 وإن تعجب فعجب قولهم إذا كنا تراباً أين نال في خلق جديد أولئك الذين كفروا بربهم وأولئك الأغلال في عناقهم وأولئك أصحاب النارهم في يا خالد ليس أشعر أيضاً أشعر أيضاً هل سنة النجمية المعتذلة؟ لذلك لدينا الآن ابن القطان الفاسي who narrates in his book الإقناع في مسأل إجماع وقال إجماعه على الإيمان بأن الشيطان تتخبط من بني آدم من سلطان الله عليه كما شاء وكيف شاء they had consensus in iman that the shaitan causes the churnal adam touches them possesses them causes them to become إنسانتي as from the Sultan of Allah from the authority of Allah as he wills and however he wills ابن المنير also mentioned واتقاد السلف وأهل السنة أن هذه الأمور على حقائقها وقعة كما أخبر الشرع عنها these matters that the Salaf and Ahl al-Sunnah they had consensus that these are real things that happen and they happen the way that the sharia the way that Allah says in the sharia tells us they happen ومن ذلك السحر وخبطة الشيطان from that is magic and the possession of the shaitan شيخ رسلام ابن تيمية رحم الله تعالى he said وجود الجن ثابت بكتاب الله وصنة رسوله صلى الله عليه وسلم واتفاقه سلف الأمة وإمةها كذلك دخول الجن في بدن الإنسان ثابت بالتفاق أئمة أهل السنة والجماعة he said the existence of the jinn is proven by the book of Allah on the sunnah and the agreement of the Salaf of the umma and the imams and likewise the jinn entering into the body of the person is proven by the agreement of Ahl al-Sunnah والجماعة he also said وليس في أئمة المسلمين من ينكر دخول الجن في بدن المصروع ومن انكر ذلك ودعى أن الشرع يكذب ذلك فقد كذب على الشرع وليس في الأدلة الشرعية ما ينفي ذلك he said that there is none of the imams of the Muslims who deny that the jinn enter the body of the person who is afflicted not and whoever denies this and claims that the sharia denies this has lied against the sharia because there is nothing in the evidences of the sharia that denies this he also said وقد تفق عليه أئمة الإسلام كما تفق على وجود الجن he said that imams of Islam agreed upon this like they agreed upon the existence of the jinn he then said وليهاد أنكر الطائف من المعتزلة he said there is a group of the Mu'tazila who denied this and he mentioned جبائي and he mentioned أبو بكر الرازي and that's why I have a doubt about Fakhred Din Al-Razi because Fakhred Din Al-Razi his method is well known and it's very surprising to see him deny this and I wonder whether there and I would have to go back into that quote but I wonder whether the quote was supposed to be from أبو بكر الرازي which is who Sheikh Al-Sammiya mentions وغيرهما دخول الجن في بدن المصروع then he said وليهاد ذكر العشري في مقالاته للسنة he mentions the quote of Al-Ashri وقال عبد الله بن أحمد بن حمبل قلت لي أبي and Abdullah bin Ahmadi بن حمبل I said to my father إن قوما يزعمون أن الجن لا يدخل في بدن الإنسي there are some people who have the false impression that the jinn doesn't enter the body of a man فقال يا بني يكذبون he said all my son they are lying هو ذا يتكلموا على الإسان he's the one who speaks upon that person إمام أحمد بن حمبل and we still have more محدين I just want to mention here as well it's a side benefit some people might bring this as a contention they might say that إمام أحمد بن حمبل okay that's a bias of you guys to do that no, it's actually been transmitted by إبن حجر الهيتم as well who doesn't necessarily agree with Sheikhul Islam so on many issues so he transmitted the statement of إمام أحمد بن حمبل I think you might have the quote of what he said he said that this is the madhab of Ahlul Sunnah after he brought the statement of إمام أحمد بن حمبل no this is إبن حجر الهيتم he's an fatawa of Hadith محدين شغزات he said إن أهل السنة يعتقدون بأن الشيطان يمسل إنسان ويتخبطه ويسبب له الجنون وأن له تأثيرا في بعض أجسام الناس he said أهل السنة they have the aqeeda that the shaitan touches a person and causes him insanity and makes him go crazy makes him go insane and that he has an effect on some people's bodies we mentioned إبن حجر الهيتم الألوسي also mentions وعتقاته السلف وأهل السنة أنما دلت عليه أمور حقيقة واقع he said the belief of the Salaf and Ahlul Sunnah is that what this indicates this ayah indicates is a reality which actually happens and then he mentions the people who make تأويل of it he said that they are nobody made تأويل of it إلا المعتزلة ومن هذا حذو the one the people who followed them وبي ذلك ونحن خرجوا عن قواعد الشرع القوين فحضرو قاتلهم الله أن يؤثكون he said nobody take this false interpretation except the معتزلة and those who followed them and by this they went out of the principles of the sharia so be careful of them قاتلهم الله may Allah fight them how they were deceived and صديق حسن خان he also narrated with regard to this he said ومن خلق الله الشياطين و لهم لما تشرّن لبني آدم they have a possession that they cause to the children of Adam و تصرّف فيهم and they can have a control over them فيهم وتجري من ابني آدم مجردّم and that they flow through the person like the blood ونقل غير واحد اتفاق أهل العلم على ذلك and more than one person narrated the agreement of all of the people of knowledge on this these are quotes after quotes after quotes bring us consensus on the issue because one point I I want us to really focus on is that the اجمع here is that the jinn can enter the human body and there's also an اجمع on the آية of so we have that this is what it means you can't give me any other interpretation