 The special assistant and public communication to our Tico Abubacame, Mr Frank Schuybu, has asked the National Assembly to make the public or to make the public the report of its investigation into the 52 billion-hour special works program implemented by the Ministry of State for Labour and Employment Mr Festas Keamol across the 774 local commentaries in the country. Schuybu made the demand in a statement in a Buddha yesterday in response to claims that Keamol acquired a house in the United States valued at over $302,000, but Keamol in a swift reaction said he had declared his assets, asking those in doubt to contact relevant government agencies. Joining us to discuss this is Aded Bayo Aded Osul. He is the Assistant Director of the Asperal Mobilisation and Allied Matters of your State APC PCC and also joining us is Honourable Angul Angul Public Affairs Analyst and Member of the People's Democratic Party. Thank you so much gentlemen for joining us. Good evening. Thank you very much and good to see you again. Thank you. Angul, I'm going to start with you Mr Aded Bayo. Looking at this situation, Frank Chybu is looking at that report and he's asked the Senate to publish the report on 52 billion Naira special works programme. Apparently these monies were supposed to be distributed to 774 local governments. Many have come to testify to the fact that these monies they never received. And this is of course Mr Keamol who recently just before the elections had asked that of course the economic and financial crimes EFCC probe the People's Democratic Party presidential candidate for corruption and money laundering. And here we are also querying the decency of this particular minister. Even though he has said he's declared his asset, the questions that need to be answered. Mr Aded Bayo, can you hear me? Yes, I can hear you loud and clear. Thank you very much for having me. And you know the funny thing. I like the way we are starting honestly speaking that Festus Keamol, my friend, my brother, asked that the PDP's presidential candidate at Cwok Bakabi investigated and prosecuted. So in a nutshell, to them this is a hit back and it's just an empty hit back because it lacks basis, has no foundation and has no basis, has no basis in law whatsoever. It's like the cry of somebody who is drowning. It's like the noise of somebody who is in the wilderness. That is all I can see that is coming out of this. And what I always say to people is anybody can come up with any allegation. And allegation in most instances are assumptions that actually lack substance. As PDP or Franshaibu established a case of wrongdoing, that is the first question we need to ask. Where is the wrongdoing? What is wrongdoing or is it a suspicion of wrongdoing that is causing this to come about? And I want to believe that my brother Angu will be very logical to also agree with me that it's not enough to assume that a wrong has been done when you have not established the wrong that has been done. That is the first thing in law. And anybody that cannot establish that is just on a fantasy drive and I don't engage in that. So that's how I'm going to open and I believe this is a non-issue. If somebody has declared this asset, have they actually gone to look at his asset declaration for crying far? Have they seen the content of the asset declaration? Our people are so lazy and it is because the media loves social media not. Otherwise, this is not something anybody should entertain. I would have expected that PDP would take it upon itself to come out with hard facts. We have it on record and Atukawa Bak has not denied it himself. SPV. SPV. I'm sure, I hope my brother Angu does not have anything to do with SPV or he has not created an SPV before. I've had too much about you. That's the good thing. The things I've had about you are very wonderful and I want to believe being in PDP will not make you to soil your hands and then to integrity before because he wants to do that. So Mr Adedaisu, I think you would try not to butter up Angu so he could say what to do. You're not going to pre-empt Angu as to his response but quickly when you say that a man has declared his asset and then of course we would ask we're looking at the career, the political and private career of Mr Festus Keamo. Can you hit your hand on your chest and tell me that he has or is capable of having or owning a house in the United States that's valued at $302,000 without question. Should that not be questioned because again in one sentence because I need Angu to come in? No, that is a question. I don't want to tell you the truth. I am very afraid and scared of a Nigerian political territory because of this pulundan syndrome. Hardly would you find a senior advocate of Nigeria and I mean a senior advocate of Nigeria of many years of experience at the bar and does not have asset abroad. Some of them actually charge in you in ad currency. Where are you going to keep the money? I will use the instance of somebody like Agbakuba who is a maritime lawyer. Maritime lawyers are paid in dollars. Okay let me let's bring Angu in because we need we need we need Angu. We don't have time. You took a lot of time so I want Angu to come in. Can I beat my chest and stop? So it's a yes or no question? No, you don't put it to me or a yes or no question. Can you or can you not hit your chest and say that you can go please go to sleep? Okay great. Great. Let's let Angu come in. Let's let Angu come in. Angu please. Thank you very much my sister and my brother. I would like to say that these issues are not issues that are to be politicised and not issues that should to make it look like more like a personality clash. These are issues that bother on corruption. These are issues that bother on we being accountable when giving public leadership. So for us to reduce this issue to become the issue of the PDP, APC, article came come to think of it. What is articles of the chairman standing before an article that all the PDP has a party to come and be more the slogan with a camp? You know, those are institutions. I think the museum is an institution. The PDP is also an institution. So the question we should be bothered with is that is this a case of corruption? Are there cases of corruption? Are there abuse of public