 Hey everyone, welcome to the Nintendo Prime podcast season 2 episode 27 we got a four pack for you guys today Eric is out sick and so is Darren Darren might be out sick by choice a little too much booze and and Eric is just legitimately sick So it is what it is. This is the crew we got today and that's all right We have some amazing topics to talk to you guys about and we have a first-timer on the show Let's just get to him right away flam How's it going man? Tell the people who you are. What do you got going on? Yeah, of course. Hi. My name is for blam I'm a Nintendo variety streamer. I like to do game shows and with a lot of people in like the Pokemon community And I have a podcast myself called the boost few podcasts that we also talk about Nintendo stuff I'm just as it says right there professional Nintendo sim. So that's that's my deal man. I love Nintendo games I'm excited to talk about them today Nice nice. We have returning back for the second time Nish quick pops over there and before he he says anything. I noticed something when I was linking his channel today He's like this close to a thousand subscribers. Yo Like if everyone here right now goes and subscribe he's gonna hit his first 1k, so let's do it Yeah, just drop the link of the chat. Let's get into his first one close. We're very close Yeah, getting there Yeah, but hello. Hey guys Nish quick here. I am back on the Nintendo Prime podcast. Thank you so much for having me Nate And yeah, I'm excited to talk about Nintendo and the topics look really fun today. And yes, we're very close to 1k I can't believe it's happened so fast, but here we are Yeah, let's go and then we got someone who's well past 1k over there. Mr. Andres restart I'm his way to 30k Let's go. Yeah Yeah, I'm good. I'm subscribed to Nish quick pops get into a thousand that I think that's the most important message It's a big goal. I mean you should go subscribe to I will say But I mean technically over a K on his twitch channel over there, so he's yeah I will say what's funny is I am very close to 1k and I would love to hit it fast But I have videos that I recorded audio for where I'm like, we're so close to 1k and I have to take When those videos come out, we'll see let's see. I'm sorry. I'm sorry to say surprise you might hit it tonight Yeah, we're gonna Mario upload at your first million view video About the switch to You never know we never never know you have one of those things where it's it's like guys We're almost at it. It's like you have it obviously you recorded it later two million views and now we're gonna do this Yeah, you can always do some fun editing like, you know, you can be like, oh, I was gonna do this but You guys are amazing. So yeah, that's a scratch it. Yeah, you can it. Yeah nice So we're start the show like we start every single show with what have we been playing lately? I'll just go first. I never go first for some reason. I always go last Let's go first for the time pretty much It's been weird So I played a bit of the Pikmin 4 demo didn't beat it. Why didn't why didn't I beat like a two three hour demo? I don't know. I just didn't there's the game so close to coming out I was already sold just playing it for an hour. I'm like, I'm good Like I don't really want to keep going because I don't think the progress saves So I'm gonna have to redo this anyways Does it If it saves I will finish off the demo if it doesn't then I don't want to redo it I don't see the point and demos not carrying the progress over unless it's like a part of the middle of the game Yeah, yeah, a lot of them don't so if it does carry forward, I guess let's look it up I will just finish off the demo. I remember Metroid Dresden. I think Nintendo hasn't been consistent with that's why I just assume it never does so then I don't waste my time if I'm already having fun I'm like, nope. I'll wait for the full game. Yeah We're back in the demo just days where you'd be lucky to get a demo out and they nothing would come over from your demo So I play I played a bit of that and then I've been playing tears of the kingdom still because I haven't beat the story. I Here's the thing. I joined this dumb this dumb little crew of people called the review crew Oh, that's exciting new games of like Paul Gale network Rogers base and OJ player essence and like I don't even know what form this thing's really taken in the end We haven't really gotten anything scheduled yet But it sounds like tears of the kingdom might be like the first thing to review and I'm like, can I really review the game if I haven't even beat the story? So I'm like, I could rush through and and do that. I'm like, I didn't want to rush through I was planning to beat the story next year Well, all right, then I guess I might just start powering through. I can't really complain How are you avoiding spoilers? All right, are you just Hard, yeah People think it's so hard to avoid spoilers Well, I had a pretty good time avoiding spoilers for tears of the kingdom, honestly Yeah, I have no blocked words Yeah, same Like I've just I don't know like literally I'm on the tears of the kingdom reddit all it is is people's bills Interesting Well, it seems like it's just done a good job builds are everywhere No one's port porting the ending like anywhere in front of my face The images that have spoilers that I post I spoiler tag on twitter. So that's I mean, but like some text tweets Like I saw the image of ganondorf and I was like, oh my gosh ganondorf's in the game I already know like that's crazy. Well, I mean they show multiple forms of ganndorf in the memories So yeah, yeah, it's not really I mean, it's a spoiler for midgame. I guess which is I'm passing me the first hour to the first 80 hours depending how you play it, but There's only I mean, there's depth. Okay. I don't want to I'm not gonna spoil it, but there's there is Something there there's multiple significant things that happen as you progress