and also the أقوال of the ايمة to الإسلام of different backgrounds it's not just إبنو تايمة and he's مدهب that some may try to say it's actually something that إبنو تايمة was preceded in الإمام أحمد رحم الله said it مفسيرين of the القرآن the scholars who've done تسير of the Qur'an and the exegesis of the Qur'an the scholars who've explained بخاري ومسلمة ومسلمة ومسلمة ومسلمة ومسلمة ومسلمة ومسلمة ومسلمة it's enough to make the whole حقق just based on quotes finish next quote next quote but there is something I wanted to bring to the table just to get this issue a bit going to another direction and so on that is The ayah اللي دي ناكلون ريبا لا يقومون إلا كما يقوموا اللي دي تخبطو شيطانا من المس وانا اتراضة و was brought by The person who's possessed in this dunya is equivalent to the person who the jinn enters in this dunya And the way that the jinn possesses him That's similar to how it's going to be for the one who eats riba The day of judgment So we're saying that this ayah is talking about something which is seen Which is the jinn possession in his world It's something which is seen And the one who eats riba or takes riba أنها ستكون كذلك اليوم المجرد يتبعونني اعتراضاً من المجرد والسورة الصافرات يجب أن يتعلم أنه شخص أن الله كبارك وتعالى يقول أنه رؤوس الشياطين أنه جهنم وأن الله يتكلم عن الشجرة وانتخلدها في أصل الجحيل يتكلم عنها كأنه رؤوس الشياطين وأن الله يتكلم عن الجهنم يتكلم عن أنه تمرى كبارك والسورة تدخل من هذا المجرد يبدو أنه يبدو الشياطين ونحدث عنها ونحدث عن الشياطين لذلك مجرد جنب ونظروا كيف نرسل إلى هذا المجرد في هذا المجرد أخبرك أخبرك أعتقد بأن ما تقول كثيرا شيئ لم يرد ويشيئ لم يرد أنها في معلومة ويشيئ شيئ لم يرد ويشيئ أنه لم يرد لأجل أننا نرسل الشياطين شياطين شياطين لهم رؤوس لديهم حوار إنه شيء يوجد من المشاكل وكذلك أعني أن الشيخ التفصير يستطيع أن تقوم بفعل المشاكل لكن قبل ذلك المشاكل من هذا التخبط من المس is something which exists ليس شيء يوجد شيء that doesn't exist شيء that has an existence كما نحن نحن من المشاكل من الشيخ التفصير من المحاولة التي تأتي تأكد من ذلك ونحن نحن ذلك ومن ثم بعض الأعيات التي تفعلها لذا هنا أعي المشاكل أنه شيء شيء that exists ومشاكل أنه شيء that is known لشخص ليس شيء يجب أن يقوم بفعله أن لا يوجد أي فعل من ذلك حتى للمشاكل أن يتفعله حتى للمشاكل عندما نقول لتفعله أنه ليس مع ذلك المشاكل أنه شيء that people see with their own eyes ونحن أن يجب أن يجب أن نحن مع ذلك our own eyes وكذلك عندما يساعد من إجماء أنه شيء هل لديك أي موت أكثر نعم يجب أن نفهم القرآن و السنة في العربية اللعنة says إنه لتنزيل رب العالمين نزل به الروح الأمين على قلبك لتكون من المنذرين بالسانين عربيين مبين القرآن في العربية وذلك عندما تأتي يجب أن نذهب بالطبع للمفصرين ومع ذلك ونجد أن نتساعد من المفصرين المنظمة وفعلها هنا أولينا أكلون الربا لا يغومون إلا كما يغوم الذي يتخبطه الشيطان ورأس لي not that ذلك فعلها كأنه رؤوس الشياطين هذا الشياط مكان المنظمة هو شيء مدفع تشبيه الله تعالى يتكلم عن أشياء ويوجد فيه أشياء علم البلاغة بلاغة التي هي إلكوان ومع ذلك they say it breaks into three branches it breaks into علم البلاغة علم البديع وعلم المعاني and great scholars have written books on it one of the greatest books that are written in it is the كتاب عقود الجرمان by Jalaludina Surti a thousand line poetry on بلاغة this issue of تشبيه comparing two things with one another falls under علم البلاغة علم البلاغة is broken into three as well it's الاستعارة تشبيه is one of the three in علم البلاغة which is comparing two things together and there's four pillars that has it's مشبه المشبه بي تشبيه تشبيه these are the four things in summary anyways الله تعالى is comparing الشجرة with زقوم as comparing it to رؤوس الشياطين so the اعتراض here the opposition and the contention here is that رؤوس الشياطين it's something which is not seen شيخ محمد mentioned it not seen doesn't mean it doesn't exist that's a very strong point that's one secondly is this something that was known by the Arabs you know is this something they did is this a way they used to talk or is this randomly the Qur'an is the only one that use it like this but the way he describes it with the veins of غول is something the Arabs have actually seen yeah so the تشبيه here the ayah is using here I just want to mention that the غول is one of the types of the one of the types of the jinn one of the things we didn't cover earlier on which I had a few notes on just to make it clear the different names of the jinn but just very briefly ابن عبدالبار mentioned some of the names of the jinn he said جن و عند أهل الكلام و أهل العلم بالليسان ينزلون على مراتب there's different levels of the jinn فإذا ذكروا واحد من الجن خالي سنخالوا جني if they just mentioned one of them they would say سجني و إذا رادوا أنه ممن يسكنوا مع الناس قالوا عامر if they said he's one of the jinn that live with people they call him عامر then he said وإن كان ممن يعرف للصبيان قالوا أرواح that if he's one of the ones that displays himself in front of children and makes the children scared they used to call him أرواح فإن خبثا و تعرما فهو شيطان if he becomes obstructive and evil and filthy then they call it شيطان فإن زاد على ذلك فهو مارد anything more than that they would call it مارد شيطان مارد and anything more than that they would call إفريت فإن زاد على ذلك و قوية أمره قالوا إفريت they would say they're إفريت and from the مراسيل بالحسن بالمحمد is that he mentioned here لا صفر ولا غول ولا كن السعال so from the other three names