 Hey everybody, welcome to Linuxcast. I'm your host Matt. And I'm Tyler. And I'm Pete. Yes, we actually got it in the right order at the first time, which is good. So welcome to the Linuxcast. I'm gonna be banning one of my moderators here pretty soon. Because he won't stop trolling me. It's okay. I love you, Dad. You're awesome. Just stop with the nuggies, man. Stop with the nuggies. It's just one of those words. It's like moist. Anyways, welcome to the Linuxcast. This is going to be one of those episodes where Matt doesn't know what the hell he's doing. So in other words, situation normal off. You get the idea. Anyways, we talk about Linuxy things on this podcast. We don't do it in a professional manner. So if you are tuning into the podcast, expecting professionalism, you should go find another podcast to listen to. I'm just saying. I mean, we try to stay away from the adult stuff. We've toned down some of that, but we're still going to be us. That's the way it's going to be. Much to my dismay. Much to my dismay. He wanted the adult stuff to stay. I'm sorry. It's YouTube, man. Come on. I want to make at least $3 from the podcast. Otherwise, I can't do it if I get demonetized. I need that $3, man. All right. Anyways, you can tell that I'm very, very wordy today and I have no clue what we're talking about. Oh wait, apps. But anyways, before we jump into our essential apps for 2023, what we're going to be doing today, as we always do is start off the podcast with talking about what we've done this week in open source. So Tyler, you go first, my friend. Well, I have started making content again. That's something that's happened. So I know, I know. Really? I know. A whole bunch of videos on it. He posted more videos this week than I did. And they were real down to earth. How the hell? Wow! Mind blown. So yeah, that's what I've been doing. I've been making content. Also, I've been messing around a little bit with my Waybar configuration today. So maybe that'll be pushed up here before too long. I just made the background more transparent and changed around some of the workspace icons. That's pretty much all I've done to it. I've also made it, I think, a little bit thinner. So yeah, that's pretty much all I've been messing around with. Still doing my normal hyperland stuff. I need to finish up my website, but I've been slacking on that big time. So if you go to my website, there's like rendering issues and stuff, just know, I know that's there. I'm fixing up the CSS. But yeah, I'm also trying to get, you know, my podcast, the Linux Nuggies, the new channel up and off the ground. So if you want to go check that out, you can. Matt hates it, the name that is, and it's perfect. It's beautiful. So if you want to support something that you know will slightly irk Matt, please come on and do it. So yeah, that's pretty much what I've been up to. Oh, I'm definitely creating a t-shirt for my store calling I hate Nuggies. That's definitely going to happen. I'm going to, I'm going to see. I don't know if we might have legal trouble between us around this, but what I'm thinking about is getting a shirt design made where we market the new channel and say sponsored by and then have like your face be the biggest item on the t-shirt. I think that's one that we might do. I think that's a design that people will really enjoy and love. My brand is very expensive. You can't afford it. Don't worry. I think we'll be able to work with your manager and get some, you know, beautiful, beautiful. He already has an image of me somewhere because it used to be on his store. So he says, I'm just using it. I'll risk the lawyers, man. All right, Steve, what have you been up to this week? Well, before I start with what I was up to, I need to thank if you show some love to a couple of guys that I recently met on the Linux Gaming FR server on Discord. I need to say a big thank you to Cardiac. Salut, Cardiac. Merci beaucoup pour tout ce que tu fais et continue. And Air Max. Air Max has a channel on YouTube. He live streams Diablo these days. He's an awesome dude. He speaks English. He's currently, I think, in Canada, but he's a French dude. Salut, Air Max. Merci pour tout pour ce que tu fais et continue. With that being said, what I have been up to. Well, I've been up to here with Zero Linux because I need to recently, if you haven't been watching the news, there's a war going on in Lebanon in the South right now. It's not very big. It's not very humongous. It hasn't reached us. But there's trouble boiling in my town, in my country. So I needed to sink myself into my work. So I was working a lot on Zero Linux. There's a new script that I just finished thanks to VLK. He's a bash genius. I just used basic bash language to write it. And then I sent it over to him. He turned it into like he's a machine. He's a human machine that turns basic bash language into professional bash language. He cleaned it up. He made it look good. And the commands are shortened from this long to this long. So the script I'm talking about is an NVIDIA driver installer that makes it work with Wayland on Zero Linux. Yeah, I'm casting spells. Yeah, Kudu. I'm casting spells because it's French. But anyway, the script now installs, not only installs the NVIDIA drivers, but it makes sure that the proper Wayland stuff is done to the system for GNOME and KDE. So now with the next starting next release, Zero Linux will work with NVIDIA and Wayland. Beyond that, what happens beyond that is not my problem. I made sure it works out of the box. Once you install your NVIDIA drivers, if you have hybrid graphics, not on me. But other than that, I spent a lot of time killing LatteDoc. LatteDoc is gone, replaced by the KDE panel. And guess what, guys? KDE with the KDE add-ons, the Plasma add-ons is bringing back the Compiz Q. That makes me excited because I love that Q. And what else was I doing? Oh, yeah. With the GTK, recent GTK4 update, they broke GTK theming again. So somebody created a patch on the AUR in case you want to use it. Thanks, Eric from ARCO. So there's a patch called LibAdvita without Advita. You install that on XSCE specifically. You want to know what, hold on. I'm sorry, Steve. I don't mean to interrupt, but Nate, you can take your $5 and just shove it in. I swear to God. Also, we had a wonderful comment earlier. Tyler, you should call all of your subscribers Nuggies and number them because apparently I'm now Nuggy number two. I hated that so much. I'm sorry, Steve. You could finish that. I apologize for it, but I just had to... No, it's okay. I cut you off all the time. So it's but the final thing I did was update GNOME and all the extensions, building them from source, not from the extensions website, because on the extensions website, they haven't been updated yet to work with GNOME45. So yeah. So the extensions work with all the extensions I had before work on GNOME45. And that's what I've been up to. I need to find something else to sink myself into or else I'm going to go shit my pants due to the war. Is it going to happen? Is it not going to happen? Well, we hope it doesn't happen, Steve. We want you to be safe. All right. So I've been fighting with everybody, man. I've been so feisty this week. It's been really, really bad. Oh my God, George. I swear to God. Yes, people. I swear to God. I'm actually going to make a rule from now on. If you want to say the word Nuggies, you have to give me $5. That's a new rule. That's great. Help out the channel and piss them off at the same time. How could you possibly do better? Anybody else going to get mad when they get a super chat? How dare you send me a super chat? Take it back. I don't want to hear that word anymore. No. I'm just going to end the me in the corner. Just know Nuggies, Nuggies, Nuggies, Nuggies, Nuggies, Nuggies, Nuggies, Nuggies. Oh God. Oh God. The podcast has gone off the rails and it's all your guys fault. I'm not recommending this at all. At all. But I think it would be funny if your patrons switched their user profile names to be Nuggies with a random number behind it. That would be hilarious. Now, don't do that unless you're cool. Oh God. All right. So I've been very feisty this week. I pissed off the Flatpak developers, which is quite a task because I just did. I also pissed off the Qtile developers. And who else? Oh, I made Nicolo angry at me. Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, Matt. Hey, Josh, what have you done with Matt? Yeah, I'm getting banned by everybody. I'm getting trolled in my own chat. If you guys are listening to the audio podcast, I'm sorry, man, but the chat is just, they're sending me lots of money. It's great, but they're all just pissing me off because I keep using the word Nuggies. I can't stand that word. It just makes me dry my teeth. This is the worst trolling of Matt ever. Congratulations, guys. I'm quitting. There's a new one in chat. There's a new super chat. Thank you, Steve, for your $2. I'm also banning you from the podcast. Get off my podcast. Super Nugsta Gangsta. Anyways, I made a lot of developers mad at me this week. I apologize for that. I didn't mean to make anybody mad, but I just had some interesting time. What did you do? What did you do? What did you do? What did you tell them? What do you have to tell us what you told them? I made a video. Okay, so let me, the flat pack wasn't the worst one. So I made a video about flat pack saying that I was no longer going to use flat pack because it stopped being good on my machine. All I did was tell exactly in that video what's happening for me. First off, they take up a lot of space. I had almost 50 gigabytes of flat packs on my machine. Had a lot of flat packs, sure, but it was 50 gigabytes and still coming. I will get to the super chats here in a minute and thank you and also curse you at the same time. But anyways, so at the end of the video, I said, because I was taking up some space and I'm running out of room on my main hard drive, and I don't want to have to reinstall open Susan because I'm on a challenge for like the literally the next two years, I needed to get rid of. Who cares if they're occupying more space if they're more stable? Come on, man. Steve, let me finish. Anyways, they're taking up a lot of space, which alone wasn't enough to give me a speech, because they're also for whatever reason on open SUSE, they're really, really slow. Now, I've been told this is probably an open SUSE problem. Open SUSE has some really weird things with Polkit going on, always has, always will. They're never going to fix it. So I just explained why I personally wasn't going to use flat packs. The flat pack devs took that as an offense because I wasn't going to use flat packs. And I just said, I was in that video, I never told anybody else to not use flat packs and never told anybody else that they should go use distro box. I just said, I was going to go use distro box instead of flat packs because it was going to take up less space. Yeah, you didn't pull a DT, like DT with this video about the system tray. For example, I had that 50 gigabytes of flat packs. I installed every single application I had as a flat pack inside of one arch distro box. And it took up, it went from 50 gigabytes to three gigabytes. And that includes the arch system itself, like all the packages, like everything. Now it does include no, I will put a provisor out there that it doesn't include the personal data. So I'm assuming that in my home directory somewhere, there's like, Vivaldi takes up a lot of fucking space with a whole bunch of stuff that it stores. So I'm assuming that that extra space is, it may end up eventually being exactly the same size which all the personal data is recollected and put in the right spot. So maybe I didn't save anything. Maybe I just pissed off people for no reason. I don't know. All I know is it was my experience. And that's why I just made a video that was my experience and it really made them mad. And you did make it clear that it was your experience. It's not to be generalized. It was just my experience. And the flat pack dev said I was spreading misinformation. Like, okay, I think it's fine. Different people, different experiences. I have a person on my server who has issues with flat packs as well. The duplication, like Jorge said, the duplication of packages like the NVIDIA drivers. If you don't do remove unused, you might end up with like 12 versions of the NVIDIA drivers. They haven't fixed that yet. Correctly, at least. Well, like I had like four different versions of Mesa. Yeah. So duplication. That's a serious issue. I think it's just the way that it works. And it's fine. It's just, and for some things, like, I'm still using the flat pack version of OBS right now, just because I had already had all the scenes and stuff set up and I'm too lazy to move it over to the open suzer thing. Also, I love open suzer a lot. It's my favorite distro of all time, but they have some pretty interesting package problems every once in a while to come through. Everything has its share of problems. It's a rolling release. So it's basically has arch Linux's problems sometimes. Yeah. I have open suzer tumbleweed distro docker image. And every day when I update it, it's got like 700. Oh, I know. It's 700 packages for update. You can have, it's like probably 300 a day, 400 a day. It's nuts. Yeah. It's crazy. It's like, I thought, am I looking at gen two or next to us here? Well, it's tumbleweed. It would be okay if zipper had parallel downloads, but it doesn't. Oh, it doesn't. No, it doesn't. Slowly. They've been working on parallel downloads since 2016. Now there is somebody in the community that's working on a rewrite of zipper that's pretty close, apparently. And that looks like it's going to be really good, but it's not here yet. Yay to the community. All right. Yeah. Let's go. All right. So today, our original plan was to talk about nixos and stuff, but that's Josh's topic. And we insist that Josh actually be here for his topic. That's just kind of the rules. If you choose a topic, you got to be, you got to be here. You got to show up to actually talk about it. So what we're going to do instead is something that we've done before we have talked about our essential applications before, but we tried to do like once a year. Again, there is a lot of overlap because, you know, GIMP doesn't actually change all that much. But we do it once a year. We're going to, we're going to talk about our essential Linux applications. And we're going to kind of take turns doing this. And we'll see how long we go. We may or may not get to everything that's on your guys's list. I don't know. We'll go until we get tired of it or until I decided I'm sick of people trolling me in my chat, whichever happens first. Anyway, so Tyler, your first essential app. Mine, a controversial one, but I don't want to be without it anymore. Hyperland. It's the window manager I enjoy using. Yeah. I think it's probably the best window manager, only because if you want a feature, you don't have to break, break your back or do anything special to implement the feature. It, I mean, it can almost guaranteed already be in like hyperlands base feature set. And on the off chance, it's not someone has probably already made a plugin for it that you can just easily put in and implement without having to work yourself. And then there's also the fact that most of the default, the default config, the way it's set up is probably how most people want to use a window manager. Like if you haven't already been using a window manager and you've gotten used to the master stack layout, the dwindle layout is probably the best. Steve. Jesus. Yes, I heard my name. Is it my turn? I'm going to guess you don't like hyperland. He's talking about you just like window managers, man. Hyperland is great. It's a shame at the window. Well, if you don't want someone else choosing everything that you're going to be running in your desktop setup, it's probably the best choice. Now