 Welcome Michael, good to see you. Maybe you could just walk us through these two resolutions and I think we'll be ready to take a vote and send them up to the secretary's office. Good morning members of the Senate Economic Development Committee for the record. I'm Michael Churnick. I'm one of the staff attorneys at legislative council and I primarily write resolution. I'm going to start with the George Floyd resolution if I may. That's the file I happened to have opened up first. That's all right with the committee. This is what I'm still calling 1037. I know it now has an S res number. This is a Senate only resolution, which means that should the Senate decide to pass it, it does not go to the house. Will not appear in the action resolves, but it's one chamber vote. And Senator Rahm is a sponsor. And by the version I have right now, I know there are others since then, I believe. I just want to say on the record that the full list of co-sponsors is in yesterday's Senate journal. I know that might not help the general public, but it'll show that there's far more co-sponsors. Right. And I, Senator Rahm would have to say who they are because I do not, the version I have in front of me at this moment, I only have your name. With that being said, the resolution is relatively concise and it reads as follows. And before I go explain it, I just muted yourself. We'll start again. With the one preliminary remark I wanted to say is to explain that this is a Senate policy resolution and not a concurrent because it calls for a day of remembrance and action. And that indicates public policy. And once you get into the public policy realm, it needs to be a policy resolution and not a concurrent. With all that being said, here it is. Senate resolution honoring the memory of George Floyd by designating May 25, 2021 as a day of remembrance and action. Whereas on May 25, 2020, four Minneapolis police officers, including Derek Chauvin, responded to a call that George Floyd, a black man, was attempting to pay for a purchase with counterfeit currency. And whereas despite George Floyd's pleas, Officer Chauvin knelt on George Floyd's neck, unabated for more than nine minutes, and he became unresponsive and died. And whereas Officer Chauvin was charged with third degree murder, second degree murder, and second degree manslaughter. And whereas on April 20, 2021, a Minnesota trial court found Officer Chauvin guilty of all three charges. And whereas this verdict offers a historic opportunity for our nation and state to adopt a new course towards the administration of justice that is sensitive to America's racial diversity and the historic and continuing tensions between Americans who are black, indigenous, or persons of color and the law enforcement community. Now therefore it be resolved by the Senate of the State of Vermont that the Senate of the State of Vermont honors the memory of George Floyd by designating May 25, 2021 as a day of remembrance and action and be it further resolved that the Secretary of the Senate be directed to send a copy of this resolution to the Vermont Human Rights Commission, the Executive Director of Racial Equity, the Vermont chapters of the NAACP, and the Vermont Congressional delegation and the resolution. Thank you, Michael. I also just checked page 1147 of yesterday's journal and it has all 30 names. So every senator is on the resolution. We hope our names made it on anyway. It is. I'm not a, I'm not a big fan of resolutions. I obviously signed on to this one and have signed on to others. But thank you for being here, Michael. I've learned a little bit more about the whole resolution process just by your, your, your introduction that was good. So I have a question not to change this or to do anything, but the term and action. It doesn't seem like that's defined anywhere, right? We just left a common parlance for that. That is. It's muted again. No, I shouldn't be now. Okay. No, you are again. Okay, there you go. I should be okay, Senator. My apology. My technical apologies. The term and action was the language that the sponsors. I'm sorry. Can you hear me, Senator? Yeah. I'm getting a, I'm getting a little sign in front of me. Temporarily muted. I'm not sure where. That you just muted yourself again. I don't know why I am not touching it. In any, in any event, Senators. I think you'll have to defer to Senator Rom. She had asked me to use that term and I used it. And beyond that, you'll have to ask Senator Rom. Okay. Yeah, I don't know that the organizations who are calling it George Floyd day of remembrance and action. Have necessarily defined either of those terms, but there will be a call to silent reflection for nine minutes and 29 seconds. The length of time that Derek Chauvin was kneeling on George Floyd's neck. You know, I don't know if that's what he said, but I don't know where he died. And there is a general call to action as well for that day, that it not just be a day of remembrance and reflection, but that people in their own communities decide what that means and what that looks like. Hold community events. You know, commit to. We have the advantage at this point of sort of, it's so close in time that we pretty much. At least organizationally know what the actions are going to be, but I don't know if that's what he said. I think the question I had is. Is there any, it may be dumb, but it was already thought of like. Sending this to a more personal level to somebody. As opposed to organizations. Like family. Recognize