 right so much for mapping lonely okay so was our motion I did okay I had a question that in the bank we have a fund that belongs to the Planning Commission that's had a thousand dollars sitting in it I guess for quite some time why isn't that money got it there's one less there's one less fun we have to worry about yeah yeah okay I mean oh yeah you heard that right Paddy Paddy doesn't Paddy doesn't like funds I mean opposed okay review of latest 2019 town plan draft with input planning Commission representative to attend yeah bitch is supposed to be here so if you guys you might want to skip over let's keep going treasure support well I was just going to report on that you guys all have the pack very grand list so you know the summary on that the other thing I have an insurance bill here for DNL for Welch Park that we received April 28th they want an old Johnson wants him money five eight I mean anymore but that should be I think I responded to Sarah he should sign that paperwork this isn't a this isn't a yeah okay this isn't a so who authorizes the payment him I would say so I mean well we pay their bills no we pay their bills and then collect so it's on my war so authorizing it we can authorize the payment I just don't think we should be signing that okay stupid fee thing that they that they sent out now if he's not around I guess I can sign it as a member of the Welch Park board but not as the chairman of the yeah well it's just setting sherds signature so it's all that you can actually sit right that's all it says so I don't know what the car will say you've changed the car a little driving crazy well I'm just I'm gonna put Welch Park board on your money how long is the bill how much is the bill yeah it's the DNL for what you are this is this is just a fee agreement that the brokers charging a hundred-dollar fee and they need a sign this is I think two or three of us exactly what it is no you got a little work to do on the I'm sure I went through that okay I mean I don't know what you might want to give them a lot and then they can decide right want to so you just actually you have a better handle on it then so we're gonna have we're gonna have an issue with the morning that was voted on at town meeting regarding the first tax payment being on August 20th we're not gonna be able to make it with the in the best case scenario with these unified union school district budget we're just not there's just no way we're gonna be able to get tax bills payable by August 20th we have to have 30 days between the time that we issue the bill versus the time to pay it and we have an election on the 21st of May for the board for the new school directors they've got to be able to put together a budget as soon as possible in the best case scenario they're able to put together the budget by the 24th of the 27th they're looking at probably leaving 30 days to warn a budget vote so that's assuming I can put the budget together in two days right and then the school district is looking at a June 25th budget if that budget passes we need to wait 30 days for any challenges even if the stake and dummy up a tax rate for us and the board can meet kind of get an idea about what's going on the earliest we possibly could republish a bill produce bills would be voted on like July 21 July 30th and then like let's get out July 31st we have people have would have until August 30th to pay their tax bills taxes would not be due by August 20th it couldn't be due by August 20th the earliest they could possibly do is August 30th so the question is how do we handle this I'm glad you said that all four we handle it so I've been I've been I've been thinking about this and I think what we do is when we would normally be sending out the tax bills which would be in second week in July or something like that we send out a notice and say due to the fact that the school budget is still in process we don't anticipate that we will have tax bills available until such at such a date and the due date of the first quarterly installment will be x what so what I don't know is let me just what I don't know is if we can just do that or we have to have this is where I'm here to help all right I talked to the Secretary of State's office and they said that if the voters warned the meetings with a specific date and time we have to have a vote to rescind that it was way out so we have to have yet another election because Patty's thinking that maybe because we're going beyond we're not like moving the deadline up we were extending it that maybe we might be able to get away with I'm gonna call them remotely the cities and towns the Secretary that's the Secretary of State's answer I suppose we can go to BLC or a lawyer but his is there there I mean I can see they're a logic what we just assess town taxes because they're so small but that would meet the date criteria the school doesn't have anything available and when they do like are in the next quarter we'll then throw theirs in well the other the other idea the other idea I had which is the real nightmare scenario is we send out a tax bill with last year's tax rate and so you're gonna get an amended tax bill and the other problem to your suggestion is we deal with so many banks and escrow companies yeah can you imagine that what they'll do is change everybody's escrow if they get right it's gonna be in you couldn't do that I mean there's there's gonna be a lot of talk and action about this in the next 30 or 60 days we're not the only ones beyond right so maybe the Secretary of State will come out with some special proclamation that we can just extend the date well I just hate the I just hate the prospect of yet one more election that people don't understand what happens what happens if we have an election and they turn it down then what they're confused and don't understand so they just say we don't want to do this right but what you can't just extend that tax due date that first payment why that's what they're saying that's what the voters the town voters voted for that day well now we have to keep that in mind when we do our warnings for next year or some day they're after whatever day we get forced I think it's gonna be whatever it is but you know if the worst case is that we have to have a vote maybe we can combine it with one of these other votes we're also gonna need to be we're also gonna need to warn that 30 days ourselves so you know it's summer people have vacation schedules you know stuff's gonna happen where was that I mean it was just a treasure's report treasure's report because it just barely came up oh we've already passed well we did because mitzvah right here so now so you're you're our designated representative lucky you that me okay so let's go back and so just to back up a little bit before we start this we don't have the time tonight to do an exhaustive analysis of this but if there are any obvious changes that should be made for the meeting Thursday right Thursday yeah you know this is the time to this is the time to make them and you know we're gonna have yet another chance to go through this the town plan the town plan but the better we can do at having the town plan as good as it can be for the first hearing the better it is so I did I did force myself to sit down for three hours today well it was painful and I get to three pages and got and and got through it and I have a series of things Mitch that I would say are very minor things that I would just quickly go through okay but I have a couple that I think are pretty important and I don't know if somebody else wants to start or I'm not happy to start so the important ones that I came up with was the school section needs to be redone to reflect the current reality and whether you just put in a paragraph and say you know subsequent to the first draft this has happened there's still the possibility that the legislature might change you know something because it just right now it doesn't at all reflect what's going on in the wind and I think we realized that that was in flux and we just want to get something on paper no that's that's fine they're all but all I'm saying is and I'm not saying you necessarily have to have to do this before before Thursday but when you're going through it to say to people obviously the school section needs to be substantially and the other big thing that jumped out of me big thing was that the maps are impossible to see your decipher not the ones so much in the appendix those were better but the ones that are in the body of the plan so I wonder if it wouldn't be better just because if they're bigger they're clearer and I you probably don't want to insert a page in the middle of the plan but just refer to the appendix and put the maps all in the appendix I don't know if anybody else felt that they were very difficult I didn't bother looking at them and if you print them off in black and white then