 This, this is like Yachty rapping. This is like he rapping for the children. Fuck these kids. That's not what keep you poppin'. If you wanna be a successful music artist, what matters more? The opinion of the artist or the opinion of the fans, Joe Budden and Drake got in a major beef when Joe Budden criticized his latest project, but in Drake's response to Joe Budden and Drake's recent rollout and musical selection, I think he actually revealed a lot about the formula for longevity in music and it'll answer your question. So let's see what Drake thinks. Joe Budden, if you like summarize it, he basically said, hey yo man, like grow up, bruh. Your topics, they're a little bit young, you know, in substance. We know that you're older. I think he's like 36, 37. Just please get a little older, mature. You're a goat. He didn't deny any of that stuff, but we wanna hear more growth. And that was his personal opinion, right? Drake responded and this is the response that starts to reveal some details and we're also gonna look at his album as a whole to really break this down, to see what he thinks the formula is and whether, you know, maybe other artists should chase it or not. One, Champagne Poppy says, at Joe Budden, you have failed at music. Pew, pew, pew, pew. You left behind, you left it behind to do what you're doing in this clip. Criticizing, because this is what actually pays your bills for any artist watching this. Just remember you are watching a failure. Give their opinion on his idea of a recipe for success. A quitter. Give their opinion on how to achieve longevity. You switched careers because the things that pop up in your brain had you broken living. Check to check. Check with cues and not with CK. That must be some like Canadian shit. I think it's just that little flare. A little flare, okay, a little flare. The things that were popping up in your brain had you broken living, checked to check and the rap shoe right had 450 men showing up to your shows and dusty and needy jeans to screw up their face to move music 29 and pretend you are the goat. Please, to any artist that's doing what they feel is right. Don't let these opinions affect your mindset after the effect. This guy is the poster child of frustration and surrendering. You retired and we never hung up your jersey. We don't even remember your number. We know you for doing this podcasting. You have drew from rap, not because you accomplished all you need to. It's cause it wasn't working for you. I never want anybody in the generations to think that the whole everybody's entitled to their own opinion thing is a real thing. This man is projecting his own self-hate and the fact that I did and continue to do everything he wanted to do for himself. If you need it put in simpler terms, I own a 767. He owns a modest house in the 973 and flies first class on special occasions. All right. Shit. Drinks at a mouthful. And this is exactly why his mouthful in my opinion, low key reveals some counter productivity. Okay. First of all, you're trying to inspire your artist, yet. Yeah, I know you're going with this. He's like stunting on them. Like basically if you are not me, if you don't own a 767, right? You aren't successful. Your opinion doesn't matter, right? Yeah, which is like 99.99% of people. Let's just start there, right? And on top of that, right? To use, I hate when these artists do this. You're trying to say that art is about the art, right? Art is not about the wars, the accolades and the money, but then you use your awards, accolades and money to say that you are better than another artist or somebody else, right? So again, artists, if y'all are on Drake level of achievement, not in that gold conversation, y'all are failures. And I'm stunting on not just Joe, but all of y'all with Joe just being a surrogate, right? So that part, I don't know. Like if I was an artist, that's what I'd think. I'd be like, man, I don't know, bro, I can't like this. Cause you ain't talking about me. Cause you low key stun on me where I am currently, right? But then, you know, a lot of artists are not self-aware enough to realize that he doesn't talk about me. He doesn't talk about me. That's not just art. I kid, I'm full of it. I thought the same thing. Cause I was like, man, see your point. He just shit on majority of the world. But you see a lot of artists in the comments like, yeah, you know what I'm saying? Stand up for yourself. Yeah, he's right. I'm like, man, he is talking about you as well. Like, yeah. How many do we know? We'll see them in our comments when we talk about an artist and then the artist will be talking about how bad that artist is and they're stunning on a, I mean, they're critiquing an artist that's more successful than him by those measures. Yeah, but that should part of the game. So that whole thing, right? I don't really know about that. Like somebody not being able to