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John is Duke Nukem because I'm stupid Stupid on the Maggio. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, we have a show that's primarily known for getting canceled And we need to bring it back to make more money From what I understand it's that if that they may be just recasting for bender, which is yeah, like yeah You're not gonna get away with that Yeah, I mean, it's like following Heath Ledger's Joker and like good luck Is there any word on why don't John to match up like who could they get the web when done it where we would always be like, okay? Okay, sure fine. I don't know No You just sign up to watch it like Charles dance his bender I mean, I it would be interesting to see Mark Hamill play bender But that doesn't mean he's gonna be good at it necessarily Wait mark Hamill's playing bender or is it? No, I'm just saying it like that would be interesting I would tune in to see that but I don't know that he would necessarily be good just because he's a good voice actor No, that's just no, I don't I don't see him in the role. I just don't what if they go Amy Schumer? Oh My Play Charles dance, I mean, you know, some people have that kind of range. Let's find out if she does Hi, everyone. Oh Hey, the ginas are funny, so Actually, the funny little things we got we were all here. I say all Metal is dead. You're hit by oh, yes. Yeah, but he'll be fine. Imagine if that was actually how you announced that it actually And then I play a video the metal maid saying it when I die you must announce it this way Yeah, you turn on you turn on sad music and like a slide show You have to say in that same emphatic way like it can't be said in any kind of series like metal is dead You got hit by a train He got hit by a train It's like he did a charade was all part of his last request Indeed and what rhymes with train everybody lane Arcade what he felt we're gonna do it again. No that that no that ends with and And so the second in a series of five streams about arcane Yes, this is streamed to of 17 because we're gonna obviously Talk about the show several times over once you've gone through the first time You only know what like a fraction of the things that even happened because you were playing video games. Weren't you? Someone out there feels victimized right now Man, it's good. I were playing video games. I Like video games. I think that it's a big your theory Whatever you speak to somebody about the criticism of the show that they're like were you Playing video games when you watch I mean it's startlingly common with people just like completely miss reading media or missing the most obvious Shit, I can only assume that they're just doing something else on their other monitor Yeah, that's common I did miss stuff the first time through arcane when I mean full attention But I didn't miss anything at all. I got every single thing. I only rewatched it because I'm like, oh, I Guess I could We watch it to assert dominance better to do T pose on arcane now we have a little bit of a little bit of a cap I say a little bit because literally like it's no it's the kind of cap that any of the podcast only We we may only go for around five hours ish, okay So we should probably just get run in I have no idea how long it'll take us to get through these episodes now because this is Act 2 that's how it was released. Okay. It's the second of the of the three acts terrifying That is pretty terrifying. I figure because it's just it's just slowing with the previous stream that we should just get going Is that alright with everybody? We're just gonna jump right in. Yeah, I guess that's all right I suppose we could do that all right in first a word from keeps from keeps No, it's the I was gonna say the beard care thing. It was like no way. That's it's the head It's just hair. You're gonna keep your hair You don't want to be it's made of hair dude imagine It was the ad was like a lot of better losing their beards time to keep you if you find a beard Please contact this number below so we can find its rightful owner of beard in the in the wild You've been stealing beards I grew up surrounded by beard Thought we were sponsored by trungos Well, I mean what we get sponsored by all kinds of really great products like quib gift Into we don't need to be paid to promote trungos believe a new nor we do They're both incredible Do you see the socks this month from from web gifts? They're fucking amazing. Oh, I haven't checked those out yet I've just been so busy, you know, I gotta I gotta log on and check out the quib gift socks Second I got on my start hiking. I was like these are these are hiking socks You got a broken in days today. I became a hiker Socks are okay, but the the sockless toes. That's really where it's at. I didn't realize this joke was gonna derail so hard We should get into this. Oh, wow. Okay, mr. Sessed with arcade I'll I'll give you the opener so you can give us your incredible commentary. What do you think of stanwick pedidly, huh? That's mm-hmm the fuck is Exactly, what do you know about arcane? I guarantee you Theo could answer that question Theo get off me and answer the question right now. Yeah, I know the answer to that question Well, that's actually kind of a funny like little it's like a little litmus test who here even knows what I'm talking about I know rags wouldn't and they would be fair to say that but I assume the people who've rewatched this show I literally thought you were making up a one-bow word for fun. Nope. Nope. No, it's a real thing It's a real thing. We've been with it the whole time. It's not one bow or simpsons or Buffy or anything. It's Well, is that the name of is that the name of Heimerdinger's cat? No, it's a name of somebody else that uh, well, I guess should we not spoil it It's not a surprise you did you were close enough rags. I give you the little trophy. Okay, you get it It's all shiny and well, you're the one who had no faith in me whatsoever from the beginning. Well, you've guessed So I think that falls through what I said No, there's a fair guess you tried I give you that there's a statue Right, that's in the open is because big old statue that the Heimerdinger is looking at he says Stamac pedidly He says everything he built like broke or exploded yet Here he stands because he set his own interest side for the good of the world Nothing he could accomplish would compare to the work of his students or at least that's what he believed and it made him Very important to pilt over which is an interesting thought just to keep in mind about this Stanwick pedidly um Funny enough, I think No, go ahead I just wanted to mention Stanwick pedidly is a character pulled from the law But his function is very different in in the in the law Stanwick pedidly steals Victor's credit for a few inventions, which is You know, I guess soon that got reworked. Well, they changed him up. No, that's still a thing. Yeah That's not how it is in our game because in our game he was just an assistant and he didn't make any No, I mean, that's how it is in the law. It's not how it is in our game Okay, but like with Stanwick pedidly dead or yeah, he's dead So if he's dead, then how can he steal from Victor now? Well, you can't that's what the difference between like the legal or in like the shows. Yeah. Yeah, League of Lore Well, you're telling me so you're telling me that they the show is gonna be completely different from the law It court it diverges very heavily from the law or at least that's so that's gonna be interesting So a lot of people were saying that because of the law existing then that spoilers for the characters that don't die This could mean that any one of our protagonists can be fucking killed in the next season They could be bottled at any point They could be pediddle-e'd yeah Nobody wants that No, I was I was in charge of the writing team and I was like, oh We've got a character named Stanwick pediddle-e'd like I would make sure to work that in right. That's a great name Yeah, I believe they fridge Stanwick pediddle-e'd yeah, it's fucked Unbelievable a fridge Stan lick pediddle-e'd Stan lick. Oh, that would be a that would be a good name for like a Broadway Musical they fridgeed Stan lick Stanley No, no, we're gonna do this they fridgeed Stanwick pediddle-e'd there you go would be a really good Like a Broadway musical name you watch many Broadway musical musicals No, no, you know what the fuck you're talking about. Yeah talking as though you watch all of them Wow, I want League of Legends. Do you play Jay? Hmm? All three who's your main? Yeah, who are you? I'm a Dinger or I'm fine. I'm a Dinger main I mean you passed the test Jane. I don't know how you knew that name Well cuz I play the game Yeah, they're um they're talking about like the progress that's been made and pilled over and the big event that is progressed I know it's funny for a second. I was when I was watching this like me a bit a bit over it getting a lot of Exposition we need I suppose but it's actually for a reason The Jays is all stressed out because he's gonna be doing the progress day speech. It's like what And the hymen thing has said he's he's usually the one well I think Jays says the hymen thing is usually the one that does it But he wants Jays to do it this time around and it's because of the amount of progress they've made in eight Seven years. I think it's seven years seven year time gap Seven something like that. Yeah, which includes the well the the hex gates have been constructed and are functioning which I think it's gonna begin our first discussion for good old world building because With everything you knew in those past three episodes. It's like a standard then you add the seven to eight years or six to seven Whatever There's gonna be differences, but what would they be now? I think when you watch Jays crack the the hex tech in the scene. They have like flashes of the rise spell and So I bring that up because I saw I've seen some discussions here and there in discord And I resist jumping in because I'm like, oh Some people say some stuff. That's just interesting. That's all So I saw someone saying how fucked that they've introduced this teleporting thing with the hex tech ruins everything And they added a list of different things it ruins But one of them right at the top was what the hell is this anyway? Oh, you fiddle in with some arcane magic You you you float a little bit when you crack it and suddenly you're teleporting that doesn't make any sense at all Yes That's that's the main thing that would be given what's been established So yeah, he puts the little cog wheel through the center thing and it zips out the other side That's what rise did. It's what rise did that was rise a spell. It was a teleporting spell So yeah, and the cog was a reminder of that. I found it so strange You feel like let's pretend for a second that was what rise did it's magic like since when they're creating magic I don't see why you'd be like how could how the fucking magic teleport? It's like, I don't know it's magic Like they get to really set the rules here We're not dealing with established rules of some kind of long history We're dealing with this is the magic system and what it can do being established properly for the first time There's no no contradictions here Yes, it's a matter they get to tell us what the magic can do and then we will go from there And apparently they figured out the teleporting thing and it's being used for commerce, which is it's not like pretty interesting It's not like force heel being introduced in like, you know the ninth installment Luckily in order to get the protagonists out of a very difficult position. It's also With the way it's implemented at Karen, it's also fairly restrained. I want to say because I was a dramatically restrained It's not even weaponized in any way Stipulation they introduce later on that isn't quite explicit yet is the the hex crystals of this kind They cannot be used for any portable devices. So whatever's built with them is like stuck in place So we can't just carry around a personal teleport or anything Yeah, and so that's though. That was the first criticism I saw and I was just like that's just it's just fine All right chill, but second criticism I saw I told Frank about this one because I was just it's just so fun They were like this is broken Because it's been seven years with this technology by now Noxus or another region should have invaded them for this technology What? What should they really? Like it like it would just be a thing that would happen. Just you know how geopolitics works I just like I was amused reading it like noxious in the newspaper. It's like they've cracked teleport It's like all right get the army Boys together yeah noxious is on the border I see you to learn that that's not how it works. I don't know we get we get told relatively quickly the noxious is is Trading with them. Yeah using these these portals. So Yeah, I imagine but but like I don't want to jump ahead but like Noxious is interested in them show definitely puts that forward But they're not interested in the sense that they're going to kill Piltover and take it. That's not They're also I mean you think that might be a lot of effort and also not worth that effort considering You're already trading with them with the hex gates There might be something that hasn't been revealed yet about one of the leaders of Piltover and their relationship with Noxus That might give you a really good explanation as to why Just in vain. It's just why they might have a diplomatic trade relationship It'd be so much more complicated than you have something I want. I'm gonna kill you like I doubt That's how the regions cooperate or ever have really Noxious the most warlike of them doesn't operate like that It used to when it was when the law was you know more Black and white I guess with the Marcia is the good guys and noxious is the bad guys But uh, let's throw these days And so we'll get into um what what what is it them cracking teleporting? What kind of repercussion should that have for for their society? Do you think is there anything that the show doesn't very do very well? Do you think between the water? Yeah, I? Mean I guess it's not explored super much I mean mostly we know that it's used for trading yeah at this point We don't really know much else so I mean I think a reasonable criticism might be that you don't see enough of the impacts Or that you could explore it more this may be a way that you could put it if someone wanted to give that as a criticism, I think that's pretty reasonable because Like I don't I don't have a great understanding of exactly how it works or what the limitations are exactly how it's being used Right, but in terms of what we actually get it. I don't have much of a problem with it I don't think I would call it fair for it for you to criticize the show for not going more into something that isn't like Directly about its main cast and its characters and its story I would say they could but I don't think I would say it's a criticism that they didn't yeah And not to mention there's a lot that just goes unmentioned because the other characters know that they're just Already aware of what's going on so they don't need to exposit a speech Every time something is introduced because a lot of characters are of the understanding that the other characters already privy to the information and so That's again this the show does a lot of show don't tell and kind of treats the audience with more respect than most shows do honestly So I would if you think that you're stupid I would go as far as I'm a dingy, especially once you've got the full show probably is the Full representation of everything is done securely and safely over time And so I wouldn't be surprised if this is literally the only use of the technology right now just that that gate being used I can imagine Jason Victor bounced some more ideas off of him, but I was like no we're just going with this one Yeah, and it probably took a while to get that one through I'm sure he was against it It's sort of thing, but it's not hard to imagine that with the benefits it provides that he was outvoted or something like that Because yeah That it was it was part of it being like shouldn't it have like way more of an effect on the entire city society and possibly The whole world to have invented something like this and I'm just not sure what changes we should have seen that we didn't see Trade has been increased in speed significantly for very particular elements like it It's not like everything is transported that way now. It's the particular things are It's more for like higher Yeah, it's changed Piltova's geopolitical status. They're a shipping lane now Yes Fantastic for that. Mm-hmm. Um, you might yeah, you might be able to say there isn't enough of a contrast Maybe because like Piltova Piltova would logically become much more prosperous But I don't think it's established well enough how prosperous they are in the first three episodes to really make a contrast But again, that's that's pretty nit-vicky You don't need to establish something like that. You just need to establish that it is booming now, right? Which I think yeah, I think that's really fair with the beginning of the opening of progress day. Everybody's yeah It's very clear that buildover is Prospering yeah, if if the show opened with episode four, right? And I mean you could do that you could basically just lose the four first three episodes and start I mean, you would lose a lot of great storytelling But you could start the story at episode where it picks up at episode four and you would It would make sense. I think you could follow it Yeah, it's just that you miss out on a lot of foundational stuff that give you yeah the thing is If we did start with hey this new technology was invented eight years ago We wouldn't be then like and I don't think anyone would be saying well You know, it's not really established how it was working out how well we were doing before so we can't really contrast because yeah, you know We can imagine understood Well, yeah, it's just understood that don't really need to To see it to understand that a change has occurred. Mm-hmm Yeah, like I'll probably have some criticisms of the magic system at some point But I don't think it's a problem right now I would hasten to like cover the bases and say it's perfectly fair for one to start to Wonder and also probably be worried about what this technology is capable of. Yeah magic It's not too far away from time and travel for me with with writing. It's like you got a careful magic in It can fuck everything up You don't want to end up like Harry Potter We're sorry I don't know that if if I would say that magic and time travel are necessarily on the same level Well, I didn't want to have it worse not even close Travel is so much worse time. Time travel is just like a narrative cul-de-sac that you just get lost in Yeah, so I would say that it's the reason why I would say that is because Magic can make things a little bit like you can be like Oh, does that really like how things interact in the world or like, you know, just how how real world science is impacted by it Like there's sometimes that can be a bit murky but like time travel is at the root It's cause and effect like you are you are playing with fire when you are doing time travel Yeah, and in your story, you know exactly you can still set limits for magic and Everything in between but when it comes to time travel you can try and set all the limits that you want But it seems time travel always contradicts itself Yeah, the only the only good time travel movie I've seen is primer that I can think of are there any other good ones? Because it's been done a lot. So I think the terminator is a good time travel film Because I feel like an easy interpretation of the time travel in that film is It happens and we got like a new timeline now when I need to think about the timeline that they came from Like it's it's just irrelevant now. Doesn't I get a good time travel movie or just the The time travel time travel is an element doesn't compromise the story Yeah, I didn't even think of that as a time travel movie. Obviously terminated when it's pretty good Because ryan johnson was right when describing that movie, but not when describing his own not wanting to describe looper Um, wait, wait, wait. I hope that you describe it. He said that in looper Uh, it's like terminated with the time travel. It sets up the story and then gets out of the way That couldn't be further from the truth. No I'm Has he not seen the film he made No, he probably hasn't before the stream zack snider can't read Wait, that's that's a different piece of the color I just want to accept the conclusion if this isn't zack snider can't read ryan johnson his his alter ego is zack snider He's like, yes Now I could finally be free from my confines of a brain and I could make all the stupid movies I always wanted to make I will be zack snider. Dude those two should team up Yeah, they should then they can make a movie that's I don't know what would their combination movie be well I suppose they can make a nice out, but like the opening is just daniel craig covered in blood holding nice That man shows up Yeah, yes It's called knives out it opens on I throw up whenever I see someone killed That would be funny to listen to Riot is like I want a shot where like it shows, you know Daniel craig is like standing above all of the people and he's just like no blood blood We need blood death We have like a like a fist fight between all of the characters in this room right now And then a zombie tiger could jump in through the window Oof cool Then they have to and then they pull out machine guns and one of them has a katana and it is very cool Zack snider would be like I have a great color correction filter to use on this film And it like completely desaturates it makes it about 70 dark Very cool Zack snider would be like I have a great color correction filter I could put on this film And then just puts on a pair of sunglasses How did it change the colors of everything in the world? That's amazing. How did it do that? Do I also know this power? We're a tenth of our time is up already That happens, um I'll keep doing that in fractions because everyone loves fractions and by showing us This this progress has been made with the hex gates Very clear time has passed and I would say a big indicator of that as well is that Heimerdinger has a lot of Sort of he's he's very respectful toward jace and even says you deserve this honor, which Quite a difference compared to the last time they were talking. So it's like, yeah, it must have um jace must have been doing some good shit since then We get a lot of that in this opening to tell you jace's reputation is completely different than it was seven years ago Yeah, we've gone from don't mention magic shut up shut up shut up to this so man of progress Oh, no, we're two minutes under the episode We are um so Yeah, he mentions by the way, and this is I think very important Heimerdinger Mentioned his achievements in this in the sense of you've brought scholars to our city and you've reignited passions in art and science so It's not like he's talking about you've made Uh trading wine with an ox is very efficient. It's like no Heimerdinger's a wino Priorities and things that he cares about. He's yeah, he's like a Karen Heimerdinger is a Karen I want to see him with the hat I saw you using magic and I want to speak to your manager immediately. This is very unsafe Wait, what if a Karen is the manager because he is kind of the manager in a lot of ways, so I would like to speak to myself the manager. Oh god. We're bringing Zach Snyder and the singularity towards fight Karen Dinger Um But yeah, one of the the first visuals you can start to spot is that there is this man of progress things being Printed on like all kinds of different things banners cups and stuff With jace's face. It's like oh, that's that's definitely a change And we see some mechanical butterflies. Ain't they cute I wish I wish to plant a flag in that I'm gonna plant flags as we as we go with lots of different things I think I'd do it with first three episodes because we're gonna do all kinds of callbacks You better be ready for that. It's gonna be scary Um, but yeah, everything's very happy chill like kids are in wonder with all the technology and there's little like Elements and everything's fun. It's just like Piltover progress day is a lot of good shit Yeah beyond what's happy And then we see Caitlyn Um, which well, I guess you should say we see jace first. Uh, I was actually looking over this, um Yesterday when I decided to take a break from editing book about that reaction episode 7 coming out possibly tomorrow Uh, yeah, oh my god the finale Uh, just just just want to throw that out there chat if you saw book about that. Wasn't it fucking amazing? best episode Remember the rancor I remember the rancor Um Anyway, the last time we saw jason relation to the It is kirimans, right? I Okay, katelyn kiriman. Yeah. Yeah, so he got booted out Basically and separated from being able to talk to katelyn and then When we see him with katelyn's mom in this scene Like the first moment she describes him as their most famous protege It's like holy shit. That's changed then like, um He's now like fully accepted and even used as a As a as a boon to their like achievements and stuff I'll just use him as a boon. They did and they will They put his they put his face on posters. I guess to plant this seed already. You may notice that someone else isn't here While all this is going on. Jesus. Yeah, I mean, there were two people at crack techs tech He used to be the one I was not around that much. Um The uh, yeah, but then we get uh Almost a reintroduction to katelyn just add some of the stuff you've known from the first three episodes But this is more of a strong introduction to a character Especially there's a lot of dialogue that gives you the baseline for what she's going to be up to Primarily being jays is making fun of her for being on guard here when there's literally like no crime at all But um, that's thanks to him mom is what we figure out because she doesn't want her anywhere near actual danger um And he says she says like she's annoyed and then he says well, it's not it's your fault for not following a career more Befitting your station See we've got class issues. Can you believe it? Hey Um, yeah, and katelyn said she'd do anything to keep me from seeing the real world One of them fundamental lines I would say and it describes a lot about a person Yes A lot about a pretty great character Oh god, I feel like this fight's already brewing bubbling. Who knows? I don't know. Anyway, so they see the ship the shipping lanes and um There's this there's this weird guy on like a a board of some kind holding a stop watch Get in toward it. He looks villainous. I think he's probably a bad guy um And then there's these like thug like peeps moving some barrels Um, so everything seems kind of normal on the surface But three barrels have uh little crosses on them little little pink crosses. It's like, hmm You got you got a wonder And uh Yes, he was the one that got punched in the fucking face by rye And uh, I think he was he was down until the like end of the episode. So You know, yeah, pretty much surprise. He ain't dead good to know He's alive and well after seven years in hospital probably Up his goddamn head off Well, he's got nothing good in the store for him if you true So, yeah, this this guy is like, what would you guys up to and then they give him a bag of money It says money on the bag and and they're like from your friend downtown I think is what savika says who um Looking a little bit different as well last we saw her arm was blown off Um, she's not dead. She looked pretty damn dead earlier on but uh, she seems to have made it And she's got like Scarring on her face to the side as well. There's another detail about her I'll try and pick out if I can find it but Yeah, it's um, it's kind of neat because like every person you see who was in the first three It's just like the show kind of wants to try and be like Tell you some stuff without telling you it straight away and um We'll get to that soon enough with some other characters, but Yeah, she gives the money everything's great But it's about to move on but these pesky board people they just they just rush in an attack board people you look Yeah, they're so racist Board people people of board people of board who uh Have pretty interesting tech and they have like masks that also modify their voices and when they come in they throw Like crystal things at people and it freezes them up uh temporarily and They they say that they even the leader seems to have a timer to Make sure he knows when they're gonna break out because it's only temporary Which is pretty interesting whoever these guys are they don't seem to want to kill people or if they can avoid it They'll they'll do it. So, you know, it's always a big indication of stuff They're coming in prepared You could say that they uh, they got Captain Marvel They got they got cc'd and they know how long it lasts There's a five minute stun. Nobody's gonna think that's balanced Five minutes. You're you're stunned for five minutes. I'm just gonna fucking you'll make food if I get hit by that move If you've played wow classic, it's not far off from kidney shot Morgana someone say That's the old joke you get hit by a Morgana bind you go and make a cup of tea take a shower And you know go about your day then you come back and you're still like halfway through the cc duration So the thing about when you're in the middle of a fight if anything takes like two seconds Like literally that's the description. It feels like 10 minutes Please let me go a long time in gameplay terms um But yeah, so obviously Silco must have some kind of deal with the people involved with these things via money to sell shimmer And these ships are going through those lanes. So um That that seems to be an operation and these fuckers are attacking it. Whoever they may be party poopers. Yeah But um, they seem to be that's funny. That's when they said, oh the party poopers are here That's the name of their organization party poopers So they feel like more and more terrorist sex and like Organized crime needs needs to prioritize humor when coming up with that name. Yeah, that's why that's why they attacked on progress day Because they're party poopers. Imagine like imagine like fucking Some terrorist organization decided to call themselves like the poopy poops Just so they'd have to listen just so that like news news reporters would have to say that Here are the demands of the poopy poops Poopy poops have wiped Um So, yeah, the their goal is to just destroy crush kill all of the shimmer It's just at that point. You're just like, I wonder who's who's aligned with who here. What exactly is happening? um And two of them go below deck. I guess uh to check To see if there's more to destroy down there Um, but then like they're trying to do like a creepy thing Like what's what's what's what's going on here? And uh, they accidentally trip something the locks the room and you see a little um little drawing which I think is enough to already give it away for most people Um, given we we've seen a character draw something of this type of animal and in a very jagged way before Well, I was actually gonna I was gonna say I'll I'll try and grab up a little comparison here Like so this is what they see and uh I would say it looks a lot like this, which is something that who's all drawn up by powder back in the day Uh in the sort of main area But the drawing she's done this time kinder Reminds me of something Does it remind you guys of something? Yeah One that might have caused a few problems So um This is the thing I'm trying to avoid praising the show too. Fucking heavily. Okay, but I think that's a really fucking good choice Because straight away tells me a lot. All right Lots of information is sent right into my brain worms I have them lots of them. They they just chill eating pasta and stuff um Yeah, that's that's that's a thing that's happening there No And don't don't worry jack They uh they say she's here And uh when I was watching this I was just like, oh, fuck. What what does she become as a result of this like oh jeez? because um She's essentially a psychopath in the game Yes, and that's not off the table for uh what we see in the first three episodes plus seven years of being brought up by These these lots so bad one Yes, um She like Uh Goes past them real quick and attaches six grenades. I really wish it was just two because like Man you attach three on each of them real quick. It's impressive. She must have had like some kind of Like three in a in each hand, which I'm sure Uh, though, obviously it doesn't really matter one or three. They get blown up and they dead uh, which I guess is an immediate thing of like whoever just attached those bombs really doesn't give a fuck about killing people, huh? No, how many how many do you do in the game? Oh, he's like incredibly low damage And yeah, it doesn't do any damage mainly uh stun control ability. Yeah, I was just saying how many how many of the chompers get launched I think I think it's three or five three. Yeah, okay um Yeah, we got like a little little smoke as she exits the the thing and I think they Like kind of do I guess you could call it like an audience bait for a moment. She could like comes across as a little bit um out of the loop and like hi and you're just like what the fuck because You know for those who have no fucking clue who jinx is um from the game It's just like this