 Make sure you click the link to subscribe to my youtube channel and also click the notifications button to be notified for when my next podcast goes live You can also follow me on my social media platforms to find out whom our latest guest is. I hope you enjoy this week's episode. Thank you In the simplest form pirates get on a ship They hold a gun to the captain's head and say your ship's been hijacked We're going to Somalia now. Our job was to protect them. So we were armed security I also was a What they call a bag dropper so I would go and pay the pirates as well So when they'd agreed a fee with the ship owner the insurance companies would send me out to Somalia to drop a bag with a couple of 100 million or a couple of million dollars in these people have quit the jobs You know, they've applied for hunted. They've got on the show. They've left work We obviously hackle their accounts their social media their PCs the laptops. I'm reading emails where they've already spent the money You know, they they're planning what they're doing with the hundred grand You know the booking holidays the point deposits down on cars and and it's it's pretty brutal And as you can imagine when when they get caught they're pretty aggressive as well You know in that in that moment of emotion where they realize there is no hundred grand anymore Boom we're on and today's guest. We've got Jordan. Well, how are we brother great good to see you mate? Good to see you mate. You've just finished a marathon there You're doing 15 marathons and 15 days. How are you feeling is that the fourth one today? It's the fourth one today, and I'm definitely feeling like It's it's been pretty brutal and I probably if I'm honest I probably underestimated it being in Rony on day four and I've got another 11 to go What's a money? What's the most you've ever done in a row? I've done one marathon before today before before this challenge started. I did and the the marathon of Afghanistan in 2018 that was the only marathon I've ever done in my life and then four days Four days notice. I decided I was gonna do 15 in 15 It's it's the 70th anniversary of the national trust She's the sort of charity of the national parks of the UK And they said why don't you come and have a look around our national parks? And I said, you know what I'll come have a look but I'm gonna run around them and here we are four days in You're sitting here talking to me when you should bend your bed. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah But all good all for a great cause and you know as we were talking off record before It's as it's as much about helping me as it is about helping the charities It's great for mental health, you know, I suffer a lot with things like depression anxiety Still take medication today, which I'm sure we'll dig into but really good for me being out in Scotland as well Like, you know, we're up here and it's not often you get the English saying great things about the Scottish For me, it's probably one of the the most beautiful parts of the UK And I think Scotland and especially the north of Scotland It always shows me that you don't have to travel far You don't have to travel to the other side of the world to see natural beauty because when you get up in The Cairngorms in Loch Lomond, the National Parks are just absolutely stunning. It's an honour to run around them As it's stunning here, you've got the fresh air, you've got the scenery and sometimes you're taking for granted because it's in your own backyard Some people will be travel around the world to see beautiful things But Scotland you have got it in the top of Scotland. There's Whites and the beaches yet that I've never seen So it's something I would like to eventually do myself. You do massive things Jordan You've raised over a million pounds for charity. You like to help the kids from the war zones You've did your marathons, you've did your runs in some of the most rundown places in the world You've got your rowing thing coming up this year where you're going to row also round Where are you rowing again? So I'm rowing The gateway to the Gulf of Ireland. Yeah, where is that? I was gonna say that there but the fucking butcher bit, mate So it's called the Babelmandab Straits No, so it's It's the most dangerous strait of water in the world For various reasons for the pirates for the terrorists for the sharks You know for for many different reasons It's the busiest shipping lane in the world for cargo commercial ships as well So I'm gonna get in my little rowing boat and head across there later on this year It's never been done successfully before by any person. So you know touch wood fingers crossed I can be the first person in the world to achieve that and and hopefully the main objective this year is Is to raise a quarter of a million to build a school on the Horn of Africa? Which is 27,000 child refugees there and for me having you know left school with no education I've gone back to education later in life and I found it's one of the ways that actually Certainly if you're in a war zone or a conflict environment as a child You can inspire a lot of hope by giving them access to understanding the wider world And that's a great thing mate So massive respect goes to you for that I always go back to the start with my guests as well and Get a wee bit more information about you and how you get involved in the life you're in because I know you serve the Name for over 10 years and whereabouts did you grow up and stuff? Yeah, so blackpool was home for me the last Vegas of the north Easter yeah, no, it's a great. It's a great weekend You know and we were probably the victims of all the old you lot on the stag dues and everyone else who comes to abuse But now I'm really proud to be from blackpool and I live down in Hampshire these days But grew up in blackpool on a pretty rough council estate But I didn't come from you know a terrible background or anything like that Whatever I lacked probably materialistically I gained in love from from two very inspirational parents who you know I think they installed good values in me good morals and you know I was how was it probably a bit of a naughty boy got in trouble with the police as a youngster a few Cautions for this that and the other a few nights in in the cells, but you know, I wasn't I wasn't the worst child or most misbehaved But unfortunately left school as I say we know qualifications So it was joining the army was process of elimination You know like a lot of people from sort of deprived and run down areas you join a military or you end up going in Jail, it's it's not it's not too common. We could say the military was for me and you know a lot of my friends Unfortunately did go down, you know the drugs and and the crime route and still good friends today And it would have been very easy for me to slip into that a lot of my cousins and family members did as well But for me join the army and I guess it turned me from a boy to a man And I learned a lot about the world learned a lot about life. I got to meet some incredible people and Very thankful to the military for everything they've given me because I probably without a doubt made me who I am today I'm sure because you joined when you were 16. Yeah joined when I was 16 So, you know was serving in a conflict environments by the time I was 18 and did a couple of tours of Iraq, Northern Ireland And yeah, I'd had a great career and obviously lots of lows lots of high points losing friends on operations was You know, obviously the ultimate low and I always find it really important to tell their story, you know And and and if I give presentations and things I'll always put their faces up on slides because you know to to pay the ultimate sacrifice for your country is you know, it it well, it is what it is It's you know, nobody got joins the army thinking they're gonna lose the lives or pay that price So for me, you know huge respect and still today for the armed forces and the job they do I still think they often we don't seem to value them enough in in modern-day society But it's it's for people like those who allow us to speak freely do freely, you know, what we do in this day and age Yeah, it's difficult as well because war is war and No matter what country you're fighting for or what where you're going. It's difficult because I don't think you can justify Losing lives or fighting for someone but it's it's difficult Especially seeing all that trauma because I've had them calling the clacklin on Yeah We speak about PTSD Very openly and it's difficult especially if you're seeing people dying and it fucks me mentally