There's the Facebook's in the Twitters of the world and then there's the Friendsters and the plurks of the world And so what makes I mean there's one question like what makes a successful company But what makes us continue to use things like this over time? I Don't know actually that that I want to get back to that actually the can can a social network survive in kind of the middle class of social networks like it There's your four squares in your Twitter's in your Facebook's that are the the real rich come get companies out there But yeah, is there a room for a middle-class kind of company? Anyway, um, I I don't really know I mean four square for me. I love it so much as a story just because it's so weird like like you said You know that 2009 launch at South by Southwest It was such a darling of the internet for a little while there And then it I mean people forget that it fought off clones from Google and Facebook to be able to Pull that off to to see Facebook and and Google clone your service and still come out the other end is pretty amazing And yet yeah now it just seems to have languished and I guess I mean, I guess it was really the split For the people I know who were active for square users It was that split of the app into for square and still and swam last year or the year before maybe that really seem to kind of Ruin the momentum a little bit and I I feel for them because I kind of feel that this is where it becomes a cautionary tale for other social networks out there that I I understand why they did that and I think well, I think I do I think the the reason they probably split the app into Swarm and four square was for a lot of people the idea of checking in was either kind of pointless and silly or Creedy and so they didn't want to to Have to do that to be part of the fourth square experience So I can see like four square would have thought we're at well We need to split these off so that the people who don't want to check in Have this this app that we can start selling to them And so that they're looking at this bigger market that they could possibly get and you know Take on the open things like that but by doing that they've kind of marginalized their key audience and And that's why I think it's really fascinating and that's why as I especially think it's It's something that Twitter should pay very close attention to because it feels to me like You know when it comes to Twitter chasing say celebrities and chasing news and and moments and all of these these new features are all designed For the casual Twitter user the casual lurker or the really really moments is designed for people Who don't even have a Twitter account who see what Twitter how Twitter is reported by other news outlets To to focus so much on people who don't use your product Because that's where all the eyeballs are at the expense of the people who do use your product. I find that that's a really Strange and bad move for a company a social network to make I mean I just kind of feel that you know you yeah, of course you're gonna make all your money I ran a forum back in the day as well And you're gonna make all of your money from the lurkers the eyeballs that the lurkers bring in Looking at your your forum or your platform or whatever it is But you're only gonna make money off those eyeballs if you have a key group of people who are constantly producing content for you And and and you've got two really solid business ideas here One is what you're describing making money off the eyeballs and that's why they pulled for square into becoming a restaurant Recommendation app or a retailer at recommendation app is they wanted to sell ads to those eyeballs and all the people looking and they said Well, let's make swarm more true to the roots of four square Which was dodgeball which was an idea of hey We're all at this club come meet us over there And the problem was I was using four square just as a log Basically to be like I went here. I went here. I went here. This is what I thought of it When you split them apart now neither one does what I was using it for I have to use two different apps and and I get what they're doing with swarm which is we can come up with consumer behavior and Sell that and they're selling that to Twitter and they're selling it to ways and checking in and how many people check in they have 65 million businesses in there. That's all valuable But that is the harder thing to do because it requires as you say interaction it requires active participation Not just eyeballs anymore And that's the kind of thing that's likely to decline more in time unless you keep it fresh And that brings me back to this idea of You've you've got you've got the things that flare hot and flame out, right? But if they don't flame out they tend to stick around for a long time I think yahoo is a great example of that. It's something that got big was useful and now it's cruising Largely on its momentum that it built up in the past And and then we have something like Twitter, which is starting to look like it could become a yahoo at some point Like people are gonna keep using it because they've always used it But it's having a hard time growing whereas Facebook pushed through that they figured out how to go right into the stratosphere Google figured out how to go in