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You put it in the side. Yeah? What? Why? What? Hello? We're so low that adjusting our shit's not going to do anything. Yeah? Adjust the main volume. Hello? Testing? Testing? Hello? Testing. Hello? Testing? Hello? Testing? Why am I hearing what you just barely put? While I'm hearing myself backwards through this, no wonder why. What's happening? Testing. Testing. Testing. Testing. Yeah? Testing. Testing. Testing. Testing. Testing. Now my guess is, we saw a million, all of them. Yeah? Yeah? backwards through this no wonder why is the PC sound off yeah actually cuz that cut off a lot of that squeaking in yeah but I don't know if I can hear Darren hello I could I can hear I can hear I was gonna say I can hear I can hear chips yes yes okay testing testing microphone testing microphone I should I don't know turn it down or turn the boost off neither one of the bush beyond yeah testing testing testing test boop down down down down down down hello hello hello hello testing probably right about there testing over here testing testing testing testing testing over here testing over there testing testing test fo druckets my ears yep yep that hurts yep that definitely hurts hey do we live stream this now yes we do we do yes we do how many viewers we got how many viewers we got right now no one oh yeah he hasn't he hasn't really advertised it yet so I mean like in general yeah that too yeah there's only generally like two maybe three at the most yes this patreon yes $10 level you will get no sound and oh no you will die he'll get no sound and like it all right actually not too bad actually your sound looks like it kind of matches mine hello testing hello testing hello hello you can talk to Aaron I'm talking right now how are you doing yeah you're good chips you're good news okay nice should be no yelling no more freaking blowing out of your drums hopefully all just turning there I think we're I think we're good I had never given drank up then nope and that potion that that one is right now right now all right that's going right now right now right now oh god gigging gigging oh baby baby i'm over it's on your they're on your chair all right all right oh my gosh how's it going darin mr darin har how's it going back all right back again back in black oh what i'm telling you i know i'm just giving you camera work camera work hey remember the lights on this time because they were already on oh yeah hey earlier about that all right let's turn darin let's get well just so once you get talking yeah i'm over here now yeah you do that you see oh okay he's here i am talking again darin quick i'm talking right now into this microphone i'm currently scrolling through instagram and eating doritos because that's what i do that's how it works yep all right that other stuff that's static yeah hopefully you can take that out and audio edit i know how to take it out anyway so sure he does yeah all right here we go oh man okay do i gotta start recording well i mean that's what we're here that might help that means i gotta stop eating my doritos yeah yeah i think we should everybody oh that's okay welcome to the live stream everybody there's no one watching there's a reason for that yeah wait what oh darin okay ready when you are all right get this going a little all right ready to sink everything darin all right so three two one three two one three two one first one was really good all right anyways let's worry about pairs prostitutes posts how am i supposed to show the podcast meek new york meek new york the arsonist has oddly shaped feet all right here we go hey everyone welcome to episode 55 of the nintendo prime podcast a special episode 55 for many reasons that's older than my mom whoa jeez um i don't even know how to respond to that um is it older than my mom i think it's older than my mom too and i'm a lot older than you what does that say yeah i don't hate anyways um if you guys can't tell mr darin har has returned back in black ready to stay hopefully be here every week to speak my bad nintendo opinions yeah it's been gone what four or five weeks on my bed it's been a while yeah yeah i kind of lost my recording space temporarily because um the people who let me use that space left for a month and i was like well that's great well i mean i mean you could do what i used to do back in the day you just sit in the closet that means you got to come on to the closet every thursday but you know hey that's that's or go back into the closet every thursday one of the two both yeah um obviously we have eric more here as always hello so you know what's exciting and i still haven't figured out you know a twitter account i do what the heck is it because i don't know what but i sent you a tweet i'm gonna follow you right now tweet to me i don't get well i get everyone i don't read them all i sent you message what is it yeah that's it is emote 8790 so emoh 8790 this is a milestone event i gotta do it right now in my phone 8790 i'm gonna follow it before you need you probably because i don't even have twitter open yet eric more five followers yep with the green bay packers background following you a couple of my friends okay and then some one random person that i have no clue what is it 87 yeah he's followed by a cosplayer named angia freeman oh it i don't know sure i have no clue you're up in that cosplay scene yep sure apparently did i enter it wrong emoh 8790 he follows 37 people already i do but he has no tweets huh i know right yep 8790 oh 8790 ah there he is yeah yeah now i well i follow your lovely value so i get all your tweets oh yeah well you mean my whole like none so far because i haven't had a need to tweet i just get it for sports news mainly well you're gonna have some followers from the center prime of sure yeah probably uh all tweets i wanted all your tweets baby oh yeah every tweet i want to get my phone buzzing yes i follow a bunch of box people on mine yeah analyzing eric's tweets new segment all right um anyways welcome to the center prime hi guys everyone uh so yeah that's exciting i was well i i'm gonna have to remember yeah you're here you can just say yourself yeah um obviously you can follow uh darin at real darn and you can file myself at nitty prime or at any chance nitty prime is the one i mostly post on at any chance is when i want to say something that might not be uh appropriate for public consumption yet i post it on a public network uh usually it's just something that i don't know i've been trading the nitty prime one like my own twitter anyway so i don't know i just have two twitters because it's just how well yeah it's how i roll yeah how i roll you have two of pretty much everything pretty much i had two websites at one point tenor prime net center prime back and everything everything oh boy uh so the other special thing about this is that the eric has a twitter and yes yes there and it's here is that this is the podcast following up a nintendo direct oh boy what a podcast to return to this does not happen very often we usually get two major nintendo directs a year this was considered a major one they did not call it a mini they did not call anything else this was like a nintendo direct uh and then obviously we usually get like two other mini ones or smaller ones that maybe we could talk about uh usually single game related maybe an extra game thrown in uh obviously we had the nintendo mini earlier and then there was also a week later in the nintendo labo announcement which was not a direct by the way that was just an individual announcement but oh boy i have a feeling we're going to be talking about this direct almost the entire podcast yeah probably that's why we only have one other topic and we'll see if we even get to it we are a nintendo podcast so yeah yeah so um for those who didn't catch the direct what's wrong with you quoting my quoting my man reggie yeah um yeah you know who i talked to like two seconds ago who hasn't watched the nintendo direct is zacky zack yeah i'm like i'm like what's up you see the direction he's like no no really and i'm like what what's wrong with you what's wrong with you uh yeah that's the thing uh the this direct at least like someone was telling me because we were live streaming it uh someone was telling me that the the official nintendo or a peak that likes 350 000 views on youtube i don't know what to peak that i don't twitch but that was actually kind of low the mini had a higher view higher peak than that uh when i looked at the numbers on this direct after the fact on nintendo's channel it didn't have a lot of views either it seemed kind of down it's just because the mini any direct was so hyped up for weeks the mini direct was hyped up for two days okay two days but still those are that's the most hyped i think anyone's ever been for nintendo direct in the span of two days maybe maybe here's the thing about about this direct all right um there you know they gave us a day warning yep pretty usual but the thing about it is well you know what let's just recap what what happened in the direct before we do anything else i guess uh there was it was for 3ds and switch games um the 3ds games were basically things we already knew about except uh what there was the warrior warrior wear gold or whatever uh which is like a collection of warrior stuff yep uh there was a luigi's mansion yes master right uh did not skip over bowser's inside story bowser's inside story now grand i think we knew one the one part of it was coming the second part that got added on we didn't know it was gonna be packaged that is the only worthwhile 3ds announcement of the night you are you beating on luigi's mansion here right yes i am already already well we're just recapping right now before we get into a podcast right now all of our opinions um because i don't have the full list of stuff in front of me right now i'm trying to remember what if there was what other 3ds announcements or there's a set to pick a choose something we already knew about that what we finally got to hear more of the voice acting that was really weird i'm not gonna want it to be different it's definitely different i yeah um i'm trying to think of what other 3ds games might have been announced that's what the phone's for uh okay so as he's looking it up i guess i'll head on over to the switch stuff we've got the we've got an extended look at mario tennis aces they added some new uh moves and stuff like that they didn't really touch anything on the single player i mean they teased it with a little more gameplay of it but they didn't really say anything they focused more on just how the gameplay works uh yes there's motion controls as an option we'll get into that and then there's uh uh you can like turn down the game mode from like standard to like a casual mode which gets rid of some of the new options and new abilities to make it a more basic playing style uh like well like people might remember mario tennis being basically way back in the day and then uh let's see we got to see more of the new travis touchdown game i had to find the gameplay of it instead of a trailer uh we got to see oh i'm trying to more of higher waters definitive edition got a release date uh we got to see curvy star allies no surprise that releases weeks week sucks oh my gosh can you wait we're recapping here my man um we got to um i don't know off the top of my head it it's getting really hard to remember because it should be so fresh but that might give you a feeling on how things are oh hey did you find like a list of everything i think so okay so all right so so here's awesome so the headlines for 3ds though the war warrior wear gold uh it oh yeah we can't forget about pulse pulse potty pulse apocalyptic races and battles with uh dylan he dylan's back you guys remember dylan from the ds days he is back oh yeah i can't can't forget him no no uh yeah the marty luigi inside uh modern luigi bowser's inside story a lot we talked about that well we haven't talked about it we mentioned that's the one uh luigi's mansion back the future so that was basically all of the 3ds stuff uh yeah it wasn't a whole there was the curvy star allies yeah it was it was actually really short yeah we'll get to that uh curvy star allies okami hd uh shishito something's of the something with the sushi yeah you know a game i'm everyone's gonna want to play that that's not the name of the game that's the what the american translation probably no no no these are just like little things like like is this game called discover more characters and jobs and launch info yeah no it might be no that's octopath travelers anyways octopath travelers it is weird that like i'm mobile they don't put the name of the game in the headlines for for a lot of these it's so weird anyway so you gotta remember what they are anyway uh so octopath travelers were shown off they announced two more of the characters and that you can combine abilities of two different ability types per character um they talked about uh obviously i had to mention the Travis touchdown game uh they talked about dark souls uh and how there's going to be a praise the sun yeah there's gonna be an amiibo uh for it and there is yeah and there will be a test run of uh they want they want to do a server stress test basically so everyone's gonna if you're available they haven't announced when it's gonna happen but when it does happen uh you will be able to try out dark souls on switch for free so i guess i'll let you know if you would like to pick it up and it'll be the first time to actually see how the game performs on switch right uh in person so that'll be nice uh captain toad treasure tracker was announced it is a port of the wii u version with extra super mario odyssey related stages um there was uh that undertale is that undertale okay so yeah undertale yes undertale sported uh crash bandicoot insane trilogy was announced for switch uh some what what is this one i'm gonna open this up is that actually what's called it's called little nightmares yeah little nightmares little nightmares so little nightmares uh it looked like a more india's title it's been released on other platforms but already so it was with the pac-man hat yeah with the pac-man hat if you type the pac-man in me we get a pac-man hat it actually looks really really good i have never played it yeah but i've heard very good things about it it did look interesting it's been out on other platforms for a while and it does include all the dlc with that no pricing blah blah there is the cell park and the fractured butthole that was officially announced coming to switch uh although the dlc and that is not being packaged and you do have to buy it separately then again fractured butthole is a more recent game it's not even six months old at this point i don't think so uh i don't even know if all the dlc's even released yet because you go right they said you could buy it in a season pass yeah so um now high reward is definitive edition uh obviously they go to release day for that uh and then they talked about arms uh surprisingly uh they are still supporting arms quite heavily there's going to be like this worldwide tournament online it's a worldwide online tournament is it i thought it was just north america new north america it's worldwide it's worldwide watch the other directs okay you didn't watch it oh no it's per region north america you're up okay got it got it okay that makes sense anyway so there's an online tournament for that coming up in march and then on march 31st i think it's the final eight contestants get yeah again it's an online thing but i don't know if the time is going to fly you out to someplace and live stream and who knows it's gonna be three probably uh no it's happening in march 31st the finals potentially if that's what i meant yeah if they don't do the finals that day maybe that'll happen in eddie three um although that is a long time that's our that's our ticket to e3 baby yeah we have to dominate in the game we barely play yes you've never played really and i've never played it in a long time period that i mean that's just that's all the beginner luck yes i played the test punch like months ago that's another thing they're bringing back another test punch over well it's going to be almost over a year since the game came out they're bringing on another test punch um kind of crazy so they're giving people a which i admire actually for those who haven't picked it up yet yeah like well well we'll get into uh some of these and we know we'll go game by game and talk about how we feel um and then obviously our podcast there was there was the big announcement um new uh a new paid dlc for the first time ever in splatoon 2 um has to do with the octalines 20 bucks uh it comes out i don't think they gave us an exact i think this is summer 2018 um you have to go through a single player campaign with the octalines i believe when i listened i listened back i think they said 80 levels what i could be wrong it's also apparently the year yep of the octaline yep i mean yeah the square to this 2018 no you're the octaline is exactly what he said yep this 2018 and then he made the eight the eight figure um yeah anyways because we had the splatoon two yeah yeah splatoon two and now we have the year of the octaline so i you know what it is what yeah um anyways that dlc is coming for the first time ever first time paid dlc and then once you beat the single player campaign i believe they said you can use the octalines in normal multiplayer and everything although i think there is gear out now if you if you preorder the you can use the dlc now you get like a special head head gear or whatever yeah uh that's themed after the octalines which i might end up doing because i play splatoon and they're clearly going to be supporting it for a long time yeah obviously we talked about the martin's aces stuff and then obviously the big announcement how they entered the direct smash roads come into switch um and the big thing with that was uh that it was the breast of the wild link they showed and then obviously they kicked it off by the og inklings from splatoon one uh if you have those those old school uh inkling amiibo from splatoon one the blue and the orange they are the ones being featured and are going to be in the game it doesn't mean you can't skin them to the newer ones we don't know because there's always costumes and stuff but yes the that those were that was kind of the big announcement for smash so before we go game by game because obviously darin's got some very strong opinions on right um let's talk about this just this directed at general sense yep um because personally i i said this in my quick reaction after and upon reflection i still think this way smash bros is coming this year it's 2018 um as excited as i am for it yeah the fact it's coming this year wrapping this in with another rumor that it's just a wii u 3ds port with new characters um the thing is if this is just a port of smash bros for wii u and 3ds uh with new characters which is fine i actually that's my favorite smash bros of all time is that one so i'm actually that makes me happy uh that means in this entire direct at least for the nintendo switch i'm glancing at 3ds quick um for uh yeah it looks like maybe the entire direct there wasn't a single game announced that was new they were all ports you either had games that were already previously announced and showed off dlc for currently existing games or ports like i'm sitting you're looking at uh the warrior wear gold a lot that's a collection series uh the new of an old 3ds 3ds thing is the dylan games new we'll get 3ds and props dylan is new um inside story also it's the it's already announced it's yeah it's been announced but there's some new elements to it right uh but it's still technically a pre-existing game but like you and we'll we'll get into 3ds in a little bit but i specifically meant on switch right because that's what i was looking forward to they spent 20 minutes on switch stuff we've already made it clear that we don't really give a flying hoot about 3ds well i'm gonna give this 3ds games a we're gonna go to a fair no no i know but you know if you look at curvy star allies already knew about okami hd again it's hd of okami an old game uh the sushi sashida you can say that's like a new let me let me actually get the exact name sushi striker the way of the shishito right um that i like i like that other one better well that game technically hasn't released yet so you can argue it's a new game but it's previously announced for 3ds last year three 3ds last year d3 okay so it is a new announcement for switch but it's a game that had previously been announced and they just delayed it so long it's also coming to switch yeah uh so i don't like is anyone really gonna consider that like a new game for switch i mean it is technically but like we're not talking breath of the wild levels of hey it's a we you game and now we're bringing it to switch we're talking about a sushi game yeah like feeding people like okay we're not talking about anything big and exciting here uh at your pet travelers already knew about already seen gameplay there's a demo on the e-shop by the way play that demo if you're into like those rpg's and the look of the game oh it's so good but even if you're not into rpg's play it for the art style alone because it is amazing and then we have travestrex again no more heroes again previously announced it was the first time we did see gameplay of it we saw the split joy con co-op and everything looks really really fun um seven different levels i think of different styles of indie games but uh the thing is with that is it's a game we already knew about was coming to switch and we knew was coming this year that's oh it is 9 30 p.m. yeah that's why i wake up alarm to wake yulia for where she doesn't work tonight um captain treasure tracker again port of a we u game yeah uh the uh undertale again port port um crash bandicoot insane trilogy again port of a game it's already released uh the little nightmares again port of a game it's already released self park port of a game already released her warriors port of a game already released like it's all ports there was not one new announcement for switch that wasn't a port or an already announced game and if you could see if you think back to the nintendo red mini it depends on if smash bros is new or not there's a well that's a thing that's the caveat is if smash bros is a port because they didn't they didn't say you know i don't know how they would have presented it in the title because it because it was smash bros for we use smash bros with 3ds what are they gonna say smash bros definitive edition i yeah i mean come on that doesn't really work smash bros ultimate i think the official title on the official title is nintendo switch super smash bros oh is the official it's a working title it's a working title i'm guessing they're gonna call it super smash bros for nintendo switch i'm just looking at their previous naming conventions i would rather than just call it super smash bros if they're not gonna give it a real subtitle right but it is better you know because