 And I'm not sure how far we get in this kind of realm. We can try. Should we just start with the people who want to present something? So we have that done. Then continue with DevConf six, how that went. What do you think? And who wants to start with how the DevConf seven venues? Okay. What about? Can you start? Do you have what on your laptop? The MPDF and it works with your... No, we start with DevConf seven. Yes, so we have it over. We have that out of the way. So, if you use God's, that would be... Yes, because we have at least that. Show up on the second floor. Who is the moderator? Me. What's next? Come on! Could you please start as your... Edinburgh, start please. Okay, so... This video is for anyone who is interested. It is also in the share area of HOMA... ...legal... ...DebComp 2007 Edinburgh. Please use the microphone for Michael. Thanks, thank you. Okay. For anyone who is interested, this PDF is in... ...on HOMA in the share area... ...called... ...DebComp 2007 Edinburgh. So you can read along with me if you really want. We first thought about holding... ...DebComp in Edinburgh at... ...DebComp 5, I believe it was. It was a combination of ideas. Steve McIntyre was one of the... ...main people who brought it up. We've been running a list and trying to organize... ...various venues and details which I'll go into further later... ...for about five or six months now. We've been researching various places. Initially, we started off... ...by looking at lots of places in the UK. So not just up at Edinburgh, also Birmingham, also... ...also some in London and Dublin and Cambridge... ...because the Cambridge Cabal light Cambridge... ...because they live there. So initially we had a look at all these various places... ...somewhere dismissed. We finally decided on Edinburgh... ...because London is far too expensive. Dublin can have issues with people getting there... ...because the transport isn't great from lots of places. So we finally decided to move on to Edinburgh. Now, Edinburgh is a good place for various venues. You probably can't read most of the text here. Yeah, sorry we had some other slides but my laptop... ...I upgraded you Dev on my laptop and it's not working now. So this is an actual picture from the UK UUG conference... ...in 2003 which was held in Edinburgh. It's a very large conference that's held once every two years... ...or once a year which has basically all the UK logs... ...gathering in place. There's the devian developers hacking at the back of the room... ...ignoring the talks. This wasn't actually in the venue we proposed to host the place. And it shows the feasibility of holding conferences in Edinburgh. Exactly, precisely. And if anyone's interested the next one's at Brighton and I'm talking... ...so everyone has to come. We believe that Edinburgh is outside of London... ...it is one of the most connected places in terms of... ...people being able to get there... ...internet connections and the facilities it has. It is, I won't say the capital of Scotland... ...because I'm going to get hit if I say that. And I'll get hit if I don't say that. But it is one of the major, major cities in Scotland... ...and one of the major cities in the UK outside of London. And so we have this local team. Yeah, there's a bit later on. Okay, so here's some information about the local team... ...the people involved. They say there's a lot of us and we've been... ...trying to organise this for quite some time. Three people, three groups I would like to mention... ...is the Edinburgh University Computing Society... ...who have showed quite a bit of interest in helping us. Also, Edluck, the Edinburgh Linux Users Group... ...is a very active group with a lot of people... ...and have had a lot of interest from there... ...making DEPICOM 7 work incredibly well in Edinburgh. There's also, as some people may or may not have heard... ...through various mailing lists, the Debian UK Society. There's a lot of us who are very involved in Debian in the UK. We attend and organise a lot of conferences over there. And so, yeah, we... ...people like Steve, especially... ...I think Phil's been around a few of them as well. We go to a lot of trade shows and we push quite heavily for that. We have an infrastructure in place. For example, we have bank accounts for dealing with all the moneys... ...the receipt system. So, I should probably explain some of these photos. This is Edinburgh Castle, which is right in the centre of Edinburgh... ...at the top of the medieval old town. He lives in Edinburgh. I don't, sir. Okay. Here we have... Edinburgh is basically... ...it's the home of the Scottish Parliament. It's a large city of about 46,000 people. Sorry, 460,000 people. It's also host to the famous Edinburgh Fringe Festival... ...which is the largest arts festival in the world. It happens over a two-week period... ...and basically the entire of Edinburgh is taken up by this festival. It has many direct air links. And if not there, and if somebody can't find a link direct... ...then there's really easy access from Glasgow Airport. I think it's a half-hour bus journey or something like that. And the actual airport in relation to the venue... ...which I'll speak about later, is about a 10-minute bus journey. 