towards the end But there's one very significant thing that happens that I think People do have done a great job of not just blatantly showing it and I got to tell you This significant thing My is what is what potentially puts it over the top for me for maybe like the best zelda ending ever It's absolutely the conversation It's absolutely in the conversation because of this significant thing. Yeah, and what's crazy is it? Um, I I believe what I'm saying to is obvious for those who know But maybe you guys just thinking of something else is significant because there are multiple significant things But there's a really big thing about something in the middle, but you were actually talking. Yeah There's something in the middle that I know is really significant, but I don't know the end yet Oh, but there's there's there's a lot of I mean, there's a lot of big I think uh, the nice thing is if it is the the game that we're doing first for review crew I will well not only will I have beaten the story? Will we do a spoiler cast sooner than I planned? Oh, yeah, which is totally fine people I've had a lot of requests to do a spoiler cast Even IGN just recently did what I think it's hitting that point where people are okay with having a spoiler cast I just thought it'll be tagged for anyone who hasn't beat the game. It doesn't want to be there. Obviously, but uh, yeah Yeah, it'll be So, you know what look forward to that maybe by the end of july if if we get this episode done in july because now I'm thinking like oh man I'm pretty sure everyone else in the crew has already beat the game except me So I better and I'm the Zelda guy It's like yeah, because it only comes out like once every six years. I'm taking my time I don't do reviews. Well, now I do reviews This is definitely one of those games It's like you want to take your time with right because it's it feels like it's so significant We've waited so long for it So it's like maybe I'll get lucky and we just and we like Roger's base walks in and he's like, dude I want to do Pikmin 4 first and I'm like, yes Yes, thank you So are you guys only doing new games? Are you guys doing some old switch games as well? So the idea is to do The because it's only One review a month or one every other month depending on how often we do it Um So it's going to be like the biggest of the big games of whatever and it can be at any platform It's like for me like oh, it's cool if it's Pikmin 4 2 is gonna be that sometimes Glad it's not Final Fantasy 16 I really have no interest in completing that game at all You got thoughts on it I know and if starfield is one, I'm like, oh Well, damn Hey, man, you got that xbox symbol behind you with on top of the console Yeah I have a PlayStation 1 sign too somewhere. I don't know where it is. I gotta find it What I don't have is a Nintendo sign. Well, that's not true I have a light up Nintendo prime sign, but it's on the other wall. So it doesn't count Yeah, yeah, I don't know So we'll we'll see some of some of when I play lately might be dictated by whatever's being reviewed, but gotta Make sure I'm getting in the other games I want to who knows maybe I get lucky and we're all big nintendo fans and starfield comes out We're like no, we're doing mario wonder. Oh, thank god It's like starfield's gonna eat like a thousand hours for me to feel comfortable reviewing that game Nate I just read your subtitle So It's funny. So my subtitle's got a mini story behind it. It's very short Basically, uh, all of last year I lost subs every single month until november then since then we've been exploding in subs And then the last month we are negative 320. So we are back to our losing subways And it's what I'm best at Keep it up. Uh, and it's looking like tomorrow. We're gonna drop below 132 000 subscribers So we we're we're well on our road to 150k. Let's do it Yeah, you're you're trying to get in the right direction. Don't worry I mean, I was around when mario comes out. I mean the news channels are really reliant on big releases. So sure. Yeah, it's cyclical Absolutely. Yeah. Yeah. I mean the fact matter is you were like a what like at 90 Six I was I was stuck at 70k for over two years Yeah So I mean then zelda happened. So, you know I Big big releases tend to drive subscribers. It is what it is Uh, and and when we say stuck on 132, it's going to be stuck on 131 in a moment. So I'm not really stuck So it's not really stuck. I'm not really stuck. I'm just going the wrong direction It's just no my subscribers away from 133 at one point. I thought we were gonna hit it and I'm like, yes That's 133 years of nintendo. Let's go. No, it's just been going back I don't want to derail your podcast But I I I actually didn't check the the topic notes until We went live I mean, well, I mean, okay, the thing is like I'm an intended to send some weight by the way So I didn't give you a lot of time But I mean the point is I'm gonna know the topics anyways because I also make it my job to cover these things Right. Sure. It's not really, you know, did you glance and go? I don't know this topic No, everything is fine. Okay, but what I found interesting because I was like throughout the entire day I was like getting kind of amped for this discussion because like, all right, let's go. Let's go. Let's do it Because I thought we were just gonna go in on switch two I thought the same I was listening to it's at the bottom bonus topic It's at the bottom. It's more of a So so look I thought switch two was going to be a big talk at myself as well Then I sat there and I looked at all the stuff that I've covered over the last week with switch two and I and in In a nutshell it's mostly a nothing burger So I don't really feel like rehashing the conversation we just did last week But it's there because I got a feeling that people are going to disagree that it's nothing burgers So I want to throw it in there because I know like people like andris is