like if it is a port i guess that was before we use for 3ds was the subtitles yeah right so i mean i guess it makes that that's the other thing the fact that it's called nintendo switch super smash bros is kind of like okay they're gonna call super smash bros for nintendo switch and that's just a clear sign that this is just a port super smash bros we port we port another game but now that's the thing but even if i mean i don't know like i i think that it's too soon for smash bros to be here if it was brand new if it was brand new i i just feel it's too soon to hit in 2018 now that doesn't mean the other smash bros game hasn't been out for a while but like you know we are pretty damn sure sakura is not working on it anymore because he's been talking about other projects and doing other things right um and it's not even listed for anything with nintendo currently uh we think bandai napkin might might possibly be making it because they helped before uh but we don't really know what team's making it or porting it uh the fact that sakura is not leading it would lead you to believe that it might take a little bit of extra time to make a brand new one and if we look at what they've previously done with other once per generation games uh outside of splatoon to uh mario kart 8 deluxe ported i mean i mean look at all the ports were just like all these things were ports so why i'm led to believe why would smash was being different right right now in 2018 i mean the only way i could see it not being is if they started right away when the when the switch was i mean even before the switch was announced and it comes out at the end of this year like a holiday game like it's also weird to me um because assuming that smash is a port that would mean the nintendo direct mini had more new game announcements than a full nintendo mm-hmm how does it happen no how again we don't know that it actually happened but i'm just i am damn sure that it's a port i'm like 99 percent sure they ported this game and there's adding new characters i would that that'd be where i put my money and you want to know what also helps support the fact that it's a port the inklings are the og inklings from the view ah yes they're not they're not the switch ones they're not the mascots from switch we're talking about the og inklings which is like okay that it's a port yeah i'm sure they'll throw ice climbers in there because they couldn't do it because the 3ds please they wanted they wanted to do the same rosters so the thing is like i remember i think sakurai said he actually was working on these cameras which is why i think it's an easier addition for them because sakurai himself already worked with them and tried balancing them so yeah i'm pretty sure they had them fully implemented into the game but had to take them out into the 3ds yeah it just didn't work well on 3ds the frame rate dropped too much so that's why my feelings on that and because of that this direct was two two different things for me disappointing completely disappointing a nintendo direct mini should never outshine a full nintendo direct um and two it also was the smartest decision nintendo could make they just wipe the slate clean so e3 all we should expect is new game after new game after new game after new game because the only new game they've announced is mario tennis aces this year now which looks amazing by the way it looks all phenomenal but what are you guys's general thoughts on the direct that's where i personally loved it okay i mean the game i remember the last direct that happened the mini direct you were talking about the game that saved it was mario tennis aces for you was a game that saved it for me i mean was obviously the smash bros announcement i couldn't give a crap about the inklings i mean breath of the wild link is you know where my hype is not that i'm saying splatoon is bad or anything i just haven't played it so oh i don't know if it's your kind of game you're crappy internet suicide yeah yeah if i had good internet you better believe i'd be all over that because right now splatoon like splatoon two is like selling the game buster it might already be over six million on switch yeah totally i mean i if i somehow get good internet within the next few months which i might then i'm definitely jumping on splatoon two to be sure but uh yeah i really like an announcement that i think was really buried uh due to the hype of other announcements like smash bros was captain toad with new stages on switch that was ever well to be fair the entire directs buried by smash well that's everywhere i go this is very old everywhere i've been on youtube everywhere i've gone even on nintendo websites or igm like smash is the lead story no one's talking about anything else but i smash anyone who has that game sings the praises of uh captain toad same for uh i love country drop freeze you know anyone who owned that game on we you both games think it's great and now the new stages from odyssey i mean that i did i really didn't expect that that's really cool so i'm definitely gonna pick that up so then our real warriors yeah i'm gonna pick that up because we talked about that before yeah you're a soccer darin that's everything else i really could not care about well all the 3ds announcements besides bowser's inside story yeah my retina says is yeah i'll probably pick it up but yeah but i mean just those announcements i'm satisfied with i really wasn't expecting much you know some people are like oh i hope to show off pokemon and and metro prime 4 and a new smash and animal crossing yeah yeah i was i was kind of hoping for animal crossing too but hey we got a three now like that's probably all you well that's well the thing is is people expected new game announcements not to forget rumors and speculation they expect a new game announcements because we got a new game announcement in a nintendo direct mini this is a full half hour fat nintendo direct i liked this direct more than the direct mini that's probably because the games appeal to you yeah and i understand that i think overall quality of games definitely favors us direct just because like like when i said i'm i'm disappointed in the right it's just because it's all ports right it's not because they're not games i'm like i'm buying self art the fresh butthole i haven't played it i really want to play it i've been putting it off because i thought it might come to switch it is coming to switch and i didn't play the first self art game so this is gonna be a whole stick of truth yeah stick of truth this will be a whole fresh experience for me and i love self art oh yeah so like it's gonna make for insanely fun live streams and you know it's gonna be crazy um i love will come i mean this is so i'm glad it's coming out of hd am i gonna pick it up probably not like like my issue is like a lot of these ports but you have like the AAA games they're gonna be 60 bucks mm-hmm and i i literally just made a video uh this past week about how i'm actually starting to get tired of these old games just because they're on switch we charge 60 bucks don't count tropical fees 60 bucks i was definitive edition 60 bucks and i understand definitive edition you can argue oh the end of the skins and they're combining two versions of the game blah blah it doesn't matter all this content has existed before besides the skins right you already spent 60 bucks plus 20 dollars on a season pass plus 40 dollars on a new game already spent 120 dollars and the season pass for that game yeah and the season pass i don't even know if i bought season pass but i was so frustrated i did i'm sure you did mr on buying it for a third time plus all dlc um you know captain goad i'm actually for the treasure trackers they're gonna charge 60 bucks for and it wasn't even 60 bucks on we you um you know dark souls probably gonna be 60 bucks it's a quote unquote remaster coming to all platforms yeah so at least that'll be equal treatment to other platforms doesn't mean i think it should be 60 i don't know what is the insane trilogy release 40 you guys know for a PlayStation 4 i can't remember if it was a 40 or i don't think that was a fat 60 no i can't refuse to apart it's gonna end up being 60 no for sure um yeah that that's what that's what i don't like about all these ports name because i just bought shout out of the colossus remake for ps4 because i saw it in walmart and it was 40 bucks it was a couple days after launch day and i'm like oh wait this gives 40 bucks i'm buying this right now you know they could they very well could have charged 60 bucks for it because it's totally remade from the ground up looks amazing it's not a port but they're charging 40 bucks for it which is amazing i mean and you know yeah they're charging 60 for all those other games i need this argument that any port let me put it this way any port from we you should just be 40 bucks out the gate that's still to me that's still too high like don't get on tropical freezing get for 20 bucks right now i'm with you so that's double the price of what it is that we you but i'm i'm gonna factor in the fact that cartridges cost a little more and the argument that it's a new game for people who never brought with you i agree nintendo is enforcing their own switch tax yeah like i i agree that that's a good argument for it to cost 40 right when people say oh well it's a new game for me so i don't care i'm gonna spend 60 it's like no no even though it's a new game for you you consciously know that game came out four years ago right you know this so you know it's a four-year-old game you know it's a Wii U game bare minimum and that it's ported over so why they added funky Kong okay no new stages no new levels no new level they added a new character with new abilities that's like saying you know what they brought smash bros over and the only thing they're gonna do is smash bros add the inklings 60 bucks and ice climbers we don't even know that there would be rides in the streets what you know it wouldn't make it even worse they make they add it they go 60 bucks and they don't include any of the dlc characters then there would be riots you have to buy them all over yeah and people would do it people would do it people would spend 60 bucks they would buy all the individual characters again because it's smash bros and because a lot of people didn't buy it because of the Wii U even though it was on 3ds you can't tell me there weren't a lot of 70 million plus of them um that that's my thing like i and mix i'm like i like these like i'm just going to the list kirby star allies i'm probably end up picking it up eventually uh travis touch down probably gonna get i'd prefer travelers is a definite buy dark souls is a definite buy because i've never played it so uh well i shouldn't say definite buy i'm gonna try out the uh the global tests they have for it and then if i enjoy that i will pick it up uh capital treasure trackers the thing is i want to get it because of the odyssey stages because i love i loved i love treasure tracker it's amazing but i'm not so sure it's amazing if they charge 60 right i don't own odyssey stages are worth 60 bucks so that's a wait and see if they get that at the right price point i will pick it up which again i've already said 40 bucks and under right price point just wait until the price drops undertale undertale just not something uh i am interested in replaying um so i i'll just let that be a lot of people are going to be excited about it i don't undertake was a huge deal i mean i'm definitely interested in uh replaying that because i and i didn't do all of the things i could have done and a lot of people would go like i want to switch i might i want all my favorite games on one platform for a lot of people undertale is still their favorite game very emotional game yeah no it's only game only game and existence to make me cry yeah it is one of the most emotional maybe one of the most emotional video games of all time if we're being honest and i know you might be like oh how do you get that out of sprites let me just play the game yep you'll if you play the game you'll invest your time into the world and characters and wear headphones you'll have a good emotional time or a bad one yeah or a bad one yes um but i mean but bad bad in an almost enjoyable way yeah not like you feel good but like you're feeling emotions that you're feeling away the game's impacting i don't want to like spoil it for people who never played it um but you'll you'll see if you pick it up it's just a very it's a great game it's a great game lots of interesting choices um do not seek out spoilers yeah yeah yeah um multiple uh you know so like i guess i mean i mean like i like like i'm gonna buy more games from this direct than from the mini but at least the mini had a four sure fire brand new game whereas here we have to even question if smash isn't it people are pumped people are excited they should be but i can tell you right now it's weird that a new game was announced for switch and i have to question if it's a port no yeah i mean some people might say oh that's that's your problem no because mario card eight deluxe was a port yeah it could be a super smash brothers deluxe and they're literally call it nintendo switch super smash brothers is the tentative title right now yeah remember when it was we use super smash brothers tentative title and then end up being smash brothers for wii u very creative guys i'm i using wii u ink leads like all the signs are there to me that this is yeah this is a port um again i can't prove it yet we probably won't know for sure till till e3 e3 they'll probably be game it's coming out this year it's gotta be gameplay d3 gotta be able to play it we'll know yeah we'll know we'll have all that information that we need um i'll have that back up uh but even if this is all ports and remasters like you said i mean i'm gonna buy more games from this direct than the mini direct sure and i'm coming from someone who hasn't bought a new game for their switch in months and is looking for something to play it's your aunt find it that it is my fault because i have selective taste but still very selective apparently i can't find a new triple a game that i can play on my switch that's a problem but even i am excited for these ports remasters and dlc packs okay so that's um let's take a step back because i i obviously i have my strong opinions here and i'm not trying to trash the game like all these games i want them on switch i want every game on switch i i just wish they at least gave us something that was a guaranteed new title um you know as an example would it have killed them to show a fire emblem which is supposed to come this year you can argue yeah but still well that that has been announced though i mean we haven't seen yeah it's been it's been announced but at least we would have got gameplay of something that we really know absolutely nothing about unlike all the other games that we got gameplay for uh like we've know a ton about already so i really i really just i don't know i feel like it needed at least one more title and again the fact they did this to me puts my expectations on e3 to the rough probably at a very unrealistic level because nintendo has really dropped the ball the first six months of this year in terms of new games it's port city the reputation that switches nothing what a port machine was only solidified by this direction oh yeah not like fought back against um and i get i am fine with the ports but you have to the new games too but for now outside of aces we're coasting on ports for six months in terms of major releases i know someone's gonna point out i think i'm forgetting another major game with kirby i suppose probably the other one um but yeah let's just go game by game in the direct uh let's just start by 3ds what are you guys thinking about warrior wear gold the biggest collection in series if it was on switch yes there we go that's i mean that's here's the thing with with 3ds it's like when i when i picture nintendo putting out new games on 3ds in 2018 i picture nintendo trying to jolt the 3ds to life it's it's dying on on its last breath just trying to jolt to back to life squeeze out every inch of life here's the thing here's the thing that's not the case no 3ds boom base is huge and it's selling games still the 3ds so i can see why nintendo is still supporting you you know what i mean the 3ds just have one of his best years in sales ever and it's like how the title literally gave it pokemon and nothing else that really really was a significant title and it's just blowing i mean oh well better some shirts again another port yeah it's great it's still so i see kids with it all the time warrior wear this warrior wear game is gonna move gangbusters even though it's just a collection of warrior wear stuff yeah i mean it looks fun it does well it's warrior wear yeah if you ever played a warrior game they're they're hilarious they're fun they're a good time yeah and i've never played a warrior wear game so for me this is something that i would want to pick up because oh it's a collection of warrior wear games that's a great introduction to warrior wear but it's on 3ds a console that i don't really want to play because the graphics look sucky compared to this brand new nintendo console i bought last year i think that is something to consider uh for because switch is portable it just put our expectation for portable visuals at a level that 3ds can't attain and makes 3ds look like a toy and because of that like in general for any 3ds like dylan's dead heatbreakers that was a brand new game announced dylan's back awesome like one of the i think it might be the only for sure brand new game announced looks fantastic why isn't it on switch yeah because here's the deal some games like the shishito game or whatever sushi something that game is on 3ds and with you so why can't i'm a vine all these 3ds games should be 3ds i'm sorry 3ds when we do 3ds and switch all of them i don't see any reason as a consumer that should be then the 3ds people get their games you don't make care about exclusive these aren't even exclusive they're pork so at give switch people you know you're just going to double your sales triple your sales you know you'll get the you'll get the 3ds crowd that hasn't gotten switched yet they want to pick up these games uh and maybe they end up being cheaper on 3ds and maybe they end up buying them again once lower visual fidelity so maybe they knock 10 bucks out the price on 3ds and so they're a little bit more expensive on switch but you're getting them an hd so people are going to view that as worthwhile for the hd effect um well then you might get them again when they actually do end up getting a switch well think about like there and you're excited for like mario and luigi bowser's inside story wouldn't you be more excited if it was on switch because that's basically the only mario and luigi game that i've played that i like but wouldn't you be more excited if it was on switch oh for sure uh so that's kind of my point here in 20 yes in 2018 i don't think these kind of games i know i mean these these are you can call them these are the lazy games right these are the ports the remasters like luigi's mansion me and brought over here why the hell isn't it brought over to switch luigi's mansion was a console game yeah my biggest thing with luigi's mansion is what what i would have loved to see was bring them both the switch and then announce a new one my i wanted them to announce the luigi's mansion 3 i if there is one being made i don't know that it's ready because dark moon isn't that old the second one that's old enough where there could be a new one but i don't know when whoever they would have chose to make it whether it's next level games or someone else how long they've had the switch to work with per se um and if it is next level games potentially make another luigi's mansion 3 which i don't think they are i think they're said they're working on something else but if they are um they've never made hd games so they could see how it might take them a little longer but yeah uh like mario luigi you know the bowser inside story you're excited for it uh just because the game you like and that's great but i i'm also of mind that like it's just like hiro warriors for me yeah it's a game i like but i owned it i played it why do i need to buy it again i can just go play it i already have new content is it like a new yeah there's there's there's a new story i understand that but but i guess maybe that's a bad example because it does have that new story um story to me like if they had a new story hiro warriors they probably got me but they didn't have it saying a new story and hiro warriors i mean story and hiro warriors really i love that story mode man yeah that story that story is great how many times have you had a story based around someone fawning over link that's awesome true and then like that person splits in two to the good and evil and they both like link and they both want link and it's like this is awesome many of zelda like what the hell's going on whoa but it wasn't canon so it doesn't matter it doesn't matter if it's canon it could have been canon there's literally no reason why it could it doesn't matter if it's canon or not it's just fun it's a game that exists that's officially licensed by the nintendo it is fun i i don't play it for the story though i play it to beat up thousands upon thousands of vocablins yeah i don't know the gameplay to me is the worst part of the game so with this amazing zelda but rock playing in the background some people do there are people that really love really love the soundtrack i love it i adore it so i guess the next three is going to talk about what detection pikachu you guys got any thoughts on that actually kind of thought it looked fun why i like pikachu quick attack yeah right did it did it work did i did i do it it looked it looked funny it's very different it looked awesome i mean it is not i wouldn't call it a pokemon game yeah well yeah obviously i'll tell you what i'm gonna do with that game what i'm not gonna buy and i'm gonna watch the game brums play it yes perfect that's that's what's gonna happen it's not a game i'm gonna play it's a game i'm gonna watch i bet you it's entertaining as hell oh i bet you it is too pikachu looks like he's got a lot of good lines um now speaking of did you see the the one meme out there that uh this guy like pikachu with his mouth open and just kind of like this just looks weird and then somebody adds teeth to it they're like nope nope definitely not it's definitely worse um i mean we briefly talked touched on louise's mansion did either one of you guys like louise's mansion i love her launch game for game queue yeah it was what this was all right i i've never played louise's mansion i think i played louise's mansion dark moon or whatever the heck it's called yeah that's yeah i played one more one day but actually i own dark moon i have seen gameplay and whatnot and it really doesn't interest me kind of looks boring i know probably a thousand people are shouting at me give it a chance just play it for