then you can't then they're totally work because they're all different shades of gray yeah on that point there's something where they talk about priority areas and I think it's in there I didn't understand this at all I'm just looking to see if I can find it one of those like this map maybe it's here in page 34 state of Vermont natural resources highest priority priority I don't know priority for what I mean just kind of comes up and I said what does this mean I mean if I can't figure it out then I figure wasn't that the fishing forest and fields yeah so that was the that was the upgrading of the dreams which we talked about yeah but it should be clear in the town plan so everybody can understand what it is I just think it needs a little more exponent explanation this one on page 34 for us in the fields 2.2 33 age 33 because you said 34 twice just a really confused us well that's because I first found what I was looking for so let me just a couple of other quick things here so on page 18 it says 26% say that the lack of ethnic diversity in middle sex is the most pressing issue then when you see the chart at the end doesn't say the same thing so you know the other thing that the other thing that that I found challenging was figuring out where the data came from so sometimes you say you know this is this is where it came from but is it you know is it the town survey is it is it from the vision of middle sex yeah or the right yeah those are the two most quoted portions so yeah but I mean to me number one it was a surprise that to me that that was the most pressing issue but if that's what the survey says and then it should say according to the survey which is 300 people yeah and so 16% so that that's surprise there's also someplace else where you say quoting perhaps the same source that the highest priority is something else like transportation well they're different highest priorities in different sections right which is fine but yeah I just found it confusing it's used highest priority for two or three different things and she could clarify then I can't tell you the site would be referring to different questions and survey I I'd have to write that much carefully but you should care yeah because I can't remember how the survey was done so here here again and this this is just a quick end page 48 there's the chart of the of the town land and I didn't like that on the 14.75 acres BLR and garage it says school use I think it should say community use good point I mean to me yes the school uses it but it isn't first yeah what I mean that's town property not school problem that's that's the point yeah in the in the written section it says that right but it doesn't reflect it on there and then the other thing I thought was a little weird in that chart is two-thirds of the way down it says four acres north branch portal road should say north branch cemetery should say cemetery under the description I noticed that right yeah right in the chart that's all right that's what I'm here for got a memorized page 49 I can remember these pages I have a hard time wrote down my notes because I was reading it on my iPad so I couldn't you know it's a PDF you can't well Mitch has to add stuff about the duties of programs on 49 right that's fine the other thing on 49 is somewhere on 49 says that the recreational facilities are maintained by the rec committee look at that let's let's zip that there no longer is a recommended page 51 I have to say I really enjoyed reading this a lot of stuff in here there's a lot of stuff we've been working on piecemeal and it's really nice to read it all together I will definitely report that positive feedback well you know I it shouldn't just all be negative this is a negative this is more in the line of just so here's a question though so on on page 49 strategy 48 says identify potential trailroads that can serve a safer and more inviting transportation corridors that pedestrians like or skiers that I can use to get around town fine with that for example an off-the-road path from the Romney school to the village excuse me sounds like a town highway I mean that just how are you how in the world are you gonna find your way from I'm gonna do it I think that's a mistake don't want to say to rights bill I think it is in my mind feasible to create a path from the school to rights yeah I think yeah there's been the trails group has talked about some dreamy aspirational things about connecting different parts of the town but well I just a school that's a that's a strategy we got a lot of other things to worry about before we start doing that so I would all that one I don't see where the four examples are you so no no no speak up no I was just gonna say I personally at least we're talking about this at the end of the meeting the other night I personally would like to acknowledge that I have a concern as a select board member on my old draft for 11 page 26 about whereas as middle sex is an attractive location with proximity to the state capitol blah blah blah the town currently has no concerns regarding vacation homes or temporary rentals of homes so I feel like with the rise of Airbnb that's not something we want to leave for the next five years of not acknowledging that's happening eight years yeah right I think we need to say something about that like we are exploring how Airbnb and other rentals are affecting our property taxes could be roads it could be well use of our infrastructure yeah so I don't want to leave that yeah but we are aware yeah not that we don't have any concerns okay I know it's not that it's just I have just little typos and spelling stuff that I just dropped that off I'm not gonna like tell everyone I'm just gonna give you my email yeah or just give to me that yeah I'd rather do that then there's gonna be dozens of those yeah I figured we caught a lot and there's so many more to be great I cut one too but it's the one where you say as well as and then I didn't have a lot of time Steve knows I'd only read 33 page I'm just funny yeah when I saw him yesterday afternoon okay so page page 54 prohibits I didn't think there was any acknowledgement of the work that the select board had done on town roads when you're talking about class 4 class 3 and stuff like that I just my note says no acknowledgement of work by select board I just think it acts as if we have just kind of we're letting them all fall by the wayside and we didn't take an active role to assess and we downgraded some from 3s to 4s I just think that might be added in sorry Peter knows okay no I'm finding my place so on page 54 I know this is something we talked about a while ago we're talking about where you cannot where it's prohibited to have solar farms or commercial wind and I think it is appropriate the land over 1500 feet thing and 1400 feet for doubling out that's good 25% slopes is a question for me because before but between blocking out the land 1500 feet which is a lot of our town and then somewhere in there it says 30% of the town the slopes are more than 25% I mean you could have a slope right here which is 25% yeah and you're gonna say you can't put a windmill there if you want to so I don't think that's the right thing to say okay I would just delete it but again I don't know how everybody else feels about that I agree with that I mean we should have control of where they go we should have control where they go but there's a lot of land that it's on slope but I just I just don't like where it says and not it doesn't say must be reviewed must be carefully considered you know anything like that it just says no so right I don't think that's right yeah I'll make sure we take a look at that as well believe it or not I am getting there the page 57 it says in the village new roads and curb cuts will be prohibited I saw I saw that too and I said cheese if we're encouraging how are we gonna develop the village if we can't have a new curb cut or potentially a new right somewhere if we need one yeah we're just sitting like didn't sound right to me because they're saying the future development should be served by the existing road and curb cut right yeah yeah well I mean the curb cuts is because I know all this stuff is is gonna you know let's say let's say let's say Welsh Park needs another little road or some I mean there isn't a lot of room for additional roads I admit but but just to say there can't be any no matter what well I think it's the curb cut is more significant this is well I think we just I think it shouldn't say that they're probably about it or whatever it's right so you know this isn't the zoning this is the town plan which lends itself to that zoning well it's gonna lead to it yeah and then they're gonna say oh your zoning doesn't conform with your town plan whereas through most of this you're you're saying that you really want the development in the village and it's encouraged and right