the stratosphere and Foursquare is Having a hard time navigating like how do you stop yourself from becoming my space, which is not dead But is sort of moribund or even worse Friendster, which put itself on pause in June. It's not dead technically but it's not alive either and I look at snapchat as a great example of a recent company that has figured out how to keep that beach ball in the air So at first it was just the novelty of messages that go away But they have changed slowly and continually provided new cool features Sometimes they anger their core audience for a for a bit, which is what Facebook did too So maybe that's important to the evolution And and yet now more people are using it because they're like oh well now I can tell a story But it's not as as much pressure as Instagram where it lasts forever But it's a little more in-depth than Twitter because I get to do a video and I've got these fun filters And and they're figuring their way forward Foursquare right now. I just I I would like to use it as a recommendation app But I forget to use it as a recommendation app And and that reminds me of Bing Bing has a wonderful location recommendation engine in it. It's actually better than Foursquare It's fantastic. It used geo location really well Nobody uses it and and it's not because it's not a good application It's because it just doesn't have the mind share so that and I guess that brings it back It's like how do you keep that mind share going and can you exist as you mentioned like with the middle-class mind share Or do you have to constantly be shooting for the Facebook level? Yeah, yeah, I Fool it's I really don't know how to answer it. I mean and I guess Foursquare don't know how to answer it Yeah, I do think snapchat is actually a great example because yeah They they did start with something that was almost Laughably simple and I feel that and you know the original Foursquare was laughably simple as well It was just I'm here here. You know, I'm checking in and that was it Yeah, and so it's it's that that evolution as you grow your your products Yeah, of course, you're going to anger people along the way But I think that the people you need to look at the most are the core group of people and when they like you said you used to use it as a log a Logging kind of platform for yourself not not so much the social stuff and to be honest That's how I use it too and I think that had they actually talked to their majority users They probably might have found that that was the case Because you know you can actually subscribe to your Foursquare feed This is so nerdy But you can subscribe to your Foursquare feed in like Google Calendar and that's kind of the main reason I still tend to use it these days is so I can just kind of look back and see where I've been and you know When I was in New York, what was that restaurant? I went to that. I really loved. Yeah, it was that one You know and and be able to quickly find it that way So I like it just as a data nerd, you know, that's that's why I really enjoyed the platform and I think a lot of the the really active users who Yeah, like they're not they're not where you're gonna get your growth But those active users are gonna create, you know a good I'm making up numbers here, but like I reckon those you know, it's the 80-20 rule I reckon the 20% of your your really core audience make like 80% of your content and And I just kind of feel that Foursquare Forgot that somehow and forgot to take those people along with them when they split up their apps And I don't know. I mean, I don't know of bringing the two apps back together would would help But yeah, I really it's a bummer because I mean Foursquare's continue to do really interesting things I think they've you know Apple Maps are now using their data Which has improved so much that the data of Apple Maps in Australia because Yelp never really took off here It was so late to the market that it was just no one cared anymore by the time it launched and You know and and and Foursquare Just recently it started translating local Local reviews as well. So when you're traveling, it's a much more much better I just used it in Germany last year and it was fantastic to see local reviews of little places as I wandered around So it's still yeah, we used it in Italy the same way. It was it was it was really helpful for that Hmm. Yeah, and and so I still think there's a place for it. Is it on your front screen? Is your on your front home screen though? No swarm is and the reason is on my front screen is because I When I check in when I remember to check in I want to check in fast And so I used to have Foursquare there and I used to use the recommendation engine more often because it was there But I replaced it with swarm because it's more practical, which means I don't use the Foursquare recommendation engine as often Yeah, yeah, which is a damn shame and I think I don't know if they can somehow Manage to make reviewing Places as as kind of easy enough fun as they used to make check-ins Maybe that's what they could do to improve the Foursquare app itself But yeah, I do think that check-ins a check-in button needs to come back to that main Foursquare app So like you said, you can move Foursquare back to the front page Yeah, and I feel like this may be