that being said, not everyone's going to have a great time with hyperland, especially if you're an Nvidia user. So or if you like your monitors to go to sleep. Yeah, that's another thing. I will say one thing. I don't know why, but sleep functionality and everything is working without any work on my laptop. I don't know if I've done something weird because it's not because it's a single screen when you have multiple screens. Oh, okay. Okay. Well, I saw someone say it on the French server who's using hyperland. So I'm just repeating. Okay. Well, then that would be why. But to me, that whole issue, I would see it being annoying, but since it works on my laptop without any issues, it's fine. And on the desktop, I'm one of those people that if I get up and walk away from the computer and it's still on, I'm probably going to be back within 20 to 30 minutes anyway. So there's no real reason for the screens to cut off. And then at night, I just turned the computer off. Wait until you start having burning. Well, luckily for me, I don't have a OLED screen. So it's not really a problem. See, my computer's on around the clock and because it serves as a file server and it does all the backups and stuff for all the computers in my house overnight and it uploads stuff to the cloud overnight and stuff, right? So I leave my computer on overnight and I don't want the monitors to be on all night. I mean, I could, I could, I can shut them off, but I prefer them to go off on their own. And here's the here's the flaw with that ideology because I have three monitors and I used to when we had power. I used to leave my computers on 24 seven. The problem with this with this thought is that you never know when something will shake and the mouse will move and it will wake up the monitors and it will be flash in your room and wake you the hell up. It happened multiple times. We don't have earthquakes. Nothing earthquakes, just a little thing, you know, but you go to a car pass by that calls the shakiness, whatever, because it's flashed multiple times. I was like, ah, shut them off. Well, I mean, it works fine for me and opens Suze on Qtile. So it should work fine in in Hyperland, but just doesn't. Anyways, but otherwise, I'm at the point now, even though I just made a video like three weeks ago talking about how I was going to never leave X work behind. If Hyperland had the ability to have the monitors to shut off on my machine, I know it has the ability with Suze idle. Don't at me about it. I know. And on Katie. Actually, Katie's been working fine in the latest what was 5.27 dot whatever works fine. Don't don't even have to kill case screen to just work. No, because case screen is deprecated. Now Kaywin. I know now they fix it. It's hilarious. All right, Steve, your first app. My, my first app, it's first minute. It's essential. Life cannot be complete without it. And no, don't come at me saying V box is better or GNOME boxes. GNOME boxes, as far as I know, uses QMU in the back end. So it's the same thing just ripped down. So no, don't come at me with all that. There is VMware for those who have a license wherever they got it from. But KVM, QMU, verb manager, whatever you want to call it is essential. I got 12 virtual machines in there. I have all three versions of zero Linux in there. It keeps me I can monitor all three every update, see what breaks. And if something breaks, I know what how to fix, what to fix, blah, blah, blah. And now I have NixOS for some reason on there. Oh, yeah, because it's junk thing. But yeah, it's an essential tool for me. There's no life without it. I'm going to say this at the end. In the end, I'm going to say use whichever virtual machine virtual machine thing software you want. For me, it's verb manager, because it's quick. And I even end Oh, I forgot to mention this. I am Windows Virgin. I am Windows free. I don't have windows into a boot. No, I don't think he knows the Virgin means. Okay, wrong word. You get the idea. I am Windows. I am Windows Virgin. I'm just crying over here. Like, man, that's not what I don't think that word means. What do you think it means? I do I do like it because it because it was kind of like, you know, like the school hoe coming out and being like, I'm a virgin now. I stopped her out. I'm a 43 year old version. Oh, that that movie is awesome, by the way. Oh, that fucker, the 40 year old version. Yeah, it's a good one. Well, Kelly Clarkson. Beautiful. I mean, he does know what the word means. It just was not the right word used. Yeah, it came to my mind. I don't know why I say ADHD, whatever. It's someone in chat. So someone in chat said windows celibate. I like that. That's probably the best way to say it. Yeah. So I'm windows free now. And because I'm windows free, where did windows end up? Invert manager. So you're not actually. It seems like you're not even actually. I'm windows free on my main system as a main bootable system. I have. I haven't. But I don't I tried so much laughing. My glasses are foggy. Wait, Steve, you said you had moved windows over tovert manager now. Before that you had it just installed on a regular like drive in your computer. All my virtual machines are on a separate drive. Well, no, no, no. I mean, like when you were dual booting, so you just had it on a drive in your computer. Yeah, it was on my internal NVMe and zero Linux was on a SATA on this one, specifically the Kingston. It was on this, which I shove and I, sorry, I insert and I pull up. I don't know which expression to use. So I put in and I put out. And I remove. This is the best ever. The only reason I ask, sorry, Matt, the only reason I ask about your your setup beforehand with the dual boot is because I tried installing windows on a separate drive so I could play dead side on windows. Now I completely unplugged my SATA SSD that had my Linux installed right there. I know what happened. Yes, it removed it. It removed the bootloader. Yeah, windows does that. It has to have a you have to install the things in a certain order in order for things. Yes. One thing has to control the bootloader. Otherwise, it just goes away. And a lot of times what windows will do is if you have more than one drive in the system, it will install the bootloader on one drive and windows on another drive. Yeah. Well, but the thing that blew my mind about it is I had completely removed my Linux drive and when I plugged it back in and booted it up the next time, no, no bootloader. I was like, what the hell? You lost grub? Yeah, you lost grub. You were getting the grub rescue screen? No, like the drive. So this is the weirdest thing I've ever had happen. When I plugged it back in and booted it up, the drive was not detected at all by my BIOS or system like Windows system when it booted. I could not find the drive. The bootloader partition was completely gone. Completely nuked. And so I had to reboot the system into an Arch Linux ISO and then the drive was there and I could do everything with it. So you arched it. The chat is just winning it today, man. A complete win. Nate, I'm sorry. Thank you for the super chat, but I'm not reading your super chat. I really don't want to get my demonetized, but thank you for the super chat. So I'm Windows free on my main system. I moved it to a virtual machine and I was surprised. I followed a guide by someone online because there are certain things one has to do to Vert Manager to make Windows behave correctly. Or even functional. If you just stock Vert Manager, install Windows is literally the slowest piece of garbage you've ever seen in your life. Exactly. You could give it 60 gigabytes of memory and it would still be the slowest ever. Also, Vert Manager only allows you to set the virtual VRAM to a certain point. Pass that, it just won't even load. And you have to set everything to Vert IO. Everything should be Vert IO and you have to start your display. You have to switch it to be a Vert IO with a server and connect it to your GPU. So it can, when you install the guest