 All right, we'll call the November 1st regular board meeting to order. We've got, what, John Quinn on teleconference, Flo, Smet, Bradtown here. Any additions or changes to the agenda events? Yeah, I have a few additions. Letter of intent, participating municipal rules grant and aid program for equipment purchase. We have the tax forgiveness for their amounts under $5. And the parking lot agreement with the city of Montpelier for Darling Hill Trail discussion. Thank you. Thank you. Any public comment? I'm here. None. We've got Mr. Noyes discussion regarding snow plowing issues. Yes. Mr. Noyes. Mr. Noyes here. That's me. Hi, thanks for having me. My name is Mike Noyes. I live at 407 Marvin Road with my wife and two young daughters. As you may or may not know, Marvin Road is a dead-end road. It's down by Capitol City. It's always been challenging for the plow to turn around at that location. We have been there for about 13 years. My fences have been broken. My yards have been trashed. My driveway's been tore up. I've invited the town up several times so all interested parties could come to a solution that worked for everyone. Unfortunately, that invitation was passed on by the previous town administrator for a long time. I then approached the former road supervisor and said, I'm willing to sacrifice some of my pasture area to make it easier for the town. And I suggested a certain spot, but he deferred to a different spot and so a turnaround area was built. I moved my animals off that part of the pasture. I removed the rail fence that I had built and the town came up with equipment and fill and made a 33-by-30-foot area for the town to be able to turn around plows in the grater. I then rebuilt my fence in order to keep the animals in. It seemed to work and we didn't have any problems. A new road supervisor was hired and the problems started again. First, they came up and cut down part of my willow tree, which is right on the corner of the turnaround area. Without any knowledge that they were going to do it. They said they needed the room. Then while pushing the snow back with the grater, they snapped the farm sign that I had made. It was made with 175-year-old hand-hewned beans. I fixed it. The final straw of why I'm here today is they carelessly plowed over my beehives. These beehives have been there for years with no problems. They sit over 25 feet from the center of the road. They sit behind a willow tree, approximately 15 feet away from where the plower area turnaround ends. Current town administrator said the turnaround does not work and would like to come up with a new solution and he has not contacted me in order to do this. They don't even use the area to turn around the road grater. Choosing to turn around in the Baird's driveway, which is about 75 feet prior to that area. They don't even come up to finish grating the road. Choosing to ignore the last 100 yards or so of Marvin Road where my family lives. Every time it snows, I carefully use my farm tractor and I back drag the turnaround area out to make it easier for the plow truck, as I know it's challenging and they're in a hurry. I'm simply asking for an opportunity to work together to come to a permanent solution. I thought we had already done this, but apparently it's a problem again. I can't get the willow tree parts back, but they'll grow back. I fix the fence every single time that it's broken. I never ask the town for a thing. Eddie would apologize when he broke it, but I would just fix it. But the destruction of the beehives has put my family out hundreds and hundreds of dollars. Town administrators said the slick board wasn't interested in reimbursing me for this, but I'm here in person just asking for that. The bottom line is I've always tried to do the right thing. I've come up to the town. I've offered for help. I've tried to come up with solutions and I tried to do the right thing and all it's gotten me is financially hardship and the town doesn't even finish doing their job. Thanks for your time, and I'll be happy to answer any questions. Okay, thank you for sharing that. So I understand you're a little bit frustrated. I don't know much about the whole situation, but I don't know if Ben's or Tim's and one of you would like to continue on with a little bit to fill the board up. I can kick it off a little bit, just to give a little bit of the perspective from your side. Obviously, we have a change in staff here, so we have new town administrator, new foreman. We don't want any issues like that. Woodtown residents want to work together as much as humanly possible. Don't want to inconvenience anybody in any way. So if we can just get up to speed a little bit and get an understanding, I think that would be good. Here's a couple of pictures of you guys there. Sorry, my printer's absolutely horrible. Those are the best ones I could come up with. And you said you're seeking reimbursement for the beehives. Do you have a dollar figure in mind for the reimbursement that you're seeking? You know, it's really honestly, it's I'm looking for a solution. The bees can't be brought back. Just to replace the bees alone is $300, not to mention all the honey in the frames. I mean, it's $1,000, but I just, I want something that's gonna work. I thought we figured it out, and then obviously we had some turnover. I just don't want any problems. So I could start off with, I agree with a fair amount of what Mr. Noyes has said tonight. He did call me, I did go up. I met with him, we took a walk around. He showed me the post that was loose on the sign. He showed me where the beehive was located over the bank from the turnaround as well, that had been disturbed. I spoke with Tim and brought him up. We took a look as well. I had the situation and I'm gonna let Tim speak for himself on this one. The point that I'd like to clarify just a little bit is that one of the reasons that he's here tonight is because the town, myself, asked him if he would like to, he always had the opportunity to appeal to the board. Have a discussion if he disagrees with any decisions or whatnot. Absolutely, so that's part of it. So we got him on the agenda to come tonight for that because I told him the same thing. We need to come to a resolution. Winner's getting close and either one of us needs to have this continue any further. We need to find a reasonable solution to solve this issue to make it go away permanently. Because, again, when I came up to visit him and compare this to him, he did explain to me that the history of it and the number of issues that he's been having. So, again, we need to come to an agreement and resolve it because, again, when I was up there in the winter after he had called me, there's a huge pile of snow on the side of the turnaround where the willow tree was and at the end of the driveway, it takes, again, I'll let Tim speak here, probably 37 to 40 feet to back one of those dump trucks around, there isn't enough room. Plain and simple. Hit snow banks, we're gonna hit something, right? And just turning the truck around much less, where do we put all the snow from up there as well? So, those are some issues that need to be resolved. What's your experience with that particular turnaround? It's tight, very tight, especially when you start getting snow towards the middle of the winter, it's tight, there's fences right on the side of the road. So, normally, they file up, they kind of feather out of it somewhat toward the end, so they don't leave a pile, and then try to get turned around and then try to, once they get turned around back on the hill, they back back up, put the plow down, and try to take as much of it down the hill, but, I mean, four o'clock in the morning when we're down there, nothing's plowed, it's hard to get turned around and then turn around, and they do, we do clean our turnarounds out, and last year, there was a new driver down there, and there was no fault of his, and I can't say that he, you know what I mean, this issue was brought up, we talked to the driver that was there, he said he didn't do some of the stuff that was brought up, so, on that aspect, but it's tight, that plow, once you put the plow on there, and those trucks are 36 feet long, and then you got another six to eight feet of plow hanging off the front of it, you're over 40 feet long when you're trying to turn that around, and then when you try to turn that around, you know, it sticks way out. Now there's a turn around area. Yeah, they made, I mean, I'm not sure when it was put in, it was in the last five years, I believe, right? Do you have your 40 plus, do you have another one to turn around on there? What were the dimensions, 33? 