as a human being I don't think we should be seeing that stuff. I don't think we should be Looking at that and thinking it's just It's grim because so many men are struggling just now suicide is on the rise and it's doesn't help that I don't think there's enough things in place for people to go and open up and speak to a lot of men I've got too much pride to open up and it's difficult when you've got guys that call in yourself to open up about Their struggles and seeing bad things Which is I think it's a good thing because it makes other people realize it's okay to speak out And it's okay to have problems when you were in because you were Where do you are? Not a negotiator but interrogator. Yeah, what's part of my job? I was in a tank regimen my sort of normal trade But I ended up being a tactical questioner interrogator Which essentially meant dealing with with the bad guys the enemy prisoners and extracting information that we could use for military operations to and counter counter insurgency operations to to hopefully put them under arrest and detain them and prosecute them Which was wasn't always easy But it was it was it was challenging and presented a lot of different issues because I know you were on the hunted So that's kind of searching people get looking for people and catch you know, man Yeah, it's a lot of fun say that say the things Yeah, it kind of it's kind of the same thing did that when you were in the army. How did that affect you mentally? Yeah, I think he was it was really it was really tough actually You know I people talk about things like post-traumatic stress disorder. I always say let's drop the disorder I always say that it's not a disorder because actually, you know seeing things and experience things that are abnormal You can't expect a normal reaction, you know that the human body and the human mind is very complex If you're seeing people being killed on a regular basis if you're putting friends in body bags That's not a normal set of circumstances. So you're not going to have a normal reaction. So for me, I don't believe it's a disorder I think it's a very normal reaction to a set of abnormal circumstances And I think like, you know, Colin's doing a great job But it is important for people to speak out and and to talk about these challenges because as you rightly say We're losing a lot of people on a daily basis now veterans, especially through suicides through Tempted suicide, you know in the suicides are the only ones that we often hear about homelessness as well homelessness as well so many issues in the in there not just with veterans but in the wider community in the social circles but To answer your question Yeah, it was tough But I always try and take positives out of these negative situations Which isn't always easy at the start when it's happened, you know You're in that sort of negative mindset But I think I use reflection quite a lot to sort of take the lessons and I'm somebody you will go away and digest What's happened digest the discussion and reflect at the end of a day on you know, whether it's an argument with your Misses or a fallout with your family or whether it's on operations in the military I think reflection is a key part of our growth as an individual to because we often act Emotionally and we don't often think logically we think with our emotions We say things we don't mean we do things that we don't want to do and so I think you know reflection is really important And that's something I've come to respect and appreciate a lot more as I've got older Yeah, again It's must be difficult because as human beings To be seen that stuff But again, it's how you react to that as well and the strongest men have became also the weakest whether I'm gonna say It's a weakness but mentally they became weak where they think it's a better option to take their own life Which is difficult and it's not just men who service serve the country It's anybody that can be the most successful businessman even you've seen a lot of musicians lately as well It's difficult Do you think all the stuff you're doing like they're running the rowing and pushing your your mind and body to the limits? Do you think that's to balance out some of the stress that you went through your life and seen some of the dead Bodies and stuff to kind of balance it out and get that natural chemical They feel good factor than dolphins the serotonin and and try to balance out a bit the anxiety and stuff Yeah, I think so I think you know, I got us recently You know, I still take medicine medication today I still take search reline and I've started on a hundred milligram down to 50 25 now But I would always say that running or exercise is the best medicine in the world You know, you get them feel good factors. It's good for the mind. It's good for the body So without a doubt, you know, even though I'm doing these these crazy adventures for charity It's helping me equally as much if not more than it is the people who have been a benefit benefiting Yeah, definitely and exercise is a key to be feeling good Even if it's walking doesn't matter if it's going up the stairs or even walking around the corner Just getting out and getting fresh air and again medication It's not something I really agree on but if it does help people to a certain extent What's the medication you're taking and what's the effects of it because a lot of medication as well It tells you on the box that you can be suicidal and it's trying to prevent suicide So for me, I struggle with that to you know, I do you know, I completely agree I'm not of someone who is promoting or and dorsen medication because actually I You know, I was really against it and still I'm in many respects, but I think When you've tried it and you've tested it If you can feel the benefits of it And I think you know if they tell me that the specialist the doctors tell me it helps balance the chemicals in the brain I was always and still I'm faithful that you become reliant on it and you can never get off it And you know, I'm trying to withdraw slowly at the moment and but if it does help you then You know, I think, you know, if it's the help that you need and they'll be get why not but like you I'm skeptical The thought it's a pharmaceutical injury pharmaceutical industry is a business, you know people's businesses companies rely on you buying drugs And that's one of the downsides and negatives to it. I completely agree. Yeah, they're creating customers They're not creating your oceans. Do you know what I mean? So it's difficult But if you are having serious mental problems and if something can help you pull back a couple of steps Then go by all means get yourself help but That's fine they walk in the exercise they feel good factor and try to wean yourself off listen I'm not a fucking doctor. I'm not here to say do this and do that But for people who have spoke to who it's trying to get off the medication They struggle with the hardest because then they rely on it because I had a guy called Mark Demsteren who's a Counselor and he says that a lot of people have chemical imbalances where they don't get that enough endorphins to the brain so we either crave it from drink drugs sex to get that extra wee boost and Obviously the pharmaceutical drugs come into play as well because it picks up your your buzz But then eventually does drop again, and then you become yeah I miss a few days. I have a really, you know, it takes me to a quite a low place if I you know Sometimes I go away for the weekend and I forgot my tablets. I can after two three days I can feel I'm like a different person my my girlfriend will tell you you know She'll say to me most frustrating things should go you haven't had your tablets Have you? And she'll see a distinct change in my behavior where I'm I'm quite snappy, you know Things will I'm very irritable things that wouldn't normally bother me and we'll get on my nerves quite quickly So there is a distinct behavioral change, and then I'll go back on the tablets And I'm alright again, and you know that it's not a positive thing But it the tablets at the moment they're working for me. Do I want to be on them forever? Absolutely not and I'm doing my best to get off them But you identify you're aware of it and you're very intelligent to realize that What you want anyway, and if it's helping them out and it's good But again is when you're going through the agitation stage or the two three days Is that you or is it we're not free tablets coming through your system? Do you know what I mean? Yeah, yeah, it's a good question So it's difficult because everything has a side effect and