yourself but i really if it was on switch maybe yeah do you like ghostbusters it's a remake for 3ds which i don't care about yes i did like ghostbusters okay that's what this is it's ghostbusters with louise in a slow clunky looking form it's not slow though once you get into it it's really not slow yeah it it's it is the one game especially the og that does not show well in trailers you have because they don't show you the best parts because it's all spoilers um well again if it was on 3ds and the visuals louise like as an example like there's a lot of people like louise's mansion dark moon it is a very good game yeah but when you play the original louise's mansion you're going to realize how much better dark moon should have been yeah i'll just give you the biggest issue in dark moon is variety yeah i'll give it a ghost yeah i'll give it a ghost variety is like non-existent you're basically in every room capturing the exact same looking yeah besides boss fights obviously yeah but uh louise's mansion there's so many different types and there's you got to do different things to catch them and oh it's just it was to me not a revolutionary game but it was the game to me that put louise on the map it made him matter i know he's been in mario games stuff but like this was all his own and they nailed it unfortunately it was on one of their worst selling systems of all time so a lot of people didn't get to play it so i'm okay that's great put it on switch i know i know we already talk about this we agree every 3ds game it's okay if it's not 3ds but it also should be on switch right we all know this right nintendo is not doing it because they think that the games need to be exclusive to 3ds to continue to push 3ds sales they are not going to stop releasing games like this on 3ds until the 3ds stops selling they just got away with a whole year of doing crap like this recently remasters and remakes and old games on 3ds and it just kept selling well here's the thing here's the thing i'm saying right now like oh they should put louise's mansion remake on switch and i'm kind of i'm not mad but i'm just like frustrated but if they took one of my favorite franchises of all time they took the original Animal Crossing game and remastered it for 3ds i would be livid i'd be livid why is that not on switch so because we're making a new one for switch that's what we hope yeah right so we hope anyways yeah but why not put that on switch and the new one i have no idea exactly then that would make me extremely pissed off well see here's the thing i i look at it like this i can't be mad that louise's mansion is on 3ds because the alternative probably is that it just doesn't exist at all right so i'm not gonna pick it up on 3ds i don't even technically own my own 3ds right now there is 3ds in my house i can play 3ds games if i want i just got rid of all my 3ds is because i i can't financially support i can support multiple platforms but i i can't i don't feel like it's worth investing in my 3ds when i know i'm gonna turn that louise's mansion on i'm gonna play it for an hour i'm gonna be like yep this is the game i remember then i'm gonna put it down and never touch it again yep because it's not on switch and i want it in hd the upgrades the visual upgrades i saw in that trailer for it to me personally don't look a whole lot different from the gamecube and because of that it's like i'm not really getting a visually upgrading i'm just getting it portably and if i'm gonna get it portably bring that bad boy in hd this was a home console game bring it to me in hd now they're releasing it on there for people who play dark moon who maybe never played the original so they want to go through this i understand the logic behind putting on 3ds but i don't know i i'm ready for the 3ds to die we've been ready for a long time but it's not it's a thing if i'm nintendo i keep doing this all right why won't you and 3ds is a money train at this point they're just milking it for what's left we know there's not gonna be any more mainline pokemon games coming to it which is pretty much the death knell for the system but it keeps selling anyways so we'll see um maybe this is just what i mean if this is all they're gonna do moving forward is releasing like collection packs and you know the type of picture is new but um you know nothing like major hitting games i guess i'm okay with it they're they're just trickling it along i just hope that eventually some of these 3ds games make it to switch again get ported again get gas for more ports i'm realizing what i'm doing right now um but i'm talking about like light in the switchers life cycle um when maybe they don't have as many new games coming now granted they don't have a lot coming right now but uh when maybe they do and it's all second half of the year um so i guess we're getting to the exciting stuff the stuff that most of you guys care about the switch games uh most of our audience love switch some of you guys love 3ds as well but everyone i talk to is always playing switch curvy star allies tell me there what about it made you have the reaction you did um one word curvy you don't like curvy huh i curvy's epic yarn was all right but i don't consider that a real interest i have really have no interest in any other curvy games whatsoever have you ever played in the character have you ever played have you ever played anything but epic yarn because epic yarn does not it's it's a curvy game but it's more so like a yarn franchise game because it's nothing like normal curvy yeah i i have played other curvy games i can't remember any of the return to dreamland ones those are the ones that people get hooked on no idea played it at a friend's house and said well this is all right and i've seen videos i've seen i've watched the game brums play different curvy games different youtubers and i'm just not interested at all i mean the gameplay looks all right i mean for curvy fans it's great that you're getting a new curvy game and your two of switch but it's just not doing it for me yeah well curvy i mean for starters curvy games don't sell a ton um it's a smaller fan base it's it's about the same size as metro fan base and for me and honest um i know some people are gonna be mad about that comment but i'm sorry but look at the sales of metro games sorry they don't really sell that well it's actually surprising they've kept that franchise around especially with f0 but yeah we haven't seen it after all games forever um eric's is all pissed after all bring it back snowboard kids that i'll sell it yes from that back um yes we need to bring that back so here's the thing about curvy star allies um curvy games in general they don't provide challenge in terms of like they're not difficult games getting to the state isn't difficult yes we can argue about if getting out the collectibles is difficult like we can in certain mario games that may not be challenging but then you go for collectibles i really don't even care about challenge it could be the easiest game or the hardest game but yeah well yeah because you said you kind of sort of thought epic arms okay epic arms really easy you can't even die in that game um so like it doesn't get any easier than a game you don't die uh i should say that because i guess you can be a puzzle game that you don't die in but you can just be stuck forever because you can't figure out the puzzle um but curvy games are always they're super simple super easy um all about creating your own power ups and your own unique ways sucking guys in shooting them being that pink little fluff ball flying around the screen and just fun it's just it's just about fun um and what i will say is it's okay if this game doesn't appeal to you i'm not gonna ask you to play the demo because i assume the answer is no um i haven't i've been meaning to just just to see what happens just to see if maybe like here's what i'll say about the demo uh the demo's fun but the problem is it it's just well it's not a problem it's a demo i don't know what i expect it just ends and you're like i wanted more and you stopped yeah and that's almost that's almost a good feeling because you want more right well like you wanted more in the demo because you're like i only played for five minutes i wanted to play for ten but again it's a demo how much i mean i can't say they'll be like just keep giving me give me all the beginning stages like yeah they can't do it i mean the octopus traveler demo you can play forever i mean yeah basically like two mini campaigns in there yeah but what you play through in it from what we've been told is like the ultra super intro section for the characters and just because the intro sections are like you know four hours for each character it's an it's an open world rpg game lord so like erica's just learning it's it's open world yeah yeah so like so like it sounds like a lot but in comparison to how long it's gonna take oh no no no no yeah yeah it's nothing so like in comparison to how long like we spent five minutes on the demo comparison to how long it's gonna take to be Kirby it's probably a game that's beaten in under four hours yeah i mean maybe not 100% it but like beat the whole story mode four hours yeah um that's just the way Kirby games are which is why it doesn't cost 60 it cost 50 instead probably should be 40 but whatever it should be like 30 but you know yeah it is what it is it's Kirby yeah so i am excited for the game um in so much that i have really enjoyed the demo the fact that i ended the demo still wanting to play more makes me realize like like i ended the it's not even a spoiler because you guys can go play this on a free you fight you fight the dang wispy wispy wind tree again um i swear you fight that thing in every every game yeah and you fight king ddd in the second part of the demo and uh i really enjoyed the king ddd that was fun and that's i think one thing is that was the quote-unquote hard level it really wasn't that hard but it was definitely more difficult than the first stage but whether or not you'll notice the difficulty i mean you'll notice it in the boss fight the boss fight is harder yeah but that boss i had so much fun like i want to keep playing and there's no more and like it's okay i get it but because i had that feeling of wanting more okay i do want this game i don't know if i want it at 60 or 50 it is yeah but i want it and i if i told myself if i have the money when it releases on the 16th i will probably pick it up because i'm going to enjoy it i'm sure our fans are going to want to see me play it i know it's a game it also helps that i know it's a game that i don't have to invest hundreds of hours into being right you know i spend a good five ten hours i'm done and i'm okay with that i i think based out like i look at the games i have on i'm a switch like 160 plus hours and then be a 2k 18 basically a game it never really ends ends when you don't want to play it anymore right uh you guys but two and two a game it never ends i guess 75 plus hours probably 80 plus at this point um mario odyssey with its 999 moons and all this crazy stuff like i'm 90 plus hours into that breath of the wild seemingly never ends i'm 155 plus hours in that and some of you guys have pathetic for how much i love zelda some of you guys have like a thousand plus hours and at this point i mean reality is that i a lot of these games that i have even golf story 30 plus hours right now i have all these games on switch that require have like you know my chronicles too i'm 15 hours in and i barely scratch the surface and like i all these games that require heavy time investments and octagon travel is another game i'm excited for heavy time investment probably spent more time in that a damn demo than i have some of the games i have and it's like i'm still playing skyrim on switch skyrim heavy heavy time investment so like it's good i like getting a game like kirby at a time of this when i have so many games that with huge time investments in because i know look this is just fun pure unadulterated fun i am i'm gonna feel the satisfaction of beating the game and i don't have to spend my entire summer this year to beat it yeah you know what if kirby star allies was like 40 bucks yeah yeah if i'd be like all right i'm gonna play this beat it in like five hours maybe you know get one of my family members involved that's got fantastic music just say yeah i played kirby star allies beat it what about it like yeah i played it yeah yeah so uh that's kind of my feelings on that obviously you guys out in the audience love to know um how how what your thoughts are in kirby star allies are you picking it up do you think it's great obviously we have darin who just doesn't like kirby uh and do you like kirby do you just like kirby what are your reasons why are you cool with like a shorter game like this being 50 bucks are you cool with uh you know easy games that you just play through and just have fun and smile or maybe the fun for you is a challenge and you're looking more forward to things like dark souls or whatever the case may be what any other difficult games that are out there um you know i'll tell you one last thing one last thing about kirby is a drawback for me is that i've played maybe like three mega man games and i've only beaten one mega man x i've played like two sonic games and i haven't even beat a sonic game but i love those characters to death sonic mega man they're awesome all right kirby same thing i've played you know a couple games haven't really beat one but kirby as a character is not appealing at all well he's a cutie character you gotta be i mean you can have a mega mega man's a bad ass yeah but you can have a cutie character and make that character you know something that has a brand or a franchise is appealing name a cutie character you you enjoy astro boy okay i mean he's kind of cute i mean okay let me rephrase that a triple a franchise cutie player mario i don't know that how mario cute peach hey baby mario baby mario baby mario there you go oh yeah that's right you know what yes yoshi okay there we go there's your there's your came from mario okay anything not related to mario everything a mario except for mario all right all right all right well i'll i'll let you out look it it's totally cool not to like kirby i love him one of my favorite characters in nintendo's franchises uh love him and smash kati saw some smash um get that down be gone villager there you go i i get what do you guys call villager cute out there i of course he would i don't know i'm not in smash bros because he looks menacing but in every other game but ever since smash bros when i look at him in other games he's still he now just looks menacing you just never looked at him in that light until you go back and play the game he's like oh when he just gets away it's just like luigi every time i look at him since the luigi deaths there dude if you actually just pay attention to his eyes and everything dude he's straight savage oh yeah luigi apparently luigi's probably always been this way and no one's noticed how savage luigi is like the glares he gives people can you blame him how much he go play the mario and luigi games and watch him get insulted over and over and over again like everyone's like oh yeah the other mario brother yeah right who invited you like i don't know i'm about to save your ass i'm here right right um pubsy so uh the next obviously the next game was uh okami hd either one do you play okami nope nope okay so it doesn't look like my kind of game either but i'm i'm actually really happy because you know there's huge uproar when capcom didn't port it to switch when you know it was going to xbox and ps4 and everyone freaked out so i'm happy for those people you know here's the thing darin here's what's hilarious about your statement you love zelda games right okami is a zelda game it literally is a zelda game played yeah but i i don't know i was i kind of hoping we could talk about this on a later podcast but my opinions on past zelda games have changed in the past couple years my enjoyment levels is it just the past year because the breath of the wild or is it before is it free your feelings predate it was a it was pre breath of the wild but i feel like we gotta stop this we're having a zelda conversation right now i have you here right now stop we'll come back to the direct oh no man i need to like write down my line like talking points and okay so darin so guys are you gonna understand why we're stopping this right now darin and i both came we both came from zelda and former i've been running running zelda since like i was 12 uh i was under the chief he took over as editor in chief uh our background even eric background all our background but anything to do with this online stuff talking about nintendo is zelda zelda zelda zelda zelda and like uh you won't find probably bigger zelda fans in the world besides me but apparently darin's fallen off i said besides no i'm still zelda is still but like it's still zelda might still be yeah no no i'm not saying that you hate zelda and suddenly what i'm saying is i viewed you as like the upper echelon of like zelda is the greatest thing ever alive and like up there with me i thought you were one of one of the fanboys basically one of i i'm admittedly if i'm a fanboy for anything in zelda um but what happened all right what's changed well i you know i've always had a problem getting through zelda games that means a lot of people do but it has a lot to do with the dungeons i've kind of figured it out i hate dungeons absolutely hate them so tedious so overwhelming it's not even the difficulty that much i mean i'm not a fan of puzzle games in general but i can still get through them but it just takes me forever and even if it is you know a short dungeon it's just so tedious that's why breath of the wild shrines amazing even if they were really hard shrines they took like 15 minutes tops they were they were great i hate you there's something trying to take me like an hour because i couldn't figure out the puzzle yeah i eventually got you know i'm not even talking about a whole water temple socked or you know famous zelda dungeons that are awful i'm just talking about your average dungeon like the the forest temple i believe it's called i can't even remember it in the ocarina of time yeah that was one of them um going through that so tedious backtracking places getting keys getting this flipping this lever shooting this switch it's tedious and when i look at zelda that's basically 75 percent of the gameplay basically 75 percent of the gameplay is dungeons and if i don't like dungeons i dislike 75 percent of ocarina of times gameplay majora's masks gameplay scoured swords gameplay whereas breath of the wild it's dungeons are a small portion of that game depending on how you play okay it's interesting especially the way i play yeah yeah it's depending on how you play it's interesting that you let majora's mask in there because depending on how you play the dungeons are the least played thing in the game you can spend a lot of time in the world in the side so it depends on the game it really depends on the game but i mean you just hate them you know yeah i just hate dungeons i think you hate tea in breath of the wild i mean i i i'm gonna say this right now i used a guide to get through the divine beasts should i i mean did i have to no but i'm like these are cool i really like the atmosphere but i do not want to just figure out how to get through this so i use the easiest ones in the game they're the easiest ones in the zelda series besides i think the great daeku tree they are they are they're the easiest ones but i really didn't care i really didn't want to put my brain power into this i just wanted to get through it so i could fight the boss sure and get back out into the world and start doing things that i like again so okay all right i i get it i mean i can't make you like dungeons obviously um but you're wrong no no no no i'm kidding i'm kidding i plays all the for exploration right that's a big thing for me that's why i like my favorite my favorite zelda games are zelda ones zelda two uh and people will say oh are there times like no no breath of the wild and then after that it gets a little muddle um only between worlds up there and like awakening is up there because of the world uh majority of mass is up there because i endured myself to the world and the characters uh other reasons that i like the game because none of the other games basically there's three games i consider truly truly to be open world that being zelda ones zelda two and uh and breath of the wild now some people are going to call save blasphemy what about the link to the past and the link between worlds which is built in the same concept i understand that those are open world as well from the top down perspective it's just after you have done that been there done that then also end up playing breath of the wild it just seems so miniscule in comparison it just doesn't do it for me anymore like it used to breath of the wild made them into the past and into the world the the aspects of open world for them not matter anymore to me because the great plateau is bigger than both of those games put together i mean it's just the reality so um i should say it's just reality because it probably like if anyone's gonna do the math on it it's probably bigger than the great plateau yeah whatever it doesn't feel bigger than the great plateau um so i'm not going to say like you need to like zelda dungeons it's just really weird um like tell me what like what about breath of the wild makes you enjoy it as much as you do well number one exploration uh i just loved going through i mean have my greatest enjoyment what are my greatest enjoyment out of that game was going around to the towers and activating the towers and exploring the paths to get to them and looking around and seeing all everything else i could explore and you know marking beacons where other towers were and you know places to explore caves camps what have you towns sure so exploration definitely combat love to the combat i mean taking down linals is one of my favorite post game pastimes uh you know just going in there even with your op 180 hours into the game gear still can be a challenge depending on how often you do it sure um especially with the new golden linals yep but uh so combat exploration um and number three which is something i actually adore about every zelda game is atmosphere uh the atmosphere being the visuals the music which i think is the best very very unpopular opinion here best music out of any zelda game uh just because i like the simplistic style um it draws from animal crossing a which is another franchise i like adore the music in that game but it the fact that i play old zelda games like ocarina time and remember them fondly even though i played them suffering through the dungeons that i hated that's something to say about the atmosphere of zelda games not just breath of the wild which has an amazing atmosphere for a game but it's the atmosphere that keeps me coming back in the exploration because you know i look back and i say oh