critique you just because they aren't as successful from an artistic standpoint. Artistic, all right? Not a capitalism like how you move with your money and decisions you should have made for your brain and things like that. Then you can say, well, there might be some things they haven't experienced, but art is not supposed to be money-based based on what artists say. That's what they tell you. That's what they tell you. All right, no, man. Once they get in the position and it benefits them, they go back against it. All right, cool. Fan-based or not, their opinions. So a big critique. Again, Joe Budden saying, yo, you're speaking to the youth. Well. Obviously just hanging around Lil Yachty a lot. Now that kind of like makes me, I don't know, even question all the hanging out. Was like, are you just absorbing his powers for that album, bruh? That's what he do. Are y'all real friends? You know what I mean? Drake's fame, bruh. Don't mess up my PR fantasy, man. I thought y'all are really just kicking it now. I don't know if it's, you know? I think Yachty might be the first Drake parasitic host that also benefited from it. And he's actually gonna get to stick around. He can't get real Lil Yachty, man. Hey, yeah, okay, okay. So, with that being said, you got Lil Yachty. Lil Yachty's obviously younger. If you look at the features on this project. Oh yeah. Tezo. Tezo Touch now. Yeet. Yeet. Who else was on there that was in the young category? Those are the three that stood out to me the most was Tezo. I mean, even, yeah, Yachty is young in age, but I was kind of looking at more like young, new acts, you know what I'm saying? Tezo and Yeet definitely kind of covered that base. Those two stick out. Like I'm missing somebody too, right? Sexy Red. Yup, Sexy Red is on there. So this is where we get into the struggle when it comes into success in the music business and like the capitalism of it all, right? And the actual music. Because if fans didn't matter the most, to me fans do matter the most when it comes to the music business because he wouldn't put these new people that he put on it, these young people that he put on it if he wasn't trying to tap into that fan base. This is an obvious play to stay relevant and touch, stay in touch or connect with the younger people, right? Which is a common strategy. This isn't like a critique and Drake for doing it. Like it's very known like in the music industry will often say like keeping young people around, keep you fresh and make sure you don't get disconnected. Too far away from things, let's say lose touch. So it's not even critiquing it as a bad thing but it does show, well why are you doing it in the first place? You're doing it because you're trying to connect. If you're trying to connect, that means you're trying and making decisions to connect with him that means you care about the fans opinion. Okay. That alone says the fans matter the most. Unless he really does think that Sexy Red is a musical and deserves to be placed on there. Do you think he thinks that? I can see where he coming from. I don't think it matters because I think there's other people that he also thinks are good. That didn't make it. That didn't make the project. That's fair, okay. And to have Sexy and Tiso. Yeah, the yeet is the most obvious one. Own at the same time. And then have Yachty be a part of the, you know the foundation of the project. That says I want to be able to touch base. Either I'm afraid of losing touch or I really care about continuing to connect. Whichever way you want to look at it, right? And caring about continuing to connect and I make these strategic moves to connect means I know the fans, other people who matter most. I got to interrupt this video real quick to let the artists and managers who are looking to grow know that I have a major announcement because as many of you know, we're bringing out J.R. McKee who is responsible for selling over 160 million records literally, along with us, right? We want to meet artists in person. However, many of you guys said, I can't make it to that event, Brandon. I really want to make it. And I know that the information is going to be great because I got to see the growth from artists who went last time. Great, well, we finally broke down and decided to allow artists to get access to a replay 30 days after the event. However, you have to buy your ticket to the event before the event. We're not going to give anybody access to the event or the ability to submit their music for us to listen to if they don't purchase their ticket before the event, before it sells out. As many of you all know already, there's only 100 tickets available. So you will have the ability to get your music listened to, be considered to have a free one-on-one call with me, J.R. McKee and Jacory. Also, be shared on our social media platforms, amounting to over 200,000 followers and be put in front