33 by 30, and that's not including any of the road. What's the width of the road there? They've widened the road over the years. 14 feet at the best, maybe 12. That plow and wing on the truck is 16 feet, and tip the plow, get tip for the wing. 45 to 47 feet to turn that around. And then is there any, do you keep that clear for the town too? Is that, like, I don't understand, I don't know the agreement or whatever the turn around was. In the wintertime, it's always, there's nothing there. They would have a problem with the grader in the summertime. You've mentioned that in here, obviously the grader's bigger than the truck. Some, some, there's usually- So as far as the grading goes, I was down there on Friday, and it was over half full round veils and tractors and boon-sized pitchers. They're in the packages. I wasn't sure if it would be packed. What do you think? Do you think there's anything? What do you think, if I think, yeah. Before there was ever a turn around, they always, the plow turned around just fine. The grader turned around just fine. We're just weird as trying to make it a little easier. In your driveway, though, right? Yeah. But it's since been paid. That's not correct. I believe they did not- So this is what I was- Yeah, well, let me finish. Answer your question. What? What? You're just asking a question. I don't want to answer your question. I was told that it was paved and that the town itself was asked not to use the driveway. Because if we wrecked the driveway, we were going to pave for the pavement to repave the driveway. So that was my understanding was is we were asked not to use the driveway anymore, which in turn ended up why we have it. The turn. The turn. Okay. I have no idea where that came from. The reason that I didn't pave the driveway is so that the town could use it. The driveway, I don't know the dimensions, but it's about half paved. Tim, how long do you think that is from the driveway? 100 feet maybe? Turn around? No, my driveway. Anyway, it's half. The reason I didn't pave the whole thing was so the town could use it. I only paved the closest part to the garage. Okay. So that as far as snow, it's just snow from the road that's getting put in the turnaround area. It's not anything like you're not pushing. You know, I just want to make sure everybody. Yep. What I do is I go in with my farm tractor. I back drag it out to make it easier because obviously that cloud can't do the whole thing. You know, it's too big. So I go in and I back drag it every snow, unless it's an inch or whatever, but you know, and try to keep it clear for the town because I appreciate the hard work they do. You know, I try to make it as easy as I possibly can for it. So it sounds like if we can figure out a way to try to just move forward and make sure there's plenty of room to turn around and not do, what about the sign? There's an issue with the sign, is that? I fixed it. Right, oh, I understand the sign, but is it in the permitted right away? Is it a permitted sign? I'm just curious about that just so I know. It's off the road. I just want to know if it was in the right way. If you went 25, 24 foot seven, 24 foot eight inches, which is a three rod road, which is a class three road, you know what I mean? That post is in the right way out of the road. You know what I mean? If you went that through the center lane, then it's 25 feet there. And then as far as I know, there's no permit that was ever drawn to the sign. Did you? I don't know if it was some sort of a dream prior to me and Vince on that. Do you know if you pulled the permit for the sign and you had it, whether it's location? No, it's just a couple posts in the ground. What hit the post was that the snow or the plow itself? No, it wasn't the plow, it was actually the radar when he was moving the banks back. I gotcha. So this is basically a problem with where the snow is going, not so much of the equipment itself. Correct. On the backside of the turnaround, what's across the road from the turnaround? My front yard. Oh, you gotcha. A bank. It's all like going up in there. It's all, it comes right down to the road ditch and then it's a bank, so. We can't really push it all the other way. I was just thinking if it was, if they were able to put the cross the road, back across the road to the truck and then take them go out. Sorry. You know, and again, I don't want to take the time of you guys, this is something that I'm sure that Tim and myself and Vince can figure out. I'm here to get the ball rolling so we can do that because there has not, that has not happened. Okay. As well as to reimburse for these would be great. So I take it the beehive's got hit by snow being pushed down over the bank. That is correct. It was not hit by the plow. It was just pushing the snow. I got you. Well, follow anything? No, but I appreciate you bringing it to our attention so that we can address it. Thank you. We'll discuss it, we'll talk about it, figure out, probably have some conversation, Brad, do you have anything else? No, I was just wondering about the, I mean, to me, it's strictly a matter of, it's strictly a matter of where the snow is going. It's not so much the equipment itself. Right. That's one of the troubles that always happens in a tight driveway. Right. It's hard to, it's hard for the truck to stop and leave a hardened pile. Absolutely. You always try to get rid of that so they can, so you don't lose the room. Well, not so much, you don't use the room but if he wants to go out through there with his tractor or something to raster, he doesn't have to take and shovel out 30 feet of frozen snow. Mm-hmm. Okay. Do you think we can figure out a solution for this winter at this point in time and hope everybody's going to work together with people that, yeah, I think we'll have to do a site visit. You know, walk it and talk it and come up with a solution. Seems reasonable. You good with that? Yeah. Good. Okay. Thank you for coming in. Thank you. Thank you very much. All right, we have digging in the right of way Ellen Moody, Scott Hill. Yep, that is just the typical right-of-way permit. It's a future primary residence in a subdivision off of Scott Hill Road. Mm-hmm. It's about, they're proposing it to be about 800 feet long or 20 feet wide. It ties in, they have a 48.2 acre These are the ones that are going right before the cemetery, right on the left. Yep. That's where they've got it. And everything, there's four sites up there, right? They're already permitted, is that my understanding? Yep. Well, they're getting there. They're getting there? Yeah. So with these, Brad, how have we typically done? Here's 10% more. What's that? What's the, what do you feel is going to be the cost of the project in the right-of-way? The permit's calling out for about $25,000. So what do we usually bond for? For damages? I think we'll, it's, 10%? 10% Sounds right. With the permit cost work, we want to bond. There's no coal or anything going in. It's just going to be a straight access. Does it say 10% at the top of this page? Mm-hmm. Well, this is, I mean, there's no culvert going in. I would just change the motion to take in, approve the project, and I wouldn't worry about the bond on that one. So what's the, there's no culvert going in, or anything? See, with a culvert, you always run the risk of something happening to the road in there. Right. Okay. But just a straight off the road. Are you widening the existing? I know that there's already. Yeah, the trees are coming out, and the road's going to, we have the map here if you're going to look at it. Is it in their pocket? And I do see that they determined that no culvert was required at the site. And there will be sufficient site distance. We'll ask you to put it right here. Oh. And you have the temporary road created to allow the farm equipment in and out? Well, that road's been there for, 100 years. That's where they go. Actually, the people in the gray house paid for driving me a little bit over the property line, but that's a marker, is magnetic markers, right under the driver's eye. All right, I understand the motion to approve the project. I make the motion to approve the permit for digging within town right away, travel portion of highway, proposed by Ellen D. Moody, and the address is four long Meadow Lane, Montpelier, Vermont 05602, property Scott Hill Road, Berlin, Vermont, as presented tonight. Second. Any discussion? Those