that's good catch to go who addressed that I'm getting close 59 it talks about people wanting more paved roads which is fine people can want more paper over thinking what it doesn't say though which it should say is these requests have been considered by the select board over the years and the cost is prohibited to a pave the road and be maintained also why is it that you didn't have any statistics for that statement you did this survey when it says been frequently discussed give me that one again how come you don't have a survey question or something 28% wasn't on the survey I wasn't on the survey good answer wasn't in the visual middle sex either I don't I don't remember the survey evolved over a long period of time and we can ask questions that I just want the money issue to be out there because that's that's the big it that's the big issue page 61 Phil you're up it doesn't discuss your efforts towards promoting broadband well it should because that's yeah and it should say that how many town 17 collaboration so I don't know if you can give Mitch a little paragraph that could be inserted there I think it should be in there I think it should say somewhere on page 62 they anticipated that once the new town plan is approved the next task for the town is to update the zoning regulations doesn't expressly say that in there says they're updated from time to time or something like that and also says the last time they were updated is 15 I think it said which was true I think I think actually the zoning regulations were updated in like January 2017 right before I became the zoning administrator we did some minor edits we didn't do what we didn't do right here okay the cover letter said adopted I didn't look to see how right no no we did so I forget what we did but we did some minor might have all money correct and stuff yep I am finished we looked at the question of implementing what's called an enhanced energy plan and what we found out from the state is that it's going to take nine to twelve months to do a good job on that and what we mentioned someplace in here is that we intend to adopt an enhanced energy plan but it's not going to be part of this town plan we'll amend the town plan when we craft that yeah but enhanced energy plan updating zoning regulations those will be the two things down the road yes in addition to the zoning regulations I assume you're going to look at the zones themselves the location of that part of the part of the regulations yes yes and that was what when we when we did the zoning regulations the last time we decided not to do that and we said that really needs to be done and we should do it the next time and that is where I see the big one of the big scraps is coming the master the or what's in the map condition the math so you know what should be conservation what should be rural residential what should be you know I mean it's going to be that it's going to be the mixed use you know you don't where the action is going to be village did anybody throughout this they talk about one acre I mean one acre minimums two acres minimums five acre did that cause concern to anybody or is that in compliance with what we currently have in our zoning rigs it shows it shows in this document shows how our zoning regulations currently lay out the different districts yeah just a brief yeah but it says yeah you know so many acres such a density you know what the overview doesn't say what's permitted in those I know but does anybody have a question about that Mary they're going to be when we get into the zoning regulations that's going to be a whole different following it's in this town plan that we can't change it after the town plans it off right no that is not that is not specified in the town plan it's specified in the zoning regulations oh so it just says in the plan what the zoning regulations currently set oh so they don't they don't suggest no okay well I have one other question it says not that I'm in favor of this strategy 65 on page 63 it's avoid strip development development around the interchange yeah I look at that I just couldn't find anything where you discussed it really that when you had this discussion you never mentioned that all of a sudden it's a strategy and I'm not opposed to it I mean I don't want it to look like the very mountain road but it was kind of where did you come from other than especially if you can't have any new roads or curb cuts how are you gonna have anything but stripped you know I don't want to have a cracker barrel isn't that what is he once recommended yeah but you can have a cracker barrel on the strips anyway anyway all I'm saying is I'm sorry if you're gonna have it if you're gonna have it in I mean there's I think there should be a little bit of discussion I got to that strategy your point so does anyone else have any I have some other minor stuff but it's well what I would suggest if you have minor stuff or any other thoughts so mentioned yeah okay that's great it looks like a lot of work though okay so we have this board of abatement here important for other business yeah we just have we have a board of abatement because we have to break now to go to those things hi so oh no no I just was under the other business oh the yeah we just things got screwed up okay so not tonight so I think many I'm Mary Skinner hi I'm Sonia Gron I live on Culver Hill so I think Liz had put out something on our little local hill thing asking about road conditions and my concern was not really so much road conditions was access from Culver Hill onto route 12 the intersection yeah so I did talk with somebody at the agency of transportation and they said you know you got to really start at your select board level where the select yeah I know well anyways I'm not gonna get into the state issues but I think many of our concerns are the rate of speed that is coming from Worcester yeah so I understand that but why is the state say you have to start with us because it's a state highway it is a state highway but because it abuts a town so they want us to complain about this video I'm just like you know or signs I don't know I mean I don't know so I just want authority to put signs in the state right away when you're coming off shady rail either way you got a yeah but at least coming off shady rail you can see if you're gonna take a left or you can take you can see if you're gonna take a right I was gonna try and go down there and see if I think I said it to you Sarah see if we got the state to cut trees or do whatever to improve the sidelines right right right that would go a long way toward solving that problem be the speeding issue that's that's out of your hands I understand that's in and Kimboldock who's their town rep for state police was gonna actually talk to them about that but I know years ago they stopped the bus from going even the U32 bus taking a right-hand turn up or Culver Hill because Dave Dennis had it there was an accident down there so I have not had issues in the past I witnessed a close call the other day and I had a close call the other day this morning okay you see and it's every day it is extremely dangerous and the people get really really angry with you and they'll ride your tail all the way into my player which is fine with me I don't know actually right now it's the clearest you're gonna see it because there's no grass and there's no snow yeah there's no other are there improvements that could be made within the state right away though to make the sidelines better if they created a thing you could mow and cut trees I like to give a mirror to the real issue is that there's a hill so people are coming up a hill and they just come up in the intersecting really quickly the only sign to that's coming from Worcester is the T that shows you can either go straight or you can take a right hand turn that's on there but you see it from over you don't see it you don't was there yeah coming from Worcester you just I guess the message is and you know I'm speaking to the select board you know that they would have to agree but we'll support and do whatever you need us to do the state if we can figure out what it is for what it is we're asking for the speed thing obviously we're asking for all the time and I got a call about a year ago my guy who was working for the boys not this and they were looking for I problems on route 12 and I said to him the access problem with going into people going into the cross from where shady real is they go into play they're pulling in and out of there all the time why don't I try to hunt him down and give him a call and say yeah and this is a major issue in the street limit there we're not under here and if your car doesn't have a lot of pickup like that's fine I mean I just we're I'm trying to bring it out before there's a major okay it isn't like Liz has been silent on this issue well I wish more would be so if you