a lot of people promote weed and say joints are great this and that but If they did a test actually the scientists did a test they did a text on the brain. They did it through alcohol They did it for sex and Meditation and The ayahuasca and stuff like the psychedelics so they did a test on the brain when you take these stuff how much the brain reacts and The best chemical your brain receives when you're taking these stuff alcohol get an 8 out of 10 I think Sex get a 9 out of 10 psychedelics get a 9.5 and they want to get a 10 out of 10 was The meditation and there was no calm down from it either the other three who give you that buzz was always a calm down from it This is the meditation was a 10 out of 10. So basically take control of the mindset. Yeah, even techniques It's funny you say that I just been started doing yoga about a month ago, and I found it's so therapeutic and What you know highly recommend it to anybody because it's an actual buzz We're 100 mile an hour the brains always say it's 60,000 thoughts a day So it's constant so actually take half an hour an hour out your time And breathe Exercise quiet down the mind and focus on the day because if you're taking all the other stuff to replace a lot of people smoke weed And they say oh, I need that it makes me do things and or it makes me lazy A lot of people who smoke weed are already lazy anyway or a lot of people smoke weed were already active So again, it's you're kind of trying to numb something you're kind of trying to help you hide for the pain So again those scientists was 10 out of 10 was Meditation, but even techniques quite and I can believe that and the rest was all Let's say a short stimulate for 20 minutes 30 minutes And then it becomes a solo because you do a lot of stuff now for the kids all around the world raised over a million pound What made you get into that? I? think For me to realize, you know a lot of ex-military or veterans they will talk about The the bombs and the bullets not that they'll talk about but the things that would affect their mind would be the things that they'd Experienced and saw and it's the same for me But it's not so much there the trauma or the bombs the bullets the blood for me It was always the faces of the children I always think when you see children in a conflict zone or a war zone I think that you know for me they're the ultimate victims of war because they have no say they have no Influence on being there, you know, they've been brought into this world They can't just get up sticks and leave and and and go somewhere else, you know a lot of them have lost their family They've lost their homes And there's just something there's a there's a there's a sheer innocence. I think about children in a war zone You know, I met a child recently a little boy from Syria who was nearly seven years old He'd only ever known war, you know So when bombs were dropping in he didn't even flinch anymore because that was just normal to him Conditioned he was conditioned himself naturally by the environment he was living in and that's that's pretty sad for me and As I say, I think to help the children for me is Is the most important thing because they're the next generation, you know Adults although yet they're important and we can help them They have an element of control over their lives. They can get up. They can do something. They can change their path They can influence tomorrow whereas for a child, you know, that is pretty doom and gloom if if you're in a war zone Yeah, you're innocent in the first seven eight years In your life is it the stage where your brain becomes a sponge and you absorb everything in that you've learned or you've seen So you become I always say you become a product to your environment Yeah, absolutely So it doesn't matter if you grew up in knife crime drugs, whatever it is. It becomes an on So for these kids to accept that it's normal for people to take places to get bombed for To see dead bodies. It's scary because we're all human beings. I don't give a fuck with religion. Yeah, I don't give a fuck Um, what country are fighting for we're all human. We'll bleed. We'll bleed the same our heart pumps the same before We're all connected in my eyes. I believe and again I always say this but It's easy to control the masses if people are divided and it's difficult to see such fatalities in the world where It becomes normal, but again social media like mainstream media don't help that because it's constant wars rapes Robberies the world is a good place also and if you don't think it has then become good yourself But again, you're doing a lot of good stuff and try to give back Do you think that's because The misery and the pain you've seen as well and the tragedies of the lost families you try to help to Um, I think so. I think I think when you go there and Doesn't it doesn't have to be a war zone a night and you don't have to be a soldier But I think if you go and see something firsthand Um anywhere in the world or even in your own cities, you know Like the homelessness that the great work that you've done if you if you see it every day firsthand You know, you feel almost I think I think human nature says if you can do something to help people You should do especially if you're in a position where you can whether it's because you've got a voice of influence Whether it's because you're financially in a position to support Um, and I think it's no different, you know, I'm not many people Certainly from the uk will will voluntarily go to afghanistan and and try and help because it's a war zone It's a dangerous place most most people see um You turn on the news and you'll see lots of negative things But actually if you get out there and you meet the people, you know, I I did an interview recently with um With the bbc and I came back from iraq and afghanistan and they said, you know You're you're crazy. You go into a war zone on your own with no security teams and you're going running. That's that's pretty reckless Um, and it's very dangerous. I said no. No, I said I went to I went to afghanistan iraq somalia I didn't see any any stab ins any shootings, but I got back and in manchester There was three stab ins with murders. There was two in london one in glasgo But I didn't see any of that when I was in afghanistan everyone was very friendly They welcomed me into their homes. They looked after me Um, and as you say the media control the minds they control the masses of the world and we're in tune to think that You know dare I say it? Anybody who comes from x community are bad people now, you know, because that's what the media or that's what different narratives have portrayed But like you we're all humans we're all people and it's only a very small minority You know, we get lots of we get lots of bad guys from blackpool who are my age We get lots of bad guys from glasgo from glasgo from bagdad from carball, you know bad people exist My my dad used to say when I was a kid he used to say we call it the dickhead rule There's dickheads everywhere in the world and you know, it's just true, isn't it including myself? Everybody's had that kid one time Do you know what I mean? It will make mistakes But that's where the mainstream media kick in when you see the bad things you think oh, that's bad And but portray that it's normal to go to other countries because britain as well we've invaded every other country bar 22 So I think there's only 22 countries never invaded so Again, it's who we fighting for Also, you've got to ask yourself the question they were fighting for because our country is in danger We're fighting for the elite who's what to be more powerful I question everything and we spoke about that earlier everything's like conspiracy to me unless I've seen it with monies I don't know. Yeah, it's it's difficult when When you were over in arachn afghanistan, how are these places and how are the people? I find I find the people who We would perceive in the west to have nothing are often the most generous the happiest, you know, you go I went to afghanistan iraq. I spent a lot of time there I see more smiles there than I see in the west in england, you know, we're we live in a society now where our head is down It's in our phone every five minutes, you know, we're influenced by what someone's tweeted what someone's posted You know, we're we're living a society that we're we're all self obsessed, you know from from filming on hunted You know, I learned that the uk is the most surveillance country in the world We're also the most fame hungry even compared to the us We post more about what we're doing we take more pictures