this. Oh, that's a nice idea, actually. I mean, I certainly think no one would be opposed and would appreciate that. I'm looking at Michael a little bit because we're constantly tracking down addresses for things like that. Do you have a, I think I could do some searching right now for a sort of memorial site from his family. Yeah, it would be great just to add his family. I think it would be great for them to know that even in a little old Vermont, we're thinking of them and, and dedicating a day to his memory and action. So I may Michael, Michael, you just muted yourself again. You're strange. It's happening when I'm not touching it. What I can do and I've done in a number of cases, I can add and the family of George Floyd and then during the morning we can, we can do it. You muted yourself again. Somehow you're getting muted. I'm putting the mouse now a very far distance from my hand. No, I'm not using it. I can add senators and the family of George Floyd. And then I can see if there's a memorial organization or I'll track down address during the morning. Okay. But that will require a. You're muted again, Michael. I'm sorry. Perfect. Yeah. My apologies. I do not know why that's happening. Can we go on to the next one? Now he's frozen. It's a connection problem. I have them both open. Okay. So why don't you jump in and why don't you lead us through the next one? If you can hear us, you're frozen. You might want to exit and enter again. It sounds like a system problem. And I've had that happen to me before where it just simply goes in. And or for it or freezes. And it's a system problem connectivity problem. Is it too late to add Michael Churnick to the broadband bill? Probably wise in his office all the time. Okay. So he did that frozen to gone thing. So. This, the resolution. Is it on our website? It should be now Nathan knows where exactly it is because I couldn't find it this morning, but. It's SR 10. They're both posted. They're both posted on today's date, I think. Thank you. So you'll see it has 20 co-sponsors. I think others wanted to, to be part of it. Senator Brock indicated to me that he tried to tell Bloomer, but things were confusing that day. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't have 24 hours to draft this one as well. But it's Senate resolution condemning anti Asian and anti Pacific Islander hate in the United States. And recognizing May 2021. As Asian American native Hawaiian and Pacific Islander heritage month in Vermont. Much of the language is drawn from. The federal acknowledgement of Asian American heritage month. As well as. Some language from the stop a API hate reporting center, which is reporting 6,603 incidents of hatred directed at Asian Americans from March 19th, 2020 to March 31st, 2021. And those incidents increasing being on the rise over the course of the pandemic. So the resolution starts by honoring the contributions of. Asian American native Hawaiian and Pacific Islander. And the first responders health care providers and medical scientists. It notes the historic election of Kamala Harris as our first vice president of South Asian heritage. It acknowledges that the hatred of Asian Americans. That's on the rise may have contributed to the national. To the recent shootings of six Asian women in the Atlanta state. In the United States. The U.N. anti-discrimination group. Hate incidences reported. It notes that 12 and a half percent were categorized as physical assaults, including against the elderly. And 65% were classified as verbal harassment. It notes that in August of 2020. The U.N. anti-discrimination groups issued a joint document reporting that racially motivated violence against Asian Americans. And the U.N. anti-discrimination group. In the 29th of 2021, the U.S. Senate by unanimous consent passed Senate resolution 200 condemning recent hate crimes commended against Asian American Pacific Islanders and calls on federal and state officials to expeditiously and vigorously investigate reports of hate crimes against Asian Americans and Pacific Islanders and hold perpetrators accountable. The Senate passed a joint resolution on the presidential proclamation about the importance of Asian American contributions and to the strength and cultural diversity of our nation. And now then be it resolved directs this by the Senate that we condemn anti-Asian and anti-Pacific Islander hate in the United States. Recognize me. 2021. As Asian American native Hawaiian and Pacific Islander heritage month in Vermont and direct the secretary of the United States to the more increasingly formal organization in Vermont. It's called a Pita Vermont Asian Pacific Islander Dacey Americans of Vermont. For those of you who don't know, Dacey Americans would be like me. Someone who identifies from the larger South Asian, you know, continent subcontinent with India, Pakistan, Bangladesh, et cetera. And directs a copy be sent to the congressional delegation. Thank you for this. I just had a question out of curiosity. If you have any idea where it says. The number of these incidents having increased significantly during March. 