need she won't let us forget I will thank you so just for just for form to start things off and we'll have our little little election but I will call the board of the Bateman hearing order 17 minutes 17 minutes of welcome everyone I think it would be helpful for all of us to go around the room and introduce ourselves I'm Peter Hood I'm a member of the select board and the chairman I may be the chairman of this group but I'm not that yet anyway I'm Liz sure and the board of the Bateman sorry yes I'm Sarah Merriman on the town clerk and I'm also a slight board assistant but I also have to be on the board of the Bateman there you go I'm Davey Grieberger attorney the mom oh okay Eric Young, Lister, board of the Bateman, Amy Whitehorn, Lister, board of the Bateman, Dick Alderman, Mary Skinner, member of the board of the Bateman Phil Hayett, select board and board of the Bateman, Steve Martin, select board board of the Bateman, Derinda Crowell, Treasurer and board of the Bateman and are there any amendments to the agenda so we next need to have our organizational meeting and we need to designate the chair are any nominations I nominate Peter Hood. I'll second you. Are there any other nominations? Who have nominations for close? All those in favor of Peter Hood to be chairman please say aye. Aye. Any opposed? Okay there we go. All right so now we are to the hearing of Francis Cannon's request to abate the penalties and interest owed on 2015 and 2016 taxes accrued on his property at 531 Center Road so you want to amend that? Yes, we would like to amend that. That request? The request is to amend it to include the taxes that were actually due to my client came in who didn't quite understand the process and didn't see why she was getting all these extra charges but I would like to explain why none of it got paid. It wasn't included in our request. I didn't. We realized that but we sent it when we first got the notice and then we inquired and realized there was a need to extend that which she wishes to amend that. What is it you're trying to amend? So the request was the written request for the hearing asked for the penalties and interest to be abated and now they're saying they want to amend their request to also abate the taxes. The 2015-2016 taxes. Right. Not the 2018 taxes. So you want to amend it to include not just the penalties and interest but also the 2015-16 taxes. The taxes themselves. Yes. So what about the payment that came in for the 2018 taxes? There's no payment, there's no interest in penalties on that. Do you want to amend it to include the penalties and interest on the 2018 taxes? That's her request. That's her request. That is the request. Yes. So wait a minute. We've increased the amount of the requested abatement at least fivefold here. Right. This is a big change. This isn't a little change. So if we're going to do this and consider this tonight I think we need a motion to agree to change the request. You don't? This is not that type of hearing. This is not that. They can make a request. They can request whatever they want. You can request that. No, it's not a slug hearing. So you know it was warned for one thing. It's a quasi-judiciary. Yeah, but on the other hand, you know, you're not allowed to at the very last minute just change the relief you requested. I mean there's been no notice to the board of abatement that this is going to be substantially different. And I think it goes to the discretion of the board whether to allow it. Well, that's true. But I mean, you know, like, you know, you come in and say Penelope's interest and suddenly it's all the taxes and I mean it's substantially different. I mean, I don't know if you guys are prepared to argue that, but I didn't prepare for that issue. There's one number in the board. If it's quasi-judicial, that's the judicial approach. It's the same reason for both. Huge change, that's all I'm saying. I don't know the, I don't know, I have no calculation of what the amount of money is, but Penelope's an interest or one thing, abating all the taxes is another thing. Do you have a sure of that? Is it in the package? I included all the tax history in the package. Did you include anything in the package? Yes. Did you include anything about the statutory mandate of the board of abatement? I have the board of abatement. That was in that handbook. That's in the handbook. And it says, you know, it's actually, it's copied right here. It says taxes, except this is, as you probably know, taxes or charges in which there is a man and best error. And that is what the board can debate in deliberation whether or not that meets that call. That's actually right there, Mary, in here. This is, it states the statutes. And the form that you get. $430.30. So everybody can hear? Don't you have one? No. I just had the agenda. Okay. This is just the agenda. Okay. So for including taxes and interest for the year 2015 is $1,257.50. For 2016 it is $822.78. And for 2018 it's interest and penalty of, I didn't add those. That's for $232.72. Senator, would you mind repeating the three numbers again? 2015 includes the taxes, interest and penalty, and that amounts to $1,257.50. For 2016 that includes taxes, penalty and interest in the amount of $822.78. And then for 2018 they paid the principal on May 1st, so there is $232.72 left in penalty and interest. How much of the 2015 is tax? The principal for taxes is $994.08. On 2016? $680.290. So how do we want to proceed? I say we hear the issue. Let them present their case. And again, I think as Mary said, you know, it really is at our discretion. So I think we should get the facts, how it arrived here, and then ask further questions. I guess that's fine with me. I mean, there's nothing any of us I don't think would have done any differently had we known that the request was different. As unsettling as it is. This handbook has a procedural, you know, the way to go. I know, I know. Don't wave it at me, please. So what we're, what you're saying is we're handling it the right way, Sarah, in your opinion, right? If we go ahead. Still suggestions. They present, you ask questions, they leave, you decide whether or not to deliberate in public or in private. Right, yep. That's pretty much it. Pretty basic. So with that, we are ready to hear from you folks. Is it all right if I tell you what our case is? Would you swear in witness? I can tell you what I'm doing. I don't think we're going to swear to you. You can go ahead and tell us. This is, it's unfortunate, but I did the title search. I do title search myself. So I came here and I don't come here often. I'm usually up in the county or Franklin County and did the title search. I noticed in the land records from my, and I got back up to my attorney's opinion that the Bisonettes had a history of not paying taxes on time. So I then found, I went looking through and I found that actually the town had foreclosed on them. And then, but I found that finally they recorded in the land records was a notice of redemption that I guess they brought themselves current. Got me a little nervous. Then I didn't know how you do the taxes here. A lot of times there's a book with delinquent taxes in it. So I went to a person here and I don't know if Mary Keigh is the person. She's the assistant clerk. And I went to her and said, I'm concerned about delinquent taxes here. Have the Bisonettes pay their taxes. How do you go about doing it in your office? And she said, I can give you a printout. So she gave me this printout. I have a couple copies that will be helpful. But I gave her that printout and she showed me that 2017 on they have paid everything and everything is current. And I said, so that means they don't own anything. And she said, yes, that's the report. That's how I proceeded. I then asked her that. I wrote down in my attorney's opinion on the front page, taxes paid through 2018, which is what she told me. So I went back feeling comfortable. Are we supposed to distribute this? You can. Those are three pages. They're all the same. And I made my notes to know that because I always do to make sure I'm covering my own but to make sure that I check if there's delinquent taxes. So that's what I did. And then I never heard anything about it. In the meantime, apparently they hadn't paid their taxes and delinquent notices were going out. The evidence we have is going to Francis Cannon, the new owner. It lately wrote in Colchester, which apparently is the Bisonettes. That's not how they've been going out. Well, I don't know if someone wrote. That's the latest one that just we tried to send out. To the Bisonettes? They've been going out. Taxi notices go out once a month. To the Bisonettes. I can give you copies of them. But it didn't go to my client. We had no address on your client up until two weeks ago. Well, that would be her basis. She never got noticed. Hold on. I want to clarify something. You