man i remember when i played uh you know ocarina time or skyward sword and i just love the atmosphere and the music and it was also great and you know exploring all the different areas and seeing what themes they have and all that then i got to the dungeons and i'm like and then i get to the dungeons and i'm like well this dungeon theme is kind of cool but now i gotta spend a half hour of my life it stressed out trying to pull my hair out because i just want to get to the end of this dungeon so i can fight the boss because that's fun and then getting back out into the world to hear what i have to do next and meet new characters and just explore a new you know town and with breath of the wild that was basically all of what i liked about zelda but expounded on 1000 percent exploring is a huge chunk of that game there are more npcs in that game than you know any other zelda game i if i'm you know i believe it felt like a living breathing realistic world felt like a living breathing breathing realistic world better atmosphere than any zelda game any game i've ever played breath of the wild is my favorite game of all time and if a new zelda comes out that's basically just like ocarina of time has traditional dungeons traditional zelda this traditional zelda that you better believe i'm gonna buy that and i'm gonna play the crap out but i'm not gonna like the dungeons oh jeez man hater i'll tell you what though i like between worlds i did like some of the dungeons in a link between worlds but they were they were really easy and you know so i i could get through this pretty quickly but i don't know oh man oh man you just broke so many zelda fans hearts i know i'm i'm being screened right now breath of the wild is that the dungeons suck um and now congratulations you just lost me a couple hundred subs it's um it's fine like i understand your your feelings um because i feel a lot of the same way except i actually like the dungeons because uh when the dungeons are done well and i'm not saying every dungeon is done well but when they're done well they are also very encouraging of exploration now you are limited in your exploration um maybe you're limited to a room as you're solving a puzzle uh maybe you're limited to a certain area obviously you can't like like get a giant vision of the whole world you know look at like in breath of the wild um but when done well i feel like there's a lot of very good exploration in the dungeons now obviously an issue for you is the tedium of especially like the classic zelda step on a switch shoot the eye push the block like the light the arrow um or like the torch i guess it like these are all classic elements that basically exist in every zelda dungeon ever it even happens in breath of the wild for certain parts of it um and i think it just sounds tedious and i admit i i feel that tedium at times uh because i'm not gonna say i've never played as zelda dungeon and not been bored i've been bored um i don't know i i guess i just don't i i i can't see the way that you see it just because like when you started talking about you know about the about the hitting the switches and hitting the eyes and doing this and like all this tedious the backtracking i kept thinking buddy loves high rewarders which is nothing but tedium but that's the thing is it's not tedium for me high rewarders because it's basically constant action but it's basically just mow down these enemies oh your teammates in trouble go mow down those enemies capture this keep capture this keep that's the that's thyroid is the game repeat three hundred dollars which i'm a sucker for well that's that's why i think it was really weird like you like you're coming over the tedium stuff that i'm like but he loves the most tedious zelda game ever made exactly that's a common complaint people have about higher rewards oh it's so tedious well that's what that's what warrior games are yeah warrior games are tedious that's just what they are that that's like that the thing is is like the fact that you love it brings out the appeal of the warriors franchise why it has lasted as long as it has is there are people that just like that tedium because the actual act of doing the tedium is just so enjoyable to them that they can hack and slash their way to victory over and over and over again because they just like the feeling of hacking and slash and the only person the only person who i know the only other zelda fan i met who shares the semi sort of same opinion that i do is some old zelda informer comment or i forget i apologize because i should remember his name it was the one with the gauron avatar and he was like goro something uh i know what you're talking about yeah and i can't remember his name and it's killing monkey yeah monkey goro okay i got you with his monkey monkey goro if you still follow us here in tenor prime i got your back bro i'll never forget i'll never forget i don't know if he's still listen to zelda dungeon stuff i don't know if he follows in tenor prime but he was cool and he's he said basically dungeons and zelda are like going to work but digging around in the overworld and exploring and side quests and stuff like that is basically just going out having fun doing it whatever you want but what if uh you enjoy your work well then i guess you are like i then you're 99 of zelda fans who are you done well i'm just sitting there i'm just like i'm like i'm literally working right now this is my job and do you like zelda dungeons don't you uh yeah i like zelda dungeons but i don't like them to the extent that a lot of other fans do as i said when they are done well i don't think zelda dungeons are generally done well 90 of the time so there's very select dungeons that i actually enjoy i'll tell you which dungeons that i did enjoy they were tedious and i hated them but i did enjoy the atmosphere in skyward swords dungeons they were very atmospheric yeah so very atmospheric very different which i appreciated it made me feel a little bit better when i was pulling my hair out trying to get through them as you enjoyed the linear gameplay with linear story stuck going in one direction constantly yeah no exploration really to speak out to be honest yeah that that was a big problem with that game but still the atmosphere i look back on skyward sword and remember it fondly because of the atmosphere i remember skyward sword fondly because even to this day best combat in the series not most difficult not most challenging not you know i love breath of the wilds combat i love the combat in zelda 2 uh you know a few other games but man those motion controls felt so good to me and you my friend that's where you were in the minority oh those motion controls i so wish that if breath of the wilds had those controls i would just it would be the perfect game the perfect game unfortunately the breath of the wild is not perfect because it does not have my motion controls even though i switch supports it even though we use supports it damn it why does someone go out the hay motion yeah even now kind of flipping this back to the direct my utenis aces announced motion controls which made a lot of sense because people remember that from playing tennis on wean everything right it's a tennis game but i thought what was really interesting about the announcement of the motion controls from my utenis aces as they specifically said if you would like to play casually motion controls so here for you okay meaning that if you actually want to be good at the game don't use motion controls that's basically what they said because me if you and i play against each other and you're playing motion controls and i'm playing standard controls i'll kick your ass not for playing splatoon though if you use most controls in splatoon you are the superior player yeah i mean i have played splatoon so gyro aiming and swinging a full club and using like an item with motion is a huge a massive difference between gyro aiming and like actually having to physically swing your arm or flick your wrist to do a motion i i understand that but it was one of those things that i i just found it hilarious that they're adding the motion controls in but they're literally saying this is just for you to like sit down with your kids and and play matches against each other if you actually want to be serious like we have this big online tournament coming up for it if you want to be serious like don't use the motion controls because you're gonna get wrecked yeah i mean i mean shooters shooters are an exception because i mean i prefer those with a mouse and mouse versus thumb stick motion controls are more closer to mouse controls than thumb stick controls motion controls like that in between yeah not quite as good as the mouse but way the hell closer to it than twin sticks are um some people would even argue if you want to get really elitist about it track thumb track balls are actually the best like like the best players in the world use thumb track balls but um those are this is so hard to keep doing you're used to normal mouse the thing is they existed when i was younger too and i never used that i remember having a mouse with one on but this is weird this is weird yeah i need to honey honey my old my old actual ball mouse back please but before the laser mouse came into play um okay so yeah mario tennis aces uh this is right around that topic um what do you guys thoughts on mario tennis aces now that we know we at least know how everything controls and we know a bunch of characters in it i'm probably gonna pick it up just because a full disclosure i've never played a mario tennis game in my life i played we tennis and it was great but i'm definitely gonna pick it up play that single player campaign and see if i can get some people over whether it's family or friends to play multiplayer because tennis and multiplayer on a game console equals major fun yeah but you know the single player does intrigue me so i'm definitely going to be picking that up yeah especially because i'm not going to be playing anything else on my switch at the time my man oh yeah just beating that into a head there is nothing for me to play the switch has now time this is a great it's a port machine great time to release port machine port machine it is a port machine right now and i mean i love the but yeah new games would be nice but i'm not one of those people that's just oh switch is just a port machine right now has no games whatsoever if you're if you haven't bought a switch yet there are plenty of games to play and even if you'd have owned a switch since day one your tastes are probably a lot different than mine you're probably playing all these indie games all of these obscure games or what have you or you're actually buying all the triple a games that release on the platform yeah i mean i i buy a lot of them i mean obviously if it sucks we use the multiplayer you can't really do a lot of times so that's what does like that that kicks arms out of the door the kicks between two out of the door that cake i mean even if you enjoy the single player doom the multiplayer is fantastic and that's out the door yeah and i mean i played this single player doom and i thought it was great and i'm kind of sad it's really good every play the multiplayer and if i had good internet you better believe that i hop on splatoon two hey day two just came out another old port plays really really well it's a lot of fun again multiplayer yeah and i and i played arms the test punch like i said and i absolutely loved the gameplay but i really can't play it i honestly think if you had good internet arms feels like the game that darin might have ended up putting more hours into than anything else if you could probably especially with how consistently it's been supported i honestly i think splatoon two might have been another one of those games for you as well oh definitely i mean i i love shooter and it has single player it's not like you can't play single player but you know it's a little short yeah once you're done with that it's like okay now i want to do the actual really really fun stuff yeah i wouldn't buy a shooter game for the single player campaign i'm not brandon jones what's wrong with you what do you mean what's wrong with me because everyone knows the multiplayer what really counts in a shooter the single player campaign is like yeah okay but now i want to play multiplayer and you and if you can't then that sucks i don't i i can't believe you're saying that darin i can't believe you're saying that because you are in a completely different generation of people than i am yeah um when i grew up all shooters single player campaigns what's all about all the players just a bonus even in games like age of empires multiplayer is just a bonus baby the single player campaigns are what it's all about so like when they started getting rid of single player campaigns it actually pissed me off because that is why i played the shooters if i feel like hopping in a multiplayer match i will but like gold and i fantastic multiplayer back in the n64 single player was amazing yes yes it was absolutely amazing uh even in splatoon one i'm gonna reference between one specifically because i didn't actually beat the single player split into um splatoon one single player utterly fantastic the final boss in splatoon one insane the bosses you fight along the way insane everything's extremely clever you find out about this post apocalyptic world all this stuff is going crazy the story just like just bashing you with these waves of story like what the hell is going on when they advertise this game moves are you a kid or are you a squid go shoot people and collect paint and and and yeah yeah like shirt go turf war not that's what that's all advertised as then you get into single player like this is amazing they nintendo rememble nintendo knows what single player games because they're like one of the few companies still make them um and even like as an example i'll give i'll give you an example company that only seems to make single player shooter games but that's though both of them new classes that's a single player game there's no multiplayer doom has some multiplayer but the single player campaign is massive yeah but they're developed as single player games first you can't tell me that call of duty black ops 4 is being developed as a single player game first not necessarily obviously we none of us know i assume no because obviously multiplayer is why it's right right but oh even since modern warfare came out there have been some call of duty games that have had very good single player campaigns very good i mean they're they're hiring Hollywood actors for this stuff they are heavily committed to single player campaigns again and if you play them they are damn good i'm not saying that's why you buy but if you do you won't be disappointed so again you might not buy a call of duty game for that a lot of people don't buy a call of duty game for that with my dad bought call of duty that's what he's buying it for as a single player he doesn't play multiplayer give a crap about that he bought call of duty world war two all he's done is play the campaign he doesn't care about playing against other players he wants to go out there hear the story about the nazis and kill them yeah um so that's kind of the thing like and again my dad comes from a different era even a different era than me and he kind of raised me in the whole like single player games are important they matter it's experience you have with just yourself is important hashtag safe player one well the thing is like multiplayer it is blown up so big largely at the end of the internet and then opposite social media we're always trying to connect with people all the time um and inherently i think a lot of gamers that only play multiplayer games don't know what it's like to turn off the internet and just be within themselves yeah and i mean the majority of games i've played are single player games well you also don't have a choice not by choice but still if i did have a choice i would still keep on playing single player games as much as i do now but the game that i have sunk the most in two yeah is a multiplayer game which is team fortress two over i don't even know how many hours into steam when i had semi not really good but could still play multiplayer gaming sometimes internet yep no i i i totally too way more than i've played any single player game i totally hear you i have played world of warcraft more than i have played any game ever in my life i don't think i'll ever play another game as much as i play world of warcraft i still play world of warcraft don't play it as often like i used to play you know many times a week now it's like once every other week but i still play that game i will never play another game as much i i literally look at my gameplay down there it has years of my life spent playing that game according to the hours played so i will never play another game like that again i'll never invest in mmo i say that then there was a zelda mmo and i'm just like oh god damn well they'd tend to would screw that up they just they just were the warcraft well there goes the next 10 years i loved warcraft so much that i'm like i gotta i gotta get well the work i'm like oh my god this is amazing yeah um because i tried like runescape another mmo's but then ever quest it just really wasn't for me i wasn't that good but the polish and just it was just so good at the gate um anyways so yeah i get that i understand the appeal multiplayer games obviously i play a lot of i put a lot of idreplayers online back in the day i played you know some of my finest gaming memories are even multiplayer mario kart and golden eye and and smash and all this stuff um you know one of my top plate games on switch is you know splatoon 2 for multiplayer but then my next top plate games are like zelda and single player experience mario single player experience um even though they have the weegee thing now it adds a little bit of a flavor to it um still playing by herself just now you semi-interrupted other people uh and then they added uh let me see like even an mba2k18 i've played against the people online i have spent a lot of time playing between me and eric but i've also spent a lot of time just playing by myself um so that's like it kind of brings up an interesting point because you look at like at this mario tennis uh ace's game they are clearly pushing some multiplayer with it because they are introducing it to the world where everyone gets to try it first through a massive online tournament they also said that like you can go make your own online tournaments and you best stand believe here in center prime we're gonna be making some mario tennis ace's tournaments and i might even offer some some prizes whether e-shop cards or something um because tournaments are my jam and like this is what what i missed in mario kart 8 is that you could do like this online thing but it's not really a tournament right it's just you set aside a lot of races everyone does it whoever is the top score is the top score whereas like a tournament you're talking about like advancing rounds yep um and i know it's easier to do in one on one but you can still do that in racing games you know you can still have that happen in racing games so um i'm really excited about the tournament mode just like i am for smash bros as well you guys know if they have smash tournaments online we'll be doing that as well i'm gonna lose i know i'm gonna lose hopefully they have a spectator mode it's all about the game keep controller oh my god oh my god nintendo please do not bring back the gamecube controller for the smash game oh please no oh yeah no please because force everyone who you don't use the gamecube controller then you suck no just leave it let the gamecube controller die on we you please i hope they should have let it die on gamecube i'm i'm sorry to everyone who loves that controller it's time to let go okay it's been well over 20 years since gamecube came out we've had multiple generations of systems it's time i'm not saying it's a bad controller i understand is the last time nintendo did analog sticks like analog triggers and stuff none of that matters in smash time to dump it be done matters in melee that's great we're not talking about melee hd here we're talking about smash a brand new smash game or potential we you 3ds port game either way you don't really have any competitive advantage with game controller over standard controllers especially if you're using a wired standard controller now here's the thing you might or yes i do you only do because you're used to it right get rid of the controller get used to the new controllers that literally every other fighting game in the world uses a similar setup and they get good with it too granted i understand there's fight sticks stuff like that that's cool they want to release the fight stick for the game i'm fine with that no more gamecube controllers die in a fire i open to gain a worms anyways um good job good job but yeah i'm really except for my attendant aces i wish they would tell us more about the story that was definitely my favorite game on that i thought they might have given too much information at first i was getting a little little long in the tooth like when they did zeno blade but then yeah but then they kind of like raining and i'm like you know what the reason they're doing it it doesn't sound complicated but it feels complicated because of how simple it's been in the past um and i'm kind of glad they went through the detail that they did but it didn't overwhelm you with it because they kind of re-explained it a few times instead of just like here's a bazillion like i'm almost glad they didn't show single player because they gave us so much information on just the gameplay the difference for me is this felt well paced yo sure whereas the what was it zeno blade yeah that felt so crammed so rushed so and over such a long period of time sure this one felt really well paced that's the difference for me all right uh no obviously another game uh it was on the last e3 coming to switch now sushi striker the way of sushi do guys got any thoughts on that crazy looking sushi game yeah it did look nuts it just looks nuts it looks like it'd be fun i don't know if i like i could see someone just picking up this game spending hundreds of hours on it just because it's just crazy just like people do with overcooked it's just crazy fun um probably won't pick it up unless i get a review code or something it looks stupid looks stupid oh man ouch ouch it's a weird game it's a weird game yeah i don't know that it's gonna have a huge audience you're probably why it hasn't come out yet in the 3ds i still like the other part of it you know the eat eat throw sushi that that seems like a way better title um we talked about a little bit about before octopad travelers yep um eric got any thoughts on it looks amazing looks amazing yeah looks amazing is it your kind of game i mean it reminds you of the old school rpgs yeah with a new perspective right and it's voice acting fully voice acted yeah it looks amazing hey nintendo if this game can be