 The economy roads blocked in Mena as residents protest high living cost in Niger state and Karno state. I am Bola Oba Anfis, is plus politics. Residents of Mena, the Niger state capital blocked major roads in protest against the high cost of living. The protest which occurred in Niger and Karno state simultaneously had women and youths demanding better government efforts to address the rising food cost and poor security situation. Deputy governor of Niger state, Jakubu Gaba expressed his understanding of the ashes faced by families and stated that the government is working to reduce living costs and address the consequences of the removal of petrol subsidies. I think the issue of rising prices is of concern to the government and everybody in Nigeria and some of the major steps which I can point out that have been taken to address this issue because the issue of demand and supply and a lot of emphasis has been placed on increasing agricultural production in particular. The president has intervened in that sector to provide graze, to provide fertilizer to farmers to bring additional acreage rice, wheat and cassava under additional acreage, additional production in order to increase the output and thereby bring down prices and that will help bring down inflation and of course we are in the middle of the dry season farming we are looking forward to good dry season harvest that will help to ameliorate full prices in particular and the price level in Nigeria. His excellency received a report this morning that there is a group of youths and women that are protesting about the issue of economic hardship and already the council is on the process. He directed me the advisor political and the commissioner for local governments to go and address the youths because the issue that comes up is about the issue of hunger and already in the one of the items of discussion in the council is about the issue how do you question the economic hardship of the entire state and how do you relate to the federal government to ensure that yes some policy that will come with human face that our people will not be in the language of this added poverty so we have gone there and we have addressed the youths that actually we are discussing to see how we can bring issue of palliative around the state not only a segment of people that are protesting and I want to tell you that yes not in some few days to come the state government will see interaction to ensure that yes we elevate the issue so that this process will not continue we are democrats and the same people we come on board by people's twill so we cannot just truncate the other feelings we just have to do something to bring circle to the people in response to the protest of the all progressive congress APC as alleged that the position parties are resorted to instigating and suspecting youths to protest following the protest direct manner the capital of Niger state and Karno state on Monday over the airship in the country the national publicity secretary of the party Felis Moka in a statement issued on Tuesday maintained that the protest in Menankarno on Monday were the manifestation of the plot code in its iron desperation to portray all the all progressive congress APC in the administration as underperforming opposition parties are resorted to instigating and suspecting young people to protest in the streets of some major cities quotation continues the protest in Menankarno on Monday were the manifestation of this deviate and unprotected plot that the protest happens simultaneously in both cities is not coincidental quotation continues it bears the birth stamp of an orchestrated and coordinated effort to instigate unrest and undermine the government Felis Moka in a position tactic is clear and present threat to public peace and national security unquote he said joining us to look at this is public affairs analyst and former president of the Nigerian-German business group Joe Fermi Daguro and chairman of the Northern State Civil Society of Nations Ambassador Ibrahim Waia and also joining us is the executive director center for social justice Mr. Eze Onyekore gentlemen welcome to post politics thank you Mr. Daguro are you there Mr. Daguro yes I'm with you how would you want to respond to the fact that some citizens, some fellow citizens felt so outdone by irrespective of what may be the allegation of the of the spokesperson of the APC felt so outdone by that they had to come on the streets to protest about their ashes what was the take of that first look at it from the point of agony and pain it's not only the people in the north facing this problem the Nigerians are facing the problem wherever they are and they are expressing it maybe not all of them have gone on to this free but if you have close relationship with people in all corners of Nigeria most people, most Nigerians are complaining of one thing or the other as of today and we have to understand it the political parties, the ruling parties they will always accuse the opposition but it's a natural thing for that to happen all over the world you remember in Zimbabwe in those days the president will always blame Blair for everything that happened in Zimbabwe so it's not new that the APC we accuse the opposition and when PDP was there they were accusing the APCA and all the opposition parties as well so that is a natural thing to happen but the most important thing is for us to look into the situation what is causing this protest what is causing the anger what is causing this pain we all know that a lot of things have gone within the last few months people expected that the subsidy removal will bring a kind of relief to their pain because the supported government they knew that it's going to be painful and I have said it in a couple of places that it's not going to be immediate this thing will take some time before we begin to see the good effect of the removal of the subsidy but the pain is this when you see the lawmakers when you see some government official their lifestyle you begin to wonder are we not in the same country and lately when you see the amount of billions that has been mismanaged or stolen whichever way you look at it it gives a lot of people concern we are in the same country where all these things are happening and some cannot afford to buy bread look for bread right now stolen the slices cost about 1,700 some places are 1,500 what was sometime ago 500 Naira