10, 20-minute bus journey. Sorry? We don't have all the information in here. There's actually more information on that... ...specifically on the wiki we've been using. So we can get you that information... ...but not without the network in front. But certainly there are quite a lot of budget airlines going there. And certainly I know there's quite a lot of flights... ...there's some budget airlines from Germany, definitely. About the Glasgow Airport. Ryan Air goes there, and Jeremy Wings goes there... ...and it has a train station as well. So it's pretty easy to just climb to Glasgow... ...and get on the train and take the train to Edinburgh. So I can't at least say that it's pretty easy to get there... ...using Ryan Air or Jeremy Wings. I don't know about any other response. There's two. I'll just comment that Ryan Air and Jeremy Wings... ...sortify to Ryan Air, which is very easy to get to Edinburgh from there. Sort of debunking the myths of Edinburgh. It's not rainy. It really isn't. That's Glasgow. The rainfall is on the west coast of the country. The east coast... ...those rains are already given up by the time it gets there. Yeah. It's also very central. As you can see by the little map... ...you can see the circle on the left. Okay, the... I'm sure people can read it. The circle on the left is... ...the centre of DD locations. Edinburgh is nearby. So it isn't that far apart from people who live in Scotland. And have to travel over moors... ...by foot. And I'm not Scottish, kind of. So it's fairly easy to get to for most people. And this is one of the central parks in Edinburgh. Which has a larger hill in it. There's many public parks... ...many facilities. Edinburgh has been quite preserved as a historic city as well. As well as... ...basically all the modern buildings in there... ...have to... ...have an external interface that sort of... ...have external look that fits in with the whole city. And... ...also the local council are very keen on... ...preserving lots of green areas, lots of public parks... ...lots of facilities for local people... ...and anyone who wants to visit. So this is an external shot of the... ...one of the buildings we're thinking of holding this in. This is the Royal College of Physicians in central Edinburgh. And it's actually larger than it looks... ...because it goes back a long way. And those windows are huge. Now, we're looking at... ...we estimated our numbers about 350 to 400 delegates. Where there are other venues we're looking at as well. But without... ...certainly without knowing for definite if... ...the next level of comfort will be in Edinburgh... ...it's been quite hard to get figures out of people... ...and get costs down basically... ...because we've only been able to get the... ...their public cost if you see what it means. So we haven't been able to negotiate any discounts. Now, the older part of this building... ...dates back to the about 1770s... ...and it was done by a famous architect... ...Robert Allen, who some people may not know. It's also got some very modern conference facilities... ...large lecture halls. We hope to hold it in the large lecture theatre... ...and something which they call the Great Hall... ...for concurrent talks. There's also the new library which holds up to 80 people... ...and five individual breakout rooms... ...which are 25 to 50 each... ...and those can all be used for hotclubs. The venue, when I've been speaking to... ...has been incredibly... ...flexible, so I've explained that basically... ...we're a bunch of geeks... ...and we're not going to get up at 8 o'clock in the morning... ...to go to a load of talks. But they've said, yeah, that's no problems. We can also have most of the venues open 24 hours... ...if we require, and they've just been incredibly flexible... ...with however they want us to proceed with this. I'll just move quickly on. You can see examples of the hotclubs... ...and then in the central library area... ...and the conference facilities at the bottom. It's a basic idea of cost. Pitch is again another public park... ...where, again, we've been... ...it's been quite hard to get costs