not gonna let me get away with not talking about switch two So that's why I threw it in. I'm like, you know, I gotta put the bonus top again there So let's not take three hours to get through each top Sure I just feel compelled to make this point now I'm not going to talk specifically about switch two and maybe this is maybe I'm giving you a bonus topic now and again I apologize for derailing the podcast, but that's what I do. That's why you're here. Yeah. Yeah. Um, I don't even need topics Just bring on this and I just I thought about bringing it up because we were talking about losing subs And what I found interesting, right? And I think this is kind of part of it kind of goes into this conversation Um, it just feels like with switch two whenever we talk about it. It's like this hazardous thing It seems to kind of bring out Uh, an increased level of toxicity. You don't really see with other topics and you know, I was surprised too because so I made a video about switch to this sunday Because there were things that happened the prior week that I felt made it worth discussing So I talked about it and it actually was received pretty well for my channel, right? um But then this week there were a number of things that came up that I thought okay Well, I should talk about this again And it wasn't out of a lack of having other topics I actually have a long list of things and I was like, oh, I should probably focus on this first because That's more news related and I'll put off my theory videos for a little bit later Right. So I don't whenever I talk about these things. I don't talk about them because I'm trying to like Create fake content. No, sometimes I talk about it Because oh, I should probably focus on the news first. I think people will want me to talk about the news first um and I that's why so that's why I did it and You know the videos do it my video from yesterday still doing relatively well, but I did notice More people were unsubscribing than usual. I gained more subscribers than I lost But people were unsubscribing and I was wondering why Because all I did was talk about the things that people were talking about. I wasn't propagating misinformation You know, I just said it as things were I know some will disagree and some people will over-agree, right? But it's just kind of interesting how You know talking about switch 2 Is something that kind of brings out this extra level of hatred or toxic conversation And for me it just hey look there's things going on and we're going to talk about them I think for some people it's just hearing switch to switch to over and over again And it's gotten old but at the same time there are things happening Which you can't deny. This is what I look at it is. Um All of my switch 2 videos have like a 98% like the dislike ratio. Yeah, I like it I don't worry. I lose subscribers no matter what I talk about So literally oh at 26,000 views all the video you think I gained some of that video. No, I did not It don't matter what I post It's just there's no hot trending topic at the moment switch to I guess you can argue with sort of that hot trending topic but It's not like you go out there and you look at other people switch to videos like they're not getting crazy views either it's just kind of uh People are wondering why that maybe that maybe there's maybe I'm just missing the boat and Pikmin 4 is what I should be Just talking about I've seen like I've seen a couple like like four like four youtubers I've seen make any Pikmin 4 videos and last week and all of them have like 100k views So I'm like, yeah, I'm just making the wrong but you might do and you'll get like a thousand just because you don't have the audience for it Yeah, I have the audience for mario. So I know. Yeah, that should go that should go well You don't you don't know until you try though. So that's the thing Get new audiences. You don't get it if you don't do it and sometimes you got to build it, right? Like just because you make one video doesn't mean I got I got 3,500 views on a video about xr glasses I think I can get views on Pikmin I'll say earlier this year my first metroid view video didn't do very well and I was like, oh dang I wanted to talk about metroid But my second metroid video which came out like a couple weeks back did surprisingly well for my channel So it's very random and sometimes I guess it's like the trending thing and like What your audience wants right now and like even though it switched to stuff like I made a switch to video It came out today and surprisingly it's doing well, but at the same time I'm getting Relatively positive comments on it right now. So I hope that stays. I hope I didn't jinx it Yeah, but that's also probably like it's been jinxed. Yeah And you're gonna have to wait two more months before you get to a thousand subscribers. You just lost a hundred They're all gone everybody is gone. No on the twitch side of things I I mean I can say that like everybody's playing the Pikmin 4 demo right now It's it's I mean a lot of the bigger one, you know, like Arlo and beat them ups and all that They're all playing it and I've I mean, I've seen a lot of people just in my sphere even like the pokemon sphere trying Pikmin and trying Uh, either the either the old ones are playing the demo I mean myself me myself I bought both the ports and that's what I've been up to is I've been playing Pikmin 1 and 2 I've been going back through those because it's been so long since I played them Uh, but they're great. Yeah, I I think Pikmin 4 if you had to pick a hot nintendo game right now Probably be it but yeah Yeah, I actually started Pikmin 2 today finally Yeah, it's a tough one. It's a Strap yourself in it's hard because a lot of people play they're like, oh I'm gonna play the whole series and I'm gonna go through and whatever and they they play Pikmin 1 They're like, wow, this is this was so pleasant and fun and then they get into Pikmin 2 and