 Testing testing You're coming through clear. Oh, yeah, I need to yeah, yeah, I I changed my headphones to I Changed I mean I have a script that like doesn't like come in wait. No. Oh I think it works. Can you do it again? It's okay. I can talk again. Yeah, okay, cuz I'm I'm on I Don't know if I last time brave was broken. I think I talked about this my brain just completely said the bed I could I could send the screenshot. I think in the chat But basically like like it looked like graphical glitches basically Let me open this Send I'll send a couple but basically I removed it Using you know zipper remove and I reinstalled it. No, it's it's fine And it works but And and the reason why Firefox for some reason if I cannot set the the output the default So I have to manually go and open up discord and say Change the output to my headphones or change the output to whatever But on chrome I can set it to default and I can hit my my demon you command That does a demon you script so I can set my output My headphones are speakers or other But then strawberry and only strawberry because I make it use I get when the settings I made to use also Troubles in my music player and that one sometimes won't like Probably because of pipe or a problem, but it won't use my right output But chrome basically all the time it uses the right output and Even fire fucks if I when it comes down to not discord Like you do for example you using pipe wire Well the default on Soos, yeah Because you can use something like QPW graphing is what it's called to set like profiles, then you could just Hit a button and it would go to the previous profile which we were doing before and just route the audio We're a direct exactly where you want it to go Kind of like Jack do you have to do you have to Don't you have to like manually like for example? Let's say I have like a new program a new music player Would not have to like manually go in every time and set the new program to the right output the first time after after the after you done it once You could save that profile and then it's just a matter of selecting the profile in the in the program now You I don't know if there's a way to do that from like the command line via a script or whatever so you would have to Install the application and then open the application every time you wanted to do that profile, but It might save you from having to do it per application I mean it works mostly basically what I have to do is I have to hit I Have to basically go back and forth Like for example, I would hit my key binding and I said it to my head I said it to my headphones I said to my speakers head to my headphones and usually that works There's no problem But that's just the only one that has a problem is strawberry the rest is just it works on the first time Which is a shame because probably is like really good music player. What do you use as a music player? I? Use NC spot So I've been having this problem And it happened again today, and I thought I had it solved Where OBS will not record one of my monitors? They go cord the other two monitors, but it won't record the main monitor, and it's very confusing. I thought it was The that I was using the hyperland portal that was in the open suzer repositories And that was older so I uninstalled that and built the one that's you know the get version from source And it worked for a little while and now it's back to doing what it was before which is Fantastic, I did finally get to do work, but I had to reboot Hey As usual Wayland is gonna screw me over Are you on wayland around? I thought you were on x-mo that or something. No, I'm using hyperland have been for about a week. I Blame Darth Vader Is a new challenge Well, he said he was gonna go on a wayland challenge, so I decided to join him Because he was nice enough to allow me to change color schemes. Oh And I did I did a thing in I'll send a screenshot of what happened in brave the other week and I had to reinstall brave But I did a thing with OBS. I'll just send a screenshot Basically have multiple monitor. So oh, yeah, I need to disable my camera. So it works in OBS That's something I still haven't figured out to be able to use multiple camera. I Tried to make it work and then Have you tried setting up the v4l loop back thing? Yeah, I haven't installed but for some reason. Oh, yeah I watch a Brody Robertson video. You have to edit the config file in OBS to be able to use a BS via v4l4 loop back as a source you can't you choose it in the menu That's what the Brody Robertson video saying. I mean usually he has an answer. But yeah, let me just Actually, I could use I'll take a screenshot Because I have multiple monitor and I like to like take videos of me with multiple monitor So you can't take a screenshot and have your webcam go on at the same time That sounds like a precisely Linux capability Well, look look at this. I have it so I can have all my monitors in a single view with my camera on top that way I can like show I Can I can do like video showcases of like multiple For example, like the workspace back and forth thing Script I did the video well, I can show all of the things and also what's really cool Is that I can I can use it as a OBS camera Which means I because the thing is you cannot screen share and discord multiple screens. So right now, let me let me try this I'm going to enable The virtual camera with multiple monitor and this and now I'm gonna go in this court I'm gonna choose it and I'm gonna be able to screen share me and all the screens at the same time in a single view Which is not something you can do in this corporate default. So let me check I'll put the device Wait a second When a video Yeah, you know OBS virtual camera test video. Oh, it looks like it's working. Okay, let's try it Tell me if this works. Oh Look at that. Oh, it's free. It's sweet. It's flip by discord. Yeah, can you guys see the flip, right? Yeah, we see it It's flipped like readable text. Well, it's really small I Can't On my side it's flipped It's flipped all this all the text is flipped and everything is flipped. Is it flipped on my son? It reads right is it oh It's not flipped on okay, so I think for This will be the last lug where we just kind of wing it and then from now on will I'll put up a poll before the next one will choose a topic that way we have a dedicated topic What would you guys think of like doing because yeah, you guys see in Linux saloon it used to be big daddy Linux They took it over every once in a while. They do a Like a distro to group review thing where they'll you know for the next one They'll say why we're all gonna take a look at open Suze Whatever or we're gonna take a look at the next version of Nick's OS or whatever and What would you guys think of doing that every once in a while? We want to do it every time because it's kind of boring Well, it depends. I can't afford switching OSes all the time, but they make virtual machines for a reason doesn't have to be a Okay, I thought you went like a challenge like no no no trying it out Now you just install in a virtual machine or even in distro box if you wanted to Actually, I've been thinking about switching off of Open Suze a little bit don't do it like right now if I do a zippered up I have like a bunch of problems like it says this thing is needed by Because I'm using a bunch of home like user Yeah, I learned that the hard way Yeah I did a dump. I did a zipper No op instead of doc and that one doesn't do the problem because it doesn't do a distro date So it doesn't try to upgrade to a different Just to close or something So just do yeah, I don't know if I broke my system So if you just do dash dash a lot of vendor change a lot of that stuff goes away This doesn't mean that it's always gonna go away, but sometimes it will go away if you do dash dash vendor a lot of vendor change Well, what's in your What's in your like repository your sources? Oh my sources. I have too many Yeah, I have too many it's like so long every time I have I need to check Right now I just did a zippered up though. So it's gonna take a while, but I can what's that come into list ever post Yeah, cuz I accidentally added like max Susie or I think it was max Susie and it was completely destroying everything It was like day four of my Susie challenge was like I had like a total Linus situation of oh You want me to upgrade the system? Oh, I need to remove your entire desktop environment Like half of your applications and I'm like, no, we're not we're not pulling the Linus here. All right. Yeah right now. It's telling me Solution one install read line duck from OBS or conserve obsolete It's something from from which I'll try I'll do the thing then allow vendor change Do it and yeah, um Check if it's if it's able to oh God Switching everything to OBS a couple to Pac-Man I think it's fine. Oh, yeah, um zippered as a lot of stuff Six, I just did an update yesterday. It's insane. It's gonna update 600 packages That seems like a lot of stuff. Oh, no, that's that's typical for For time of way that happens a lot. You wait a few days. You're gonna get five or six hundred Updates, you know, I just did this up and said up because I otherwise it would I guess I can try this I don't know. I don't know if it would remove my codex by doing this, but I I can try this later I'm not gonna do that now But yeah, let me what's a zipper come into list Oh close list deeper repos Super repos details. Okay. I have a lot of stuff Well, when you tell me you're yas'd To check my software sources and whatnot. I think it was this is named Zenith In the discord channel I showed him my sources and he absolutely was like bro. What are you doing? And I'm like, I don't know what I'm doing like I Have a time it's open scusa. Yeah, I have a ton of repos to once you start using opi to install stuff You're gonna get a lot. Um, yeah, you just learn to think with opi That's something you have stuff that's way out of version and you can't really tell Well, in my case Yeah, in my case, it was a media codex I was starting to do some recording in that for the video But I was gonna post and I didn't have the media codex to view the stuff I even had on my system and I was like, oh, yeah, that's right Some of the distros they don't ship those for like legal reasons and whatnot. So I was like, all right So like Google how to install codex. Don't do that. Oh That's why I accidentally added that repo is because I just happened to click a one-click install from the Susie software That you get through the web browser that had that repo in it that just jacked up my whole system Just do opi codex Yeah, I learned that too after I unbricked my system Well, I say bricked you could still totally use the system like Katie was still working perfectly fine Like you just couldn't update the system because you were in an indefinite loop of choosing solutions that it couldn't figure out I think like I didn't update for like almost a month Because I just forgot I just didn't I know I don't update often. I don't think about it Well, I agree. I update once a month on most of my stuff We're gonna see the laptop. Yeah, I'm on a different laptop because can't be bothered to walk across the room to go get it, but Well, I just traveled with because I just got back from a work business trip. I got to go next week for another one I'm literally not gonna update it for two weeks and that's the one with tumbleweed on it And then we're gonna see when I do a zippered up after I get back in two weeks what's gonna happen because arch always grenade it on me if you didn't update it for like a week and So far zipper seems a lot more competent than Pac-Man is about that So you're gonna be fine. So I did well, I mean you should be fine I'm not gonna guarantee anything but I did a rollback all the way back to like November just a couple weeks ago and had to do all the updates from then it was like 1,700 updates Come on and work just fine There was a couple errors But I did the allow vendor change because the thing about what's good is they move the packages around to different repositories It's the most weird thing that they do and I don't know why they do it. They do it every time so Excuse me they they move them around so you always get these errors Sometimes you get that depends on how many repositories you have They move things around and then you have to do the thing that you have to do but I've never had a single problem over 200 days and That that rollback that I did was just like it took a long time because zippers slow as fuck, but It was that although it's not as slow as I remember it back when I played with it in a virtual machine and whatnot Like it feels like it's almost quicker than DNF. Maybe I'm just deranged and just tired, but I So I think that the mirrors for DNF and zipper are about the same Where DNF wins is that it allows parallel downloads So it goes faster because that zipper still doesn't allow parallel downloads and probably never will at this point I mean personally the thing I find the slowest is the fact that refreshes every single time you do a command Like I just want to search a repo like I don't care about refreshing You can it doesn't even check if it's it has to refresh so they can tell you to refresh it It's so stupid like don't don't do that So basically I have an alias that says packet pick a G search And I should obviously just a zipper dash dash no refresh space search And I use that for searching because I never want to I don't care, right? I'm searching Without it, but yeah, I can still search and zipper without refreshing it just shows you the hey You need to refresh your things and I'm like yeah, I don't want to right now. I'll do it later. I do zipper Let me do time That's the command right it tells you how long it takes. I was just a zipper search in the package name and how about Strawberry The first search strawberry. Oh, I just updated earlier. It's not gonna do it But it like