in favor say aye. Aye. Aye. Motion carries. Thank you. Thank you. Good Samaritan letter update. I spoke with Mr. D'Angelo's midweek, last week, the guys that he called, just regarding some concerns about the letter. He has to go back and speak with the board. With regards to that, making a full committal by signing a document, so to speak. And once he has had that conversation, he'll be reaching out to get on the agenda and he'll come speak to the board and test that letter again at that point in time. Were there any word smithing that they were seeking or not at this time? Just the content itself to asking for committal to what he said in the meeting. Right. So just to reiterate the letter that we approved and sent was asking him to follow through with what he had said to the town in the meeting. Right. For himself. I guess Mr. D'Angelo, yeah. So we'll expect that on the next agenda, maybe. It's probably gonna be a couple of weeks. I think that's gonna be maybe the first meeting in December, he'll be ready to come back and talk about it. Okay. Conservation commission update. Yep. Can you hear me? Good evening. Good evening. Hey, Bill. Hi, Justin. Yeah, I shouldn't take too long, but I've got a list here I'd like to go over. First of all, the vast update, the work crew was in there doing the last piece of excavation and trail work. And they got rained out a little bit. And they got rained out a little bit on Friday, as we know in Saturday. I think they finished up yesterday, but that should put us in good stead with our relationship with vast and the trail looks like it's gonna be in good shape. The signs have gone up. A lot of the signs have gone up. We've also signed the bridge. Although we don't have the sign yet, the vast and the conservation commission have jointly decided to have a sign put on the bridge saying it's, the bridge was constructed with the efforts of both vast and the town of Berlin. So that sign is still coming. We had a general talk about the gate. The vast gating on Darling Hill above where the proposed new parking lot is. So it would be as you leave the parking lot, I think there's a really nice place there for the gate. Plenty of room when the gate's open and not so much room. So wheeled vehicles can get around, obviously bikes can, but we're talking about, you know, pickup trucks, ATVs, et cetera. So I think we've got a pretty good location for the gate. We'll make a site visit with vast to determine that, but we're kind of waiting to see what happens in November with the parking lot. And if that will be done and how that's going. We are gonna take some of our monies and as you guys suggested for admin, we're gonna have Christy Flynn do our minutes in the future. And she's working on our last meeting. So those should be pretty tight and posted in a timely fashion. We do have new copy coming for the sign that's gonna go with the Darling Hill trailhead. As we know, that sign that's there is outdated and painted over so that we should have copy either tomorrow or the next day and always on time signs and designs that it shouldn't be more than a week or so. So hopefully we can have a nice clean sign. I suggest we'll probably put the sign right where it is now if the parking lot isn't ready by hunting season, but I think it's great to have a sign there. And basically it's a welcome sign. And it's, I think it's, you know, we, we did a proof with it. We had the recreation commission look at it also. And I think we're all gonna be happy with the new sign. Let's see the Mongo agreement. We had signed with by Brad Watson. So we do have a signed agreement with Mongo. Let's see what else do I have here? How do you, and they provided a certificate of liability, correct? We do have a certificate, but we're having Rob Halper look at the amounts. So we're waiting for Rob to get back to us. Now, now, yeah, I mean, have we set a minimum, minimum amount or is that what you're working on? That's what we're working on. I'll have to go back and see what we did with Vast, but. I believe it's a million dollars with Vast. So we should probably suggest that, right? As we're trying to. We should adopt a minimum standard to follow it at least. That's not right. Yeah, I was thinking, I was thinking we try to pull this quarter of a minute into the same agreement as we have with Vast and Mumba. I think that's what our goal looks to have. Okay, yeah, then by all means, and we'll set that first and we're moving forward. All right. Yeah. Just two other things briefly. We are a member of the conservation commission. Sister Lorien has taken the lead on this groundwater concern that we have. And I think she's going to be working on a document that we'll be sharing with you at some point. Our hopes is to have some sort of document addressing groundwater in the entire town of Berlin, some guidelines or something to include in the town plan. Whether it's not, you know, put in the plan for the next round, it may be five years, but we just think that the concerns about groundwater in general is an important thing for the town to be aware of. Okay, well, I haven't personally heard of anything to do with the groundwater up there or any concerns. So be interested to see what those updates are. Yeah, we'll try to get them probably in the next month or so we'll let you know and put it on here. We'll let Vince know and work with Vince. The last, one last thing I just wanted to point out is I think it would benefit the town if we figure out a way or get someone to volunteer to be a tree ward. That's a position that's presently not filled and it's up to the select board to just appoint someone. You can also have deputy tree wardens too. But I think if we get someone, it doesn't have to be a town resident, but if we can get someone to be the tree warden, I think that would benefit us, particularly with the Emerald Ash Warder and the tree warden. What's that? Just on that note, sorry, this was Vince. We do have a resident that's actually probably certified. I think he's into forestry. I don't know if this is real well, but Dave Wilcox, he made me interested. Yeah, if he does, that's terrific. I was just looking at the new statue and it doesn't say you have to be a town resident. So if we were, if we couldn't fill it with someone with some sort of background in this and we need to go outside the town, we could do that. You know, obviously, there's been no compensation that I know of for being a tree warden. So it would be up to the select board, but I don't think it's a compensated position. I think it's just a volunteer position. Traditionally, it has been. Yeah. Okay. What else do you have for us fell? I think that's it. I think I think everybody, you know, if you get a chance, I mean, a lot of you guys, you know, if you're going out hunting or whatever, take a walk up through, see what people think about the new bridge in the trail. Any feedback on where the gate might go. I think we're all in agreement, but if there are other eyes that want to take a look at it, we are thinking about other gates at the far, at the south end of the vast trail, but primarily we want to get that gate up off Brookfield Road and Darling Trail there to start. We hope that, you know, everyone abides by, you know, the vast agreement and we don't get too many renegades, you know, new trails, et cetera up there. We think it's well marked in. I think everyone should be respecting the new vast trail, but we'll probably think about a couple of gates at what we call the town forest, also referred to as the Kelly lot, where it dips down back towards where the log landing was on Brookfield Road. That's an entrance that you might want to gate. And then the other one is gating just at the border of the Kelly lot town forest and the joining private land on the south end. So that's to be determined. Where are we at with the marking of the perimeter and the signage for entering the borough and town forest? I can, you want me to take that one, Phil, since it's on me? Yeah, I think you had this. Yeah, go ahead and take that. I've got to quote out for prices for the tags similar to what Norfield has. I don't have a response from it yet. So I may have to go out to a couple of other sign manufacturers to see what I can get. There are only a few weeks for the people on that. Yeah, I had a question about that. Are we okay using always on time signs and design over here at the cross next to UPS? Is that who we use? I think depending on the size of the project, we actually get a quote, RFB depends on how big