2021. Is there any like. Explanation for that. Did anything happen in March of that year that they. That I jumped. Do you know, I don't know, but I mean, I can, I can just report informally. That I think that's when a lot of incidents were, were sort of broadcast on video. There were video videos capturing. Significant violence against Asian American elders. It may have. It's also when things started to open back up. You know, so I think it's more a function of where we were in the pandemic. And maybe copycats. Seeing it start to happen across the country. Instead of the hope. And horror of the whole thing, the publicity around it. Made it worse. The publicity often generates copycat. The West coast was plagued with this during March. And before, I mean, the stuff that was happening on the streets with older people was just appalling. Okay. Anybody have any questions or concerns or we'll just move on to a quick vote on both of these. I think, let me just see if Becca can join us. Cause I know we could hold it open for her. Well, no, actually probably can't because I don't know. I don't know when we're going to be meeting again. So I'd rather just get it up there. She could certainly vote on the floor on it. Yeah. I mean, certainly writer and ask her if she wants us. If it's important to her to vote. Yeah. So, so I think, I mean, Michael definitely confirmed he could add the piece about George Floyd's family. So we do that. We do that as a committee amendment or. I think this is this, this has been introduced already, right? Yes. And it was assigned to our committee. So we have to do an amendment. So we'll vote on the amendment first. And I, I don't know if it can be a committee member. I think it has to be by. It has to be a committee member. It has to be by. Individuals. Well, let's. Just wait, just waiting on if you hear back from Becca, we'll give her a few. From Becca, but you know, it hasn't been a whole minute yet. Right. Right. And if she, you know, we'll certainly. I don't know how much more work we have to do this morning, but if she gets back to us at any time. I think we'll have to vote. Have we made a decision? So is the decision. I think we have to resolve the 159 stuff that. You know, the non budget, the non. Well, I don't have an, I did just hear back from Stephanie Barrett. That they did add the language. I was about to write to David. All to do a draft of the bill. Without duplicating the language is now in the budget. And then we, when we meet again, we'll have both of those. We'll have the full package and the skinny version. To decide. But I don't think in terms of timing, I don't think it really matters that much if we do this at noon or if we do it this morning. So I'll just keep you posted. And the budget is not closed yet. According to Stephanie. So. No. And Becca has not responded. So. So let's do what's the number on the first one. SR 11. API is 10 and George Floyd is 11. Well, let's do 11 first and. I'll move that we amend. Okay. So the member of the SR 11. With the language adding copies be sent to the family members as we discussed. And. I guess Michael is drafting that as we speak. Let me pull you guys up on the screen. All those in favor. Raise your hand. Okay. And now I'll move that we. All those in favor of discussion. All those in favor say aye. Aye. Okay. For spearheading both of these. If there's a report here. I don't know if there's a report. I guess there is. You'll do it. Right. I assume. I talked to Senator Brock to see if he wanted to report George Floyd. And I will. I'm happy to. Okay. So I think. Senator Rom, you need to send this. When work with Michael to get the amendment draft to send it up to the secretary's office and then Senator Brock will be. Listed as the reporter and Senator Brock. And then I'll send a note to the. I was just say confirmed. Yeah. Yeah. You need to send the resolution and the vote. The vote at the moment is 401. Do we want to hold it for Becca? We'll hold it till we adjourn here. Okay. Okay. And next one is SR 10. I have a motion to approve. SR 10. SR 10 as presented. Any discussion. All those in favor say aye. Raise your hand. Okay. That's 401. Again. Okay. Okay. The only thing I have left. Who wants to report that one? I would like to report this. You got it. So the only thing I have left for this morning is. 150. Well, I think we've gone through everything on 62. So that's cooked at this point. We're going to get that. Okay. And then we will, it's coming back as. A major amendment to our as 62. And I will get up and. Report that there's three sections UI. Remote worker and. CTE. Incentive, right? It doesn't know it has a new name, but I don't know if they renamed the bill or not, but. Regardless. So we will have to. I think it's premature for us to take a vote because we don't have the bill yet. But once we get that bill, we'll have to report a recommendation, which I assume. That is that we concur with the house change. Yeah. This is one of those pre-cooked conference committees, so to speak. So that's where, that's where we are on that. That's where we are. That's where we are on 159. What I will do is we will meet again today at some point, we'll squeeze it in. I know we have a finance committee meeting, I think. Which I thought was that Senator Brock, was that a 10? Isn't that the same? No, I saw it. Yeah, we're on the floor of 10. I was confused by that. Maybe it was 11. Okay. Senator is my profound apology. I lost my internet access. Right. And I just literally got it back about two seconds ago. Okay. We voted out both bills, both resolutions and with the amendment that you were about to draft on notifying the family on. 10 or 11. And I can get that. I can get that. I can get that. I can get that. I can get that. I can get that. I can get that. If I may, that Senator Brock is reporting the Floyd resolution. Correct. Yeah. Correct. So