fully voice acted can we get zelda please um please i'm sorry if square can do it with this game they can do it with zelda come on i know you you were scared to dabble you dabbled generally what's the success let's see the dabbling trying to do full of long voice acting please um does me and link have to talk no just saying all right uh yeah odds about travel looks great yeah the new characters they unveiled look fantastic apothecary and uh uh merchant i believe yes merchant um another female another male uh there's a well octopath there's eight characters total so now it's half of them unveiled we'll probably have all of them unveiled before i because it's not knowing what the characters are it's experiencing their stories that matter and they didn't really tell us much about their stories which is good that's fine i'm cool with that right um we already have two characters that we know a little bit about just because we have a demo um the demo is fantastic i understand this isn't going to be for everyone some people are kind of overturned based like when i was streaming it a lot of people said man it's turn based combat and i'm like i love turn based combat so i'm totally all up in that if done well if done well and i feel like this one was done well it took me a little bit to learn a few things with the moves because it didn't really explain it that well and i always hate when a game does that and this is what makes me to test pokemon a little bit is that it doesn't do well with tutorials but um or i was able to figure it out uh and maybe it's just because i was having so much fun i forced myself to figure it out i got one why i kept dying this one boss and then i figured it out oh i might have been using these moves remotely correctly yeah i could do this and then i'm like holy crap maybe it told me this is the one point i skipped over it because i'm so used to skipping sometimes you know i don't know i guess i'll find out when the full game comes out um any you got any thoughts on archipelago there um i mean i played the demo and like i said the visuals are great um i'm just not a jrpg fan not a turn based combat fan yeah it's a it's a it's an old school not a random encounter fan at all i can i can deal with turn based and turn based combat i love pokemon i'll tolerate it there but random encounters even though i didn't tolerate it in pokemon yeah i'm gonna be like that's pokemon the game in other games i don't know is it turn based even undertale that's undertale too turn based combat encounters what about this game starting off from it then i don't know i mean undertale and pokemon i tolerate it but this game it just felt like again it feels it feels like a traditional jrpg and i think that's why pokemon doesn't feel traditional and i don't like that and i know a lot of people do i know a lot of people like that i get to you jrpg fan it's a game that i'm gonna watch honestly yeah i think for you because we just had this long talk about zelda and atmosphere i think it's just atmosphere when you turn on this game it feels like one of those old final fantasy games in synapse yep and if that you weren't into it then you ain't gonna be into it now well i mean and then also i think i don't know what the music is in in um octopath but it's good like uh no no i meant like for like during battles and stuff like that but undertale and pokemon have some pretty decent especially undertale undertale is pretty epic music during battles i get sick of the pokemon music because right zillion battles the same music yeah yeah i mean but it but it is a it is a it is a it is a it is good gets you hyped yeah the first time right well yes i'm like that with it it's not i'm not just putting on point one of this right all all all all games that have combat music that never changes and always the same i'm like dude that isn't that a remnant of the 90s have we moved past like when i get in combat and breath of the wild i don't have a specific type of music that plays every time mm-hmm like why i don't need to be told i'm in combat i'm aware i'm in combat play me some cool music that you do it yes you do you have a music that plays him not really well yes you do not really there's like that little like piano music starts going when like a bocoblin comes up it plays music and then it changes if there's a garden nearby you know you got that sick piano solo dude it's sure yeah the guardian one specifically that one doesn't it's a little bit more subtle sure there's a that it's that's the difference it's not in your face like even then i just don't like combat music right i really i really am that's everywhere in breath of the wild when a bocoblin comes up it's like but i kill them so fast that's true like seriously i i plan my setup i hit my attack like like the thing is i initiate the attack and then in the roll that yeah so i don't have to listen to it i hear it with guardians because i do have to listen to it for a little bit yeah uh here liners of course but i don't know maybe it's because it maybe it's because it's live action yeah so you're so engaged in the actual combat i'm not really not focused on the music i'm not listening yeah when you're in a turn based situation yeah of course you hear it yeah every time you don't select the move it's blasting you i mean in breath of the wild for me it did get a little repetitive not to the plant room it's overly annoying but in pokemon definitely when you hear that battle theme for like the 78th time it's like okay but can we not well that's the way i get with any turn based that has the battle combat it's like right like can we at least get it like changing up per enemy type or something yeah yeah um i don't know i know it's a minor complaint because games have been doing it forever but i always felt like that was one thing we need to i'm fine with their being combat music but why do we not have more variety in it by now in 2018 you know it feels like we've hit that point where why are we not expanding the tracks we expand it for sometimes there'll be different sounding footsteps so why can't we have different sounding combat music anyways they hate you remember all the all the emphasis ej and all will put on the sound of the hooves when you're working on a horse that you barely ever use in the game anyways great because you're it's easier just to traverse on foot half the time well guess what maybe instead of putting all the stuff in that they should have worked on more combat yeah i'm not gonna ride around this mountain i'm just gonna go straight over top of what what you said they should have worked on what you cut out more combat music oh yeah oh combat music yeah maybe instead of the hooves like i get it they're proud of the sound of the hooves and i get that that's a really good thing to be proud of because i mean oh it is epic yeah your attention to details and trying to make this feel and sound realistic i love it i love it but it's like but you couldn't vary the combat music no come on come on and this does me complain about this a while because now that you mentioned the guardian i do remember i keep getting annoyed every time with the guardian it's like okay i don't know i don't like the music i just got annoyed because there's a giant laser beam pointing at my head i got it i'm in combat yeah running away so uh let's probably touch on this because i know there's some people that are really high port travis strikes again no more heroes now i'm sure eric's never played no more heroes gaming energy nope i mean this is we are stuff right here um darin have you ever played no more heroes nope okay didn't even know about it until the switch announcement yeah so travis strikes again uh it was pretty it was basically an indie game way back when when it was uh no more heroes no more heroes 2 etc i've heard of no more heroes but um if i had someone who would play through the whole game with me i would get it but it doesn't look like a game that i would sit down and what's the weird thing no more heroes has always been a single player focus so the fact that they have a huge focus then again it's a very different no more heroes game the attitude of travis dustjohn doesn't look like it's changed at all which is good because his attitude is uh very interesting i'll just put it that way i don't want to spoil it too much um if you guys have ever played it you know what it's all about but uh it's a very different game it's got some of his classic moves but it's got like this this way it zoomed out perspective versus like in the past it was more almost first person um kind of combat uh lightsaber duels and i don't say duels but that's what it felt like was duels um and this is very not like that at all maybe the boss fights are like that i don't know but like the basic combat like because you're going through seven very differently themed indie style uh things from racing somehow racing's part of it uh i don't know they went through a whole bunch of them in the recent trailer uh i gotta say that i'm just no more heroes can get away with it of course they can um because it's a smaller team and they just do whatever the heck they want and that's kind of the way that that's travis dustjohn's like personality i do what i want yeah so this is what they want to do so this is what's going to happen and like it or hate it this is i mean they're making it co-op so i'm sure if i pick it up erik's gonna we're gonna sit in the stream sometime and he's gonna play through with me um probably remind us of the old school co-op games back in the day arcade style can we get another time splitters oh i miss time splitters um so i guess we'll leave it at that because i'm the only one that can really talk about it yeah um what do you guys feel about what they announced dark souls i mean the only interesting thing that i took away with this announcement is the fact that there's going to be a network test demo so i mean i've never played a dark souls game so i'm gonna try this up yeah and i'll be able to play the demo so i mean that's pretty a lot of people won't get the amiibo i have never played dark souls but from what people who have played it told me they said dark souls is what zelda could have become if after zelda 2 they would have still favored difficulty over whatever zelda ended up becoming obviously right yeah um because the amiibo is like okay dark souls apparently has exploration combat was always super difficult in zelda the first two games and then like no now combat's easy and we're gonna focus on world i guess exploration i don't know um dungeon and sake dungeons so i know so i've never played dark souls i've never played blood born which is also made by the same people uh so i'm probably gonna end up picking it well i'm gonna try it hope i enjoy it if i enjoy it i'll pick it up it's gonna be hell if people want me the thing is people make it sound like it's like the hardest game ever and i'm sorry i grew up in the nes days let me tell you something about difficult right classically trained i guarantee you that this might be difficult by today's standards or a decade ago standards yeah a decade ago standards games were a joke difficulty wise yeah i'm not saying that i don't struggle i mean you're talking to someone here i've never beat a gold lionel i've never beat a lionel straight up without using a damn arrow so i suck at breath of the wild is basically what i'm saying i'm actually really played this and get his ass kicked on stream i know i'm gonna get my ass kicked i'm going to but here's the thing that's what it was on nes back in the day you would get your ass kicked over and over and have to start the game all over again yeah right but you would just get your ass kicked it forced you to get good yeah whereas in breath of the wild you can just avoid all the difficult stuff yeah it's all optional you got to do it yeah and dark souls you can't oh you have to defeat one line you don't have to play if you want to play through the main campaign you got to beat that one lionel which one uh the i'd never be a single lionel when i beat the story are you sure yeah because i'm pretty sure you have to defeat one for one something i don't know it's in the the rito or nope the zora nope you just need 10 shock arrows the zora king really yep you get you get literally they tell you there's a they don't have to take beat them yeah no you just go up there and you grab the arrows and run yeah i guess i just went above and beyond that yeah oh oh dare and get cocky over there yes you're better at breath of the wild than me darin all right yes i don't care about being the best at breath of the wild i love breath of the wild the way that i love it and that's the way it is and how am i better at breath of the wild than you you have how many hours in 155 155 i have 80 so yeah it's not about hours have you beat the dlc yeah okay so that so we're basically equal you have more practice though not really i spend most of my time just running around yeah no you literally just said oh i guess i i guess i just you know did whatever i like you're talking about beating lionels and all the stuff and i'm like dude i just i don't i avoid combat in breath of the wild i literally like you only do it i only do combat when i have to like did you beat the the master trials i got to the very last floor and said you know what screw this i never even i never even got through the first section to unlock the next one okay i uh have you played any a master mode i actually haven't that's something i haven't waited for that again that's why i have more hours because the master mode i i master mode i probably got like 70 hours just looking for coraxies yeah i'm waiting i'm waiting until i start on my uh second playthrough for master mode yeah so um yeah so no you've probably done way more in breath of the wild than i have because of how we played that that's the beauty of breath of the wild yeah i could have 300 hours played and in 100 you might have actually seen and done more yeah because i am choosing to do something different like coraxies hunting which is very very tedious something i'm trying to i maybe be 30 okay i've done all 120 and that's the thing you just said coraxied hunting was tedious that's why i don't do it i want the golden poop because it reminds me of dungeons tedious here's the thing here's the thing my master mode run is my 100 run when i finally 100 percent the game in master mode i am done with breath of the wild i will never touch it again guarantee don't say that no i'm guaranteeing i will never touch it again because this is what happens with being games you know i won't set this one down when it comes to me in games i get to a point where i am completely satisfied i don't feel like when i hit that point i need to replay anymore um the only reason that i even might one day replay secret amana is because i have never beaten the final boss and i need to do it before i die i need to go start to finish and beat that final boss so that is motivation for me to play it again but i have played so much of secret amana so many times up to the final boss that i just haven't felt the need to have to pick up the game and play it that's me and bowser's inside story but that's me that's me with every game like odyssey right now years ago and i didn't beat the like odyssey right now i'm doing like this 100% run of odyssey trying to collect all 9999 moons i'm not going to collect all 999 i'm going to collect 400 500 600 i'm going to hit a point where i'm just satisfied and then that's it i'm not going to collect all the moons you know why because it's tedious i know what i'm saying i'm going to hit that point where i'm satisfied i've experienced all the content i feel like i want to experience um as an example in going to get all the moons i didn't realize that in mushroom kingdom there's extra boss fights i didn't had no idea no idea i would have never known that if i wasn't moon hunting um so like that's the kind of stuff i'm like all these additional moons are unlucky and are showing me all this additional content so i'm going to hit that point where eventually i'm like okay i've seen all the content i'm good um that that's just the way it's going to feel for me eventually and then on top of all that uh breath of the wild the only reason is different and why i'm willing to go through the tedium is because i don't 100 games often i will start up with my goal to do it but i always get that satisfaction point where i'm like you know what i'm good um breath of the wild is a little different because one i enjoy it so much two i haven't hit that point yet and three i always i felt this way a secret of mine as well which is why i feel bad talking about this is it is my favorite game of all time there is not a single game even remotely close and that feels we're saying a secret of mine was my number one game for so long and as my favorite game of all time and nothing even close i feel like it's like this life mission that i need to 100 this game one time in my life it just needs to happen and if i'm going to do it i'm going to do it on the hardest mode in the game and yes that means yes folks for me to 100 the game i personally even though the game doesn't have achievements for include at least beating every enemy one time now the thing is i'm going to face gold liners in the master trials anyways so i'm good i'm gonna have to beat every single enemy in the game anyways because they all appear in the master trials from whatever so whatever but it's just that thing where i feel like for my own personal achievement tedium or not i need to do it i just it's the only game i've ever felt that i need to do it um so i'm going to am i i'm not rushing it i'm letting breath of the wild last for years and i'm okay with that because it is my favorite game of all time but i know once i finally reach that point where i've every core exceed every shrine done every area of the map explored um you know all of the the master trial done all the dlc done uh you recorded some cool trick videos with the master cycle or whatever how many ways you can kill ink like i'll probably just like like i still haven't done the you know how you can like that one side quest where you could jump off the tower and you're supposed to see how far you can go and you can like shoot fire arrows at the ground to keep yourself going the longer and longer longer i haven't really done very well on that yet so i want to get good and just get a one really far distance on that and be good all the stuff i want to do is all part of me 100 in the game in my opinion once i hit that point there will be nothing left that i feel i need to do anymore so while i still always love playing the game if someone mms someone's house and they're struggling i'm going to be like hey my controller but i personally am not going to feel the need to ever boot up that file again i'm not going to want to get rid of the file if i need to record gameplay for fine purposes i will i will go back in and do that if i need to but outside of that i'm not i'm not i'm not i will never feel that urge say 15 years from now you know what i gotta do with that game up and play it again because that's not how i am with games i hit i always hit an eventual finish point hopefully that finish point is at least beating the story but that's not always the case with some games um you know i hit that finish point golden i when i you know multiplayer wise you never hit that point but i'm single player wise i hit that point when i beat the most difficult stuff did that done i don't feel i need to do it anymore for some people that's the case like with dark souls i'm probably not going to feel the need to have to do everything i will just be happy beating the game and then i probably will never pick it up again that's why like a lot of these remastered re-releases and all this stuff like these ports for for switch that we got announced today it's like i don't care because i already got my full satisfaction out of that game uh a sequel sure like if treasure tracker was a sequel i'd be all up in that what i am fully satisfied with the amount of time i put in treasure tracker already fully satisfied with my experience with it don't really i and a lot of games breath of the wild is a little different um but in a lot of games my best time playing the game is the first time replaying the game can be fun but that first time experience can never be met again so i usually add that one save file i get to a satisfaction point and i'm good so when i reboot it up i know everything's gonna happen before it happens and it's just not as fun for me anymore the multiplayer games are obviously different but yeah that's just the way i'm gaming in general it's like a lot of my switch games um i'm practically done with that that i've you know like uh i reached that point a little bit with mario plus rabbits kingdom metal now i do want to beat the dlc so i am eventually once i'm off the kick of the current games i'm going to go back and beat the dlc and then i'll be satisfied i didn't i didn't complete everything i couldn't i didn't unlock everything i couldn't that game but i'm satisfied with where i'm at i'm satisfied with with it to a point that i don't feel the urge to play and some might say you know what what kind of gamer does that make me i have no idea one that plays a shitload of games instead of replaying five of them over and over again in my life yeah i play i play a shitload of games and i beat a shitload of games especially on switch i play a lot more games on switch now than i've ever done in probably the last 10 years of my life not just because i love switch so much and it makes it convenient but because there's a lot of games i want to play and i'm reached satisfaction points and sometimes the satisfaction point isn't beating the game um and i pardon me it's disappointed when that happens like if i get the travis touchdown game and i don't beat it i'll be a little disappointed i mean like fight i'm a warrior as an example who did it up had a good time but i'm probably never going to beat it and i know that um and i'm a little disappointed in myself that i'm not going to do it but as i told told people who kind of said at me that i'm not going to do that same with zenoblade 2 probably is i only live once and i can't help that i'm enjoying other games more so that's just that's kind of what it is like will i eventually get back to it maybe if i ever reach a point that every single game that i own i'm satisfied with then i might go back to those games and try to reach that satisfaction level with them but for now yeah 15 hours in zenoblade 2 i am currently satisfied with zenoblade 2 i don't feel like i need to play more of it i don't have that drive to want to now because i'm not enjoying it but because there's other games i'd rather play um that's just the way i am with games in general and maybe i'll end up having to split this whole part out separate to do a whole video on it but it's just i don't know that might sound foreign to darin over there he's probably like today how do you i replay games all the time and give you a prime example i bought age of empires