the project is. Depends on the size of the project, but we've used one for other. We're certainly welcome to put a brace on it. Yeah, the first sign that we're working on that should be ready. It's 48 by 36, that large sign. That's approximately $240. We've already earmarked $500 for signage. So I think that's well within what we're hoping for. And I think it'll be a very attractive sign. As I said, I'm getting a proof back. I'll run it by Vince. If anyone else wants to see it, fine, I can run it by. As soon as I get a proof, I can email you if you want to see it. But that's who I was told. They seem like nice folks. Guy's name there is, I think, Daniel Kirkpatrick or something. So that's who I've been dealing with. OK. All right. Well, I appreciate the update. OK. Anything from the board? Thank you very much, Phil. You are welcome. Thank you. Thank you, Phil. Yep. All right. So we have a discussion for the appointment of emergency management director and EMC coordinator. That's correct. I think we have someone from the fire department that may be interested that's here tonight to talk about that. And Bruce Richardson is also willing to. He was the, forget the official title. He was not the director, but he was the coordinator in the past. Right. And he is more than willing to still serve in that coordination. Bruce has been in the coordination, and then typically it's been a. You were the. Yeah, I know. Lucky doesn't make any sense. You weren't inherited it by the position, I believe, but the. So by we have to have these failed. We had some discussion on it prior where. Yeah, there wasn't a statue. Yeah, there was a certain requirement. There's a requirement for it that we had. So what are the requirements? I'll have to pull them back up because I don't have a memorized. No, it's my under key. Is that why you're here, Keith? That's why I'm here. OK. They want. Two members from the towns. One is the on the town emergency management board. Usually the director that that be Bruce. And then the other is. Either from the fire department, the police department or EMS. And there. You know, they suggest one of the department heads for that. So when I don't know if it was that chief. And today. What's that? Who's that? It's the. There's a new name for it. What's the name for it? I'm looking it up because I don't have a memory. It's basically the regional planning. Hi, this is Bruce Richardson. Can you hear me? Hi, Bruce, the answers. Yeah, it's the regional emergency management committee. And what the state is established to replace the old local emergency planning committee. All right. What traditionally what position have you failed, Bruce? Well, under the old LEPC, it was all volunteers and no, there was no assigned positions. The, but the state that we're having trouble keeping the LEPC's active and meeting. So the state has restructured things and have created this regional emergency management committee with two people appointed from each town. And so that way they're hoping they can get more. More active participation in these regional committees for doing regional emergency planning. And that sort of thing. So anyway, in the past, it's just like I say, been a voluntary thing with the, then the people who participate would fall. They'd vote for a chair and a vice chair. And those kind of things. And it was run that way under the new system. It's going to be. The state's going to be funding support person from the regional planning commission. And they'll still be people voted to be chairpersons. And that sort of thing. But. As far as the, being the member from the new REMC's. As it was said that there's two people that have to be appointed by the towns. One is the emergency management director who can then in turn designate another person to be the member to the REMC. And I had raised my hand to do that position as the emergency management coordinator for the town. And then the other position had to be filled by somebody from the emergency response community as chief. Keith had noted. So that's pretty much where things stand. I hope that answered your question. Okay. What are the different roles. You know, Right now it's, it's kind of up in the air, but I believe the plant, it's going to be a, they're going to have each REMC is going to work with their community, all the member towns and come up with a regional. Emergency response plan. So that's what it's going to look like. It's, it's, this is something new. Before this, the local emergency planning committees primarily focused on hazardous materials. And keeping a database of all the, the businesses and government facilities in a given town. That had hazardous materials. So that's, that's a, that's a, that's a, that's a more focused on a regional emergency response. Kind of goals and focus and, and so forth. So we then said, we put these positions on our website saying that we were accepting applications, anything like that. We have not yet. This is the first discussion. That we've really had about it. I can certainly take an action to do that. Get some sort of description. I'll work with Bruce. So I assume you have interest in the keys, right? I would be willing to fill that position. The second position has to be from the emergency services community, not just a general public member. Right. And from what I was reading that was sent out to Bruce and so on and so forth. They're really looking for the heads of departments to fill those positions. Yep. So I think what we'll do, and what we've done previously, even though not understand, we don't have a lot of information now, like men's staff do a little bit of research on it. What we're going to do is like, with any of our positions we've had here, whether it's conservation commission, anything like that, we'd put it out. We do have a deadline for this, Vince. I know of. I think there is one. Bruce can probably tell us. I believe we're already... Bruce, you know the deadline for this? The state had asked for the people to be appointed by 1 November. Today. So my apologies for not having this before you sooner. That's on me. That's okay. My guess is there's a little bit of leniency in that, being it's a new system or new setup, right? What we've done in the past is, when possible, advertise the position or an opening to see who had interest in it. We set that standard with the conservation commission. We set that with our other board, with our other committees, most recently. And though, well, I know both you and Keith are probably well qualified for the position. I feel like we need to advertise that based on everything we've done prior. Bruce, do you know if there's a, any kind of a minimum standard for experiencing this? I don't recall there being anything in the state guidance that was sent out. So I'm not aware there being any. I think the intent is that, by virtue of having the town emergency management director be one of the persons, or somebody he designates would have the similar kind of experience and qualifications. And as far as the emergency services representative, just says it has to be from, in that area, fire, police, or emergency medical services. And when they say it's going to be a regional committee, what's the region? Is it like county or is it a smaller group? It can vary. My understanding is it'll be the same boundaries as what was formerly LEPC-5, which was Washington County, plus a small portion of Orange County. So it's, in our case, it's roughly by county, but some areas are like up in the Northeast Kingdom. They have a bigger area. So it's not just by county. There was a map in the package that was sent. I don't know if the select board got it, but Vince should have a copy of it. That shows a map of how they were going to lay it out. Vince said he'll send that out after for us. Anything else, Bruce, for an update for us? No, that's pretty much it. Appreciate the opportunity to participate virtually for health reasons. So thank you for that. We appreciate your time and everything you've done for us. Absolutely. Thank you. You're very welcome. Thank you, Bruce. It sounds like we should get this posted to the website, except cover letter, letter of interest, letter of interest. Seek interest in volunteers. I'll get some descriptions, some details on it. As long as I think if we have it up there for a week or so, we should probably have enough and send letters of interest. I'll try to contact whoever I can find to contact within the state and tell them we probably won't have until the next select board meeting. Right. So