is powder grown up now, which is already just like oh man And the first thing she does is hug two grenades two more people Yeah, and uh Pulls the the pins with her teeth. It's just like oh shit. She's um, I mean, she's cool Well, I uh, I I don't know how everyone feels about that. You know, I don't I dare I ask Everyone think that she's cool or not. I don't know I think she's very cool and like the the suspense on the scene is pretty pretty great I think sometimes she crosses the edgy line for me, but you know, I think she's cool like a lot of the time Yeah, um, I feel like I I've I've heard people refer to her as like a Jared Leto Joker when how like extreme she can be sometimes Not even close. I don't know that we can have that conversation just yet. We're gonna need a lot more references But that is definitely a conversation that we're gonna have to have because it's a lot of people have brought it up A lot of people feel that way They may be wrong But what what I what I will say is like she represents kind of an archetype And the archetype has been done very badly a lot of times and I think that she's a very good version of that archetype It's um, it's it's such an easy It's such like, hey, let's bank over how cool this character is archetype that just becomes so cringe immediately If they do it with that attitude yeah um, obviously the main reference would be margot robbie's Harley Quinn for recent years, right? How yeah, are you you hate women? That is a character that has had three full portrayals in movies and they still don't know exactly what the fuck they're doing with her Um, I don't really understand much about her. Uh, you guys remember birds of prey No Not well no Didn't see it. It is a sludge movie. That's hard to recall. I agree Well, because I think the whole point of that film was like, uh, moving on from mr. J You know, like that was basically the whole point of that film and I think by the end we're meant to believe that that's what happened I don't know if it was like and then in like the suicide squad it felt like she was pretty static She's she's there because it's Harley Quinn and everybody likes Harley Quinn, right? And she would have to announce that she's a bad guy And like the thus wait. Yeah, it's suicide squad not the suicide squad to make sure no one's that's not confusing at all, right? We're bad guys. It's what we do That was the first one. Yeah Yeah, um But yeah, she knocks out two of the four people who are the body people in this area Straight away and then she's obviously knocked down two below Um, I keep wanting to call him by his name, but I'm like, I guess I shouldn't yet A leader that throws two of those christly things at it. She dodges one and shoots the other one And uh, I don't know just that She she's been getting good We should go with that pistol. I think we're about to talk about her aim with a different weapon soon Um, but I just I like this shot. You can see the the batman I I mean, he's not batman, but he's a man who seems to have bat features That the species is called cheerians or I'm not sure what the pronunciation is. Is there a is there a champion who's one of those? There is not a champion. There is however a bunch of like cards in the card game Okay I would just buy the comic book that the type if the title was Man who seems to have bat features Hahaha My old What a picture of a person with like some pointy ears and like a nose like that with question marks all around him Like he appears to have bat features Yeah um Yeah, he goes for it. She dodges and shoots him and I think his mask Uh, all he dodges it. It's kind of hard to tell it's pretty quick. Yeah, so it's a very Very quick maneuver But she does kick him over and then jumps and lands specifically on his head, which um I probably hurt a little bit It breaks his mask Um, meanwhile, uh, the leader and uh, subordinate are just desperately trying to get the job done now, which is to explode the Or at least burn the the shimmer I'm not sure does shimmer explode or does it just burn? It appears to explode in concentrated issues or anything like that But it's like it by itself. It seems to be like an accelerant Yeah Well, we watched because in the in the third, yeah, it's basically like gasoline because we saw it in the third episode It was trailed along the floor and then it like followed up to the lab where there was like a bunch of it And then it blew up. So it's basically like gasoline um He signals his friendo to to drop the flare to burn it and she grabs it By the way, look at her. Uh, look at it. Look at her nail varnish there. Look at that detail robots I mean Yeah, like seriously because you'd think Especially with the style they could have just made it a single color for each nail Instead we got all the the scratchy removal pieces of it and um You can if you look at all the the details of the colors and the reflections on them, it's just like You don't have to do that But you do it anyway, um jinx grabs The hand and hits her in the head with a the the butt of the pistol and it knocks off the the mask and it's vye Or at least she thinks it is Um, because the girl also thought it was I very much like that they give it to you from her perspective First I'm I'm appreciative of that. Yeah, and uh, she's struggling there And she immediately Like comes out of this sort of terminator mode into oh Wait, what and uh We get just like shut down briefly. Yeah, that's the girl. She's actually grabbed But uh, you can understand the mistake kind of I think she would say that's the hair uh And then we get flashes of memory and now this is not like boba fat Where they're like, do you remember all the tusks that died? Is that sad? Look at this fucking frame Flashbacks with interesting little things added into them It's like the memories are a little bit warped A complete clash like it's like we're seeing an a person's perception of an event rather than literally just the same footage That we were shown originally but again Yes, uh, whoa, what a great way to do a flashback And the fact that we cut the first flashback is her being loving and then the second one is her grabbing her and saying you're jinx Just uh very straightforward. This is this is a clash. She has a clash of of of thoughts You can see it in her expression. She's just trying to process. Yeah Whatever the fuck's going on in her head. Well, look at that uh, that image right there Some the really scratchy line work is uh, it's just makes a lot more chaotic as an image um This is something this is something that the show I think does exceptionally well, which is like um surreal explorations of the mind Uh, there's a bunch of different shots that do that in different ways, but I found it to be very effective It's something I really like but it's not done very well in film all that often. So I really appreciate that Um, in this case it feels like another just good example of utilizing the medium Absolutely, uh Though, um, you know, I'm not unaware of criticisms of this moment, right? So the first one I've seen is that um, wow, is it so hard to try and use your other arm to help you get out of being grabbed I think all you've got here is that the girl is panicking and she's been hitting the face with a pistol So maybe she's a bit Woosy, but yeah, it doesn't seem like she's putting as much effort as she could into escaping. Yeah I would say that this is not as bad as in endgame a film that I haven't been thinking about lately Where Thanos is about to get an axe pushed into his face by Thor and he just leaves his left arm Just there not doing anything for a small five second Yeah, this is really quick as well and it's kind of difficult to understand exactly how much time has passed because it's uh Jinx's mind is going all over the place Yeah, um, but then the other criticism is are they not standing in fire right now? And also look she's using your other hand look she is there. Um, yeah visually gorgeous, but Um, I think it probably should have fucked up their legs quite a bit. They're both standing in the pool Yeah Right in it, yeah At least I can appreciate that this avoids a huge pet peeve of mine in video games Which is when your character Lightly maybe gets within the vicinity of a tiny little flame on the ground your entire character bursts into flame You start taking damage Is that dude that's such a fucking movie trope with objects and buildings Like there's one flame on the floor the whole thing goes up Everybody is doused in Their character must be doused in castling. Yeah but Is it uh Is it super clear they're standing over? I'm watching it right now. I guess standing in the That feet are in in the pool. Oh, yeah. Yeah, okay. I'm pretty sure they're in it And someone said it's just show she's like I do follow that it would show she's focused But she stands in here long enough that I would do serious damage to her legs Um, yeah, that's fair. That's a good friend. Oh the fire is purple. How do you know how it works? I've bought paper fire before Have you not heard the song purple flame? No Oh, it's got the rules in it. Um, the other girl breaks from the grip and as she tries to run away jinx shoots her in the back And she's dead Wow Yeah, and the leader is like no And it's kind of like oh man. I'm so I'm so conflicted. Who's the what's happening here? Who's the good guys? Who's the bad guys? Um a reaction immediately after this. Well, he solved that reflexively. Yeah, she's uh Almost hyperventilating probably wondering what the hell is happening because she was sitting that was vi for a moment Um And yeah, uh, the leader's all sad. He's like, oh my god. Why the fuck And then he looks at his little clock and all the people are breaking out of the Freezy things so he he best get going Um, but he still tries to commit to uh hitting her and in reaction. Yeah, he married. He's very mad. Um So he sprints at her with his uh his little stick I'm not entirely sure what it is looks very custom and uh in response. She pulls out a fucking Gatling gun And uh starts spraying it like a madman Everywhere But I think is it is it person with bat like features is the one that saves Yeah Um, I love the expressions on jinx's face in the scene when she's shooting that gun Fucking losing her schnizzles Um, and yeah, she's shooting fucking everywhere. It's completely terrified Well, yeah, because I I don't know what better way to have shown us Her mind is a fucking tangled web of chaos right now Sometimes it's raised and sometimes it just looks like outright fear Yeah Um, and I notice this as well. This was definitely the first time I was like, I'm really sorry to notice that the uh When screaming characters they they don't resist showing that saliva getting around. Yeah They didn't before the animators have a spitting a spit fetish Um Yeah, she uh Tags a whole bunch of things a bit of the the shimmer and um one of the one of the henchmen Um And it looks as if she just shoots until the gatling gun like I don't exactly know how the gatling gun works I don't think it's the spoiler to consider everything we know about it throughout the show. It seems to Run on I don't know if there's an ammo feed is kind of where I'm going with this Yeah, I don't know where the app like It's I think we might have to chalk this one up to technological bullshit. I think yeah Because the ammo is stored in hammer space. Yeah, you can't actually like in the movies You can't you can't carry a gatling gun around and just shoot it You have to carry all the ammunition that you want to shoot and you have to carry his big fucking battery to spin the thing And the gun itself is going to be A huge Ways of crapload that there's a reason you can't just carry those around We know that it fires, um Real physical ammo. Yes. Oh, yeah, you see the shells everywhere Well, I was that interpretation This is the kind of the uh, I think this comes up more than once They are locked in to what certain weapons have to be here because of the game I don't know that it was natural for her to make a gatling gun Uh, I the pistol is totally chill with me the gatling gun feels a little bit more like Well, she has it in the game. You're like, yeah, yeah, especially when she's a scaler's established She's a sharpshooter when a gatling gun is Not a different kind of Much more difficult to be Sorry I feel like this should have come later I don't disagree with that and I've seen a lot of people point out it's like man That is something that's pretty damn heavy for a girl who build and it's like, yeah, she's very tiny She probably weighs like 100 pounds or something Well, 80 something ridiculously small I'd imagine Right now she's still in like the early stages of unhinged so I don't know about you know the gatling gun Yeah The manic weapon I agree Um And the and the barrels are spinning and the last one ends on showing the girl who's dead Get a nice choice of doing a shot. I think we found this, um For you, are we talking about it where it's like Boba fat is like a show where you can tell and yeah, we're gonna be referencing it a whole bunch again guys We just saw the finale. Okay. It's a show where no shots are thought about You can tell that they're all just done for the sake of you know, like this is what happens So this is what we show. Yeah Luke's arm it's entire frame. It's just Luke's arm out of focus That was a funny moment. Yeah Meanwhile show like arcane. It seems like they grab opportunities to present things in particular ways A lot of the time and it makes for a lot of fun looking at them because you're like, oh It seems to me like that's a huge indicator of um Passion I think Because I don't know that it requires intense levels of talent and skill and experience to be able to just pull off some shots That make the audience go. Oh, it's a different way of showing that I'd agree. I think I feel like a lot of time as well um, so that um What I find to be underappreciated is cinematography that conveys the Atmosphere and the um and the tone of the scene without drawing focus from the events that are actually happening within it You don't have to be Consciously perceiving. Wow, that's such a great shot to be watching excellent amazing for cinematography And arcane has a lot of that Yeah Where it captures atmosphere without pulling focus I've seen people talk about it. I guess I'll bring it up because I don't know This is like a is there not boosted strength for everybody in arcane slash league legends. That's not something I'm aware of at all Not really You would have to just take that by the standards of looking at what the average human seems to be capable of doing They seem pretty normal. Um, they all seem pretty normal I mean, you remember when we were talking about vi using banders gauntlets and she was being weighed down by them and everything, right? So it's grounded that like There are things like some of the jumps of eye makes and whatnot and that sort of thing but I don't know how much that's worth talking about because There are a few bits of them doing some stuff. That's like, whoa, that's something you can do. I'm like, yep. All right But um Yeah, uh, I don't know about the idea that she's able to hold this because she's got boosted strength from something That that argument only comes in in episode eight. I would argue. Yes um Yeah, and just another the rest of the scene is just appreciating her facial expressions again, which um There's a lot of really good ones It's a really Cool thing they did because we talked about fans of us before and I feel like the start of the scene is Whoa, look, it's jinx. She's cool now. Look. She's beating them up and she's really good and stuff now And then they bring it back like back to the narrative by showing no, no, no This person still has a shitload of trauma and their mind is not sound And by having a completely just break in the second half of it and there's A consequence layer that's fun to see the fucking bad guy At least, you know, right-hand man being so Vika is like the fuck are you doing and it's like, yeah It's not just that she's crazy and nobody cares Even the bad guys are you're fucking everything up He said so he says, uh, so he says what the fuck you're doing and then she says we're bad guys It's what we do I can't wait to get back to the last drop and tell mr. J that I ruined the airship. Oh god And then he says honka honka Come here jinx my little honka honka Um, I can't wait to get the David She's like smiles at savika and So we guys this moment of looking around and just the expression change on jinx's face then as well Just like I fucking hate you But you they hate each other. They're not exactly friends Jinx and savika not a shock either because savika Her whole thing is trying to make things run smoother. So, um Uh Smirk from jinx is almost seemed to be like daring so we could take a swing. Yeah something to that effect Um Something on our shoulder, I think I would keep wow a chip on our shoulder really Yeah, isn't that bigoted or whatever pretty sure probably Uh Yeah, we see some people fucking around with with some fun stuff on progress day and then We get uh Victor is popping in a big screw with some runes written on it and I think uh For you what we were watching it, uh, we saw This this shot of victor and we were both like, oh no. Oh, he's like, oh Look, uh To be fair, I think a lot of people might not even notice there's something to notice. Um, see if we can get a couple of things There are a few things. Hmm one moment. I'm pretty sure I have an image for this We've got through 10 minutes of the episode. It's very promising There's actually uh, two things to notice about his changes. Well to be fair, there's probably more than that But there's two things that I know is Yeah, here we go Okay, so Let's uh When we saw him in uh episode two This is how he looked And then the first time we see him in this episode He's looking like this, which I think is a really good comparison Yeah, I ain't doing well. Cheeks are all sunk in and he's got dark circles under the eyes The lighting as well. Yeah Victor ain't looking good. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah and The other one nice What is the other one right for the other one or? Um, I might do what is the other one there? Uh, he has gone from cane to crutch True We don't see that just yet. Oh, well, that's fine. Uh, we'll we'll just show it anyway So that's what he used to have and now he has this uh And he's even got the um the brace on his leg, which he didn't used to have We see it when he turns to Which is great attention to detail dude, like um, yeah, uh This is the thing because we already knew at this point, uh, mean for me what his fate was thanks to the game So seeing this progression, which I think anybody who knows the games we should be like, oh man He's a he's a good little science boy Bad things are gonna happen to him Uh, but yeah, very very good work very noticeable straight away for those I would argue who are invested I wouldn't have any issue with someone not noticing this at all because you just don't even know what The plans are with these characters yet. So you can yeah, I had like, huh because I don't know anything about the game So I'm just like, oh things aren't looking good Hmm All right But yes, um, oh that was something I wanted to look at as well. Okay, I need to go I had a note and I missed it because I'm stupid Yeah That's mean jay. What do I do to you? I'm just being supportive of you I'm being supportive of you lacking support No, jeez jay you're gonna take that yeah, so I think this is a Detail that I'm not making up in my own head when um, savika like Sort of grunts and looks a bit angrier. You see just under a blanket where arm would be it lights up purple It's just like a noise Yeah, because that's I think that's the place where it injects the uh, or like it pumps in the shimmer, right? Yes, it's on the shoulder neat detail as well because Obviously, they're keeping that under wraps right now that she's got a robo arm Put something there Because you you know and the viewer might be wondering. Hey, didn't you lose an arm? Yeah What gives maybe she found it Yes, she could have found it Um Or it was like atomized That's never that is no no no no one's Yeah, come on. Yeah Let anything from stars Uh, so yeah, the progress that's been made is the those those little shitty hex rocks Nobody likes them. They've been refined or at least three of them have been into Hex crystals. They look great and they're pretty much immune to like destabilization Gemstones now won't the hex crystals before I don't fucking know Jay How many times have you watched the show more like one time? Maybe a half time actually. Oh, I wasn't really paying attention Yeah, most of this I'm just going from visuals. I'm like, oh, there's big. There's a ball. Uh, it's shiny Yeah, that's how good it is the visuals are so good. You don't even have to watch the show You just analyze them as you go and have you not heard of visual storytelling you an idiot I mean don't hear about visual storytelling. You see it. That's not true You're just you're I'm just here. I'm hearing about it right now as you're talking about it. Yeah You've destroyed yourself Uh Yeah, they show that um, even when it's hit hardcore with a fucking hammer it doesn't blow up Paul Heimadinga. He's like, no. Yeah, he's upset. He's like, oh my wait. Don't do it. Oh my god Even his little dinkle dunger is is like, oh my goodness gracious. That's bad scared was one of those called poro Poro is that its name or the species that it is species name is a poro. Yeah Oh, that's what I just called the homeless people whenever I drive by That's that's rude. That's classist No, they like it. Oh, okay So, um We got what do you shower them with as you drive by what do I shower them with? Yeah, I have a Um, well, I don't really shower them with anything. I just make sure that if there's any puddles nearby I Drive my car on the puddles so that it sprays them just like god So water is your answer About way of saying water, which is the least imaginative thing to shower someone with No, it ain't just water. It's it's like water and all this stuff that just runs off from the streets And there's probably like syringes in there to them. That's water To them. That's water. That's how that's hobo water I wonder if you can order that at trungos Hobo water with your grumbos I'd like a mac and cheese and a wine glass and some hobo water Oh, look, we're a fifth of the way through our time nice So they're showing off the what the the the hex crystals can do which is power Audible devices including but not limited to the atlas gauntlets Which it's funny because like I think did anyone I was watching it with Rags what you like is that from the game? I can't remember if anybody was I think I I think I might have I think I might have been like, uh, I'm guessing that that was me on the game I felt I certainly said that about the hammer that he uses later But I think with the gauntlets. I also was like, is that from the game? Um, and now in the bad way I was just like legitimately sort of, you know fan service array It's kind of strange like it's their first starting out and it already looks like a very very finished product Well, they're trying to show it off to heimerdinger, right? Uh These are like prototypes for demonstration, right? Yeah, but they already look super finished like ready to go They're pretty much only a functional prototype, right? Like before you can build more of these things you need to build sure you but I mean the first working one is the prototype that Works as intended, right, but you would think that it would look just a little less refined Yeah, generally prototypes are not built to look good unless they were just that confident in how good it was These are also, um, they're hoping to demonstrate these in front of like hundreds thousands of people today Yeah, they are built for more than just utility. Yeah. So yeah, I guess they are built for show too You may know is however Distinction in visual appearance between the one that jace shows off and the one that victor shows off What do you mean? Look at them in terms of visual styling the gauntlet is all like gilded almost. It's very Uh flashy in design Looks very intricate and you know ornate almost and then you compare across to victor's hexclaw thing and it's very Utilitarian in design. It's Function over form you might say. Oh my god. I wonder if there's anything informing his desire to for functional form It's a pretty cool, uh check-offs gauntlet because they're like, hey, we can use these And it'll be great for like mining and stuff and of course if you know if you know anything about Like We were watching it the second they showed it we were like vias getting those gauntlets But I get but it's but it's more than just the cool factor because it's kind of like You see that and you know, they're like, oh, yeah We can use this for like work and stuff and your mind immediately goes to man. That'd be like a really good weapon It's like, I wonder if we're gonna do anything with that Well, yeah, that's like the level of almost naivety for these Characters like his goal is to help them move things and victors is uh for creating engravings or even like Sculpting and stuff and it's like a laser mate No thing they chop off the horn One oh that may be so upset Yeah, I just I sympathize for the creature I think it was an important thing to happen in the scene actually. Oh, definitely A hundred percent just good and ready. Yeah All right in terms of like how many is just that like you could have just killed my cat Yeah Yeah, plot hole. He's not upset enough about that I actually was kind of annoyed by that that it wasn't a bigger deal Um, yeah, you could have had him panic further over it But I mean his ultimate conclusion is a decade and you can use these things So I guess I guess it just probably would have been just a little better to see him Like shoot at the dog and then it'll be all like did you not just see what happened? You clearly need a safety test these things a good while longer But he shrugs off the dog and still goes with the speech anyway that you got a safety ready it Yeah, yeah I quite like this there's a little bit where jace is just talking about how awesome the gemstone is and Heimerdinger they have this shot here with the claws moving on its own and uh Heimerdinger's just looking at it terrified like oh shit the fuck Yeah So this demonstration was just to be like look how much we've got to show look how much progress we've made It's so great and Heimerdinger's basically like you guys You're nuts. All right. You need to slow down This stuff is clearly not ready Um And yeah, it's just uh It's a good scene because we're gonna get a couple of these kinds of scenes, but um It's not just about using magic Which I I've seen a lot of people say that Heimerdinger's character is just he doesn't like magic He likes science like not really at all Even if that even if those were his like even if those were like his very clear values There's so much more to him that isn't just his values, right? if that's just Seems disingenuous If we're to use an example from the scene the malfunction with the uh the hex claw thing I don't know if I would even call that a magical malfunction in nature like magic had nothing to do with it It started tracking the gemstone that jace was holding and shot because jace was fucking around with it Which is actually a good detail Yeah, but how that could happen Um Yeah, I'm a dinger is just we need to have safeguards against this shit. It's clearly not ready. Um, and this is the thing Heimerdinger is correct. It's not ready. Um Um If we can go from like that kind of issue Can you imagine what would happen if you had like a bunch of devices of this kind working in close proximity to one another Like say a bunch of miners down in a mine all with those atlas gauntlets Who knows what the fuck could happen if they start like tracking each other's gemstones and stuff I grew up surrounded by science Heimerdinger. That's just gonna keep coming up and i'm not even annoyed at that Uh, we're we're gonna we're gonna cry in that line into the town Uh, I grew up surrounded by overused jokes. I think it originated in the death He's saying Theo it's such great writing. I was born in the dirt Cometo's really wet. That was his point And he's not wrong Uh, but yeah, Heimerdinger basically shuts them down and they're both very very sad about that Uh back to the They said it's not a blimp, right? What are these ships even called just ships? I think they're just cool. No very much ship Um, I think they're called airships. I think the guy who was paid off is just like saying, yeah I don't know. There was like there was a couple of them He's just like looking really shifty. It's like, yeah, it's pretty awkward to have been bribed And then like everything goes to fucking hell. I don't even know how you I deal with that poor guy I'm sure his story is very interesting. But katelyn walks in there that little inquisitive douche being like, hmm What's what's all this what's happening here? funnily enough, I think the You know, like, well, I guess Theo's gonna put something really really full on responses. Oh, maybe fringy. I don't know But um, the what do you think of her? The choice to give her this hat, which is probably the closest they're gonna allow us to get to a top hat Um, I think it makes a lot more sense I would be wearing like a normal hat rather than a crazy top hat. Do you think she'll ever get her top hat? um maybe Maybe such a style cringe She would have to be a bit colder Doesn't quite feel like it would be in line with her. Does it like I don't think I'll be in line with her and i'm not sure how much it would fit in with the aesthetic that they well Maybe I I don't need it though. I don't need the top hat It's just it's interesting choice because the hat is a bit big and that's probably why is that they were like Look, we can't give you the top hat. We can give you this All right studio mandate Well, I think it's woke that they didn't give her her top hat. That's what I think That's a top hat agenda Big small hats. I try to take over all the top hat representation big small hats You know aesthetically, I think her hat looks really good I like it. I like the holding of the uniform for sure better than a top hat I really enjoy this discussion is not like as being someone who's not at all familiar with the games Because sometimes you just get like it's like oh, I guess we're having a conversation that to me is entirely random Like hey, do you think they're really gonna get Caitlyn next top hat? Oh You know Probably half and half in the chat who know exactly what we're talking about compared to people who are like, what the fuck are they talking about? But you think you think chase is having a pet frog. Do you think that's ever gonna happen? I hope so. I hope they give him his video game. I hope they give him this big coat Yeah, I've seen you're obsessed with that big coat. You cannot die before he gets that big coat, right? He needs the big coat god damn it uh Yeah, uh, she's just looking into the crime scene. She's spotting some things. She's looking at marking She's looking at evidence. She's even trying to recreate what she would think would be What like where the guns were aiming and where they were shooting to picture how things went down Looking at blood splatters and stuff it's um It's pretty neat We were we thought for a moment that she might like her like plot line might be detective. Caitlyn, you know Like throughout the whole thing But it's mainly just this scene and then the rest of it's more so A combination with another character um But yeah, uh, she spots the um one of the the soldier the big thugs after being shot by jinx He seems to have decided that he doesn't want anything to do with silco anymore. He's given up He hasn't had enough probably of jinx's antics And so he just hid in the uh in the lower parts of the ship and i'm assuming he was just waiting to be found Because I don't know why else we would do that really Uh, well, he also got shot waiting me. He was wounded. Well, it seems to me that Like he must be what would his goals be other than just they're gonna find me eventually and that's fine. Whatever Mm-hmm, but he wasn't sitting there like the entirely my choice. He was also wounded Yeah, I suppose assuming yes full range of movement The only alternative is he was waiting there like on the pipe dream that the investigation doesn't find him And then they leave and he can slip away Maybe yeah, that's that's an alternative, but he does seem to be Like fucking pissed that this has happened in terms of just like god my job sucks. Um And he's not Well, I guess yeah when he talks to k then he doesn't not give silco up Loyalty it's nah, he'll kill me dude Which is probably very true Very true and before he can give more away marcus shows up and he's like Ah Katelyn fucking he's he's just he calls it curemen, right? Um, yeah It doesn't take her that seriously and I think that the idea is supposed to be that She's poking her nose and stuff and she's like annoying and and she's a curemen. She's not really like an enforcer She's more so just like this person who's playing it being an enforcer. She's not taken seriously It's kind of the point And Typical penis man. Here we go again. He's kind of right. You can't call asians that He's kind of writing this scene because the implication is that she keeps just fucking off to do whatever she wants Yeah, she's not listening to orders Not doing enforcer things um But of course, so like first time around The interpretation can easily be that uh, it's just like a standard sort of Boss worker