it would take like at least like a good five seconds Just to like search Okay, minimum But if I do no search it does like one second Because it has to go to like every repo and check is it yeah, but not even refresh it Doesn't even refresh it like it's so weird And sir, that's you can use dash dash no refresh, but it's not in everything. Yeah, that's why Alice is it to Pg search because I mean I do want to refresh it if I'm gonna install something But I don't I don't care if I'm searching for package It's like what's the chance that the package was not in the distro and now they added it And like like in the last hour Like that doesn't make any sense. Actually, I don't even think it's actually refresh the package I think it checks if it's up to that or not and tells you you should run this come in you could just run a Crown job once every 12 hours to refresh your repositories, and I would never ask you again Yeah, but I found it sometimes it takes like less than an hour and it asks you again It does a check again. We have all these people listening to us and all you guys are listening to is a bunch of open Susie talk Yeah talking about that I wanted to try something else I think I've been thinking maybe void or something's really minimal because I have an ITRE build But I kind of want to try be like porting it over to something with like I Want to try just not using any KDE software because I use Kate I use dolphin I use a bunch of like KDE software and I use a Luggin Luggin manager right and I want to try just using like just like super bare-bone like Just like a like, you know like a tty install and I just add my dot files and install itry And I try to keep it as slim as possible try to get like I've like a dot files that just do what I want Just to because right now I'm depending on so much like KDE software and stuff and it's like it's a little I want to try out just minimalism a little bit more why boy weird What why void I mean I know I could I could do arch I don't know but I could do overrun. I don't know. I could do anything minimal. Are you are you going to use muscle or are you going to? Stick with glib C here. I mean how many more are you gonna go? I probably I probably do it like Gilib see I think I just I just wanted to like people were coming me like a Like a distro try out. I don't know like Like a minimal distra you install this like basically just a tty No, you know these kind of like void arch whatever I think I'm probably going to because I have like I Think I left out like 300 500 I remember how much? Gigabyte I've left at the end of my SSD, but I have some empty space at the end. So I thinking maybe I could try out something Is it technically I could like keep stay on open sues like remove the login manager remove Katie like but it's kind of like hard I've been thinking like it's like if you look at my home directory. There's so much stuff and it's not just stuff that I use It's a bunch of crap. I Want to like have I don't know what I maybe I'm weird But I want like a distro that's like super minimal like an arch style distro I want to put my dot files there with I tree You just have my dot files and nothing else so I can see it clearly and be like, okay This is my dot files This is my stuff and this is what I use and I can try out software and because when I'm on sues What I do usually that I oh, this is cool stuff, so I was install it Now I just do that kind of like probably Matt does to try out stuff or pretty much every next youtuber does this Right, but like the it's not much of stuff. It makes a mess but No, I feel like try I feel like having a second distro just to put my dot files on there Have like a super streamlined minimal version of my of my stuff Art should be I guess I could just install it on my on my laptop because I do have a laptop. I Couldn't install like like a void or whatever You see we're saying something Joe. Oh Just art should be easier to do that what he's talking about doing just have a very very minimal But everything still works art should be easier to do that If you're just trying to go to your base base very minimal, you could possibly have them just do arch What is cool? There's a lot of interesting things about it, but You do have you run into hardware problems. You run any setup problems you run up just stuff That's not available in the Repos. Yeah, that's probably the biggest problem. Yeah, you're trying to just like I mean, it's cool void is cool. I've never I've never used it. I've never installed it So I'm not an expert but like just looking at it read the documentation and talking to other people It's a cool system But if you're trying to just like for practical purposes just Have a minimal system you're talking about your dot files and it's just clean Like why do you talk about a window manager? Maybe I threw you something. It's just clean Then just do arch Yeah arch arch you can arch you could lose your mind getting like as close to the metal as you possibly want to get and Configuring it to configure it so you can make arch you can make it hard If you want to you can make it super hard But if you just want to get clean and bare metal just are sure like an arch base without system D or something like that Yeah, maybe hard eggs probably Overrun overrun looks super cool I had it install my system at some point, but then I realized it's probably shouldn't be my first distro So I switched to open suits and then but now I feel like When suits is actually like bringing me down It helped me go to the point where now I feel very very well with I train I haven't been to Katie in months Now I feel like I should probably coming back to it. That's what I told myself. I said, okay I'll Was like, okay, I'm gonna because what I wanted to do at first was to use large ride the DWM build of Luke Smith But I wanted to use it non-artics or arch. I wanted to use it on Oberon which is a special version it's system D3, but it uses It uses something with six and it's six. I think it's like an extension of Suits six or something that is a thing like that, but it's like a unit system. That's really cool it has like even more it has like a tree of dependencies of like the Little like system D, but without system D like it has like you your processes can depend on other processes But it's made in a way. That's not bloated like system D. So it's it's really cool But I know nothing about it, but I wanted to try it out But the thing is that larbs doesn't work on it because they use completely different package names It's not like artics where they use it like basically did just clone All the packages of arch they changed the name of some stuff and I I wasn't a TTY I didn't even install anything because I was like, okay, I want large so I was just in a TTY trying to like fix the script Make it work and I was like, okay. This is not a good first experience I'm just gonna go with open Suits, but I will come back So now I kind of feel like I should probably coming back now because I did tell myself I did swear to myself. I would come back to Oberon after We're going with Suits I think I should go and it's an arch base and it has a lot of software and I think you can enable you can use the AUR So I think I think that's a good idea. I mean, it would be on a second partition anyway What's the worst that can happen? You could always just install Gen 2. I mean Then then you then you have a full control over everything you could even go as minimal as you want no Bluetooth easy to install Gen 2 thing Red core is you like an all of us are for 10 days. Yeah, there you go. That's a good plan There's there's red core, but there's another one. I've seen just calculating It's like a like a flower panel. I think it's a someone just said it Bantu that is fun fun two is there and then there's That's air max did a video on it So the French youtuber that speak English did the really good video on the take a G kernel Let me try to find it So if you're gonna use Gen 2 just use Gen 2 It'll screw you over in the long run. Yeah Say that's a whole series on red core. Hey, it's not it's not bad. Just Choose a choose a package manager if you're gonna use it. Don't Either stick with Sisyphus or don't use Sisyphus at all. Don't mix and match because mix and matching is bad But they just kind of they just had a more a recent release red courted And they have a release they were going to have I don't know if it actually made it in or not But they did a Qtile version of it this time and it eats using my Qtile configuration files That's cool Yeah, you're a great. Yeah, the dev asked me to do a Rice for the official the Linux cad this row. This is like DT away You know if it made it in I don't know if it did I haven't used it so but it was supposedly made it in you should unironically like have Like a larbs like thing or something I Have you have settings for like so many different? Indominagers like personally what I want is to like have a setup for at least DWM and I tree and I want to be able to switch between them and Maybe at some point make it like my like an easy installer script, but like I don't know like Your setup is really really cool Why don't you like I think you have even like a script that changed the theme on the fly with certain stuff Why I'm pretty sure a lot of people would like using your setup. So like Luke does his His stuff based on a certain operating system So he has it for arch and for void for void I think and I could make a Open sous this row. Well, I could do for open Susan, but nobody uses open Sousa except for the people in my my server It's a very small niche thing. I don't know. Maybe I will someday I tried it when I did when I was on arch I wrote a script to do do so and Never updated ever again. I published it. It was there, but I never updated again Like I don't think I don't advertise it enough. I think you would have to like You you guys use a lot of other people's config files, or do you you look I look at I mean I'm not judging. I don't know I don't know because I look at other people's I'm like, oh, it's really cool I looked at mats like that's cool. And then I just made my own everyone Every one man that I've ever used I Was I've stolen from somebody else. So that's how I learned I three. It's how I learned DWM It's how I learned DSPWM Still made it your own, right? You still yeah, that's how I learned so I when I going into DWM I knew no see whatsoever. So I downloaded larbs and that's how I learned ever, you know, how to do DWM It got me into see with Qtile someone on Twitter shared me their their Configuration file and that's where I started off learning Python and learning how to do Qtile That's how it's just how it's it's easier for me to Start off with a base that I can use and just kind of get Yeah, I mean I I didn't mean like oh, you just got a blank text editor and just you know farted it out I don't know you got to look at somebody else's stuff to get started for sure even if you Know, you know what you're doing and kind of what you have in mind having somebody else's space I reuse my own code all the time and then refactor it into something else on my project So I was just curious because I don't know I mean, I guess I don't know that many people But I wasn't sure like you guys should just you know, it's that's a common thing Conflict files everywhere because I've looked at this too, and I didn't I wasn't that interested I'm personally I don't use it. I think I use just hold on a second. Nuggy bus. Go ahead. Go ahead sign the bomb Okay For me, it's one of those where like I usually a world I do is I'll go find a video from like DT Or Linux dabbler or a couple others and I usually just start by looking at their video And I'd copy a lot of the what they're doing then I'd kind of also just add my own stuff in as I went I was always kind of just a copy somebody else, but added on the fly Yeah, I get that. Who did you say Linux dabbler? I never heard of Really, he was a really good one. That's how I learned like all of what I know about DWM If you like watching Debbie and stuff his stuff is really good he doesn't make very many videos because he has kids and Doesn't have a lot of time to make videos, but Mike's awesome. He's a real good guy. Oh, what were you gonna say Nuggy bus? Oh, yeah, so for I tree I actually started with just stuck I tree But the thing about stuck I tree is that you basically have like an environment actually works It's not like DWM or something. That's the thing I like about I tree is that I think anyone can just start using it. It's pretty I would say decent defaults and You open up the man page and you have like the defaults there That's how I basically started up using it and then very rapidly I started modifying it and modifying it and modifying it Little by little and I got it to a point where I liked it pretty pretty well And then I started basically stealing a bunch of stuff from other people's Comfig like for example, I I went all the way back in the history to the last point in Luke's larbs where it was still I tree before he nuked it and Because he was on I tree before and I just steal a bunch of stuff from there and Then I look at people every time there's you know, I go in Munich for every time there's one that says I tree I click on it I check if there's a dot file and if there is I go through it rapidly if there's anything cool Like for example, there's a key binding to force quit instead of just asking the application to quit or you know a bunch of stuff like there's For example, like being able to pop up my camera in the corner of my screen That's also stolen from Luke's there's a bunch of really cool thing you can you can steal from other people's stuff Yeah, I don't know if there's nothing there's nothing wrong with that nothing wrong with that at all I was just curious if you guys are like Or if there was common to just like this is somebody else's setup and I'm gonna use it exact But yeah, but