I'll work between now and then to... So it's hard to make a decision without having and not even knowing what we're looking at, exactly what we need to tell for a position and what. This is the first time we've talked about it. How does the board know anything about that? Well, if you're going to a point, I mean, if you're going to take and post it, apparently there's no minimum qualifications, so anybody could be it, hopefully the... As I understand, we're only going to be appointing one person in the... What is it? The management director, and he's going to appoint the... appoint the coordinator. I think, well, actually, I think we appoint two positions. Point of both. See, that's why I want to get some more information. I think we appoint both. I think the emergency management director can appoint a representative, and we have to appoint a coordinator as well. I think there's two that we need to do. Because traditionally what we've done is, like Bruce was the management director, I guess, last year, technically, I was the coordinator, which I did a terrible, terrible job at, so I really didn't know. So that's why I'd like to get some more information and figure out exactly how we're going to fill these roles for the town. Well, probably have it posted and take and just send up the information in an email. Yeah. Yep. We'll get it on the website as well. Any of you want to argue? No, we'll just look at the state's guidance to see what they're looking for for personnel because they seem to have, even though they don't say there's minimum qualifications by... by the fact of who they're basically suggesting gets appointed to it, they're basically qualifications. There's some requirements there. Yeah, absolutely. That's what Ben's talking about. One would personal. Yep. I will. Thank you. Thank you for the call. Thank you. I might call you and Bruce as I'm looking into this as well. Absolutely. Next, policy for acceptance of roads, highways, Yes. and I select board for review and discussion. Yes. So this came about when we started talking about taking over the ownership of Dodge Farm Road. I was asked by the board to do a little bit of research and see what we did on previous roads and things. I will say I used... I kind of used Partridge's Farm as the baseline. That was done from new construction up, though, right from the beginning. So I looked at a couple other roads. Tim gave me some information as well. And what I did was try to make a hybrid policy that covers both. So if a contractor comes into town or an owner comes into town and wants to build a new subdivision and a road, we can give them this to look at. What's going to be done if they ever think that they want the town to take the road over? If someone comes in that already has a private road that they want the town to take over, we can give them the same document and they can pull out what they need to meet for requirements as well. And again, there'll be a caveat at the end of this draft as well that the select board always has the right to make exceptions to the rule as well. So if there are exceptions that need to be made, and the town is willing to do so, it can be done in line with this policy as well. But it gives a good baseline. It covers a lot of things. So I'm sure you're not going to want to read through it all tonight and make a decision. But again, it's there to review and look at as a baseline. I think for a lot of it, we'll probably have to turn to Tim or review and review and see where it falls within standards. Have you got an opportunity to review this? Not like word for word, but yeah, we've gone through it. It covers a lot of stuff and I think it's definitely a very good start. And it does be required to meet the kind of sound standards and state standards for roads. What that requires as well. The nice thing about it is it keeps everybody equal. We need to have a policy in place for anything like this. So in the past, we always followed the state guidelines. This actually says, it basically follows the state guidelines, but there's some other things in there that I pulled out as well. I think the last road we accepted was up on Vine Street and we did have them do bore samples. Because we weren't sure of the road. They've done more samples as well on Dodge Farm that we have. So I'm just going to throw this out there. I was talking with Tim earlier as well. One of the things that I'm going to throw out there that we might want to do or consider is for Tim and I to take this and go up to Dodge Farm Road, look at how it meets, what it meets, if it meets, or if there are any exceptions before you make the final decision and then you can look at this compared to our findings as well to say, yeah, that's fine. Those exceptions are fine. Or hey, everything's great. There's nothing left to do, so kind of use that at the test platform for this as well. Maybe we need to change this. You may want to make recommendations to change this based on the findings as well. So I just want to throw that out there. It's something to think about as well. Okay. We've done samples. I think it's important to have a policy like this in place for future development. Actually, everything in development. I mean, if I look at the Dodge Farm Road, okay, well, from a municipal standpoint, they're building how many more houses up there with how much tax revenue that generates for the town. You know, if the road's up to standards, then I think it's kind of important that we... Or not kind of. It's definitely important that way. There should be a policy. There should be a policy in place so that whatever developer goes into place and goes in to do the property, understands the guidelines, understands what it'll take. Because I'm sure that having your house on either paved road or dirt road or dirt side road, it makes a difference with values, maintenance, road, everything. So how does the board feel we should proceed with this acceptance and reclassification? Do you want to go up, take a look, have you review it, go from there? It seems reasonable. It does seem reasonable. I hate to drag on. I've got the process on as we're going into winter too. I'm sure that's a concern. I want to make sure that when we do it, we do it the right way and we make sure we set a standard that we can use for the future. And thank you for bringing it to the board because otherwise we'd be working on this maybe right now. Do you have any questions or concerns or anything you wanted to add to that at all? No, I'm listening in and I might stay for the economic development committee part. Oh, that would be excellent. You were on it according to the flow chart that we had, so I appreciate it. And that'll give us time to review all of this as well. Sure. That was a great question. Are you available Thursday morning because Tim and I were talking about doing that last Thursday morning this week to keep this moving. If you'd like to join us, I don't have to but I'll just throw it out there. At what time? It'll probably be around 9.30. Between 9 and 9.30. Wonderful. That's great. Thank you. If you want us to come up to the house and let you know that we're there and you want to call you to bother. We could just meet there at 9.30. Okay. I'll give you a call before we leave here. We'll just meet up there. Thank you, Roberta. You're welcome. We'll see you guys later. Have a good evening. Thanks, Tim. Appreciate your input. Thanks, Tim. See you. I'm going to eat it. You, too. Super duper. Any cob stoppers that you had? No, I don't know. Okay. All right. Our fun usage discussion. I was asked to keep that on the agenda. There's really nothing new to knock on at this point. I don't want to speak for Diane, but we've got the first two deposits in the account earning the interest. Well, not much right now, but yeah, what we received from the municipal portion was 145,568.32. County was 270,088.34 for total 415,656.66. And that should double, right? I believe it. We've got one payment. The second payment is supposed to be the same. Yep. We'll get it. So that's what we received so far. And what is our date? We have to spend the spot again. I thought it was 2025. Well, we have, I understood it correctly. I'll look at it again to make sure, but I think we have, it has to be committed the first round of funds. So the money that she has now has to be committed. Doesn't have to be spent. It has to be committed within two years. So this is 2021. So 2023, that those funds have to be committed to a project. And then the second round by 