than anyone else Based on the size of the country and the ratios. It's incredible, you know You know what everybody's doing at every moment of the day and that's a culture There's nothing wrong with that but that's a culture that we now live in in the society um people in places like africa places like afghanistan they they don't worry about this that, you know, they Having a phone and tweeting and things he's alien to them You know, they're worrying about playing out in the in the in the mountains with the children doing all the things that we might have done 20 years ago We're from a we're from a very different generation. We have different priorities and the world is changing a lot And I think there's still what you find in in these remote parts of the world Is there's something quite nice and peaceful even when I was in scotland for the last two or three days in the north You know being switched off with no signal for 48 hours is something quite refreshing about that still today Your brain the most Scary as it sounds the most relaxing time I had was actually when I was seven days homeless because I never had a phone Yeah, and I had so much time to think and analyze my life and think right what do I want to do I looked at my phone yesterday. I spent 11 hours on the phone. It's this new tell you how long your screen time is It's scary, isn't it? I love the numbers. Yes. I get it. It's my work, but for me. I'm not living I don't feel as if I'm utilizing my words more constructively. I'm craving a likes I'm craving attention because I'm self seeking that way I'm getting that endorphins if you've got that chemical imbalance if people are saying, oh, you're doing a great job You're constantly buzzing. So we're constantly craving that to balance that out. So it becomes what's real and what's fake anymore Yeah, absolutely. I think I think you raise a great point there and I think You know, we we have sort of our insta world and we have normal world and You know, somebody said to me last night Like somebody said Jordan, you're doing a great job, you know, and I posted a video of me through And I thought, you know what? I said, I'm I'm now at the side of the road in a campervan. I'm freezing I'm eating some, you know, some some sandwiches from the garage that are out a day from yesterday And I thought that is not but I'm not posting that on social media telling the world that I'm showing them Of how great it was at the end of the race, you know, it's two different sizes. There's always again There's always different sides to our story. We always put through a life to be great But always say if the lives are that really great, we don't need you post about it No, no, but again, it's self-seeking. Yeah, if we've got the chemical imbalances, we get this is what we're creating These this fake shit the illusion and the big guy mark demster again. Who had on last week? He was saying that um Like a great great grandfather the stuff that you see nudity online We see it more porn than nudity in 30 settings than your great grandfather did in his whole fucking lifetime So people's mindsets are changing. We're looking at everything different. It's not natural No, it's not should be natural in the mountains up at running or exercising Not hunting going about fucking killing everything. But you know what? I mean, it's to be a but even a picture You know, my missus would kill me for saying this but she'd tell me off because it's not been filtered before I Before I post it, you know, I take a picture at the family where they know whatever And you can't go up yet because it's not been he's not a filter And you know, it's just the world's gone bonkers. Isn't it but again, that's to control the masses Again, it sees it to control people with their phones and David I had on last week speaks about it And it's fucking interesting that how people because he's believes that people are going to get chipped soon and because I saw The the queue out for days to get the new iphone. So there's so much technology I think it's going to be acceptable to actually get chipped and then you're easily more controlled You do a lot of hope you do all the the children stuff. So I've wrote down some figures For the charities and the children. There's 1.9 million children raised in war and conflict. Yeah, there's 28 28 million children who are homeless due to war and there's over 250 million children living countries attacked by war that is scary fucking fucking figures that is powerful powerful statistics and you know, well, we sit here in our in the comfort of our own homes and Yeah, the amount of money that we throw away and waste And you know what I believe that You know, we're never going to change the world but We can change the world for a handful of people out there just by making a little bit of difference And it doesn't have to be given any money. It can be volunteering you some time You know, there's lots of ways you can help even raising awareness Yeah, even speaking to someone for two minutes. Yeah, like the homelessness, you know, just taking the time out your day You don't have to give them any money. You don't have to buy them a drink. Just just acknowledge them Yeah, and the scary thing about war as well. We spend throwings on it And they say only one of the most lucrative industries in the world Yeah, yeah, and it says it was for to white poverty or world poverty It would only cost 175 billion to give everybody food and shelter And the stats are saying that we spend billions and throwings on war Yeah, so again incredible the world can be a great place and I hopefully I don't know if I'll see it in my lifetime, but I believe people are waking up. I believe people are becoming more aware of what's the surroundings and what's right and what's wrong As soon as we're born, we know what's right and what's wrong But again, you're a product to your environment where it's growing up in Iraq or where it's growing up in Glasgow or Blackpool You get conditioned. You're labeled as soon as you're born. You become a product to your mom and dad as well Maybe it's their religion, their beliefs, the football team, you're giving a name But like you, I think I had encouraged people to challenge the narrative, challenge the perceptions, go and have a look for yourself You know, don't believe everything you hear. Don't believe everything you see go go out there first hand and and take a look for yourself because Um, you know, it's it's quite eye-opening when you get out there and start speaking to people instead of just believing what you see and hear Um, people are good. People are generally good. They're good. I've been down London, but People you say surprise And it's people they're so caught up though their heads are down and they're rushing and when you say hello You try to be nice people they go he's fucking crazy. Yeah, I just want to make conversation I try to make conversation with everybody because everybody's got a story I love to hear people's stories their background where they're from what they're doing But people sometimes are thrown back when you actually make conversation Do you know what I mean? Yes? I was in um, I was in Somaliland in northern Somalia in February last year Group of muslim female women they invited me into the home and they made me a cup of tea And they chatted to me in broken English and I remember thinking that evening got back to my hotel And I was thinking That won't even happen anywhere in the society that I live in you would never get a group of muslim women Um, inviting me insane. Hello to me acknowledging me looking me in the eye It goes against all the stereotypes that I have thought about a muslim women that you know And I just thought and that's in a muslim country as well You know because I've been tuned to believe that that'd be really bad What you know for them to do that that would be against all their faith their religion Goed against their family code of conduct the morals, but actually They're just people they were nice people We're all human and I read as well that there was there's 38 million churches in this world 38 million But yet they say there's over 200 million who are homeless. Yeah as well. And this is supposed to be a religion that Love and peace and this and that. Why is there so many empty fucking churches? Why not? Why is there not opened and again the catholic church as well as a billion dollar industry? Yeah, yeah, make billions and billions and billions of pounds and again, I always question things What's the motive behind that? I would really help people where's the money going and stuff because I know you