so you see even orange juice and all those things that people would drink this has gone up three times so it's a lot of pain and the people are feeling it so whether you like it or not it is not until when the position party will be sponsoring anybody I think this is that pain has got to that level but I just want the government to know that this should not be allowed to spread around all other states the pain is not only in the north it's in the western states everybody doing people are complaining Baistar Ezeo Yekore it is almost certain that the opinion of your colleague may not be unique to him many Nigerians out there perhaps believe that government is profligate that the people in government are living ostentatiously operating themselves in a manner quite inconsistent with the very dire economic circumstance that majority of Nigerians find themselves is ironic indeed that if on the one hand the conducts of those who are in government don't seem to reflect the hardship that the majority of citizens are feeling is even ironic that the seeming lack of anto of the economic situation especially the ravaging inflation the IPA inflation is worsening people's condition how would you what would you want to start from Baistar Ezeo Yekore alright thank you for that question as you can very well see that the reposition of the spokesperson of the APC I would like to say with utmost respect is quite delusional in the sense that it is evident before all Nigerians that the conditions of living has degenerated so badly that people are finding it difficult to meet the basic needs of feeding themselves and taking care of their families and for the spokesperson of the APC simply to believe that those who are so hungry those who are poorly housed those who can transport themselves to their places of work will need an opposition party to remind them to protest against injustice against insensitivity of the present government that's why I say it's quite delusional and I don't want to agree with the last person who said it will take some time for us to see the positive impact of fuel subsidy removal that's not true we are not paying 617 Naira we are paying 11980 suddenly you jacked it up and the government is now making about 400 and something Naira per liter of fuel sold now in the past under Abacha who we have talked so badly about when he removed a little cover from fuel subsidy he set up the PTDF and we saw what PTDF achieved rightly or wrongly when the much maligned Jonathan removed a little of the fuel subsidy after some more protests he set up Shopee and we could see what Shopee achieved whether he said there was corruption in it or not now you are getting 417 Naira 418 Naira per liter where is that money going to anywhere all you are seeing is increasing a location to states and the government is sustaining the money all you are seeing is increasing resources at the federal level and the amount of money the federal maybe the national assembly is taking is bloated up from 190 million Naira the executive propose 344 from about 170 for the judiciary they are bribing them to over 300 billion and you see all kinds of expenditure blowing up in the 2024 budget so that money that was taken away from the people that the people used to enjoy we are expected that you have earmarked it in specific sectors education health agriculture transportation it will alleviate the conditions of life of the common people rather you simply took the money away from the people and at the state level we are top level politicians are simply stealing the money and they are the ones responsible for why the value of the money is depreciating each time they share that money they are throwing the foreign currency to go and try to combat it to dollar I am not going to play politics with you hello hello yes I am hearing you the federal government may want to claim that you know what as a result of the removal of subsidy and the and the nominal increase in the amount of revenue garnered that the dispensations to the states have increased that the president took the pain to give two billion dollars each to every governor to find a program to provide soco for the hardship that the people may be facing to alleviate it that they have that is similarly more important that this juncture as a result of the circumstance of the former suspended minister but I would do just before I go to before I go to Ambassador Brian Warrior I would do respond to that retort just re-asshing the reins of the federal government yes that is simply p-notes that you give two billion to a governor to respond to the massive poverty in a state of over five to seven to ten million people you cannot scratch the soft turn of course you knew that the governor did not apply what happened to the servants that accrued to the federal government it will have made sense if the federal government is saying gas is cheaper to power public transportation by now the federal government should have been able to process not less than four to five thousand public mass transit buses running on gas which will help to reduce the cost of transportation indirectly the cost of food by now the federal government will have put much more money into basic healthcare so that people can afford to go to the hospitals the poorest of the poor without having to okay I'll come back I'll come back to you soon I'll come back to you later let me go to Ambassador Brian Warrior Ambassador based in one of the states where people some people thought they had had enough and they went on the street and the spokesperson of the APC is now is seen waiting that people coming on the street may be a kind of gunboat opposition strategy I wouldn't want to put you in a partisan political way but from the feelings that you had from those who went out yesterday in Karno would you think it was driven by partisan Moti well um it's quite really unfortunate that at this time around in this country was to play this kind of dirty politics dirty politics in the same that we're still doing things that are really misleading there are situations when politics is over it should be over there are situations when issues to do with election campaign activities should be over but just only time for governance when you're talking about time for governance then you are talking about everybody whether somebody is a partisan or not partisan the responsibility of providing a care that he deserves as a