dynamic where she's just blah blah, but um If you if we remember marcus was in line with silco in episode three Um, I don't think it's much of a spoiler to talk about this as though we know already that he's still Uh Doing different things with silco And so this scene plays a little bit differently in that he's just trying to get her away from that thug Um, because he can control everything except wild cards obviously and she's a bit of a wild card That comes up a couple times Anyway Uh, we visit the last drop with some time for a rave Yeah, well, so this is the thing. I think um First time through because I I hadn't even picked up that it was the same place Straightaway, you know what I mean? Like the the last drop is the light. There's there's plenty of things I just don't necessarily pick up but Yeah, I think the point of this scene is to just be like look what it's become Look what a zone has become basically like it when silco is under management or is managing it Um, things seem a lot more chaotic, uh, especially the last drop We're basically everybody's just doing drugs and everyone everyone seems a lot less It used to be a bar now. It's a club But like the worst seems a lot less lame Yeah, it's really cool. It does look cool. I want to live at the last drop Kind of a cool mirroring they do because the lyrics of the two songs deal with like playground and this one deal with kind of similar subject Matters, but of course the the actual songs themselves are completely different like this one is Fucking rave music. It's like crazy and Playground was a lot more subdued and then the camera work and stuff as we cut around The under city is so much more chaotic and Riled up, I guess. Yeah This yeah, this place is um in a frenzy now Things have changed. So we could just take someone's drink from them. Vanda wouldn't have let that happen in his day So cruel Wow, it's how you get the corona. Yeah You steal someone else's corona steal someone's corona Like hey, it's my corona We enter silco's office where she's complaining savika now about the job and how It was mostly fucked up by uh jinx And she says she's a problem and we all know it and he just goes who's we And there's just this silence of just like uh, because if you admit Your entire team has a problem with her. It's just gonna be like Um, or rather even though it's just mainly savika It's just like there's no good answer to that question if your boss is asking you that really You got names of people I could shoot in the head for that um, and then also like in everything everything and shit about her like just Everything silco says makes him more powerful in the scene In every scene silco's fantastic. Yeah After that gap of who's we or that she doesn't answer He just says don't disappoint me again. This is like Because it was her job Oh, he's great. Um, yeah, and so obviously she's just like way and leaves and um That's a great thing about silco. He doesn't have to say much to say a lot Yeah And he starts like talking about the state of zorn and how Uh, there's just lots of different things. I remember thinking to myself when first watching this I was just like is he just just openly stating the state of the world. It's a little bit lame But then And it's uh, and it works for a lot of different meaning too. Uh, he's talking to jinx She's right above just sitting in a A little I don't know hidey hole And if you remember the conversation he just had with savika, I don't think savika knew jinx was there Because uh, it's a bit awkward to say in front of jinx like we all have an issue with her. She's uh She's ruining like different jobs that we're doing. It's just like that feels like a conversation that Um, savika didn't even know she was there, but that it just tells you without saying anything Silco probably values jinx right now above even his right-hand man Um to the point where he doesn't care if she hears all of that because I think he thinks of her as like a teammate like directly Um Which is a pretty interesting thing to have happen. It's a lot that's said through not saying anything at all And then he asks her what happened and she like just fucking plants down on his table And a lot of people like to point out This is no reason not to that uh, he's got little bits and bobs on his table that are clearly like Fucked with by her in terms of like yeah crayon drawings and stuff and it's not like he's drawn on like he's gotten rid of them. He's kept them um These are little touches That I would argue are pretty important But just describing how things have changed without looking into the dialogue necessarily just yet Let's who would throw away that monkey mug, huh? I would monkey mug. That's shit. Wow All right, do you ever think you're just too cruel sometimes to monkeys? Nope Well, I I did once and I only you'd only confirmed that I was correct Very well Get that monkey mug away from me And the ashtray you shouldn't smoke Bad for you. That's true. That must be a lot of kickstall oats Uh, and yeah, um, I supposed to just get this out of the way There are some people I was asked this while I was streaming last night It's like there are some people who interpret their relationship as romantic. Um, please go away It's not clear to me Whether it is or it isn't I would say that it is clearly not. I don't know why you think it's not clear Uh, I mean they touch each other like Physically but not in that any kind of like I would say not in no kind of overtly sexual or romantic way just in a like a Not in a gay way just in a like they're both very close kind of a way Okay, I I could make I think a pretty compelling argument But I can't do it without mentioning a lot of stuff. We can't mention right now, but Like I I think that there is an interpretation where you could say that it's possible given how they portray other things in the show was like I think the people interpreted as romantic, right because it's like two, um Adults like hugging and touching very closely But you know what kind you know what what kind of like adults do that very often without Being romantically involved in each other is adults where one of them raised the other from childhood Like those those kinds of people they tend to like hug and cuddle a lot at least a lot of them do So, you know feels like that's the kind of thing we're going for here Not these guys are fucking Absolutely, I mean well it it could be but the show takes a sort of hands-off approach with Being explicit about people being romantic, right? Like without spoiling things and there's a very clear example of relationship I think it's supposed to be romantic. It is not at all clear I think that's supposed to I think there are other relationships in this that are supposed to be romantic But I think that the signs that we're given about these two Don't point me in a direction of interpreting their dynamic as a romantic one I I would lean non-romantic, but like there's one thing in particular that Happens I think in episode seven Uh Yeah, so we can't really bring it up. Okay I would lean in the direction of you guys, but I don't think it's as clear as you guys think it is I guess I'm I'm now I mean it's probably spoiler free enough, right? What moment are you referring to? With this little In the beginning of an episode Jinx goes into some water and something happens before that I well I never got the impression, but maybe uh, maybe I need to see that scene again. I don't know Wait, you mean when he rails a roll? That was pretty good you can't do that water. It's just not slick and ice Can I just say can could we just like because the conversation is going to be awkward if we don't say what happens? What he kisses her on the lips No, he doesn't I don't think so he does I am almost sure he doesn't All right, I'll go find it. I'll go get a timestamp Leans in I was gonna say I have no memory of that Yeah, I have no memory. I think I would have remembered that I feel like that's something that I would have clocked and been like, oh Yeah, that would have like put the debate like Right, what is that? The joke from smiling press Right, which joke All right chat we need to detour because we got to find the answer to this question We can go on I'm looking right now and I'll let you know Notice you put it in my head. It's too late I don't even know what episode it is It's an episode You're talking about the river scenery lowers her into the river Yeah, that's an episode five. They do not kiss. I just watched it Yeah, they don't kiss You're saying dooma media lied No Disgust fucking I'd say so once I have I've never heard that before he's a fetish. I imagine that you happen I'm now looking at it. That's why it's quiet because I'm like you gotta gotta make sure because it's creepy if It weren't true if it was What you said happened No, if you're referring to episode five, they don't kiss Yeah, where'd you get that they kiss from I just watched it I okay, then it's then it's probably not this scene. Look, I I'll okay. I will find a time scene I have 85 85 90 confidence. This happens. Do you are shipping them? I am 100 Have you watched like a fan? Yeah, you've been watching fan things browsing rule 34 too much because like I guess I could see a universe where you thought forever would they kiss they come about two inches Three may be away, but that's just not a kiss That's a lean in. All right, so you're now you're the kiss police. I I definitely am We destroy art and love it rags is my kiss sergeant. He'll he'll definitely Okay, maybe this is all that I was remembering that it looks pretty romantic to me, but okay The fuck you talking about Okay, how can creepy baptisms look at all already? I mean, this is practically what this is, right? Okay. So here's here's a question Well, let's let's say that let's say that he did kiss her there. Would that change your opinion? Yes Yeah Yeah, dramatically. All right, because that's that's why I was saying I was in question If that didn't happen, then I then I'll just take your position. I would do um I would do this face if he did that there you go people weird It would dramatically it would dramatically impact my my perception of his character, right? Yeah It would be it would be very hard to read him as anything other than an abuser I think at that point considering he has raised her and she's what like 18 She's 16. I think she's less than that. She's like what age what she was a little girl I think she was nine. So it's nine plus seven Yeah, so she's like almost like 15 or something. Oh, so yeah, he dramatically changed my Yeah, the summary of the conversation is that she is trying to explain That she's like she's losing it a little bit But that it's okay and he's like we can't afford for things to get fucked because um They're trying to make a difference for the people of zorn. He says uh, we deserve more than their runoff, which uh Just re-establishing exactly what he's about Um, and this is where they're at I suppose It was my copyright cover They're stuck with their runoff now while hex gates can just go wherever the fuck all right, so fortunately I have uh I I have a cut of just Jinks and silco scenes. I just flipped through it. It didn't happen. I flipped through the whole show All right. Well 90 percent. Uh, sure. That's what 90 percent sure is. Let's just let's just run a poll should Duma be banned from e-fab Look if you if you played poker, you know about that 10 to 15 percent, okay Look, I it looks it looks it looks weird to me. Okay. Dude. Look at this. All right All right now like that Holy monoleum Oh great. Okay chat What screenshot Oh X come 95 percent to it Oh god, it's an X come one. Yeah X come confidence 90 percent not romantic. Oh no Oh no All right. Well, it's been fun guys. I'll uh It looks like I'm uh heading out It's okay. You've got plenty of opportunities to be wrong in future too Yeah, don't deny yourself those opportunities uh Yeah, the uh That silco says take a break and then she's like I don't need a break and he's like take one anyway because obviously she's uh A little bit unstable She's pretty shaken. In fact somebody was just wearing purple hair Everything he says makes him more powerful in the scene. It's like He never he never gives an inch Doesn't do anybody like like I said he says so little but it says so much every time and then we go to a bourgeois party at the top of pilt over with all the counselors and everyone drinking wine and Talking disgusting. That's what I think uh of these high-class yobbos um Doing their high-class things But uh high-class trungos yes Mel is uh is chatting with this lady Uh, it's the lady we saw when she was first introduced and she's like your mother would be proud And her male's response is would she it's such a like oh man Aren't you like literally the the richest person in pilt over who's currently managed to like Push it further than ever by almost like supporting this one guy who you found The right time in the right place sort of thing to blow it. She's like, yeah, but still I was like, oh it It feels like an innocuous line almost It's something that could be missed without the further context of uh Who mel's mum is and exactly why she wouldn't be proud And an innocuous Very important. That's the thing. You don't waste time all this dialogue has a point Um, yeah and mel says there's only one person with worth my time And there's like a there's a leadership going past with man of progress on it It's like that is I think as uh over as they needed to be to basically argue Mel is treating jace as a bit of a project a source of things And she says hextech has the potential to change everything. I've already spoken to investors It's like there you go, which I think is a better acknowledgement than yes I've spoken to noxus. They're planning on going to war with us over there. It's like, no Okay, can I clarify something really quick chat? I didn't want them to be in a sexual relationship I just thought that's what happened. This isn't a fan fiction chat He didn't want it. Okay. Why did someone in chat just type woman moment? Yet another woman moment classic the Is All right. Hey, we're halfway through this episode doing great. Hey So Now we need to stop and we'll continue part two next week Hey, there's a meaningful moment where mel is looking at like a little Little smaller version of the city and it's like it's like representative of her position over it as like she's kind of like the most influential person in piltover In reality because she kind of has influence over jace who is currently probably the most influential in terms of changing things Is is it's meaningful? Okay Um But yeah, uh, she encourages jace to absolutely go ahead first with Making new things and revealing them to the city and stuff because She seems to have pressures that relate to that Who knows but now that means we've got heimerdinger and mel are a representative of two different sort of teams here And influences um So we then have a pretty important jinx scene And we see her lair which is uh Pretty chaotic Very leery you can spot the um, there's some monkey drawings And as they scan around We see this shot, which holy shit. I was impressed when I saw this for the first time I was like, oh fuck. We're doing this. Okay like Damn, um, so this is kind of what I was referring to what I said I think they gave myla a particular look it's so he could look really fucking creepy when he's all dark Um, I haven't even seen it, but it reminds me of the imagery I've seen in death note with the the creature that hangs around And so this is like this I just I love this shit because like they didn't have to tell me anything I'm just like, oh man. This is weighing on a huge. He literally is like fucking stalking it Thank fucking christ. They didn't make him say anything. Oh, yeah. He's just there lied to me Um But yeah, uh, she's basically spending the scene panicking, uh Talking to herself about she's responding to questions that we don't even hear About how she's fucked up and what silco thinks now You remember in episodes one two and three she has serious insecurities that relate to her abilities Um And people thinking that she's weak or useless or not efficient for the job So now she's very paranoid that uh silco thinks that she's kind of useless especially since he's put her on the bench Yeah And we get a flash of this she's literally got dolls of both milo and clagga Um Nice fucking creepy versions of them Just that's to remind herself that she's doing fine and that she's mentally stable. Yes I think this I don't know how much it's worth going into this But I think the presence of this lair being how it is can tell you a bit of something about how silco is as a parent as well Yeah, she's absolutely her brain is just chaotic. It's uh And he seems to have almost encouraged it Like either encouraged it or just enabled it one of the two Just let her have a space where she can just stew like this Yeah And so Go ahead I was gonna say is it worth talking about her like mental health issues a little bit because now we're starting to Really get into it where we're seeing like the Manifestations of it. Um, I don't know Since we're gonna be getting a lot of scenes of this. I don't know if you want to Save it until you have more things to be able to reference. We we're only just starting obviously with with Yeah, I feel like it's too early to be doing that right now. Yeah Once we have a few more things with milo, we can see what milo represents like a little Dude the individual frames are fantastic for just yeah, what do you think she's thinking about some of these? Um And yeah, like all of them are like her drawings that we saw and she was a kid And so anyway, yeah, she's like I'm not fucking weak and then she thinks hey We got progress day coming up. Um, in fact, that's literally today, right? That's a pretty big opportunity to be able to do something Um, especially with So I it's another criticism. I spotted in the disco and like said, I just try to shut up Like, you know, it's fine. I think whatever you want. I'm a man than me Someone said Man, is it fucking convenient? There was something for her to steal What? There's always something for you to steal So first of all, yeah, that's correct. There is always something to fucking steal in the piltover science department Like come on like did you did you forget to make the actual like like the first argument and go straight to the straw man like No, that's what I they were they were literally like What timing that she was able to break in and steal like something that's so valuable And it's like it's not only is it the the main science area But it's progress day a day apparently in which they typically reveal innovations to the to the people How convenient that it's progress day today How convenient there's a ton of shit to steal already But um just feels like just being mad that the show happened That kind of feels that way because boy, oh when we were discussing episode three It's all like how dare vi be alive Yeah, then we cut to victor who is coughing up a storm He's revealed to have plot cough happy progress. Oh, he just so happens to cough on yeah progress His ailment is progressing to So he's got some weird magic disease that makes his leg stop working and gives him a cough. Okay, I buy it I buy it Kind of Oh, it's a great shot and I'm definitely gonna highlight it But yeah, jace even offers for him to go up with him, but victor makes it clear like this Just not his element. This is not something he wants to do He doesn't this is not the part of the science. He enjoys at all while jace is downright excellent at it A great little comparison And some girl walks past and gives jace a victor a smile. Who the fuck's this lady? I don't know Maybe we'll see more of it. I don't convenient that she exists Yeah Wow, is she is she like a major character in the lore? Oh, she just happens to be cute looking And her her parents just happened to have met and they happened to have had a A girl child and she happened to have been there. Oh child. Yeah. Oh, it just it is had convenience What is this sjw garbage? um Yeah, here it is Fucking legendary shot. Okay, and I will hear nothing else But boom out See it Man of progress progress Hit on the nose Oh, I love it I can't he see it jace being fucking He's like he's like he's definitely a nice guy. It was just like It sucks to watch the other significant element just be so sidelined Yeah, there's just not there's not a huge amount jace can do about it because that's like victor's preference But it's gonna play into a lot of other things that end up happening um Yeah, you don't get the impression that jace is some dick villain who's pushing his partner away and taking over everything This is just how their personalities play out. Oh, I'd say it's just several elements like lining up It is that victor doesn't really want to do it and jace is more equipped to do it But also it's just that generally like getting a face to attach to all of this This just happens like not to mention Kind of looks like shit and he kind of realizes it and I think he just wants to be seen that way jace is like a very good poster boy for uh, For like the progress much more so than victor even though both of them are like equally responsible for the creation of the technology It's all like it's rise. Right. It's not like jace is some arrogant prick or anything Also, not everyone wants attention No, not everybody does. Yeah, well, that's what i'm saying Like I think as with a lot of really awesome conflict it can come from a very Normal neutral and downright like totally chill place But as events go forward it can influence other things happening that have much more dire consequences Uh And I just I just want to apply flag planted because what? Yes. Oh, sorry. I was I was just gonna say the interesting You know conflict in this scene is hmm is jace gonna What's he gonna say in this speech? What is is he gonna reveal the stuff he's been working on? That's he's going to hide working his warnings to not reveal anything And the decision that he makes is to heed hybrid dingers Were uh warning you even have a victor is like very excited to reveal it as well He makes that decision against the wishes of jace Not jace and mel because mel also wants him to reveal your technologies too, but he listens to heimerdinger I wonder if we'll keep listening to heimerdinger. How conflicted he is over it is something Yeah, he really does go back and forth a good deal He's not entirely sure how to approach all this crazy progress And he's looking at He's just I was just quick today. He's got his set notes and then he's got notes. He's recently written I'm not sure if we find out which was which but the idea being of course that the two powers he can take So if you take jace and victor right victor is the one who doesn't want the spotlight and he doesn't want the attention But he wants to go ahead with the projects that the crowd would like In jace is the person who's getting the spotlight and all the attention and ultimately He's the person who decides Against giving the crowd that he's talking to what it is that they would want most That's a lot of pressure for one young guy who's just figured everything out That that is an important thing to highlight though It's what the crowd wants and he doesn't give it to them because he heeds the words of the scientist Yeah That we're at a point as well We've got so heimerdinger is desperately trying to prevent the unfat and unrestricted Progress that can lead to the the worries he has about like all out war or destruction Mal is all about putting pilt over on the map. She wants it to progress faster so that it can be seen as a greater power and influence Uh, jace well victor is whole goal has been about helping people and he thinks that this will not only inspire But it'll be a great thing to announce because it's on its way to Helping people's lives out and stuff and then jace is basically sharing that alongside I think he definitely enjoys being a showman to some extent Um, yeah, so it's his big life's work. It finally took off. Of course. He's excited And then you've got like the audience as a character as well just like influencing all this just like man We've got so many dynamics set up nice good stuff. Yeah, and it's also worth noting too. Sorry. I didn't mean to interrupt It was also worth noting too. He did Victor um, he doesn't he he didn't look good from the beginning So when primer dingers like yeah, you've got about 10 years to safety check this stuff And it'll be all good and i'm just looking right at victor and i'm like He doesn't have 10 years does he not one bit like he has progressed very poorly in this case So now victor has got to have like he's gonna want to see the progress before he goes Yeah, and his specific motivation is to save lives and make lives better And he wants to be there to witness it. Absolutely. Yeah But hymending is thinking in terms of like centuries not years like just a couple years Is that a very important line of victors? Do you think that do you think my life's ambition was to be an assistant? which i That's not necessarily Glory handling but he does like he really wants to accomplish something with his time even if it's limited So yeah, like there's a really good scene regarding that that we'll get a little bit He doesn't want to be in hymer dingers adorable little shadow Well, it's I think it's I think uh at the core of it. It's the idea of I want to be the person I don't want to just push So that someone else create like makes the big leap, right? I want to be the person who does that You know kind of like the uh So much like that thing of like, you know, you don't you are the uber mensch you you Have the steps you'll like one of the steps and creating them that he wants to be there. Yeah I find that kind of interesting though because it's a sort of subconscious ego thing there because you know The dynamic we have here is jace is the one who has a bit more of an ego about him and victor Doesn't really give a shit about that sort of thing But like it's made clear through that line and through some subsequent scenes and the fact that yeah He does want to be a part of it and he wants to make things happen. There is something of an ego about this He does want to be involved in the process of making like of making things happen Even if he doesn't particularly care for the crowd policing that comes with it That's just uh, that's just good writing when you've got like the more overt uh Goal in mind that's more altruistic But then there's like the thing that's belying it which is a little more Oriented around you and I guess self-fulfillment Okay, um I'll be quick. I quite like their choice because I think it's deliberate. So pretty much think everything's deliberate in this show um Victor reacts with shock Mel is like almost confused What I really like is that you don't jace doesn't get to have heimerdinger Be like yay Heimerdinger is like goes from angry to sort of settled Because I think that he is a character is like he almost thinks it's unfathomable to make the wrong decision You making the right decision from his pov doesn't it's not like a reward for you. It's more. So just good That's the thing you should have done You know like it's it's very strict and I just I just enjoy that. That's how they portray Um him understanding that choice from jace Yeah, I was just going to say that uh the first time I watched this episode I was massively confused about why he didn't reveal the hextech gemstones I just went back to check to make sure Uh, this is right, but heimerdinger kind of contradicts himself in a way or at the very least it's easy to misunderstand So in the first scene with heimerdinger, he's like basically tells she has to reveal something and then in the next scene tells him not to Um, I do think Uh So hymen do you think that if jace was going to reveal a button that if you press it? Everyone on the world dies that heimerdinger would be like that's a great thing to reveal I mean So let's just end the charade and get it over with Okay, is there is there anything else like to reveal? I don't know it just so the whole the whole point is If if it is the if it is the case that heimerdinger said don't do this right and there's an unambiguous message Then why would it still be there on the forge? Why would he still be contemplating revealing it? Because when he's up on stage It's jace's choice. Yeah Yeah Heimerdinger is telling him not to though, but like whether or not jace does is up to him. That's the that's like of course it is Well, okay, but isn't it seen as a massive like letdown that nothing is revealed on i mean that seems to be established I was actually gonna show on that what I like about jace's showmanship is that it is a letdown for a moment But then he does he realizes that and so he does a little rousing speech And then the fireworks launch and the crowd are pretty happy But that's why it's a meaningful choice picks up his momentum Yeah But that is why it's a meaningful choice because it's like the the thing that will make people like you more Is to reveal some crazy shit and he decides not to Like he loses in a certain sense for that but then he recovers. Yeah But I still a good showman. I want I guess i'm confused like what is inconsistent there about heimerdinger Well, I mean the inconsistency is the information that's delivered to the audience Like heimerdinger says to reveal something and the only thing that we are told about That even exists is the hextech gemstones and heimerdinger says not to reveal it, right? Okay, hold on Okay I was just gonna like sort of go through the chain of logic So like if heimerdinger says not to Then the reasonable thing would be like, okay, well then reveal something else And if we're taking heimerdinger's word as gospel like, okay We're gonna let heimerdinger do the thing that he he wouldn't prep the entire display, right? And if he values if again The only thing jace values in the show is not just heimerdinger. There's lots of other people as well and this From what I can tell this lets down every single person except for heimerdinger Every single other person in the show seems to want this to be revealed It's clearly beyond that, right? Like it's not about heimerdinger. It's that jace believes he's right in this moment Sure, but then I mean it you would think something else might get revealed. I don't know. It seems a bit odd That was gonna be their review was that The new like technology equipment that they had developed and heimerdinger said like, well, no not that or like the gemstone It's like, well, not yet. It's not that already. Yeah, you got to The gemstones applications are all unrefined So wait until they are to announce them as heimerdinger's point as far as I can tell Well, and it's it's I mean, I guess we might be jumping a little bit ahead But like an important thing for heimerdinger in general is that he's a lot more Restrained because he's thinking long term and he has experience But if that's the case then why would he say people love a grand reveal go get something to hype everybody up I mean, that's because that's just true. Why why? I don't understand. It's like he's saying they have something to reveal to reveal it It's like, yeah, but that doesn't qualify with heimerdinger This isn't ready to be revealed Yeah, like heimerdinger wants them to reveal something sure But if it means revealing something that could be damaging or misleading then no don't reveal something Isn't there a way to reveal this technology that isn't like we're going to deploy this tomorrow? Well, so All that he needed to do it Like if he could have been like look the gemstone And then the crowd like would be way like what does it do? and it's like well You we we will see instead. He just does a speech about the progress that's to come the innovations are on the way Could have been a way for jace to I mean maybe I think there could have been a way for jace to say we have essentially discovered a brand new our source of a kind that is going to What he he said a version of what he said But was more specific because he doesn't mention specifically the the stones He just talks about working on these great things. It'll blow your friggin minds. It's going to be amazing It's not ready yet, but it doesn't actually deliver any He doesn't deliver any functional information. That's why people are so let down It's like, yeah, we're working and stuff happening. Watch the scene. They're not let down They're very happy and I think it represents the almost like that's how showmanship works They're all clapping. They're all really happy and all these told them his stuff is on the way It's like uh, it's like having watched book of boba fat I think it's important to remember this isn't a science conference Yeah, this is like showing off the new cool ship. This is not scientists presenting things to help the scientists Yeah I mean you'll go to a game conference and like they'll be like, oh elder scroll six coming 20 27 or whatever like It doesn't have to be tomorrow Well, so I think it's worth if you if you come out like we are working on this specific thing and it does these things But we're not going to show it to you yet The seed has been planted like a very specific seed has been planted and you might not be ready to do that yet Like if you if you create a lot of trust and jace Like they do have a lot on his desert. Yeah, and him telling those stuff is on the way. I'm sure that's good enough Well, I think it's it's much safer from jace's perspective to say stuff is on the way rather than this is specifically what we're making But i'm not showing you yet. I feel like let's do that I feel like we all have personal