additions, whatever they call for Vert additions, it will detect it correctly detected and everything will be okay. And it's really snappy for a virtual machine. Are you also piping in a graphics card for Windows to use? No, I'm not doing passwords. I'm not doing passwords. It's just, if you set it correctly in Vert Manager in the settings, it will virtualize your GPU, but not as a hardware acceleration, but the memory from your GPU, it can use it to its advantage. And it's more snappy that way. So thanks to this guide and finishing off anybody who's on Linux should use Vert Manager. Although they have a version for Windows, it's going to be, I'm going to say, good luck. Good luck. Actually, someone mentioned this in chat and just as a quick sidebar on your Vert Manager recommendation, someone mentioned Windows will be a cloud service soon, Space Wolf in chat. I have a feeling that they are going to do that. And I don't know if Windows becomes a cloud service, virtualizing it will pretty much, like I fully believe Windows will make them, yeah, like Windows will make that move so people don't like really just, yeah, like that way you're either running it or not. But there will be, there will be people who'll figure out ways how to get the images offline. Even if it's a cloud service, there's still going to be something on the machine locally. There has to be. Oh yeah, definitely. Definitely. But it's going to be very costing. I heard rumors of the prices. Oh my God. Well, $200 is what it currently is for a pro license, which can. Imagine paying that on a monthly. Well, not even just that. Like, let's say they drop the price, that doesn't matter. A lot of the arguments against Windows, the best ones that I've heard, especially even if you're just going to be using it in a business sense, you pay for a license where they literally, for what most companies would be using offsetting costs, they also market, they install applications for you and they collect all of your data and sell it. Like, I don't understand how you can sell a product for $200 and do all of that and your customer base just keeps paying you. That's, that's nuts. They want convenience. People will pay for convenience. And as you said, offloading, having the hardware locally, this is offloading costs, hardware costs. I'm going to, I'm going to say one thing. It's big. And then we got, we have to move on to the actual topic. But the reason why people keep paying it and keep using Windows is because most people don't consider there to be any other choices other than like macOS. And that's not a choice for most people. But we got literally, this is not the topic. Yeah, you use Windows as your app of the Linux. Thank you, Steve. Uh, anyways, my first one, I don't think it's going to be much of a surprise. Anybody is distra box because it's fucking awesome. It's just so good, guys. There's not a day that goes by that I don't find something out about distra box that just blows my mind. So the other other day, I was looking for a way to install a terminal file manager that wasn't available on OpenSUSA. I wanted to try to make it through ARCH. Why don't you tell the story, Steve? Obviously, you know what the story is, go ahead and tell it. You told me not to interrupt you. When you tell me not to do something, I'll do it. I will mute you. It's just like to think of a peak, don't think of a peak elephant thing. His brain can't. Anyways, now I don't even remember what the hell I was talking about. Oh, anyway, so there was a terminal file manager I need to install. I didn't install through ARCH. Thank you, Steve. But because it's not, it doesn't have a desktop file. So the regular dash distra box dash export doesn't work, but instead what you can use, you can use that with a point and point directly to the binary of the thing that you downloaded and then export that. And that's freaking awesome as well. So now I have that file manager installed on my OpenSUSA install, and I can just use it just like I normally would in a terminal. So what distra amount this week, I'm on OpenSUSA. I'm always on OpenSUSA. Haven't changed in a while. I'm well over 100 days. But anyways, the distra box, it's awesome. Now, I get a lot of pushback from people who've never used distra box or don't see a real purpose in it. To me, the reason why distra box is awesome, and I'll just explain this quick, I've made videos about this, is that you can use whatever distra you want. It doesn't matter if it's immutable or just a regular Joe Small Linux distro, you can choose whatever you want. It doesn't matter. Let's just say you're a real big fan of Solus. Solus's biggest problem has always been it has really small repositories, like really, really small, you know, and their implementation of their third party repository is notoriously slow because they built everything from source. You can solve that use your Solus distro, install distra box, you can install applications from any application, any distro on Solus using that. And it just works. It's so good. And it's not just limited to apps. You can do desktop environments and window managers too, usually as long as they don't have some weird debuts or system D requirements. Then you got to start tweaking stuff. You made me think of this. I don't, I've never thought about this, but what about using distro box with Gintu? Because wouldn't you, and sorry for cutting you off if you were still talking, but wouldn't you be able to like do, like get around a lot of the compiling at BS that you would have to using distro box? Once you have in distro box installed, you can run distro box on Gintu and then install applications from anywhere else. Or you can do what I do is I run open SUSE. I have a Gintu distro box and can then run, I can compile anything that I want from Gintu by using open SUSE. A distro box may actually be probably Gintu's best friend for those who don't, who haven't gotten into it. Cause I mean, like if you want to get into Gintu and you'd like to use the system, but you're scared of having to compile your browser, all that BS and you've got a low power system. I mean, all you'd have to do is compile a distro box. Yeah. I am going to say something negative about it though, in that regard, specifically when it comes to Gintu. One of the things that you use Gintu for is because of use flags, right? Compiling that stuff with use flags gives you that power and that's what Gintu's for is because it gives you that power and complete control over how things compile. If you were to go the distro box route, which you can, there's nothing wrong with it. It's just you remove that advantage that Gintu gives you, right? Now, as a beginner, like if you wanted to just, if you need something really fast or you don't want to have to compile it, like a browser all the time, browser would be fantastic. That's what I do with Avali. It's just cause Arch always gets Avali first. So I've installed Avali from the Arch, the AUR exported it to my open SUSE and that's how I use it. Why did you have to install it through the AUR? It has a Arch repository version. The AUR one is a little bit ahead. Well, yeah, I agree. Do you compile the wild widevine for it as well? Everything, yeah. Everything's right from AUR. Yeah, I maintain the widevine from the AUR for it. I just grabbed the one from Arch and the FFM bag from Arch, but the widevine I get from the AUR. But I'm going to say this about distro box. When you are on Arch, where you have access to everything, there's no point. Yeah, that's about the only distro. That's the real point for distro box. Yeah, I totally agree. That's about the only distro that makes very little sense for my usage, right? I have it installed on my laptop downstairs in the shop. I just updated from time to time to see and it allows me, no, it's useful on Arch because it allows me to learn the different package managers on different distros. See, the way I use distro box and the way you probably use it, Steve, I mean, you