that we had is الغول الغول and they believe that it takes the people away from the road and it would cause the people to come lost and die in the desert and السعالي الخطاب سهر السعالي سهرت الجن the jinn that performed سحر so these are all names of the jinn that were existed but do you know that the jinn do snatch people that's authentic they transmit in loud text snatchers in the what's that بيهق in Sunan the time of أمر رضي الله عنه بسند صحيح that the time of أمر رضي الله عنه a man was away from his wife for four years and the man the woman kept waiting waiting waiting waiting and she's like where is my husband where's my husband where's my husband where's my husband and he never came and أمر رضي الله عنه said but wait to the woman wait wait four years when he reached he said now you can go and get married as soon as she got married a while went by her husband came where were you where did you go he got I got snatched by a group of jinn they snatched me and they took me and I was arrested and kept by a group of them and Allah made them fight one another they fought between themselves and I got saved by the ones who took over they let me go and this is even transmitted in the Nusus of the كتب السنة okay for example the jinn that came to the Prophet صلى الله عليه وسلم جنة النصيبين and they're the best jinn they're the most honorable jinn that the Prophet صلى الله عليه وسلم جنة النصيبين when they came to the Prophet صلى الله عليه وسلم the companions first said that the Prophet صلى الله عليه وسلم went missing we couldn't find him and we thought to ourselves he got snatched by the ghoul and the jinns they snatched him and the Prophet صلى الله عليه وسلم returned and he said I had a concession with جنة النصيبين and I I'm even thinking of the narration إنه الشيطان وخطفة the shaitan spreads out at the time of مغرب and snatches snatches people I do have a question on the line of poetry you mentioned because you said when we were talking about that I صلى الله عليه وسلم was a shaitan it's still something that exists and again you said the ghoul is something that exists do the fangs of the ghoul exist that's my question I mean first of all there were those people who when they commented on this they said that the ghoul here is that he's comparing it to the fangs of the snake because in the first place that's the appearance they believed that it took any of the ghoul the appearance of the snake so not only did many of them claimed to have seen the ghoul whether that be true or not but it was something well-known among them among the jahili Arabs that they had that it was an image that was not unknown like رؤوس الشيطان it was an image that was not unknown to people and it's something that they hired an understanding of أبا عبدالحمان اسمع عيد الحيلي mentions they saw the jins which is right they did they saw it not in its original form the ghoul that they're referring to that the jinn يتشكل it can chain forms and it can become a wasp it can become a a snake so what they saw and maybe we mentioned from the sunnah from this the hadith of أبا عبدالحمان for example regarding the sadaqa when the prophet صلى الله عليه وسلم said this is the shaitan we have other we have the hadith we have the ayah the ayah the ayah in surah in surah in the battle the battle لذا انك يرسلهم ثلاثة، ثلاثة في الساعة، هنالك all from the evidences of the that it's not something we just coming up with it, that the Jinn have the ability to change to change form Sorry Shekha interrupted you on that. I just wanted to make that clear. No, yeah, so it's something you came just came up with right now. Yeah, so it's it's the concept that now I must have points you but it's very very I went, I interrupted because I was thinking انهم ستعتقدون الآن بأن هذه فكرة تأتي بشكل صحيح ولكن سبحانه وتعالى أحدهم يعتقدون أنه رؤوس الشياطين هي actually a tree that they believed existed That they called رؤوس الشياطين The tree was called رؤوس الشياطين The point is that رؤوس الشياطين is قبها الله is talking to them by telling them The way that people, the way they perceive شيطان is something ugly If you told somebody to draw a picture of شيطان I would draw the ugliest thing ever And the people think of the angels to be something A creation that's beautiful الله says in the Quran مالي هادة بشرة ما هادة بشرة إن هادة إلا ملكون كريم نبي الله يوسف سواحبه يوسف They said this is not a human being This is an angel Not just any angel by the way ملكون كريم So this is an idea that like stuck to people's mind Which is that the jinns are actually the شياطين are ugly And the jinns are beautiful So when Allah says طلعوها كأنه رؤوس الشياطين The angels الله تباركه تعالى here is trying to tell them That the ugliness of The tree of شجرة الزقون How ugly it is in the way it looks I want to move away from the evidences now And start talking about the implications On that, but did you get the point About the fangs of the wall Like if they compared it to the fangs of a snake Even in the hadith we would say The hadith of Saheemus in Saheemuslim From the hadith of Abisaiq Regarding the jinn of Medina Regarding the snake فآذي نوه ثلاثة أيام Give him a warning for three days فإن بدأ لكم بعد ذلك فاقتلو فإنما هو شيطان If it appears to you after that Then kill it for it's a shaitan So this is also not something That