experience with that, right? Well, yeah, if you say it's coming, but i'm not going to show you yet like That's the kind of thing that gets people like we're now really want to see it This is what I mean I really feel like it makes a lot of sense Especially considering he was almost going to show and explain all of it that he decided as a snap decision I'm not going to mention even the gemstone because it just leads down to explaining more and more and it's just not we're not ready Um, but obviously he acknowledges the fact that this costs him as well. He sees mel and her assistant leave But not to mention I don't think um, I don't think heimerdinger said that he had to reveal something He just thought it would be interesting if he had something well like in works Fun enough, I'm pretty sure it was a writing tool We need to get heimerdinger to be introduced to the the technology and so he was like it's good to reveal stuff It's like actually we have stuff to reveal. Let me show you today and we get that It's good. Yeah, it's good to reveal, but you don't have to reveal is and I think what you're talking about I think heimerdinger's willingness to let jace do the speech instead of himself Is his willingness to part with tradition here and there so it's Uh, it seems to land on the level of trust in jace Okay, so what what is what is the cost of revealing it? Let's say that he went through with it. He opens the curtains. He says the gemstone What is the cost the gemstone the gemstone? So just revealing the gemstone Uh depends on how you reveal it and what you say which may be On the moment It's totally invites invites inspection. It's just like so. What does it do? What does it power something that what have you worked on anything? It's just like, uh Instead you can just talk about innovations are on the way Who can question that? I mean, it's doesn't the same doesn't the same criticism apply there I mean like it invites questions. Oh, we're working on stuff. What are you working on? It's literally there. It's a piece of technology and the fact that you're promoting it. It's like, so what does it do then? Yeah, it's like an actual thing. It's an invention. It's not just a vague appeal to progress Which is what this day Yeah Maybe if he had like a week's worth of time to prepare a speech on We want to tease or reveal this new power source But we don't have any working applications. He probably could have Done that but I think because it was so quick Okay, what it feels like to me is here's like basically the choice, right? So heimerdinger is basically saying we can't deploy this technology in the field right now because it's not ready We need more time to develop it that doesn't even imply that it shouldn't be revealed It just means that it shouldn't be deployed necessarily and then it's like well What rocker space you have is like the best launch day for something like this I would also argue. I think heimerdinger is thinking steps ahead It's like if you reveal something like this the fucking public are going to demand that it be released This is just more pressure in general a timeline. Yeah, and what is the rest of the world? Once they reveal it as a possibility Like we can do this like oh, shit I've always thought about how you know like no man's sky is apparently like really good now It just makes me wonder like if if if we lived in a world where That the vision of the game that exists right now if it released on that day I wonder what the legacy of no man's sky would be um That's an interesting point But because it was announced because it was promoted the public push hardcore as I believe is perfectly reasonable to do And uh, it was forced out and it's it's one of the biggest disasters in the game. It releases ever Yeah, I mean it's like a season They go silent people get fucking antsy. It's happening with a low night silk song. It's happening with bayonetta 3 Like people just I mean I feel like the best example of this is if they had announced cyberpunk 2077 in 2020 instead of 2013 people would have reacted differently to that game when it came out Yeah, like when you when you announce something definitely informs people's perceptions of it because if it takes too long to come out People are gonna have lots of questions and if you're not ready to control the narrative Then it's better to not say anything at all someone just said lull walk the public forced it out no man's sky had a release date Okay, so it was the public the publisher forced it out think more creatively when you have Deadlines it's because there's expectations everywhere not just with the publisher or stockholders, but also the public Well, again cyberpunk 2077 that shit wasn't done But part of the reason why they released it was well, we've delayed it four times We announced this game like eight years ago. It needs to come out and it's like well, you don't have those problems Yeah, exactly and and then there were pressures because City project renders a publicly traded company and their stock went down after the game came out and it was a disaster Like their stock had gone really high because of rampant speculation Speculation just leads to turbulence Like you don't you want to control the narrative and like if you just announce immediately We're working on this gemstone I'm not going to tell you what it does that feels like the worst decision you could have made You'd better off to tell people what it does like at that point You might as well commit fully and and then if you do that there's going to be tons of problems with People wanting that tech to come out very soon and wanting to potentially weaponize it Yeah, and potentially it was right work. Yeah, it might even influence its development and shit It's weird And yeah, this is it's a timeline of a decade like Yeah, um, there's this crazy Tug of war as well because it's like The game's not finished. It needs more time. There will be the delays It's like if you if you rank up to like a fourth delay The fucking pr gets horrendous like Even if it's necessary and even if the game is a miracle when it finally comes out people just get so fucking restless Okay, but I mean if we're if we're applying this to the real world situation I mean like large games are virtually always announced Like years before you can even see gameplay footage. That's actually when nintendo and but that's that's that feels like uh You know you look at something like nintendo often announces games like within a year that they come out They have exceptions though The look at people people are getting antsy about breath of the wild too now I know got announced three years ago. I would also argue I'm bad at a three years Meaning one to four. Let's say very different from ten Prime four It's like, okay. I'm going to show you this gemstone. You're not going to see anything as a result of it for 10 years I mean, okay, we're we're we're focusing on one side of the equation Which is like, okay, if you announce a game and then it gets delays. It's a problem It's also a problem if you don't announce games Like um, then you then you then people don't have something to look forward to they feel plenty to be Marvelling over and built over that's kind of the point. He's one of the most popular people right now Yeah It's kind of hard to equivocate life changing technology with a video game Dark souls changed lives Well, but I I guess the thing is You think about like, um, like grant theft under six rock star recently announced that it's happening And we all kind of knew it was gonna happen But if they had said that we were working on it in 2015 I think that there would be a much different perception of that game than Officially saying now. Yeah, we're working on it. Like there's enough wiggle room in terms of people's speculation there As opposed to we're working on it right now. And this is what we're doing But I'm not going to tell you anything about it It's funny to think about too because once upon a time I would announce The project had released a expectation that I dropped say the release day expectation That I've dropped the name of the project to until it comes out It's just like the expectations that get set are so frustrated to deal with so it's Better to surprise people I guess I just don't understand the criticism here. Like I feel like an old function's fine Well, I would even go as far as saying we don't even need as long as we can understand why jace would have made the choice Especially when he's under pressure He's literally staring at all the people who want him to do one or the other and then he almost brashly decides I'm just gonna not talk about any of it and appeal to vagaries. It's just like, yeah That's totally in line. I think with the choice he can make here Yeah, and how can you calculate a particularly strong, you know middle ground while you're sitting right there at the podium in seconds matter Yeah, you don't that this didn't have to happen. Like he already had That's how it went. Look this Okay That's not arbitrary. I'm saying that up to this scene. He's literally thinking he's he's juggling everyone's perspectives in his head Like there's a reason for that It's that he's asked them all what they think and they've all told him and he's got literally hymerdinger glaring at him from the front row Well, he's got all of the because it's it's hymerdinger and it's mel and it's also victor as well because victor wants like It's it's tough because it's like you're balancing basically a more principled approach versus Just the pragmatic people are gonna like you a lot more if you reveal something cool and awesome And it's down to the wire as well It's like it was this is the day that he has to make the decision and even if you have time Like you still got to make the decision here and he was clearly torn on it because he had the two speeches A lot of subtle stuff to indicate that but then also like the overt stuff to indicate that he's conflicted Jase is an incredibly important character and a lot of his decisions are based on what everyone's influencing him to do I feel like that's almost at the core of his story is juggling all of the Interest that people have in him and what he's doing With uh his fundamental principles like why he's doing the science God are they still talking about this? I love how chat was like you guys aren't disagreeing at all. You're just eating praise on the show And as soon as I say something negative You just don't like your conversation like Color sells e-sad every second of discussion So, um, we got to Caitlyn hanging out outside Some of the main people to over buildings and she's getting a little bit of ridicule I think she corrects one of them on something they're talking about and then they're like You're you're high class. Fuck you She spots a fire and they'll run over to it And there's a little girl voice saying help me. I think it's it's like almost bizarre what the the voice says It's like I started a fire and I'm stuck in here help Yeah, it works its way toward it. It starts with like, oh, it's so hot I can't see and then like as they as it keeps going eventually it just gets weirder and weirder Oh, I started a fire all by myself on purpose. Yeah And then detonates blows them all up Um, I know that this is definitely one where people point out does Caitlyn have some severe plot armor here It's hard to tell so the explosions go off Right next to the guys who are all in the building. She is um at a different point, right? Or she's not in the building She's like outside outside. I feel like she's further back. Um, I can't I'm obviously playing the scene now So I will note it, but uh, were there any bombs right next to here. I can't remember. Um Because she's with two other people Um, but yes, uh, just for anybody who's like wait, what's happening though it's like so jinx has set a big trap for enforcers and She'd be exploding them because they're getting them out of the way to then get into the building and Take whatever the science people. Oh, okay. That's that's yeah, that's a pretty big explosion Not to mention. I think she was kind of in the middle of everyone These are choices I never quite understand right She got knocked out but everyone else with her was killed and there were people further back from her than she was Well, just specifically i'm not even appealing to like all those logistics just this shot that they do So I think she's outside the building but the building blows up and so it comes through the wall um unlike this is Look at that. It's just like oh Yeah, sometimes like it looks Great as an action scene. I guess but like it's just I wonder about stuff like this like man. This is looks this looks like she's dead Yeah, this is bad. Yeah, I think plot armor saved her in this case. It looks like the other two were vaporized vaporized Oh The other two enforcers will return in arcane episode oh people are saying that's not her. Yeah, that's not kato That's uh Something that I think isn't visually communicated to well. She doesn't go in Well, because I thought this was outside anyway Because yeah, like we get that is really not great for Visual language. You see her look looking like she's gonna back up. Well, that's still bad Look at that shot Wait, no, if it's not her then this is just really weird editing Yeah, because like I think I think it really follows for you as a viewer to assume Do you see her like this right and look at this shot by the way? Yeah, like that's pretty bad But then to cut from that to this I really feel like you're supposed to assume that's her but uh, right I think yeah Yeah, you really are That looks like her. I I don't know about this. Well out of curiosity. How do we know it's not her? What was the A hair looks shorter the hair in the person there looks shorter. Okay long hair She actually like Caitlyn has the kind of hair that you shouldn't confuse it with other people's hair often No Um, yeah, and she rolls out. Um, I'm more than willing to concede this plot armor here I like it's unclear exactly how much it's just that it does seem like She's the main character out of all the enforcers and she's the one that doesn't die because it's like Yeah, of course not. Okay. Uh, I can I can I can confirm it is not her but the that means the editing is like real scuffed Yeah, it's just hard to tell what the fuck's happening I suppose if you go best faith then we're supposed to assume that she really just was in a in the vicinity enough to Cause what we saw happened to her um So, you know, it's not I guess it's not as bad as it could be. Um, if that's definitely not here Yeah, it doesn't necessarily have to be plot armor, but I think that's really That that's I think it's poorly communicated so far. Yeah, I would agree But just rat Yeah, because they they're really good with that in the show for the most part, but um, all right, so if you Yeah, if you go back, just responding to chat if you go back There's another shot with like the same three people inside and it's clearly not Caitlyn And then like the other shot with the explosion is the same three people in the same like spot So it's pretty clear that it's not her. Okay. So this is another reason why it's confusing She's standing in front of the the image that jinx has made And there's clearly someone Oh, yeah, and then and then you come back to these three more people behind her when the explosion goes off Well, so this is why it's confusing the explosion happens And then we show that image that Caitlyn was right next to Is like Exploding and then the next thing we see is this Which makes me think that that's what's happening there, but it's like it's not question mark. Okay It's very weird position is very consistent with this shot. So it has to be her Wait judging from the hair it isn't wait. Oh my god. What is this editing? What is going on here? Because you see what I mean It's like she's standing in front of this thing and then they show this thing blowing up Which means this should be here in front of it and then they cut to But they cut. Yeah. No, this is this is real scuffed So it's not her but the editing is very bad No, I think it's no, no, no, no, I think it's her and she plot armor just say but look at that hair I'm very I'm very moved by the hair argument Yeah, it Yeah, but her hair could no no her hair could be forward in her face right now because she's got launched back I don't think it would look that way And I doubt that all of it has moved from what would be at the back to the two sides And then look that short. I genuinely think this is not her. Um, it's just really weird editing I'm curious. I I thought it was her. I didn't even realize this until now. I thought it was her. Did you guys think it was her? I thought it was her until I looked at it again It's it's totally her So you're still doing this here I'm convinced I would say I'm 85% sure it's not her, but we uh, I don't know who else I don't know I don't know my work position. She was she was center stage There were two people side by side her And then when the explosion happened the two people are still there they get vaporized and she doesn't Well, there's two different groups of people. There's the three people inside and there's the three people outside All standing in the exact same formation and this Wait, wait, wait, I thought six people got killed right so there were three people inside and three people outside And katelyn was one of the people outside Yeah, that no, no, no, it's it's definitely not her. It's absolutely not her. It's definitely not her That's them on the inside and that's her with the short hair. Yeah, it's not her. It's not her Yeah, it's it's definitely not her, but it's everything is very bad Just amused about how hard it is to figure this out. Yeah Wow, I feel like that's well the thing if it is like The the reason we're on this so much is because we really do need to establish whether or not plot armor To save her ass For anybody who's curious why we're spending so much time is like do we have an egregious use of plot armor or not? It's hard to tell I feel like part of the scene is absolutely fucked Yeah It's just yes the editing man. I don't know what they're telling me Uh Yeah, it's like where then where the thing of it is even if it was scuffed editing She seemed awfully close to it anyway. It's no plot armor no matter how you Yeah, I'm pretty sure it is That well is that one shot that I think really uh Because we know it's her at least in one of the shots And she was up front putting the fires out. So yeah Scuffed editing or not. I think she's been saved Yeah, there you go. There's definitely some plot armor. This is all we need. This is the frame to prove that this plot armor, right? Yeah Face She moved back but not that far Somebody was saying she moved back. She's like nah, she only took a couple steps She was in she was in front of other people. Maybe she's a Targaryen. They died and she didn't She's immune to explosives Um Dragon bombs. I'm immune to dragon bombs. I grew up around dragon bombs. Oh my goodness Yeah, uh, it'd be one thing if she like ran and then everybody else didn't but yeah Yeah, you need to show her backing up a lot more. I would say and then you'd be right. Uh, I would agree She spots jinx going in but then can't quite stay conscious Hey, what if the other enforcers tell her to stay back because they don't respect her and she tries to come in That that would work you do that get the fuck out of the way care Um And yeah, so jinx fucked around in the big science room. She took gemstone as well as a bunch of blueprints and notes uh So then the council decides that zorn could use the gemstone for weaponry and jay says that he's to blame Um, and that they should suspend everything to do with hextech uh And it's becomes very clear That uh, there's there's a viewpoint on all of this has changed and I Really love the uh, the difference in responses he gets from the council when he suggests that you have, um The piltover status as a global shipping lane depends on the hextech So it's like an appeal to piltover's current status obviously the second one is from the the guy with the fucking Actually, we should have wedged that by now, but I will so It's been seven fucking years and he is still trying to solve He's still fiddling with it I forgot that detail the passage of time and he's still playing with a kid's toy. That's great. I love it Um, someone said plot armor is a plot convenience. Not a plot hole. It can actually be either it depends I guess she's still a she's still a person I was like, um If uh, if a soldier misses like 20 shots in a row, you know, that could happen Yeah, it's possible. It's convenient But if you are shot through the fucking heart and then someone goes, okay, here's drink this and it's like It's chicken soup And I'll feel I I was making a fucking joke and I realized that happens in game of thrones Arya is stabbed several times in the in the stomach and she has chicken soup and it solves it Is that genuinely what happens in the story? It's so fucking stupid I don't know that it there's like a one-to-one correlation with like the soup is what fixed it, but that is the order of events Yeah, I think I like you want to clarify. It's not necessarily that the soup fixed the wound Okay, let's be a little provided valuable hydration The soup the soup could have been around while magical healing was happening unrelated to the soup But I I just think that illustrates the difference like It's a hole that the several steps to his stomach did nothing at all But it's not a hole that they shoot and miss you. It's just really convenient um But anyway, so his pov is that um My goods can't reach foreign markets till next winter if uh, if you get rid of the hextech, right? So you got piled over status his own money like an interest and then heimerdinger says you would sacrifice your life's work Like that everyone else is thinking about how it affects them but heimerdinger is just blown away by uh, Jayce's willingness immediately to put his own Reputed well everything that he's achieved on halt Yep, which is um Kind of feels like echoing this Danwick pedidly thing Yeah, it's a big thing he's doing and uh, it's still a funny name He's pulling up pedidly is what they call it in universe Jayce is saying to shut down the hex gates, right? That's like one of the implications of this all of the tack everything Yeah, so I so I was so why why shut down the hex gates? Why is that necessary? I think you My assumption is just that his manipulation can happen now Relation to all hex tech stuff because the enemy can study it So you've got to be careful until we figure out what they know and how they can do anything So like For the next video this thing can leave the city There is that as a concern too But I mean, I guess it would be the the clear thing would be if you have the crystal and you have the notes Might you know how to sabotage these? Yeah, there's just a lot of risks now because we're exposed like we haven't been before Yeah, reduce the variables by uh by shutting everything down Until they can get it back In chat someone said because the under city now is the means to Mess with it. I mean, they don't know that it's the under city. They don't really know anything They don't know that That's why they want to be safe about it because they could too and it could be anybody Yeah, it's fair to say they don't know it's the under city, but that's what they assume It's a safe assumption. I think Given I suppose it doesn't It doesn't even really matter who stole it, right? Like it's Yeah, I mean if it's ambiguous who stole it. I think it's more credible to shut them down I think if they know it's the under city, then why would they shut them down the under city doesn't need hex gates Like it would make more sense to shut down the hex gates if you're worried about Whoa, whoa, we just went over how silco is desperate to get at those hex gates. That's like the scene we just Do Further behind thanks to the hex gates and he's also Able to get trade through them, which they must have some level of awareness of that the under city has At least some connections to different people with different trades that involve with it The idea that the Piltover council think that zorn has no interest in the hex gates. It's absurd. I'm sorry. I completely disagree No, it's not I'm saying that if you thought the if you thought the threat was from someone far away There's more of a reason to shut down the hex gates than for the under city I didn't say there's no reason I think because then you would you would be shutting off a Transportation method for them to be able to come and mess with you if you think that like there was a noxious spy or something That came in like bomb the city I mean like this like there's a one-to-one analogy, okay? If you think there's a terrorist attack with airplanes, then you know for coming from a long way away It makes a lot of sense to restrict air travel, right? But if you're getting a terrorist attack domestically shutting down airplanes doesn't make as much sense It's What's been stolen is the is the secrets behind the technology that makes the hex gates function Yeah, I feel like we we just need to go more fundamental. This is like a this is like a base technology It's not just the hex gates. It's like several other bits of technology as well I think you're starting from a fundamental that they've got access to that they can do And plus we already know that there is the concern of weaponizing Um, she's stolen as well Uh, she's stolen the blueprints for the hex core, which is significant. Yes That's huge I think it doesn't matter where it came from. It's been stolen and the fact that you don't know who did it That have a suspect like it. I I think that's whether you know or not you would shut everything down Like I don't I don't know that makes a difference Or that that will be a concern that you would have They have their own stable reverse engineer. They can stop fucking with your hex gates. Yeah Base technology no base technology go ahead having like Practically like unlimited power with all kinds of applications in itself So like why wouldn't you freak out and of course like this is the the brand new technology? This is the new version of it even more powerful Yeah Well, you have a finite supply of these things too. Yeah You know, you don't want this thing leaving Yeah, you didn't even want to announce it and it's out there in the world Yeah Yeah, if the hex gates stay on this thing could fly off to fucking eye over the air or some shit and it's just gone No, you'd never be able to find it. Oh wait So you mean you mean you shut down the hex gates to stop people from getting the gemstone somewhere else You shot down one of the reasons why If you're gonna I feel you're gonna say like they can still get it outside of the city It's like, yeah, but that cripples their ability to go do it fast. No, that makes sense Um, I love this shot Yeah Look at him a thing of the just staring at the the wreckage especially on progress days like the little fair too Yeah But yeah, so as an alternative mel suggests that jay become accounts jay, sorry Hey Jays become a counselor and uh, that would enable him to have the authority and positioning to to shore up security for the hexisms And uh, the council's very split on this and then heimerdinger is actually the one that says it's Makes the most sense for scientists to be in charge of hex tech security, which That is definitely me planting a flag because thus Heimerdinger is arguably the reason that jays gets this position Isn't heimerdinger a scientist too? Yes, but he's not familiar really with hextech Well, sure, but like his point would stand that yeah, you know, he's he's correct Heimerdinger is it's correct that it's a good idea to have jays be in charge of hextech security He just needs the authority often correct. Okay. When you said red flag. I thought maybe that was No, no, no, I didn't say red flag the planting a flag. Oh, man. He got him on there Jays wouldn't be a counselor or not for heimerdinger. Yeah, that's all I'm saying Um Then we have Yay What was that? What was that? Yeah, what are you complaining about? I'm not complaining about anything. I don't remember what bit's next Right. Well, it's hard for me not to because I just don't know however it feels It's just that uh, I very much enjoyed any of the jinx scenes. So uh, yeah, we got another one coming up She's listening to The fucking jinx song Like it's listening to a theme song for people who are familiar with just the game's releases for cinematics and stuff That was just like wow There it is by the way Fortesh productions did the music video for that song And if you watch it before and after this show Different vibes Yeah, so anyway, she's Having herself a fucking jam out whilst uh, and this is the thing not wasting time Look at what they show with the very quick flashes of what she's up to Uh, obviously the gramophone her her area, but then We've got a first shot of her is just sparking up something. She's making shit Which is obviously in line with she's a fucking gadgetron expert What she hold in here the butterfly What we saw earlier just Just holding the butterfly neat And uh silco arrives in the background shouting at her, but she's too busy. She's having fun and look at that looking at a blueprint She's already working away basically on stuff to do with with hextech very worrying Was she referred to as jinx before now in the episode? I don't know That thought just occurred to me I think I think uh silco called her jinx That I thought uh, I was talking to each other before I think she probably yeah, he probably did I don't know So vika's mentioned called her jinx, didn't she? Yeah I can't remember my memory is saying that they always just used pronouns like she uh, you know Um, wait, don't they don't they say uh in the in the river scene? Or I don't I guess we can't I don't they refer to her as powder at some point in the future I think silco suggest that you need to get rid of powder. I can't remember if um, he says the name specifically Well, I I would be surprised if silco ever called her powder that just that I don't think he would No, I think that's pretty fundamental actually that he wouldn't call her that Yeah, and it it's clear why like later Yeah, yeah Um, but yeah, he's outraged and I fucking love her expressions again in this He's basically like you've attacked pilt over you've blown up some shit and you've stolen from them We are in serious fucking trouble Meanwhile Herpov is Oh, you you have no idea how fucking good news I have for you Like so she's just watching him summarize all the horrible things she's done And just gradually as he's saying it be like, yeah, I know it's great, isn't it? I just like slightly not fucking love it. Yeah And um, yeah, she's like laughing as he explains what she's done as if as though she's kind of forgotten She's like, oh, yeah. Yeah, like Because yeah, her mindset in relation to all this violence is just that it's pretty fun Uh, she's a very damaged person You should get a tattoo to demonstrate Exactly Nice Wait, I missed that. What were you saying? We both at the same time said that she should get for your Cherokee Oh Fuck yeah. Fucking idea. What's that, man? I think he regrets it. Don't worry Yeah, and then she shows silka what she has once again Beautiful detail on the nails. Yeah Um, and how how great those old gemstones look by the way Very dirty They look like they are used for something for sure. It's not like a Just a featureless marble or nothing like that. That looks like it's got potential just looking at it Yeah, this is the look Can make it into anal beads You could do that. I'm not gonna say you're gone I mean a waste of potential. I said hextech. No, you do you right? Sextech Sextech And yeah, this is a big victory for her Because uh, she sees this as like full validation. She's pretty great. Yeah, she got him She had these fireworks And uh, yeah, she had everything ready to celebrate and she gives him a hug because she's clearly proven that She's strong and worthwhile But obviously plot wise silko has a gemstone, which is bad news Yeah Um And then I think We get into uh, jace visiting katlyn who's very injured. At least we get that But she's still on the case. Oh, yes Because she's very determined. Yeah and upright true uh The nice details that jace has brought her flowers and she like immediately throws them into a pile and wants to talk to him about the case just like uh There's so many she's got so many she's got a ton of them. Yeah And they've all got letters in them and so Immediate characterization. Look at I look here's what this character's priorities are. She didn't say a word to communicate that It's like yeah, whatever, but look case That it's like a tarot card so, you know, she the silko, but he could have just Or at least it looks like I imagine like a an inferior scene where she's just like, oh, I'm really focused on the case I'm I need to practice case is important in terms of establishing my autonomy and independence That's how many that's that's how so many shit writers would do it I don't appreciate your flowers jace for I have many flowers I have many flowers but I wouldn't it wouldn't have occurred to them to put the flowers in the scene as a device to Show that she doesn't care about them. Well, I am the daughter of a counselor and constantly You know I I wish to exact I wish to have autonomy look and this is my mechanism for doing so this case And uh, yeah, just I I really love the conflict in this scene being that He's desperately trying to fix the situation on his end Like it's such a huge security breach and meanwhile like a friend of his has been