out of people... ...and these have been quite high costs... ...because we haven't been able to give them any commitments. So we're probably looking at around... ...20,000 UK pounds for the venue... ...27, I believe, for the accommodation... ...which is about 30,000 euros, 40,000 euros. Accommodation we plan to host in hostels... ...which will be, yeah, basically take over entire hostels... ...which will be 8 to 10 per room. Yeah, so unfortunately we haven't been able to get any food costs... ...because that can also be tied to the venue... ...and essentially also the number of people attending. So, however, we do... ...certainly catering in the UK is very competitive... ...and it's easily able to arrange various discounts. We're also looking at film crew catering... ...as they have experience in dealing with a large number of people... ...and not Alacar menus and bits of sorbet between each menu... ...and other frivolities which we don't like. And it's basically going to be far too expensive. We hope to have Day Trip is very cheap in Edinburgh... ...for two reasons. One of them, as there's a large group, we can arrange a large discount. And also there are many art galleries... ...various different museums that are absolutely free for anyone to go to... ...and are more than happy to help with groups. In terms of connectivity, Edinburgh is very well connected. There's a large number of ISPs. It's one of the central hubs in the UK for connectivity. We have currently been offered 20 megabits... ...just before I came to DevCon. We've got at least three different ISPs... ...who would like to sponsor the connectivity of DevCon. We should be able to get some quite good deal from between any of them. Just before we came, I was talking to a large ISP called Blue Yonder over there... ...who have a main hub in Edinburgh and another in London. They expressed interest about giving us basically just a two gigabit line... ...or whatever we want, whatever we can support... ...and just saying use that. Because they also hosted Derriam Mirror and are keen to help with... ...however they want to help with that. What else is there? In the UK, three pounds? No, less than three pounds? I don't know. I still have no idea how much stuff it cost to make dollars... ...but now I remember seeing on some of the bus stops... ...they had adverts for their offers on Big Macs and so on. I think there it was 99 pence that was the offer price... ...which is one pound, one and a half euros. That's the offer. Yeah, we can find this out later. Anyway, this is basically a shot of the Scottish Parliament... ...that's in Edinburgh. More information about the ISPs, etc. ...which I've just been talking about. And that's a general view of the nightlife. Not the nightlife, the skyline of Edinburgh at night. It is a bit boring for the nightlife of Edinburgh. We can discuss the pubs and sign more if people want... ...but maybe that's again slightly off topic for... There's lots of swimming pools around. I'm sure we could negotiate a building just for debcom... ...if you really wanted to go swimming naked. Another thing that I know is dear to some people... ...that Edinburgh is one of the best public transport in the UK. It's one of the places where fewest people... ...I think the lowest percentage of people take a car when they go to work. Most people walk or take a bus. Another thing that's relevant... ...is I think the place with the most vegetarian restaurants in the UK. So it's suddenly easy to get vegetarian food. Yeah. I'm not a vegetarian and they have good food... ...but it's also easy for vegetarians unlike many places in the world. Yeah. You have a... Sure. You said that you have different small rooms that serve as tap labs. Now I think that most people here like to clock together... ...and just sit in one big huge room happily hacking together. So is there also a room that would be large and well connected enough... ...to serve as a hack lab for say 100 or 150 people? Yeah. Certainly the Great Hall which is there... ...is easily converted into a hack lab. During the day while the talks were on... ...there's the library which has 80 people... ...and I know certainly two of the larger... ...sorry, two of the larger work rooms... ...they are basically separated by foldable walls... ...similar to the ones around the edge here. So you can separate them and pull them together. Maybe we should just mention again though that... ...I mean this is a venue we've been talking about at the moment as an example... ...but if we decide to have Devgonfin Edinburgh... ...then we want to look again around the venues... ...just to make sure that one of the different ones... ...doesn't give a