2025. Okay. To the state. To the state. We have to come in and have the state. Oh, okay. Yeah. Okay. What that money is going to go for. On those projects. We go. Yep. We have a little bit of time still. Yes. The list can change. We can add or delete. Well, we're still, we're working on it. Anything else for that? No. Discussion from the board? So we have a second review of policy for acceptance or reclassification of town highways on the agenda. A letter of intent to participate in the road grant. Tim just left. So we have an opportunity for the grants and aid program purchase to get an award of up to $6,000 for a hydroceder this year. If we want to purchase that with a 20% cost on the town side. So about $1,500 that we can put in for. And that's the reason for this. Do we want to do we want to do that? Tim, again, I don't want to speak too much. But he said the hydroceder obviously would be a little more efficient for him. And when he's ditching and doing culverts and things or the side of the road work, if he needs seating, any of those things, he can, one man can basically go out pretty much with a traffic guide and do that. Maximum of $6,000. Yep. That requires a match. Yeah. 20% for this. We get an 80% pay for it. Basically, it's a grant for 80% of it. Again, this isn't a decision doesn't have to be made tonight. Great if you do. But it's not due until it has to be by November 19th. Does he have it in the budget? Money in the budget? That's a great question. Refer to Diane. But which category would that go under? Tools and equipment. Tools and equipment. And so we're talking like $1,200. 15. No more than $1,500. I do feel strongly too. If he has it in the budget, that's something that's going to say potentially on labor and it's in the budget. Anybody have a follow-up on it? I'll verify it, just for sure. Pretty certain. So we'll put it next agenda. We'll get the confirmation. And we have tax forgiveness on amounts under $5. I've got 28 of them because I haven't done it this year at all. And all 28 equal $29.28. If you want to look at them or not, but just I haven't done them for a while. A lot of them are just transpositions or maybe they paid, like say they owed $25.05, they paid $25. A lot of those. Total on $29. $29.28 of them. Yeah, I entertain the motion. So moved. Second. Any discussion? Those in favor say aye. Aye. Thank you, Diane. Motion carries. Park and Lawn Agreement with the City of Montpelier. Yep, that's in your package. I just want you to take a read of it. The only thing I found interesting in there, to be honest, is that they want a whole dollar for us. The city shall have a one dollar. Grant the town the right to construct the parking lot, blah, blah, blah. That's standard lawyer language. I don't know. It's just a one pager agreement. It's in your package. I didn't see it either. So I'll be on that. Should be. Should I state this to the... There it is, then. Oh, sorry. Back here. Okay, maybe I... Again. Again. You can't sit around. You got the letter of intent, though, right? Should have been right behind that. Did you see the letter of intent? There's a letter of intent. Nothing behind it? Shouldn't be. Should be right after that. No, I believe you. I didn't hide it on you. Well, there's mine. It was in my package. All right. Rob's looks at this. What's that? You wrote it. And Montpelier agreed to it? It's in Montpelier's town manager's hands right now. So it says this agreement may have entered into whatever day of November 2021 in between the town of Berlin and Vermont Municipal Corporation, Avermont Municipal Corporation, in Washington, Vermont. City Montpelier, Vermont Municipal Corporation. There is a town seats and maintain 100 by 100 parking area on the portion of city-owned property located in the town located to the west of Brookfield Road and north of Darling Road whereas the parking area will be adjacent to Darling Road and available for use by the public and whereas the city seeks to provide consent to the town to construct and maintain a parking area and to allow use of the area by parking by the public and whereas the city seeks to be indemnified by the town for any claims or suits made against the city or the parking area here including but not limited to claims suits for property damage, personal injury and other claims, damages or losses that may arise from construction maintenance or uses of the parking area where for the parties agree as follows the city shall for $1 and other good consideration grant the town the right to construct and maintain the parking area and to allow parking by the public in the parking area in perpetuity shall indemnify, defend and hold harmless the city and the city's officers employees and agents from all claims or suits for property damage personal injuries, losses, claims suits, demands for payments, demands of any kind and judgments arising from construction maintenance or use of the parking area up to the limit of insurance coverage applicable to such claims and suits. I'm not an attorney but sounds pretty standard. I'll take the count and whatever. That's pretty fair. I'm up with a lot of issues on work field road so we need to authorize need to sign it I guess or authorize the board to sign it if you guys care too. Do we have a dollar? Is that in the budget? I don't know. Let's see what category. Recreation committee. You get a reserve. Take your rather reserve. I'll pull it out of reserves. Good question, Raj. Move to have the chair sign the agreement City of Montpelier. Any discussion? The cost of a dollar. Any discussion? Those in favor say aye. Aye. Motion carries. Now are we on RFP for legal services decision? Now those have to leave the package. Oh. Put both of them in there. I was asked at the last meeting to check on the references for Monahan, Safar, and Lusham. I contacted the three references. You skipped them. I did. I'm sorry. We'll go back to that. I did. I did. I knew I did. We'll go back. All right. Let's have a discussion to reestablish the responsibilities for economic development committee. I can tell you who's again this was brought up and the meeting that we had it to comfort him I was asked to put this on the agenda for discussion. The economic development council was this called here that we had in the past of Mister Touring Nelson. This is Roberta Hanskins. Jeremy Hansen, Jami Stewart, and it did have one vacancy. So it was a five person Council. They were actually. Again, I don't know the history but I do understand that they've been inactive for quite some time but their terms were good according to what we found until this year. So they just expired. Again, we'll be talking some more about it at the next meeting at the Comfort Inn on Tuesday. When was the last time you think you met? Actually, it wasn't that long ago because I think one of the tax stabilizations of this committee was to review the tax stabilization application. It was senior housing. Yeah, so it was for the Deucemich project. Well, that was in the development. I think it was back in 2018. A couple of years ago. And then it started back when Pat McDonald was on the board, I think, and the idea was to try and bring more business integrating and not that there isn't a lot. But at one time, they also went through the options tax. That Jeremy Hansen had really... Yeah, when Jeremy was active with the options tax. So it wasn't a regular meeting committee council, but we were called together periodically for different reasons. Well, I think we're looking at potentially, you know, I think some of us have questioned whether or not our tax stabilization policies, exactly what the town needs or wants at this point in time. And local options tax has come up recently as another discussion item. And I don't know, I don't personally know much about obviously it was on the board just about the time you guys had your last big event or whatever in the town. But I think it could be a valuable resource for the community and the town. I actually think both of those topics probably do need to be revisited. They're pretty, I wouldn't say controversial, but there is a lot of talk on either side of both of those topics, a lot of those and kinds. And it's probably worth giving to people to be able to establish a community just to review them and revisit them. Yeah. It's pretty busy. What are your thoughts, Brad? Well, I was just thinking that it has come to be the point we need to revisit the local options tax, but I think at the same time we need some people to go out and explain it, you know, the benefits of it. And for that I do think the Economic Development Committee should be able to do that. Then the other one, of course, is whether or not we still need to have a tax stabilization because bumpillars built out, berries built out. We're pretty much it. Tour, is this why you're on the phone with us tonight? We can't hear you. Sorry. Um, so typically, I mean, are we advertising to the board? It's never everybody's appointment just expired basically. 