give a lot of your money to The kids and we spoke about earlier some big charities only give like five and six percent Which is a major factor So we can touch on that a wee bit that the stuff that you do because you've rosed over a million quid Which is unbelievable. That's phenomenal. So fair play. No, I think with the with the The charities as you say a lot of them are being run like Commercial beasts commercial operations almost like limited limited companies in many respects where they've got high level salaries You got CEOs on six figure sums For me, I'm not saying it's right for me. It's not what I believe in I think it's unethical. I think in people I have debates about this all the time You know people will tell me that no you need a very experienced entrepreneur business man to be innovative to be creative To bring the money into to motivate the staff and and all this But I just think when you're talking charity charity is not about paying people large sums of money When you look at the statistics on what percentage of your your donor or your sponsorship goes to the aid of where it's supposed to go It's pretty pretty eye-opening Which is why we ended up setting up a charity called frontline children Which is charity that I'm a trustee of we have no salaries. So we we know that 99 percent of every penny In every pound goes directly to the aid where it's needed And on the odd case where money is needed It's typically be an expense for some sort But even down to flights into afghanistan iraq after the normally sponsored every And I think there's a big gap in the charity market for showing the donor Exactly where the penny goes, you know, I tell anybody if you're going to drop a pound in a bucket Or you're going to spend 10 pound on an online charity page Just dig a bit deeper and scratch beneath the surface to see where that money's going because you know Sad as it is to say more often than not you're going to be funding a lot of people who are earning a lot of money somewhere I had a guy called brad well showing a good guy from edinburgh and he was exposing some of the charities that I constantly got adverts for people who are just donating money, but the money's He looked up the money's going fucking nowhere. There's um pallets and there's like Vans and vans of toys that are just sitting there and it's um You've got a question at where it's going and the non funders the ones who are doing it They're self you're creating all the charities to pay for it and I get people need to survive and they've got families to feed It's great But if you're only giving six percent back and four percent then only find you're feeding as your own fucking pockets Yeah If you put a pound in a bucket and then you get if you knew that only six p out of that pound Was actually going to where you thought it was I I'm pretty sure that most people wouldn't be putting that pound in that bucket So you're running you did the running samalia afghanistan in iraq. Yeah. Yeah You did that. Uh, I'm Marathon a 10k and a 5k's a marathon half marathon 10k. Yeah, so how did that come about? Um, it was just that you know, I I needed to go back to these countries to I guess deal with some of my own Challenges in my head. I wanted to go back and uh see the people I wanted to help raise we raised about 100 100 000 plus for that um So yeah, it was I always try and do things differently. You do yourself. Yeah. Yeah completely on my own And are you safe enough for those other people try to take your life or I do I do all the risk assessments and I you know Manage every risk accordingly. Um, I was diagnosed with epilepsy a couple of years ago So that was for me one of the biggest risks, you know, having a seizure without the right medical support and things So how do you deal with that then? So for me it was training people who I met in letting people know awareness Training them what to do if I had an incident I wear a medical wristband Um, I have it in arabic as well. So people could if they found me they could know what to do with me Um, so yeah, just awareness, but but again, it was showing people even with epilepsy that Because the doctors and nurses said you can't do this project. He's too much stress on your body extreme climates Dangerous. It's not good. It goes everything against what epilepsy, you know says. Um, so again, it was So I started challenging saying who said this what some some doctor who doesn't have epilepsy Who's never ran a marathon told me that I can't do it. Well, you know, let's start Let's start challenging that and the same with the rowing, you know, somebody said this this can't be rolled It's too dangerous. Well, hopefully by the end of October. I'll show you that it can be rolled And again, it's people up here the mindset which is very powerful So for anybody watching or listening you can achieve what the fuck you want in life Don't let people tell you you can't do anything everything in this universe has been created by a thought and belief Look at the guy who ran the first mile under four minutes It took hundreds of years for people to do that as soon as he done it Then people started doing it week in and week out Again, it's just to break that mold and break down those barriers that you can achieve And so fair play to you for no stopping because again, you're gonna be if you're missing and The fear can kick in and what if this what if that we're all gonna die. Yeah, we're all gonna fucking die Why I'm not gonna sit in my house and wait for death to come knocking at my door Do you know what I mean? And I'm a big believer that everyone in that in that respect I'm a big believer that that everyone's got an expiry day. I don't you know, I don't people say I've different philosophies and different theories and beliefs but for me all our cards are marked And when it's time to go we'll be going. Exactly, you know, so make the most of it Exactly And I know people who've done three four tours of Iraq, Afghanistan and then fell off a motorbike in the UK and died, you know We'll survive four rounds with a Taliban, you know for two years Um, it's time to go. It's time to go. Exactly. So there's no point in sitting in your house But again, that's fear people are too scared to make take risks and take chances You can live in cotton wool all you want but you can drop dead down Dead in a heart attack fucking 18. It's just When you again just go out and do it. I pulled it Yeah, take a risk out your comfort zone I find With great risk with great risk often comes great reward if you're prepared to you know to put yourself out there and do something Um, you know you you'd be amazed and it's quite addictive as well because when you realize the benefits and you see the success from it Um, and I said in fact not even success I think there's I think you can go through life and you can be successful maybe in In love in business in your job in the workplace, whatever it might be But you can be successful but often not feel fulfilled And I think if you try and help other people And you can also do something you enjoy which for me is adventure, you know, that is fulfilling Which is different than success. Definitely. So fulfilling is eternal. It's you know, but that's within and you see guys like David Goggins who pushed herself to the absolute limits run 100 miles 150 miles Mentally they can push herself. You can't do it. You're too fat. You're too heavy. He had a hole in his heart He's just fucking done it. Yeah, don't let anybody tell you what you can and cannot do The same as yourself going out and running traveling the world But again, if we've got those chemical imbalance when you're Setting those goals and achieving them that sense of fulfillment for you You cannot buy that in any medication any drug any drink no matter what that's Where you feel alive and that's why you constantly crave it and keep doing it same as myself Setting goals achieving them doing good things because it's a natural buzz It's an actual chemical to fucking feel good in life. That's what it should be all about. Yeah. Yeah It's difficult again because we're dealing with a material world and we do some people Make their success through materialism or through money But again, it's the things that are free the things that you're doing to make other people feel good and other people are Rewarding from it. So when you do your row as well this year, what's their own? How long is it for? So the roll take a couple of days. Hopefully, um, I get the boat in about two weeks It's being built specifically for this mission if you like Um, and I'll head out to the Horn of Africa. I'm gonna