citizen is really on the shoulder of the leader who has been elected president was elected by Nigerians regardless of party affiliation regardless of partisan sentiment and other things like that and he got vote for an old part of the country so at that time there was nothing like party partisan sentiment is now that because people are just really agitated for the right thing to be done nobody would actually argue on what is actually happening in this country everybody has really I cannot justify that it's really high cost of living all over inflation more than 30% now the cost of things going high all the time no any price control nothing like that people are also being subjected to unprecedented difficulty in the country all over and everybody is feeling that and somebody also people have decided come and show their own anger with a view to draw the attention of the president himself and other people who are stakeholders especially the governors to do something that is needful and somebody who just only is speaking a long partisan sentiment is unfortunate I am really happy with this on comment but one thing I want to clear that those people that were actually protesting in Canada they are not jobless people mostly they are business community because even the governor had a meeting with them yesterday most of them they are traders businessmen women only that they understood that situation or what is actually going on in the country is unfortunate even though they are into business income and which really they are all engaged so they are productive members of the society they are not the kind of people that you can think that they could be employed by anybody and somebody could just only induce them into coming on the street to protest they are genuinely championing a cause which everybody should key into that and everybody should really be facing in the country is quite really unprecedented because with the removal of those substance let me go to your colleague let me go to your colleague on a very important issue please let me go to your colleague Mr. Daburo you used to be a chieftain of the Nigerian German Nigerian German Chamber of Commerce and we got to Alosa Nigerian German Business Group in Germany oh Nigerian German Business Group we have had two administrations now touting the fact that Siemens and the German Government indeed before the incumbent the incumbent German Chancellor came in the former Chancellor and the Bwari Administration they have been touting that the German Government and Siemens would help us attend to this power issue what feelers can somebody like you give a public on the reasonableness of that expectation or is it what is seemingly I don't want to sound cynical is it what is seemingly the the tendency of Nigerian governments now to just give information that will sweeten or make people happy without any good substance to it like you said every country as at this moment has a kind of a problem or crisis like it or not even in Germany most countries around the world have one crisis or the other and they are trying to resolve it to solve it themselves but it's unfortunate that little things here we quickly run out and we are looking for people to help us to solve our problems and most of the problems we can solve ourselves but this is just like the gentleman was saying it is not as if I was to come back to your question now when you remove subsidy planning all the other plans must have been made to be able to determine how to spend the money how to allocate it to all those areas he has mentioned but I think there was no plan in number one and when this was done we couldn't come together to be able to identify those places yes there was mistake made in some of these shops and all those things but there are things that are good and things that are good should be looked into and make to work we don't have statistics, we don't have data to make things work in this country we are talking about social benefits and we can't really do that so given the state government money or local government money where will this money go we have to be more transparent I read, gave us some billions and now we can't trust the billions you are reading in the country in the newspapers that even the judiciary billions are missing so a lot of all these missing money where do they go to the bankers have to be called to other so a lot of things have to be done to make Nigeria work we are Nigerians so when you say Siemens will come here Siemens is not coming to just do for the Christmas Siemens is coming on a business level they are prepared to work because it's going to fetch their money and they are going to, it's a profitable business but the point is this how are we ready how are we prepared, Siemens from what I understand they are ready to come in but we have to do our bit are we doing our bit, we have seen lately a lot of issues with the Manbila project till today we are still we are still looking for where the mistake comes from so we will continue to do all these things in another 4 years we may not be able to get it right so let's do one thing I have said it let's do one thing and get it right if we want to do the electricity issue let's confront it while we are doing all the things and make sure that it's done right if the roads, listen even when we have electric vehicle, are they not going to apply the roads are the roads good for that where will they recharge this electric vehicle batteries so a lot of things have to we can't just come out and say we are doing this we are doing that while we want to do this and we will assure you the people are tired of this and that is why I said we have to they want to hear from the president they want to hear from their leaders they want to know where we are where we are going they know where we are coming from and they know where we are we are now having pains so Siemens has promised this is what we can do and now what is disturbing and what is delaying it but don't forget we have enough money to back up some of these things we have promised the people so a lot of things have to be really put in order and that is why today you see that most businesses are collapsing and most businesses we close up because most of our raw materials most of our things we need even in the manufacturing sector we have to import them and we cannot import some of these things when we continue to have policies that are not consistent