probably use it more in a developer way than I do. But on Arch, the purpose for using distro box wouldn't be our usage of installing applications because you can just do that from the AUR. Instead, it would be for testing other environments and developing for those environments and building in those environments. So there's an entirely different use case for distro box. And that's not just in Arch, but for everybody. But if you're a developer, you're going to use it in a more broad sense than my little use case of just, wow, look at all these apps I have access to. It's so good. No, it just allows me as a distro maintainer to learn the various package managers and how they talk to each other, how do they talk to the system. But the only disadvantage to distro box really is it uses your systems kernel, your systems everything. So they don't use their own kernel to learn more about each. So then you have to install each and every system as a virtual machine. Yeah, well, I mean, yeah, that would make I think distro box main selling point is not that you can test the the actual system in its entirety, like the core system. It's more of, it's more of the environment. We're not talking desktop environment here. We're just talking the core system. Yeah, yeah. But yeah, but it's still fun for me to learn the package managers because I had no idea that some distros had an update command this long. You're talking about density. So I didn't know that there were there were update commands that you had to memorize and for old people and that ain't that ain't a thing alias that shit people use aliases. Yeah. All right. So go ahead. What were you gonna say? Oh, I was gonna say, are we moving on to my next thing? So I got it. Your next one. All right. The next one that I couldn't live without is is Caden live. I do want to go ahead and say the venture resolve is hands down the better video editor. I don't think it's a debate. If you want to argue with that one, you're probably delusional. It is clearly a better video editor in almost every sense of the word. However, it is proprietary and also the getting DaVinci resolve to work first time you open it can be a nightmare. Although sometimes it will just work, but it's very touch and go. Did you end up trying? I'm sorry. Did you end up trying DaVinci box? I actually can't remember. I know I was going to. I don't know if I did, but I'm not using it. So if I did try it, I didn't have success with it. I can't remember if I did. Probably not. It's just because I can't remember if I did. But I know I checked it out. It looks like a really good project. By the way, if anyone doesn't know what DaVinci box is, it's a really cool little distro box package or packaging of DaVinci resolve. So you can easily run it, you know, anywhere in Linux. But anyway, with Caden live, Caden live is probably the best and most reliable video editor on Linux and Windows. It does not have extremely nice performance. It's like the performance is not terrible, but it is nowhere near as good as you're going to get on something like DaVinci resolve or Premiere. That being said, if render times are not the be all end all for you, it has got plenty of effects of effects for most people. The very few people are not are going to need transitions or effects that they'll have to do custom themselves outside of Caden live. It's got most of what you want there. It works. I very rarely have issues with it. I have had crashes with Caden live, but they're very rare in the few times I do have crashes. I open it back up and it recovers the project and maybe I lose like a minute or two of work, maybe. So not really a problem there. But yeah, Caden live I think is probably what most Linux users are going to use for a video editor anyway. And it's probably one of the nicest ones you're going to find. But yes, I do know that a lot a lot of people because someone mentioned in chat Caden live crashes on Ubuntu, but does not on Arch. That's one thing that Caden live is known for and all video editors. I'm not gonna lie. This is not something that's unique to Caden live. This is true with all video editors. If you slightly change up your system or are using something that maybe the developers are not intending you to be using it on in the first place, it the likelihood that it's going to work well is not good. That's why DaVinci Resolve is so bad on Linux. Yes, they do making Linux version, but their focus is almost entirely not on that at all. So it buggy. Their official distros are like rocky and sent to us and like nobody uses those as desktop. Exactly. Next, this is weird. All right, Steve, your first your next one, please. My next one, my next one is simply console tournament on ADE. I spent so much time in console. It has become if something goes wrong with it, I feel missing something like missing an arm or something because I use, you know, as well in the office downstairs. I prefer console, but the terminal console, the terminal, I spent so much time because I'm a distro maintainer. I spent so much time building compiling packages because if in case you didn't know, I currently maintain around 500 packages from the AUR that I have on my repositories, I have to stay up to date and most of them are Git packages and Git packages are not easy to maintain because whoever on the AUR put them there, they put the Git PKG build and they forget about it for years and years and years because it's self-updatable. You just run the make PKG every now and again and you always get to the latest commit. This is the nature of Git packages. So I have to maintain those. So I'm constantly in the terminal and as I said at the beginning of the episode, I sat hours and hours and days on working on that script that NVIDIA Wayland script, it's all bash and it's all terminal based. So I cannot live without the terminal anymore. I even update my packages, install packages, do everything via the terminal. I don't do anything via GUI package manager and that's why Xero Linux no longer ships the GUI package manager. We leave the choice up to the user but we're slowly becoming like endeavor kind of. The whole thing is terminal. Terminal is such a magical tool. Once you start learning more and more commands, I even watch YouTube. I watch YouTube in terminals, but I do things in terminal, a lot of things in terminal. 99% of my day is spent in terminal and I love it. I never thought I'd say this ever, me coming from a lazy background, but hey, things change. I don't really care for console but it's not as if it's bad, it's just I prefer kitty. So my next one is going to be a Vorda. I use Vorda all the time. So Vorda is a Borg backup front end. It works with Borg base. I've used it as a thingy the week of the past. I don't need to talk too much about it. Basically, if you use, if you're interesting backing up your stuff online, Borg and Borg base is probably the best way to do it. Borg base is not necessarily cheap for quite a lot of space. I mean, it's not like hundreds of terabytes or anything, but if you need to store like a terabyte of stuff online, Borg and Borg base is the best way to do it. Vorda is the front end that is usually recommended for Borg and it just works really well. Now you have to have some knowledge of SSH in order for this to work because you have to create a key and all that stuff. So it does take a little bit of know how to order to use, but once you have it set up, it just starts up every time you turn your computer on, runs in the background, you can set a schedule. So I have mine set up so every morning at 3am, it does a delta backup of my computer of the files that I have set up and it uploads them to Borg base. And I have a compressed backup of all of my stuff that would kill me to lose pictures and tax documents. And some of the assets for the channel are all up there now. If I wasn't worried about bandwidth and data cap and stuff like that, I'd actually back up all of my video files up there as well. But that