wait out there till The stars align the conditions are perfect the security situation the weather the sea state all the different risks You know people think when you do these these big expeditions, you know, people think that oh, it's really dangerous It's really tough Enduring actually it's the everything that comes before the expedition the sponsorship the training It's the stuff It's the stuff that goes on behind the scenes that no one ever sees which is the hardware You know doing the actual row across the water. That's the enjoyable bit. That's where Spotlights on you, you know Nobody sees the struggle behind the no, no, no, you see there was quotes on us saying boat as well is The the hours as thousands and flowers thousands and thousands of hours of training But yet when they won the Olympic gold medals The hundred meters and ton of years only showed that two two minutes of all the running he did But it never showed you the thousands and thousands hours it put in to run those two minutes to win the three consistency Consistent gold medals and free Olympics and that's what people see on the social media. They see success They don't it's what they call it the iceberg effect only, you know, it's like no different than a podcast People think you stick a camera on and you go you don't realize there's logistics as editing Of course, you know, there's sound technicians. There's the guys that people can't see behind the camera Just as well for that though I bet i'm the first guy to give you some mention The weather that out I do all this myself But again consistency is key The key you have written is consistency People don't people fail after two free attempts because I think it's too hard but everything consistency consistency is key failure Yeah, you don't get it first time. You've got to fail. You've got to fail. You've got to fail. That's where you learn That's where you grow Do you know what I mean? So how can people get in contact with your channel? It's how can people support you how can people look in your social media and stuff and find out what your next activities are Yeah, um on my website, uh, jordanwiley.org or at mr. Jordan Wiley is my handle on on all platforms I got a book out which details my time in the military and what I did after the army fighting pirates off Somalia How can we get the book and the books available in in waterstones all good book shops amazon Or find it on the website and the new book which will document last year's running project Which is called running for my life that'll be out in the 7th of november this year Um, but yeah, we're all big year ahead looking forward to it. Yeah, good. I'm excited for you and you were on channel four's hunted Yeah, so it was on that. I'm a hunter on hunted. Um, we start filming the new series 25th of may so coming up soon, um, which will go on for a couple of months. Um, so we I'll be running around the UK Um and driving around the UK. So pretty much doing what I'm doing now Carrying it on. So how did how was the celebrity one? Is that run for 14 days? Yeah, celebrity one's 14 days and the sort of main series is is just short of a month. Um, the celebrity one is It's for stand-up for cancer. So it's got a charity aspect to it. Um, it's a bit more fun It's obviously quite hard for celebrities because people know who they are So it's not as easy for them to hide in there in the public domain Who is it jayme lang spencer mafios? Yeah, they were on the first one. Yeah They were on the first on the last one we had um some guys from love island chris and kem We had some politicians. We had kabe early from sky news Um some strictly come dancing people. Um celebrities, but I don't really know So how does it work then? So what is the plan for them to get do they have money and they try and hide from use So they got uh, they got to go on the run Right if they get to the end they get to an extraction point. Um, so on the main series got say they got 30 days If they get to day 30 and they get on the extra they get to the extraction point, which could be a plane It could be a helicopter. It could be whatever, you know, um, they win a hundred thousand pound So our job is to stop them getting the hundred thousand pound Um, so it's pretty brutal as well because you know outside of the celebrity show These people have quit the jobs, you know, they've applied for hunted. They've got on the show They've left work, you know I've seen I was you know, we obviously hackle their accounts their social media their pcs the laptops I I'm reading emails where they've already spent the money, you know, they've they're they're they're they're they're planning What they're doing with the hundred grand, you know, they're booking holidays. They're putting deposits down on cars and And it's it's pretty brutal and as you can imagine when when they get caught they're pretty aggressive as well You know in that in that moment of emotion where they realize there is no hundred grand anymore It's pretty it's pretty real then that they've actually quite have to think as they think they're really well You know, people think sometimes that it's staged or itself You know, we might we might reshoot a scene But what you see is how it happened, you know the moment we catch him the moment we're chasing him That's how it obviously people edit things People are creative with the editing No different than any other part. Of course, I'm not sure. Yeah making a show ultimately, but it's as real You know, we don't get a script we we do as we see it We know we find intelligence we we go and chase them so as everything bugged their phones or social media Yeah, we're bugging them Intelligence everything all their phone records Interrogate family members track their cars number plate recognition, you know, whatever it is, you name it I know just fuck off and then just lay low for the 30 days or do you need to bend about it to try to get to certain points? Yeah, you need to You know, you need to keep moving you need to people make the same mistakes though You know, they use a bank card they try and contact them more more All the things that you wouldn't Yeah, but they've all got in fairness as well. They've all got to get on the show They've got some incredible backstories, you know, they've been through some real challenges in their life You know, whatever it be, you know, some people we had on last show had Several times it had cancer some had lost their parents real and actually lovely individuals all pretty much all of them You know and you sort of afterwards when you've caught them you sort of going on thinking I wish you don't Let them go Because you've got a football as you're organizing a celebrity football match Yes, we've got a celebrity football match on sunday the 5th of may at the blackpools ground bloomfield road So we've got military veterans Who have won sort of gallantry awards people who've been on calling actually calling McLaughlin's one of our players Yeah, yeah So hunted sas who dares wins those sort of guys versus Coronation Street, Emmerdale, Collie Oakes, EastEnders and So you do you play yeah, yeah, I'll play as well. Yeah, and how have you ever had an episode by epilepsy? Have you ever had no no, you know Touch wood. Yeah, I The only I'm not one of these, you know, I try and give a positive outlook for epilepsy. Yeah For me it was the only negative I found was Um, I couldn't drive for a year. They took my license. So you surrender your driving license for a year You got to be a year clean before you can Um, but allowed me to get fit I'll start doing more running because I find that you even if you just want to go to your local shop these days 10 minutes Where you're jumping a car, you know, yeah, you're coming lazy It's very lazy and when it's taken away that ability you realize how lazy you've become So I got fit. I got did more exercise, but you know, I have a positive outlook on it I don't see any negative to it. Yeah, do you think that keeps everything at bay? I believe everything can be rewired I believe everything can be reversed um again people who have had like Diabetes and stuff the reverse that we're changing their diet and exercising I don't know many people though. It's had Epilepsin and then yeah, I don't I don't think so you can you can when you've got epilepsy You've got it and you can maybe you won't have another seizure, but you'll never sort of know till it happens But what ease did you get what age only two years ago? And what does it what does that come from stress anxiety? No, no, so for me it was a bit It's quite a unique um a unique case So I went to do a