much better offer or whatever. It's better to negotiate with several of them... ...rather than just a single one. Can I just inject a small point of order? I notice it's five to four. This talk is scheduled until five past four. We have now been talking about Edinburgh for a long while. Should we move on? Yes, okay. If anyone has any questions they can come and see me afterwards. I'm not sure if we don't have the next chance or two... ...because at quarter past four... ...there's scheduled the I-18M talk here. Okay, good. Is there any other questions they can ask? Okay, thank you. While these guys connect the next notebook... ...I can just quickly tell something about Sarajevo... ...which would be another possible venue. As far as I understand they have about ten people... ...who would be very interested in helping. One of them is, as far as I know... ...had already several bigger events organised. So she's a lady. I'm not sure what's the name. Not even if I could pronounce it. And she would be helping. Then one of the main organisers locally would be... ...Safir who couldn't attend because of visa issues here. The event would mainly take place in the... ...Muslim culture centre. We would get that for free. That is founded by... ...what's the name of the country? Saudi Arabia. Meaning that it's... ...if they had the choice between expensive... ...and very expensive equipment... ...that took the very expensive one. So they have translation equipment... ...and cameras... ...and all the stuff that we had to rent here... ...for example, or bring along on site. And we could use that for free. I'm not sure about the internet connection there... ...but I would expect that we can arrange that. Okay, great. That was 20 megabytes throughput. Pardon? This room is... Yeah, I asked about that one. They said that wouldn't be a problem. The accommodation would be... ...a student dorm... ...and food. And the dormitory which would be like... ...three to four bedrooms... ...would be 16 to 17 euros... ...per day per person. That is... ...as much as the accommodation was in Edinburgh... ...all together... ...without the food. It is drastically cheaper than Edinburgh... ...or Mexico... ...or Brazil or whatever we had so far. What else do we have? It has an international airport. It's the capital of the country... ...so we wouldn't need to go far for shopping... ...if we needed more... Bosnia. It's Bosnia. Sorry, it's the capital of Bosnia. An issue that they might have is... ...you would need visas to go there. European countries wouldn't need one... ...and the US either. But... ...Brazilian people... ...would need one. But... ...Safia said that it was... ...easily possible to get them... ...in a timely fashion. Let's see. The other... What's the availability of vegetarian food there? And quality food in general? Well... I don't... I wouldn't expect it to be a problem... ...if we arrive in a... ...with like three to four hundred people... ...you can make arrangements in any way. And it's... ...apparently they would even be able to serve kosher food... ...which is because they have... ...um... ...because they... ...it's partly Muslim country. So because of that... ...I also expect them to be flexible... ...in other regards, food-wise. Is the country very conservative? Um... You can just go on. Sorry? Just go on. Yeah, I was talking about this... ...with Safir. He says that... ...well too many people think that... ...Bosnia is like Saudi Arabia... ...or similar places where... ...it's homogeneous. But the fact is even after the... ...and the wars and all... ...it's a very plural country... ...which has maybe... ...forty-fifty percent Muslims... ...but it's quite open... ...and well... ...it has a very multi-ethnic... ...multicultural background... ...and reality. I don't expect it to be... ...any more problematic... ...to get proper food for vegetarians... ...than say here... ...because well here we have a... ...real problem for that. I can assure you that... ...that will not be... ...the issue... ...from what I've talked with Safir. Other people have been... ...concerned about shooting and... ...crime. Apparently the war is over. And... ...and... ...and the crime rate is... ...just normal European... ...rate there. That's... ...not an issue really. He said European. I don't know. I don't know. I don't have a comparison. I haven't been there. Not at any rate anyway. Any other questions about Sarajevo? I can't think of anything else right now. How many people will be... ...involved in the local team here, Andreas? Look at me please. Here. Thank you. How many people is involved in the local team? He said that... ...the whole Luke would be very interested in doing