was imaginary What I'm in the case is mentioning it This Anyabi Aghwali Is something also that they Had a clear idea of what it meant Even though I do think That argument in the first place Is not really needed To prove the point Because the point can be proved Through the hijma Through the hadith Through the scholars of Tafsir And their hijma On the meaning of the ayah But just as a sort of Point of benefit Or a secondary point Just to further It's not known in the Arabic language At that time In the Quran Or outside the Quran That ever would be a comparison I don't know I think it's a big statement To say never in the Arabic language And I don't think we need to say that I think we can simply say That it's not in surat al-Baqarah In surat al-Safah It's very clear What the intended meaning is And that has been explained very clearly And even in the example That we gave of Imruqais In his poetry It's also extremely clear What is meant And it's clear It's something that exists And it's not something But the entire Arabic language That's a big statement to make And also I just wanted To add on that If we say that for example روص الشياطين It's something that's not known Allah is just talking But it doesn't It's just there It's just nothing We don't know it A concept that goes against What we believe is that The Quran can't just have words Which are like that They don't have no meaning That we can't connect to And we can't The Quran has Every word in the Quran And every Thing in the Quran has a meaning Some of that Which we do know What it's meaning And we don't have its meaning But it doesn't mean There's no meaning And there's no And some things In the Quran We look at and we say You know Who maybeIs that to love And what he is saying You know And we'll look at You know He is not A more講 In the other Remaining verses In the Quran There's about And the real ولم يكن في الوحي حشون يقار They can't come in the revelation حشو is something that doesn't have a meaning something that's just tossed and it's just abandoned We don't have that in the text Everything has a meaning It's very relevant when we talk about the آيين صلط البقر It's not just you know تقبطوا الشيطان ومن المسيط It's something that has no meaning and it's something real It's real sir It has a meaning to us We understand it We can relate to it We can see these people the way they are And no one wants to be like that And there's been many ayat الله سيزياء الذين عاملوا إن زلزلت ساعة يشيون عظيم يوم ترونات تتهل كل مرضعة عم عرطات وتضع كل الوديات حملين حملها وترى الناس السكارة وما هم السكارة ولكن عذاب الله يشديد الله سبحانه وتعالى The whole and the severity and the How the day of judgment is And the people are here drunk And their mother is giving miscarriage And we all know this miscarriage We know what it is We know how drunk people are like They can't stand up You know, they're falling They're all over the place قيامة الناس سيكون like that Now we're scared We know what it is Possession is something no one likes We can see the way it makes a person become So if you take ربا That's the way you're going to seem like the day of judgment We need to be scared So these are Is to make us Fear for Allah And stay away from Another benefit I took from أبنو قيب أحمد الله He mentions in his da'a And he also mentions in his كتاب مدار جساد كين is that The relationship between جن بزشن and sinning Okay Because ربا isn't one of the major sins And the concept of جن بزشن And how they're interconnected And you know When a person puts their guard down And doesn't protect himself Doesn't do his atkha And doesn't do what is needed from him That this in the dunya is بزشن for them as well So the ربا أبنو قيب says It's a representation of major sins Hmm, I see And the جن بزشن is in this dunya This is one of the benefits That he رحم الله extracted إلا من اتبعك من الغاوين إلا من اتبعك من الغاوين صحيح Those who follow you And those that go under you And now has control over them Where he wants What he wants to do to them And how he wants to treat them It's under his wing Okay I do want to talk about some of the Implications of جن بزشن Existing in the world So you mentioned that The جن like the human beings أمو كالف Meaning that we're held accountable For what we do How do we reconcile this now That I'm going to be held accountable For all of my actions And suddenly we're saying That somebody else can take control of my body And maybe help me Or guide me to do an action That I don't really want to do in the first place I think we've probably touched upon that Quite well before And I think there's probably two things In summary we can say here I think first of all we can say That the standard Or the norm in جن بزشن Is not that the person Certainly not 24 hours a day From a pure experience point of view You cannot It's just not the case That people become 100% Zombies that just Are walking around the earth With no concept of what they're doing And where they've gone That's something that If it exists It is extremely rare It's not something which is the norm And the second thing that we said is We've broken that up to that point I heard it with many of us Exactly Definitely And something appeared to me in my Salah That's the norm Now if we say that this exists That there are some people Who 24-7 have