hd or remastered or definitive edition or whatever it is they just released it on the windows store like a few weeks ago uh 20 bucks or picked it up love it i love it is fantastic the only reason i still play it once in a while is the multiplayer i wouldn't play some of the single pilot campaigns so i'm like oh i'm gonna relive those campaigns again and i'm like i've been here i've done this i don't know what happens i know how to beat it i don't really i i didn't i'm not gonna say i didn't enjoy it or that's worse than what i remember it's that i'm still satisfied with it mm-hmm same with true with age my prayers to hd when that came out got that i'm still satisfied with all my campaigns so i don't feel the need to have to do it anymore not the multiplayer i miss that multiplayer and it is fun as hell still but again multiplayer is a totally different thing because it's a new is a newish experience every time um not every game goes the same and every game goes the same even gets even if eric and i were planning to show them not every match would go the same right one game you might be more defensive one game i might focus on you know resource gathering another game i focus on just to destroy each other right you know as fast as possible and the game quick you know how long do we want to play for blah blah blah right uh there's so many different factors and that's that's the same way i'm just with gaming on the whole you know it's i am someone that could actually be satisfied with the game and not need to replay it and that doesn't mean the games aren't fantastic it's just like Super Mario 64 is one of those games a lot of people love replaying it i'm like dude i have put in i i probably 500 hours in the game when i was a kid i got it again on ds never beat it on ds i didn't feel like i needed to i played it for a little longer i get okay cool it's a game i've already played yep let's move on to something new i am the type of person that ports really shouldn't be for yeah the only reason that i'm excited about some ports like the fracture but holes because i never played them yeah so there's still quote a good new games for me right but um that's why i like treasure tracker the only reason i'm considering picking it up is the odyssey levels because now um it's always gonna bug me that even though i beat that game there's still content there's this new content on it that deals with one of my favorite Mario games that i haven't touched yeah that isn't worth 60 bucks or whatever they're gonna charge for me to go through all the bullshit it's going to take that i've already done to get to it and i think it's not that i don't enjoy it's just i'm never going to enjoy it as much as that first time through because i now know how to solve all those stages so it's still fun but and this is where like there are games that are exceptions to this rule this is why i like Kirby so much there's an exception Kirby because there's no challenge or very little challenge uh because it's just about pure unadulterated fun which is probably why daren enjoys horror lawyers it doesn't matter how many times i play it it's just fun every time and that's the way multiplayer games really are for a lot of people it's just fun every time um so that's just kind of the way i am i don't know you i mean why do you daren let me ask you why do you replay i don't to be honest with you uh i mean there's one reason why we games one reason alone well there's two reasons number one is because i didn't beat it the first time and i want to go back and be if i beat a game probably not gonna go back and replay i beat ocarina of time and i want to go back and replay it not really i will play ocarina uh there i'll give one exception i will replay a game for my childhood um like an ocarina of time if it comes out in like an hd form because part of me is always gonna want to be like you know what i actually want to go back to my old memories see what that looks like an hd okay yeah that if it was a completely you know because like i had the 3d i had the you know obviously i got another you know 3ds and major is masking the only reason i beat those games the 3ds is because i worked as a informer otherwise i would have never beat them i would have owned them because i would have wanted to see the visual upgrade but after a while i'm like okay it's still the same game i'm good but i worked as a informer i felt like i should put the time in like it felt like an obligation because of my job that that's that's the only time working as a informer like really felt like a job is when i forced myself to replay games because i just don't really enjoy doing that when i've been satisfied and major is masking over your time i'm satisfied but if they're back in hd there there's a new reason for me to play that curiosity of damn how does that how does that child's memory look like so three reasons haven't beat it it's the same reason i want to play shadow of the classes right now i don't own a PlayStation 4 but i really want to get the shadow classes hd i really want to get it so bad i'm playing it for the first time in hd for the first time ever and i'm in love with it and then especially with the hdr oh some people are gonna point out what this game is don't don't you want to play secret amana the remake game i'm like no no because it looks like dog crap they've ruined the art style they've ruined it so no i don't really want to well should i probably try it out sometime and see if it's really as bad as i visually feel like it is i probably should i always say give things a fair shake but it's a secret amount i already know everything's gonna happen they didn't add new content so they added voice acting which it'll be able to take a thing for most people and then they upgraded all the visuals and i don't like the visual upgrades i feel that they should just hd the og visuals but you can do that with emulation just saying i say do it but it happens okay yeah i know go on there sorry i kept cutting you off okay uh so three reasons uh hd remake remaster what have you i guess we can lump new content into there like the bowser's inside story thing and number three is just complete nostalgia uh i'm gonna use super mario brothers on nes implode this one of the first games i played loved it have beaten it when super mario bros versus released on switch did i download that you better believe i downloaded that sitting on my switch right now i've probably played like 20 minutes of it probably sunk 20 minutes into it but i'm glad i have it because it's a trip down memory lane yeah for sure and that's i mean i really don't replay games that much anymore used to used to a lot but not anymore right right right so i guess since nate's stepped out for a second um and he said we should just go ahead and move on to uh topic two and i don't know how much we're gonna spend on this but we'll move on to top two uh apparently there's a pokemon rumor out there that uh the pokemon for switch is a reboot yeah and i mean i i really wouldn't i'm not as invested in the pokemon series to some i know they're all connected but i you know pokemon is growing into a third there's way too many e way too okay and i like pokemon i said before that turn based gaming random encounters not my thing but still i i tolerate them in pokemon because i like pokemon games but a remake wouldn't bother me because it kind of be like starting from a fresh clean slate because i feel i got into pokemon late in the game uh around when y released and i kind of felt overwhelmed because of all these mechanics and stuff that i haven't mastered yet and you know i just you know oh i thought pokemon you just caught pokemon and trained him but no i know you can breed him and yeah there's these like levels that you gotta level up and you can't see him and and berries and oh my goodness but i feel like a pokemon reboot would you know just kind of wipe the slate clean things are starting out fresh everyone's on the same level again still you know be the familiar pokemon gameplay we all know and love but you know i'm kind of picturing kind of a plane just a reintroduction of what we all love about pokemon which is collecting lovable monsters training them up and you know being the best there ever was or what have you yeah yeah for sure for sure so i mean if it is a reboot i'm kind of i'm trying to figure out whether i'm surprised or not surprised at if it if it was a reboot because on one hand it's like oh nintendo has spent so many years building this world of pokemon right exactly how would you reboot that i mean i exactly and i mean if you're rebooted is it gonna be ash and his pals again or is it yeah because that would i'm assuming they would reboot the anime as well i don't know well haven't they already rebooted the anime to be honest with you i mean the anime seems to follow the games yeah that's on one true yeah true true um so i mean if the game were rebooted then and the anime followed the game or vice versa then i guess it would be a reboot of both mm-hmm so would the anime be like oh ash and his pals are at it again in this new game that's actually a reboot of the games but not the anime that would be a little yeah it it just to me it's really interesting it'd be an interesting thing to see how they would reboot it because you already have how many pokemon out there what is just all of a sudden they don't exist anymore or is this gonna be just a like a parallel universe or uh a different completely different like not necessarily region but like a different continent where they have completely different brand new pokemon that you know they start over from one or i mean it'd be weird because i mean would you use from the last slew of pokemon games in that universe i mean you would have to use pikachu i mean the face of pokemon there was a mainline pokemon game without pikachu i think people would just ride in the streets so yeah you know are you are you gonna use pikachu and squirtle and charizard and all them it um or you is like you know maimikyu from sun and moon you're gonna put him in there like what pokemon are gonna come from the old universe and maybe new pokemon will be introduced you know right right and you know for me maybe they find another like a different type of pikachu and you know pikachu is the face of the one pokemon and then they have you know the reboot where it has a completely new face of the franchise and they kind of are coexistent and you know they each have their own thing yeah yeah i get what you mean kind of like a different aesthetic yeah but you know i mean we were talking about tying to the anime right right i would be interested to see if pokemon go would reflect any of those changes um contrary to popular belief a lot of people still play that game oh right all right right right but i i think they haven't caught up to what they have out now so right now i wouldn't see pokemon going in go going in that direction because it hasn't caught up to what's out now yeah yeah i think they're only up to like gen three yeah yeah something like that yeah i mean you know it kind of makes me wonder if pokemon the game franchise was rebooted would they keep adding old gens of the old like defunct universe i into pokemon go oh yeah yeah um yeah i mean to me i would think you would almost have to just to get i guess i would think until you got all of a pokemon in there i i i guess i don't know i mean it depends on how bit if this reboot if it is a reboot um if that does blow up i guess do you just pick a point and say i guess we're done adding this universe and we're gonna start a different or maybe they make a pokemon go to or or i mean man if they made a pokemon go to and it was it was different and you know had pokemon from the rebooted pokemon franchise right imagine if that captured the mania of the first ones release right right and then you could actually cross battle i'm just throwing it out there i don't know if you you know once they put battles in all right you could cross battle between universes and just i guess i don't know or if you want to keep them separate i mean i think if they're gonna go reboot i think you almost have to just completely make it brand new pokemon try not you know as much as i hate to say it you know you can't really you can touch on like the other pokemon games but i wouldn't include any of the other pokemon as much as that pains me to say because i do love my gen one pokemon part of part of i do love parts of other generations but for me if it's going to be a complete reboot i think you have to put a separation in there yeah and i mean a gen one is near and dear to a lot of people that's for sure i mean even if just for you know you played the first game or you know they featured a lot in the anime and you watched that but it'd be interesting to see the rate if they would just go all a new or mix or if they didn't even add any new pokemon they're like all right this is a reboot and we're just gonna have all of gen one in here no new pokemon right right yeah i wonder how people would react if they were to basically bring back red and blue on the switch and reboot it that way that that would definitely be an interesting way to do it too i mean basically restart the whole entire story again and start from the beginning with with the same pokemon as in we're red and blue and yellow um yeah i mean that would be a definite another way to go but didn't i mean if if it was a i mean i'm i'm thinking like reboot like make a whole new game and reboot it with different story different characters but maybe another path they could take is you know like you were saying bring red and blue back basically a re a link between worlds give it the link between worlds like kick red and blue but with a fun unique twist and whole new content and stuff like that right pokemon universe right so it would appeal to nostalgia but also have the um add all the attention of new gameplay add a little bit to the to the story of the of red and blue yeah but but still keep the original pokemon um so you have the nostalgia of the original pokemon but with a few new things added in i could see them going that direction as well and then in the anime if they brought back like rock and misty yeah i'd be a better believe a lot of a lot of people would return to watching that yeah yeah even if just for an episode or two right relive you know relive the who's that pokemon yeah who's that that was great yeah yeah yeah yeah i'm just i'm i got all these memories flooding back to me now oh for sure of watching um so how much of the new games have you played well it's funny i'm a weird pokemon because i became a fan watching the cartoon i would watch it all the time and it was i loved it and basically it was my biggest dream to go and become a pokemon right gotta catch him oh yeah pokemon yeah yeah it wasn't everybody's right but i started playing pokemon my first pokemon game was pokemon why and i absolutely loved it and i needed to play more uh so i played omega ruby for the 3ds the remake which i thought was good i didn't beat it i mean i thought it was good but i didn't play it out to the end i forget why probably just other games at the time and then i played the original red or no i played yellow i think okay on the on the 3ds virtual console when it came out and i really liked that i watched um i forget the series name but it was uh it was an easy ally series where uh pokemon veteran kyle bossman was having uh brandon jones who had never played pokemon before played brandon plays pokemon yeah brandon plays pokemon there you go oh that's a fairly simple title it was a awesome series yeah seeing brandon experienced that pokemon game for the first time even though i had never played it before uh brought about and me an appreciation for that game and so i said well i have to play it now and so i did and it's just a charming game and then i played uh pokemon moon my favorite pokemon game of all time okay which i thought was amazing i have not played um the new versions of pokemon sun or moon ultra sun ultra yeah ultra sun ultra moon thank you yeah because i just i yeah i know my stuff even though i know nothing about pokemon because i don't right it's still one of those things like i just i because i want to do this other problem i mean for saying this but i just really don't see justifying the cost of buying the game again for just this little bit of content and i know there's probably a whole new story right now well this is what the whole story yeah yeah but i probably should but i'm not going to i'm just gonna wait until the next pokemon game but so i i've played that's about my extent of pokemon games haven't played snap haven't played any of the other pokemon right right just those four games and i've watched a bunch of the so then you went i mean you went to bend against i mean picking up i mean i guess you did say you want to pick up the new ones on the you know new ones created but yeah yeah the new the new pokemon game comes out for switch up right so i we have the fan topic that's just kind of a side topic of this one and i think this is kind of more aimed towards natin and i then it would be for darin because just with you being gone for a little while and and then because we've expressed that you know our views on pokemon have just kind of we're kind of done with the series mm-hmm in a way um and what is it gencha fox yep okay yeah he uh she she i think well whatever gencha fox uh would like to uh was wondering what would have lured us back to pokemon games on the 3ds uh the reason they ask is uh were the exact sort of people that uh game freak seems to be trying to get uh back to the franchise mainly the kanto slash gen one people um they're wondering just kind of what would have brought us back to playing the actual pokemon yeah she notes that like the nostalgia stuff they've been trying to do that obviously hasn't worked because it's not this isn't just like a us thing in general it didn't bring back the so-called gen oneers or whatever yeah in case maybe well yeah but this is you know saying it's more geared towards us as not everybody else is here um there is to me probably nothing they could have done and i'm not saying that because i'm just done with the franchise i'm not i'm not you know i know we've been done for a while outside of maybe a spin-off game or a try at something here there that we played the demo um from sunny moon so like it's not like we're done and we've lost complete interest in pokemon overall right at least i haven't yeah um but i've been done with the games for a while because i've been waiting for that feeling to come back of oh i don't feel so lost anymore and the thing is like i know they did like fire red and all that stuff like they tried to bring back like the red and blue gen one stuff i understand that but um i mean there's 800 plus pokemon yeah right so first off that alone to me is off putting we're approaching a thousand pokemon and to me as someone like when you talk about appealing to a gen one person i'm someone that's about catching them all right that's what pokemon has always been it wasn't about necessarily becoming the best that that was kind of an aside the primary purpose was to to become a pokemon master meant you you have every single pokemon yeah that's what being a pokemon master really meant the gotta be the best came more from the anime than it did from the actual game and even in the anime ash never has never been the best right he's never because you know it's i want to be the very best that like no one ever wants to be yes he wants to be but never really quite gets there but and that's fine that works in the anime it's a nice anime storyline right when is ash ever gonna get there while when they're done with either with ash as the character or they're done with pokemon it'll be the final season ever he'll finally be the best right but whereas gotta catch them all that was pretty much the tag line of pokemon yeah and and the first thing like i don't you know obviously i don't have experience with a lot of a lot of games like the first thing in the first couple of gents that happens is like professor oak is all hey will you help me complete the pokedex now i've been told that's still the point in the new games but here's the thing you cannot get all 800 pokemon in any of the new games yeah you have to have played all the prior gents and transfer all your pokemon over and that to me is dumb it's dumb that is the most off-putting thing about the new games is that no i can't buy a pokemon ultra sun ultra moon and have all the pokemon i can't do it it's impossible i can't catch i mean there's pokemon bank i realize like if you get lucky you can get everything you need but like that is tedious that's not gameplay right that's you trading with other players praying to god the world to give up all the stuff really into that not me yeah there are a lot of people but like i am into playing the damn game right right and get catching pokemon right out in the wild that was the fun of it was going out into the wild and running around and then all of a sudden hey look i don't have this one who this one i used to spend hours farming for that point zero zero one percent chance for a pokemon to pop up and i didn't mind it well how many times did you have to go through safari zone to just get a kagaskan yeah a lot yeah crazy and the thing is like when we're talking about you know what could be back in one console pokemon yeah that's generally give me to try right um and we're getting that of course what they could do like i'll say this um and people who love pokemon don't want to hear this and this is why i'm so excited about the rumor a reboot reboot of scratch 800 pokemon yep i'm not saying go back to 151 i'm not even saying go back to the og 151 you can even start with all brand new pokemon again but a very you know only 100 or whatever it is and just reboot the entire franchise because it is so far over people who played gen one and gen two's head and haven't played sense it the pokemon has advanced so far over our heads yep you know what we don't like like when we think pokemon we're thinking of charizard and pikachu and all stuff then we go into the game we don't know any of these pokemon and that's what happens in a first generate like the first time you play like the very first game in a franchise but when you're so far detached from it but you still remember all this stuff that's not that's relevant and isn't rebooted yet um it just gets wrecked when you go into it like i know like she mentioned like the alohan right like they took a lot of the old pokemon and kind of you know redid some of them to make them alohan versions and it's like that's great that's neat i i think that's a really really cool idea unfortunately i can't pick up that game and catch all the other pokemon i have to go back and play seven generations of pokemon to do that and on top of that some of the pokemon you can't even get anymore because they were event only during those generations yeah so it's like it's almost impossible today to complete the pokedex right if you have not been playing pokemon all this time