injured And her parents now don't want her to be an enforcer at best. She can be like a secretary for jace And he's like just telling her that that's the reality And she's so fucking tired from her pov to not be taken seriously by anybody and to be controlled that she doesn't want anything to Do with it Meanwhile, he's stressed the fuck out with all of this happening. So they just This like the chemistry is just off for them in this scene It's uh, yeah Like deliberately Um, because he even announces it as like a plus like hey work for me, you know, I'll be great And she's just like fuck off like I can do my own shit. This is like, oh Um How many times she off is like that in her time trying to become an enforcer. Yeah, it's just not a it's not a promotion It's a demotion. Yeah Is uh, is there like lore information about what exactly? Uh Involved like being an enforcer involves like does she have autonomy to go like investigate stuff or Like I'm assuming so based on what she does I'm assuming not because of what marcus says I was gonna say she probably needs to be sanctioned or at least approved of like You know, it's probably the standard thing of the the the officers would be given missions or details What Enforces of like vague cops Basically like of this of this world I'm kind of asking it It seems like they're more than cops. They're more like fbi agents or something. Well, that's why i'm saying like vague cops They're like more enforcement basically more cops than fbi agents Yeah, we don't really That doesn't seem to be an actual like if they're not cops, then what are the cops, right? Then we surely we would have been shown Some someone that they like go up to and it's like, hey, we'll take it from here Kind of like that the people in blue stand on the street corners, man. Like, yeah They're cops Um, I guess but I mean she she accepts the uh the position right for the utility that it has though, doesn't she? Oh, yeah. Yeah, uh, she uses it because she's a small lady Yeah, like she's basically bending sort of what she's supposed to be doing so that she can do what she needs to be doing Just gonna do a little bit of an expression appreciation here when jace is explaining his offer Which she obviously understands know what it means. Well, just all the expressions she has They even have one that's like blued because the focus is on him. It's just like they just don't care if you miss stuff like that The moment she takes the scroll thing from it. Like it's not a look of like it's not a pleasant look. It's suspicion Like when she's looking at what's the thing, um, I think this is pretty cool Is an underlying thing that seems to be happening throughout this uh season is that these two people grow apart. Um When they could have done any story they wanted But it's just a matter of they're both running completely different plot lines Um, and so when they come back it's uh, because yeah, this is the last time these two talk now for a while um Yeah, so, uh, she decides that it's worth trying to get to still water So she can interview that guy that she was able to talk to briefly. Um at the airship when she gets there the um I don't even know. Do you know what species he is thea? I don't he is a large man I I think when I was watching it with uh with fria say like this guy feels like The fake american accent that you can hear sometimes Sounds really put on but I could be wrong. I don't know who voiced it, but it's just He talks like this Everything feels extended it's something that um Gary has said to be before with the american impersonations that get on his nose when they just drag out each word Um, but yeah, I don't know. It could just be that they go and character Hey, cad bane's awesome Fuck you. I liked the bit where he shot his gun and had a hat Oh, so Anyway, she goes speak to that guy. He's been beating the fuck up And uh, he's in like the ic or whatever and then she says, oh, okay Can I speak to the person who did that to him because obviously they must have had some kind of motive? And um, it was kind of neat for me. I don't know for very well I kind of forgot about why Because I was so interested in the story that was being told that I was like, oh fuck of course I didn't forget one of our main characters. I feel like what was not even criticism It's just so many people i'm interested in that I was like, oh, yeah, of course. She exists as well um And I was I was quite happy to see her like hell. Yeah, let's get this shit started too because that's so much as we've got going on um So yeah, she was taken away to prison and she's been here since which is gonna have done stuff presumably um And katelyn and her have met Plot hole you shouldn't punch brick walls like that as a habit of a training. You will screw your wrists I mean, yeah Yeah, I can't imagine punching a brick wall is gonna be a very good thing. It's um, kind of reminds me of the The powder shooting thing as a kid. Just like yeah, all right, calm down. It's okay We get it You you can do this in so many other ways. You don't need to have a literally punching concrete apart like this just you're right I mean I had a friend who punched a brick once in a brick wall and he really regret it Like it's well, there was that video on reddit of the dude who punched the reinforced glass and his wrist Rope, yeah Because these are really hard surfaces and your body ain't as strong as you think it is It's supposed to even wear wrist support if you want to punch a punching bag like Yeah Stuff like that doesn't bother me that much by walls. Yeah, I just uh, it's not even that It doesn't bother me. It's just a little bit cringe because I'm just like, oh Have some restraints. I know you want me to think she's cool. You don't need to do it like this You don't need to work that hard Yeah, like, you know practicing our form or whatnot, you know, I don't have to be punching the wall directly. It's fine The show otherwise has been pretty good about being restrained on certain things like characters that are strong and cool Don't need to like, you know, they can still get their ass kicked, right? It doesn't have to be the most extreme Version of whatever Vi is the biggest brawler possibly in the whole show and she's the one that probably takes the most damage out of everybody She has other than people who died, obviously I just mean that she gets beaten to a pulp several times The real heroes are the ones we have to keep going on Dying is easy. It's easier So anyway, that was episode four And Yeah, we've lost half the time Uh, what what can be said about episode four? I think it reminds me a little bit of episode one and two where we're resetting again We're setting the table. Yeah, let's find my god. I like it a lot There's plenty to draw from it But it's definitely one of them ones you finish and you're like, all right When's where do we go? Let's go. When's the people killing each other? When's the part with the giant lasers? Come on Where's the glorious evolution? Where's the part with the cool cowboy shoots the other cool cowboy? Are you looking for me to move by that? I mean, yeah, I was gonna say it's in some of the best TV shows that I've seen So I don't think it's a bad idea, you know I'm gonna put on my thumbnail face for that Yes, a little bit slow, but it's fine. I agree. Um Which yeah, if there's nothing else anyone else to say we can just stop the next one because we are Next quickly like we need to take that time because we have had a huge time skip But also we're not wasting time in just resetting the scene We're also like picking up threads and working with characters and Moving them in directions to get the plot moving forward as well I think we go back and uh I was gonna say I think chow before we go back and argue about progress day for another two Just get we can do it. Don't test it. No, I'm good The funny thing today is we're only gonna get through another episode So there's still so many conversations that cannot be had but I suppose next week we'll try to do four episodes. Okay, it'll be nuts Yeah Um, yeah, by the way, this isn't just because rags will uh need to go But I would also argue that me and fringy need the time to be able to finish up boba fat. Uh, we're close Yeah, we're close. Yeah Yeah You bet I'm excited You uh, wow, I'm excited for it to be done. Yes. I Oh, dude, I'm excited for not understating that I've put uh as as fringy, of course as well a lot of effort in this one So, uh, hopefully you guys enjoy it fun little edits It's been non-stop since uh, since we recorded it, but We can't talk about that yet. We got to talk about episode five Now episode five and this isn't pointed at all But we open on a great character building scene for katelin. Yes, it's one of many a very great character building It's kind of try to bring up how pretty scenes are at this point, but this one's Like look at this fucking image. Theo. It's not trite. Look at that That's an arcane That's not real Yeah, that like that one especially was the one I was going to bring up. Holy fuck. Oh, that's gorgeous Look at those leaves look at the gun Sexy gun rags. Look at the gun I do see the gun. What a gun. You like guns. I do like guns uh Beautiful insane pretty gorgeous coom. I see it's chatter on point today Yeah, um agree. So we see targets are rising and getting shot by a younger katelin I actually think j was it you that you didn't realize you this was a flashback until I was just like she's a lot younger, but I feel like that gives it away I think it was only when Grayson shows up the j was like, oh, okay Grayson shows up spoiler I'm sorry. Yeah, Grayson's back somehow. She returned This seems bizarre to me. I I really like that bit bit there where she like readjust her like Placing a chin against the gun like for aiming they didn't need to do that, but they did I'm more curious for rags just said that this scene is bizarre. What's that about? What's going on rags? I guess the the contest of how the Yeah, so I guess you you and someone else are running through the woods And there are places where targets pop up and then you shoot the targets And then you move to a next spot or I guess more targets pop up and you're next to them and they're next to you And then you get to the end. It seems like a really odd My assumption is you're yeah, my assumption is you both released into the forest There's a track to run and the one who hits the most targets wins You know, so there's some rate of fire You you got a these things seem to be single action In the terms of their their break their break action They break open you put one in Heart martini henry style and sometimes she suits these things Damn fast or I'm wondering what what are you doing off camera to shoot this gun that fast? She's pulling the gun uh below camera and then back up again goldmine style. Oh Oh Actually, I was just looking at the colors. I don't know if all the target colors are different or If there's a red one yours are green Opponents are yellows and then there's red ones that mean both of you can shoot them I don't know if that's what that is. I think I think that's like score based like yeah, I think you have a course of your own My assumption is uh, you each have a course of your own Which are color coded and then the last one is free for all Or is it? Yeah, just it's the first person to hit the red target You can only hit the red target when you've hit all of your targets I thought that the red target was when you're not supposed to shoot originally And they were gonna do this thing where she's maybe impulsive and learns a lesson Uh, there's something along those lines because like because that happens a lot in target Yeah, it happens a lot in target practice where like in games and in stuff where there's a lot of targets to shoot But there's some you don't shoot so that doesn't mean you just shoot everything that moves instinctively Which would be good practice for an enforcer um But I but I guess it's just the targets red you shoot it also damn those back sights are wide like I said, um She's got a green armband and she's shooting the green targets I think that you have a color coded to yourself and then red was just for both of you And it's the first person to shoot it and because she realizes that uh, it wasn't that she shot it first It was the grace and gave her the win Um That look of elation she has on her face when she hits it then looks to the side and sees grace in there It turns into a little bit of a frown Yeah, because she thought she'd won because she was good. Yeah, but then That comes into the point that Grayson's making Why are you shooting? What are you shooting for? Because uh Grayson says which it's almost upsetting because she's dead already but Grayson's like I For me to miss is like it represents like inability to protect the people of this city Mm-hmm It's like I like her she's neat really cool. I like her used sparingly Yeah, um and compliment the voice actress again just so unique Um Yeah, just the scene ends with katelyn being asked Basically like why are you doing what you're doing and uh, it just plays into a lot of what we already know about here But I really like all of the flashback scenes for the the characters as children there. Um informative Um, yeah, I think she says about the winning the trophy that uh Grayson says protecting this city. That's trophy enough or something like that Yeah, this seems actually this is one that I didn't notice much on my first watch through but it's actually like Really good and important for katelyn's character Agreed and this is This is basically the moment where she wants to become an enforcer, right? Yeah, it's clearly that Grayson's inspired her quite a bit Yeah, and like it's hard to It's another case where I can't I can't give it the praise I want to because we have to mention things We can't mention but um, it fits in really well with what happens later Grayson has an impact on multiple people who are enforcer or enforcer adjacent Yeah, even penis man liked her I Am lord of the penis uh So, yeah, uh, which immediately the dialogue is just telling you everything you want to know so katelyn and via talking to each other and um Uh vise offering that she'd be able to help in some way shape or form and then she's uh, katelyn's like Why would I trust someone like you and she's like you enforcers are all the same go find him yourself Like they both have preconceptions that are pretty significant about each other's station um And yeah, I feel really interesting given who she is in the game Mm-hmm. Yeah, we can I think that's something we should save to mention until the end of the show because that's uh It's great Okay Yeah, so katelyn decides to use The position she has to authorize the release of vi under her supervision Uh, and I think is there a light it's like, um, since when was jay's a counselor. She's like today It's like oh, yes, there's something that he's like Yeah, uh like Yeah, this is using the power she has why not? um And then we have a really really really really really good scene for Keeping in mind when judging penis man um He's conducting like a funeral for all the people that have died in jinx's explosion Are we just skipping past the like interrogation scene? Uh, what do you want to mention go for it? Uh, I mean, I I feel like it's a bit convenient. I mean, I don't know if you guys feel the same way But they don't kiss on the lips. Just so we're clear. They do not kiss on the lips and let's see. Okay Chat chat has chat has been having a field day with that. Um But no, I mean I don't know it doesn't seem The fact that the fact that katelyn's able to meet vi and the fact that they cooperate the way that they do Seems a bit convenient. Why what do you mean? Why? Uh, okay, so what what motivation does katelyn have to trust her? Um, well the reason why would talk to her is because she's like the only real lead that she has What choice does she have? Yeah, I think katelyn's taken a risk Yeah, katelyn's not a risk to risk at this point No, and and vi also makes clear that katelyn will not be Effective alone in the undersea which katelyn you can see in her face. She's like Man she has a point. Yeah, I'm like is there is there is there a good reason that katelyn thinks that There's anything like there's any reason to trust her that she has something useful to add or that she should Her reaction to her word or image and her reference to sylko The fact that she's pinning sylko as the leader the fact she said she can prove it and that she recognizes the The crayon drawing Yeah, so she knows that vi has some emotional attachment to the operation adjacent to hers and Yeah, she she may not have an exactly a good reason to trust vi But what other you know option does she had her lead just got her his fucking job busted up by her So She's taking a risk katelyn doesn't trust her Yeah, katelyn doesn't have a heck of a lot of trust in her But again, she's got to do what she's got to do clearly. She's not averse to risk at all She got blown up and she's already still on the case I'm on the case I mean die. She just got back up My problem isn't with being risk averse. It's just that like If you if you compare this to a scene like violence of the lambs has very similar scenes Um, I just feel like a lot of what's happening doesn't really follow it. It seems a bit convenient I mean, she just randomly. Okay. She doesn't have any like, okay I actually know what it's like to be in a prison I like i'm imagining going up and just talking to a random person and they're and they're like Selling you a line and then actually like believing them and letting them out of prison and just like, oh, yeah Come with me. We'll go sort it out. It's like it's it's a stretch I feel like that's a really in Uncontractable way to paint the scene exactly. Did you not see vi's reaction to merely looking at a drawing? How do you fake that? Well, yeah, I'm not going to say it's impossible to fake that but I think that's katelyn's reasoning is that this girl knows And and she's and she knows she's lied to her as well She's like, why did you like the beating up the guy who's directly involved with all of this? And she's already claimed that he works for silco. Everyone does Um, which is if you remember with future a little bit of future knowledge that silco has been cleared again and again So that's definitely interesting information Yeah, I understand that I think there's a more than enough here for if you remember katelyn regrets this decision soon But then realizes that uh That it was actually the right choice I mean, that's kind of my point is that they have a substantial reason for them to be very skeptical of or hostile to each other And that doesn't seem to manifest very much. What do you mean? I think it's definitely I think they're quite hostile antagonistic to each other I guess the second question would be what should she have done instead? What is katelyn's alternative to getting Vi out and then Working with her. What does she do? I mean, I mean the alternative is to leave and continue investigating elsewhere. I mean, I I'm not convinced it's a lead Like like, okay. Okay. Hold on. So let's back up. Okay. Katelyn. Is there talking to the dude at the front? And she's like, okay. I'm here to see this dude with these tattoos. He was on a blimp He got beat, you know, he got beat up sent here to prison. I want to see this dude. Okay. His face got crushed in Okay, uh, that sucks. Uh, what can I talk to him? I don't know when his face gets patched up All right later like why why do you even make the assumption? Oh the person who beat him up in prison Like I should definitely go talk to this person. Why did they do it? Why did they do it? I that's what I'm saying. And also this person it could be months before their face is fucking do review and I In this I would suggest we talk to the person who beat him up because there might be a reason That's our only reason not to talk to them. There's no reason not to you're there What's the reason not to talk to the prisoners are heavily in like the reason not to talk to them Is that first of all you can't trust them. They're heavily incentivized to lie to you And why talk to the first person and why talk to the first person I mean, I don't like that logic at all. Never talk to prisoners. You can't trust them. Yeah, you can't trust a lot of people This is the exact this is the exact attitude that created the divisive tension between Caitlyn and vi the unwillingness to trust other people that are not from a similar place than you If you were you should be ashamed of yourself They do trust each other like an inordinate about seemingly Okay, they definitely struggled before getting to that point. Uh, I I don't know why it's not enough that this is a person who had specific interest The guy was there for what like an hour and he was beaten to death almost that's very interesting And then the fact that she recognizes the drawings She has someone that she can pin it on and she's offering I can prove it. You can't on your own Caitlyn can take it or leave it. You will not asked on your own in the undersea And Caitlyn has the power just just just to just to walk through this because I I caved on other stuff where I still disagree but this is I feel like there's a good point here. Okay, first of all One of my objections is it is very convenient It is very convenient that the person who beat up the person She's going to see that she has no idea about just happens to be like the only person We know in the world they can like help her out and then and then she trusts her. That's not convenient That's cause and effect who's going to beat up that guy the person who helped destroy her life Oh, wait, why? Vi fucking hates. Do you not remember that Vi knows that guy? I remember No, the point isn't that Vi knows the person it's that Caitlyn wouldn't have any understanding of this It's like you got beat up in a prison. No, we've been over this It's interesting to explore that someone within hours of him arriving at the prison nearly killed him Why did they do that? Who is this person? Yeah, I'm saying it's convenient that it's Vi. Vi is like the one person She has a reason to do it. She did it for a reason it follows She's the only reason I could do that to him The only reason I would see anybody saying that it's convenient is like meta because she's vi and she's the main character of the show But like it doesn't that doesn't mean anything like in universal follows Not to mention we're about to find out that she does this regularly to the people She's regular over she has she doesn't have an and she is impulsive about it If you're trying to argue that she has no more motive than anyone in the prison to beat him I don't understand at all Like it's it's okay It doesn't like I Whatever I see there's like multiple problems here. It's convenient that she talks to it's convenient The vice the one who beats them up. It's convenient that she thinks to go talk to the person It's convenient that I just I'm telling you like a bunch of different reasons We've taken them one by one said no to each of them, but now you're concluding that they're all valid Yeah, I don't I don't accept your rebuttals. It's still Be more specific. What about her she has a motive to beat that man. What do you disagree with on that? Okay, they're from Caitlyn's perspective There's no reason to think that the like the person who is beating this person up Is going to be the person who is going to like help solve the case true In prison true Caitlyn knows this true. We'll see criticism knows that Like again, this is very convenient. Okay Caitlyn doesn't have a reason to believe That this person is going to be the person to help her solve the case True. It's a person like the the prisoner got beat up in prison. There's not any particular reason to think true There's any like necessary connection to anything true. I again, I'm it's I can I can buy okay. She's gonna go talk to her because I mean the reason you guys are giving is she'll go talk to her because she doesn't have anything else to do Well, I don't I mean she certainly has other things she can do but okay She was just going to go talk to people It's convenient that the person who happens to have beaten them up is also the person who is in the best position of like anybody Presumably in the universe to help her solve the case, right? I don't know why you've concluded that That she's the best person to help No, probably Marcus would be the best person ever like he's got all the information and access And he could also facilitate her on piltover side. Vi is very useful But there is a reason that she ends up with vi beyond. Oh, it's convenient that vi is the one's helping it you understand like If we're going by what would be What would happen The the show is telling us vi fucking hates all of silco's henchmen Any of them that are sent in she probably beats the fuck out of and then ends up in solitary That is a thing that happens now. Caitlyn comes to the prison looking for him And that event has happened which draws her to vi. These are like I would argue It's the complete opposite of convenience. It's almost like you're locked into those events Okay, really quickly Marcus wouldn't help her so you haven't understood at all what I was trying to say I'm talking about Convenience Marcus of course wouldn't help her Well, you're saying that vi isn't the person like the best person to run into will vi Helps her Marcus wouldn't so I'm just saying with a potential power agency of the characters and what they know Vi is one of many people But the problem is who are the people that Caitlyn could bump into you know Like when go into that prison regarding a silco goon, it's like it's probably the silco goon or maybe vi Because I'll beat the fuck out of him. I don't know why are we taking why is it like just randomly bumping into someone is That's not random. It's not random. It's very well structured It's like you said it's cause and effect. I literally don't understand where you've detected randomness Caitlyn is drawn to the prison by silco henchmen silco henchmen is beaten up by vi because vi Yeah, it was in the prison because she feeds up all of the silco henchmen that go there Vi's personal journey payoff in this show is defeating savika That's like her big thing outside of powder jinx that dynamic If you remember she has a huge moment of elation when that fight completes Because I understand she's not like all the people who betrayed vanda which includes chungus boy Or lisi the silco Don't fucking matter She fucking hates those people. She beats them to a pulp every time she gets a chance to So kate yeah, I'm not I'm not contesting that vi wouldn't attack the henchmen. That's our argument for why it's not random What part of it is random Okay From katelyn's perspective, there isn't Like there isn't a reason to think that there's like this person is going to be useful or that this person is going to help you In fact, that there's probably pretty good reasons to be dubious of both of those assertions What i'm saying is random is that like even though there are even though without the fort like again from katelyn's perspective Without four knowledge of all this other stuff that's been going on She has very good reasons to be skeptical of this person And yet she isn't kind of cool of this person and this happens to be the person that can help her out So she is skeptical. She absolutely is that's just categorical But also if you've got no other leads, what choice do you have like she's got nothing This is the best that she's she's got they're okay There are lots of other things that could happen because this is what happened in the show she Again in the show she releases her and then it ends up fine. That doesn't mean that in the moment It's like a necessarily great decision So those could take someone who's been locked up and like literally had the key thrown away Someone who's so dangerous. They don't even keep proper records on them. And it's like, oh, well, you know Necessarily that's not what you conclude from that now But let's pretend for a second that vi didn't tell her anything. She even ignores it. She just doesn't speak at all Caitlyn would check and she would have to resort to something else. That's a dead end Simple as that but it's not a dead end What would the character vi say to this person in this scenario? I think everything she says is entirely in line. She fucking hates enforcers She knows that silk is behind everything and no one believes her and she thinks that uh, this is definitely an opportunity She wants Caitlyn to get her out of there so that she can get to powder Because she sees an image that looks like something powder would have drawn. Yeah But that's just a goal anyway Yeah, and then Caitlyn like gets given all the information that she would need to believe this person might Be able to do something to help her with this case and that's good enough Good enough for any detective Do you think that vi thinks there's a reasonable chance she'll be let out when she's in the prison? I mean, I'd give it a shot if I were Otherwise, I'm just gonna stand as long as she thinks there's even a one percent chance as batman would say she should take it as an absolute Yeah, I don't know why she wouldn't take that opportunity her only other choice is stay in prison forever I'd certainly try again Yeah, if if the premises trying she's trying to use Caitlyn to get out of prison Then why would she like insult Caitlyn a bunch of times? Because she fucking hates her She's not meticulously planning everything out Vi is not Yeah Yeah, she's not hyper intelligent or anything. She's she's pretty normal in that regard very emotionally driven And she probably is intelligent enough to if she sat down think about everything Yeah, yeah figure out that that will probably be um counter to her goals But she's not doing that. She's not sitting down and figuring out exactly the best course of action. Yeah It's all done in real time much more emotionally driven than that because she only realizes those opportunities here in real time as it rises. Yeah She had no time to prep a strategy to get out of jail Okay, so I assume that vi did not think there was any chance she was gonna get let out of prison So I didn't even have a problem with that But you guys were saying that this was like a realistic expectation in which case Well, then why would you be like insulting Caitlyn? So when she's telling her you're not going to make it on your own I obviously thought that she was aiming to get her to use vi as a guide Like it is an insult, but it's also an insult that has an implication of but I could help you get me out of here Yeah, it's an insult that says you can't do this on your own. You're gonna need yeah, okay again there's no contradiction between Like viciously attacking her and then trying to get her to get you let out of prison so that you can hang out No I don't know because whether or not you insult somebody whether or not you insult them if they need you You know You're not exactly going to put your feefies ahead if you're trying Yeah, exactly. Caitlyn's not going to be like just for that Fuck you and fuck me too because I don't have a case I can solve now Can I just We're going into a prison to talk to somebody that's been fucking thrown at a maximum confinement Had the fucking key thrown away. They beat the fucking shit out of somebody I gotta talk to this fucking person, okay? And now they're fucking screaming at me about they have to fucking hate enforcers So I'm gonna go and use my power wait on the first day that jason's made a counselor to go get them Let out of prison and then go walk around Anything that leads to a solution is convenient You've described it as screaming and viciously attacking. You're insane Watch the scene No, I said she I said she viciously attacks the dude She broke the dude's like jaw I want to take I want to take us through the scene in a different tone. Okay So Caitlyn's going oh, there's this criminal and like solitary confinement because they assaulted another inmate But maybe you know last last resort. Maybe she's got the information I need. Oh, never mind. She insulted me. I'm gonna leave Yeah, I actually think that vii believes that there's enough leverage that she can insult Caitlyn I don't know why that would be By the way, like I didn't know and I just want to vii fucking hates enforcers. It's a core element Well, I'm just vii is emotional. She is an emotional person She's very much driven by how she feels and if she only cares about the feelings of woman First So we're not gonna so we're not caving on anything. There's no level of convenience There's no oddness about the fact that there's like very conflicting reasons for people. I feel like we provided all of the counter arguments Yeah, it just kind of seems to me at this point like anything that That resulted in the prop progressing was convenient and random to you. I just don't get it No, it's because there are very good reasons to not do the things that they do And they and it happens anyway Well, so we can just play this exactly if you and I were the detectives give me give me one Let's go from we can go from every different perspective from Caitlyn's perspective because this person is potentially really really dangerous Okay from vi's perspective Again, you have to figure out whether or not it is that she is trying to use Caitlyn as a vessel to get out of prison Now if you are okay, if she is then it's quite weird to antagonize Caitlyn as much as she did That's no what why we've gone over it because She whether or not you antagonize someone if you have leverage You can do that and she would do that because that's a kind of person