documentary in the Horn of Africa and I took an american tv channel to To basically go and look at what pirates do off Somalia. So I took them out there I went on a boat for a couple of weeks and Um, I got bit by a mosquito and I caught something called dengue fever Which is like it's a mosquito-borne virus a bit like malaria similar side effects put me in hospital for a few a few months and A side effect of that was people start having seizures and the odd person gets epilepsy You don't really see it in the uk because you don't have mosquitoes and dengue fever But in Africa, it's quite common and I was one of the unfortunate ones that got bit by the mosquito on that time Which is is pretty pretty random But I always think someone give me a piece of advice a few years ago a A friend of mine called Laura D's she's a An olympic winter olympian. She won the bronze this year last year in the skeleton event, you know, they lie down on the ice And uh, she said to me I was having a bit of a tough time with the old depression and what have you when I my family broke down And she said to me Jordan. She said Control the controllables. That's the best piece of advice I can never give you and I try and apply that to every aspect of my life You know just control the things that you can control don't worry about anything else because we stress And we build ourselves up about things that we have no influence over no control and again in all business love and so on Just worry about what you can control if you can control it Then what you worry about because you can do something about it We worry about things that we can't control at all Um, and and and they're the things that we shouldn't worry about because we can't do anything It is what it is. Yeah, exactly. How was the the pirates? Did you see them? Yeah, yeah, so I spent I spent How how throughout is it that the the pirates take over ships and oh, yeah, yeah big the big yeah serious Yeah, so I spent after the military. I left in 2009. I spent Best part of five years Up and down the Somalia coast Indian ocean west Africa east Africa southeast Asia protecting ships from pirate attacks You know, I was It was a multi-billion dollar industry for the pirates. Um, she's died down significantly now Because you know security have done a great job military operations and so on but It's incredible. Yeah for a long time So when they take control of the ship, where did where did I take the ship as a ship not registered? Does it not yeah back to Somalia? So, you know in the source in the in the simplest form pirates get on a ship And they hold a gun to the captain's head and say your ship's been hijacked We're going to Somalia now And that's you know, that's obviously a bit more complex than that But that's how it isn't as simple as yeah as did I kill the hostages or did I let them go? There's been cases where to kill them So the business, you know east off lots of different types of piracy But the famous one what most people know about if you allow the infamous one is the Somali based piracy where pirates would hijack a ship The ship would then be taken back to Somalia And then the pirate commanders and leaders They would then Try and sell the ship back to the owner and say if you want your ship and your crew and some of these The cargo on board, you know oil gas could be worth a couple of hundred million dollars So for them to sell it back for five ten million dollars So dropping the ocean if you've got three hundred million dollars of liquefied natural gas on board And so they made a very successful business model and Our job was to protect them. So we were armed security. Um, I also was a What they call a bag dropper So I would go and pay the pirates as well So when they had agreed a fee with the ship owner the insurance companies would send me out to Somalia To drop a bag with a couple of hundred million or a couple of million dollars in Um, which was quite interesting because it's quite interesting because people always think that was a really dangerous job But I can assure you if you're giving someone five million dollars, they don't want to hurt you So you had to go and meet them with the door. Yeah, he was going to meet so it was you know You got I always use the analogy of think of think of a drug dealer in in Glasgow think of Um, you know, you've got the guy on the street who's shifting the gear But then you'll have you've sort of kingpin fervor up the chain Um, who's calling the shots, you know, he's the guy Probably doesn't get his hands dirty that often but he's the guy making the decisions And that's how the pirate chain of command would work You know the four or five six pirates who get on the ship who do the dirty work the hard graft They they hijack the ship, you know, you might get a 10 million dollar ransom They'd be lucky to get 50 grand out of that. Yeah, that's that. Yeah If that if that yeah, you know a couple of grand and these are 16 17 year olds uneducated poorly trained Limited equipment, you know rustile weapons. There are real chances taking a big risk Um, and yet you got some guy Sat often often not even in Somalia You know a lot of the money was traced back to places like Dubai even London, New York You know, they were being funded by some some serious influential players I don't know who but you know a lot of intelligence to suggest that they weren't necessarily all coming out of Somalia They're not sitting in a hut. No, they're not sitting in a hut when you're getting 10 million dollars So when the devil's trying we were on the boat the devil's trying Yeah, so my book actually, um It's like it's like you've played me nicely into a plug for my book now. So So citadel the book so the name of the book citadel a citadel is is them is the the the technical term for a safe room So if you imagine On the ship the plan would be if pirates ever got on board a ship The crew would always have what they call a citadel or a safe room where they would all go to seek refuge They would lock themselves in and they would call for the naval forces to come and rescue them And in there you'd have like emergency rations medical kit and whatever else So on my on this particular occasion eight years ago now I took a ship into Somalia and that the plan was to deliver the cargo was for the will food program We're delivering rice and grain and bits and pieces for the Somali people We didn't have any weapons on our ship because depending on what registration the ship is what flag it's carrying depends on if you can have weapons or not on board every country's got its own rules around firearms no different than we have on land um So we were on a ship as the security team, but we didn't have any weapons So our job would be put the razor wire out put the fire hoses out Um and come up with like a crisis management plan. Anyway, we went to Somalia We supposed to be in and out in 24 hours. We ended up getting delayed, which is quite common in shipping And the the delay from a few hours went to a few days to a week And as you can imagine was sat there off Somalia the sort of lions then the pirate hot spot of the world off Mogadishu And pirates armed pirates boarded our ship So I was the security team leader at the time So I took all the crew about 20 20 odd crew mixed nationality and my security team So come down into the safe room in the citadel The drill is when you're in there you stay in there when you call for a rescue So we got in there. We locked ourselves in I went to use the satellite phone and we're in a black spot in the ocean a bit like on your mobile when you haven't got a signal if you like And so I always stuck with the problem because if you don't tell someone you're there nobody's coming to get you Um, we had pirates on board with rocket propelled grenades ak47s um And if you want to know what happens next you got to go back Wait, are you bastard? I'll find out when the cameras are gone So you're doing the 15 days 15 marathons. Yeah You're on your fourth day How did this become about as well? What was the plan for this? Yeah, literally it was it was like a week's notice. Um Training yeah, no, I didn't I haven't trained for it. Um, I thought obviously I go to the gym I'm training for my rowing project. So I'm doing loads of It must be fit then if you can do 15 and 15 days. Well, I ain't done them yet. I'm only on day Text me make sure you're alive Yeah, but it's not easy. Um, I'm not I'm not I'm an adventurer. I'm not an endurance runner I'm not an athlete, you know, I'm I'm still the guy who on a weekend goes and watches the footy in the pub and has a beer I'm I'm you know, I love a