right that to me is the most off-putting thing about the current games is how they have been designing these games over and it's been it's been this way since gem one right the difference was it when gem one there wasn't anything else right and the only event pokemon they had you could glitch the game fairly easily to get a game yeah um or game gene so like i never liked event pokemon anyways does that be in the only way to get it right but whatever it that's not even like we talked about before some of the complexities and so like what i can even get used to that yeah but the id when someone tells me there's what 807 809 pokemon whatever it is yeah like it just makes my not want to play my brain hurts i used to be able to recite it used to be proud moment when you could recite all 150 pokemon and do it in order of their actual numbers right that used to be a proud thing how many of you out there can recite 800 plus pokemon in a row and what like like if i name oh celibate what number of pokemon is that you know you know i there's so many pokemon you have no idea yeah you know the original 151 order i bet yeah it didn't they actually in some of those games go back and actually add in so technically like some of the newer pokemon are actually down in the 150s or the one i have no idea i wouldn't thought that i thought they did i wouldn't have any so if i'm being honest right because i mean i could be wrong but yeah for me i again i agree i don't know if there's anything that they could have done to brought me back to the 3ds or any of the newer versions of pokemon because of the way they started out there was this sense of accomplishment when you they said gotta catch them all and you finally did there's that sense of accomplishment that you can't get nowadays it's it's one of those things that that wasn't grained into our heads and gen one gotta catch them all i'll tell you the number one thing that put me off we thought about the pokemon numbers i'm not saying that each new generation of pokemon shouldn't add new pokemon of course they should it'll get stale if it just stays 150 but the amount they have added think about this we're seven generations and there's 800 plus pokemon that means on average they've been adding almost 100 new pokemon generation that's way too many yep hey the only way i could think of that is if they don't if they made each game its own individual game and like daren you you'll know this because you played the recent ones how many different types of pokemon are there now oh god too many okay it's just our list in types fire type water type grass type ghost type fairy type dragon type um did i say ghost type yes flying psychic psychic psychic um fighting is legendary type i don't think so i don't think legendary type um i don't know too many now a lot yeah and even daren as someone who likes the new games like it's too many mm-hmm like why is there a dragon type dragons were just part of other types yeah charizard charizard the damn dragon water fire and grass like seriously charizard the dragon electric electric yeah like how can we forget electric like charizard is a dragon but he's probably not a dragon type because he's fired no actually he's not even a dragon type then there's normal don't forget what normal if i remember yeah if i remember right charizard it's not even a dragon type period he's a fairy type what yeah if i remember he's fire yeah he's always a fire he's a fire fairy type what the heck is a fire fairy type it's it's double type it's a double type pokemon no i'm almost positive no no if they rune charizard i'm gonna be pissed reboot or i'm done i don't know he's flying in fire okay i thought he was i could swear he was fairy why why does he have to be multiple types i'm gonna google i could swear he was fairy at one point in time i which made no sense to me whatsoever what type of pokemon is i just google it i'm googling right now too yeah i'm like i gotta see if i don't know i says okay right now it says it says flying in fire list right here we missed a few normal fighting flying poison ground rock bug ghost steel fire water grass electric psychic dragon dark and fairy yeah why yeah what is it about 15 if i be under shot right there's like 18 okay that was close but still way too many remember what what was it grow what was it in gem one it was it was there was fighting psychic fire water grass electric normal normal uh i think it was eight i'm trying to think what the last one was it's actually 19 if you count the question mark question mark question mark type oh the unknown yeah i know i'm missing no good missing no yes um but like i'm mad that i'm kicking myself that i'm forgetting one of the og gen gen one types because i'm pretty sure it was the even number fighting i don't know it makes me mad at some type that's associated with a move that is now just a ghost's move it was in like gen two i think uh type chart gen one okay eric's bringing up the types right now from gem one maybe okay as he looks at it anyways like that's the thing you know when you ask like what could they do the things they tried to do to bring people back bring cancel region back bring this back do this do that do x y z they didn't do any of they didn't solve any of the primary issues that people like us have people that are gen oneers or gen twoers or whatever the case may be because the problem is that the reason we played the game now feels impossible it be if i i'm i'll find i'll catch 800 pokemon but can i do it in ultra sun ultra moon no then i don't want to play that that's that's my kicker if i can't do it in the game i don't if i can't complete the polka deaths in the game and i don't know forget this somebody will tell me you can complete the polka dex in the game forget completely the polka dex if i can't capture every pokemon in the game the alola polka dex in the game without trading i've yes the alola polka dex but what about all the rest of pokemon well no okay it's my point and i some of you will say well then that's like a reboot because you just have just a limited amount of pokemon yeah but then i'll be seeing other players out there with other types of pokemon in there because they imported it from the old games and it just makes it all unfair and unbalanced and i don't like that i'm not saying that you shouldn't be able to bring you a whole point game i'm not saying that but i'm saying if all of the pokemon are available in every game then it's fair for everyone if you can bring your obscure pokemon from the last gen over i should be able to catch that obscure pokemon or breed it or whatever the case may be apparently there is 15 in the original let me see i don't remember dragon being a type drag i'm trying to think dragon might was dritini and drit well they were normal they might have been normal dragon water i what i don't normal fire water electric grass i don't think ice was a type or kuno oh ice was not a type in i don't think oh and your phone yeah i don't think ice was a type in general i don't remember ice being a type anyone that was like ice pokemon was just a water pokemon yeah recommend yeah like 90% yeah i could be confused with the card game yeah right card game didn't have right you know all those ones so that might have thrown me for a loop as well because i was big into the trading card game well like i probably played more overall pokemon games in dariness but and i played a ton of spin-offs yeah but it's like i think i played snap i played stadium i played coliseum i have played well i'm trying to get out of spin-off games i played mystery dungeon i played pokemon red and blue and yellow and silver and gold and i've dabbled in diamond and pearl one of the two i can't remember which one i dabbled and i actually bought it um i have dabbled in fire red leaf green blah blah because like those are supposed to be like read with the gem on it just didn't feel the same because all these new pokemon i'm still seeing like all this crazy stuff and you can't get all the pokemon like like the what gets lost on people is the reason that people play pokemon in the first place catch them all in the game every generation after one you couldn't really do that even the that's probably that's probably why i didn't buy generation three because with gold and silver came out you couldn't catch every pokemon in the game you had to import your pokemon for red and blue i had red and blue i i did import my pokemon but it frustrated me that i had to do that i would and you might say well why would you want to re-catch them if you already have them because especially back then with link cables and everything it was just more convenient for me to catch them again right and there's that excitement level of like it's really cool to think the very first charizard i ever had in red that i could still be playing with that beast today in ultra sun ultra moon and i could have took him with me every single game there is that cool factor yeah definitely should be an option that should exist you should be able to carry your pokemon game to game not saying you shouldn't but also every single game i should have been able to catch a charmander and turn into a charizard right and re-experienced bringing up another charizard right it for me right now i think if i were to do pokemon i would almost make each individual game its own standalone type of series where like you know you have red blue and yellow gen one each new gen is its own standalone thing well that is what they did it's exactly what they did no because i'm not saying i'm not saying bringing in any old pokemon so that's what they that's what they did like with sun and moon and yet we didn't want to play it you can still get pikachu and stuff like that in if you import right you can't get it in the game the game has its own as there and said its own polka dex you can play it in the game it's its own thing it's separate from all the other games it's exactly what you're asking them to do they already did it and yet it didn't bring you back well i think it that was probably more to do with the uh the demo really crappy demo but that was a terrible demo we think it was a terrible demo a lot of people thought it was an awesome yeah that's the thing there might be more to it yeah than what we're saying because what we're saying is why in general we haven't gotten back in but what like you just said like well if they did this is okay well they did do that for you so now why what's the other reason i don't know there's something else about it feels also just from that demo too it feels like there's a lot more gimmicks in the game as well yeah they incorporated that was added they they also added like you know you're running out taking pictures and it's like yeah that's pokemon snap i know added the game right it why taking pictures in sun and moon why it pokemon snap give me a pokemon snap it's not better than pokemon snap that's for sure give me a pokemon snap if you're gonna incorporate taking pictures of pokemon give me pokemon snap well i don't think there's anything wrong with having the ability to take pictures i just it just seems extra gimmicky let's give it it's giving veteran players more to hey or we're not considered veteran players anymore so to us it's just extra fluff that doesn't be needed to people who play every single generation putting hundreds of hours and they're like hey this is cool something else to do besides what i literally do every single game mm-hmm yeah so as i say to us i think at least for i'll just speak for me i can't speak for you when i try out games since the first couple of gens i am overwhelmed very quickly because what what it gets lost on people today like as much as like i don't know daring considers themselves a pro but like how awesome pokemon yeah like how i like how awesome people think they are po even if they don't think they're like so awesome they can beat other players like they feel like this game i know this game in and out i'm a pro at this game that's how we felt with red blue green whatever yeah yellow yellow and then uh and then when we got uh even silver and gold like even a little bit of that we felt like yeah we are pokemon masters even if we're not the greatest in the world right right even if we're not the greatest the trading card game whatever we had that feeling that we are masters and now when i pick up a pokemon game because it's been so long it's understandable why i don't feel like a master i pick it up because like when you picked up red and red blue you didn't feel like a matter of differences i played red and blue so now when i pick up pokemon i expect a lot of familiarity i expect a lot of um easing me into it in the same kind of way teaching me you know in the same kind of way that i'm used to like i expect to want to skip the how to catch a pokemon part but then now they added also oh there's 17 different balls and there's a now we got breeding and we got and i know breeding's been around i think since gen two but i didn't really do it in gen two right as i said gen two is is the is the game that made me stop liking pokemon um so i'll tell you i'll tell you why i don't feel like a pro it's because i have a friend who plays pokemon and you know i i guess i'm fairly good at pokemon but he trades every day he's un-messageable he has hacked pokemon he he grinds every day he spends thousands of hours in sun and moon and plays all the other games and levels the pokemon up to send them to sun and moon and he knows how to get all these rare pokemon you got to go to the specific area and then use an item on this pokemon and all this and that and he knows all the types and advantages and disadvantages and all the the evies and how to use berries and how to use this and that and maximize every chance he has of winning you know as goes to the battle tree constantly it's you know stuff like that just a super fan super pro that i knew i'll never be because i'm not about to sink that much time into it okay but get a remember and this is what i said that's what we were back then right yes we didn't necessarily beat a whole bunch of other but we felt like we knew everything even if we really did it felt like we did we might not have known necessarily all the best ev combos right and the best pokemon the court certain moves with but we that's because it was all new we were experiment nobody right nobody right it was still new and being figured out but now everybody else does know so we go into a game which it i have to admit this is a big part of it we haven't talked about this community back then and it's still true today pokemon is very much a community when i talk about pokemon like if people even get this far in the podcast just look in the comments how many people are going to be bitching at me from the pokemon yeah i don't feel welcome yeah i feel like they don't want me yeah like i want to get in a pokemon switch they want to undo me they don't want me there's people that tell me i shouldn't even talk about pokemon because i'm a gen one or whatever the case may be and i'm just like when did pokemon become such this exclusive club that anyone else that has a different opinion than right that's not what pokemon was back then there are people that play pokemon for different reasons there are people that wanted to be pros and go to the pokemon tournament that wasn't me right but they did it and they had fun and they played it for a different reason and we didn't hate each other right no for sure um and i don't hate these people by the way right it's just annoying right when i'm being told as someone that has openly admitted i am trying to get back into pokemon you're telling me don't bother and you're trying to kick me out before i even get started that oh it's frustrating and i think part of me is this whole i mean it this whole 3d world is is interesting but i love the the the top down to maybe two and a half d you know that's what the last h n's event go play that's what i'm sorry up until what x and y that's what pokemon was what right so like you could have been playing all the time i could have been yeah no i know um i think it's there's there's bits and it's it's there's bits and pieces of each individual it's not one individual thing it's bits and pieces of sure of other like this culmination of things that yeah it's it's kind of slowly loses me yeah i mean after each gen this is a thing like when someone like i i always point out gen to was when my my my you know my love of the series started the wane and that's when i realized i wasn't gonna buy every single pokemon someone's cuz you're growing up you're getting another stuff i started getting big in this held up blah blah blah but that doesn't mean that i had to stop with pokemon uh because i was still doing the trading card game for a while up and i was big into the trading card game until even with the new pokemon until wizards of the coast stopped making the cards and another company took it over because that new company basically banished all the old cards which made me as a trading card player feel like i just wasted years of my oh yeah yeah so like it really devastated me because i if i was serious about one thing it was pokemon trading card oh yeah i go to tournaments i wanted to go championship oh like i i was big into it like people are big into trying to become pokemon masters even still to this day with a trading card game i guess yeah but when they banned all the old cards i'm like this is just pissing me off so that is what it is that's what kind of got me out was that was that was a massive change right that hasn't necessarily happened before my big game freak this whole time but it felt like that i'm not saying a game series can't evolve right zelda as an example all these years almost every single zelda game feels different um you could argue some of them feel like a reboot right but when you play that game everything that you're meant to that you're able to do or meant to do can be done within the game so like when you play breath of the wild it doesn't matter if you didn't play skyward sword it's completely irrelevant to your experience in breath of the wild right it doesn't mean that opinions can't be skewed right but each game stands completely 100% on its own pokemon is one of those franchises especially when you're someone like us that have that nostalgia feel that when you get into a game you have these pre-existing expectations from your childhood and you just feel like you're so on the outside getting in each game even though we just said all sun and moon kind of sort of stands on its own with the alohan stuff it's still one of those things like yeah but when you first enter sun and moon i remember the demo anyways first thing it said is hey you just got here to this island that means there's more yeah you're still part of that world you're you aren't actually from that island you're from a different you're from kanto or whatever the game yeah yeah and it's like in zelda it never feels that way you every game you wake up well yeah and you're from kakiri forest even though you finally your mother dropped you up you're from somewhere in hypo probably castle town uh you are from you know like everything is inclusive in the game you're not a visitor sun and moon to me from the demo felt like i am a visitor to this land right but there's more right and the game doesn't let me do that more right limited to just this land right and some of that's because of the open world games that have existed out there that do let you do that more like i'm a visitor here maybe that's where i start but i can eventually go and that's kind of like what gen two did where you could go back and play the first region yeah and i feel as before like i want all the regions in one game that would be one way that would get me excited is i can't catch all you know pokemon because all the regions exist in the exist in one game massive and they talk about massive game as to the i'm sorry there's there is no more games that are just as oh yeah no no no no i'm just saying i'm i'm just thinking oh that'd be a massive game like it can be done i'm not saying it's not difficult i don't know right no like a lot a lot of a lot of pokemon fans will tell me that uh you can't get that because it'd be too too big too difficult to this too that all a lot and i'm just like like that's because you're so ingrained in my pokemon currently right right that you this is what people didn't think open world games like breath of the wild were even possible 30 years ago right so like you're so ingrained in what it's always been that you can't see a world that's different than that and i feel like that's what needs to happen with pokemon is it needs a radical shift that just shakes up right so it makes it so everyone feels new again right to what is happening breath of the wild just did that was all right it just tore down everything zelda has been for 25 years and so we're done with that this is what it is now and it feels like if you want to get me truly back i'm gonna try to get back without it right if it doesn't do that but for reboot whatever whatever you want to call like breath of the wilds on a reboot right it needs to just rip everything down and make every pokemon player feel new again it gets rid of that cocky feeling that that the current pokemon fans have and it's gonna set some people they got torn down breath of the wild upset people too people who love dungeons hate breath of the wild but you know what it's the most critically and potentially highest selling zelda game ever created tearing down the walls think about i i use this always as an analogy think about pokemon go yep it kind of sort of did that it took what we every pokemon trainer has always ever dreamed of catching pokemon in real life right as much as possible obviously the next step is full vr right yeah it's it took that and it did it smartly by saying look we're sticking with gem one right away and more people downloaded installed and played pokemon go than any pokemon game in the history of pokemon it's not even close hundreds of millions of players game freak dreams of having a game come out that can do that i think something breath of the wild that's something that shakes the foundation of pokemon it makes everyone anew again i'm not quite sure how you do it i don't know that's like i didn't know how they could do it was zelda either right and they did i yeah i don't have the answers to it right but if they can breath of the wild this pokemon game yep then not only will get me back in it's going to get a ton of pokemon players just like pokemon go did to come back like even as pokemon goes popularity is weighing there are still more people playing pokemon go today than playing ultra sun ultra moon by a significant margin tens of millions of players they need to do something like pokemon go not say make remake pokemon go that already exists but shaking the foundation that's a pokemon go it shook our expectations for what a pokemon game is they need to do it again on switch and then this time it needs to be done by the pokemon team it can't be an outsider right we need game freak to step up