that. The Sarajevo or Bosnian Luke. And... ...ten people committed to... But with the organizing... ...we saw that... Yes, I remember that. Because the problem with Guna... ...that... ...he think and he was fat. I remember that, yes. I pressed Safir for... ...real numbers there. Of course... ...we can't really know... ...he said ten. Any other questions? Bricson time? Okay. Here you go. Does it work? Yes, it works. So, hello everybody to our presentation about Bricson. First, this introduction... ...that's the link... ...of our home page... ...we've made for this Debian conference. Cut. That should be a T... ...at the beginning. Just a T. Should I write it? This one is... ...working good. The name is... ...at the beginning... ...and... ...and... ...yes, a few words... ...about how it became possible... ...for our group to... ...join this Debian conference. It was because of the... ...South Tyrol... ...free conference... ...last year... ...where we met Kurt Glamlich... ...a member of the Skola Linux team... ...and... ...yes, he... ...made us... ...the subject free software... ...a little bit more familiar... ...and after... ...being in contact with him... ...for a longer time period... ...he told us that... ...it would be possible... ...to go to this Debian conference... ...6 in Mexico... ...and meet people... ...working the whole year... ...for free software. So for us this was... ...very interesting since the beginning... ...and after a student selection... ...the group... ...was found... ...the group was found... ...as it was... ...as it would travel to this Debian conference... ...and... ...yes, we have started to set up a home page... ...and... ...yes, by... ...elaborating texts and... ...taking photos of different sightseeing... ...and so on... ...and... ...this page should be the reference... ...when the question was... ...to provide useful information... ...about our hometown. So that's the URL... ...and for those who want to have a look... ...let's continue with the slideshow... ...first something... ...about... ...the town... ...the history of the town... ...soon... ...after the time of... ...the birth of Christ... ...Roman... ...Lagineers... ...settled down in the valley... ...and called the settlement Brixina... ...which stands for... ...settlement on the hill. Brixina now has... ...20,000 inhabitants... ...and locals in the valley... ...called Isaktal... ...where the two rivers... ...Isaktal and Triant... ...Brixina has... ...a lot of arbors... ...brits and parks... ...many churches... ...its cathedral... ...and the crypt museum... ...the cloister... ...godic frescoes... ...and of course the fortress... ...named Hofburg... ...which was former... ...the residence of the bishop. Yes, typical for South Tyrol... ...are the... ...maybe the next picture... ...this is the park... ...yes, guest room... ...typical for South Tyrol... ...are... ...rastic style rooms... ...where you can eat... ...home food... ...how do we call them... ...and dog nuts... ...or smoked ham... ...and spaghetti for sure... ...also pizza... ...and yes, every two years... ...Brixina takes place... ...at Brixina takes place the Altstadtfest... ...which is a festivity... ...of South Tyrolian... ...customs... ...where people... ...are dressed... ...with traditionally costumes... ...you're a little bit... ...and present... ...typically homemade food... ...and folk music is played... ...and also souvenirs are offered... ...so... ...let's come to the free time... ...and... ...there is a large... ...large range of activities... ...offered for sports people... ...or those who are interested in... ...activity holidays... ...in Brixina... ...you can go mountain hiking... ...cycle along the river... ...yes? I think that is... ...a bit more important... ...because... ...yes for sure... ...but... ...that would be a problem for me because... ...I can take that... ...yes... ...well, let's go on... ...cycle along the river... ...play tennis, go paragliding... ...nearby Brixina... ...there is... ...there are a lot of forest lanes... ...where you can... ...go hiking, take a trip... ...into the natural alpine environments... ...enjoy the... ...alps... ...yes? Okay, let's go to the last section... ...which is the school... ...and just... ...that was a little bit fast... ...they want to see them... ...yes... ...let's talk about the school... ...the name of our professional school is... ...Josef Christian... ...and there are about... ...600 students... ...and 80 teachers... ...we have different fields of study... ...like wood, metal, trade... ...and the field we are attending to... ...is the one of electronics... ...and computer technique... ...of six computer rooms... ...which could