no consciousness Of what they are doing Then surely those people Come under the Hadith that we talked about The Hadith of Aisha It's also narrated from عليب وعليب وعليب طالب It's in the The four sunnah from one or the other روفع القلم and Salas The pen is lifted from three That is something which is normal Even in We're not talking about gym-possession We have many situations Even it's mentioned with regard to روخية شرعية بشورغ شاء الله تعالى توكب عن The future episode Of أبو سعيد وخدري Regarding the person that was insane There was a person who was afflicted by Insanity Insanity is something which happens And I don't think insanity Leave gym-possession aside Insanity and tech-leaf Don't have a problem together The fact that there is someone Who could be insane مديكال problems سيكولوجيكال issues تمبررلي برماني That's something accounted for in the sharia The sharia allows for that And has rules and regulations And systems to handle A person who is not in possession Of their faculties That doesn't cause a problem With مديكال إنسانتي And it doesn't cause سيكولوجيكال إنسانتي And it doesn't cause a problem With gym-possession either Okay There is another eye on the round Around the same topic Where Allah says وَلَا تَزِرُوا وَزِرَةٌ وَزِرَةٌ وَقُلَةٌ And nobody will be held accountable Or will bear the burden Of somebody else's action And And again, that's perfectly That makes sense in the day of judgement So totally The shaitan Is going to take account for what he did Yeah And the amount or the extent To which you followed Listen didn't resist it You'll also take account for that You're not going to be taking account For what the shaitan did But I suppose my question is What about in the dunya? For example The shaitan has certain possession Over myself He makes me murder someone I'm going to be held accountable For that in the court of law Again, I would say to that That It depends firstly on the court of law But also more than that There is no real Tangible difference between Insanity Regardless of the course You know Somebody, let's say Has a breakdown A mental breakdown And they reach a level Where they're no longer Conscious of what they're doing And they kill somebody Islam accounts for that Islam accounts for that I don't see there to be any real Issue with that I think if you have an issue with that You have to have an equal issue With somebody who does it Under the influence of any You know Cause of insanity Someone else puts I don't know Drugs in someone's Coffee or something You know And this person goes out And does something that they weren't It doesn't The ultimate cause of it Doesn't really It's not the issue here The issue is that the shaitan Has a proper system In judging To account for that Which is done by the person Under their You know Of their own free will And volition And we talked about Al-Aqal And we talked about Intellect And we talked about Irada And having a will To do something At the end of the day When those things Go away The person The shaitan Has a separate Way of looking At that situation And I think If we have a problem With that From the point Of gym possession Then we equally Should have a problem When it comes to Other Medical And psychological issues That cause the same Effect And I mean It really does depend on Which court You end up In In all honesty So also Another person Who is Majnun If he goes and drives a car He's a Majnun Insane He goes and he drives a car And he kills a person The sharia is not going to be like The The blood man here is Haidah And sorry You lost your family Remember the guy who was Majnun Rufa Al Qalam The pen is lifted from him No, he has to Pay the blood man He's a Majnun person If his family got wealth And they've got money Or even if he's wealthy And there's money That's there for him That he inherited That money is taken And he's paid for the The person he's killed So it's not like Those people's wealth goes There has to be I mean But that again Is something which applies Regardless of The cause of insanity Doesn't really need us To talk about Gym possession As such Okay, so You touch on the issue Of mental health now Are we saying that Anybody that suffers From this kind of Experience Where they might be having A loss of mental state Every time is Gym possession Let me quote you From الإمامة بالقيب رحم الله تعالى He said I'm going to use The word epilepsy for now Just as an easy word But you know Fainting, fits Fitting There are two types of fitting صرع من الأرواح الخبيثة الأرضية وصرع من الأخلاط الرديئة He said There are two types of fitting A fitting that comes from The evil The خبيث Souls The jinn That live on the earth And a fitting Which comes from أخلاط A person's Would you say Natural processes Something like that The natural components Of the person's body Not functioning properly They're رديئة They're not like They're not They're poor They're not functioning properly وثاني هو الذي يتكلم فيه الأطباء في سببه وعالاجه As for the second one That comes from A breakdown of bodily functions This is the one that the doctors Speak about وأما صرع الأرواح As for the fitting That is caused by the jinn فا إمتهم وعقلاءهم يعترفون به ولا يدفعونه The imams of the doctors And the intelligent ones among them They admit that it comes from the jinn He said later