if you said today this is the rate you want to charge tomorrow you are changing the rate and then that will disturb the foreign investors coming and then we will not have direct foreign investment coming into the country as we have planned and promised the people that we are bringing investors investors don't want to come into this kind of area and then you have to look into the security side of it so the economic issue is there the security aspect of it is there so many issues and you know the only thing now that we have to do is to make sure that we don't promise what we cannot do let's do what we can let's do what we can and let's stop all these and the waste of the little resources that we have and let's begin to look into corruption seriously it is not good enough for us now to begin to steal the money that we have why should anyone be stealing the money at this point in time the one that have been stolen in the past let's bring them in but please let's stop stealing what we have now we shouldn't be stealing any money from now and anyone caught stealing and during money right now we should be executed within a short period of time and let's send signal to others who might be planning to steal or who are already stealing and they should know what is going on unless we begin to be transparent let me go to let me go to about this time I would suppose that the exchange rate at which the subsidy was reduced was removed and given the reality the reality of the exchange rate that prevails now by this time here it is almost like the subsidy is just a necessary permitted measure made about to Nigerians because it is somewhat functional although at this juncture given the rate of given the rate of Naira Naira is the exchange rate to the dollar I would respond to that and any other thing that you want to or plan on the expectation was that in doing these things you were first of all going to increase the source of NM foreign exchange and the immediate source of NM foreign exchange is from the oil sector we all knew that in the Bwari era NMPC was not performing we are not meeting a open quota two things were partly responsible I had the money was being stolen at an aggravated level at NMPC or that there was gross negligence of the performance of duties so I had expected that the president would have removed that leadership and considered a new one with a new capacity because whether it is stealing or whether it is gross negligence none of them is good enough so today we have a situation where we can't even meet an open quota the high and down military final which we hope that by the time it starts operation that it will help us reduce the price of oil or self foreign exchange today we can't even supply crude oil to the dangote refineries dangote is importing crude oil from the united states so what we will have gained by stopping the importation of refined petroleum products we will lose it again when dangote has to import crude and we are still not meeting an open quota so it is not a question of somebody sitting as a president or somebody sitting as a minister of petroleum or finance minister you have to act that through and presenting who has no business reserving the petroleum ministry for himself he is too busy he doesn't have the capacity and the other people he appointed around him everybody knows they don't have the capacity forget the arrogance forget the grand standard so as far as I'm concerned we need to rejig a lot of things appoint right people in right positions have a more positive and honest disposition towards the economy and by the time we do this stop our theft imagine we are selling 2 million barrels of crude oil today or 2.5 million barrels it will help us a more dollars to show of the value of the national currency rather than the currency on a free fall so as far as I'm concerned there's a lot of issues around mobility of pollution of the present leadership they have to climb down from the highways address Nigerians acknowledge their failures and seek help get Nigerians who are competent and who have honesty and who have capacity to begin to address the fundamental defects in this economy is not beyond us and they must make sure that whatever service we done from oil subsidy removal are properly channeled to the right sectors let me go now to ambassador Ibrahim Waya ambassador as the chairman of the civil society organizations I think you're better placed to intimate public with the the economic situation and the very palace security scenario of northern Nigeria these are two major major I don't even want to use the kind of words flitting with my tongue but it is almost inevitable that the people in the southwest, the south-south and the southeast complain given the situation in the north now so some of us are not surprised that protests took place in Kano and Mina although the spokesperson of the APC believes that it was politically orchestrated how would you want to describe the situation in the north now ambassador alone okay let me go back to Mr. Daguro Mr. Daguro we are the situation where it is almost certain that the government needs to review some of the strategies the government needs to come clean and stop pretending as though they have the undo hello can you hear me is that Mr. Daguro no hello yes okay did you hear the question I asked you before before the connection went down hello let me come to his rescue there I think the most important thing we have to begin to look like what the gentleman before me spoke now is like I said we have a problem at hand before the president came in he knew there was a problem the only thing that he wouldn't be able to say much of this problem because he belongs to the same party APC right we acknowledge the problem we give him the power to continue to do what is right so doing what is right the central bank came in the when you don't have anything to back it up even other foreign go back to Mr. Daguro other foreign agents and foreign groups they said that we don't have the capacity to manage such a thing so when we pretend that we can do all these things it is not going to be good for all of us I am saying and I support the gentleman that we cannot continue to deceive ourselves even a primary school child they understand the economy of Nigeria that is hot in them most people cannot eat again properly let me quickly go to let me quickly go to this cost has gone up let me quickly go to