of our record label distributor and manager friends. The people who can help you grow. And if they want to reach out, we'll help facilitate that. So that's the quick announcement. October 15th, www.nolabelnecessary.com slash DC, we'll put the link in the description on YouTube. If you want your music considered, if you want to see this exclusive event that we're only showing in a private space, never putting out this information publicly online, go ahead and grab it before they're sold out. Peace. And you just made me think about something, man. Cause I'm thinking about, I think it was either Scorpion or More Life, whichever one he released while ex was still alive. And a huge critique that he got back then was that like, hey, you didn't tap into none of the smoke perps and the ex-excess anthocions, like you just completely ignored this new, like young subculture and stayed up here and we can feel that, right? The music is a little bit out of touch, man. Like it's just people we would expect to see on it that aren't there. And so now we're talking about, you know, six, seven years later that it took him to maybe learn that, oh, maybe I did make a mistake in that. And then he's getting criticized for it. You know what I'm saying? It's definitely a damned if you do, damned if you don't situation. And that's a part of being at that level, right? You already know there's going to be both sides. But then again, right? So somebody like Joe, from what I'm hearing on his side is, cause he Austin does come from a purest, opinion, even if it's wrong or disagreeable. He's basically saying, I just want to see you directly as an artist, your personal love. That's what, if you kind of like go through the layers, who are you and where are you and let it just be you. And your expression versus constantly making these moves to connect and stay relevant in a traditional way. And I think what Joe is saying, right? When you take out the Joe-isms of it, cause that's always going to come off as offensive and brash, right? Is Drake your Drake? All right, cause let's be clear. He did clearly separate him and say, like Drake is not the field. He isn't a normal dude. He used the term golden child. Like he is that dude. And because you're that dude, I think a couple of things. One, he might have higher expectations of him, whatever he considers to be his expectations. But I think he also is saying you have the ability to do it. Something that a lot of artists don't, right? Who have pop level success or whatever. Like people have to keep chasing and chasing to make these moves. And maybe he's saying like, yo, bro, like you should have the freedom, right? Cause you're you to do something purely. And that's what most artists are fighting for, to just be them. Like you should just like open up and just be you. I think some of those things are coming from that point which could be a sense of jealousy or whatever. But I don't even know if you call it a good or bad way. But it's like what, you know, like when an old person said, y'all got opportunities we never had. Like are you saying they hate or is it like, like they just don't feel like you're doing everything that you should be doing what you have. I don't know. Frustrated, frustrated, good intentions. Frustrated, there we go. Frustrated. Cause even, I was talking about this on my live stream where I was like, I do agree with that with Joe Bunn's point where like, I'm learning about art from Jay-Z. You know, J Cole is teaching me about, you know, how to be a better family man for whenever I decide to take that route. I don't know what Kendrick is teaching me if I really think about it, but something's in there. Kendrick is getting, Kendrick is like, you know, it's the one apps, it's like this abstract way of connecting like real problems. Like I feel like I'm always getting inside Kendrick's mind where he is at that time. Like the shit that he really cares about or is finding issue with like, if you go to the pepper butterfly, that was the stuff that was on his mind. He really wanted to have a voice at that moment. It felt like that was what's on his mind. This, you know, damn, he integrated a lot of those things and then here, the last project, Mr. Morale or whatever felt like that therapy, a therapy session. Yeah. Okay. He always just feels like it's coming from him and direct he presents it in different ways, but it's what he cares about or what he's experiencing. That's what Kendrick feels like. It's like a real time journal. That's what, yeah, there we go. Okay. So, but in the conversation and me thinking about that, I was like, just thinking about Drake's life over the last 12, 15 years. And I mean, he's been, you know, as big as he's been for at least a decade at this point, right? I wouldn't be surprised to learn that Drake is the modern day version of like Michael Jackson. Right? You know how like Michael