on وجاءت زناديقة الأطباء But the doctors who were زناديقة You know they were They were heretics They are heretic doctors They came along فلم يثبتوا إلا صرأ الأخلاق وحدة They only affirmed The fitting which happens Because of the body alone ومن له أقل ومعرفة بهذه الأرواح وتأثيراتها يضحك من جهل هؤلاء وضع في أقولهم He said Whoever has a brain Any intellect And knows the situation of these souls These jinn And how they affect people Laugh at the ignorance of these people And the weakness of their minds That's a quote from Bill O'Keeb in زاد المعات It's like it's hypothetical It's actually Sorry, not hypothetical It's actually The sheikh is clearly saying There are a group of people Who would say Anyone who comes to them With With the illness That it's meant to health issues You know On a modern day Everything Everything's meant to health issues By Polo That's the name That's coined for it You see the other one called These are the things that you're suffering from They coined it And If you actually look at the definitions That are given each word It's actually We don't know your illness Let's just coin a term for it sometimes Sometimes Let's just coin a term We don't know what it is It's a mental health issue And let's just help you I mean I'll be very honest with you I was having a Discussion with the family members I was saying the concept of depression now It's become a mental health issue now So Where does Stress and Sabar And Endurance and You know Hardship That you can live for long And Allah will not burden you Than more than you can take Where How does this work with Depression being a mental health issue now Do you see my point? And Anxiety In all these terms I'm not undermining it I'm not saying that it doesn't exist And I'm not saying it does exist I'm not firming nor reignigating it Has science not proved that you can get Chemical imbalances In the brain That I don't have a problem with that But I don't have an issue with saying That that exists But the underlying cause Let's just take depression Depression as a We have a lot of words for sadness We have And And And we have a lot of different words for Sadness That are used within the Qur'an And the Sunnah But here There are so many underlying causes What's the underlying cause Of those chemical imbalances In the brain Is the underlying cause of that From the jinn Is the underlying cause of that Some personal experiences Is the underlying cause of that Something that Allah Is so-and-so Decreed without a Sebab that we can Know of At the end of the day We're not denying that There is such a thing as Viperola For example As a concept But we're asking the question How many of those cases Underlying That case Is an issue with the jinn That can be seen That can be brought out That can be understood And how many times Is it a regular case That requires A large-scale study And data That we don't really have access to But the point is that We affirm Like إبن القييم said That there are two types of fitting One that comes from A breakdown in the body The organs and so on Are not functioning properly And the other one Comes from The jinn And the arwaha khabitha Whoever says that All of them came from All of it comes from Nothing more than just Your body's not handling something Or not processing something properly Like إبن القييم said He said Whoever knows about this In reality يضحكم إن جهلي هؤلاء He laughs at the ignorance of these people Okay I want two more issues And I just want to wrap up this issue Yeah With The first is that We know That الشيطان His number one goal Is to misguide us If he has the ability To possess us To do more than whisper to us Why isn't he just possess Everybody And anybody And just misguide us From the straight path I think What you mentioned Early issue The very beginning I remember we got right back To the very beginning And I spoke very briefly About the غيب And the شيطان Had a couple of extra points We talked about The قدر of الله And so on At the end of the day It's just take one example وما هم بضار رينا بيه من أحد إلا بإذن الله So talk about the شيطان And talk about the سحر And talk about That no one Can harm Or they cannot harm Anyone إلا بإذن الله Except by the permission Of الله عز وجد That is his permission Which is his قدر Which he has decreed For a wisdom حكمة بالغة An infinite wisdom That is with him سبحانه وتعالى At the end of the day No one can Carry out any kind of action Or make any kind of decision Unless Allah سبحانه وتعالى Decrease for that to happen So ultimately This idea that the شيطان Has a free reign To just possess anyone Whenever he wants That also goes against وما كان عليكم من سلطان I had no authority over you The شيطان doesn't have the choice And notice I love that expression And I don't know if we picked it on When we're quoting the إجماع On this issue That The way they quote the expression بسلطان الله That it wasn't by the سلطان of the jinn That that person became possessed But it was by the سلطان of Allah By Allah's قدر And Allah's decree That that person became possessed And not that the jinn Just has a free reign to choose Let me possess it Otherwise he would have possessed Everyone On the face of the earth I mean your question is like Why don't serial killers Kill every single person I mean they They don't