that she is she doesn't like enforce He's a rash emotional person. Yeah, she's not gonna go. She's not gonna She's gonna try this, but she's not gonna do it with her tail. So that wouldn't be with Did you not say that it would be incredibly suspicious if somebody who hates enforcers is like, oh no, hey friend Let me help you out, buddy. Like that's I could be so used I can give you like a direct like one-to-one real world parallel, right? So like when I was younger, I was not fond of the police Okay, not fond of the police at all. But when I get pulled over by the police I'm very incentivized to try and be cooperative and called and and cordially, you know Do you vise literally in prison, man? Exactly I have something I want to I I have something I want to get out of the police that are pulling me over or whatever Which is that I want to get the minimum possible level of enforcement on me of whatever in vice case She has something she wants to get out of katelyn, which is she wants katelyn to cooperate But the idea that like being rude to them isn't going to influence the outcome I just I don't understand how you can make that argument It might but she's an emotional person who has a back story with enforcers that leads her to be very antagonistic towards them Yeah, like when she has leverage, I guess to maybe make it so clear I want to emphasize where I just said though the enforcers execute her parents. This is a bit different than I don't like the police Exactly, but she's cooperating with this is what I'm telling you There's like very very strong reasons from both of their perspectives to not cooperate with each other and to not trust each other So I would say the violence Vi has very very good reasons to like try and cooperate to get out And that's not necessarily And we'll bring us back to the start of the scene real quickly It opens with vi, you know being non cooperative because she doesn't know why katelyn is there Nope She has no idea why katelyn is there what katelyn wants So katelyn just mentions, you know Witnessing an ongoing investigation and stuff and then katelyn turns to leave after vi continues to say nothing Until vi gives her the lead of you know give silco a kiss on that winning of eye appears That gets her attention back and the dialogue resumes from there. I mentioned silco now that she has leverage silco's in charge and it's like Silco's in charge of who fucking everyone because this is a Relative conspiracy at this point because marcus has hidden it Yeah This conversation is very natural and it's only at a certain point the vi even realizes She has the power to be able to get out of prison if she plays this right But she also I would argue uses reverse psychology. It's like you ain't gonna make it without me. Maybe katelyn could But telling her she can't Katelyn was gone until she got a lead out of vi unprompted Like she was leaving That's true. She was going to leave. Yeah Okay, that's okay I mean, doesn't that seem a bit convenient like you're leaving? What what is convenient about it? I don't understand like what you mean when you said that it's convenient I don't know if maybe you're asking why would she mention silco and it's like because she believes the enforcers are in silco's pocket And so she's telling this enforcer go give silco a kiss on the is winning eye Okay, we don't have to say it's unlocked on this, but I Yeah, I appreciate that. Also what I look for is reasoning for these things to happen more so than any of the million things And it seems like these are all the most likely events that would happen as a result of the variables we're aware of That's why I like this a lot I I find it very very unlikely from katelyn's position that she would trust vi and let her out She doesn't trust her. She doesn't trust her. It's a huge risk So so it sounded like you're about to run down the line of oh wait. She doesn't trust her Therefore like you can't make like too contradictory like you can't take both positions simultaneously. You have to pick one I I mean, I've argued like six different positions as to why this doesn't make sense. I mean the strongest one is that katelyn You're you're free to think that katelyn. No, I'm right. They're all wrong Yeah, katelyn. Yeah, it makes it makes complete perfect sense for katelyn to trust this person who she doesn't trust Say that Trust her then why are you letting her out of prison? Sorry, sorry, sorry, you've just done the thing you've taken two contradictory positions You've said that she trusts her and then when we say she doesn't you say that that's wrong to pick one I'm saying no What I'm saying is that her the way that katelyn behaves with vi implies a level of trust if she distrusts her Then doing this doesn't make any sense A level of trust there There are different levels of trust Like it's not you can trust that she will act in her self-interest But so long as they align with yours then you can you can work with that The first thing that happens is that vi doesn't cooperate with her self-interest. I mean, I guess we are But that that's why why would you make that assumption that she's just going to cooperate with your self-interest? Why you don't necessarily know that she is going to always cooperate you run the risk Like you haven't given reasons to believe that she has an interest in what you're doing. It is still a risk It's still a risk like just say it's a risk is like a substantial understatement Like you're you're letting out someone who you have like every reason to believe You want us to say there's lots of other things you could do. So they are using each other. They're not trusting each other Yeah, it's only later that they start to trust each other. Um, yeah, I don't Get it at all. I really don't like if you and I was there And I was like do we should uh, we should use them. They seem to know their way around They seem very invested in the evidence that we've collected so far and to be honest with you We haven't got a strong amount of stuff behind us. Like this isn't even sanctioned. Um, you know through markers or anything I reckon the maybe if we just pull her out. She's a nobody nobody cares about her We can maybe get that proof. She's talking about related to silk. Okay, if we can at least get that That'll be a great lead. And if you were like we can't trust it. I'd be like Yeah But this is yeah, this is what we've got the best we got our firstly Actually, hold on just when we talk about these real world examples police talk to people who may or may not be telling them the truth And they still talk to them And they still like try to figure out ways that they can use them to help advance their case Not everybody The problem isn't talking to someone the problem is Finding someone that you have every reason to believe is dangerous and letting them out of prison and then walking around with them It's a very different problem was talking to them before You said that is yes, there are many different. I have many different problems with this scene One of them is going to talk to them in the first place the one we're talking about right now When we address that one police will talk to people who may well not be telling the truth You you don't know why that's a point. Yeah, I don't that's a bad one. Just talking to him I don't see how there's nothing wrong with that. I would absolutely give up that position I'm not still arguing that you guys just brought that up. We're talking about No, I did okay No, I didn't okay. I'm pretty sure theo didn't and I responded to it. I did not just bring that up No, correct me if I'm wrong, but Fringy brought up a counter-argument to it and you said I'm You're more interested in talking about taking around and stuff Is that okay, but you brought it up earlier and you went. Yeah, there are many things I have to take issue with That's a restatement of the problem. We're saying it doesn't exist Okay, okay What I was trying to focus on right now Was the fact that Vi is a dangerous person and Caitlyn has a lot of reasons to not be around her Okay, and the level of trust that's implied by the actions that Vi is taking or the actions that Caitlyn is taking right now Um are out of touch with the level of risk for the situation Okay, the the idea that it's weird that she went uh that that Caitlyn went and talked to Vi Is a completely separate issue that I wasn't talking about Okay, again, it's an issue. Yeah. Do you still think it's an issue or not that she spoke to her? I mean, it's a bit weird, but it's like forgivable. I don't feel any I would just say that it follows you don't lose anything by talking to her you might as well There is literally no reason not to Like why would she not talk to her would be my question Like if you're worried about someone lying to you, it's like yes, welcome to talking to human beings I don't know why you think that well, she's a prisoner. So she might lie bore It's like oh because whether or not she's going to be dishonest you may get you can get something out of a dishonest person They might say something unwittingly they might The fact that they're trying to misdirect you might focus your attention on something else like even if someone's not being honest with you You can still learn things from them. So I don't see why you would never talk I I don't even I I Totally do not understand that one like that I would hasten to remind just quickly that katelyn was going to leave when she was going to snowmalling her When I gave her nothing she was leaving. That's Discussing the decision to talk to her in the first place We've addressed that one she there is no reason why she wouldn't talk to her You have to give that one up. That one is ridiculous Is to which the the decision to talk to her in the first place. Yeah. Yeah, that that one's absurd like you have to give that one up Okay, what what is the why would vye think naturally that because someone got beat up They're going to talk to the person is going to help her solve like a grand conspiracy Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. We'll just we are correct dooma. There is no reason to think that's a guarantee Yes I got nothing and then that's it. Okay. You could just talk you could just randomly talk to everyone in the prison Okay, you don't just do that. It's true. You can say once again. Once again, you are completely correct Though if say I was brainstorming with us lot here, but like who should we speak to first? Maybe the guy who beat the fuck out of our suspect That seems like a good start I wonder what you know, maybe maybe that motivation might tell us something. Maybe it won't it's worth checking Mm-hmm It's five minutes out of my way Yeah, while she's here, certainly I might as well So you have to see that one too I mean, I again, I don't feel a need to argue about it, but I don't see a reason that you You guys okay, I am not the one who is getting stun locked on this, right? You guys keep bringing it up Well, what about that point you want to continue that point? Don't act like I'm the one who's getting us stuck here. I keep saying I don't feel like arguing about it. Okay Like the Caitlyn the Caitlyn's motivation to not let by out of jail. I I I'm absolutely flabbergasted You guys don't understand like how potentially dangerous that is I I I feel we conceded it several times So you just don't even like for some reason you think that means you should never use her as an opportunity It's like there's an immediate danger of being around this person Like do you actually believe for a second there that we think there's no danger in bringing by out of the prison? Do you think that's a position we hold? If maybe we should tell them that we think what is the level of what is the level of risk? Well, it's it's yeah, it's a risk. It's a risk Okay, it's a big risk, but in but your alternative is nothing We don't we don't know Well She certainly feels like that's her only choice, which is an important part whether or not she more That isn't established. She's got a whole board of a bunch of stuff. I mean presumably there's more There's one exact thing Let her just still water because of a person she can't talk to I I guess is that a problem that makes sense No, but I'm seeing like there isn't it's not like oh well well the person that I wanted to talk to was here So I'll just talk to everyone else who's here. I mean, it's not a video game It's not like well, there have to be NPCs, but she had a reason to talk to this person She had a reason to talk to Vi. She definitely had a reason More so than like what what reason does she have to talk to the guy who's never interacted with that man before in his life? versus the one who beat the shit out of him as soon as he came to prison like Well, don't talk. I mean she has the thug is like a silco henchman. She knows that so there's like a very very obvious reason to talk to them Yeah, and and he got beat up. He's currently unavailable. She can't talk to him And now this is the thing if she went to Vi and Vi said, uh, that's fucking chuck. I hate him He fucking stole my money when we gambled once. That's why I beat him up. Caitlyn'd be like Oh, okay. Anything you can tell me about chuck. He'd be like, no He's an asshole Okay, okay. All right. Well, well at least I tried And then you have to try and figure something else out But when you meet someone who apparently has some sort of understanding of the drawing and seems to be emotionally invested in that They might be able to help you guide guide you through an area that you've never been to before It is a risk that you might just run off or beat the shit out of you And she's given you a silco as a That's a conspiracy format without prompting as well Exactly. Yeah When you're presented with that might as well take the chance and Caitlyn is not risk averse We know that she's not risk averse I mean like it was it was a little bit risky for her to sneak into the uh, well, I guess to just give examples, right? It's a little bit risky to sneak into the um The crime scene to investigate it and she gets penalized for it But she did it anyway And even though she got injured and now is kind of getting pushed to the side She still wants like she is very invested in this case It's really she's desperate to not get this fucking desk job, right? Yep. Yep. I like I'm not risk averse That doesn't mean that I'm like going to do something that has a tangible like chance of Caitlyn's not you Caitlyn's Caitlyn and she has different Uh, I don't think that Caitlyn I think that Caitlyn believes that she can handle herself in a uh combat situation She has reason to consider her death a considerable risk who ends up saving whose life Yeah, I'm an excellent shot and she is she's a very good shot But I think I think she considers I think that she considers the physical threat that Vi presents To be one that she can deal with with her own set of skills Yeah, or at least just give it give it a give it a shot Like she she has weapons that she is incredibly proficient with with her Vi doesn't Because her fists for you just prove logic is subjective. Well, no logic like your internal logic is going to be different from someone else's That's that's all there is to your willingness to take a risk is different for everyone's here is different You're Everybody is logical in their own head like everybody believes that they're making the right decisions or that they're you know People act in what they believe to be their self-interest whether or not it actually is that's a different thing But like we're trying to talk about characters all that matters makes sense to them that they would do it That's all that's all that matters. It doesn't need to be like the most optimal decision ever Yeah, so like if a guy believes that like the sky is made of jelly So if he if he like goat gets in a Good gets in a plane He can like put his head out the window and eat some jelly and he gets on a plane because he wants to eat some jelly That is within his character because it's logical to him not because it actually makes sense logically Okay, should vi or should kitlin ask vi any more questions before letting her out I'm assuming they asked a whole she asked a whole bunch of questions in between the time they get from here to the next scene Just about here and what it stuff is about things It would probably and vi at that point would have a big motive to calm it down as to What she's dealing with Why why would we assume that because I doubt they were silent I mean it's the reason that we're assuming that something has to be there It's because it's kind of weird just given the information that we have No, no So two human beings walking from one area to another that's a long distance They will typically talk about something. That's my game. Oh, sorry. Sorry. We're we're miscommunicating I mean Shouldn't shouldn't kitlin ask more questions before letting her out of prison Like kitlin has her in a position where she's compromised Well, so can ask her questions and get whatever information that she wants to get her out closer rather than later for many you got to remember all the urgency elements as well one being that This is something that kitlin is not supposed to be doing Secondly the the clock is ticking on whatever is happening and Which she's just dealt with many enforcer friends being killed She just wants to get on with this job and then thirdly the fact that viya gets beaten on the regular It's probably worth getting her out as well The most recent chat just says I've become so numb I've become so numb How does it feel I don't know actually. I don't know how it feels. I've become so numb I thought it was a we see you there, but I've not listened to that song and well ever actually input, you know Yeah, we are we are running out of time. We happen to be Wait, how long we can go We got five as I can we only got an hour and a half to finish this episode and we're still on the first With a second seat, I guess Well, okay, then, uh, yeah, then we get the intro everyone's favorite Um, and I was just yeah I was going to talk about the uh, so this the funeral scene and marcus is talking about all the people who've died Those enforcers, which is nice because it could have been that they were just killed and nobody really cares Because they were just Representative of an action scene, you know, but it's like no They care very much about this. It's gonna have big repercussions on both sides um But uh, yeah, he uh, he takes his daughter to grayson's uh Headstone tombstone uh tomb Yeah, I think it's just a tomb in general Yep, and he says, uh, she was a good woman Which it's just yeah seven years later and it's still weighing on him heavily because he's honestly kind of the reason she's dead It was real important. Um, really good sense of making this guy a lot more. Um I guess I don't know if I just keep it in mind, you know understandable. Yeah He's very much not a cartoon character. Yeah Um So yeah, he comes to to silco to talk about the fire lights, which are the guys on the boards and they're like What a fucking frustrating disaster because they're fucking up pilt over and they're fucking up silco Like it's there's an there's almost an interesting irony that they're trying to conduct business under the table And there's these people who are screwing them both up like as a faction that's against them But it's also potentially going to reveal their dealings as well. So it's just a big disaster the fire lights and um, I think silco is just like You know, we're gonna you can blame them Um, and so it's like killing two problems at once and that gives you a it gives you a person responsible for the enforcers That are dead and it'll get rid of the fire lights. Hopefully which are causing problems for us And it's cool to see because that's actually pretty clever from silco And it'll work perfectly fine for somebody who is just you know, fucking dirty ass carp type of stereotype but marcus is like That's like it's not good enough Because like you can tell there's a bit of a conflict here in that that's so unjust The fire lights didn't even kill the enforcers that they're conducting all this business that actually got them killed with a shimmer Explosion then jinx is responsible not the fire lights like the marcus isn't satisfied is my point Uh, even though silco's plan would actually solve the problem I think you can tell in just these short two scenes quite a lot about how marcus is really not pleased having stumbled into this position Yeah, oh, yeah I really like uh, really like a lot of the markets a lot Yeah, I was saying first time through I thought he was a penis man, but second time through I was like He's not a penis man. He's complicated There's a lot of detail I think if if he had a way out You think marcus would be out, you know, like he wouldn't be in with silco anymore if such a yeah But right now it feels to me like he's just trying he's trying to make things work like Grayson and vanda did but But he's not Grayson silco's not uh, yeah Just with that one scene you can tell he's got a lot of admiration for for Grayson and um But yeah, they hand him his money and he very frustratingly walks off because there's this sense as well There's like take the money or something worse might happen in this because he's surrounded by these fucking like huge dudes um, I also like just the the It's it's pretty much made clear that his role as sheriff Was given to him thanks to his relationship with silco Which um like the jab that silco gives him like we've we've accomplished a lot together marcus sheriff like And this thing um Just with that line my brain is like oh is that like referencing that maybe silco has given people up um for marcus to arrest and like may even make like really great progress here and there with different busts or something But at the same time making it look like that's what's happening when You know other things that who knows what their history has been it's just that uh, marcus is in way too deep Yeah, and then we we we jump over to good old Victor and jace who are in i don't even know it's like a room filled with all kinds of hectic stuff Uh, i'm assuming it powers the hex gate. I'm not sure I would imagine that's a we call a science room. Yes. I assume Yeah Make science room to the science room. We do science here. We have fun. We have science here or the science happen here It just is a an emergent aspect of this room is science just happening And yeah, it's just this fun moment where uh jace is like Have you seen the fucking reports about like this that and the other and then marcus is like, oh Yeah, it's just you know And he's like there's corruption here and i'm gonna root it out and marcus is like, oh Isn't that uh, aren't you kind of wasting your time man? It's like jace like, no Yeah, it's just uh, and it's a worry for marcus jace is fucking driven and his goals would definitely get in the way It's just something to keep in mind for him Also a fucking little line. I love it's like marcus says to him with all dearest effects council You've only been in office like a day or something and he's like you should take it easy Second it's like no, really. Yeah, I have bubbled the experience My fucking second date, bitch My powers have doubled so it's a lot of Yeah, dammit That's a good meme It's a prequel meme man at top notch. Um But yeah, once again, uh watching victor cough and then blood comes out. I was like, no He's not doing well. I mean Yeah, but he already had plot cough. You knew this was coming. He's such a nice boy Don't Stuff look at him. He's looking at all the science He's looking at the science Yeah, literally word for word says I need to do science And then we got the jink scene, right? We got a jink scene. I'm not biased to all these things. What are you talking about? I look all right. They're they're cool scenes She's doing she's working on a little tech. She's created a rudimentary Uh Like little device that is capable of making use of the gemstone through what she's uh read and all of the the books and stuff Seriously, look at that image. It's just it's just like a moment in the scene that's passing by and she's like, oh The amount of um depth It's gorgeous and the lighting oh colors Nice all the all the neon like neon aesthetic scenes are pretty sweet um So, yeah, uh Again just because at this point in the show, I was still like, what are we uh, what are we up to with here? I don't I'm not entirely sure but basically explains to my little glagger how the machine works And how she's excited to get it using she's gonna have to pop the gemstone in And see what happens and of course because it's just like a first attempt Doesn't it's not working out perfectly kind of makes a little explosion And my god They do a thing that it's so hard not to compare once again to boba fat. I'm gonna do it so in episodes seven of boba fat cad bane says um Because I think it's someone the pikes reference referenced and then cabbane's like, oh, yeah the ones that killed your friends And that's like it flashes back to when he saw the tusk and raider bodies Just the seed And then it just shows boba fat being sad It's like Fucking hell like. Yeah, I know I wish it flashed back to him smiling at them chasing the cricket creature Just a little that was the flash back Just a little little uh side just so you remember, right? Okay boba frets friend friends. They died and this makes him sad thing Yeah There's no reason for cad bane to be bringing this up, you know, but it's not sad about all of the innocent bike Has he killed? So, yeah, we don't acknowledge that and the fact that yeah, uh, yeah, we never that never comes up again There's no like the retribution the anger is going to be toward the pikes Like who the fuck cares about cad bane right now? Like cad bane bringing it up apparently his goal was to make boba angry enough to try and shoot him Is like, okay There's so much about that fucking scene if cad bane just wants to kill him Just kill him You don't need him to shoot at you before you can shoot at him, especially if you're hired to kill him Especially when you ambush everybody else like without giving them any fair warning Yeah, why'd you look mobile if he's the leader as you can see Many issues are taken. We have a history with that scene. This is very important This scene, yeah, right? She corrects the tack But it doesn't quite work in terms of it's a little bit uncontrolled and does a little explosion on it It blows it back And then we flash She's staring at the device and if you look at it, it's kind of reminiscent Certain colors actions Animation it makes the sound it makes the exact sound as well Uh, I've skipped past it and I don't want to skip back feel sees a dick, but uh clagger His face appears on the clagger doll temporarily um It's just staring at this shit and then she sees the monkey device that she built Blowing up Just explosions everything's messed up and then it's flashing to the the deaths of clagger and milo um Panics course Until it just it kind of peters out because this is this is what she's done here is essentially what we were seeing Jason Victor do an episode like two and three Just sort of playing with it to see if it can work understanding of control of it sort of thing um And then she yeah, once it all ends and calms down She uh, she says no it was a mistake. It was a mistake and she just runs off Which yeah I was just surprised. I was like fucking hell nice work guys No taking it seriously. You're not turning it sort of like a joke Very much on in mind And we got to this moment organically through things that you know, she would have should have been down Exactly. There's a thing like she tries to report herself as fun loving And confident and stuff, but she is not she is completely broken and held together by strings Um, this imagery is I really like sort of her character psychologically like um We haven't fully explored what she experiences But like intense childhood trauma is what causes stuff like this So particularly when you see scenes like this and you can see like flashbacks of it um Really quite realistic Seeing her character development it I mean Obviously the magical elements of it aren't aren't very realistic, but if something similar happened You know The way that she's behaving isn't out of out of what you would expect. You know in the real world Yeah, well, I I'll give this why a lot of people find it so compelling um And to just strip her down like She's this psycho killer who's really confident, but I don't think she's doing but in this moment She's reverted back and To this day is desperate to explain that what happened with that in episode three was a mistake. She didn't mean for that to happen She has not gotten over it and she wouldn't have ever really gotten over it. There's no reason for her to have gotten over this Yeah And uh, yeah, exactly that last frame as well just showing the she's still got the bunny Yeah Rags, what do you think of this scene? um I'm kind of just sort of letting you guys take this one. Um I I just carry is just carry on do you carry on carry on Uh, well that puts us to the next scene which is Vi and Katelyn having a little Quick discussion at the top and then vi Basically just jumps the fuck down to the the lanes um I uh, I do take issue with this bit. I think it's pretty dumb that uh Vi would assume katelyn's gonna be able to easily catch up with it with how far and fast she goes Mm-hmm. It's not even about you might even be trying to lose her. I don't know is well I mean, she seems to be on board with There's a lot of thought to that actually because i'm not sure I really don't know exactly Katelyn seems to believe from the second that she's ran off that she may very well just be abandoning her Uh, but katelyn manages to follow her. Um The only thing I can really say I suppose about that is just that um It seems a little lucky because It shows us what vi does which by the way is cool. It's like she's heading back home She's talented as fuck at all the the Parkour. Yeah um It's just that the Katelyn is struggling on like the first beam while vi has Gone so far that I don't even know if they're in like ear shot of screaming at each other at this point That's the problem. I would like arrive at is how the hell is katelyn supposed to follow like Yeah, she gets to a point where vi's just gone and there's a million different routes down that she could take and uh, yeah The scene wants you to think she's just right behind her but logistically that doesn't work So as we're as we're shown it should be more of a of a situation You have a robot vacuum just came in the room. Sorry if that's loud. It's all right Do you have a name? Uh duncan I'm glad that you've given it a name. That's uh, that makes me really happy. He's working hard He is working hard. It's actually really adorable because when he like gets long battery He's he just like stops and he goes really slowly back to his charger. It's like oh, he's tired He's going to sleep They should make a video game called duncan the vacuum cleaner where you just go on adventures with duncan and cleaning up places And he starts moving up. He gets he gets like uh promotions because he's so good at cleaning Like he takes the most efficient routes and stuff And he doesn't I've seen him working. All right, and then he doesn't know his way around but He's a good man. It's only a second day. He's a good duncan Oh, it's only a second day. Wow. Mm-hmm. Oh, wow his powers have um Yeah, awesome shot. Not sure about this for her health Yeah, some of these are some of these so The whole thing is that like as we're shot I as I believe that what we're supposed to think is that like katelyn is just behind her even though logistically that doesn't work But as shown katelyn should really just be like in accordance with the motivation She should be essentially threatening by to slow down Like keeping a gun train when I like you can't leave my sight. Sorry Sorry, not sorry. I think that's fair But she's currently trying to even find a way of keeping like her arms and focus are on just being alive right now Because this is incredibly dangerous Plus I don't think she's trying to call too much attention to herself So she started shouting orders. She's gonna draw a little too much attention to herself I mean, I know she's climbing and everything but shouting is gonna do way more essentially when you're up high So really really quickly this is Doing something like this is necessary because there's like some sort of security on the bridge or something, right? Like I assume is there is there an option of them just walking home? Well, so I don't think we have to believe what vai says. I think vai just wants to do it this way This is something she enjoys doing as always possibly done But she says years and she wants to do this again. She says we need to lay low But I don't know that that's like The actual reason she does this I think I can believe that silco has eyes all around and that's a thing she wants to avoid and not in his face like Uh, that she still has got him There is a small change in he was injured There is a small change in silco's face. You notice that his uh, his pupil is more deformed than it used to be It is you're right. It shows that he has been shooting it in his eye a lot lately I was curious to see if because I didn't compare it myself, but I was curious if the scarring Had expanded or not from when we saw him in the first three Like it got further across his face or not I don't know if it's easy to tell because he's obviously got foundation on it. Can't confirm Can't confirm who'd be needed for this I was significantly less smoother than it used to be also an interesting little take that I noticed You know vai's running