costs a lot more money and not something I'm really interested in. But it is possible if you need to back up a lot of data to have a lot of options. Now, I know some people prefer rsync.net in order to do this, but that doesn't use Borg that uses our sync obviously. Now they do have a Borg a Borg equivalent or something that you can use with that. But I found that rsync is actually quite a bit more expensive, but they do offer higher plans. If you need to store a ton of data, I'm like talking like terabytes, rsync probably is a better option than Borg base. But for me, Vorda is is freaking awesome. And it's just something that I have on all my computers now. All right, Tyler, your next one. My next one is something that obviously I couldn't live without. And I don't think most of us would be able to live out live without if you're creating content or doing anything like that. OBS Studio. It's probably the only broadcasting software you should use unless you're a literal Chad and you want to use FFMPEG because you're too good for graphical programs at all. You can do that. But as someone who has streamed and recorded videos and stuff with FFMPEG before, have fun. Oh man, those days of you using BSD were just fantastic for lip syncing. It was great. Yeah. Yeah. So enjoy using just FFMPEG. It's not easy, but OBS makes the whole process of streaming and setting up stuff and saving your different scenes and configurations very easy. I don't think I could get by without OBS. And quite frankly, I think it is kind of insane that we do have OBS on Linux. It's one of those gifts that you don't really notice until it would be gone. Like if OBS was to disappear, you'd really notice it being gone. But yeah, I mean, I think that's one of the biggest applications that as Linux users and especially and especially even if you don't make content, if you enjoy watching Linux content, we take it for granted a lot. Like how good it is and how much, I mean, if OBS didn't exist, a lot of the Linux content that has gotten people interested in it or taught them about Linux probably wouldn't exist. Again, as people who have used FFMPEG for recordings and streamings will know, it makes the level or the bar of entry to doing that type of stuff much higher. So yeah, it's very nice. And also, I mean, this is totally separate, but I don't think anyone really wants to use the simple screen recorder type programs. For some, they work just fine, but also like, yeah, they're not the best. I'll say one thing about, I'll say one thing about the simple screen recorder. Some person DM'd me for whatever reason. He was like, I cannot, I cannot use Linux without simple screen recorder. It's no longer on the arch repository. Can you put it on yours? I was like, if it's not meant to be there, that means it's deprecated. And I went and checked on the website. No, they're still maintaining it just arch decided to remove it because it's something not to be used because it's too simple. And it's not very compatible. It's not compatible with Wayland. Some people made it work on Wayland somehow, but in a hacky way, but it doesn't work with Pipewire very well, because it's a pulse audio writing. So I was like, I'll put it there, but you figure out how to use it if you encounter any issues. And apparently the guy removed Pipewire from zero Linux and replaced it with pulse audio. I don't know how he did that. But anyway, he wanted it. So it's on my repositories, but it didn't receive an update in nine months. So I'm cool having it. It's never gonna receive an update. So it's a package there. Yeah, I used a simple screen recorder. It's not a fun time. Yeah, for whatever reason, sometimes it records your voice in a chimpunk voice. Sometimes it records at a thousand times speed. The thing with simple screen recorder is that it's really good at doing what it says on the box. It will record your screen very, very well. It's when you try to make it record your voice or try to add in a camera or something like that. Yeah, try and make it do things that it's not wasn't meant or built to do really, then it starts getting wonky. If it just if you just need to record your screen for many years, it was the best option. But now Goonome has their own recorder. I'm sure Katie does. Katie is working on one. Yeah, they're working. It's spectacle. Basically, spectacle will have a screen. Okay, that's because that's exactly what spectacle needs is to be more complicated. Thank you. I'm sorry. I'm going to piss off the Katie guys every single time I swear to God. All right. Let's see here. Who was that was yours, Tyler? Yeah. Yes. So Steve, you're next. Go ahead. My next one is something that of course you will agree with me, Matt. Kate. Yeah, Kate's good. It's awesome. I don't think you need to say anything more. It's just excellent text editor. Just add just include the plugins. And you're good to go. If you if you maintain the gg bills, then you write your own bash script. Kate is magic. Kate has everything that one requires. You don't need to use VS podium or VS code or any of that. Kate does it all. Tyler's trolling you in the chat already. Also, I'm sure it would have been funnier if you said Emacs. It would have been funnier. Oh, God, you missed it. You missed it. You missed your chain. Yeah, Kate's awesome. My only my only problem with Kate is that you really if you're using KDE, it's fantastic. Like it just fits right in. If you're using anything else and you don't have the ability to theme it, it looks bad. I use the alternative for GTK based desktop environment. I use genie. Oh, yeah, genie. So I use that on GTK on XFCE, basically, and you know, the other two versions of zero Linux, but it's not as good as Kate. Nothing comes close. But because you're right, Matt, Kate doesn't fit on anything else. But Katie, yeah, it just doesn't look good. Now, if you're like using a minute, you're right there, Tyler. Yeah, sorry, just had something in my throat. If you are like a window manager or something, you can use QT5CT and Covantem to theme it. It works fine, but you got to do a little bit of work to get it to work. So anyways, that's Kate. So my next one, and I actually chose to do this one third because I thought Steve would actually use it. But I'm going to try I'm going to go proprietary on this one. Guys, I'm going to get a lot of, you know, flack in the chat, but I'm going to go with Vivaldi. Vivaldi is my browser of choice has been now for several months and it still remains really, really good. I would say this, if you are someone who only has one or two tabs open, you can use whatever browser you want. It doesn't matter. You're not a browser user. If you're someone who like who's like me who hordes tabs, right now I have 200 tabs open and they're all neatly organized into workspaces and tab stacks. So for example, I have an ideas workspace in there. I have a apps tab stack, a distros tab stack. These are all my video ideas, right? I just leave them there in tabs. It just works for my workflow. I know it doesn't make sense to a lot of people uses a lot of resources. I understand that it's not the best way of doing things. I don't care. It's just the way that works for me. One tab per browser. So wait, I know this is your thingy of the week, but am I allowed to change my thingy of the week into just a PSA about your thingy of the week? I mean, you can talk about it, but it's not a thing. We're not to the thingies. We're still talking about the apps. I know, but this is one of the apps that you're saying is your essential app. What are you going to say about it, Tyler? Are you going to badmouth it? Yes, of course. Go ahead. I'll listen to you. Go ahead. Valdi is not a browser. Valdi is an office suite intended to be ran inside of a browser front-end. I've made the same argument. You got two guys against you, Tyler. But you don't have to enable the features you don't want. So like the email and the RSS feeds and all that stuff, it asks you right upon the first launch