be used as a hack lab... ...an assembly room... ...where the presentation could happen... ...and... ...we could also use the belonging... ...cantine of the school... ...yes, and also high-speed internet access... ...won't be a problem... ...because right next to the school... ...there is a provider, so... ...almost... ...no... ...yes... ...the presentation, but... ...no, alright, I finish here... ...I think I could give you... ...a little impression of Bricson... ...yes... ...that will be Stockholm's work... ...no... ...I think I could give you an impression of Bricson... ...and... ...if the 7th... ...the 8th edition of the Debian... ...takes place in Bricson... ...I won't say... ...I will say... ...I will give you some attention. They... ...they had to skip... ...past the... ...the snow pictures... ...which are actually one of the... ...good parts about... ...Bricson because... ...hello... ...because we could try to have a... ...winter skiing that comes there... ...which would be something very different than... ...we would...we had so far... ...and... ...yeah... ...pardon what? Yes, we...that would be... ...during... ...January, February I guess... ...pardon? Aha, there's...there are glaciers there... ...and you could ski there even... ...um...yeah well... ...um... ...the... ...you asked about the accommodation... ...um... ...there are... ...boarding schools in town... ...um... ...could be... ...cheap accommodation... ...um...there are also hotels... ...and the hotels asked for like... ...60 euros per day... ...per night plus breakfast... ...that would be... ...without... ...um...lunch and dinner... ...um... ...so we...that would be expensive... ...but we could also use the... ...um...cantina of the school... ...the sleeping areas are... ...um... ...unfortunately we can't use the... ...gym apparently... ...for safety reasons... ...um... ...that would be another... ...budget option... ...um... ...um... ...um...pardon? ...um...there are... ...different airports around the place... ...um...the... ...connected would most likely be Munich... ...um...and... ...you could go directly from the airport to the... ...um... ...venue... ...by train... ...that would be a two and a half hours travel I think... ...more or less like...um... ...here... ...um... ...what else...um... ...there are other airports and...um... ...around the...on the Italian side... ...um... ...which ones that are... ...okay...easy jet goes there... ...to Venice, right... ...Venez is quite close to... ...and there is... ...people with special needs... ...here...here...here... ...people with special needs... ...same question of the France... ...that's not a problem really... ...um...it's a school...it's very modern... ...and you have... ...well...everything there... ...you could have a dream of... ...this like...the focus... ...of this location...on the skiing... ...and all the leisure activities... ...I think...DAPCON... ...is for working on Debian...for meeting developers... ...not for skiing... ...and I think...uh... ...it's sending the wrong message to sponsors... ...to choose a location like this. I don't think that...um... ...um... ...we have worked little here... ...do you think so? Do you think that we have worked too little here? No...I think we have done a lot of work here... ...at least a lot of people have... ...attended to talks... ...but if there's a choice between... ...going skiing during the day and attending talks... ...I think there's going to be... ...a fair amount of people that are going skiing. We have two pools here... ...and three actually... ...and people did attend pools... ...anyway... ...talking... ...yeah...but I don't... ...actually expect any problems there... ...or...um... ...people... ...um... ...can stay longer like they do here... ...or they could...um... ...come early or they... ...we could have a day trip to that place... ...to ski...for skiing... ...and I don't think that people just stop working... ...because of... ...because of the presence of snowy hills in the area. Okay... ...one concern I have is that... ...we lost maybe... ...we lost maybe 50 people who couldn't come... ...because they work at schools... ...or study... ...and... ...not having DEBCOV in July... ...as we have tried to do... ...at least twice during the last four years... ...which has proven to be... ...a good choice I think... ...couldn't attend... ...so I would strongly advise... ...against January, February. Yeah...um... ...I... ...I'd like to agree... ...because... ...because... ...this doesn't only apply to schools... ...it also applies to universities... ...they usually have the summer time off... ...and there's lots of people here... ...who are either studying... ...or