an example and it may not be but it may be an example of a common Thing that I've seen in places that I've worked where the monetization starts to lead the product and use it there And you start to rationalize well I know the users want that but it'll be fine If we don't give them that because we have this monetization plan that'll work great And they'll stick around and we can make money and in content companies is where I've seen it where you have great Content ideas, but the only ones that get traction are the ones that the people who are selling the product Think are good because they can sell them and your content suffers as a result. It does. It's not very cohesive And and that could be what happened here is they're like ooh But we really want to be a recommendation engine because we think we can sell a lot of ads as that So let's push our users to use us that way and the users just were like man, we're not using we're not doing it that way Absolutely, you might be able to hear Penny my baby. Yeah, we back around there She she also has a four square account and it's just it's one of those weird little things that like she has no other social network account But I created a little four square account for her just because when I'm at work I like seeing that her and my wife are checking into like parks and Yeah, it's a little personal history of where she's been Yeah, absolutely. So, you know, I've still got yeah a really soft spot for four square I do hope that they can get themselves out of this funk and and you know Like you said, maybe maybe like just being in that kind of middle class of apps that say flicker seems to be in these days Where yeah, they were once great and now they're now they're still loved, but they're never gonna grow Maybe maybe maybe you can survive like that. But yeah, I really do have a soft spot for four square So I do hope they can work this out All right, let's get to our pick of the day comes from Wes in gnome sweet gnome. That's what he wrote Says thanks for all your hard work. Well, thank you, Wes I'm so excited about the direction of the show and I wanted to share something I learned today It's not really a pick, but I was unaware of it until I did some investigating I wanted to up my patron support to help with day six But couldn't quite move up to the next level on patreon I thought I could only give the prescribed reward levels, but much to my surprise I found that I could edit my donation amount to whatever I wanted I upped my support by one dollar and while it didn't move me to a new reward level I was still happy to give a little more just wanted to pass this information along to my fellow audience members I'm probably the only one who was confused about this But maybe my experience could help someone else and obviously we would like you to apply that to DTNS But any patreon support that you give on any patron. Yeah, you can do that You can even put it in cents you can up it by like five cents if you want It it doesn't matter and every little bit helps That's awesome. Wes. I did not know that so thank you. Thank you so much. Wes. Yeah, and if you're like, what's day six? Well, the idea is to to rope Peter Wells into doing An episode of Daily Tech news show from Australia once a week Which would come out on our Sunday So it'd be a sixth day of DTNS and come out on his Monday and give you another perspective from his side of the World so that's what we're hoping to get to and we're shoot. We're more than 30% of the way there Fantastic keep it coming send your picks to us folks feedback at daily tech news show calm You can find more picks at daily tech news show comm slash picks a few messages of the day to get through here Manu dev heard us discussing Netflix's announcement of making geo unblocking more difficult He says the only good thing about that announcement was that Netflix is working towards offering customers everywhere the same content I'm using Netflix from January 8th when it first became available in India And I'm truly disappointed with the content they have although they do have some good TV shows their movie collection available in India is a Joke for example the sci-fi and fantasy genre has 32 movies available Thriller's genre has 26 movies Hot Bollywood the independent and indie movies. They don't have any foreign movies available in India either Just English and Hindi movies and at this point I have more movies on my two terabyte hard disk than all of Netflix So I know that Australia actually is a little bit ahead of the world in this case Peter because you've had Netflix for a little longer and And and yet you also had a long history of using geo unblockers to use Netflix before it came to Australia What was your take about it? Yeah, it was an interesting discussion. I I still actually have a geo blocker in place That I rarely use though. It's it's a it's one that it was an annual Membership, so it just it went a clicked over one day, and I realized oh well I've got it for another year But yeah, I mean I for me Netflix. I tend to these days watch The the original programming that comes out on Netflix and so it is a bummer I have seen the difference between the US library and our library and and we are definitely short-changed on on many shows but I don't really mind all that