office? Those are the issues that we should be looking at. So it's not about Keamu. It's not about the PDP. It's not about the APC. But it's about Nigerians. The money we are talking about, the SWP funds, where those monies actually utilised appropriately for what it was meant for. Those are the questions we should be answering here. Well, Angu, to give you some perspective. Angu, to give you some perspective. I'm so sorry to talk over you. That money, 52 billion nair, was for hiring 774,000 Nigerians across the local government. And most importantly, these Nigerians were hired to take on menial jobs such as clearing, drainages, sweeping of markets, costing grasses and other services, many of whom had said those monies did not get to them. So where is the money? That is why it is shameful and quite disgraceful that we are reducing that issue to be a party issue. It is money meant for all unemployed Nigerians. Money meant for the poor in our country. Money that, if it were utilised properly, our crime rate would have reduced, unemployment would have reduced. And immediately those monies were released, the supervising minister ends up buying a house in the United States of America. Even if that was done in America, even if it is a senior advocate of Nigeria for long standing, there should be an investigation. So we are not stopping, it should be shocking that someone should be talking about stopping an investigation. The Senate should investigate, or if they have already, the report of that investigation should be brought up. Mr Kayamu said, okay, he got his money from a long time of legal practice and all of that. Good and fine. He should be able to give us receipts. I know he has been a prosecutor with the EFCC over time. Angu, are you there? We lost you for a second. Are you there? I think Angu froze. Angu, can you hear us? From a lawyer that was caught in a prison of how he was brought in to represent a Pakistani rogue that was looked for by the United States government. That right up is out there in the public domain. And the man was like, thank God Kayamu is coming close to justice because Kayamu put him in jail for a number of years, and for over 10 years he was pushing in a case. He mentioned the Faridah Waaziri of the EFCC, the former chairperson of the EFCC. He mentioned quite a number of names in that right up. When he saw that the matter of Kayamu came out that he bought the house in America, he was like, look, Kayamu is coming close to him to get justice. Like I said before, these are issues of corruption. And we shouldn't politicize it. We shouldn't make it lower the standard by making it look like personality clash. You should give us a receipt of how he made money to buy a house of over $300 million. $300,000. Okay, let me go back to bio. You have just one minute because my time is almost up. Do we see, because you're saying this is baseless, there's no need to have this conversation, but then Angu is saying, look, this is bordering on corruption. This is a case of accountability. And he is still a sitting minister in this country. And he has to be accountable to the people of Nigeria. If the questions, the red flags raised, should this not be investigated? And I want to ask you sincerely. Do you see this being investigated? And if there be a need for him to give us, just as Angu said, receipts, let us know exactly how these monies were spent. Can we trace it? Do you see that happening in one minute? Okay, it's not unfortunate that you have very limited time for this discussion because it is a huge one. It is a huge one. And I'll say one thing. Every Nigerian, if there's an issue that needs to be investigated, by all means, due process for the investigation to be formed, initiate the process for the investigation and have the investigation conducted openly. But I'm going to answer, I'm going to quickly point some things out, which has not been established. The fact that somebody is a supervise minister or is accountable, is responsible for some ministries or government departments, is not enough reason to directly accuse him of corruption or of wrongdoing when the actual substance of a crime has not been established. You made a statement earlier that I don't want to go to the first, the language he used. I'm not going to go into that space with you. But I'll tell you one thing. If you have conscience, you will agree with me that when you want to enlarge, even to have your facts beyond mere saying, beyond grandstanding, when it is obvious that what you are doing is sensationalising. You are not even doing your own work to establish a crime, but you are making the noise. Yes. He already explained that this money was actually in the U.S. before. He brought money back to Nigeria. But before he became, that was before he became the minister. And when he became, he only was about to become a minister, he requested and wrote letters to the authorities that he said to him. We have to go, we have to go. I'm sorry, your one minute is over and we have to wrap it up. We have to wrap it up. I'm going one statement, in one sentence, do we see this being pursued or is this just one of those things that is swept under the carpet being that this is a minister who's in government and of course the next government that's going to be sworn in is the APC? Do we see this issue being pursued to the latter in one statement please? We are not sure, we are not sure about the APC government being sworn in yet. But like I said before, we have to go. We have to go. We have to go. We have to go. I'm so sorry gentlemen, we have to go. We have to go. I'm so sorry we cannot be unruly tonight. No, this is not going to happen. We're not having a conversation. Everybody's barking at each other and we're not having a conversation. Unfortunately guys, and that's our time. I want to say thank you. I did it, I did it by you. I did it through the assistant director, the ASPRA, my mobilisation and allied matters about your state APC, PCC and Honourable Angle, Angle Public Affairs Analyst and member of the People's Democratic Party. Thank you so much for being part of the conversation. We apologise for the behaviour of our guest. My name is Mary Annick and we'll be back tomorrow talking for development. Have a good evening.