2021. So it would have been probably around March or April, typically. I thought is I can reach out. I can try to reach out. Each of those members. And I'll source it. So it's an interest like we have with every other board. Yep. Every other volunteer. I'll post all five basically as making positions. But I'll reach out to the four that have been in it to let them know and see if there's any interest there as well. That's excellent. Then we can put that on the agenda for maybe a month now. So if we, I mean, I take you a week or so to get it out there and do that. And then we have two or three weeks for people to put it on the first meeting in December. Yeah, I think that's not that far away. It's only two meetings away. I know. I know. It's pretty scary. Does that seem like the right time for him or should we push out? Yeah, you know, you need to get it done because we won't start budgeting, right? Yeah, we're already starting to work on that right now. So. Perfect. Roberta, do you remember if the, if the appointments to that committee were they staggered on the, on the document again that I have, they all expired at the same time. I don't think they were staggered. So it's something that we need to consider. I would think so. Yeah, I think it would be wise to consider a staggering staggered. Anything else? Thank you. Thank you, Roberta. Enjoy your evening. We'll see you Thursday. Yes. Appreciate it. All right, RFP legal services. So I was asking, you talked about it in the last meeting. I was asked to check the references that were provided. I've done that. I contacted all three. I got a response from, from two. The other one never, never got back to me. So they, their reference, you know, the responses were, you know, they, they felt fortunate to have them. They find a way to get things done without a lot of drama. They've had it for four years. They're very professional, but they're also very busy, meaning they can be slow to respond. But once they do, they, you know, they get things done. That's what I asked them. What do you mean? They're very busy. How about impact? Okay. The other response was that they had worked with all three that they were recommending and they all did a good job. He also said they're, they're busy and they do need some reminders occasionally from his perspective to follow up to get what, what they're looking for and they, they're good at providing general guidance, you know, over the phone or via email as well as needed. That was for Monaghan Safari. So to be fair, we didn't do reference checks with our current. We did not do reference checks with our current. What's your experience with Zelliger camera? Well, I have to be honest, you know, since Rob has kind of stepped aside, that we have two people that are working with us now. They've been very responsive. An example is the agreement that you saw tonight, you know, I contacted them just a couple of weeks ago because Rob had told me that he had just turned it over to them. So we've got a time for tonight's meeting. So they've been very good. And that as far as that goes, the other benefit that we have with them, you know, they, they know the history that come that organization has been, I believe with the town for almost since 1989, I believe it was. We've been working with Rob Halpert. This company was the date that I saw. Oh, 92. Excuse me. I got it right here. 1992. So they've got a lot of history with the town and Robert is still available to them. If we need to go back and get some details, you know, so there's a little bit of cost associated with that. The big difference is, you know, the dollars and cents as well. How many hours did they bill us for last year? Not scarce because it's about, I mean, it's a 20. We got, we got monohand at 195 an hour and they're raising their rates. They were at 200 and just raising it this year with us. My thought is that I haven't tried to negotiate with them at all to see if they'd be willing to compromise on the rates. I'd ask them for a best and final offer on their rate. Yeah. Well, that's what I'm thinking. Honestly, you know, I definitely wouldn't. If they would come down personally, my recommendation is to stay with them at this point that we know them. We've got two instead of one now working with us. We're getting good responses and they know us. I mean, they, they can provide us information fairly quickly. These others are, I suspect they're very good based on their references as well. They're in Burlington. I don't have a response on any travel costs or anything like that as well. You know, if we invited the meetings, whether there is none, maybe, but I don't know the answer to that yet either. I haven't got any information back on that. We can, we can probably push it out another week if you want me to do some talking first. I don't know. We, we have been kicking this down the road a little bit. Well, I would try to get the travel costs and I would also ask for the best and final from both of them. I think the best and final from both of them is a vice-choice and under Monaghan Safar and Desharm, they do say in their other costs on rare occasions when necessary, we charge actual costs for out-of-pocket expenses incurred on our clients behalf, but they do preface it with on rare occasions. Yeah. So in all fairness to them, what does that mean? Right. I'm comfortable with that. Honestly, that statement and that's why I want some clarity from a person. And that makes sense. What does that mean? Travel, meals, lodging. And any clarity from either one and best final offer, I think is a wise, wise route to take. Thank you. Discussion of hiring a public work staff person? Because you asked me. I did an overview of what I do for work. So it's just, you know, this is not absolutely everything that I do, but what I am also what I'm when you're looking at this, the first part was when I was first hired. These are the things I did. Then when Dana came on board and was more comfortable, more efficient, he added some things. Those two things were 40 hours a week. Then after Dana left, I did step up and try to help Tom because obviously he was just really overwhelmed. Although what's happening now is I'm still getting more and more work added to me and I can't do it all. Did Tom take any of the work back once he took back his regular duties? You know, he's given me more. And one of the things that we'll probably talk about it in the executive session, but some of the, I asked Diane to do this because I realized that we had a public works assistant. We did originally. Originally that then resigned whatever was never replaced. So I wondered where. Well, that's when Tom took over. He came into the picture and then they because they wanted him to do different things that this person could was enjoying my slow response to that at that point was just supposed to be entering the meeting readings and doing the bills. That's never been the case. I've always done a lot more. I've added allocations, keeping track of allocations is just there's a lot more to it. I'm actually going to explain it in here, but it's they've changed the way they do the billing and that was a huge amount of work and it still is because they just they keep it keeps revolting. It keeps getting bigger and they are getting more allocations. They are getting more people on board. So they just more and more and more and I'm not losing any of it. It is. Do you do any positive reporting meaning do you keep track of how many hours you spend on the enterprise fund because that's all I have. I have. Yeah. When I do a billing is of course isn't it's not all at one time. I usually do you know a couple different times but it's about about 35 to 40 hours every quarter anyways and that's not the time that I spend on the allocations like this person just bought an allocation and you could keep track of this and you could do all the paperwork for but when I do the billing from beginning to end and get it out in the mail because that does take time. I got like 450 bills. It's about 40 hours and that's that part of