if you want those things enabled. If you don't, they're not there. Okay. So just so we're clear about this, you are given the option to go through and disable the file browser, email client, the window manager, the task bar, the update notification manager, the nuke that it gives you, not intended for real use. It doesn't have 90% of the things you just said. Okay. As an email client, it has an RSS feed reader, but you want to know what also has those things? Firefox has those things as well. You just have to have the extensions enabled in order to use them. Get off your high horse there, Tyler. Look, it's not a high horse. It's just, there is no, like here's the thing that kills me. I respect that you and a lot of other people love Valdi and that it functions as a good browser for you. I totally respect that. The only thing though is, is there is no other browser that upsets me the way Vovalli does. Like the way that you get upset about nuggies is the way Vovalli gets upset. Oh, in that case, I'm going to be talking about it a lot because you want, this is paybacks a bitch. Darth Vader in the comments says, why are you always complaining about Emacs being bloated? I don't complain about Emacs being bloated. I just complain that I don't want to use Emacs. But the difference, so here's the thing. Vovalli is the Emacs of browsers and I like that. But I think if I would, I would like Emacs if it did the things that I wanted it to do without the extra stuff that I didn't want it to do or had easy ways of like turning things off, you know, and I didn't have to manage it via config file or whatever. Honestly guys, the reason why I like Vovalli isn't because it has an email client or because it has an RSS feed reader or it has, you know, a UI that's customizable within the GUI. Those things are all whatever I could do without them because I could, I can customize Firefox with user Chrome. I can, I can add whatever features to Firefox basically that I want except for two. That's workspaces and tab stacks. Now, Firefox has a plugin simple tabs groups that mimics the workspaces functionality, but you can't get tab stacks to go along with it. Once you've used tab stacks along with workspaces and you're a tab hoarder, you'll never go back. Like seriously, it's so good, especially if you're, if you're organized, it's very good. Can I say one thing? Go ahead. How the tables have turned. My, I lost my voice telling people that Vovalli is great and those same people that yelled at me and telling me you shit head, you're using proprietary software. Don't you know that? You, we don't like people in the fast world using proprietary software and those same people are now using Vovalli. Well, I mean, look, you guys talking about Vovalli and all this stuff, I get it. It's a great browser, but as someone has already pointed out in chat, if you want a good browser, Microsoft Edge is the way to go. Matt used to be, you know, in the no, sorry, and pump, you know, Microsoft Edge. Now he's gone to the dark side. He's doing Vovalli. As we all know, if you want a good browser, you go with Microsoft Edge. Also, how are you going to live without the beautiful telemetry features it includes? I know that Vovalli is proprietary and probably has telemetry, but you want to know it? I don't care. Tab stacks too good. All right. Anyways, Tyler, your next one, please. My next one in all seriousness is actually my browser because I planned on doing that, but mine is Firefox and, and well, no, Firefox and Thorium or Brave. Those, those three I kind of rotate between, but I like having Firefox as like my main one. Wait, go ahead. Yeah. Oh, I thought you were raising your hand to ask a question. Oh, no, no. I'm just putting Fitchforks up. Fitchforks. So I want to come at you with Fitchforks. Looks more like a rake. I have a question for you, Tyler. Why have you tried Mercury? I had someone message me about it, but I have not checked it out yet. It's literally just the Thorium version of Firefox. It's by the same dev. Yeah, the main reason I haven't tried it yet is just because to be honest, I'm already trying to get used to deciding between whether or not I want to, I want to use Thorium or Brave more. I'm not super big on Brave. Just like not, they do a lot of things as a company and as a product that I do like. The only problem with that being I don't, I don't really like a lot of their, their marketing tactics or the like whole scheme with crypto and like trying to monetize the web in a different way, but still using the same ads that you would like. It just, it doesn't, a lot of their stuff I don't completely get and agree with, but, you know, all of the privacy stuff obviously is really nice. But to be honest, when it comes to Firefox, I enjoy using Firefox as my default primary browser for one, because that helps out with Firefox like market share numbers, not completely dropping to nothing. And I do want to support Mozilla because I kind of, even though I, me and Matt have talked about at length doing this podcast, our problems with Mozilla, I'm sure Steve has shared some of his as well, but Mozilla, I do believe can turn it around and change at like, I know people think people can't change and companies or organizations or groups of people, I think they can. And so hopefully Mozilla can get their shit together and actually just focus on making a good browser. So I do still want to support them and what they do, but also one thing about Firefox that makes it really difficult to stick with and use all the time is if you want to, I don't know, make a website and do your own CSS, things can render completely differently inside of Firefox than they would Chrome or, you know, Chrome based browser against the microphone. Sorry. Oh, oh, I just now saw the super chat. Yes, I totally understand. I will edit that part out as much as I do like his idea. I think I think me and Nate might start working on that. You watch me do that on video. That's the funniest thing I've ever done. Nugget him. Nugget him. Yes, I love it. I love it. Oh, God. I hate you people with all my heart. If someone wants to work with me on bringing this to a reality, please for the love of God, literally just fork Firefox and change the name. Why did I give him the idea? Why did I give him the idea? Why did it? Well, I mean, it'd have to be Chrome if we're going to name it Nugget him. We could do multiple versions. Why not? Why not? Have a Firefox version? Chromium version? For Chromium. It's the same thing. Whatever. It's going to be the most garbage browser ever. It's got to have an email client. They'll grow. Got to have an email client. I am. I am not. I'm not going to do them of all these shit. No. Just think each email could be called a called a Nuggy. And you get a little sound, a little sound that goes off every time it says you've got Nuggies. Matt, what are you doing? You're shaping your enemy. I feel like it's up. Give them ideas, man. Stop that. Oh, that's so good. All right. Steve, your next one, please. My next one is very, very, very simple. It's an app made by the Mint guys. It's called, what did I say? It was called, I forgot. Also, Hyperonics something. He doesn't know. I do know. I built the thing just one second. Hypnotics. It's hypnotics. It has a Wayland version and an X11 version. They maintain two separate packages, but basically you can stream hundreds and thousands, maybe thousands. I don't know. I didn't count them. Live American TV stations. I like to watch MCN classical movies. MCM. It's called classical movies. We don't get those over here. We have to pay a lot of money for those. But I can stream them. And there's the ability to record them now. But yeah, it's an awesome app. It keeps me mellow while I'm working on Xero Linux. Yeah, it's an awesome app. It's very simple. It's called Hypnotics. It's got a Wayland version and an X11 version. So enjoy. All right. So I think instead of going around one more time, what we'll do instead is go ahead