I will get hit. I will get Senator Brock the, the. Amendment very quickly now. The amendment will be on behalf of. The committee members. I don't think we can do a committee. No, you can't do it as a unit, but you can do it as individuals. I don't think we can do it as a unit. I don't think we can do it as a unit. I don't think we can do it as a unit. We're going to wait a few more minutes to give you that answer. Senator. Ron could let you know. We're not turning in anything yet. We're holding the vote open. To see if Senator Ballant wants to vote. Okay. I can start getting it ready in the meantime. And then Santa Ron can email me. Okay. This is for the chair. Are we. Okay. We can do it tomorrow. We can do it tomorrow. Is a lot of complications going on. I don't know that we need to rush it. No, I think tomorrow is better. So I can let people know who want to watch. That's fine. I think it's, particularly if tomorrow is our last day, I think it's, they're great to have on the last. Yeah. But it may not be our last day. But it's not. It's not. It's not. It would help me logistically. It was given the fact that I'm waiting on Senator Balan. And I had the internet connection problems this morning. It would definitely assist me. If you were, if I had a little bit of time. Okay. So we'll do it tomorrow. Okay. So where I was on one. 59 is I was just in the process of emailing David Hall to see. David Hall. I don't know if it's appropriate. But what I wanted to join us for. Maybe Nathan could do that while you're. Yeah. Could you, could you ask. See if David Hall is available. All I really want to do with him is just. See if he knows the language that. Appropriation. From. 159. And, or if he can find it out. And get ready for us. I think it's just really a matter of cutting and pasting. I don't know. I don't know if it's appropriate. To be left in 159. I know we had like. Things. Telling. DOL to use $75,000 of a. Fund. To do some sort of CTE or something. And there were a couple of others. The other languages on the Vermont state colleges. And I don't know if it's appropriate. I don't know if it's appropriate. I don't know if it's appropriate. I don't know if it's appropriate. I don't know if it's appropriate. I don't know if it's appropriate. The budget that were in our bill. So we might want to. We probably want to pass those. The other alternative would be to pass the whole thing. And then get up and do a floor amendment stripping them out. You know, I don't necessarily or the third would be to pass it and just have two bills doing the same thing. I don't like to do that. That doesn't make a lot of sense to me. I don't like to do that. I don't like to do that. I don't like to do that. That's possible. Correct. And let's. Let's just let's. Let Jane take what she'd like from what's appropriate from 159. And let's pass. The rest. On financial pieces of it. The language, you know, whatever language. That's the direction I'm going, but, you know, I don't know how the house feels about it. And so, you know, we'll, we'll. We'll see the bottom line is we want. We want to make sure that we don't have to. We want to make sure that we don't have to. We want to get the word for word with the house on 159. And we want all of that to become law in one fashion or another. I don't think anybody's looking to take credit. For a bill one way or another. So. That's where that's where we are. So. Nathan, did you. You've written David, but no response so far. It's been less than a minute, but according to his calendar, he's bouncing between. Looks like two other committees. Okay. Okay. So, unless people have other things, I don't need to keep you here unnecessarily at this point. I think we will have to make a decision on 159. And Senator Brock, I will continue to talk to you at least about the one issue you seem to be interested in getting the wastewater thing back and see if we can come up with a creative one on one in a noncontroversial fashion. This is some good things in that. Yeah, as I say, one, from my perspective, one is fine. However, the tax surcharge is poison. It's gone. Yeah, I realized that. That's clear. Poison pill for veto purpose, and it's certainly a poison pill for rule, suspensions. So. A home is over a million dollars. Correct. Right. The Ways and Means Committee put that in to pay for the manufactured home credit. And how much did it raise? The tax raised more than the credit needed at least over the first five years. Speak of the devil. David Hall is here. Oh, okay. Never can get a break. Okay, David, welcome. Good morning. Good morning. So this is just a. Preparatory talk for. Our next convening would probably come after the floor, follow the gap. If we, if we're all free. We learned that the appropriations committee and you may know this has taken all the language. All the budgetary language from 159 and put it in the budget bill. So I, did you know that. I never know what they're going to do. No, you didn't know that you didn't know that because that concerns me if you didn't know that because I thought Stephanie was going to be working with you on getting that language. They asked me to send them the edited version of 159 as you all had approved it in both sides by your straw poll. What, what, what they actually do with it. I have no idea. Okay. Well, we don't either. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. Other than, other than we were told that they put it in the budget. And it's in editing or something, but I'm, what I'm concerned about is they got it right. You know, that they got the right piece. I don't care where this becomes law, whether it's 159 or the budget. In fact, the budget's safer at this point, because 159 still has to go to appropriations. And maybe even, I don't know, make, maybe even have to go to finance for all I know. But I want to make sure they got all of it. And then the follow up, there are some pieces of 159. I think that they would have just left. Hanging because they're not, they're not related to the budget, including the one we mentioned yesterday to us about. The Vermont state colleges would you said, you said, you didn't know why it was even left in there. But, but there's, there's stuff like the transfer of money within the department of labor fund comes point. I don't think they would have picked that up. We still, we still want them to, we still want to do that. So what I'm asking you. To do is it to the best of your ability is to find, if you can find out what they took. First of all, and, and then go through 159 and draft. An amendment. Of what is left for us to pass along. I don't think that. Assuming we want everything to pass and they didn't get everything, or they didn't feel a need to do everything from. I assume they did. You still, you, you cleverly or you came up with a great. I mean, I guess a commonplace. Solution or you started each. In the budget bill, I'm saying of the moneys in B 305 in the budget bill. This is how it shall go for those moneys. I assume those, every one of those sections that you started that way, they've taken and put in the budget bill, but there were some sections that didn't start that way. Yeah, that's, that's right. So my, the last that I heard from them. The next thing that I heard that was a CFO was that. They were going to create. A new. H section of the budget and put 159 there. So instead of section one of 159, it would be H1 H2 H3. And so I had 159 completely done. to the House's decision on the seed capital fund. House Commerce took a straw poll 11-0 in favor of draft 4.1. They did opt to decouple the general fund appropriation from for the seed fund from COVID, as you suspected. So after you both approved, I had 4.1 edited, and then gave it to Chrissy and Steph and Steve. And again, the last I heard was that they were going to create a new letter in the budget just for that bill. So I assumed at that time they would just take it in whole cloth. If they have not, then I can certainly remedy that, but I'll have to start by checking in with them and see what they've done. That's, that's, that's, that's, that's perfect. If they did that, that's perfect. I mean, I just think there are certain, there were certain by recall in age 159, there were certain things that really didn't impact the budget. Well, that, well, that may be true. It would be very. Easy to problematic if they didn't pick up. All of the sections that go together that relate to a certain subject. I mean, for instance, you know, there's like five sections on better places, only one of which has money. So I hope they took the rest, but we'll have to find out. Okay. Okay. Let me go do that. All right. Thank you. Perfect. Thank you, David. All right. Anything else committee at this point. Wow. 45 minutes of free time. All free because I need to talk with you after we, I'm going to give you a ring. Okay. I thought I was off the hook, but I'm back on the hook. I mean, it's just the, anyway, thank you. We'll see you guys at 10. So it just, it sounds like we're not holding the vote open any longer for Senator ballot. I still haven't heard back from her. That must mean she's really deep in it. And she's a, she's the co-lead sponsor of the API resolution. She's obviously, you know, first name after mind any way on the George Floyd resolution. So she's, she's on. She's on both resolutions. She's on both resolutions. If she wants a roll call vote, she could ask for it or she wants to make a statement. She can, I think everybody's going to know she supports it. Let's just adjourn. And yes, we're not going to hold the vote open. So the resolution is not going to be dealt with until tomorrow. Right. That's true. You know, I, there's no reason I wouldn't think why you couldn't hold the vote. Yeah, absolutely. Good idea. But if, but we need to tell Bloomer today. Great to be up tomorrow. Right. So just amend it. I mean, we could always be, be back and say, we're holding it open. This is the vote at the moment and we'll let you know the final vote at the end of the day. Okay. I mean, I think we'd have to, we'd have to meet, I think to do that. Right. And there's no point in giving him an interim report. Right. Give him one report when we do it. Okay. We'll meet for five minutes. We'll hold the vote open. So until we next see her, I am convinced. I'll leave it to Senator Rom for all the logistics here. I am convinced that even if we don't meet again, or with her until tomorrow morning, there's a way to get this done within an hour after we meet. So, it's important to leave it open, then we will leave it open until she's with us. So Mr. Chair, what is your plan for when we meet next after the fall of the gavel? I am. To be safe. I would assume that we will meet after the fall of the gavel, but I will make an announcement. And if I know sooner, I'll send you all an email. Great. I'm not going to meet for without any reason to meet. So obviously I just want to have Nathan know where we are in the public. Okay.