your that part of your pay is paid for through the enterprise fund. That's what I was asking. So no none of my pay right at the very least. I'm not dismissing like the extra work but at the very least those hours should be captured and paid for by the by the rate payers. That's why I was keeping track of it because Dana and I Dana said he was going to do something and of course it's not here but I think there's two things that play right there. I'm just trying to fully understand that we need to make sure that the enterprise fund is being right accordingly. The second piece was I have to assume at this point Tom offloaded stuff because he was trying to do the town manager's role and his role at the same time and was trying to get you know or ask Diane to help because of that but those things that were on his plate before should really go back to his play I think they should go back to they should go back somewhere right. I mean definitely off. I mean I think was in your experience saying with these with these things that happen primarily in the absence of our previous administrator did some of this happen prior not prior no not prior was after and obviously I stepped up to play and say hey I'm going to help you we're going to get these things done but I just feel right now that the vision is the lines are blurred right now for him and so Vince tells me to do something he tells me to do the same thing basically I'm going to Vince several times about it I think that needs to come to an end because it's just more work for me and I have a very large workload as it is. Yep absolutely so I think that's some of we'll have some discussion we're going to have a potential executive session around personnel anyway so we can talk about well also I want to give you another piece of paper that has to do with the grants I have okay these are the grants that I've got going on right now so I'm curious maybe when you're handing those out what I just don't know off the top of my head what portion of Tom's salary is paid for by the enterprise fund I kind of gave that stuff to you I'd have to get that out okay do you have all the things I gave you on that because I did give that to I just don't have the off the top of my head okay I think that's some of our documents ask your question again so I'm clear though I want to make sure so in our town budget right or when we budget for something especially if a split role where someone's doing half an enterprise fund type of role that's supposed to be completely separate right interesting and then a town role right we need to make sure that we're positive reporting or billing so that enterprise function is kept whole and not not blurred it's clear that rate payers are paying for rate payer stuff and the town isn't picking up the rate payer stuff or vice versa so we're going to cover that for sure we have okay information on that we'll cover in the executive session but on the grants all I wanted to say is that normally in a year I have four to six great most of my police right now I've got 15 grants going and then I'll probably get up to 22 or maybe even 25 that's overwhelming because each one of them wants something very very different and I'm not an engineer obviously so it's very it's been very difficult to try to put these things together because they want me to categorize them and I might say they it's the companies that we're trying to get reimbursement from so I guess that's part of it I mean this in a very loving way what do you want? I want them to hire somebody part time okay I do not want the sewer and water role in my job right now the grants I have to do a portion of it because that's my job but I am going to need more help with the grants because she wants me to slow down just a little bit on the grants coming in as well so I got a message from her everyone does in every government organization right now so you want the water and sewer off your plate right I mean I have to do the overall accounting for it which is fine but I really don't want to be doing the sewer readings and the billing and the people calling me asking me questions and then I also have to set up meter readings if they're selling your house I set up all of that then I have to do manual bills and I do a lot of manual billing for them and you're doing and I'm still doing accounting and waiting on everybody right I have a lot of people that come in every day yeah yeah especially right now I mean obviously the two weeks before you know taxes are due people will start really streaming in but in the summertime that first payment in August that is just overwhelming because a lot of people pay for the entire year okay and there's a lot of questions okay I've had my share we're lucky to have you I mean yeah um anything else Diane? I know I guess if you look at what I've highlighted on the sheet that I gave you for what I do it's just not a whole lot of separation of duty in that and I need to have more separation of duty so when I'm looking at code all the vendor invoices because that's what I'm doing right now I'm helping you know Vince and Chief I'm also doing the war and so I'm also signing the checks I'm also sending that out so I mean we do have to get to a point where Vince and I have talked about it that they need to start coding their own and actually that was brought up during the time of the audit and also on the grants right now Vince and Tom go after the grants but then all the paperwork goes to me and I'm the one trying to get the money back and there's just not enough separation of duty in that PC okay okay thank you for bringing it up I'm glad you did I appreciate it thank you we'll talk about all right approval of license permits vouchers and applications make the motion to approve payroll warrant 22-08 for payroll from October 10th 2021 to October 23rd 2021 paid on October 27th 2021 in the amount of 45,928 dollars and 56 cents payroll payable warrant 22-G07 with checks 21-535 to 21-565 in the amount of 64,318 dollars and 9 cents also the October 2021 reconciled bank statements for the general fund and sewer water divisions and the October general journal injury second any discussion second those in favor say aye all right all the payroll the yellow yellow yellow aye motion carries didn't hear you I'm sorry I'm not too busy doing I know I know do somebody else's work here okay this is what we're talking about the pay getting difficult for time all right so once again May 27th yes well we district and family and judge mm-hmm John now or absent or absent so everyone or here no no may 27 thank you you too here all right round table just one thing to real quick update you on this right here had a conversation with the hospital today they are bringing back now the cold it is somewhat over their psychiatric project for the project so they are looking at don't have copies of all this I have one copy what they're looking at for the project is I think it's a three-story addition here over this parking lot they're going to raise that building turn it into parking and they're also talking about this area over here we're turning into parking as well so again they'll when they have more information they'll let us know and they're going to let me know when they want to get on the agenda and come speak to the board I've got to answer that part of the we really don't talk about it much but part of the economic development committee would be projects like that too where how's that going to impact our public services and our safety so let's make sure that we did talk a little bit about from the use perspective what's what's that going to look like for you know both up to both ends the water coming in and the water going out type of thing as well so there is some conversation starting with their department I mean we have to follow what we have set in place but we'd like to have discussions around any additional equipment that's going to be needed in our services as a result of any of that that'll all tie in again they need to they were kind enough to contact us to say hey we'd like to just let you know where we're at with this you know kind of resurrecting this and then as they get closer and a little more information we recommended that they come speak to the board as well so that when they get there they'll let us know to get them on the agenda and they can come face to face excellent I'd appreciate that anything else what well Brad personal personal some more second any discussion those in favor say aye alright alright executive session thank you