ambassador ambassador as one who relates with civil society civil society across the north I was asking you what is the situation economically and security wise of the north now well actually you know very well we have gotten the national statistics which has already been reviewed by the national view of statistics the north is at a disadvantage position economically because the 134 or 37 million Nigerians that are facing multi-dimensional poverty 65% of that total amount is in the north how terrible is the economic situation in the north it has already indicated the number of the states that are so much a lot of the city from particular states in the north west and in the north east and so few in the north-central that are facing so much poverty so this is to tell you that honestly we feel the impact more than the southern part of the country and this may not really be unconnected with probably some of the national policy that are really being implemented or formulated by the federal government that there is actually inequality when it comes to response to certain things that is why we are talking about even the policy that federal government introduced of the reason of really creating some of the department of the civilian and the rest of that economy cannot work in a nation where there is so much concentration of all economic activities in it just only one particular region of the country is not done if you look at 80% or 90% of the commercial banks we have in this country are all concentrated in the southwest then how do you expect financial inclusion to work how do you expect people to participate economically in the economic activities in their own country completely you cannot have access to just only a facility a simple facility of 10 million you cannot have that but in the south one can have access to billions of money this file apart that a lot of business is going on and we deposit money so that is actually the imbalance so until and unless one this imbalance is actually going to fight without saying or contradicting your submission the irony for some of us is that the greatest asset of any society on the face of the earth or the greatest asset of any country on the face of the earth is the human capital element the people I am coming sir I am coming there is a cabin there that is only if you decide to make it productive let me finish my question let me finish my question so I am thinking it is obvious that the federal government is throwing everybody I feel the ability on that but what are the measures what are the strategies what are the policies that civil society people like you are engaging the government especially at the level of the states to impact the quality of human capital development as in scarce acquisition micro enterprise because we have to start from the point and we know that the federal government I feel I agree with you in fact I am one I am very honest with you I am one who believes that the so called excuse that some people are giving that they should move something to Lagos Lagos is congested apart from the fact that the traffic it will increase the cost of putting children in school because all these people will come and put their children in school apart from the international airport any time from I have one of my businesses around that area I have a Chinese school any time from 2.30 pm to 6 pm if you really want to move between MMA2 to international airport you can spend up to 2.5 hours for a journey that should take less than 5 minutes but how do you say that what are the governments of the north doing to harness this this powerful resource I just know more than 2 hours that I just came up for a meeting I have been in a meeting for 2 days in Abuja and part of the meeting is to discuss generally about the issue of the insecurity in the north particularly in relation to economic activities in relation to poverty and under development and we were able to analyze everything and at our conclusion we all understood that most of the issues to do with the issue of the insecurity one of the key driver of that is the poverty the under development the poverty that has already been inflicted on the people by those people in government is one of the cause or is one of the leading driver of the insecurity because people are redundant, people are not doing anything well people have involved themselves with the public money so one of the things that we engage the EFCC if I could remember we engage in that if we really need to be serious in this country apart from the economic policy that we really need to introduce which is actually going to be realistic because we are just only a consumer country not a manufacturing country, we are only a consumer country we don't expect anything so you cannot really in any way expect anything good to come to Nigeria but one thing we can take advantage and leverage on that is the looted money that is in the hands of the looters let us be very very frank let us be very practical if really we want to fix the economy the money that is in the hands of the looters the public looters is enough to turn around the economy let me go to a colleague because we are in a democracy and it's not somewhat easy to just line up the looters and strip them of their loot the rule of law and the criminal justice system are there to be used and these guys have enormous resources when the state is presenting circulated lawyers they will go and get senior advocates of Nigeria because they've got deep pockets that is the same problem from that way that is dragging us back let me go to a lawyer I'll come back to you let me go to a barista Onyekore is a conscientious patriot who has always consistently over the years have known him spoken to the need for good governance spoken to the need for accountability especially economic accountability in governance and somebody who believes that we must tidy our policies to get good results barista Onyekore how does someone like you for all the years that you've been out there calling for good governance calling for things to be done right especially in the economic sphere how does somebody like you feel now and what would be the ideas that you want to put on the table because I know you are not a mona and you are not a wella you would rather trade on suggestions what would be the ideas because people are looking at the central bank governor but the central bank governor does not have