takeaway every other weekend or whatever. So, you know, I'm not I'm not super fit But I think, you know, like you a lot of it is resilience in the mind Um, you know, if you believe it that's off the battle probably more than off the battle if you can believe you can do it Um, but also breaking it down, you know, I'm not trying to break any world records I'm not trying to run, you know, sub three hour marathons for me. It's about doing 26.2 miles every day Um, yes today this morning when I did lock loman, I broke that down into four 10.5 runs, you know Started at 5 30 this morning and just did four runs and had a break in between each one Um, I still completed the 26.2 miles and I think If we approach that same mindset and mentality towards life, we can conquer most challenges and obstacles and problems And it's sometimes we've just got to look at the bigger picture and and just think of stepping stones instead of stumbling blocks Yeah, we're trying to get everything done straight away. Yeah, we really wrong wasn't built in a day I think if you plan for five years and 10 years, you'll soon realize that Your dreams and vision actually work. We just want it all now. We want it all yesterday Instead of breaking down the five-year plan and again Your four your four phases for your marathon breaking it down your goals Daily weekly monthly yearly and then by the five year you'll be reassured. Trust me your goals and dreams will work 100% and I think also people need to have we mentioned it earlier about reflection when you've achieved something Even if it's doing the local 5k park run Stop and acknowledge what you've done. You'll just just take two minutes to look back and go I've done that this morning. Did it, you know brilliant great news I think we're so focused so quickly on that tunnel vision. What's next? What's next? What's next and we stop We often also forget what's important. We forget to you know, we've got other people on that journey with us You never you never complete anything that's worth doing alone. You know, even though I might be out here in my campervan driving round You know, I've got a missus who's looking out for me. I've got people sponsoring donating I've got people tweeting retweeting about the project You know, it's always a team effort like you said you same bolt the amount of people in his support team You know, yes, he's under the spotlight when it matters, but without them people you never get to that point in the first place Thanks stiff Yeah, definitely and for the plans for the future for this year, you've got your run. You've got your 15 days You've got your own. What's other plans for you? Yes, anything sorted. Yeah next year's plans We'll keep them sort of under wraps, but it's going to involve Going to the ends of the earth literally. So we're going to the north and south poles next year Which will be pretty special, but we're going to release all the details of that in in november So we've got an abseil of the angel falls will tires waterfall in december this year as well I'm taking six people who are scared of heights to go and abseil the will tires waterfall Which should be fun. Um, so yeah lots lots of good projects and always looking out for more You know, I always tell people if you've got something, uh, you know, it doesn't have to be my project It might be your project or somebody listening if you if you want us to get involved I'm in fact, I'm cycling helping some guys cycle paris to Paris to blackpool is tower to tower Eiffel tower to blackpool tower. They're doing that in june Some lads from blackpool. So we're trying to chip in with a few miles for them as well So, you know, if you're doing a cool project if it's interesting if it's for a good cause, you know Give us a shout because if you know, I'm always happy to join and get involved Because it helps me as much as it helps you Because it sounds if you crave the adrenaline as well that that but yeah, I think do you know what I think? I think when you when you Especially in Hostile environments conflict zones or not even that but being out your comfort zone. I find that That's when you feel most alive You know, your senses are heightened. I feel that you can smell things You can touch things you can hear things at an extreme level when you're out of your comfort zone But people never experienced in that because 99% of people will live in the comfort zone People believe they can't do things. They can't achieve things I'm trying to convince my mum to do a skydive, you know, she's she's So I'll be careful. I say what she's making that she's too old You know, everybody's got blockages. Everybody's yeah, yeah people limit themselves and that's where people go wrong in life There shouldn't be any limits. There should be limitless. You can achieve what the fuck you want No matter if you're 20, 30, 120, you see guys out in the 80s and 90s doing marathon still You see guys in the gym doing their 80s and 90s people give up People accept and they just become and not only that these these same people who have given up and accepted They're the people who will drain the life out of your dreams, you know I try and dissociate myself From those sort of people if you surround you surround yourself with positive people with positive energy Yeah, because the moment, you know, so many people have already given up on their dreams that they will convince you that your dreams aren't achievable And it's difficult because if you were to say to someone you'll go to do 15 marathons in 15 days They're going to tell you why you're doing that. You're crazy. Your back's going to be sore. Your bones are going to be sore You might take a fit. You're going to do this. You're going to do that before you know it because it scares them The fucking scared you out with doing it. So it's difficult. But again, it's Becomes a lonely journey as well doing things and I only speak to Steve And I'm constant. I'm on everything's changing for me. I need I'm constantly new ideas So it's difficult because I don't want to just stay. I don't want to be just one dimensional I constantly want to grow which is difficult and it's a fucking lonely journey Do you feel lonely when you're doing all that stuff as well out here in yourself and you know what I find it I find it quite therapeutic. I don't I don't I don't see it as a negative. I see it I see it as time for reflecting time for, you know Sort of analyzing where I am what I'm doing So I don't I don't find it lonely and I'm maybe I'm a bit sad because I'm I'm quite comfortable in my own You know, I've got I love nothing more sometimes than sitting at home in my own company on my being peaceful I'm and then going out into the public and doing what you need to do So I don't I don't really find it lonely at all to be honest. I find Maybe I'm a lonely person because I enjoy being on my own. Yeah, but that's good The same life if you can handle your own Your own mental state being alone then everything else that comes at your life then becomes a bonus Do you know what I mean? So sometimes we can be actually lonely in a crowd. Yeah. Yeah, no, absolutely Yeah, and I think we social media we see that, you know, you know People are portraying lives that they don't live and And often when you again when you scratch beneath the surface, it's it's a very different reality than what you've probably seen Definitely Jordan and for it people I know you've already said it but how can people get in contact with your charities are trying maybe Fund you or help you or any new ideas or your email addresses or social media where people can contact you Yeah, yeah, please. Yeah get in touch um at mr. Jordan Wiley on on twitter facebook youtube instagram Jordan Wiley.org the website and even if you're not supporting me Um, but if I can help you in any way if you want some advice you're thinking about doing something Just just reach out, you know, I'll always message you back Maybe not straight away sometimes if I'm busy, but I'll always try and help you if I can But you know chase your dreams believe in it. You can believe it you can achieve it. I love it Me and Jordan for coming on today, brother. You're doing absolutely fantastic Likewise, so you thanks for having me on the show, you know problem me and anything we can help with as well I'm only a phone call away What you're doing for the kids and the charity work you're running and you're proving that nothing can hold you back No matter what the fuck you've been through no matter what area you've grew up. You're doing amazing work me and keep it up, brother I appreciate that. Cheers buddy. Thank you