which I wouldn't assume it would be because Linux people tend to be They like to tinker so nobody's just gonna copy and paste anything I mean, they might clone the repo, but they're gonna make it their own anyway So just curious my first That's how I got into coding when I first started was I figured I had a look at somebody's source code Yeah, my just like a browser my first Usage of a window manager was with regolith. That's how I got into I3 and The guy that was ages and ages ago But my why that was fascinating for me was that it allowed me to basically Use a window manager but without losing all the you know stuff that I was used to when I used a desk I'm so I had a settings panel and was able to set wallpapers that direction and stuff And that was a good, you know first experience for me Into the window manager sphere and it didn't last very long because I was like because if you ever use regolith you can get kind of You can be very constrained by the way to do things especially I mean it wasn't as bad when I'd use it But it's way worse now Not worse isn't bad But worse isn't it changes I3 so much that they like all the config files are in different places and It's very very segmented and stuff. So it's not very It's basically not how you would do I3 if you're going to do it from you know from your from the ground up so It's just I think I'll grab a actual config and just to use it is if I'm like playing with a window manager And I want to go from like stock to like really customized and it'll only be for maybe like an hour or two Yeah, that makes sense I'll probably do the same thing with EWW because I cannot get EWW to start from the ground up So I'm gonna have to steal somebody else's to actually use I'm sorry Who was who was talking that I overrode? Go ahead So what I did for somebody I think it was on IRC. He said you got to use I3 You know, it's really cool. So I looked up a video on how to use I3 and The guy went through step-by-step what everything in the config file did and he made some changes to it So I was able to see you know get a little tutorial on how to use how to use a window manager right from the get go My second highest viewed video is actually a tutorial on I3 Well, it never goes out of like be it BSPWM goes in and out of popularity and Qtile goes in and out of popular popularity and now hyper lands here and eventually hyper land will go out of popular Popularity as well because there'd be something else different, but I3 just kind of stays Around it's constantly developed. They're always adding new features And and it's just a very rock solid window manager that if you want to get into window managers It's definitely One that I'd recommend because not only does it have not only does it do everything well But the documentation is just the best documentation you've ever you're ever gonna find. It's just so good Yeah, I'm not I'm not a manager guy, but I3 was the one that I figured I'd give it a shot You know, but I3 was the one that I goes to like see if I was kind of like this just because of the documentation What do you use? Right now. I'm on pop Yeah, I'm just I'm using cosmic But that that's for different reasons besides other than just like the workflow, but I When I was I was a fedora guy for a long time. I think I still say I'm a fedora guy But but I tried this years ago I tried to win a manage and I think last year I was trying it I was thinking I was watching one of your videos Matt where you were like, this is awesome And I was like man, that looks pretty sweet I like the workflow But I went to I3 just because the documentation was great It was easier for me to follow because I could go look through and look at the key bindings and all that stuff was Like place place got pretty good documentation. Someone else was gonna break in there. Who was who's talking? I was just gonna make a comment be uh, you know how you know BSPWM had a little resurgence there because DT shouted it out for a little bit Yeah, he's he was there for a while when he was doing his window manager things, you know, switching back and forth He's pretty much settled on Xmonad now from what's he was very interesting I don't want to talk to him about this the next time I had I have him in discord somewhere You guys noticed that DT hasn't done anything with a Wayland compositor at all like zero videos Ah, yeah, I need to start watching him Like he isn't touched hyperland. He didn't I don't think he's ever done a sway video Um, he's just firmly like he doesn't even he hasn't even really ranted about Wayland Like you like he's not anti-Wayland. He just hasn't covered it at all. And that's I mean I don't know Derek he's probably checked out Wayland in his free time and he just it's one of those he sees the appeal but just doesn't like it himself Look at me. I haven't anything to add because I From what I can kind of gather just You know kind of watching his videos and seeing his opinions on different stuff I can kind of guess that he probably likes Wayland and all just doesn't particularly care So it just sticks to Xmonad like he likes well as a content creator I know that I'm always trolling for content. So it's just surprised me sometimes that he hasn't made some content on it Um, even if it's negative content because he does a good rant just like anybody else does It was just very surprising that he's like the Second biggest linux youtuber out there and just hasn't covered it at all. Um Nobody can troll for views though quite like Brody Brody's just he's just a smooth criminal with that one He's not gonna give him the Wayland shill just just pay attention to the tech over tfeed coming up I think two weeks from now There'll be a very familiar face on they're talking about Wayland and Xmonad and or and That's not work I like Brody. Okay. Yeah, I do Yeah, he's a he's a very good guy. Um, yeah mrs I miss is I miss is like subtle about configuring like stuff because he he he was it was really good Like when you reviewed software and whatnot He's got a little gun in the news He did really good videos even in depth But he went like he was one of the best one like he was very clearly inspired I mean, I don't know if you guys know this but at first he was basically like, uh He was he was shouted out by um and the early beginning he was shouted out by luke smith That's one of the reasons why he got like popular And and that kind of stuff But and he was doing like, you know, luke smith type of videos like useful going about software Here's what here's how to do certain things And then like slowly but surely now he's like basically just like doing like, I don't know like history stuff You know, like I mean, it's fine, but He does all like talking head videos and whatnot and I don't mind them sometimes I'll turn them on in the background and just listen to him because I was kind of curious what his opinion is on on things because he does a pretty good job Summarizing different topics and whatnot and I did like his wayland shill video. I got a good laugh out of that That's pretty good. I I like it when he does. Um, there's a couple channels that I listened to that probably are not linux Uh experts and they're not um Like what is a dj where uh like that guy's real technical I like his stuff because it's technical and I like his opinions on like big picture industry stuff But I like Brody because he's always talking about something that maybe I didn't hear about or if he is talking about it Like he goes way more in depth than I'm I have time to go look for it so Yeah, I don't know where he finds his I know he gets a lot of his topics from reddit, but Some of the I don't I don't always have the time to go dig through that stuff Just like when Matt shows up in the video that uh is something that I'm probably not going to use And I'm not that interested in it per se I still watch the video and give it a thumbs up because it's like Well, I've never heard of that piece of software before he went and looked at it and gave me a little video on it and like Oh, that's cool. I found a couple things that I thought were useful But you know, but that's that is a lot of the reason why I watch math channels He's talking about something that I maybe didn't have to go time It's saving me time on a particular topic. So I like those. I don't know. That's just me though I got another piece of software for a video. It wasn't going to be posted tonight But I think I'll post this tonight instead That will be like that that probably nobody will use um, especially so it's like half broken But it'll be fun to post about anyways Um, I like half broken things. Those are the best. Can we get this pointer? It smells like beaver Emonetized The the name it's called beaver notes. So you can check that out if you want to it's it the video's But video's recorded in halfway through halfway Uh edited I was gonna because I was gonna post it tonight, but I think I'll post the Lug tonight if if this goes, you know, just post this and people can watch it Probably from now on if if I can get my Wayland woes to You know stop Please I beg you wet Wayland to stop hating me so much If I if I can get to get that all fixed up probably end up start streaming this so we can have kind of like a chat going alongside But as of right now, I just kind of recording because this is kind of like a test another test run, but um, yeah, I Will end up posting that on on sunday, but I find these applications like A lot of the stuff I I get like from omg a boon tune stuff I guess I could open up in a tab because you guys wonder how I always have so many tabs like right now I have Oh, hell, I don't know Actually, I have to see so I have like I see eight 18 34 9 11 2 and 7 Those are the tabs that I have open and half of those are the 34 at least are all video ideas And that's what I do when I find somebody like blogs about an application somewhere random I will Open up a tab send it to the proper workspace put it in it's in its tab group or tab stack in vivaldi And then we'll just live there forever. So for example, I have About 10 tabs open that just have to do with applications Some of them, by the way, have been open for two years at least Like there's one here That's crazy So many tabs to minus crazy and I have them spread in two places. So impressive There's yeah, it's impressive That's crazy. It is crazy. So I have one here called the coon the kunja vik unja It's a it's a self-hostable to-do list application and it looks awesome, but it requires quite a bit of like Work around and actually over to get working and so I can't do the video until I have the time to sit around it so I've just been sitting there and and uh In a tab probably since 2022 or so. It's been there for a while. I don't even at this point It may not even be still being updated What's the reason what's the yeah probably not what's what's the reasoning behind uh, like keeping it in a tab instead of just like Putting in a markdown file or something because I lose I lose the markdown file or I wouldn't look at it by having them in a space I Like I can they're here I know that they're here and and every day I'll just come Look through these tabs and know that they're if they were in a markdown file I'd either lose the markdown file Or it would just be out of sight out of mind and I'd always be like I'd know that that file was there But I'd never use it. So this way I have the tab open It's costing me resources. I mean, no, it doesn't matter that much to me I I can you know It's a it's a cost kind of thing where I can kind of feel like I have these things there and As when I close an application or I close a tab because I did the video It's just kind of like knocking it off a to-do list and it's it's very kind of rewarding It's definitely not a workflow that's for everybody because I know that bothers people that People here like you've had you've had tabs open for three years. Like yeah, I really really have I do the same thing for like stuff that I want to read. So if there's an article like I've used things like pocket before I have a pocket account There's stuff in my pocket account from for like from like 15 years ago that I've never read because I don't go into the pocket I you know like I have pocket on my phone now. I'll save an article to pocket on my phone I'll never see that article again because I'm never going into pocket to go read it So yeah by having it in a tab at least have it in my face And there's much better chance than you actually, you know Either doing the video or reading the article or whatever Yeah, I I get it. I was just I was curious about it I was laughing my wife because she put stuff over here Like it's she'd stop doing it but for like the longest time she put it over here Like you have to do this so she put it because she would think that it would be in my face and I'd like only I'm probably five minutes. So it's like if you put it there, I'll never see it again It was right there. I just threw it out. Yeah, it's gotta be in this one. It doesn't exist I just my mentally it doesn't exist. So you put it there and that's the best way to make sure that I will never do it Now it's like Now it's like kids pictures and yeah, whatever because she's like, oh, it won't work. He's like I see it The amount of tabs that I have is kind of like I mean, it's become a meme at this point the people who store all of their stuff on the desktop and icons and stuff I'm basically that guy but for tabs, you know, yeah, my desktop My desktop is clean. I don't have anything I know it's a picture. I gotta I got my desktop picture that I want to look at That's it. Everything else is tucked away in a little cranny when I boot up in the morning You don't want to open my lid. I just I just want to see the desktop and be chill I have to get it. I understand desktop icons should be banned Uh, I truly honestly believe that they should not be something like here's something I true I very much