want to kill people You know But I think The thing that The شيطان mentions as well is that It's like the hadith of the Prophet ﷺ وعلم أن أمة اللي واجتماعه وعالى ينفع ركة بشيء لن ينفع ركة إلا بشيء كتبه الله لك وإن اجتماعه وعالى يضروك بشيء لم يضروك إلا بشيء قد كتبه الله لك رفعاتي الأقلام واجفت السحف كل شيء يحدث بمشيء أتي الله وقادره ولكن الله سبحانه وتعالى وإن في قدر الله لا أحد يستطيع أن يرغبك إلا أنه يرغبك ونحد يستطيع أن يمتعك ويستطيع أن يرغبك لذلك بعض المسكولين like الشيطان ومسكولين يذهبون إلى الوصول من كند الشيطان يتغيبون بشيء كما يريده أو هل هذا شيء كذلك again it's it happens on occasional times for him and things like it it's got to spoke about these things by the way it's not like it just become a snake or an old man and beg you also these things they don't happen because you achieve genes just popping up every day into our lives and doing things all of these things are things we don't yet understand and inshallah maybe the day of judgment we might come to see all of these where how they're happening comes back to الذين يؤمنون بالغيب we believe in the غيب as it was told to us from the Quran and the Sunnah and what the ummah agreed upon and had اجمع but that's what that's what we have we don't have more than that okay I think it's been it's been a very beneficial episode I just want to wrap up by asking some closing questions so you mentioned obviously that you bought a lot of evidences for the plausibility and the existence of gym possession my question I suppose is what advice would you give to somebody right now who's maybe going through gym possession themselves okay I think it's it's very important to understand that there is no illness and no sickness except that Allah as a وجل has given us a cure for it and Allah سبحانه وتعالى has given us something that we can use to cure it and since the jinn are from the world of the unseen in general we need a cure that also comes from that from the things that are from the غيب and from the unseen from Allah's revelation and it is true that you can use some medical means some things that fall under the topic of medicine but in general what is going to be effective against someone who is for someone who is suffering from this is for them to go to الروكية شرعية I know that's another topic it's a big topic Allah عز و جل said وَنُنَزِّلُ مِلْ قُرْعَانِ مَا هُوَا شِيفَا وُوَ we send down from the Quran that which is achoيفة and it's a mercy for the believers so I'm going to be talking about a little more detail next so asking Allah to give you safety and refuge and protection from المنطقة التي قلتها من الجن ، من الناس ، من الناس ، من الناس ، من الناس ، من الناس ، من الناس ، all of these are evils that are related to evils of the jinn even the evil of the darkness when it spreads when the darkness spreads at Maghrib you have the Intishar of the Shealteen the darkness in the month when there is no the night of the month where there is no moon where you have the time of the Sahara and the magicians these are all related to this asking Allah for refuge ركية شرعية as is evidenced by the Qur'an and by the Sunnah of the Prophet ﷺ but that is definitely definitely a big topic for next time for sure this is something i know that you're involved in in your personal life you've been doing it for many years helping people overcome these problems from your experience that i'm not necessarily from the evidences but from your experience are there any kind of sins that you see from the people that are more likely to result in jinn possession i think every sin that a person does has a potential to cause damage to their heart and a potential to distance them from Allah and to cause the shaitan to have a control over them but the greater those sins are the more likely it is and i want to go back to what اكرم said when he said كان الجنية فراقونة من الجن يجب أن يكون ساعد من الناس but what did the people used to say the people of سيد القوم used to come and he used to say we seek refuge and seek help from the jinn and refuge from the jinn and support from the jinn then فأصابهم then they caused them insanity and possession and so on so here you see that one of the greatest ones has to be things relating to توحيد and شرق بالله عز وجل when those army when the army marched into the valley the jinn fled when the army started making shirk with Allah عز وجل and calling upon the jinn for refuge the jinn started to afflict them that's one set of things but also you know the person being far away from that we mentioned you mentioned شخب far away from the أذكار far away from the means of protection التقوى the صلاة which protects them the أذكار in the morning in the evening before they go to sleep and the أذكار before you know saying before they go in the bathroom and you know before intimacy and so on these are all things where there is a danger of the شيطان becoming a touching and affecting a person so for a person to be a person of توحيد and remember توحيد is the greatest thing which protects a person الذين أمن ولم يلبسوا إيمانهم بظلم أولئك لهم الأمن وهم مهتدون سيفتي سكورتي تقوى is for the people of توحيد the people who don't mix up their belief with making a partner with الله عز وجل the prayer التقوى keeping away from the حران being strict on the أذكار by having a relationship and reciting the quran