much just because you know I'm generally using Netflix for oranges the new black and making a murderer and that kind of stuff So I think as long as Netflix can keep pumping that stuff out And they seem to be then then that will be what keeps them, you know the darlings of the internet Yeah, I do I also do think that this is a lot of Netflix just saying what Their partners want them to say I Again don't think that this is going to make a hell of a lot of difference to people who are using geo blockers But we'll see we'll see and then Simon who is British but lives in Belgium was complaining That on his regional Netflix, they only carry a limited set of subtitles Dutch and French He says I can read Dutch and French But too slowly to be able to enjoy the images at the same time He says the effect is culturally to punish people that move around Europe. So it's another spin on that region locking Is not not just what's available, but in what language is it available in your locality? And I think it's going to take Netflix a while to build up these catalogs I remember when they launched in the US. They just had movies They had no TV shows. It was a very limited set of movies So anywhere they launch it takes a while to get those license agreements and like you say I think what they're focusing on is as they make new shows They will make them available in all of their regions at once Yeah, and so that will that will help unify the different Netflix's even if some of the back catalogs are different Absolutely Joe Joe the pilot wrote in reminiscing about the 1985 through 95 cars that hadn't quite turned to the car port and Hadn't quite turned fully fuel injected Does anyone remember blinking light car computer codes? Is that town familiar? You would turn the key to the on position not start and then off repeat two more times leaving the key on and then watch the battery light blinking separated by short and long pauses For instance blink blink Blink blink blink was a code 23 and then you'd have to go look up what code 23 was Joe says I had an old Chrysler that kept giving me the same three sets of codes Which meant battery battery and fuel flow or something stupid and didn't help at all Who would have thought that useless crap would someday evolve into self-driving cars? He said he gave us a link to some sample codes as well. I Know this this totally passed me by but then I driver 2001 Toyota Corolla, so I'm not really on the cutting edge of car You're not old enough to still have the codes, which is good But yeah, I kind of vaguely remember my dad having to do that with those those blinking lights And then Dave and I had an email exchange after he recalled hearing that one time a long time ago Somebody said the General Motors was the largest manufacturer of computers in the world So I dug up the fact that GM posted 7.2 million cars sold in the first nine months of 2015 so you can guess they probably sold around 10 11 million for 2015 Lenovo for comparison sold 15 million computers in Q4 So I sent that to Dave and then Dave said well Let me figure out how many computers would be in each car right because because a GM car might have more than one computer So he called a customer of his who has a shop over in Pacific, Missouri And that guy said that some newer cars have about 25 computers that do all the different stuff and communicate using the can bus probably to cut down on wiring So they don't have to all go into one computer So that would be 180 million computers if it was true of every car GM sold in the first nine months of 2015 So I don't know if I don't know if that's how you count it I guess it matters what how you define a computer, but it was an interesting conversation about you know The fact that car companies are are manufacturing Computers, they're not making chips. They're not foundries, but they're definitely putting these things together And it played off that email we had the other day calling cars just big driving case mods Which is so true. Yeah, I mean and I do think that that's why I probably will stop paying attention to cars In the future because I didn't really care about cars up until now, but now that they're becoming more and more computers now I'm interested Well, thank you Peter Wells for being interested in being on the show He writes for the Sydney Morning Herald podcaster on reckoner.au you can follow him on Twitter Twitter comm slash Peter Wells I know I keep using the old the old Twitter address when I at reply you I got to get out of that habit, but I Know you know, I know you have both so go follow him Peter Wells on Twitter anything else going on and we talk about day six Anything in particular you want to let folks know about No, no just a yeah, definitely follow me on Twitter. 