around on the rooftops and everything like she knows the place like the back of her hand It's kind of interesting how you know Piltover made all these all this progress and everything like that But by vai getting around the city so easily like it was only yesterday that she had done this would show that Pilto or that the under city has barely changed at all. Yeah, like structurally it's most of the same But obviously the inhabitants and the exports have have changed Mm-hmm. Yeah, I think you're right I was talking about why she has a tattoo of her name on her face That's those are roman. That's a roman in before That's six, sorry I think that was the amount of time she's been in prison Ah Maybe you've been in there for six years Well, then it wouldn't be a vi. It would be like an uh One two three four five. Yeah, you're right. Yeah, I wouldn't put on your face Unless unless she was really removing that adding and removing to make them Yeah, when when they got to four they're like, uh-oh Someone in chat several people in chat have put it out. It's her name guys. We were trying to find a kula reason Well, no, if you look at it, it is it is still roman numeral six That's what I think I think in terms of characterization It damages her if if we are to believe that at some point she went, you know what? I'm gonna get a tattoo of my name on my face I'll be honest with you. I never actually thought to ask. I just like I never have so yeah, I hope that's not the reason I just want my I just I just think it's coincidence. I think it's a roman numeral six and it just so happens that her name is vi I think that's just coincidence. I won't put down What if I is So it's a prison tattoo, right because she didn't have it when she was a kid All about tattoos she got while in prison. Yeah yeah, I mean Look, I'm the one I'm the the vihater is logged on, right? But I mean, I'll forget that. That's what I Prison tattoo is okay I just yeah, I assume she got it for reasons that aren't I want my name on my face like that right Uh, I love this shot. It's fucking great I know who you are. How many talents written all over your face um Upon entry some some gross alleyway thugs try to give by the ol I'ma take your money thing Unfortunately for them She's a fucking psycho and she beats them up and takes one of their jackets Well, she she takes both of their clothes because she gives the right the others to katlyn then I think Yeah, I like how her response is just I like her jacket and then Gee she just has the jacket now. I by the way, uh Jay, do you remember when I said there are other things that have done that payoff that you said you like Yeah, I remember the one of them is from buffy. So You'll see it again. I I think I think you remembered that as we were watching it because I'm pretty sure you told me that I should like what be with What first I said I couldn't remember what uh, it was from though, right? Um, I sweat ice I I don't know this the being from buffy feels familiar to me. So I'm my guess is that you said, um, of like just putting my memories together You said you couldn't remember where it was from and then like a little bit later You were like oh, it's from buffy. Well, it could also be that you're just so used to me saying that reference I have is from buffy. It could be that Maybe uh But yeah, they to show passage of time as well. They they have uh How long it took katelyn to get down there was the same amount it took for the old man to get into the uh Little tram and get delivered down here as well but um Yeah, it's a little bit strange. She ends up in pretty much the exact same place that vi landed It's just like oh Okay, that's convenient. I want to I want to point out a funny little detail too You see that little goat person walking behind her You can't call them goat person of goat. Yeah Yes, so the paul goat as she's like catching her breath and everything little goat man's walking behind her. Um Bring it back to where uh katelyn says that she wants to use the uh the lift Uh and vise and vise says no, we're not doing that. We're gonna fucking run this shit I'm not insane, right? Is anyone else knows what's just happened or is it just me? What's happened what in the conversation? So I literally pointed all of that out as a fun payoff How about the goat man? Did anyone else hear me say that or am I insane? No, I didn't hear you say that You definitely did for a second there. I was like wait am I having deja vu but like but I think is I guess that was the Weird part. I thought that was a very it was super overt and obvious the goat man. It was very Yeah, I don't that's why I said it's an indication that that's how long it took katelyn to get down there Yeah Okay, no my bad. I guess I I don't know. I guess I must have missed it. Never mind. It's all right. You don't like listening to me That's fine. You know, I was it was allowed to just you know ignore it was a funny bit that I missed on my first time over And then when I saw it second time Mm-hmm um Yeah, I think uh victor is now fiddling with the hex core And um, I think it's a bit of a of a progression a progression in terms of dialogue back uh in episode three I think wasn't jinn jay say something like you sure this is gonna work and jace was uh, sorry victor was just like He likes a bit of a shrug with like an okay, but then this time Jay says you sure like you know what you're doing or you sure this is safe and victor's just like no Of course not Yeah, like he's it just seems to be the dynamic has changed a little bit with victor's becoming more desperate Yeah He seems to not only is he more desperate. He seems to have accepted that other people know this and um, he he the way he says of course not Uh establishes that not only is he desperate But the people he is aware that the people around him are aware that he is desperate So he's been desperate for long enough that people know it about him. Yeah, but it's it's it's been normalized Um, and then we're introduced to the best character in the whole show Uh, wouldn't you agree selco right? He is uh, this guy He he just he fills my heart with joy. I love apparently He's such a good boy. He's my friend. His name is Jericho. Yeah, Jericho. What is he called? Well, yeah, somebody super cheered that they helped animate him uh, someone in chat as well as The god so yeah that person will get to the super chance at some point, but um, that's great You're cool. He's so full of life Instantly fell in love with him when she complimented his food and he just like like khakis is like Like slams his cleaver into his own shoulder where he's got like a cleaver board and everything. He's a great guy He's so happy. He just takes pride in his work. Yeah, he's smiling. He's doing good work and he's happy while doing it the best kind um, he really is so great And uh, he helps her out as well as what she's looking for He knows and even toward the end of the scene like he even just kind of stares at katlyn for a moment in the Way the way he looked at her and the way the camera just kind of hung on that for a little bit I thought maybe he was a league of legends character that I wasn't aware of He should be a league of legends character Then again, if they add him he'd be too overpowered. He'd just be Adding him would be if you're on the other team, you wouldn't want to kill him Well, his ulti would be a global taunt where everybody just loves him and hugs him I can't bring myself to hurt such a charming wonderful man and then they all kill themselves He just yeah, when my walks off he turns to katlyn just smiles like anything I could help you with sort of thing Yeah, he's so happy Look at him. What a legend. Um, I think we could I think we could all as a legend. He belongs in some kind of league. Yeah We could all learn something from this if all if the world was filled with just him The world would be there would be heaven it would exist It would be There is a reason why he is in the thumbnail. Okay, he earned it So, yeah, uh She gets some food and they're having they're they're they're having some trouble these two katlyn's like you're not doing fucking work research explaining things You're not doing anything You're just eating food and then vise just like talking about how awesome it is to eat food because she wouldn't have had food This good in a long time Um Which I think get some points docked for calling jericho's food slop bitch fucking rude yet um but uh Yeah, like that that that tension is always around as well because I come is it this scene It's also the one where she has with with jace a bit later But about like you don't even know what happens in the prisons. Do you? Because uh the enforcers are a little bit unaware of that Um The yeah Vi Basically ignoring her and looks to be messing around but she actually gets something from uh jericho. That's important And it is gonna take her to the uh the brothel So I guess this the the I don't know the icon for the brothel. It's like a little Circle with the lines. I'm not sure. Yeah um And so we get the politics scene Who lots of politicking happens here, um Well, yeah, we we can talk about that what's probably going on with that in the background of the sack but uh So the idea is jace is becoming much less popular because of his goals of trying to shore up security It's screwing up a bunch of the councilor's uh interests and Mel is like you should probably do something about that for example Talk to them about how you're going to be innovating Hextech And ask them to support you and work with you and they can have you know First entry into like whatever it is you may come up with Bait them bribe them whatever you want just try and get them on your side so that your endeavors don't get screwed up by accidentally sort of uh butting heads with them And of course It's just like as far as I'm concerned This show was never going to be as like politically focused as tv shows that are all about politics But I think it does a pretty decent job of trying to do a simplified version You have well the time to give it. Yeah mel is like this uh She's almost a puppeteer that's trying to manipulate politics in the same way you could argue frank is in uh house of cards Except she's a good person Both in universe, I know but the Idea with this is that jace is a main puppet and she's going to get him to puppeteer the other counselors Very uh clever lady um I figure because we go back and forth I think between a jinx scene and the the politicking one So I think I might just try and go through the the conclusion of the politics one now instead of doing it piece by piece And I want to mention something that people were theorizing about quickly when the show was coming out like before Act theory was right ahead and then I'm going through but people thought that mel might be Leblanc Oh, uh, what's the connection? Uh, the connection being Leblanc is able to shape shift into other people and you know take on other guys and stuff and she might be You know Well, and she's a manipulator of course and we see mel manipulating people and she has connections to noxus because we see her painting the immortal bastion well Oh, I guess you're saying her connection to noxus in just act two Yeah, yeah, um, I mean, I guess they could still Is the thing we'll get to that I would consider that Yeah, yeah, yeah, I'd say that but like I just thought that was interesting to talk about Um, so jayce is like unsure and then he starts to like build up a conversation I think uh mel talks to one of the counselors or someone of influence. I can't quite remember what her name is but Uh halfway through her conversation with that woman who's like kind of implying that jayce is Annoying and kind of getting the way he like turns around and starts giving off a really charismatic and Well, just a speech That's his game face on the older one with the white hair. Yeah, who has a shockingly young voice Yes It was it was disturbing watching her but she sounded hot Disturbed she sounded hot Uh Yeah, um, and then we have like a little montage Combined with I'm gonna go back to this scene. It'll be fun. Where's the other politicking scene. There we go so Um, he starts talking to each of them shaking hands and making alliances Meanwhile, you wait. Oh, no. Yeah, go ahead Oh, it was meanwhile your boy heimerdinger. He's just sitting there enjoying the show Completely completely oblivious to what's going on around him which uh Felt to me and free where we were watching it as just foreshadowing All the all the counselors are there by himself Up to their own interests while he is just enjoying life Yep Um, all right, see if I can get a shot of it actually I just said my only issue with the politics scenes is there aren't more of them because I think they're quite good I enjoyed Watching this play out. I've seen many people describe it as boring, which is disappointing. But what can you do? Oh, man Hate it. If they think it's boring then, uh, I mean, maybe I would be curious if anyone thought it was boring after seeing it twice because like The second the second watched through for me all the different pieces sort of clicked and I understood You know everything that was going on in the scenes, right? I mean from that point on I really like these scenes. Did you actually don't like them Rex? No, I do Okay, I I would say like the first time around as soon as I saw Jaime Dinger there just happily watching I was immediately like I know where this is going like it's pretty like them He is not like them and he's gonna and I wonder if that's gonna cause problems for him in the future Like to me it was immediately clear I'm pretty sure you would I discussed what happens eventually exactly what we thought was gonna happen and to be clear That's not like a bad thing at all. It's it's I'm really glad that it was uh, it was so clear that what you know What direction we're heading in Because um, yeah, and and the show itself as well just gradually becoming darker and more chaotic with lightning and more intense strings and stuff Yeah Go Oh, uh, just a quick thing about the show as well. Uh, the violinist is a cameo of ray chen Go did the her goes involved in the song for the last episode for the finale? Oh, that's cool. Oh, like he looks like this in real life sort of thing Or Are you saying because of the model would have been built after him but also the he played well I'm assuming he played it as well What do you say cameo? Do you mean visually or just audio? I guess it's the same as the imagine dragons people right like for real Do you did you die? Yes Now Sorry, was it uh, just an audio uh cameo or is it visual as well? Uh visual. I think it's supposed to be based on him. Yeah, that's cool. That's cool I like this scene because it reminds me of the darth plague is the wise Yeah Only the best I was like yes, but yeah, I mean but It's basically the exact same. I was gonna say it's kind of rip off. If anything Um, but you know, we'll really say greatest artist steal from the best and stuff Um Then we got another awesome scene. What that just happens to have jinx in it. I don't know what you're talking about. Um Remember this this area from back in episode two It's where they used to hang out as friends We didn't get to do it much in the past seven years if at all Um, so jinx has given it a little visit And she even steps on the plate that vi would have thrown at the enforcer back then Which has the um the image of milo on it which again just Man does that seem familiar now compared to when we first ever saw it Look at that boy. Yeah, there you go Quite a distinctive head shape So that Game of goof. Yeah, it's looking head. So it's easy to emulate it And yeah, she looks at the leaderboard and it's all vi except for the two clagger ones That's what we hear clagger saying. What's wrong? Oh, you're right Uh powder's gonna beat you again. So which is just an indicator of what's going through her head I don't know about clagger is that he clags quite a lot So I got his name. He's always clagging They said your name shall be one who clags and they're like, that's Bit bit on the tongue. Just clagger the one who clags that The one mad mad with some clag like features Pretty sure that the doxels boss fight nice full Which is a clagmire Yeah, clagmire um So she's Oh my god She spots a crow and it freaks her out down really and then she considers it for a little bit and then shoots it Um, that was pretty mean. We've set a lot of people shooting a crow She has killed several people at this point, but shooting a crow. I think crosses a different line, you know, it does cross a different line I don't like her anymore. Well because the important aspect of her character is that she has to um essentially to Actually, I might have said this on the last stream. Stop me if I did Uh, I'm gonna show you if I said this in private or on the stream Uh, but to Deal with what's happened to her. She almost has to as a necessity see killing as not a big deal Uh ending the life of a another individual has to for her Not be something particularly serious so that she can dismiss what she did Her biggest trauma is related to the tie. So she better deal with it. Yeah to taking lives If if that can become a trivial event then maybe that can help her Deal with the idea logically ideologically she Her viewing killing as something trivial makes a lot of sense considering what she's had to deal with and How that might have led her to think I would even argue that how it how it has led her to think she might even pursue it Because she can then make killing trivial. Um, like it would be yeah, so it's A lot going on for her. Um She reassembles the machine And she starts up around with it The um Just want to point out the the scratchy writing at the start just before things start as well. She's says I don't know the context I Pretty great, that's funny Also shot appreciation look at that shit. It's not up yet. Yeah, I'm still just seeing the meme Oh, that's great. That's gorgeous actually It's it's one of those shots that doesn't draw focus if you're engaged in The story, but you can't appreciate it as it's it's just generally gorgeous. Anyway, like it's not gonna Yeah, it's it's not in face with how beautiful it is. It's just beautiful on its own as Theo was pointing out Just seeing vye scratched all over the screen Come across as lines just in general when uh viewed fast enough Yes, there is a Deep seated insecurity that relates to jinx comparing herself to vi Quite a bit especially being that vi was her source of like validation for basically everything And all sorts of pent up feelings that probably haven't been processed very well about exactly how she feels about vi now Well, yeah illustrated perfectly by look at these two flashbacks. First one is vi holding her And little hearts and then punching her in the face A bit of a conflict there And it's it's like communicating mental distress Well and to mention what does she think of vi she doesn't know what she thinks of vi She was my sister and she was nice to me, but she also punched me in the face and abandoned me Oh man this fucking part Yeah, it's like what can I feel like just playing it in slow motion and just going, you know Really great keyframes in this sequence lots of strong poses. Yeah, look how quickly she goes from Jinx to vi it's just like It's really impressive Mm-hmm Talk about style too But yeah gotta be careful for copyright, which by the way, I was so careful in our last stream not a single trouble with copyright I was blown away. Wow. It the work pays off because youtube's a twat Don't tell youtube I said that Now just copyrights you out of spite removed from community guideline violations Like seriously look at the way that she moves Uh here, right? So she's dodging the two first strikes from the the machine How fucking like dodge dodge and then she goes to spin and then it lines up with vi in the memory Grabbing it It's fucking great And then as she's engaging with the machine she just starts switching into vi doing it as well Youtube is indeed a twat. Some feelings start coming to the surface Uh, yeah, she's getting pretty angry And this is the sort of scene that in most shows would just never show up because it doesn't have like a There isn't like a discrete plot reason for it to be here, but it's so good for character Like it communicates a tremendous amount Like most almost I mean basically exclusively visually in a very short period of time. I really love this scene Fucking excellent And she finishes out, um not at the top of the leaderboard No Which frustrates her quite a bit Expressions that is what would happen. She wouldn't win and that would annoy her. Yeah You could say she's having trouble here You could say she's dealing with a lot in this moment. Yeah And again, there's just like so many shots that could have just been meh Like they don't waste their opportunities. It's been meh. Yeah But I feel like the 2d animation Whoever's doing the 2d animation or the team or whatever they got to be having a lot of fun Whenever it's time to start fighting shit because like you can see all these cool Streaks and motion blurs and cool particle trails and all that shit looks fun. He says I just had deja vu Unless you've said something incredibly similar that before Well, I just want to repeat I've said it before but I just want to say it again. It's just great. I love it I just remember that exact phrasing like it was like I've heard these exact words before in disorder Jay, welcome to the clairvoyant club All right, we'll use your powers for good. Fuck What's gonna happen tomorrow No, it doesn't work like that. That's not I don't care. I want it to work I said it. Yeah, I mean I said it last episode. I don't care. I'll say it again Oh, if you did say it last episode then it then it wasn't deja vu and And If you said that exactly what we last episode that I was just remembering And fringy's just got me thinking about deja vu and he's poisoned my brain No, I haven't You turned her against me. Hey, look at the scene transition. But boom Yeah, it's like I'm watching archer here Yes Yes Archer has good scene transitions. No, Archer has really good scene transitions The scene transitions in Archer are often fucking jokes that you don't get that any any other show uh So they walk up to Well, they're on like a Just a higher up area that they can spot the last drop It's got security outside of it for now And I think vi is just sort of scoping it out as a potential place to go but Fucking katelin says that looks like a place with bodies in the basement And it's like I remember what I first heard his say I was like, oh, fuck Don't say that Jesus And uh, I think vice is really you have no idea what you're talking about or something like that Um You can see vice super pissed the silco goons are taking over the last drop. Yeah Especially when katelin starts running her mouth What's the thing it's just like that point of view where you just kind of be asked to listen to anything that katelin's gonna come out with Because it'll all be useless and ignorant Yeah Um, but yes, they enter the uh The the bro-tall As they call it And she she's going to visit a lady of the night in order to discuss some things I happen to be aware The doomer you are hyper critical of this scene. You think it's the worst scene in the whole show, correct? Yeah, I don't think it's very close I honestly don't know if it's worth getting into it. Does anyone have any problems with this scene? With which part in particular? Uh any of it. Do you have a problem with any of the breaks basically any any individual element? I I'd have to re-watch it again and pay close attention, but I don't recall having any issues. Um Uh No, what what was uh, what what came to your mind? Okay Uh, I I don't think the scene needs to be here. I think all the characters are acting out of character Basically everything vice as the katelin doesn't make sense. It doesn't make sense based on what she knows. It doesn't make sense based on their characters Um, yeah, I don't know like everything This is the only scene in the entire show where I'm like just like this is just a bad scene Um Like I we can go through the individual like I have all the lines written down if you want me to go through it Oh, absolutely Yeah, that's the thing is I don't know that we had the time and I don't know that the audience 50 minutes so if we can just do this in under 10 Yeah, okay, sure. Um, so there's there's not there's not that many lines So let me so I'll just summarize it as best I can as as a scene for those listening and for those here Can't quite remember so they enter the brothel Uh Katelin is still weary about what the fuck's going on here. She keeps asking questions. Vy says uh You need to How you need to convince people you have something they want in order for them to talk Um, and then kate is like, what are you doing? I was like your heart idiot sort of thing She's like use it You know dear advantage and stuff and then she sends her off with some random guy Vy goes to talk to the I guess owner of this fine establishment And gets information she wants and then leaves And um as she's leaving she spots that katelin is talking to a grill And then she smiles and then what's off that is the scene Duma, would you like to make argument number one? It is worth noting too that that the the gals she's talking to is the same gal that was uh given Looks at clagger True. Yeah, and in the yeah in like episode two um I mean, okay, so the first thing to say is that I don't think this is necessary at all like one of the like One of the cardinal sins of writing is if you can just take a scene and remove it and nothing changes That's a pretty good indication that something is wrong You think nothing is necessary. I guess so I don't think it serves a marriage purpose I guess the first question would be What do you What do you think actually no that would probably be the I was thinking about the other way around right like what what does the scene Like if if the stuff is happening in the scene and stuff is happening. What isn't being advanced? uh, I mean that the What the scene is trying to present as the narrative purpose is that like they're going to go around and like ask people for information and try and Uh, basically start sleuthing um But a lot of the interest scene information is contradictory. So In like one of the first lines is Caitlyn saying how exactly do you propose we go about this? Vi has a connection in here. They don't like they They can just go up and talk to the person That like is most likely to have the information, which is exactly what happens So why would they need to go about things in any particular way? Because Vi's not telling Caitlyn anything Yeah, Vi wants Caitlyn to be elsewhere So Caitlyn has no idea what's going on I mean Okay, so when when Vi says let them think you work here There's no presumption that this is going to work. She just wants her to leave. Absolutely. She wants Caitlyn That's what the whole point was. Yeah, she wants Caitlyn to go off and do something while she could have a chat unsupervised Yes, we just threw her at a rando is like was there any that was that person anyone? Vi wants to do this all herself Um, she has a very specific goal and it's only facilitated by this scene. I'm very curious how this scene could possibly be removed Uh, I mean If she wants to do things by herself then like I don't understand she Like we we just saw a scene where Vi could have been by herself. She Didn't need to wait for Caitlyn. I mean she was completely separated Well, she did that's part of the the convenience of it is the Caitlyn drops down right next to her when she's collecting the clothes Wait, so I thought we established that there was like a time jump where now Vi didn't like wait for her Uh, well, she seems to be walking toward her with the clothing. I don't know if she sat there waiting for her I guess maybe she would have but um, I would also argue that I don't know that Vi wants to leave Caitlyn in uh In just the streets She seems to want her to just stay put here Which is a place that she knows is safe friendly and owned by a friend as well okay, so The next line is you know what your problem is you expect everyone to give you What you want if you really want people to talk to you you have to let them think you have what they want You think this is a justified line given what Vi knows about Caitlyn thus far. Yes. Yes. Yeah why It's true Caitlyn has done nothing but demand information and Answers and you know leads and stuff and it's also just a fairly simple view of top-side is from the The only the only person Caitlyn has tried to get information from is Vi and she was successful Not that successful She's asked many questions and gotten what like 10 percent of the answers she's looking for And remember the scene with with Chungus awesome man the food guy She's just there assuming that it's bullshit and worthless, but like it turns out they're actually achieving something Yeah, Chungus guy sends them here, which this place is important, but we haven't gotten to that yet Sure, but like okay Like okay, this is gonna be hard to discuss without discussing later things. I'll try to not do that but like I think it is a factual statement and not just factual but crucial to Caitlyn's arc that people tend to give her what she wants And that her arc is like rejecting that Do you think she got what she wanted when she was placed in a role that she explicitly says she didn't want? And then she's told to leave the crime scene when she was trying to follow leads And then she's stopped from being an enforcer when she's involved in something dangerous And then she's told to become a secretary that's not involved in anything And then she rebukes all of that and goes out on her own adventure. Do you think that's her getting what she wants from people? Most people are trying to give her what they think she wants and she typically Yeah, they want they're putting her where they want because that's a class that she belongs to she doesn't want to do What they keep forcing her to do Okay, yeah, and she gets again she she gets what she wants she wants to be an enforcer She gets to be an enforcer I feel like you know that that is not Fair as a representation of the environment that she is in compared to where she wants to be It's her opening scene in episode four That she's she's guarding the fair and jace is like, oh, there's gonna be lots of crime at the fair, huh? And she's like, I don't want to fucking be here. My mum put me here Because it keeps her close to her because close and safe And then that gets removed when she's hurt on the job She demotes her again The the only thing that vi knows about her at this point is that Caitlyn wanted information from vi and she gave the information to Caitlyn She gave information to her not much And also, I think it would be reasonably safe as an inference that you as somebody who lives in like the slums Meets like, you know rich kid That they just expect things. That's like an expectation that she yeah, that was my first That she said Yeah, and she's wrong. Yeah vi thinks that the people in the upper part of town. They just get things They're used to just being given stuff Fighting for things They demand thing they get thing and to be fair that shows me you have to bother for things you have to you have to Try and get things because you can't expect things you just can't Which is and it just highlights how much she doesn't know about Caitlyn's life. Caitlyn's a little bit more complicated than that Yes, that's true But Caitlyn has expectations. She's gotten her out of prison She for a very specific reason and she's asking her all the question She needs answers to like what the fuck is our plan? How are you getting information? Where are we going? What are we going to be doing and vi is just eating food like shut the fuck up It's actually it's actually really great when you think about it because it's like the the observation that she's made It's like she thinks that Caitlyn gets all the things that she wants. She just asks for them It's not true though. She doesn't get the things that she wants Her entire approach is like not working So it's like a really good observation of like a problem that Caitlyn has that she can just fix What did vi observe from Caitlyn that led to this statement? What so it's literally prejudiced what we've just been talking about for yeah Like she she thinks that this is what people from like the from pills overthink Like and how they conduct themselves. They don't have to I mean, then it's not an observation. It's like a stereotype Well, yeah, because why is her as a flawed person? She is she is prejudiced and biased Yeah, so part of it part of it is half observation and half of her own like bias against yeah, that's that's part of why the line So good. There's like it's half true in terms of Caitlyn that she does have this problem It's half true in terms of people with Caitlyn, but she doesn't know Caitlyn personally exactly She exactly and it is in part informed by their relationship up to this point because like I said Caitlyn's really been doing is just demanding answers Yeah, you know, meanwhile vi is trying to play the undercity like the way you're supposed to which is a little bit more What are we doing here? Like we're wasting time here eating food. It's like no, we're not. I'm getting information And let's look at this Complimenting the chef and his food probably plays into getting the information she wanted off him as well Well, it's just you you're building relationships. You're uh, you playing the game of of our zone, I guess Okay, I mean there's a lot more I could say but I we should probably just well, do you