Jackson kind of always got critisive. Like, yo, he's been famous and in this whole other world for so long that like he literally does not view the world. Like his, his little experiences, he can't talk about it because we still wouldn't be able to connect. You know what I'm saying? Like, and so to the point that, you know, Joe made about Drake, like, yo man, stop fucking the 25 year old, stop panning to the youth. I'm like, well, bro, he's been a pop star for like a decade. We wouldn't understand what it's like to smash 25 year old. No, no, no, not saying that, you know what I'm saying? What they wouldn't mean. No, like, but that might be his life. That might really just be his life. It might not be different than that. Like his life really might just be smashing 25 year olds, going out to eat, making music and then trying to figure out how to stay tapped in with young people. So if there is his life and he is talking about his, he is, you know what I'm saying? I saw some comments, especially from women, there was like, he needs to grow up. So Joe is saying grow up to your music. And he's, but he could be looking at, you know, a symptom versus some fans are looking at the cause. Like, no, you actually haven't grown up. So maybe, yeah, maybe Drake is like, no, bro, this is me. But the fans are like, so will some fans were like, yeah, no, bro, like you need to grow up. Cause I remember it was like between him and future. That's what I saw in the comments. They were like, both of them need to grow up. No, it was like, it was like Drake's fans want him to grow up, but future fans don't want him to grow up. That's what it was they were saying. So, and then some people were saying, is Drake really him or not like normal? Like people feel like he's always pretending or something like that. I saw a lot of that in the comments. But all this still is dictated by the perception of the fans. It's all falling back to the fans. So I don't think you can really like argue that. We were talking about music business success because one, those are the people who buy from you. I don't even know how you are you like, these are the people who are funding your career. And if you don't have these people fund your career, we know the labels are not going to support you. Then it's obvious that their opinion matters the most. We know the labels don't matter cause how many times, not the labels, but like let's just say music professionals like us, right? We know our opinion don't matter either because if a song pops off and we didn't like it, we still gonna have to market and push it. Yeah man, so I gotta do my job. You still gotta do your job, right? We've had all marketed songs that we didn't like maybe or just didn't think it was, because maybe we didn't like it at first and then we started to like it. Or we liked it, but we didn't think that other people were gonna like it like that and they really liked it, right? So there's all these different versions. The thing that gets pushed the most though is always going to be dictated by the fans and the masses. Yeah and I think too is important to distinguish between what type of fan they are, right? So you take it back to Joe. Joe isn't a typical music fan, right? The typical music fan probably doesn't know much about music theory and music creation. Maybe knows a little bit about music business from what they see on like Instagram posts and their random artists. Yeah. You know, they follow, kind of talk about stuff. Listen to music, do radio or clubs or something like the average fan opinion, I can understand if an artist doesn't want to take that seriously. I do think there are points when it should be right to your point like, hey, you need to understand the mind of the people that are buying your product. So even if you don't care to hear it, you need to care to understand, you know what I'm saying, where that opinion is coming from. But then I think there is a certain level of fan whose opinions do outweigh the opinions of other fans. And I look at those as like the super fans, right? The ones that do understand music creation and maybe are super audiophiles and they've been collecting vinyls for years and years and have always kept in touch with the music scene. Like those are people that have a different take on music that I think is a bit more valuable than the average music fans take. And I do think it's unfair to say that that fans perspective doesn't matter. Because artists love saying that, bro. Artists, that's their go-to argument is you don't make music so you can't critique it. But if all that mattered, one with two things that, one, I think that leads to artists getting caught in this cycle of seeking other artists' validation because they feel like other artists' opinions matter more than the fans like, bro, like, if you're gonna make a song and Kanye loved it but nobody buys that shit, whose opinion