must know that the law states whoever owns the property on April 1st gets the taxes correct. I know that and she's now paid it. I'm just telling you she didn't know because she didn't receive it. But that bill went to that. That pertains to a bill that the Bisonettes, they needed to pay. Right, but the Bisonettes. Didn't know they owed it because at least they didn't admit to it in the closing. I don't represent the Bisonettes. I went to a closing with a printout showing my clients. Sir, why should that be our problem? One is, well, which year? You're talking 2018? No, we're talking about what you want to have made it. I would ask that certainly the interest and the penalties, and my client would like to amend it, and she filled out the application. The taxes, I was told by this office and given a printout that they are now current on their taxes. I asked for a printout. I was told it was done via printouts. Who gave you the printout? Someone up in the top corner, Mary something came. Marika. Told me that the, now I remember that now that I see that this is the clerk, that she wasn't here but she could help me with the taxes because I was concerned about it. I said, do I go to the tax collector to find out? And she said, I can just get you a printout of what they have. So why would this printout print out? Because it's only printing out for the year 2017. But I asked for, are they delinquent taxes in for the clerk to tell me that, well, there, I'll get you a printout to show you what taxes are doing on delinquencies and then not say, I could have gone back even farther. That's why I approached who was here. Could you tell me how I find out if the senets are paying their taxes or is there a delinquency? She handed me that. Which clearly says tax year 2017. Right. Which would mean, she's telling me that shows that they're current and I said, so what are they current to? And she says, they're paying through 630-18 the taxes on this property. So I felt comfortable having dealt with this person who said, this is how you find out about delinquent taxes. When she hands me a printout, that I can go back and say, here's the printout, there's nothing to show in the past, she's current. Now I find out that there's an extensive printout that she could have given me that she didn't. That's why I was- Did she ever refer you to the delinquent tax collector? No, she said something like the person wasn't there that day. This was, but she could get it. I was here on April 11th, 2018. So she said, I can help you out with the delinquent taxes and that's what she gave me. So I'm saying as a basis, even if you don't agree with the taxes on the amendment, that certainly the penalties and the interest are not fair for those years when my client was relying on me saying, I checked with the town, I know there's no delinquency. I asked them, I said, we sort of joked about the bisonettes. There was all sorts of stuff in our land records about failure to pay things we're doing and everything. And then yet, and even a foreclosure, but now things were cool. Did the bisonettes and their attorney certify a closing that the taxes were paid today? They don't certify anything. They just looked at the closing statement and say it's accurate and sign off on it. And I've since written the attorney and he goes, I don't know where the bisonettes are anymore. And you also- So he's taking our responsibility. So this is dated 411. Taxes for 2018 aren't even issued on 411. Correct. So there again, how would we have been able to mail a tax bill to- I don't know. But and it clearly states and it's VSA 32, VSA 3651, the owner as of April 1, which was the bisonettes, remains liable for the year's taxes regardless of subsequent conveyances. This was conveyed after April 1. So the owner of record, which follows the property, is the one that should have been taken care of. And that's- That's what you said the notice to, right, the bisonettes? Every single month I can give you year's worth of copies. I can't speak for the bisonettes. I'm just saying it is, to me, it's inequitable to charge this person interest in penalties. When I came in here to ask, is there interest in penalty zone and told here, here's a printout, there are none. And now they're being told to pay interest in penalties. Whether you want to do the principle, I would hope that that would be the case too. I can't- The current bill that did not get paid, unfortunately, you didn't have a correct address. You weren't provided a correct address. That's up to you. She's now paid the principle. I think she was just talking about that. I'm most concerned with charging taxes interest in principle when I came in here and specifically asked, could you tell me and give me a printout after she told me that's the way it's done and give me one for this property. And she says, here it is. Otherwise, I would have demanded that the people pay it a closing, that you won't do it when taxes pay it. Now, they're telling me they don't know where they are and their attorneys tell me not my problem. Was this a private closing? Yes. And you were the closing attorney? I was the closing attorney. And when was that? This was April 20th of 2018. There's also three owners on this property as well, prior. It was the Bisonettes, Russell Daigle and Robert Whitton. So, I can't believe all three people have disappeared. I'm going to have to find out where they are. That's not going to be an easy task. They're going to have a feeling, given their history dealing with the town, they're going to tell me something in polite. So, I have a couple of questions. This is something that I deal with all the time. The first thing is, when was the closing for this? What was the exact date? April 20th. And so, the last time you contacted the office was April 11th. I was here on April 11th. Did you contact the office between April 11th and April 20th to ask if anything else had been filed? We called in about, yes, about late, about unrecorded documents had come in since the 11th. We do that after each closing. I didn't ask again about taxes because I was told that they were already paid through June 30th of 2018. Okay. So, a couple of other things. You knew the property had, was it problematic? I can't answer for what Marika did or what question was asked or what happened there. But I can tell you that, so you say that you knew it was a problematic tax property, right? So, you knew the land records, but then I saw on page 99 to 56 that a notice of redemption had been filed for paying delinquent taxes. Right. And then that made me suspicious that I should ask someone here, how does it work here? How do I find out if she's paid all her taxes? And she said, you get a print out and that's what she gave me. I was assuming that she must not give me the whole history of zeros for previous years, for that year, and that's the total. But didn't you notice, David, that the redemption was 4 to 12 so that the difference between 12 and... And that's why I asked, if you had a book here that shows me, but that's why I asked how have they done since are there delinquent taxes and was said I can help you and get you a print out to show you any delinquent taxes and that's what she handed me in response to that. She asked to go on your computer. I wasn't going to go on your computer and find out about previous years that were before when I was there. She told me that that was the print out showing when they were current, she said, through 6, 30, 18. She also told you, you said earlier that the delinquent tax collector was not in the office that day. She said she could tell me what the delinquent taxes were. Did she tell you the tax collector was not in that day? I believe she said that she wasn't there or it was lunch hour or something. I said, well, how do I find out? She said, I can tell you and went and got me the information. So, David, in this application was filed by Francis Kennedy. Are you Francis Kennedy? He said, I'm trying to bring a suit against him which is waking me up financially. This is something that we were writing about. This was the first time we had seen the notice and this is not the case. Do you have a property? Okay, can we hear from you? I advised her. I understand that you're wrong but he's the owner of the property. Can we hear from you, please? I answered Mary's question. I said in your application you wrote, I am trying to bring a suit against him and I'm just, is him David? Goldberg? Greenberg. Yeah, it's actually, his name is written incorrectly on the first page. It's written as Greenwood and Greenberg. Yes, so I will admit that the notice for delinquent taxes shocked me a lot about needing advice from my mother. She helped me write this notice. So when I received this alarming notice for $4,639 this is the first thing that I have seen about taxes since I bought the property. So however many letters were