agree with the you know, I'm guys on is that they should definitely We're completely right in making it so that you had to Work around that in order to use them. Um, but that's mostly because I'm very You know, I mean you guys all probably saw the the the home the home directory video. I just did I want my my everything organized every every file and directory exactly where it is and and yes, I hoard tabs with Guys the amount of organ reason why I like Vivaldi so much is because I can organize them like crazy So I have categories of of of tab groups So I have one for distros I have one for apps all these things and they and that's within a Workspace called ideas and it's just very organized So and my file system is exactly the same way The people who put their Shit on the desktop drive me nuts because none of it's organized. It's like like my my mother does this right and it drives me I know I see people work that do that. It's just crazy You should have seen me back when I was a windows user because I'd usually have like half my desktop with icons But they were organized. I would have like this corner's for games. This corner's for files. This one's for game launchers But it's it's such a thing that apple created those stacks things So like I don't know if it was this version of macOS, but or the previous one Where basically what they'll do is they'll group everything with similar file type automatically for you by default So if you have a whole bunch you have a bunch of pictures It's going to automatically put them in a stack and then you click on it It will like expand out with a fancy animation or whatever But apparently apple users are the worst at this because they they created a mechanism to organize things for those people and I guess god bless those guys because they're doing god's work, but I just don't put don't put everything on there It's my uh driving nuts My father-in-law is uh, he lives with me. Uh, he's 80 and He's got a desktop and he's pretty he's a pretty sharp guy Uh for being 80, but he's not a computer guy at all Uh at all at all so But he uses windows and he uses chrome because I can't get him to switch and that's just what he's doing and He doesn't always remember how bookmarks work, but he can always figure out how to save the html page So when you look at his desktop It's just little chrome logos everywhere And it's full of just these little chrome logos and then to watch him find something like he literally just has his mouse And he's like looking Goes down another row. I want to pull my hair out every time. I'm like, you know, there's better ways to do it He's okay. You showed me but this is how I do it Hold on. I'm gonna open this for you. Hold on. Let me get it here a second. Is it this one? No, no, no. Is it this one? Oh, just It drives me nuts Look at all my cards everywhere I my friend He he does the thing of hoarding tabs as well, but he has it completely unorganized in opera gx of all the browsers He I think I think the last time we counted it he had over 500 tabs Between five different windows and no workspaces What in the cord brad hell? Literally So But all of the memory is saving with opera gx. Yeah. Yeah Yeah, he's got speed boost on man speed boost on right Not affected at all Guy that was a Hey chrome, you're on a diet compared to me Yeah Chromey looking thick girl I can I can see the amount of tabs I have open right now Um, it's it's it's worse probably than most here. Uh in my brave right now. I have 162 And in my fire fucks it's about and that one it comes out like probably like a couple years worth of stuff in there and that one is like 2,100 something What no Screenshotter doesn't exist I don't believe you. Yeah. I don't understand you like I get mad one of you. I like It's so funny and yeah, it has a funny thing with icons on this stuff at some point So it reminds me of this. Yeah, I get mad stakeholders like savings. I'm sorry. Go ahead Oh, okay. Sorry, but yeah No, it's one of those where I get mad's workflow because he's like putting it in his face, but it's a nice organized groups How in the corkbread hell can you have that many tabs organized for the sake of like dougie there? Like, how do you have that many tabs organized? He doesn't have have that many they're not organized That's the thing. Uh, well, how the The the brave bros are they're They're they're mostly recent stuff It's like I have like d-menuscripts. I want to steal I have videos about cool stuff by, um Linux dabbler open I have what is this? Um, a cool thing that you can self-host on your website. Let's cover other similar website thing Have other people's website. I have lf open. What is this reddit thing I have open here. Um How can I animate? I I guess I think I think if you're using an awesome thing awesome one to measure thing Over here. I have a video about vim from 11 years ago, but it's probably still worse um I have a 12 year old program about Recording in linux events here open over here. Have a get t about a minimal screen editor Fork of classic. I see I have I just have a bunch of shit and I don't I don't put it where I need to It just pauses out I don't have any tabs man There's a happy medium behind from having no tabs, which I don't understand and and then nuggy bus who has 4 000 tabs I think I'm I'm in the happy medium like my 120 don't look so bad When I should put them in the right text file, that's what I should do Because I that's what I've been doing in the past couple days I've been looking at the tabs and reducing them and closing everything that's not required Like everything that's like man, I just close it and then everything that's kind of cool I try to make for example, I did a today. I did a more down file called File browsers or whatever file File explorer and I just have a bunch of file explorer. I have lf Ranger the usual one but also a bunch of other cool stuff that I found and I'm like, okay I'm just gonna make a list whatever that's what I should be doing. I should be doing lists And one thing one thing that kept me on windows for a long time like as a as my daily driver I had to have it as I was using one note I had to have it for work like one note was my only thing that kept me there for the longest I tried all the work arounds I could do I needed one note and then I thought I like man, I'll just use markdown files or whatever and then it was such a pain in ass, but I found uh Download as markdown. It's an extension. You can get in any browser firefox chrome anything chromium base or firefox Or I think it even has one for safari, which I don't know about but It'll just spit out whatever page you're on as a markdown file And I just used it right to your download folder So what I ended up doing now for my system so I don't have tabs is if I find something Maybe I need this. Maybe I don't I'm not sure and I'm not actively working with it I just I want to download as a markdown and it gives you a little prompt Just like a clip to one note where you can add your little note at the top Add your little note markdown that shoots it into the download folder And then once a week because once a week I got to go and I downloaded something just now and I got to find it I need it right this second. I'm like, holy shit. There's a lot of stuff in my downloads folder So now I got to clean it out and then I move around right now. I'm using obsidian my note So now I got to organize it that also gives me a chance like hey, do I really need this? Do I care? Well, maybe I don't but in my obsidian vault. I have an archive folder It's like we're just toss junk and then it's now it's searchable But I don't lose my tab. I don't lose it, you know, whatever I mean, I have a ton of shit in there that I probably should get rid of but I don't know maybe I'll need it later But that's how I say organize though is like because I I'll go somewhere and I like that little Oh look a squirrel like that's me real easy So I need I need a way to just like oh that's cool But that's a later cool That's not right now. I gotta work. I gotta work. So I want to look at that later I don't know maybe look into something like I mean whatever system you use if matt's uh matt's You know for bajillion tabs open is working for him and go ahead do it I gotta look the place about it. But if it's if it's straight in your system or you you're not getting it done Then maybe look at something like that If I don't necessarily I don't necessarily think that a bunch of tabs is really that much of a problem because most modern browsers have a nice tab search so you just You just like control shift a on chrome or like percent t or whatever it is on firefox or whatever There's usually a Kind of search you just search for whatever you have open Yeah, I'm sure it's not a I'm sure it's not a problem 10 years ago like maybe resources and stuff But everything goes to sleep now. I'd be very no See I do the thing is guys is that even firefox does put tabs to sleep. It still has Gigantic memory usage just like every other browser out there, but even with tabs closed You're gonna end up using quite a bit of memory and stuff and it's not even the memory that is going to get you It's going to be the processes that it opens even for closed tabs So It can't be that bad You're on a potato like I am it probably matters, but we're gonna start a web browser temperance movement See i'm just the guy that just tell all of you to use q browser and be done Will you say w All we're gonna say I end up I used to do tabs especially like through college and whatnot I would just have garbage loads of tabs and chrome and whatnot and Well, I still haven't moved away from chrome yet. I'm working on that, but give me a couple years I'm stubborn don't want don't want to rush these things. We'll just wait till firefox dies. Then I'll switch Well, like it's not bad like here's the worst part I do use firefox 2 and it's because google chrome is so trash when downloading like half the Software or like if I go to download a distro It'll just block it for no reason, but it doesn't pop up and tell me it blocks it It just says no not doing that So then I have to grab the link open up firefox and then download it in firefox half the time Just use just my own rant you can use it. I mean they have download man I always wonder why people use download managers But a lot of people use download managers exactly for that reason because then they can fully have the downloads right in their face um, yeah, you just get right around it you you guys only obviously W uses more than one for different reasons you guys use like a dedicated browser This is this is my browser. This is the hill. I'm gonna die on I use just this one the ball. I have Yeah, I know you've talked about the baldy that you love it Which I looked at it the other day because I don't I still don't have a decent email client that I like um made our desktop local Um, but I look at the baldy and I might give it a shot But like I have chrome chromium Firefox I've been looking at Lieberwolf. I have multiple I have an edge right now. I use ed and use an edge this week Um, I do I'm sorry. You got to get off the pocket That's just too much Microsoft from azer It's gonna use ii seven and a vista vm. That's what that's what I seven was bad in my in my defense In my defense I work and there's certain things that I have to use that for whatever reason because Microsoft are I think we're family friendly here. So I don't think I'm gonna say it out loud But you guys get the idea about what kind of people Microsoft are Uh, they make my life extreme. I don't work for them, but I they make my life extremely difficult Unless I am as plugged into the ecosystem as possible. I'm the same way they get Fortunately, yeah, they get if they get too like wait a minute this guy's Wait a minute. What does this guy do and he might be like one of those deplorable people we don't like They will mess my shit up. So I have to in certain instances, which is where edge comes in I have to have an actual visual studio account and be on an edge browser and Use my single sign on and I have the little authenticator thing on my phone or else I get kicked out and blacklisted No, I can't make money. So I have multiple browsers installed But I only use Vivaldi. So I have right now. I have I have Vivaldi. I have florpe. I have chromium. I have firefox I have four installed For sure Maybe more than that, but the only one that I use is is Vivaldi Florpe I think could be like the browser the future for me because it's very close to what Vivaldi offers But it's not quite there yet if they continue to develop that I may end up being able to switch to it But We'll see because it's going to have to have better Workspace and tab stack support and right now it just doesn't and they're rewriting the workspace thing But from what I hear it's just going to be basically tab groups, which this isn't quite all the way where I need to go I don't know I've I've switched back and forth between browsers like crazy If I mean you guys watch my channel any amount of time, you know that I've Had a very interesting and long long running browser Like hopping session there. There was one point there where I was making a I switched web browsers video like three times in Six months. It was nuts. Maybe even weeks Um, I've done that but Vivaldi for me Just works with the way that that for that. I went workflow It bugs me though because so the I thought the ceo guy that is actually in charge of Vivaldi follows me I'm asking on and one of these days. I'm gonna gather the courage to actually confront that guy for having the audacity In his bio to say I support open web standards and open open source Technology like dude your browser is proprietary. What are you doing? I don't understand. How can you say that you're you're an open source advocate and and support open standards And then have a proprietary browser. It doesn't make sense to me. No, he's not an