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No, I'm hearing me back No, I don't know the casual worker just checked in the Phantom of the operating system Musical right Connect to the Internet at sea calm Sing a con valley For rounded squares, I think it's the mayor of Arby's I kind of think that too I Think yeah, I think that's it the mayor of Arby's the mayor of Arby's That was so sad. That was a true story That happened to me at one point in my life Well, I can totally see that like if that happened like I go to Arby's ever was speech damage I'm not feeling great about myself, but like nobody knows you know and then you check in and you're like Oh shit What have I become? there's a Louis CK bit about a Cinnabon that's very similar Well, and I used to go to McDonald's when I worked at CNET with Veronica because she was the only other one who would keep the secret Like it was a mutually assured I can't even eat that anymore I tried I can't Hey, so I made a spreadsheet I made a spreadsheet called let's talk about Star Wars all the amazing emails that we've been getting about Theories like people writing in with their theories. I'm putting them in a safe space. I haven't I have a suggestion Yes, and this is I don't think you're gonna like this Putting them in a slack. No, I think we should open up that The way night attack opens up their spreadsheets for the audience I think we should open up that spreadsheet for people to curate and put their own theories and organize it And if you if we get enough people it probably won't turn into a nightmare. Yeah, I I am still holding out for somebody to make a nice like Graphical thing where you can vote on theories But yeah, this probably should be but it could be open in view only or you mean like open open for editing Or maybe we give a few trusted people the keys and allow them to invite other people that that may be a Smarter way to do it. But hey, did you sign the the petition to get George Lucas to to direct episode 2? What why did you not hear that? There is a petition by fans started they want they think that the I forget his name the the Director of episode 2 is not the right feel They want to bring George Lucas back to home and write the ship Yeah, wow, that's what that's interesting. Yeah, 21,000 signatures. So there's 21,000 people to believe that I mean right Ryan Johnson. Is that Looper guy? He's he's I thought he was doing the the brook Leto no, that's not words. Well. No, okay, that words is rogue one Right Did some really good breaking bad episode some of the best yeah, he did Looper. He did brothers boom and Yeah, break is fantastic Yeah, yeah, say that if you Was like no his name's Ryan Here's the thing I just don't think well, I'm not gonna hijack this post show. This is a technology Whatever we want it Episode one and a half of let's talk. No, we should do that. Where's Garrett? Let's we have Garrett We can't talk. No, but in all seriousness, I think George Lucas has had his time with Star Wars and he gave it up and If he wants to direct some sort of weird out there short film about all the things he was gonna do Far far away from this particular storyline that that's fine Well, he does direct he does make stuff on his weird little ranch all the time He just never releases any of it. I know he probably does have some weird Version of well, actually, no, he I mean he that's the problem George hates Star Wars like he hates what it did to his life So which is such a bizarre way to look at the world, but yeah, it's you know Well, but yeah, and he also thinks that he would be making like a house films if it wasn't for Star Wars Exactly yeah, I think he hates Star Wars and so much that it ran away from him like in a way that he It's like building something and then having it taken away from you I think that makes it even more interesting is he sold it Yeah, it's just that like I mean everyone universally says that empire is the best one and you know all the stories Yeah, but like everyone was just ignoring him on set and the You know Lawrence Kasdan did all of the great writing of that So I kind of feel that like you know, I mean he started with a great idea and and By the first sequel he was already You know on the on the on the back of the of the trailer, I guess And that's the other thing too. He had he had three movies He had the chance to to bring it back and and we saw what what it did You know, you know, we saw what he was able to do as a director and a writer Uh, let's talk about mid-chlorians You know, it's I will say the one aspect that always sticks with me with the prequels that you can tell is George George's influence is that all the worlds have a very unique and And and and very kind of profound Character that you see like and I mean, I don't want to talk about the force awakens But it's it's one thing I've always liked about Lucas is that all the worlds have personalities Like they they are characters in of themselves. That's what that was one Comment that I heard from a friend of mine that he couldn't get a grasp of the environment, which You know in in the new movie in the new movies Yeah, and and I was like, well no actually I felt the environments, but I know what you're saying Roger You know Coruscant is this Big place as was best been and all these other places very John Ford influenced kind of cinematography, you know Cinematography's view right you do the big sweeping vistas that give you a sense of place But also does you know they give you a comparison with the characters like how small they are or their place within it And I mean, you know like Lucas says it is a it is a Western It's you know, it's a it's a wagon. It's a wagon train in space. Yeah, so a lot of yeah I think his relationship with Star Wars is definitely love hate like you know, it definitely changed his life