really mattered? Kanye's are the fans. The fans' opinion matter more in that situation. Like Kanye told you this shit will fall but whatever reason these niggas ain't about this shit. You know what I'm saying? Their opinion matters more. So I think it puts artists in this weird, like cycle of always chasing artist's validation. But then on, what was I going to say? But then the second thing on top of that is just like, you know, like, I think you have to also look at like where the fan is coming from with that, right? Like, so in Joe's case, to your point, it didn't feel like he was trying to attack Drake. He's just like, hey man, this is what I feel as a Drake fan, you know what I'm saying? And he's not the only Drake fan to say that. He's just a Drake fan with the biggest voice that has said it, you know what I'm saying? And as a matter of fact, that wasn't even a real critique. It was just a desire. Yeah. That's all it was. And we've all had that. But the Joeism's made it sound like a critique. Of course, the Joe is doing Joe's thing. But we've all had that before. It's like, dang, I want this type of energy from you. I want to hear you in this space. Or I want to hear you in this artist. Yeah, I want to hear you with this artist in this collab. It might be, I might not even hate the thing you came out with, but you know sometimes when you eat some food, that wasn't the food you had a taste for. So you were like, ah. It wasn't bad. It just wasn't what I expected. Yeah, yeah, yeah, and it still won that. That's what it feels like. I just think it's a, it's interesting. I never would have guessed that Joe Budden would be the poster child of the fan opinion, you know what I'm saying? It makes sense, man. I kind of see it in the moment, but I just never would have saw that coming. But I think that's the bigger conversation right. It's like, a lot of artists, man, like they probably hate to hear, but artists are snobs about this shit, bro. Man, how many, I can't tell you how many artists we've heard talk bad about other artists stuff. Oh yeah. Right? Artists, I hate it. And then they don't know how many artists are talking bad about their stuff, right? Calling their stuff corny or bad or whatever it is. Like it's a cycle, man. So I, when it comes down to it, y'all don't want to hear anybody's opinion if they don't agree with it. Exactly, bro. But the problem is you are doing something that is by nature subjective at the end point of how it gets experienced. Even if you got like technical, you know, things done correctly in this field, it's consumed objectively, which is hard, right? Cause people got different experiences. So they might not know how to connect with it, but that is the end result. So when it comes to your success, making it a career, undoubtedly, bro, the fans are paying back. Yeah, 100%. Not even close, bro. If I had to put percentages on it, I would say fan opinion, 60 to 70%, artist opinion, 20 to 30%, industry professional opinion, 10%. I might do industry professional opinion even smaller. Mm. I think. Like 7%? A little six and a half. I say industry professional opinion of the actual music. Yeah. It's okay. So what matters when it comes to the industry professional one, they need to like you, right? Like it's more of the how they feel about you as a whole. So that goes beyond the music. So that's a whole another category. We're just talking about music. I think, yeah, it's maybe like six, seven percent. So I was gonna say, yeah, if it was talking about music, I think it's less than 10%. Just talking about music. If we're talking about infrastructure, I think 10%. Infrastructure. The reason it does matter, cause it's almost, it would be zero in my opinion, because you're just behind the scenes, bro, do your job. However, you have people in these labels, right, that are fighting for certain artists. So if you don't have anybody fighting for you, cause they don't like your music, you won't get a certain level of leverage. However, if we fight for you and you get a certain look and then the fans don't fuck with it, then. Everybody down bad. Yeah, we down bad. So then you still gonna see an industry professional try to ride with an artist that has some momentum, sometimes even more than somebody they like, cause it's like, well, I gotta get my raise. I gotta get attached to this artist. Yeah, so I can flip. So the industry professional is very swayable because their life depends on the outcome of the artist. That's fair. That's a fair point. Yeah. That's a fair point. I don't know if I want to rock with you, but last minute I brought you out, they talked about firing me. So I got to rock with you, you're a young dude. I'm sorry, man. Ask me, you want to get dropped with him or not? No, I'm good. Tell us what y'all think. This is another clip. It's No Labels Necessary. I'm Brandon Manchin. And I'm Corey. And we out. Peace.