a manufacturing outfit he does not produce dollar he only is like a banker to the government and like my banker now if my economic situation is bad I have to re-address my economic situation is not my banker so what we do want to tell the government about a fiscal policy a fiscal policy that we make Nigeria more productive than all this tinkering that they are doing with forex and this and that will amount to nothing your response please barista it is beyond fiscal policy is a holistic approach to governance which will involve one fiscal policy it will involve monetary policy it will involve trade policy industrial policy and the whole rush of all other policies will rise in education health and they have to be consistently packaged in such a way to deliver results after you first that to float your currency you need to get a new consistency of revenue and for now the oil and gas sector appears to be an immediate hope and the best way to do it is to increase production once we increase production with the price of crude oil we are going to get more revenue in terms of dollars which will help us to show up the value of the currency the second one which is quite important is about security there is no way people will not complain they cannot feed themselves if people cannot go to their farms if those who have already planted cannot harvest and if those who are harvested cannot even add value to it because of insecurity the news coming out of Nigeria since the end of the year whether it is Jaws or other parts of Nigeria in the south west or in Casino is an insecure nation and no investor will bring these resources into a place where he is not even sure he is going to be alive to read the dividends this is a very strong point that needs to be addressed if we are going to come out of this economic nightmare then number three we have to begin to intensify this battle against corruption and introduce a more transparent way of doing things for instance this national social register upon which a minister is being accused so you are transferring money to the individual is shrouded in secrecy why don't we put up all the list of persons local government by local governments town by town word by word on a portal electronic portal where I can go to my own state on my own local government on my own world when you put the names of those who are not qualified there I will be the first person to shout people in my village are going to shout and those names are going to be removed and that same register also influences the register they use for the basic healthcare provision fund which takes about 1% of the consolidated revenue fund of the federal government so if you clean out the national social register it will also help us to clean out the register that people use to benefit from free medical services under the basic healthcare provision fund and then all the other sectors whether it is state fund, whether it is soil introduce more transparency there shouldn't be a reason where somebody will be managing billions of naira and yet he believes that nobody should know is managing it as if to say it is on his own and the process of transparency the process of opening up and cleaning it has to be above board we been complaining I mean look at the last situation the chief justice is either bringing his daughter daughter in law again after he has put his son and everything to become a judge is it only family in Nigeria qualified to be judges and everybody is talking and the man doesn't send anybody he doesn't care, he's not bothered about the scenario and so that's an unfortunate situation where we have ourselves today I am talking because I am not playing politics and being straight to the fact we need to call out men even in the highest level of positions otherwise if we don't call them out and call a spade a spade we will continue this treatment let me start winding down by going to Mr. Dagunro Mr. Joe Fermi Dagunro how would you want to wrap it up from your end if you have suggestions but let's keep it within a minute Mr. Dagunro exist here oh okay ambassador ambassador Brian Warrior how would you want to wrap it up how would you want to wrap it up please well actually the way I I really want to wrap it up I want to emphasize that if really we are to be serious we are to be in one even before going into a long term maybe strategy of addressing this kind of economic challenges there are immediate ones immediate ones like I said nobody knows about the money that is being recovered by the EFCC what is actually being used for nobody can tell you how much money the only thing that you hear in the news that so so amount of money has been recovered so so amount of money so so properties have been recovered but nobody can tell you what exactly has been recovered and how the money is changed and ambassador ambassador you don't think you don't think some of these announcements are hypes meant to just make people feel that some of these agencies are working one it is obvious that they may indeed be you know quote on quote as a friend of man who say in street parlance they may be treating with their lots or the prostitutes these things may just be no it's not like that that is one of the accountability actually practices that we require even the EFCC them so they need to account to the people they need to really be account account into the people they need to be accountable whatever they do if they recover that money if they channel the money to the city or something like that let the people know and let the federal government come to tell the people that is it exactly what they are doing the money for that is it unlike what the Sinusi the Sinusi was saying he was asking the NFCC where is the Dallas now that there is no subsidy so where is that money the money that is actually meant for the subsidy where is the way it is the reflation the reflation should be seen so where is the Dallas that is actually one of the things that we should be acting and the agency should be accountable to that should be accountable to the citizens okay we really have to we really have to wrap it up about this juncture gentlemen you have been wonderful resource persons you have added some great value to the brand of the program we really appreciate you we look forward to some of the opportunities soon to engage with you thank you gentlemen this is where we wrap it for today I am Bola have a good evening