working at universities... ...so I have really advised against... ...dropping the summer... ...the summer day. And if you want to use the school infrastructure... ...we need to take the holidays anyway. It's winter for us. Oh, I'm sorry, yeah, okay. Yeah, I mean... ...the whole nation of DEBCOV here... ...and... ...even though... ...the people come from different backgrounds... ...it's very different from... ...different people... ...when they have... ...but usually... ...people manage to go for... ...ever... ...and during those times... ...actually it's not... ...the skiing would be a nice bonus... ...it's not the goal... ...it's just... ...an additional... ...yeah, nice thing to have. The problem is we haven't seen the goal, actually. So there is another challenge... ...that we need to remember... ...from a schedule standpoint... ...we really need to pay attention... ...to when others... ...are accustomed to being able... ...to attend or scheduled... ...and January, February is not a great time... ...because... ...there is stuff happening in other parts of the world then. July, the only real... ...thing that comes up routinely... ...is the Ottawa Linux Symposium... ...and Associated Kernel Summit... ...in the last week of the month. And when we've held DEBCOV in July... ...we've been pretty successful... ...at having that be the week before. I mean, I end up doing the last minute... ...fly from one to the other thing... ...but it hasn't been a real inconvenience for folks, I think. We're really conscious of these events... ...and wherever we decide to put it on the calendar... ...make sure we're not stomping on something... ...that would cause significant numbers... ...of potential attendees to... ...have a tough choice. I think that... ...we do need to have more research on that... ...because I actually... ...remember, people are not coming... ...because of the Kernel Summit, for example. Really, repeatedly, for example. And... ...I would like to say something... ...about from the date in which we do the DEBCOV... ...I think it will be very important... ...to any place we do the DEBCOV... ...for the hot labs... ...to be close to the... ...place where they talk. Do we have been... ...given? And everything is... ...much more close than here and in Finland... ...that... ...because this way we lose a lot of time... ...traveling all around... ...and many people tend to stay in the same place... ...and lose... ...talks on... ...not doing so much work... ...because of that. Do you think that we are closer... ...farther away from the head labs now? I think we are far away. Actually, that's not right. In Finland we walk like... ...10 to 50 minutes. I'm saying that... ...in Finland and in here... ...we are... Horrible. Uh-huh, okay. Got it. Sorry. Yeah. Many people would say they have labs... ...because they don't want to work. I am sorry... ...but many people would say they have labs. Since nobody seems to... ...do any other... ...anyways... ...the question that I had... ...is about the size of the local team... ...because we had that for... ...the other two cities already. So... I think the local team would be... ...would have different... ...yeah, well... ...very different people... ...characteristically... ...for example, there's the head mast... ...of the place... ...which would be... ...no, I don't... ...I think that he is... ...the local team because he has excellent contacts... ...to all kinds of... ...places and teams. Actually a guy who is... ...pushing lots of this... ...really. Can I decide? How can you tell really? You don't know him really at all. Well, I think that the question of the local team... ...is, of course, up to you... ...or to the organizers to check... ...but there's something to say again about... ...when do we do DEPCOMF? If you want to do DEPCOMF on January or February... ...we want to release Edge in December... ...and I doubt that we have anybody available... ...to do lots of work for you in December then. That would be really an issue. So I really vote for doing DEPCOMF... ...in June or July, like we did in recent years. I don't see how it will work... ...to do it in January. Another thing is that if you do it in Europe... Pardon? I think we're happy with that either. Thank you for speaking. Did... ...might I point out that we're... ...many minutes into the next talk? It's already 4.24. I think we can... ...just continue this... ...at the next time slot after this... ...when we have some other... ...DEPCOMF thing. Yes, that's a totally different topic... ...but still people might be interested. I'm not sure. You can come later on... ...or ask other stuff... ...directly, I guess. You had an... Okay, no. Bye.