absolutist Yeah, so I mean if I remember right, it's not all proprietary. It's just the UI, right? Yeah, and I think So It's just chrome with the skin on it So the only part that they've made closed source is their branding, you know, yeah The thing is important. The thing is different Um, yeah, I think the thing with Vivaldi is yeah, it's the UI I think it was tech lord who ended up doing an interview with the ceo and actually kind of got that answered Yeah, it's just the skin, right? That's the the brand It's so that people couldn't just totally lift their design and they just went away with it saying it's theirs Which no one would do. I mean Yeah, they were money. How what's their business model? They get paid by microsoft What they get paid by microsoft search just being my default. Yeah, it being things by default In vivaldi obviously that's the first thing that I change But yeah, they I don't know I don't know how much money they get because they're not as transparent about it as mozilla Obviously because they're not, you know, if they make a good browser And they like worked with the community. There will be no reason why there would be a fork that would end up being more popular It could just like firefox. It could that there is like very popular It's not in that in that kind of scenario. It's not that I'm going to go fork for valdi and steal all of the valdi users I'm going to go fork for valdi and steal microsoft That's who they're protecting themselves against It's not that somebody's going to steal their skin and put it on another browser and then All the users are going to go away. They're protecting the business model where they're locked in with microsoft money Well, that also on their website they argue That by being partially proprietary they're Specifically when it comes to their ui is that they're protecting their ability to have brand A very unique brand so they don't have everyone you you open up Vivaldi, you know that it's Vivaldi because it looks like Vivaldi and They their argument is that if someone were able to fork it because it's open source They could use that and then if there would be brand confusion because there's basically two browsers that look exactly the same But we know Absolutely know that that's not true because Firefox has a ton of different forks out there Nobody cares did so much redesign to look like chrome because they're dying Yeah, so it's just like like nobody confuses libre wolf for Firefax because nobody in the grand scheme of thing. Nobody uses libre wolf now granted You could you could argue that they don't want to emulate firefox because firefox is dying and it's going to Be dead very soon Maybe that's the only thing like old school old schooled Opera which was actually pretty cool and they're adding like a bunch of stuff on top of it The guy who started opera runs Vivaldi. They're the same dude. So um Not that surprising that they've emulated opera quite a bit. Thank god. They haven't put in the speed booster I'm just That'd be a push too far if the speed booster comes on there I'm I'm gonna leave because that's the stupidest thing I've ever seen in my life. Like everybody You don't want to boost but you might need to save 2% of your cpu for your web browser Well, and they did it that their speed in opera their speed was first came out when like Dial-up was still very prevalent in a lot of places even here in the united states And it was it was meant to their slogan at the time I don't know the slogan but their their claim at the time was that it made dial-up faster and I was like Please come on. No, you can't make dial-up faster. There's literally a technological limit on the modem It is going as go as fast as it can go That's it. It's not going to go any faster. Your web browser technology is not going to make any faster And that that bug me that's bugged me for 20 years Um, okay. Okay. If that was like that back then I could see or maybe back then there were some of the older systems were like Yeah, maybe their cpus were limiting the download or like the some of the dial-up speeds, but I kind of doubt and that's just that would be a computer problem at that point, but maybe I'm not buying it download more ram. So your computer is faster, you know Okay I actually did find a way to download more ram So, yeah, you sign up for google drive and you mounted a swap space Yeah And the latency is like oh, it's only 34 It's only 50. You better have an amazing internet. Yeah somebody tell jake that Direct fiber line to google All right, I wonder here who's gonna be brave enough tell jake to do that just because that'd be funny as hell I would think josh would do that I mean not google, but like would use like a drive services swap He's he's would have something to do like there'd be tail scale involved and maybe engine x All these all his technologies that he's always into and then he'd figure out how to do it through all those things We could do it from basically anywhere in the world Uh, yeah So basically he'd be sharing his his home server ram with his laptop, but they're not in the same location That I mean that sounds cool, but completely unnecessary Every fun Watch the video Yeah, exactly watch the video I mean, there's a lot of things josh does that i'm like, why are you doing this bro? Like it's entertaining, but like what's the point here? Josh is awesome, but he does things in complicated ways The very complicated setup and that's one of the reasons why he can't stand a distro because his setup is so weird That no distro is built to accommodate it He that's why that's why gentu is the best distro for him because he can he can tailor his His distro towards his setup, but he likes to hop. He's he's a hopper Oh, yeah Which is fine. I used to be a hopper and then I found the best distro in the world open susan Use in the gecko Yeah, i'm still a hopper I still jump around a little bit like I said earlier like a probably a fedora guy But because i've been used to that the most over the last couple years But like right now i'm on pop because i'm uh, i'm really interested in Rust and i'm really interested in the cosmic desktop So i've been daily driving it to Look at everything and I want to contribute to the cosmic project. So I don't know. I actually want to put cosmic on top of the door up, but I want to see what that looks like Also good being curious when it comes out When it comes out, uh, when the alpha comes out, um, I'm probably gonna Work on that as a project. I don't think I'm gonna make a spin But I want to I want to see what that looks like as like I said, I'm interested in rust um But I like I still jump around a lot though, but it was just like I actually hate knowing but uh I don't know kitty kitty in for door never works on my machine So I always got some better problem. I'm always but I'm always on a potato There's a there's a high he's always flaky for me There's a dearth of desktop environments out there if you don't want to use Or katie I mean budgie exists, but budgie doesn't know what the hell it's doing xfc is good And probably the best alternative to both of them, but a lot of people don't like the The workflow of of of xfc There's elix cute, but nobody uses it and you know, it's not well developed that there's you know cinnamon But that thing is so tied to mint I mean, yes, you can use cinnamon on a boon to or for the war or whatever, but if Not to say On Yeah Did you say you're using cinnamon on slack or you did use cinnamon on slack slack where bob? I'm saying I could there's a cinnamon slack builds How are extra hold on a second? How old is the package? Just just be honest about it. Is it pretty new? I have no idea. I've not looked I'd be interesting to find out the version number there Well, I know I can do it next time. I'm in there. I'm on windows right now Just because I got to jump in with a community night for some streams, but Where you say w I was going to say I know at one time and don't ask me why I know this Um, I was playing around with free bsd like a year and a half ago And I'm fairly certain at one time. They had a cinnamon build in free bsd I'm sure they do Yeah, I think it's horribly broken now like the last time I tried to install it Well, to be fair, I couldn't configure x to actually work on free bsd But I wasn't over my head at that point. So I just gave up Yeah Is a fine distro cinnamon is a fine desktop environment, but it's just If I'm going to use something that's xfc like I'm just going to use xfc That's that's the way that I like it. It's just There's something about the way cinnamon works that just doesn't really jive with me and it feels like Yeah, it does a lot of things that xfc does and it does a lot of things that genom do And it just feels like a desktop environment that doesn't have its own identity It's tried to do too many things from two different different places And it just bugs me quite a lot, but And you guys know my reputation with linux mint I do think that it fits. I do think that it fits mints Ethos quite well, and they've done a good job of tying cinnamon and and meant to get together Um And it just done a good job there and it feels like if they would I don't know it just feel if it feels like that'd be a good project to be on a rolling release if they were more active and Larger, you know where it was kind of more in the forefront and you were Because you don't hear some I mean cinnamon is like the probably the third most popular Desktop environment out there probably I mean I don't know any of the numbers, but it just feels like All you hear about is Exipsy or excuse me. Genome and Katie. All the rest of them are just also rands for the most part and it's it's Yes, we have selection, but all of the rest. I mean, they're just it feels like they don't have The the community cache a if you will That the the two big boys have and and that's disappointing for me because I want there to be more Options I I think that genome kind of steals all the oxygen out of the room, right In what's a little bit is left is is done by um thing um, go ahead Dennis We can't hear you bro You're broken Mike muted or something. Yeah, either you're muted or your your pipe wire is broken It is Added for now while he's looking while he's trying to fix that. Uh, what's the current version of cinnamon? Um Six I think because they just did 21 three. This is LM DE. I just got the latest update CSB is 6.0 matt I can have straight up up to date cinnamon on slack. I I I'm my mental alien I'm just I'm just so shocked by that. Um, then because that means there's someone out there that uses slack Where that keeps that package up to date Right now Like nine people talk all at the same time so I have no cool anybody just said so Dennis did you get to get your audio fix No, we doesn't seem so. Yeah, we can't hear you man, uh, you're definitely on linux. We know you're you know You're on linux because your audio is not working No, I mean like I don't know I landed on cinnamon back and like 2017 2016 somewhere in there And at the time I was moving off window 7 and the workflow just clicked for me Because I've just always worked in that style like windows xp windows 7 style workflow And I've just never left. I just it's like this is what I like. This is what I want to use I'm stubborn. So I just keep using it and whatnot And I have xfce on a few machines like I was stupid I bought one of these cheap best buy like hundred dollar laptops Just to like screw around with it. No, I put xfce on that but You know, otherwise most of my stuff like this old laptop is Letting cinnamon just fine and you're you're the the token cinnamon user on on the on love. I'm a mint shell. I'm sorry I have uh get off my podcast I have lmg. Yeah, I've got lmg on a uh a tiny hp like 14 or whatever that thing's gotta be 10 years old It runs like a champ. I mean, it's a little piece of garbage. It's got four I don't remember the specs on it. It's 10 years old. It was a cheap one when I got it, but it runs Yeah, it runs just fine Yeah, that's actually the one that I take with me Uh when I got to go places and I might get mugged or I'm gonna drop it I don't have problems with mint. I just I have problems with their developers Nuggy bus you asked me what my opinion on mate was I like mate But I can never get it to run anything It's the crassiest desktop outside of xfc or outside of kde that I've ever used for whatever reason No matter what computer I'm on it just crashes It doesn't trust me. It doesn't let me weird. Yeah um, I've got mint mate on a x1 carbon over here That it it sort of works, but it's it's weird sometimes I have a it would not surprise me now that martin wimpress has moved on to nyx os and is no longer As involved doesn't feel as involved with the mate project as it was It wouldn't surprise me if mate kind of fades into the background because Correct me if i'm wrong. It feels like the genome two guys have finally decided that genome three or or they found alternatives at least to That suit their workflow a little bit and and while there are still mate people out there they It's it's very quiet Oh, hey Oh So I had the wrong Selected that was a big problem I'm on dental We can roll back feet back there Yeah, and and we can hear ourselves That sounds like hearing I'm gonna mute you and tell you get that fixed. Okay, you're you're murdering our ears. Just raise your hand again if you think you get it fixed All right, um Linux audio Ladies and gentlemen, that's exactly We all know that feeling like Just jesus, um Yeah, so mate has that Thing where it just kind of feels like it's kind of fading in the background. It'd be interesting to see Where it goes because correct me if i'm wrong. It doesn't really feel like they have a plan for wailand whatsoever I mean, maybe that's come out and I just haven't seen it um but I mean Even xfc has a plan for wailand guys even xfc does Um, obviously cinnamon does budgie budgie has a