 You're doing a very good job for the Koch brothers who support you and fund you That will deny climate I can't believe you want to come on TV and just say black as white up is down You're wrong. You're not a climate scientist You just watched environmental activist and journalist Betsy Rosenberg called out Koch funded fossil fuel shill Alex Epstein And he was so mad that she called out his ties to the Koch brother He decided to take to Twitter to not only post this L But called her a liar He writes Betsy Rosenberg on news nation is lying about me because she has no argument against the benefits of fossil fuel Energy now we're gonna watch the whole clip and as you're going to see she has all the arguments And he has no arguments in fact in his book that he was trying to hawk on that program before she shut him down He literally is calling for more fossil fuels You heard that right at this time in 2022 when the planet is burning. He's saying we need more fossil fuels more coal That's good. That's the moral argument that I'm going to make as a philosopher. Yeah, he's a Koch funded Philosopher so more about Alex Epstein from accountable Epstein is the founder of the Koch funded for-profit think tank center for Industrial progress which pushes pro fossil fuel rhetoric and solicits donations to fund its anti-environment work Again, the enterprise is a for-profit think tank in 2016 Epstein's group was included in a Massachusetts lawsuit against Exxon for misleading the public on climate change and fossil fuels Responding to the Massachusetts Attorney General's request for his emails in the case Epstein wrote fuck off fascist and argued for Exxon's ability to spread Disinformation Epstein's dodgy history of anti-climate activism includes denying climate change dismissing concerns over climate catastrophe's and pushing for increased fossil fuel usage Even claiming it is a moral crime to oppose the oil and gas industry Jesus Christ charging exorbitant speaking fees a usual rate of $23,500 and speaking to some of the biggest oil corporations in the country Opposing climate conscious flaring reductions and the Paris climate accords by American Petroleum Institute providing pro-oil Anti-climate talking points to officials including Texas regulators and Governor Greg Abbott following the Texas blackouts So this individual is I think the quintessential corporate shill He is a talking head for the fossil fuel industry and that's how he made a name for himself But yet he's claiming that Betsy Rosenberg is trying to smear him Because she doesn't have an argument this is corporate shilling parading around as pseudo-intellectualism And it's clownish and as you're going to see he looks like a clown Hence why Betsy Rosenberg was easily able to slap him around whenever he brought up any idiotic Fossil fuel talking points. This is genuinely incredible to watch take a look I cannot believe in mid 2022 when 99.9 percent of all climate scientists, which I don't think you are alex I saw that you studied computer science in college doesn't make you an expert on climate change I'm not a scientist either But I believe science and we have a problem in this country with eco illiteracy and science illiteracy and this kind of Just really distorting of the situation does not help and we have no time to waste I mean, do you not understand what's happening? I was just in Rome last week The river is so low you can it's you can almost see the sand They declared a state of emergency. They call it state of calamity there because the lazio region which Rome is in Is so dry and that they a heat wave just went across Europe twice We just went through two heat waves here while I was away I mean records are are breaking and and temperatures are melting It's just beyond belief we have 420 parts per million of greenhouse gases in the atmosphere right now It's gone up exponentially quickly Compared to you know, what happened before the last 20 to 50 years I mean, what about that is normal and and by the way every time you see Okay, I need some time to respond because it's short second alex alex I'll give you time to respond. Let's let Betsy finish what she was saying I just want to say thank you There's a signature when you when you see somebody in oklahoma or texas who's been hit by a tornado a hurricane a fire Extreme wildfires are a huge problem when they say we've never seen anything like this We've never we can't prepare for this. We can't build back whole towns and parts of cities have been leveled Like Hiroshima bombs from the the storms on steroids that we've never seen before. What about that is a joke alex Not very funny. Yeah, so so I did not take it Well, I mean intellectually the way you're approaching it is a joke But it's not a funny joke And so I mentioned at the beginning you're ignoring the benefits of fossil fuels which has caused an energy crisis You didn't address that at all as I've pointed out to you before you're ignoring the fact that we're actually safer than ever From climate-related disasters. This is documented by non-partisan organizations You're evading this the climate catastrophe movement evades this It's just a fact that climate-related disaster deaths are down 98 percent over the last century On another planet maybe on another planet not I get to speak I thought I was gonna go on alex alex. This is this is documented I'm happy to send you the the references and in fossil future It's very very important for for us to know that we're safer from climate than ever because of fossil fuels The fact