 I think it's important to sort of study the examples of social justice activists, biographies to sort of see what is the the moment in their lives that made them have a kind of in Latin America we call about the the consciousness raising point or what was that sort of process that brought about these kinds of changes. XSR Chavis who grew up primarily as a farm worker who had to go into the military at some point in order to be able to take care of his family and then had to go back after the military service into the fields to work and it wasn't until much later for instance in his life that XSR Chavis was able to sort of develop a middle-class lifestyle working as a community organizer for the community services organization in Los Angeles. XSR Chavis worked his way into a middle-class job and lifestyle as an organizer was making a pretty decent salary as an organizer getting people to Mexican Americans primarily in Los Angeles to register to vote. He was doing very very good work but what he realized at a certain point is he said I want to take this organization so that we mobilize and energize farm workers and he took this proposal to the community services organizations board and they turned him down and said we don't really think that this population is one that we can work with very well they're transient and it would be very difficult for us to organize them so we would rather that you stick around and try to work with urban Mexican Americans and try to turn them into democratic electorates. XSR Chavis said no I don't want to continue doing this work I want to work with farm workers so I'm going to turn in my letter of resignation and I'm going to take whatever savings I have and I'm going to go work with the farm workers. This is an interesting period because he'd been doing work for CSO for 10 years had really pulled his family in some sense out of the kind of poverty of farm work but he decided that that wasn't enough and it was about those personal connections right of his own memory of his own parents of being displaced as a young person and the injustices that happened to farm workers and say we need to build new organizational models new organizational structures that will address the least advantage so we can learn a couple of things I think for this is that sometimes what leadership means is having to leave positions of power and privilege and become relatively powerless right leaving structures that we have in place and try to figure out building new models of conflict resolution of organizing of doing things in a different way and that means beginning from scratch is what what he did essentially with the United Farm Workers is that even in among social justice circles sometimes our structures aren't going to do the work that really needs to be done to address structural violence sometimes we're just going to have to give up on the good work that we are doing and try something alternatively without any sense that there could be success