plan But they won't stick to the plan because they never stick to any of the plans that they come up with Um, so I don't trust their plans whatsoever, but they have a plan I haven't seen a plan from mate yet, but maybe there is one and I just haven't I haven't missed it um Yeah, I was just really kind of do that and right here on the mate wiki There's a wailand piece here and that almost all of it's finished. Oh really that surprises me a lot um Wow, okay. I guess i'm completely wrong about that then drop the link in it. I'll drop the link in the log chat Well, and I don't know if it's if with their window manager if it's not like cinnamon where they forked it off of um, ganomes window manager and so they kind of I think indirectly able to kind of ride the Oat tails a lot Because like cinnamon wailand was like they just flicked a switch on and I'm like Sure, it crashes and it has a lot of problems But like I was shocked like when nick from the Linux experiment ran I'm like really you can already game on wailand on cinnamon. That's that's crazy Yeah I would get into wailand myself, but welcome to using nvidia and having a card that wasn't super popular What card do you have uh the 1660 ti That was at the time of like the 26 like the 20 series for the rtx cards Those were bad it was always just kind of the lower middle end area that never really sees a lot of limelight Well, I should just say middle not kind of a middle end either way but Yeah I don't know. I'll be curious how wailand treats 10 series cards because I've got a 1070 in my video editing rig And just in the next few years it'll be curious to see how 10 series gets treated because I know on windows 10 series is kind of getting treated pretty poorly at this point Well, it's gonna get treated poorly here too because it doesn't support wailand hardly at all So all all of nvidia's You know Attempts to make wailand work on their cards has all been focused on the rtx stuff And even the rtx 20 series is is kind of being left in the in the in the dust So if you don't have a Any The the with their stuff being more open source now than it was before maybe some of the older stuff will get done but More likely what they'll do is they'll be able to take some of that stuff and put it into New ovo new avo new ovo, whatever the hell it's called Um new ball new ball. That's it. Thank you. I'm gonna start with an N and my spanish is shit. Um Uh, so um, but anyway, maybe some of that open source stuff that nvidia has shared will Will continue to filter down to that and some of the older stuff will actually work on wailand, but I doubt It's gonna be a long long process It's one of the reasons why I've kind of been very outspoken about wailand not being ready yet because I mean Linux is I I would Most people who are running linux are running on hardware. That's not Pleading edge. They're running on a 16 or a 10 1080 or uh, you know, you know a 970 or something like that Or they have an old laptop that they're running on. I mean Think pads are the thing all of them are old and you know having to come up with a Piece of software that doesn't run really well on that older stuff kind of Is going to leave quite a few people out and and that's one of the reasons why I've been so anti-way We had also because it does stupid shit like not capturing screens properly Still like yeah, why are you doing this to me? Waitland? Well, and it's it's hard because I have some older AMD hardware too like I have it's in the other room, I guess Uh latitude 6440 and it has well actually got an hp here too has dedicated radeon graphics But it's an old radeon hd series And you try to run like kaden live or something when you're on wailand or whatnot and like it will crash the display server Like you won't believe kaden live on wailand is still just it's really really not good Like like the other day yesterday I went I guess it was two days ago I went to edit the video that I was going to post that evening and for whatever reason Kaden live had crashed And you guys know when kaden live crashed every once in a while it'll pop up like kaden live crashed Would you like to reset your profile and basically just completely resets the application? So I did that because you know, I've done it many times before it happens every once in a while It's a kaden live thing The thing is is that when I went opened up kaden live again and wanted to actually move all the panels around where I needed them to go At least on hyperland you can't move panels around it won't let you like it Will pull it out of the ui and then just leave it there And it won't treat it as floating and you can't put it back And then I was like, you know that has to be like a hyperland thing but I went to The wailin version of plasma which I have installed and that happened the exact same way and this is a kde application that doesn't work well In wailin now according to the somebody on mastodon They said it's because qt 5 just doesn't work well on matt on wailin And that's the reason why they've been pushing qt 6 and plasma so hard to get to that point So going so far as to like you guys all know how Much the plasma guys really love their updates like they update a lot They haven't updated since 5 that 27 and that was well in the last year So you can that's how important getting to 6 was for them that they basically paused all updates On major versions and put started working on plasma 6 and it's all because of wailin so it's I have many thoughts on wailin Many of them still very very negative I like hyperland though a lot And if I didn't like hyperland, I probably would have switched back from back to x-monad by now but I do really like hyperland a lot, but There's still just some things that just they don't work. It's just i'm sorry. They just don't work Yeah, there's still a lot with wailin that i'm like we've still got a road to climb up On to get to a point where everything pretty much just works, you know, I as oh, no, we have to ship it right now Yeah, yeah, I deal with that at work. Trust me. Oh, we got to ship it right now when it's not ready and doesn't work and What I'm saying wailin doesn't work I've I've got a bun to on a surface go and I've been messing with it now for like two or three weeks And it runs flawlessly. I haven't had any issues with wailin apps. I've run discord on it discord seems to be work Just fine Some of the scaling gets a little weird because x-wayland doesn't seem to handle scaling as well as some things But like You know a large generic stuff that I do like run thunderbird run stuff like that works. Okay You know browse the internet and whatnot Um, but you know as soon as I pull up obs or as soon as I pull up something, you know more task heavy And then it's just a problem Is it way than like 10 years old? Technically, yes Yeah, technically Yeah, it's been in development since 2008, but it wasn't ready until like recently Yeah, I believe I believe that I'm with uh I was forget for everybody's name War Thunder w I'm in the same boat where like hey, you just it's not ready. I don't care ship it It's broken ship it. Don't complain it, you know, whatever ship it will work out as we go. That's agile um Yeah, it's not It's not but whatever that's what I get told all the time this it's agile. That's how we do it here now Continuous improvement. That's fine. But at some point you do got to say like no, we we either have a product or we don't So if you do have a product that's half ass viable Yeah, you got it ship And you got to listen to the complaints and everything in open source moves a little bit slower And everything that has to do with Linux moves a little bit slower because not only do you have a committee of like 10 project managers because it's Linux we have like 1.2 million Everybody's Everybody everybody in the community. There's everyone has their own way of doing things Everyone wants their voice to be heard everyone wants their Way of doing things to be the way of doing things and when they don't get their way They fork it and then we have five different projects that all are doing the exact same thing It's great But there's a down there's made downsize to that What Wayland desperately needs is to be one solitary thing And once they become one solitary thing They need to have a beta branch where they can do their stuff They can break the things if they need to break it and you can just run like an LTS version of Wayland and you know Just run it and know that your things that work But they did the exact same thing with pipe wire. So Basically the same guys are working on both projects. They all work for the same You know a lot of them anyway all work for red hat, right? and when they did when they were doing the Pipe wire thing in the pipe wire transition was really happening About two years ago or so. Everybody was choosing pipe wire as the default You know, your boon too did it and open susa did it and fedora obviously did it Long and long ago because that's what fedora does You know, you know, they did the exact same thing. They basically treated the entire community as They detesters, you know, you're going to use this and then every time they push the thing out that they were Running that thing, especially if you're running fedora You were basically running the git version of pipe wire and you were getting updates to that thing every single day and they were breaking it A lot like a lot and they're doing the exact they do a lot with Wayland It's it's slowed down and become much more stable now But a year ago It wasn't stable like even on you know, even on kde there were there was many problems and The only reason why those desktop environments were able to maintain a semblance of stability is because they put so much working to tailoring Their version of Wayland to work for their desktop environment. It's not the version Of Wayland. It's a version of Wayland and we have multiple right the thing is just like I was talking about this to Brody the other night Like there's Wayland is not just one solitary thing. It's one of the reasons why we have You just go back to the window manager thing. We have sway which does wl roots. We have hyperland, which does Its own thing and it uses its own portal and stuff and like that and they're all doing Wayland, but they're all different things Very rarely are they intercompatible and it's the same thing like you a lot of the stuff that kde is doing The good old guys are doing something completely different in their own different way and they're not mesh. They're not Meshing and it's we always talk about Linux fragmentation Wayland is like the biggest fragmentation we've ever seen before and that's worrying not because people I mean Most of us on on on this call here are very enthusiastic Nerds and we like to try out new things and it's fine. So we switch back and forth between different things a lot And for us, it's a big problem But for most people, you know, they're just going to use kde or they're just going to use gnom That's what they use. They're never going to worry about those incompatibilities But when they eventually do end up coming into contact with some of those things it would cause a problem And it's I think it's hard for developers because they they have to focus on Targeting something that isn't there really so they they have They have this target of Wayland when Wayland doesn't really exist in a singular form it exists in a multitude of different forms and get you know if you target towards running on kde plasma with Wayland Maybe your application will work just fine But it also may not then work on gnom because of the different ways they do things and you have to kind of Be able to tailor it to both. It's kind of like trying to support Many different distros all at once only this is just you know a different thing and it's really You know the way that it is. So I don't know Oh, you're right, but then it wouldn't be uh It wouldn't be linux if it was happening any differently If something like just came out tomorrow and it was smooth, I would be suspicious as fuck. That's true Well, no, no if Wayland was its own thing or was one singular thing Let's just call it. I don't know system D There'd be a whole group of people who say damn it. I hate system D. Let me use run it Let me use his open rc. Let me use this v in it, you know, there's already people like this like me I don't like Wayland. I mean Look at the package format wars that we deal with You could write a movie saga just over like all the different package formats and just see it now all the issues flatpacks Excuse me, yeah Yeah, flatpacks the winner of that okay, then now you're gonna now instead of just being creative We're just gonna be boring. I'm gonna call it snap v flat pack to electric boogaloo All right, wait Rob Sniders hanging that movie though, right? I was all in on flatpacks and I didn't mess with anything like I didn't even really look at app images or snaps I watch videos of stuff. I never tried them like just I pretty much have all my stuff I don't I'm not really looking for new stuff all time But then somebody sent me an app image for wave terminal Uh And it's awesome, but it's an app image. So I'm gonna have to use it Is it the wave terminal that one that's like built an electron or something? Yes Which I know people some people have very strong opinions about that, but it is awesome You're basically but it's nap image, but it's snappy on my machine and it is awesome You're basically using google chrome as your terminal emulator by the way Yeah, I also use I also used uh, uh, microsoft edge earlier today to get some work done That's fine If you guys are gonna boot me from the server, that's fine, but no No, it is How I would describe it to somebody is it's the vs code for terminals. It's the same workflow. It's the same idea. It has the same aesthetic It's just yeah, it is what it is, but I'm in vs code all day. So I made a video about it not