that we've warmed the planet one degree does not mean a catastrophe Unless you have this primitive religious view that changes evil and hellish just because we we caused it The earth is a much better place. We're safer than ever from climate And the only thing going wrong is the energy policies that you support are starving people around the world All right, that's very quickly about 10 seconds You're doing a very good job for the Koch brothers who who support you and fund you and here's another incorrect state You want to do some reading that will deny climate I can't believe you want to come on tv and just say black is white up is down. You're wrong You're not a climate scientist. This will teach you how to think clearly about the issues Guys, we can talk about this guys where we can talk about this and and argue about this for for some time Dangerous wise She did an incredible job considering it's really difficult to argue against people Who are saying something that is so untrue? It's borderline delusional like what he's saying flies in the face of empirical reality And just to kind of give you a little bit more of a sense as to who this individual is in that book that he was trying to promote His core argument is that the negative aspects of greenhouse gas emissions will be outweighed by all of the good that fossil fuel causes And we actually quote require more oil coal and natural gas You know just like the fossil fuel industry wants good little puppet Now he'd claim that he's not a climate change denier because he acknowledges That fossil fuels have warmed the planet Uh, but you have to understand this is a new form of denialism climate deniers The oil and gas industry has shifted the goalposts. They can no longer just deny the existence of anthropogenic climate change So what they say now is sure climate change is happening, but Maybe we shouldn't take this action Maybe we should invest in more fossil fuels because that will eventually be the solution To climate change or it'll come up with a fossil fuel type solution to climate change It's basically advocating for pouring gasoline on a fire. That's already existing when we have a limited amount of time Ignoring everything that the scientific community has to say and it's just it's it's laughable like this is clown shit right here This is pro apocalypse shit right here that this shill for the coke brothers and fossil fuel industry is espousing And i've got to admit overall even if betsy rosinberg did a really phenomenal job I'm torn by these kinds of segments by these kinds of debates And i'm torn by the whole model of news nation, which is a relatively new uh news network to my understanding because They take a cnn approach, but just like they're more explicit about it. They go right down the middle We are not left. We're not right We want you to hear both arguments and so that facilitates these types of debates But the problem is that I mean These aren't all debatable issues like trans rights, for example, should they or shouldn't they be allowed to exist That's not debatable Racism, you know, some people are saying that racism, you know, it doesn't exist any longer Others are saying that it does exist. It does institutional racism exist Do we have to have this debate? I mean The evidence is on the side of people who are living in this reality So when it comes to whether or not climate change is real and we should do anything about it I think that having these conversations Is inherently troubling because this is not a debatable issue the debate is over The question is do we act or do we let the world burn so that way people like Alex Epstein and his funders in the fossil fuel industry can can continue to make lots of profits Offal fucking up the one habit old planet that we have access to so when it comes to issues like climate change I'm sorry, but this is not a debatable issue I don't think that any climate deniers should be platformed at this stage in time because it's tantamount to Supporting mass death of not just human beings, but all kinds of species on this planet That's what this individual right here is advocating for by supporting Not just the fossil fuel industry, but literally advocating for more fossil fuel extraction So, you know, I get the appeal Of these kinds of news outlets because you see CNN MSNBC Fox news and you see how partisan they are So you have these new You know competitors come along and they try to claim that they're not partisan and they're going to give you both sides But not both sides are equal in this particular instance You know making An argument about marginal tax rates. That's a debatable issue Talking about, you know, what we should do To alleviate, you know, the cost of tuition in the united states. That's something that's debatable There are various solutions that you could probably apply But debating whether or not we should take action to literally save all life on the planet I just feel like that's not debatable. It's in the human's best interest and humanity's best interest To never platform shills like this, but still, you know If you have the opportunity to speak And get the point across as Betsy Rosenberg did then I think that as lefties as people who Want to just have a planet Sure, we should take, you know, them upon that opportunity but news networks like news nation to push this like neutrality When objectivity Facts is what matters most I just it feels gross and I wish that they wouldn't do that. Don't give platforms to people Who profit off of the destruction Of earth