these are all from the things which if a person does them they drive away the شيطان and if a person is far away from those things then the person becomes at risk of being touched by the شيطين you can add to that only that perhaps you know going and and the person you know mixing in with the شيطين like and that could be through a certain actions like and if attraction to things like magic or you know Ouija boards and you know foolish things card tricks and things like that which involve the شيطين and and playing with the شيطان and things like that people going to haunted houses and places of the جن and things like that also this person should not blame anyone except themselves if they become afflicted by something having put themselves into risk and if we ask الله to keep us safe we have to ask him by our tongue and by our actions and by our hearts because ذكر has to be with the heart and the tongue and the limbs so the person's heart has to be sincere asking الله to protect them and the tongue has to be asking الله but also you can't then ask الله to protect me from the جن and the شيطين and then go to the places of the جن and the شيطين and stop playing trying to kill them and what have you so these are some of the things that come to mind and الله is best there's something I wanted to also add to it which is شيخ منشاني is that there's a صورة in the Quran called صورة الجن and سبحان الله what is amazing is that in that صورة الله تعالى تعالى talks about those points that the شيخ mentioned which is you know following الله's command من سبحانه وتعالى and staying away from that which he prohibited you from الله says in صورة الجن وقل لو استقاموا على طريقة لسقينه ما انغدقة and if they were steadfast upon the part الله said we would provide for them you know we will send on them rains which are big drops meaning we will give them a lot of crops and fruits and you know give them a good life basically this reflection the rain is a reflection of what a good life healthy life also الله تعالى تعالى سيزن that same صورة وان المساجد لله فلا تدعم الله أحده you know to heed again that don't associate partners with الله تعالى تعالى it's also in that صورة الله تعالى تعالى says علم الغيبي علم الغيبي علم الغيبي فلا يثير على غيبي أحده الله is the one who knows the unseen the jeans are part of the unseen they don't know the unseen and it brings back to the eye صورة السبع و الله تعالى تعالى يسيز ولو كانوا يعلمون والله سبحانه وتعالى يعملوا آلى داودة شكرا وقليل من عبادة الشكور فلما قضينا عليه المهتماد اللهم على مهت إلا دابة الأرض تأكل من ساته فلما قررت بيانة الجن اللو كانوا يعلمون الغيب ما لا بيثوا في العداب المزين that the jeans سليمان when he did it was said that he took a stick and he went into his room of worship what he used to do is he used to go into a خلوة and he used to worship Allah تعالى تعالى تعالى تعالى تعالى تعالى I come out and this is what he used to do very often this is what was said and so they said one day he knew he was going to die the time of his death was close and he wanted these people to work and not stop what they're doing so he took a stick that he and then he placed it on his back and he stood up to pray and then he died on it he died on it and then what they say what they say is that he stayed in that way until what's the the thing that it's wood what's it called yeah like the little creature that it's I'll tell you something funny about that so they ate ate ate the stick of سليمان and then when sulaiman fell on the floor they realized he's dead الله سبحانه وتعالى فلما خرأت بيانة الجن when sulaiman fell down on the floor they realized that he died الله then says in the ayah لو كانوا يعلمون الغيبة if they knew the unseed ما لبيثوا في العلاب مهين they would not have remained in the severe punishment of him telling them to work and do this work they wouldn't have they would start yeah you see so we humans start to think that these gins they know everything they know the unseen they so we go to them because of that and then of course the ayah of they try to find out what's happening they don't know the unseen they lie just one of it they get it right the point is that these are three very important things الله mentions in that verse والله يستقام which is to stay away from sins the concept of ترحيد and also the issue of الله is the one who knows the unseen going back to this ترحيد is it called yeah ترحيد maybe something like that ترحيد ترحيد is a large a large wooden wardrobe sometimes yeah and the dust is not seen so back on sulaiman i used to ask how did he eat all of that and where's the dust they said the jinn comes they work together now because they became friends after the they became close friends because he helped him he used the water to expose the situation to them i think it's been a really comprehensive episode i'm not just jinn possession but the jinn in general i just want to thank you both for taking the time out i hope you enjoyed the the episodes on jinn possession make sure you join us next week for another episode on the world of the unseen where we're going to be talking about magic evil eye and rukia in the meantime if you have any questions on anything that we've discussed today then as always you can email us at questionsatthehotseatbroadcast.com until next time في أمان الله وسلام ورحمة الله وبركاته