too long ago So there's yeah, there's a new There's a new terminal emulator called prompt That um that george castro pointed me towards it's basically the distra box lovers dream integrates with your distra boxes so that you can Basically set it so it will when you boot into a certain profile It will automatically switch to that particular distra box And you automatically just in that machine and it runs flawlessly and awesome Unfortunately, that's cool. Distra box hasn't have been working well on open suzer lately And I don't know what's going on with that, but um if you're into distra box, it's called prompt I if I can get to get distra box to work I'll be making a video about it. But um until that that sounds real cool. Yeah, it's awesome. Yeah, it's so good I love cool tools like that, you know I may not use them every day, but like It's just like you did that one software spotlight for like a gooey tool to configure distra box Which I'm glad it did work for you because I probably will install it on my machine back there Because I've been wanting to play with distra box and get into some of that I hit a lot of people on that and on that video talk about why would you want to use it because it only Half you like half configures Um distra box, you know, you can't actually use your distra boxes from it, but the I think that there's a lot of people who don't want to touch Their distra box configuration at all in the terminal and they want to do it from the gooey I don't I don't really have a particular feeling when it comes to gooey via terminal One way or the other I I particularly prefer the terminal, but then I consider it, you know Nerdy and I like that but I know that there's a lot of terminal users out there like oh my god, you're using a gooey tool How dare you you can do that in the terminal so much easier. It's all about efficiency, man Take your what you're doing. Sure. Take your pocket protector and shove it up your I'm just saying I'm just saying people have different workflows and that's perfectly okay Yeah, the efficiency is the key. I've seen uh Different ways to do different things, but it's the efficiency. I'm a big controller to that but a couple of mouse clicks Whatever I don't care Well, sometimes I just I have to get to the end Yeah, sometimes I need a gooey to show me options that I don't necessarily know and yeah Sometimes I can flip through man pages and whatnot in the terminal and figure out what I'm missing But you know long long time ago. I had a friend who was telling me the same thing about Oh, you got to be in the terminal and terminal and then we were pair programming And oh, you just got to do this and he was a vim user and uh And that guy had a cheat sheet next to him that he was like copying and pasting from Copying and pasting it in the terminal. I'm like, okay, that's fine, but you're not really You just looked over on your cheat sheet like I looked over and looked at the menu to see which my options were Yeah, that's the difference Oh, no, it's I look cooler. Well, you probably do look cooler than me. Yeah But it just worked on it kind of worked on so I'm not mad at I'm I just kind of left because he was trying to take the High road with me and it's like well Oh, we can we can all admit that we've seen man pages that are just Bad like seriously bad. You can you can tell that the person may be a fantastic developer Maybe they're the best developer in the entire world, but they couldn't write a man page to his to escape a paper bag It's it's just it's just some some and a lot of a lot of developers are like that They just can't write documentation either either they have no interest in writing documentation Or they're the they're the they're the Haskell guys They can write documentation, but they think everyone's a Haskell developer Sometimes documentation is written by the lowest guy on the pole Yep Well, I should pay that guy more and and maybe offer him some English classes They're getting him It's usually where I'm where I'm at lowest guy in the pole still making pretty good But he might not understand what the software does. He went to school for it he codes Kinda He doesn't might not necessarily understand what the whole thing does Yeah, senior senior guys who would write you an excellent man page and that guy don't write man pages Absolutely Yeah, we all know where man pages are gonna go though. I mean We're gonna point chat gbt. This is my program Write me a man page and then there's my man page. I mean that that's the future of man pages I'm not gonna lie if it would work. I there's stuff out there That'll tell you that are viewed at a self documenting if it didn't work I'd do it. I'd press a little button Not write a man page again for the rest of my life, but it's If that does if that does happen everybody's gonna use man page anymore because there'd be such garbage I don't know. I have very strong opinions on AI. So I probably shouldn't start Yeah, I don't care if you want to write stuff like that, but actually audit it afterwards Read it, please No, we'll really read it. What were you say, Nuggy? Yeah, um, I the other day I had like a like an idea But I didn't finish it but basically I had an idea of using a script to extract The comments above all of the key bindings um In my itreconfig and turn it into like a a markdown document of like, uh, basically like, uh, here is this come on Keybind it does that and I haven't finished it yet. But that's kind of cool I that's the kind of idea of like self documenting of like if I put the right comments above every line of Like key bindings in my itreconfig I could make like a manual out of it. So the the config file could generate a a manual for my a window manager environment That's kind of a cool idea. You're on the right track You're on the right track. Keep going with it. I'll give up on it. Keep going with it So even to this day the first thing that I do in a configuration file is delete all the comments Uh, so So one of the reasons why I at first I really hated the kitty terminal emulators because their Documentation is all shoved in the configuration file every single bit of the documentation Is right in there and it's and if you don't know what you're doing, that's fine But it bugged the shit out of me because it's like 5,000 lines 4,592 of it is only like one comment per line um, and it's it bugged me but also In like my in like my all all my dot files I very rarely comment things and I know as someone who's a you know public figure Which is just the fucking stupidest thing I've ever heard You're a star now, man. I know Influencer dude. I'm an influencer That's right your linux influencer. That's horrible. I probably wouldn't claim that title either Nobody wants to be an influencer. Uh, it's it's gone out of out of the Whatever, but um I know as someone who has other people who use my dot files You know, I should comment my stuff and say, you know, this is what it does And and then I should actually go on to github and write a read me so that people know how to do things But goodness i'm that guy who I can do a good solid You know dot file for dwm or any suckless tool or whatever But I am not commenting it. If you want to know what it does, you will figure it out yourself I'm I'm horrible at it. Just mainly because comments bug me And I think one of the reasons why and this isn't me It's one of the stupid most superficial thing you've ever heard in your life Is that a lot of the things that I use on a daily basis don't do a good job of of using the gray color And when you most comments appear in gray So I can't read them because my eyes are shit And that bugs me. So it's just easier for me to get rid of them that way I get rid of the blank space and I have I have valid and I have this thing where I try to as much as possible at least When I can create a configuration file that is as small as possible So at one point my i3 configuration file was 12 lines long That's how that's the that was the entire configuration file Now I had some source things in there So I had rules and another one that was like three or four lines long and I sourced xx hkd But the main configuration file was 12 lines long and it was Awesome and glorious and the the nerdiest thing ever but anybody who tried to use that thing was probably lost Because he could because it was just one sourced include file after another and there were different paths and stuff. So Uh, I'm I'm weird. I guess is the bottom line to that. Uh, the the gray comments. I've I've vented You use uh The idea and stuff my color scheme is specifically so that I can read it It's easy for me to read. I don't care what everybody else looks at or care I doesn't matter. I got to be able to read it I like comments because I'm gonna go back and forget what I did two weeks ago So I gotta have the comments, but if it's a you know, if you can understand it That's great. But I also have other people read my stuff too So on your track or you have other people looking at your stuff if you comment it You're still gonna get dumb ass questions. But if you comment it You get fewer dumb ass questions So I do both because other people read my stuff and hopefully I'm kind of Diminishing the flow of people coming to ask me what I meant. Why does this look like this? Uh, and then also because two weeks from now I'm not going to remember what I did. I'm trying to protect future me Is what I'm saying and protection protecting future me from me because I will Forget, okay What before we come to the end of this and I have to hop out of here, which is going to happen in the next half an hour So jake Sell us on the tkg kernel, please Would you please sell us on the kernel because we we can't have you on the the lug without you trying to sell us on a Custom kernel. It just can't happen. It's against the rules. So the floor is the floor is yours. All right Um, yeah, so obviously it's it's designed for anybody who's running arch first You can use it on any other distribution. They have a script for it, but it's designed with arch in mind Um, honestly, I love it. It's very simple. You just use make package to build the kernel Um, you can go in you can configure the kernel using like menu config and config anything like that if you want to Uh, you can totally skip that step too and just have it compiled as a generic kernel, you know using your existing configuration Uh, but honestly, I can't you know brag about it enough I get so much performance out of it. I use it on my plex server And normally when I try to watch content on my tv, you know, like every 10 15 seconds There's start buffering again and I use the tkg kernel. This doesn't happen It's like it just ekes out, you know, just that little bit of performance that picks it right up So now you're gonna try to make me use it on open suz. Did you did you in sprinkles? Did you and jonathan ever get it you working on open suz ever? No, no, I think he ended up switching to fedora actually He abandoned the bestest driver just so he could use a custom kernel. You are very persuasive And I can't be what I want you're not gonna get me off from open suza. I think that um What I think there are a couple custom kernels in the open build service I don't know how up to date. They are though. It's the problem Yeah, liquor because in there. How are you pronounce it? Um And then zen is in there, but I don't like so I don't know how up to date There are and it'd be like adding a custom kernel from a ppa Which doesn't sound like a good idea Um, it just like It just doesn't sound like a good idea because like that thing's never going to get updated again And you just know it's never going to get updated again and it's a kernel So if the guy did have, you know nefarious intent, they're gonna have some very Interesting access to your computer. So I don't know if I don't know. Uh, so I'd be very worried about that. I don't know Oh, so so I'm Unfortunately the tkg kernel still not going for me, but it sounds awesome. And and I switch over and I'll try it out One of these days I'll get matt to switch, you know, once he reads through everything and sees there's no tracking in it Ha ha Get it to work on open suza And and have a source package that I can trust and I would try it But I don't think that open suza is really meant for custom kernels to be honest with you Although they do offer Previous versions of the linux kernels reading this today You can if you want to pin other kernels and they offer in tumbleweed different branches for older kernels Um, including the lts versions. So they obviously have the functionality of using different kernels But they don't for whatever reason doing that on your own seems to be almost impossible For whatever reason everyone's everyone who's tried has completely failed Which is weird you wouldn't think that it'd be that hard really to me actually it's just building It's gonna be something with their build system then something that they tweaked or changed that just doesn't work like any other distro I'm gonna blame it on zipper and almost Where is this customer and I go see it Uh, the the tkg kernel. It's on github. Uh, the froggen family froggen family I think i've seen their logo. They have a really cool logo Uh, it's a frog It's pretty cool then I just have a vague recollection of seeing their logo. I don't know why that stuck with me out of all the things Um, yeah, so custom kernels I I still get comments on that video. I did where I called you out And as everyone so I was like who's this jake guy And what was hilarious is that I said people come and buy and talk to jake and then people actually stopped by Join the server to talk to you about the custom kernels hilarious That's the best thing ever I've been like 10 people that week that hit me up just out of the blue just you know, total strangers like oh Hey, can you help me with this thing? Oh, how about this? I got a question about that and I'm like, oh, okay