and be like look we're tired of making the same stuff every time and i realized you guys talk about all the evolution and the story changes and and uh you know how they kept a lot of things the same a chance of things and and added types and added uh you know different types of reading and ivy's and all the stuff they've added that's great they have tried to do things to expand it felt like all they've done is expand upon what pokemon was back in red and blue it would be akin to same going from the legend of zelda skipping over zelda 2 then two links awakening and then a link to the past and then skipping over all the 3d games and then going to um you know the minish cap and oracle seasons oracle of ages and i think between worlds like skipping all the evolution that has happened in zelda and just sticking with that same formulaic type of type of experience that admittedly they have added a ton of stuff to that top down 2d style of games even it's you know spirit tracks and and uh you know phantom hourglass add into that touch controls 2.5d but it's still that top down style game that adds all this new things it adds tons of new stuff yet none of those games are among the best selling zelda games because the ones that are are the ones that really shook everything up or at least as all the games i enjoy the most ocarina of time felt like it shook everything up because it admittedly ocarina of time is a link to the past and 3d but it felt like it shook everything up because of the perspective um maybe that's all it needs maybe that's all pokemon needs to get me is make it like i'm almost the first person or over the shoulder full 3d world i don't know maybe that's all it needs to do i can't tell you i don't know make a game where you're the pokemon and you try to run away from your trainers well till it happens i don't i don't know what it needs to be right time to my i like major's mask significantly more think about how different major's mask is than anything that's ever happened in zelda before they were different breath of the wild isn't anything that's happened before that's what and that's how you get people to come back you might not satisfy everyone and you're going to burn the zelda team knew when they released breath of the wild people that love dungeons and love the skyward sword dungeon that love the twilight princess dungeons love the dungeon focus of the games we're not going to be happy but they didn't care they wanted to bring back all the people that had left zelda over the years and they did that successfully and they created new fans on top of that breath of the wild became such a sensation that my daughter was talking about it because kids at her school were playing it and she asked me that isn't that that's all the game you play all the time breath of the wild yeah like everyone's talking about it at school like apparently it's one of the best games ever made i'm like yeah this is elementary school it's getting around yeah when i'm at that elementary school the only time i ever hear about pokemon is if they're playing pokemon go on their phone i'm not saying that some of them don't play pokemon it just doesn't feel like it had that sensation feel because it's just i don't want to say it's stagnated but it kind of sort of has the series hasn't necessarily grown or dipped in sales it kind of just sits between that 14 that 12 14 20 million it kind of just sits and i know that's a wide range zelda wishes it had that kind of range but it's just that's that's just my personal feeling if they can shake the foundation like pokemon go did i'm not saying they're going to hit the success pokemon go huge right but i think they could create the best selling pokemon game of all time and they're going to do that because everyone who's ever played a pokemon game but stop playing it at one point is going to hear about it and feel like we got to try this that's what breath of the wild did the zelda fans they heard even if they ended up hating it they still bought it and tried it yeah because they heard so much great things about guys you know like how you even play zelda for dude i breath a lot changed to everything yeah and it's amazing yeah and it's perfect 10 we need to start hearing that pokemon's a perfect 10 again yeah when's the last time you remember a pokemon game getting straight perfect 10s across the board there's never been a pokemon game rated as high as okrium time in zelda it's never happened there's never been a pokemon game that's been rated that good how how did the originals rate i don't remember yeah honestly i'll put it on my head i couldn't tell you right but they're not the top 10 i know that of all time so it's kind of like it's kind of like we need that kind of hype for pokemon and i think pokemon pokemon always feels like a franchise that should be up there with the zelda's getting those high reviews oh for sure but something is holding it back from that and i feel like that's something maybe the same reason that i'm not getting back into it yeah so if they do that i'm again you guys maybe know what that should be i have no idea i didn't know what it should have been with zelda and they did it and i love it and i had no i didn't think anything in my lifetime would top secret amana ever yeah it held firm for over 20 years despite my love of zelda despite my love of mario then breath of the wild came out and my expectations for zelda are now blown so out of proportion that there's no way the next the next zelda game can even even probably compare at least that's what i'm thinking now you say that now that's what i think you know i probably thought that with or career time back in the day and then majority of this has happened so right no no for sure that's my feeling my rant yep yep it's all i got you got anything else to add nope we used to i think we summed it up i think darin fell asleep yeah i think so too no darin's still here he's uh looking up original red and blue review scores oh nice yeah let me know um you looking up on medicarek or something i don't even know medicarek has them they probably medicarek has them for fire red they don't have them for pokemon red though um i'm gonna go to game i'm gonna go to i'm gonna go to game rankings so i kind of fire red has an 8.7 user score that's not what i'm looking for 81 81 i'm going to glance at game rankings.com too because they they usually look like a pokemon in general and see like the top rated pokemon game of all time is the game boy advanced pokemon joto finish not even a not even a mainline game is so what is the it's all you ever mind i'm not gonna count it never mind it's like a one review so that doesn't count pokemon silver okay pokemon red was 87 on game ranking okay so pokemon silver rounds up to 88 pokemon silver got 91.35 with 23 reviews okay remember this was way back when there was a pretty great uh pokemon puzzle challenge is next at 90 how many how many reviews 10 reviews okay pokemon gold version which again silver 89.56 uh pokemon blue at 88 yep pokemon soul silver remake of silver 88 funny out it's actually red is lower than the og silver with more it's because more reviews right right um pokemon sun believe it or not interesting is the best rate of pokemon game in a hell of a long time 52 reviews hmm where's your edit we know red i see blue version where's oh red version is 87.86 okay heart gold like like they're all rated basically you're looking at mid to high 80s yeah um with one mainline that got over got over 90 but then like you look at that right and then you type and i know we're talking about critical rating here but it's it does make a difference because it lets you know if it just consistently stays there it means they're consistently making high quality games but they're not good in that extra step yeah um zelda games best rated ocarina of time 97.54 okay 1998 oh 2017 breath of the wild 97.4 uh that was the wii u version by the way it rings slightly oh that's only a five reviews that's why they say most of the reviews were probably for the switch version there's 63 yeah uh twilight princess 2006 16 reviews 95 and that's the gamecube version the wii version is right behind that with 84 reviews at 94.58 win waker even is up in the 94s and like you'll see going down like zelda games are consistent in the 90s but then you do have some that are down in the mid 80s like there is some variance in a couple of 70s okay and there even when you look at the top of them top of them they kind of spread out over the years yeah this game hit a 95 but then the next couple probably only hitting like a 90 or an 80 it sounds like they took chances and did different things yeah yeah the win waker was a huge risk uh going back to why the princess probably was less of a risk but but it felt amazing coming off of the win waker in the west um you know breath of the wild did what breath of the wild did ocarina time do what it did until the past day what it did um all of these games um felt revolutionary i don't know that i have dabbled in a pokemon game because i said i've tried pokemon games over the years and felt like this is something i and special like when you get in breath of the wild the first time you walk out of that cave you know this is not your average zelda game yeah yeah this is different you get this feeling in the win waker too because of the sea it's never been in a zelda game before you you get to even the title screen you're like what is happening not just the art style like water everywhere you wake up again up in a watch tower with your sister you have a sibling now yeah like you kind of get that feeling in the win waker okay like they found a way to just blow your mind um over and over again with zelda felt this way in ocarina of time um like yeah i felt all amazing when you're in the thing but then when you get out in the hyrule field for the first time i think anyone who's played ocarina of time will always remember that first time they stepped in the hyrule field it doesn't matter that it's empty as hell and really boring and bland you don't realize that at the time you step out and you're like what especially back in the nineties like what is this world and over you've never seen i've never seen nope nope nope well you've never seen anything like this in a zelda game or even maybe i'm gaming at all back in the nineties like you just step on your like this is massive yeah games get bigger than this that's what you're thinking um it's actually kind of small but back then it was like a big deal oh yeah for sure so uh and there's been so many of these moments and when every time i boot up a pokemon game and you're greeted with some of the same stuff you know like oh what's your name or oh what's your gender what yeah well oh pick one of the three starting pokemon like it's just like this is the same every time and i know there's all these differences and some of them can be off-putting you're gonna love hate love hate but it's kind of like even what even in like uh the this you know alone area where they got rid of the gems and did something different uh it's still one of those things we're like i understand that changes things up but it still felt kind of sort of like pokemon's always been there was a familiarity that was too familiar whereas breast of the wild you booted up okay this is familiar wake up link okay this link you're waking up again like you've done in like every Zelda game ever and well from the moment like that okay Zelda's all about wait there's voice acting let's throw me off yeah why am i in a space age sci-fi chamber that's throwing me up and then you go out there like okay this is different look at this giant world then you pick up a stick and you hit a bokeh blend you're like oh this feels so satisfying probably broke my stick probably even dying all right but it just felt satisfying yeah and there's these little in all of a sudden you see the temple of time and you're like i have not seen this shit since okay no time yeah what is happening why is it in ruins yeah you see a ruin la mount ranch later you see these like it makes it feel like a Zelda game while totally breaking all the conventions and i feel like that's what has them the pokemon where they can still make it feel like this is very much a pokemon game this is just not pokemon as you've ever seen it before and i don't feel like they've ever done that at least to me and granted i know that it's easy for me to say that because i played all the zelda games but i played them because it felt like that mm-hmm now with every game admittedly mm-hmm but with a lot of them mm-hmm you know and even the ones i talked about before were like the top down games didn't necessarily feel that way i was spreading out those top down games over 20 plus years right we're talking about ocarina of time to a very different major as mass to the wind waker back to an ocarina time style game and then also out the skyward sword with motion controls and then all of a sudden breath of the wild like wildly different games every time yeah yeah and it keeps you engaged because you never know what's gonna happen and pokemon is like i know it's gonna happen this next pokemon game you're gonna talk to some sort of professor at the beginning they're gonna tell you how they need help completing the poke at x yep you're gonna need to pick one of three starting pokemon because for some reason we have to be limited three every single time right probably a basic type of water fire in grass yep um and you're going to have to choose a name choose your gender uh choose a pair of clothing yeah you'll be able to change clothing later maybe live with a dressier pokemon i'll put makeup on and do all these little little things on the side that are all optional and everything but you know the goal then is to complete the poke at x beat the trainers beat the beat the gym leaders and either become the pokemon champion beat nearly four again or whatever or uh completing the poke at x and then you can't really in some games you can't really complete the poke at x without the other games or whatever we talked about that already but it's kind of like this repeat of just beating into your head like this is what pokemon is what's always going to be and we're going to throw all these things on top of it to make it feel different it feels like going from what legend is out to a link to the past and then a link to the past to as i said you're just kind of doing the same thing and adding new elements in whereas i would rather just see a completely blown up pokemon has never had a token of time moment ever it's never happened pokemon today i would argue based on a little bit i played i know but is large like if my daughter my daughter's playing pokemon right now she's loving it i'm watching her play and her experience and as i'm watching her do it is largely the same as mine was when i was a kid and that's very nostalgic that's very amazing i love that she's getting into pokemon she loves it so much but she's loving it for a lot of the same reasons i did and it's like that just tells me that hasn't really ever changed it's never grown up with the audience it's never tried to be different it and it's okay to have games and own what they are call of duty very much owns what it is but it's a yearly franchise i don't want pokemon being treated like that to me pokemon is such an important ip that we shouldn't be like oh we just got sun and moon oh we're getting ultra sun ultra moon next year why right scrap that come back with pokemon switch take some more time between games and do something different every time and i know there's a scare i mean that they do it just like call of duty does it even though they do have like different errors and stuff like the other going to like i was forward to coming up world war two but they they do it because the sales numbers are consistently high so they can get away with doing it but if they ever want to hit that peak like sales numbers were consistently high for zelda then they did ocarina of time and it got even higher if they could just ocarina of time or breath of the wild is bad boy they might see sales numbers they've never seen before we're talking 30 40 plus million you know especially if it's that revolutionary where it becomes it needs to become my breath of the wild where people everyone who owns a switch needs to buy this game yeah like everyone who owns a 3ds didn't buy and there's 70 million 3ds's yeah sorry was there 70 million copies sold yeah it was there even 35 million copies sold of sun and moon no yeah so it needs to be that game that feels like you are buying it is worth buying a switch and this game so and that again pokemon has always been a system seller but this needs to hit a new level yeah anyways that's what they need to do yeah i gotta say thanks for tuning in this is the nintendo prime podcast another long one but you know what it feels fitting to have a long one on darin's return yeah because we have been waiting for you for five years okay five weeks uh i'll be back i'll be back next week he'll be back he'll be back next week and hopefully every single week until his grandparents decide to go on another vacay um and then take everything with and say bye darin yep um but it's all good maybe someday we'll get you in person and that'll that'll be a fun cast yeah person especially we can get him to get 5j out here oh yeah that would be fantastic yeah we got it's gotta happen someday someday we're all just gonna go to e3 there you and it's gonna be amazing it'd be awesome even if we're all going for for different outlets and different who cares yeah we know we're meeting up making this podcast happen yeah um so yeah go ahead and go follow darin at realdern on twitter don't know how often he's been updated it because i don't really pay much attention i should probably hit that bell icon on your why hold on why is twitter and youtube both using bell icons i don't know hit that bell icon to get notifications like why don't i just get notifications and i guess i do follow up yeah well we have been tweeting a lot of nintendo stuff especially after today so yeah it's basically all i tweet about music sometimes and for the first time ever eric first time yeah first time ever on a podcast yeah eric more you can go follow him on twitter yeah yeah yeah which by the way editor that means you actually have to add his twitter handle oh boy yeah what what does that twitter handle get hit me up emo 8790 so that's e moh 8790 that's right go follow him as he's told before if he does tweet or retweets it's sports stuff primarily he's not going to be too too much in town i mean every now that he might retweet some from center pride but yeah but uh yeah that's cool and obviously i have another twitter handle at any chance otherwise the main one you want to follow that i am most active on that i'm always talking nintendo at ninty prime uh stay tuned folks because there's going to be some great stuff i can let you know right now that next week we do have a special guest on uh not that daren's not special here but you're like a co-host at this point yeah at least you should be feels like we're having a saccharion next week saccharion no by the way i know we were talking about earlier we didn't know what project he was working on and i think we might have even said that it sounds like he's not even working on this one but he tweeted out that yes he's been toiling away on this game forever on this upcoming smash switch game i just saw that well the hold on is this in reference to it being a new game or is this in reference to he's been doing this since back before it came out on wii u in 3ds so he's just been a non-stop no he's well he's specifically talking about the game smash game showed off in the um well you know it'll bring it up well i know he's specifically talking about the game in the direct well yeah but he's talking about how he can't say its name he says while we haven't gotten to the point where we can announce the game's title i've been working on the title in silence day after day please look forward to new information and when the title goes on sale and that was in a retweet of the smash bros account and that translation is by source gaming at all source gaming color me surprised i'm i honestly didn't think he was gonna do anything with smash i thought he was done wow wow okay then folks yeah right that just changes everything yeah i take everything this is a higher conversation we had to re record the podcast two and a half hours everything we said about the direct sorry yeah redeem yeah new smash game get high maybe okay who is the actual uh special guest next week oh okay so we're having player essence on next week oh sweet yeah like there newsy is for those who don't know he he's an amazing youtuber he does a lot of similar stuff that we do he reports on uh nintendo stuff gaming stuff in general um he's got his uh player essence news thing and he does like a live show five nights a week um where he has a discussion with his fans talking about the news and everything uh and i think every now and then he does a game stream does a lot of indie games uh from what i can tell uh i don't catch a lot of his streams because i'm busy doing my own content every night uh but i do watch a lot of his videos he's a great guy i actually during one of his live streams uh i was actually live streaming at the same time um and we were getting some really generous uh donations and i felt so inclined to show some love to him and through some donations his way um just because he works really really hard he's a father as well trying to make his dream a reality um and i get so much support i you know i was sitting watching stream but dude nobody's giving this guy any money man i got i gotta start the money train so i started the money train um and that definitely got his attention um and because him and i we we've known it we we've gone back for twitter a few times but haven't really had talking and now like we've been chatting all the time and he's he's he's psyched to come on our podcast he is not someone you guys should expect to see in our pockets often because again i just said every night he's doing something yeah for his own stuff but um he is making time uh to come on at least once uh because he really wants to talk some good stuff with us we're gonna at least we have a full four person cast whoa for the first time in a long time and believe me we are going to i know i'm just donald trumping that up right there believe me uh we're going to we are going to have some epic topics to bring up that are specially catered to player essence if you know any of his content you know the things he loves we're gonna be talking about it we're gonna make it happen it's going to be probably one of the most interesting conversations we have had in 2018 even more interesting than this nintendo direct holy cow so get ready get pumped get excited we'll see you next week this is the nintendo prime podcast yeah buddy i knew it was going to be a long one it's nintendo direct day man oh yeah totally and i just i was debating if we should have the fork on the top and i'm like you know what