sent out and I'm getting to your question in my colleges however many letters were sent out for notices to pay taxes I was waiting for those letters. The address is 30 Spring Street, Burlington, Vermont. My apologies if that was not communicated. It's written on one of the closing documents but I don't know which document. Okay, well however my apologies for that. I don't know which document it is but there has never been a mailbox on the property that I bought. It's a camp. There's no mailing address. So whatever source of the reason for confusion or loss or sent back I was not aware of it. How are we supposed to contact you if you don't give an address on a document filed in the land records? I'm not sure. This is the first property that I owned. My official address and mailing address has been the same for many years. It's my voting address. I'm not saying that you're not there. All I'm saying is how are we as a town should send you bills if we don't do you or your attorney or your mother or whoever don't file something with the town so we can find you. So typically Francis when if I may call you Francis when your attorney files the property of transfer tax return they are responsible for filing that and for putting your correct address on that paperwork. That address is the town books and not our responsibility to chase you down. And so if someone you've hired potentially didn't put the right information on the paperwork that is not the result of the town's responsibility or anything like that. That is entirely the responsibility of the person who was charged with filing that document a tax document. So you mentioned your voter address is Spring Street and if that is your legal address the person who filed that paperwork on your behalf or for you should have had that information and quite frankly it sounds like that is very much linked to the source of this problem for you. I also just want to go over the statutes. So this is these are what abatement is allowed. Okay. The board may abate the whole report. Taxes, interests, blah, blah, blah. Other than those arising as the corrected classification of or non-essential property that doesn't apply to us in the following cases. Taxes of persons who have died and solved them. You have not died and solved them. Taxes of persons who have been removed from the state. You have not been removed from the state. Taxes of persons who are unable to pay their taxes are destroyed during the tax year. Again, not happens. Then there's something about people who file an exemption or claim on before May or after it's a bet thing. Taxes upon a mobile home from a town during the tax year is a result of the change in the mobile home part. Boards of abatement of amount of tax will automatically abate to any collective interest or fees relating to amount. That's just talking about how to collect. So I think the issue is for us as a board and of course the board is going to decide whether or not to hold its deliberations in private or public. At least I as a member of the board of abatement and not seeing a situation where you fall into this category statutorily. I have to ask a question. I'm really sorry if I advise my daughter poorly about everything but this is all new to us. I've done real estate for a long time and it seems like there was a communication between clerk's office and lawyer and it seems like there was an error made. It seems like the person married K.E.G. was not forthright in the transaction. I don't know if that's included in the abatement but it's something about the statute yourself. So she makes some mistakes. It's still a good job. Well I mean I have different opinions about that and I think maybe the board's going to discuss about herself to talk about Marika's and Greenberg. Then we're going to have to have Marika into a hearing. It's not fair for everyone to talk about the hearsay what she said and didn't say. I agree. I know she's a very trusted member of our town of middle sex personnel and I'm just not going to sit here and make a decision when Marika didn't know that this was coming up. Marika wasn't asked to relate anything about it. Well I think ultimately the question comes back to can the board of abatement have the ability to bait this because there was an error during closing? Sorry. But I don't think it's in the statute. There wasn't an error during closing. Well can you find a statute though? $393.30 of interest and penalties that was charged. That's what I think. Can you direct me to a statute that will give this board the power to do that? It will be up to them whether they want to sue the town over $393.30 for negligently giving out of the mountain. I think this isn't just a... You're going to sue the town? No, I'm just saying that's what's so ridiculous there. Asking for the town's cooperation, certainly I was for $39.30 that they have been charged of interest and penalties because someone here gave me the wrong information. I got that print out. Unfortunately, sir, I think you're at the wrong forum. That is the state statute doesn't address your issue at all. And it is difficult to hear you continue to disparage potentially the words of someone who is a president, especially given the stature of that person in our town and the detail with which that person is known for completing tasks. So if the question were posed, for example, are there any taxes laid on this property? The presumption might have been. I'm asking for the current tax year in which case the current tax year information was apparently provided to you. But we were not there. There is no recording. We do not know what your questions were. What I am saying to you is that you are in a pickle because it sounds like the complaint or request doesn't rise to the level of an abatement in the first place. And secondly, that if had I been in your shoes, I probably would have followed up with the film context collector, especially respectfully. As you say, you've done this sort of work for many years. I don't think I would have simply taken at face value one piece of paper on a day, nine days prior to a closing on a property with a first time home buyer who is looking to me to be someone who they can respect unless there's more facts to be presented. I recommend we go into private deliberations now. May I ask a quick question? Or is that not the question there? So, certainly there are the two questions of the delinquent taxes owed by these events. That's my understanding. Am I still charged to pay those? Taxes follow the property. They are a lien. They follow the property. I don't know what happens when you have a lien against the property. It's not going to be subject to a tax sale, is it? Of course it is. Could be. Absolutely. I believe that might have been written. I don't know. I try to give people after so many warnings, I try to tell them avoid attorney fees, avoid these extra fees because they won't go to tax sale. I mean this is how the town works on this tax money bill. So, I think the issue was here. If this is the wrong venue, this board doesn't have the authority to act. That's pretty black and white to me. I mean that doesn't mean you don't have the right to sue the town. Certainly you can sue the town. I understand that but I'm just saying we can't just say okay there's a chance that our employee made a mistake so we're just going to say everything's okay and make it go away. That's a very sensitive mistake of the Listers when someone acting on their behalf says I can give you, I can give you. You wasn't asking that on behalf of the Listers. The Listers are not tax collectors for the town. We assess the value of properties. Okay, I'm just putting on the case. The law board sets the tax rate and our treasurer and tax collector collects the funds. I mean you folks have to have a decision to make because I'm not trying to give you a hard time but I agree. I mean and I'm not an attorney but I wouldn't I wouldn't walk in the office and accept a print out from somebody who A wasn't the town clerk. B certainly wasn't the town treasurer delinquent tax collector and go ahead and have a closing and knowing that there was a history of problems with tax payments on this property. So for whatever reason you didn't want to do that. I don't think that's why she's mentioning me. Yeah. Yeah. And I mean maybe she should be suing both of us. I don't know. But I don't think this is unfortunately you know the statute to me is pretty clear and I actually should have brought that up in the beginning because I read that whole thing the other time. I don't know how does this fit into here and it really doesn't Francis and I are new to this about the system because I trust that David and good faith tried to do his job and that maybe there was some miscommunication in the office that day. That being the case we recognize that yes you need to have your taxes the delinquent taxes