I probably should have asked first other just saying hey jakes the guy to go to if you want to run the tkg kernel He's the personal support system for everybody Yeah, right Probably should ask that's okay. It's uh It'll face That's the best thing ever. All right, so The last thing that I wanted to talk about this evening was What was it? I had it written down somewhere, but as usual, I probably should have put it in a tab Then I would have lost it. Where did I put it? In a tab it's all the way in the back. Uh-huh. I know it would be perfectly organized in the ideas folder And then it would be in its own tap stack um But no, uh, I guess I can mumble around we can mumble around Well, you know, I can't remember so anybody else said something I say you wanted to Talk about what we are going to talk because you're you're saying you're going to have a subject next uh lug Yeah, um, so fraggle offered a list of Of topics. Let me see if I can scroll back to the chat here And find this because mention them and see what we feel like talking about. All right, so he has topics Yeah, so performance tuning in linux. So I don't I'm assuming that's Some of these are very broad. So performance memory profiling Uh, these are things that he used in something web development Application development. We could talk about packaging formats if we wanted to to get Snap versus flat pack for a little while. We could do that next time. Uh, of course, I've done that many times on the channel We could do talk about privacy Linux we just did a Linux kernel We probably could do a whole thing on I'm sure open source programming dev ops war stories Oh, we that's a that's a good good one where we could talk about some of the things that have gone horribly wrong We did that on the the the main podcast, but we could talk about that. That's a good one. Um And then what we could do is similar to You know, what we could do is open up. There's a channel in the discord just for the podcast It's just just to suggest to suggest topics. It's called pot at podcast topics If you guys want to in the future just leave a a topic in there. Just put lug in the title So we know that it's for the lug We could do that and just use the same channel because I'm not creating another channels to the server So totally bloated with channels at the moment. Um, we could do that. Um, also we could do I talked about doing the Like a um Like a distro we could do that at one point So if there was like a distro that we wanted to click like I've been wanting to use venom for a while Like fraggle has been using venom for a long time and he keeps talking about this thing the most thing awesome ever Um, and we could do something like that. Um, where we would Basically all agree. You don't have to use it on hardware. You'd use it in like a VM or whatever you want to do It doesn't have to be for very long just install it and we can it's if you had something to say about it You could then we could do that. We could do that We could do the same things with pieces of software. We could I really like to sit down just nerd out on notes for like a whole lug. Just sit here and talk about note taking applications because my note taking situation as I'll say in the video that I'll post on sunday Is a mess. I'm using google keep and have for 10 years It's the worst note taking experiential ever find yet. I've been using it. So um I'm doing a whole episode on note taking things doing an entire episode on maybe The Matrix and social media alternatives for open source stuff is a possibility for us to do so So I have a lot of different ideas and it's gonna be way better guys if it's not just me coming up with ideas because Uh, I will come up with the same ideas over and over again. So I'm game. I'll throw some I'll throw some stuff in there on the uh on the topics thing. I like fraggles suggestions um, I like the idea of uh looking at the individual Distributions, I'm always curious. Uh, I have a lot of Uh channels that I look at but not so many it's they're always talking about like the desktop They're not talking about like what they're doing at uh, distro review like it's This is norm's implementation number 45 Just less about what's actually makes this distribution different Then, you know, what are they adding to on top? What are they getting a little bit deeper into? I think you guys have a lot of opinions on that most destroy is literally just a skin Like a different desktop with a different theme Like if we're talking about the actual distro out there, there's like 1,000 millions. I don't know I know, but there's layers don't actually don't actually have anything going, you know There's layers there's layers under that needs that and you guys have a lot of experience because you distro hop all the time I know matt distro hops a lot all the time. That's not just the The rice makes it different. He knows a lot more. He was he's always the linux dude, but uh, yeah, okay I mean that does a lot about all the news. Yeah, that does a lot about what's going on There's probably like a hundred distro. That's actually different Maybe like a thousand distros that's actually different and then the million of distros that's out there Are actually just I know but what I'm getting what I'm getting at is matt knows what the actual different part is and could articulate it I'd like to see that. Well, yeah, we can we can we can definitely get into like what makes uh Like a good off-shoot distro kind of thing. We can just go discuss that um Because I I do have like because nuggy is right in that there are quite a few distros out there that are literally are just like Arch linux with a rice on them or or or whatever there are there are quite a few out there that are very popular like that But then you also have things like endeavor os which is arch linux But it also does a whole bunch of different things. It's I got a little bit of time. We can talk a little bit about this now, but we can expand on it in another lug I think it like here's a prime example just just uh talk about it mx linux Gets a lot of shit for for for trolling Distro watch, but it's a fantastic distribution. But what makes mx linux different It's basically debbie and it's it uses all the things debbie and does it it pulls out system d and puts in Run it Run it run it. Yeah, it's run it. Okay, so they pull out put a different in the system in it So that there's one thing that they do differently But you can use system d it comes with a system d uh boot option But what really really turns them around Is the tools that they've created so it's one it's one of the things that I really enjoy about linux mint Good lord. I'm gonna say something positive about linux mint They they they they've done a fantastic job of creating tools that make linux make good So same with zorn. I have so many problems with the way zorn does their their isos and the way they do their Um, you know trying to make money with their pro version just drives me bonkers But I understand that you know, they need to make money whatever it's not for me But whatever but they've created tools that make their distribution special and Because you can you can tell the the maintainers who Have put effort into making their thing and you can also tell the the maintainers who have basically just taken And iso and added a few a few pre-installed applications you you can just tell um I'm not gonna comment on that um So, uh, steve. Love you guy. I'm just gonna put you out there um It was a rice and steve knows that and steve steve steve knows that it was that it was just a rice on top of arch Linux That's why he's creating a tools to do it He completely understands um So so but there's there's ones like that and there's Many of them out there that are like that and there's the the thing is that there's nothing wrong With doing that because most people most Distro maintainers aren't going out there trying to create the next endeavor or You know boon to or whatever They're doing it because that's what they use And they created this for them and then they shared it online and a whole bunch of people took it And decided to use it and you know, that's what that's how Like red core the guy behind red core He created it because he wanted to make gent to easier to install for himself And shared it with it and then it kind of blew up to being the project that it is And a lot of them have happened like that like red cores another example where they've done things that You know, they basically taken a distribution that is hard to install for most people and made it Easy to install and they've created tools along the lines to make it easy to maintain Like Sisyphus is a horrendous name for package manager. It's it's the worst but it's all But it it's it's a good package manager because it allows you to you know, basically Get rid of all the random flags you have to attach on to emerge in order to actually use it That nobody unless you're a hardcore gent to guy knows what any of those things mean Um, and you have to Isn't Sisyphus the guy that had to push the boulder up the hill it is. Yes It's also if you're dyslexic like I am harder and shit to spell Um, it was really bad to spell like I can't spell it I put the letters in different orders every single time half the time not even starting with s Like like I know it starts with an s, but I can't I can't type it. That's the one of the reasons why I hate the name so much just because I just all the letters just all over the place Even with open dyslexia as the font set half the time in the terminal Um, I can read it like you can't read it can't type it I don't I don't see Yeah, I don't think that's a just you problem that I think it's probably in everybody problems Don't feel bad. Yeah, it's just not a good but It's things like that that I think set distros apart is the tools that they create and the different I think that I like that a lot of distros have different ways of doing things and they're willing to take things in a different way And and try to do them better than the parent distro. So like again, good lord, uh, linux meant did They didn't like the way the bunch of the things so they created their own thing and and they they didn't like They didn't like no To so that they had mate, but mate was never going to be good enough or well developed enough from them So they created cinnamon And they did all these things like it's a prime example of a the proper way of forking something And a good reason why you want to fork something and create something else. So Yeah, I think that'd be a good broad topic that we could you and I think something like that It's probably the best topics that we'll have are things where They'll be able to branch off into Many different tangents, right? So yeah, we might start talking about like the the best linux distros, right? It seems like the the ultimate clickbait video, but we could talk about the best linux distros But I guarantee by the end of it. We're going to be talking about, you know, random district number five Um, and all the cool things that it does, you know, um, I like those open-ended, uh The stuff that's why I came back is the last time I was here. This is the only time we I this is the second one You guys said this is second or third. Yeah, second. So I was here for the first one, but I wasn't even sure if I was gonna stay Excuse me But I had so much fun because you guys were talking about all kinds of shit and we went all over the place random Uh, I just had a lot of fun. It's why I came back for this one. I don't uh, I like the topic idea I don't uh, I'm not interested in a script like this is a meeting I have a meeting where you got you got 10 minutes. Here's your 10 minutes guy go. I don't want to do that I'll leave Yeah, yours knows exactly what I do when I do scripts. So Yeah, all right. Well, that's cool. I I mean, I'm down for whatever you said earlier. You're gonna report this I don't care. That's fine. You have my permission. I don't think you need it But you can uh, I just I like that I do like the topic idea that we can put a poll in there about what we're gonna talk about It would just be a uh kick-starting kind of thing where we yeah, that's fine. I think that's I think that's a great idea We did pretty good today with uh, I gotta jump off here in a minute But yeah, I think we did pretty good today just stay in organic With the conversation, but I do like I do like the idea like hey, here's some ideas Well, we won't even have a topic every single time Oh, yeah, a lot of times it'll be just like that like I'm just we're just sitting in a room and we'll talk about the Linux anyways, uh, yeah, that's it for I think I think I'm going to hop off as well Anybody who wants to stand around the to chat with each other you're welcome to do so The lug voice is always open by the way if you guys just randomly want to hop into a discourse thing Dennis If you ever decide to get your uh, you know, you probably should just switch to windows. I'm just audio on Linux Oh, that's Dennis I set you uh, I sent you a message And I sent you a friend request. I think you saw it. Okay. Cool. Um, I'm around tomorrow I'm Chicago time so central time But I'm around pretty much tomorrow whatever DM me you should just feel I was new to discord. I'm still new to discord Um, but yeah, hit me up tomorrow and we'll do a voice chat and I'll help you get your shit straight Yeah, and don't don't feel don't feel bad about it because um Everybody has audio problems like seriously. It's it's a it's a meme. Absolutely. Anyways, uh, next one will be uh, the second Tuesday, I think the second thursday Of february I will send out a notification everything so that everybody knows and uh, I'll talk to you guys then we had a wonderful time So thanks for everybody for joining me. Um, again, have a wonderful weekend and all that stuff and I'll see you next time Take it easy, bro. So take care I Good stuff