But yeah, he even described it as saying it's like breaking up with a girlfriend Like, you know, you don't you don't ride by her house anymore. You don't see what she's up to Yeah, I think that's a really interesting metaphor on his part because he said we should see other people essentially and then Like we should see other people. Oh wait, you're seeing other people without me. Oh crap Yeah, no, he's just making like creepy Facebook posts Yeah, it's complicated talking to his old friend Charlie. Yeah, but yeah that petition though That big thumbs down on that. I you know, I I do think there are issues I mean, I only saw the force awakens once so I should go back and change that I should see it a couple more time. I know, right And I like a midnight screening as well So I was kind of half asleep by the end of that But um, I I did find it like hard to work out who the hell the resistance was and like You know didn't the good guys win at the end of Jedi like we saw the Ewoks dance and nub nub and everything else like it Shouldn't they be the guys who nothing ever stays happy. Yeah, I think they were my theory is I think they were at some Definitely involved and there's like a whole now new refilling in of this timeline that I think is gonna happen through various media But um, I think what they're basically saying is yeah It already is and I think what they're basically saying is like definitely at some point These people were involved and then at some point Leia was like yo I gotta step out of the official government and go handle these other people over here and That's what she did and I think she did that probably soon after the thing happened with the person Teddy Roosevelt of the rebellion. Yeah Isn't she for that oh now Now now wasn't Teddy Roosevelt pretty heavy or is that Taft are you fat-shaming Teddy? That was Taft that was Taft. Yeah stop fat-shaming presidents. Yeah White man on this show. I'll tell you what They've done for the Oscars. I resemble that remark So it was Taft I wonder if they meet so taffy isn't based after his name Would it be great though taffy we went so far so fast I think you can see taffs bathtub Then he gets stuck in somewhere. You can I think I don't know it's not Illinois Probably a prototype of a jacuzzi or a hot tub Side note for video viewers. Ellie has a really magnificent side-eye Like she just side-eyes the hell out of these last few minutes. It was like I'm really I really like that. It's very expressive side-eye She likes dancing to yeah, oh exposure kids music early Yes, yes, that's true kids Dean. Yeah, my my My youngest he he came out of the womb like Bob in his head because we used to go see the boys play music in clubs and He probably heard the drums and stuff like that. So it was he's got a really good sense go clubbing No, the boys at the time there in high school. They were they were playing like rock-offs and stuff So we would all you know when she was pregnant with him We would all go and loud music. I just like the idea of you and Nora clubbing. Yeah, well, she's pregnant No, Nora would do the clubbing I would probably stay home Well, yeah, I've got I've got to get to step in there So I've got to take some time off because at the moment the only way to settle Penelope when she's really angry is playing Justin Bieber to her I think my wife is a yes Stop spending so much time writing articles about work life balance I need to go wash my ears. Oh, man, you know, I that reminds me of I you'd listen to this song when I would run So now I know the Justin Bieber song because it would just kind of pop up on my running playlist And so I was like now I know that album, but it's not bad. I'm not a We have to listen to it with Selena's album to get both sides of the story. Oh, that's true. I should They actually answer each other in songs. It's kind of That's a great concept I'm gonna log off here Everybody know that I am I'm I'll let you know how it goes next Friday I'm I'm I'm not I'm kind of unofficially running a 5k this Sunday. Oh I've been I've been training for eight weeks It's not an official 5k like I didn't pay to get into it and run it and stuff like that I'm gonna see if I run alongside it. No, no, no It's like in my and on the app and the Nike running app like it's like eight weeks And then we're very I see so you're reaching your 5k Exactly, so that's great. We'll see we'll see how it goes. I'll let you know how it goes. It's pretty exciting What are you doing that Sunday Sunday? I will run with you. Oh Run 5k on Sunday. Oh, oh, that's cool. That's excellent. Yeah. Yeah, and I'll run on my Nike app Have you seen that? Have you seen what I'm doing on that Nike app? It's crazy. No, I gotta check it out I haven't looked I've run like almost 40 miles this month. Oh, that's fantastic It's crazy. I'm crazy. I don't know how this happened to me, but it's exciting But I just wanted to I wanted a humble brag about that. So don't just humble brag brag it up This is probably the best shape I've been in my entire life That's why you look 15 years old I lost yeah, I lost 10 pounds. So since since Since November beginning. I hope you don't find them I lost my croissant. I don't know where Yeah, it's it's it's it's a strange thing for me to get used to but it's exciting Goodbye, I'll forget great