paid. But what about the penalties and interest that's something that's not as much as possible. I don't think we have the right to abate the interest or penalties. It's not we don't have this you know there are all sorts of other reasons why I can think to disagree with that and you're right about the statement when the taxes are abated the other taxpayers make up for the difference. Everybody else has to chip in because this isn't an enormous responsibility for Francis and Francis. I completely understand most of us here are parents we've been through it. It's an incredible experience I'm very glad to see you here in our town and I hope that you maintain an active participation in the thriving community of young people. This part sucks and sometimes quite frankly it will sound right but it is not it's not hard. I would love to share with you personally on the side my own eye-opening experience of my own first house buying experience and closing and the $5,000 which I didn't have so fortunately you were able to secure your property although you now have to figure out how to deal with dealing with taxes and penalties and interest but it's sometimes life lessons come hard and as Peter was saying I would like to simply just say we could dig right down we don't have the authority it doesn't follow the brand of the bonds. Where is your camp? I just went in 533 531. 533 but now it's 531. So the other thing that I would pass along to you folks is Darinda our trusted faithful treasure and delinquent tax collector deal and installment payment deal to collect the taxes. So it's not like we are going to say to you 30 days to pay these taxes over sending your property to Texas. That is not the case. Our goal is to collect the taxes but we try and be reasonable and fair as we can in doing that. But each day their delinquent is an added interest. Once a month it gets added but if you pay the back the interest in payments or something like that but if we only charge the interest which is a half a percent a month and that gets charged on the 21st each month. So anyway that's up to you to potentially contact or make the deal but there is not like the world has come to an end if these taxes aren't paid in the next short time. What we're concerned about is getting them paid over time. So with that I would suggest and I think we're probably in agreement that we deliberate in open session and potentially make a determination that we don't feel that this is a request that can be brought before the board of the statement because it doesn't meet the criteria. First yeah. But unless unless people want to talk about this further I don't think there's a lot to talk about. I would accept a motion to agree that we will deliberate in open session right now. I'll make a motion. Any further. Your other co-owners are equally liable so I don't know. She doesn't have co-owners. I'm sorry. So it's been it's been moved in second. Is there any further discussion? All in favor of the motion please say aye. Aye. Any opposed. Okay so we have made the decision that we are going to deliberate in open session. So now we're deliberating. I think we have to follow the statute. I don't think we have any room there. There's no real deliberation. No no no. I'm just saying if we're not going to deliberate someone needs to make a motion. Well you know they she did check taxes or charges and there's a manifest here. Yeah you know that's from the BLCT. That's why I checked the statute. Because I didn't remember reading that in statute so I want to direct to the to the Greensock. Oh so that's not in this? That's a form for you for Montliga cities and towns. I love that one. I think the statute is in it's in that board in the Bay then. So I'm just looking for it on the back page. There it is. You see the statute book man? Yeah it's right behind you right there. So there it is. It's in the statute. Or 15 15 35 4. Taxes in which there is a error or mistake of the listeners. Well the manifest error is it necessarily a definer of mistake of the listeners. Well there's no error in the taxes either if you wanted to make it if you wanted to go down that road. There's no error in the taxes and there's no mistake of the listeners so that doesn't apply either way. I think they're alleging I think they're alleging that right there was the manifest error. I mean I'm not prepared to vote if that's the argument. Well my argument would be that Marika I have never known an assistant town clerk to be responsible for what happens at a closing involving lawyers. Well I can understand All I'm saying is that I'm not prepared to vote for anything unless I hear Marika's rebuttal of what happened here. All I'm saying is that is what I think and if you look at the check that she made. My argument is that I don't think that this applies. I don't think there's if you're looking at the statute I'm saying that we can't even get to what Marika has to say because we're at taxes of because taxes which there is a manifest error so there's no manifest error in the taxes. The tax there's no we didn't charge them $20,000 and you know there's no manifest error in the taxes and nor is there a mistake in the listeners so it doesn't apply. There's nothing that says taxes in which that were not correctly relayed in a public communication to someone who asked. I mean if you Marika you're a lawyer you know we're the responsibility of life. I don't know what Marika said when I'm just saying I mean to be candid when we read it I didn't hear that part and so I just wanted to make sure everyone was aware of it. You know this reminds me of the time that I got a call and then I was saying that I owed $176 for taxes because the state of Ohio had made a mistake on my income tax when I was 24 years old and they couldn't find me so they continued to haunt me for 20 years and when they finally haunted me I had a lean against me in Franklin County Ohio for taxes that I had no idea how could I possibly because the state of Ohio had given me that year's taxes so I was bound I paid it Charlie disagreed but I paid it so I mean that's there's these things are these entities are ruthless when it comes to stuff I'm not saying I disagree with you I just wanted to raise that issue Is anyone willing to make the motion? So Peter can I clarify with what you were saying before because I think that this is the point you were making when we came to this discussion is that the application for abatement the first of all what she's requested manifest error doesn't apply period there is no mistake in the taxes or what to do the other choices Mary well I understand the other choices why she could come why she could come to us unless she's into that which no I understand the other reply and the fact that Darinda has a reputation in town for being someone who works with landowners and middle sex I would think would be something that would be potentially helpful for Ms. Cannon for Francis to know in coming to us and bringing this to light it's good that we know where she lives now and we have her address and as as Peter pointed out Darinda does work with folks in town to help them make sure they can make the payments nobody wants things to go to tax sale it looks bad for the town frankly it's bad for everybody so it's not a question of whether or not we want to work with her it's that the basis for which she's come to us doesn't apply I understand I understand so that being there I just felt there was nothing we could do to be clear that I didn't hear it when we were talking about the the various reasons and I'm assuming that since she checked that that was her ground we're not saying whether it applies here right well so board members where does that leave us are we ready to make a motion? we're not going to deliver we're not going to make a motion you make the motion I move that we don't deliver it because it doesn't apply to how to elevate it it's over we're asking we're going to move we are not ruling on this request because we don't believe it meets the standard of the board of the day so moved that's a good one that's that's a nicely phrased well I said you moved that so moved that board members in another way we don't have jurisdiction we don't have jurisdiction I'll start is there a second to Liz's motion I second I second okay any further discussion please all in favor of the motion please say aye aye any opposed so Mary moved and Steve seconded no no I didn't Liz moved Liz moved I seconded you know women are all funny that's true okay and you folks have choices to make about how you want to proceed from here okay sorry Francis you know somewhere above me is the center road the center road you can see it on the road out in the mouth that gift is it a gift where you go up the street on the road yeah before down near where the floor is a fire warden is what's his name on the hall correct correct correct correct