and jump into the thingies of the weeks. We'll get more apps in any case, but we'll go ahead and keep the last section and you do just whatever. All right. So every week we do our final section, which is called thingies of the week. Now, obviously you've gotten a lot of app picks from us today, but we're going to do some more. We could have called these things anyway. Anything, but our mind is always in the gutter. So we call them thingies of the week. Definitely not for the reason why you think they're called that. So we're going to go ahead and jump in. Tyler, your thingie of the week. Mine is B-top. If you're used to using H-top and you're like, I wish H-top looked better than B-top. Or had more options. Or had more options or actually killed out. No, no. And actually killed applications when I wanted to kill applications. For some reason it doesn't work anymore very reliably. Well, B-top is probably, it is one of the better looking H-top alternatives. There are a few others that look very similar to it. And a lot of people use things like B-top, whatever. I've switched over to using B-top because it is remarkably fast. Yeah. Like it's just, it's really fast. And I wouldn't say that there's a night and day difference between it and something like B-top. But there is a- It's by the same developers. So this one is in C++ instead of the Java one or whatever. Well, I think the Bash one is written in Bash. Yeah. So you got your choice in C or Bash. And to be honest, I think the C version is probably, just by nature of it being C, a little bit faster. But the Bash one is, it's not like it's noticeably slow or anything. But I really like using B-top. And Bash-top is no longer being maintained. I'm not sure. I don't want to say. I haven't seen any commits for a while. He just didn't archive the thing, but he didn't push any commits for a long time. But there's also, like, I mean, someone's already mentioned Y-top. There is a lot of other H-top alternatives out there. But B-top is really, Big Pod did say, isn't it fairly CPU intensive? And kind of not. Not really. It's not really CPU intensive. How about this? I'll put it like this. It uses three points. I measured it. It uses 3.8 to 4.3% of this CPU. But that will also change on your CPU as well. So it depends. But it is just as CPU intensive as any other good looking H-top alternative is going to be. And also, let's be clear, H-top also is, like, it is a little bit CPU intensive just by nature of showing you your resource usage. Like, that takes resources to do. But it's not any more, at least from what I can tell, it's not any more CPU intensive than something like Bash-top or any of the other ones that I've tested are. I haven't really found one that's noticeably slower or more intensive than the others. They're all right about the same thing. They're right in the margin of error. And if people are looking for a GUI-based one, not a terminal-based one, there's one called Resources. It's on Flat Hub. And it allows you to search for services that you want to kill and kill. So the whole purpose... Is it QT or QT or QTK? It's QTK. Real Chad's use top. I'm sorry. I'm just... Real Chad's use top. All right. Steve, your thingy of the week, please, quickly. My thingy of the week is quite simple. It's called WayDroid. I mentioned it earlier. It allows you to run Android full-fledged lineage OS. And if you want to root it, you can root it with Magisk and do whatever you want. But what's the point? I use it a lot in the office downstairs in the shop. Because if I want to watch YouTube, I want to watch it ad-free. So possible. That's not the only point I use it for. There's a lot of Android-only applications that support tablet mode. So I use them on my tiny little 13-inch monitor on my laptop. So it's as if it's a tablet. It's Wayland-only, unfortunately. There is no alternative for X. So if you're using X11 or Xorg, there is no good Android emulator out there. Not that I could find. I searched and I searched high and low. The only ones I could find were Android shells. Basically, they were not the full Android experience. And what I love about WayDroid is any Android app you install, you can access from your Linux app menu. They have an entry in the app menu. If you installed, for example, Firefox on WayDroid, you can access it from your Linux without having to launch the whole GUI of WayDroid. But the only downside of it is, it's stuck on Android 11. I haven't seen any newer versions. And today, I ran an upgrade. There's a command called pseudo-WayDroidUpgrade. It upgraded an 800 megabyte image, but it was still lineage OS 18.1 based on Android 11. It wasn't based on a newer version of Android. But that's coming. I saw it on the GitHub. But it's a good alternative if you want to play your favorite Android games on your little laptop or something. It's a wonderful little emulator, and it works great. I even wrote a guide on how to install it the easy way. And there's a tweak for it on the AUR called WayDroid Settings. It allows you to up the DPI change the font sizes, and you can patch the application to open in windowed mode. So you can have multiple applications open at the same time and use it like a multitasking. It's really, really, really good. So WayDroid, so good if you want to enjoy, if you want to try, if you want to use Android stuff on your Linux machine. Cool. All right. So mine is going to be learn.dvorak.nl. So if you are crazy, like me, and have decided to switch away from QWERTY or ZERTY or whatever you use now and switch to Dvorak, there are obviously many different typing tests out there that you can use. You can use monkey type to do it, or there's a couple other ones that are really good and open source. The one that somebody pointed me towards was specifically for Dvorak. So it's learn.dvorak.nl basically allows you to choose which level of the keyboard you want to, you train yourself on. So if you want to stick on the home row, you can do that. You can choose the whole keyboard if you want to start there. It's just a typing test. It looks exactly like you'd expect a typing test to work, but it's specifically meant for people who are using Dvorak. And it's pretty good. It works really well on the browser, just allows you to learn where your keys are, because the keys are all over the place. And just on the topic of me switching to Dvorak, I'm 24 hours in right now, and I'm up to 18 words per minute, which is, I normally type 120. So it feels fucking slow AF. It's really, really slow, and it feels painful. But I started off at 10 words per minute. So I'm already almost doubled, just in a day. Now I don't expect to keep doubling. For the ignorant people, like me, what the heck is Dvorak? It's a keyboard layout that is meant to put all of the keys that you use the most in English on the home row. So A-O-E-U-I-D-H-T-N-S, that's the whole entire home row. And those are the most used letters in the English language. And then they put the, to be honest with you, if you're going to change to a different keyboard layout, a lot of people are going to recommend Colmack. And I would too, if only because in Colmack, your Z, V, and X keys don't move. So when you do copy and paste, all that stuff is in the exact same spot it is with Quirkwerty. With Dvorak, they move, and not only do they move, they move to the entire other side of the freaking keyboard. And it's, it's really freaking annoying me. I may end up going to Colmack instead, but I wasn't as fast with Colmack as I am with Dvorak. I've tried Dvorak a couple times. I know I can speed up on this quite fast, but the keyboard shortcuts for copy and paste are going to be the absolute hardest thing for me to do because they're on completely different, and they're not close to each other. They're spread out. So I'm having, I'm having a hard time typing in French from English and you want to go Dvorak. Yeah. Oh, my brain hurts already listening to you. 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