disagree with all of that or? I mean vi is basically saying like So you do yeah It's a slot perfectly for me. I don't know It all of them say I really like the seed and now I want to address specifically like it could be cut Nothing changes when she speaks to the owner One of the first things we establish is that silco didn't just take over the undercity He took over begrudgingly against a lot of other people who tried to stand up to him and they failed This is very important to This is the first time we really learn about it. Yeah, she's like I see nobody lifts it a finger to do anything And she's like people tried Which I find to be very compelling as uh, it wasn't as simple as yeah Still goes our leader now who is people probably tried to stop him tried to form groups against him They all got killed or surprised the money and the muscle And I guess also to talk like We've kind of glossed over but another really important in this scene This is the beginnings of like the romantic relationship between vi and katlyn. Definitely. Yeah Um, this is the start. It's actually really important in that regard That well, so we got that's two, but I'm gonna add a third This is how she finds out where savika is Yes, so it's plot critical Next scene, yeah Vice crescendo for the episode And so it's doing a lot in a fairly short scene. So yeah, so that will be the question Do you think that the scene doesn't advance any of those things? I think that the scene could be cut and she could just show up at the last drop and savika is there and Like nobody would notice you could do it that way, but that that's like simply that's just a different story You could do it so that she knows like Savika personally goes to a house or like she knew where she like we could do all kinds of no I'm saying I'm saying that the last drop is the most reasonable place for her to go like So she did go there and spotted loads of guards So it's not going to be until it's plot critical that she will go there She would rather go to a safe place It's owned by a friend to get as much information about the updates of what happened in this undercity since she went to prison And what she gets is yes silco's taken over. Yes, we did try to fight back unsuccessfully and yes, uh, savika Is here and I know you want to fucking kill her because she's like the architect of the betrayal behind vanders Some of the people that would have been for him, but then went against him So all that's all categorical I would say and then also like in terms of the the vai katlin relationship if you cut it Then like you are losing something because that's the start Do you disagree with that or? uh I mean like The scene accomplishes something. I'm just saying that like the well, so then it's story the story reason to exist then right? Like if the scene accomplishes anything The scene accomplishes something that doesn't like if you just cut the scene what it's accomplishing wouldn't be necessary But like it's what you cut the scene and this has to be done another way Yeah, we're missing if you cut this we're missing things For example vai catching up on what happened in the undercity Vi knowing exactly where savika is instead of looking out that she's in the last drop at the time she checks it Like why not add more reason instead of removing it and then of course building their relationship and establishing exactly what they think of each other Very quickly. Yep. It's it's like some extra character development That would kind of seem a little forced if we were to get them together at this point without this scene And this is an environment where like it feels more organic that you would have Especially when we're doing the scene where we're trying to build like vai's perception of katlin as well as like katlin's Sort of problems that she's having to deal with It's probably the place to do it Um Well, it's an easy way to get a reference out of her thinking she's hot in a brothel Exactly in a brothel and then and then basically definitively establishing like yeah katlin swings that way and vai is also kind of Like that seems to make her happy It's like, okay, we're getting a lot of stuff like and and it's in five seconds like you do that in five seconds It really expeditious Yeah, and if and vai could have thought that katlin just wasn't going to listen to a damn thing She said but the fact that katlin is now doing what she said and learning She's like, oh, maybe she's not so bad after all planted a little seed, you know I like this scene quite a bit. It's good I do. Yeah Um, so that's that's that's all I've got to say on what's in it and what it achieves Outside of just looking great too. But that's basically the whole show Um, are we do we do we progress? We progress. I'm I'm fine with progressing because we got another one of the best scenes ever There's a lot of those. Um, but you know what this isn't even about jinx about penis man Yeah, this scene penis man One that I did not notice on my first way through and i'm kind of disappointed that I didn't because it's such a like So visually like straightforward as to uh Just tells you a lot about him this image alone and it's it's such a moment of like Shit man. Is that the coin? That's the one. It's like that's the one He capped it I imagine that weighs on him quite a bit Yep We are how many pieces 30 Okay, do you think I said something else? Do you think I got the reference wrong? Is that I thought you said uh 50 for a moment, so I was just clarifying you would have you would have corrected me, wouldn't you? I would have thank you Um, but yeah, we couldn't have been having that He's not having uh, just having a back forth silco silco provides him evidence quote unquote to give to uh jace that the fire lights are behind everything And um, yeah, he gets a little frustrated all uh ol marcus and I think Fuck I I don't know what the because I don't remember like silco's quote I think he says something like do you imagine yourself a hero when he's like struggling with a hero With a grenade in his hand. Oh, it's such a good one to make you Always being yourself as yeah silco just cutting right into a character with ease because he's that good at it Um, yeah, this shit caught me off guard when I first watched the show so this happens I'm gonna pause for copyright. It's a funny place to pause but I think yeah Silco surprised the explosion that it just cuts to black. It's like holy fuck did marcus actually pull the pin um The fact that they play straight into it like there's no cut or anything to make you Believe something different. Yeah. I was like damn Um, yeah, I I didn't I didn't buy it like after the first second of like. Oh shit. I thought No, it's cool. So the main thing in my head was like you wouldn't have killed silco that quickly Yeah But yeah, just that's the conflict in his head. It's what he wants to do Even envisioning himself Happily dying at this point because he's struggling with this all Yeah, he's been struggling for a while. It's mountain on him. He's trapped. What were the repercussions if he'd done that? um, well, I think That's really complicated right because obviously silco knocked out creates Big chaos for I wonder if that would have killed jinx too because she's sitting up there Big power vacuum and then of course, you know that there are other players in uh in the under city if it somehow revealed That he was in cahoots with silco. I don't know if it would to the to the piltove people or just be seen as he was down there and got killed Um, but yeah, uh jinx is down. She's she's sad. She can't get the shit to work And of course, we just had the scene where she literally was beaten by vi from years and years ago She's a sad bunny. Um And I think she even says she can't get their faces out of her head. Um And uh, I think all silco says back to her is uh, fia haunts us all child It's just like There you go again with one line that makes us all go. Hmm Hmm Yeah He's trying to be a good dad Well, that's probably a subject at some point when we get further along with like Plenty of people have talked about that with plenty of strange things to say, you know, I think it's super interesting I like it a lot Um, but yeah Specifically he says we need you to weaponize the hex text soon. You're the only one I can trust with this Like uh, even jinx suggests giving it to the scientist Which by the way is kind of like who dat because uh She says yeah same thing. Oh well. Yeah, okay, uh, but uh, he silco fully believes that she's the one that should have The stone and she's the one that'll be able to make use of it Can you imagine if this shit went to singed? So, um, we got a scene where jason mel they they do a sex They do yeah boy. I was not expecting a brothel and a sex and they even just show. Yeah And while they because you know for a lot of people they'd have to explain it Yeah, I It took my brain a second to catch up. This is the scene that's also got victor working on a science. Yeah, um it's such a dramatic back and forth that he's struggling to work hard enough to be able to save his own life while Jason mel just celebrated the manipulation of the entire council together. It's just like Oh the directions Oh priorities And a good quote from mel just to give you some more info is the medadas usually take from the world It's rare. They can give anything back Hmm. So obviously they see what they're doing is almost entirely altruistic and uh tells you something about a family um But yeah, uh, we actually get a little Sigma a little bit. Yeah a little bit. Yeah Uh, the the girl is like, oh man, wouldn't wouldn't want to go home on my own We'd love you know someone to to give me like a walk home and victor's like busy. Go away. It's like, oh man I'm doing Boom What i'm watching is victor koffer blood full over with that music Yeah, the they they have all the fun. Um, actually, I think is this the imagine dragons cameo Was it any man? And I assume so I don't know what they look like we have the silco jinx. Oh, right. Let's talk about that. So That's just a fucking great scene too. There's a lot of those. Um He is kind of cool that we start out as well that he's beginning like Advice or speech and she's like bored because he's probably it's silco imagine him as a dad He probably gives you like strong advice literally every second you talk to him just constantly advice Um, yeah, he says I almost drowned in these waters and that day I let a weak man die Another was reborn which is obviously in reference to jinx's insecurities that she's been telling him about And that's how she can solve it Is to it's like, what is it? Um, it's a game of thrones quote, right kill the boy And uh the man Something like that Um Betrayal the pain that can make you feel inside out can either break you or forge you into something stronger And then he says jinx is perfect Very much believes in jinx silco. Um, you might even say to an irrational degree But I think especially with episode three's ending He sees what he's doing for her is investing in her in the way that he would have wanted someone to with him And so of course she's perfect Yeah, he's supporting the fuck out of her. Um And I guess validation in the same kind of way. Yeah, which he He gives her a lot of and she does seem to appreciate it quite a bit. Um It's honest. Honestly, I can't believe I'm saying this. It's honestly what she needs to be able to feel stronger and pursue the the hextech stuff And he probably knows that because he's a smart boy But yes, then we get the imagine dragons cameo, which everybody wanted me to mention is cringe. Okay So here we go, like the cringe What are you guys? It's cringe moving on Well, is there anything to say about it? I don't know. I just know it's cringe. Not really. It's just cringe I wouldn't recommend it. It feels really weird It does it's it would have been like if it was really subtle Like if a band was playing in the background And they stayed in the background. Yeah, and it was just you saw him for just a little bit And you're like, oh that kind of looks like the da da da. That's a nice little like easter egg And this is just like we are imagine dragons made music. Look at us Well, yeah, because the song starts and then it shows it's almost like it's almost a music video and it's like Yeah They wanted to get vi to savika and I don't think they could I don't know. Maybe they maybe they thought it'd be cool to give imagine dragons a cameo because you know They work with them a lot. I don't fucking know, but like you can still have it. Just don't make it so over Yeah, I think that's Some people are like, why is it cringe? It's like, I don't know that we can explain it more than that if you don't find it Cringe, that's totally fine. Cringe is not a science. It's a magic. It is The magic of cringe Um, it was actually uh I was talking to goger a bit. He could all e-fap editor about um So many didn't really like elderly fucking hated actually at this scene was the there's um a point in the song It's very much a pop song, right? And it's a point in the song where it like reaches some kind of point and then it cuts to victor in the hospital And he just he felt that's just way too inappropriate Uh the song with the event. Well, I think it's very appropriate because there was so much cringe I felt like I needed to go to a hospital The scene brought and then the scene brought me there It gets worse to me because the song comes back in afterwards. Yes the same point Well, and uh, and at the same time we're dealing with an image like this from marcus's pov. Look at this Fucking top notch nice and simple Oh marcus you poor guy Well, son of a bitch. Yeah um Obviously because like I can't be playing audio to you guys we get thrown off the interwebs But the song is playing dragons would be very they're very proud of their cringe cameo. They would they would stop us That's the thing. Um, you know, I appreciate that they've done work for myself But you can do cameos in all kinds of ways, right? You don't have to do it that way Not like this there's there's better ways. Maybe not like a rich end one was really good. So You know And this thing like that jason Uh victor seems fucking great as well because he just tears look at him And I can't remember what promises, but he just says how much time do I have and you're just like He knew Damn He was like he wasn't ready for this, but he knew it was coming. I guess so you'd say So tragic All victor Um So something that uh, I want to highlight I have an image for it Oh, I'm so prepared We actually see Um, the kids that they fought But older They're all grown up goons Or at least this is the um, this is an image put together by Someone who's a fan of the show. I'm pretty sure they're right on the first two I'm not sure about the middle one. They might be right I was curious if we'd see him again in some capacity Look at him then and now Oh, I didn't let me click on the Oh, okay. Yeah, uh Wow, the second one really aged badly Hey, that's what shimmer would do to you Oh, and um, I'm pretty sure that the idea is that when milo slammed his fucking arm down on Thingy's nose and then she hit it with the plank That he's like got permanent nose damage and he's got that. I'm not sure if that's what they're going for permanent nose damage Call that a broken nose Not the temporary nose I've got permanent nose damage, you know, I didn't know that jay But yeah, it's not visible, but it's um, it's mental Are you gonna get down? It's mental. No, it's physical, but it's not, um, visible Uh, basically the cartilage is broken so I can bend it in ways that you would not expect a nose to bend But by default it sits in a normal nose position But uh, but yeah, this is really neat. Um My nose law A bit of attention to the details, uh, but also in that little thing with imagine dragons Plenty of evidence of things really go into shit Drug use wise compared to when we used to see when our first introduction to them dawn and then I fucking love this bit. It's so awesome When savika's celebrating her her hand that she won and then vise fucking knee just comes out of Nowhere just obliterates her face savika savika really like takes a pounding in this show Consistently all of her fight scenes are bangers though. So I love the Savika is awesome. She's really really Deserves to be a game well Um, give her a robot arm isn't silco the most likely addition to the game first I think probably not coming to the game Savika feels a lot more gamey In terms of the things that you can do with that character with moves and stuff the robot arm Yeah, robot arm thing with the blade. Yeah, especially. Yeah, what you see her do in the last episode. That's that's her ulty right there Yeah Um, that's fucking top lane bruiser of a champion right there. Yeah uh, but this is pretty satisfying in terms of just We they've all aged up and uh Vi is just like you absolute piece of shit Like you're the big reason for why everything happened with vanda meanwhile savika's just like fuck off I've worked like really hard This like I want zoned to be happy too. You piece of shit. So let's fuck it. Yeah, let's fine. Let's fight this league Even do the it's it's it's you know, she's got her own history and it's not about vi like her life doesn't revolve around her I'm not just bad because bad person in exactly um Shots like this. I'm like, oh, I appreciate how big you make vi look good Gotta gotta do that because it makes me help me believe that she's able to pack a punch She's linear Yeah, but um Still still a bulky lass who you muscle on those arms. Yeah um Yeah, it's a pretty good fight And I'm trying to think of parts I can show because copyright's lame But um, yeah, they both hit hard against each other. Um, it's just mostly a matter of attrition. It seems And uh, I'd say vi is more driven, but she uh, savika is getting regular pumpings of shimmer or at least a variant of shimmer uh Makes it pretty threatening, but But they both deal pretty significant damage to each other um Even like has a point where she heats up her arm to like burn vi's face Hmm Metal's not here to tell us what wrestling moves being done. I'm afraid Spirit bomb What's a wrestling move, right? Yeah, I'd believe it. All right, then Don't try to find things to showcase it some way A bit where savika slams behind at the ground is one that I like a lot because of the way the camera rotates with it Very well, I will show that Just as an example, I guess This is kind of the problem. I'm trying to find the best bits. It's like it's also solid that I'm just like which part do I choose? Like they're all really cool the All the camera angles the different choices during the fight of where to hit and how to dodge While you're thinking about that, I'm going to introduce a tangent one of the cool things about 200 cc and mario cut Eight is um because of the way that the game is made originally was was ever there a smoother segue. I think not even attention So 200 cc and mario cut eight. One of the cool things about it is uh because the game wasn't designed for 200 cc Uh, there are elements that are a little bit flippy, but in ways that are cool Like for instance, you can outrun like a red shell If depending on which items you have or depending on how well you're playing you can like outrun it for ages And it's just like that's really cool in terms of a gameplay element that that if you're really good at the game And you can race through a course super quick You you could just like you could avoid items. You could outrun them. That's pretty cool. Um, I have you figured out What's up? I remember you talking about um that being no way to count to the blue shell Yeah, um, you can count the oh well there isn't mario cut eight Because they've got the the horn the super horn that blows remember um jack x If you've ever played that have you played jack? I think I played a little bit of jack x has it has a blue shell equivalent I think it's it's it's the peacemaker. It's called the peacemaker. I think um and Yeah, it just kills whoever's in first place But there's a really cool counter that you have to figure out for yourself Um, and I don't know if this works a mario cut If you're in first place and you you you can see it locking onto you Before it hits you as soon as it's fired you have like a little animation that tells you it's it's coming If you break and you go into second it will then hit the person who overtook you and you will then be in first place again That's it's a really cool way to counter it. It feels great I think that there's that's definitely something that should be like baked into these things like the blue shell always being an automatic I know that in mario cut we if you boost at the right time with a mushroom you can escape it But I think that's a glitch. I'm pretty sure that's not like a part of the design. So anyway, um Yeah, let's uh, let's skip back. We we only got 10 remember when vi evaded a blue shell Yeah, it was crazy. Theo do you want to Do the thing Oh as sure Someone in the discord pointed out to me uh that In the picture uh, it's marcus's daughter drew for him if it's on his desk There's a third figure in the sky along with the two like on the round So that's our indication for the fate of uh, marcus's wife Which we hear that she has died and that's all we get on that. That's fantastic That's a really great detail. It's something that you just miss probably in all likelihood, but it's there That's super good visual storytelling. It's great when you do it really well And uh, yeah, I've looped the uh The moment that Theo was talking about the camera spins with vi Whole fight. It's pretty cool Um shot would be very difficult. Oh well actually not too difficult It's utilizing the format though definitely to get some of these imagery imagery um Vi gets a few good counters on her and then uh Rams her head into a wall, um twice and so savika is like Fucking delirious almost and then she smashes her through a wall And then she's like where is powder? Where is silco keeping her? And savika's like keeping her Fucking works for her like and it's just funny to think about because from savika's POV. She fucking hates jigs Like it's one of the most annoying members of their their team And you got this person being like where is she imprisoned? It's like, what are you? You didn't even know what's going on do you? It's so out of the loop There's a you need to really hurt vi with that as well Yeah, I was about to I maybe I don't want to jump ahead because there's a similar moment I think it's in the next episode where it's basically the same thing but the other way around Um And yeah, so when we're watching this I was like Uh, oh well actually so what happens basically she's asking these questions and vi is fucking confused by what savika tells her Which is very bad news because obviously she's hoping in a sense that powder is a victim not Decided to work for silco. That's fucking nightmare fuel and um She loosens her grip On savika in shock and then savika gets a stab in a in a in a stomach in a tum tum A little hand device That's a real stab to my tum tum She makes one more whisper too as she says she's like his daughter now Yeah, which um, and it's like oh fuck because you've been stabbed you're Not a fight. You're probably gonna win at this point But in the back of my head I was like katelyn would have wondered where vi is She would have gone to talk to the lady and the lady would have said I sent her to the last drop to see savika So katelyn would have the means to get here and she should be here around about now There wouldn't be any reason for it not to arrive And so I was just expecting a gunshot to come through and it knocks out the um Because she's a fucking sharpshooter hits the little injection of shima before it can even go in It's right as it's going in as well and uh Yeah, I think katelyn gets another two shots on her and they both go into her um her arm She's just trying to destroy it But I suppose you could argue she could have just shot her in the head But I wonder if that's indicative of katelyn's goal which is to disarm her not to kill her I don't think she would have just like I don't know that katelyn would have just headshot her right there. I think I think uh, the fact that she's a really good shot would make it Like that that she would take an opportunity to wound an incapacitate rather than kill because she knows she's gonna land the shot Yeah, and I doubt she wants the kind of attention of the person who is Of a guy who's running around and just killed a trencher when she's not supposed to be there. Well, it's fine Letting her get away means they'll definitely know we're here and um, and I think she says whose fault is that like, let's be honest here If I just take someone and chat has pointed out she disarmed her. Yes, she did I I made that joke myself. How did you just? All right, did you I must Like yeah Wow, I'm gonna kill everything Yeah, you're so funny. Don't do that No, just like some stuff You're just mad at everything everything and something. Yeah, like I know it's it's a little bit different a little bit a little bit different Different sort of nobody else in chat heard it. You must read. Yeah, they did. They were literally commenting on it They said ha ha with disarmed to me Then there were people saying they didn't hear it. So someone isn't telling that. Well, not necessarily lying Miss remember Yeah, um I forget the dialogue between them here, but I feel like it's worth mentioning. I just didn't write any of it down my bad um But she's wow Help me up cupcake and it's just a good little Bonus development forum. Caitlin just saved her life. She trusts her. This is neat They're they're working together. It's just like a nice little We're getting there with these two. We're getting there. They got the officer has a pet name. Oh Ain't that nice and she has little bear traps in the game that have cupcakes in them Yeah, yes on Honor if we see any more cupcakes like literal cupcakes in the future Who knows? Um, we did in the first episode and the episode ends With just 10 minutes until our time limit by the way or at least it might be five minutes depends on what's happening with rags but anyway, so vika fucking Bloodily drools her way into silco's office as he's applying foundation, which I think is kind of neat and uh He said oh this by the way is at the same time that jinx has finally stabilized her uh like a homemade hex core Very happy about it Which is obviously what struggle she was having in this episode with like confidence and everything else but So vika says the sister is back and I actually like love silco's delivery From the dead Fuck God, he would hate star walls, wouldn't he? He just makes him a better character From the dead From being Here silco just did every rise of skywalking commenting on this shit Yeah, I want to see silco watching the whole sequel trilogy It's making the meme right now somehow palpatine's returned funk from the dead Yeah, I want Sorry, it's it's one of a bunch of like really humanizing little bits for silco where he's like wait, what the fuck? Because you know, he's a person he can never get How could you possibly have he's been lied to of his uh quick realization, but it's just yeah And that's it. That's episode five Man Re-edit your reviews to add silco in I might try and find a slot for him now because that's funny. Um But Yeah, we we were under under budget and under time. Well, how great not really we were hoping to do three episodes today Catch you loser. Um, that just means next week. We'll probably do four Uh, but yeah, how long yeah, that's exactly what it means next week. We'll do four That's gonna go real well. Stay tuned for next week where we'll do four Are we you're all suggesting that we won't do four that we'll do three and then there'll be a finale episode Is that what you're saying a suggestion is we'll do our best Chad if it makes you feel any better, we're just gonna be working on boba like as soon as this is done So you get that tomorrow will be maybe maybe that video will be like an hour and 40 to 50 minutes Um, yeah, we're making a feature length Yeah, basically and Yeah, we're aim is to get it to you tomorrow. All right, probably around Ideally, yeah, you know a few hours after normally if I'm I'm gonna set that premiere Many hours before it starts up to let everyone get in there in time if I see one complaint like Oh, there's this stuff like several hours banned killed sent to Like But yeah, uh, we're me and fring it very much looking forward to you guys seeing it. So it's uh, it's been a It's been a ride making that one an adventure. Um Yeah, I don't know what else to say cuz I feel like we should probably just stop around here Um, what anything else you guys want to say? What do you have to say about the end of episode five episode five? How did it go? Did you like it? Do you hate it? From the dead It just left me wanting more like all of the other episodes did I would actually argue that yeah, it's it's kind of similar in form I don't know. It's deliberate in any way, but like to episode one and two There's so much I have to say about what's working But none of it really relates too much to like huge emotional stuff. It's more. So just setting our stuff up Is episode six definitely got the sense that momentum we're starting to really build up momentum when moving, you know 679 is the Yes um But I did want to wonder is uh, how did where did circle hear that vi was dead? Marcus told him. Yeah, if you remember remember that becomes a relevant thing. Yeah, and he's like Yeah, I love the way circle explains that scene where he's like your your dad told me that uh an old friend of ours Was with their father like just trying to best explain the dramatics of the situation the english would be dead But a nice language Yeah, um We'll go overall So good. Yeah, this is fucking top dodge We we hear like silco. We're uh, we're pro silco. I wish more silcos were in the world. He's such a nice dude Yeah, I mean look at this face. It's a winning face right there. Don't you want to hang out with this guy? You know the charm in his eye So, um Where's the batwomans they shall make a return after The buggerboat but This is the other thing that's happening is that once i'm done Sorting out the copyright for episode seven I'm gonna add it on to a big old render of all of them put together and that'll be released as one video too Um because it just seems to make the most sense at this point. Why not? It's a bit of fun Um, and I was asking my stream last night whether or not it should be premiered Should I premiere that for the fun of chat messing around or should it just come out? And um, it was a little bit split. I was saying release or premiere And um, I had like votes for either side. I didn't do a poll, but it just like a Curse the area sort of look cursory look it seemed kind of fit 50. So uh chat Say the word release or premiere to tell me what you would prefer to engage with the Complete set of the bow the fat reactions all in one video released on moola probably a week after tomorrow And premiere seems to be dominated Okay, this is way more in one direction than it was last night If if they want to go and see like all of it then all the episodes are already out, right? Well So this is the thing if if they had overwhelmingly voted for release I would be like but why Because it's the same deal. You just have to wait a little bit longer before you can scroll to the end You know, which is a strange restriction, but ultimately as jade just said you could Uh go and look at the other stuff anyway It seems like people want the premiere experience It looks like premiere is dominated. So I don't have to worry about that. Uh premiere the moola cut very well You shall get it. Um, but yeah, I Anything you guys want to talk about before we just we just run off we run away Oh, I suppose not really. Um, I ain't got anything for you No Almost caught myself saying short and sweet, but that is just so not accurate five hour streamer Um, did you pop that? I might have missed it. Oh, right. Hang on Put it up. You should put your eyes put. I sent you on stream as well. I worked really hard on it Did you? Yeah good I don't even know that we would have been able if you cut out the entire present discussion I don't think we could fit episode six in there Because we probably would have stopped midway through Right at the end of five. Yeah, perfect timing. We planned it out from the beginning to be just like this You're welcome all along. We're only going to do two episodes. Good job following the script everyone. Yes I'm sure everyone loved that uh Thank you dover did that on purpose. He didn't actually he didn't actually believe anything he said He just wanted some conflict. Yes. Yeah, it was all for content Exactly, dude. Now. That's what I call an inner conflict. You're a showman doomer. I love you Yeah, I don't know As well as I thought it would It made me feel that's what matters um Yeah, see you all next week for the next installment of our gain coverage until then you will see us tomorrow sort of That's like sort of them seeing us, right? Yes a little bit, but they'll also see us on when We'll we'll have a chat with them. Why will we catch up on today's super chats as well as many more as we can We have the book of boba fat episode eight And we'll be We gotta meet to watch that seven and we're gonna meet to watch that and then afterwards we'll do something You're gonna be great. Yeah, thank you all for hanging out. Thanks for listening. Thanks for donations We're gonna catch them all up and catch you all around next time. Bye. Bye. Bye. Bye Bye. Bye. Bye. See ya. Ciao. See you later. Bye. Bye. Bye. Bye. Bye. Bye. Goodbye. Bye. Goodbye Mine