correct to him it's the second one past French yeah so it's in the left hand side is it the brown one close to the road no it sets way back it's a little way back so it's the last property before you get to the only richest place the one that sets right on the road the Love House the Love House no well we're supposed to have a quick DCA here besides Peter is that Jan? that's Jan Jan come on get the stuff out so this will be not a good one are you sure? Dorinda? no thank you no understanding okay uh uh Eric could you my hand go back there Jen warmer colder colder go up go up there more oh your knee okay thank you guys so can you get through your deck? yeah they're standing up there you go okay Liz can you see it? there you go no get back in there Eric close to the road keep him going keep him going yeah and I thought it was insensitive too I didn't get probably because you have one of those Mary you've got one alright thank you no no I felt like under attack I felt like they'd already said you've got to separate that separate that and I know you were defending I just think it could have it could have we need to move on yeah alright yeah so I just feel like we do that a lot you know that's what I am it makes it not a friendly I'm sitting over here okay that's all my friend Barry he's been at okay the next room he's been getting a ride for me well I'm sorry and I apologize no I'm just saying I think we need to be more mindful of just our tone and how we're you know we often have a just when a lot of people come in with some sort of complaint or concern that they have we tend to be very defensive and I think it's a good idea to listen to what people say and I mean I totally agree with the outcome I'm not I'm not at all arguing with that I just think that there was some attacking and I just didn't think that was fair to these people I agree with that I mean I think that that's why I always try to introduce myself because I remember the days when I came here she's just this young woman really kind of and I felt like well that's why I asked everybody introduce themselves the problem for me was is yeah he's trying to put it on but the other thing is you have to read out what he has to that you know I was and I tried to yeah yeah okay guys yeah let's move okay so we have adjourned the board of abatement we are now am I in charge again chair yes yes yes okay we're calling the meeting to order at 6.30 no guests right no Jan thank you for showing up Washington central unified union school district no union is there any amendment oh are there any amendments special elections organization designated BCM members to assist the town clerk union school district special meeting elections at the middle sex town clerk office on May 7 I'm sorry that's what you're talking about I thought you would said May 7 sorry what is it all volunteer all volunteer we also have an amendment yeah you're right I've been staring at this for the longest time so any amendments so you're asking that first okay all right so amended to say May 21 okay yes thank you so I need people to work from 7 to new because Marika's gonna come in anyway yeah so Nancy Riley if we can add her to the list Nancy Riley do you want to come in okay the only period here the only time 21st that's a Tuesday and I know I'm driving up to May for a conference and I have to be there so I can call and do you want to do you want to at the end of the day like 20 afternoon you know Marika's the thing is we're also having a select board meeting on this point first as well and remember we decided not to change the name yes we did we're going to be seated at a place where I could call in you're calling in are you gonna be here I'll be here I was gonna say I can come I'll be here I'll be here do you need somebody in the morning I can't be alone I have to have someone else in the morning I can Dave Martin I can come whenever you need come but if we're gonna use a tabulator for some reason they think they're gonna use tabulators I don't know there are 10 there are 10 people I mean this is about yeah there you go what I want to know is why Charlie didn't use a tabulator this is wife was gonna divorce him it's a simple yep there you go I am willing to go to the bank with that one and it's recorded it's recorded yes so we get copy of that to send to Charlie they're happy they're doing the tabulator I'll come in and do the tabulator and I'll stick around okay you want to come in and do the tabulator at 7 o'clock yeah I like the early shift okay you can have an extra cup of coffee and then Steve you want to come in and that's right after Peter because Harry's gonna go right away after that are you gonna hang around okay well I didn't know sometimes you do the tabulator then you go off that's because you have other people volunteering but now I'm volunteering there you go okay so Peter okay I'll be here before 9 so you're gonna do 9 to 11 whenever you need me just let me know what you need to fill and I'll tell not that I want you to come in at 11 no I'm actually gonna have your Nancy Riley I think you guys could prove Nancy Riley you can have either Nancy Riley or Derrinda so I'm sorry does it end at noon no no no okay I mean I can so you've got the people you need yes I think so if you guys if you guys if you can prove Derrinda and Nancy Riley to work on to be full workers so okay wait I made that much there oh you couldn't make it yourself right and Mary and okay great so Nancy Riley ends you guys okay with you well all those in favor Liz sorry all those in favor I post okay do you want me to come just before the meeting or do you not are you full now no I think that I think we'll be fine at the meeting just if anybody comes in to vote Marika will be here but we will have everybody here will be able to be back up so okay okay so move yeah second oh we did that we did did we do all three of us did we do all these putting two JPs in here no we need to have two JPs to carry housebound voters I'm moving Charlie and Peter I'm second I'm second I don't have any name what else are you going to do right you're the only Republican and oh he's easy to I'm not a Republican anymore oh so you're an independent yeah who's second is that Phil yeah I'm sorry it's just weird that we've had all these BCA meetings we've had to do them by law it's just like a okay uh so we're doing voters who registered the BCA review the checklist oh that's on the back okay let's review it yeah if you've got any if you've got any complaints and I did print out the March 18 Brendan Vaughan Kuhlin he registered at the meeting wow he came to the E32 meeting can't believe it I don't know oh I just remember it's a party child okay you got that one what but how but Andrew depth my heart I don't know who it is oh I'm thinking of depth man sorry okay um alrighty so do we have to make a motion we'll be approved the no actually I'll just have it okay approving the minutes from the March 26 2019 BCA meeting or is it time to adjourn Scotland is going to wait oh I think anyway maybe oh you oh you are you're going to you're getting married to a family oh I have a I have a colleague who's going to Scotland in that same timeframe is he coming to the wedding I think she see are we joining this one and then going back and finishing this unfortunately we need to go so so well I guess we're going to pass over goals yeah wait we're joining the BCA second thank you bye Jen have fun thank you bye thank you anyone want to move approval of the April 26 2019 select board Venice you're right in for the select board now well I mean we're going to I've got to I've got to go we're going to pass over the goals yeah we're going to take the motion for what minutes I think I think I did yeah I'll say I don't know it's fine I think we're done Phil's Malhotan Steve's second all those in favor say aye still moved in Steve's second yes orders are done orders are done we talked about the access make sure you put 23 it's a capstone it's like an open house okay who from community capital should give us any other matter maybe I'm going to pull the board is there any correspondence well yes we have Peter before you leave do you want to quickly discuss the bandstand thing what are we going to do about the $532 do you want me to put it on the most of the ballot agenda for the first or yeah so yes Elliott Elliott is all revved up he's got the attorney general's office involved already so for what I'm not going to get around that the bandstand committee got a letter saying that they are liable for licensing fees for music that's paid at the bandstand because they're playing somebody else's music that's protecting you mean like these people can't play covers so well they can't play others people's music they can play other people's music anyway it's a complicated issue Phil and I have some peripheral experience in this area not a lot of that song yeah