it's just pain It's like hard mode go long. Yeah, it's it's it is a whole step up in difficulty That's interesting. Yeah, is the general consensus of Pikmin 4 The demo is that it's good like it's a good game. Yeah, okay. Okay. Yeah, so far it's been People are enjoying it a lot. So okay I've heard some people say that they're not a fan of some things Whereas other people are like, oh, this is game of the year. This is like the best Pikmin game as of now So I don't know. It's it's interesting hearing as someone who hasn't played a single Pikmin game It's interesting. The only complaint I've heard is That there's no timer. So you don't feel rushed and I was like Yeah, because the timer existed because we weren't supposed to be out at night Now we're allowed to be out at night. So the reason for the timer is gone Yeah, I also know some people who aren't a fan of how the dog is implemented into the game, but I don't know Here's what I always say About people that that are maybe nitpicky in a demo early Look, I was nitpicky about tears of the kingdom's opening area I think it was even close to as good as Breath of the Wild's opening area But guess what keep playing and the game just explodes in awesomeness. So I'm like this is an opening demo Like it's a tutorial Oh, I don't like how the dog go work. How about you wait till you need the dog go to actually do something Yeah, like this is just a demo. It's it's a slice. It's a small slice of the very beginning of the game Like you're not gonna know first weekend was all nitpicking for me. Oh, it's like you gotta get a bit more Get to the night. No get to other things and like you'll give it that five six hours And then if you still feel that way, all right, like Yeah, but like gotta get out of the intro area before I think you can really determine anything with any game I don't think I'm a nitpicky person. Some games don't Yeah, I don't think I'm a nitpicky person like It for me, I think You know, if there's one or two things that I'm like, oh, maybe they could have done that differently It doesn't usually bother me that much. It's usually like, what's the overall package? Yeah, like I mean like for example getting to kingdom Right, like she's the kingdom. I've noticed all I mean first of all I think the more popular game is the more likely you're gonna see people complain about it Because it's kind of like the trendy thing to do, right? um But like, you know, I see a lot of people make criticisms about tears of the kingdom And it's not that they aren't valid, right? Everyone's entitled to their opinion, but you know, when I'm playing tears of the kingdom I'm not thinking, you know, I'm just going to complain about this game No, I just want to gush about it because there's so many great things are the things that I You know, but like, oh, could it could be done differently? Sure. Um, but the positives outweigh the negatives or even like the minor Right sides to me. Yeah. Um, so I usually just kind of think more about Just how impressive it is, right? Like I was playing I've been I was still I'm playing tears of the kingdom Even like beat the story like, you know, I'm going for 100% and you know, of course I also analyze it for theory videos and things like that And you know, I probably I might make a video on this at some point because it just kind of feels like a really good topic But like I don't want to take tears of the kingdom for granted if that makes any sense Like as I play the game and I also was playing breath of the rod recently Like even though like they have the same maps to some extent They feel very different. Um, like breath of the wild in a way. I almost want to argue feels bigger I know that may sound crazy But hear me out Breath of the wild your means of transportation are far less. Yeah Yeah, I played it like actually this weekend coincidentally I just went back into it for a bit and I didn't have the Forward tool in sage ability and I was like, oh, well, this makes the game not harder But it just makes it a little more progression is To get to a place. Yeah. Yeah, like I was in the Gerudo region and I saw the giant swords It's like, oh, okay ascend. Oh, I can't send. Oh, oh, what do I oh? I saw the Raleigh's gale, which was like, oh, that's this. I remember I remember loving Raleigh's gale I was like, oh, but I tool in the Billy might be better, right? Like it's just kind of interesting seeing the differences So speaking of ascend I have been on and off playing shinbegami tensei five and Someone here definitely knows that Yeah, I'll get to that later. But like Um, there was a part in the game where I needed to go to like a higher level And I was I was livestreaming the game and I was like guys There are times like this where I wish ascend was in every game but Yeah It's crazy I guess we're just so spoiled with it now because we spent like So long in tears of the kingdom and we're like, oh, we can ascend everything And now we play like other open world games or other open ended games and we're like, oh, dang I wish I could ascend Yeah, yeah But then you look at something like Pikmin. I think biggest Pikmin doesn't It's not the same kind of game when you play you're not like, oh, I'm going to ascend but no because the perspective is very different Um, and something else about Pikmin 4 just want to note of like nitpicking Like I I had something I seen I think I talked about this a few days ago on my podcast, but I saw some people talking about how There's pop you can notice pop in in Pikmin 4 And when I heard this conversation on twitter, my first thought was Well, at least we can see the pop in in Pikmin 4 In prior games You wouldn't see that kind of thing. Yeah, the camera perspective was at the floor Now you can see these beautiful environments off into the distance like just beautiful vistas So we have the opportunity to see pop in which you know, obviously pop in is like a negative thing but Overall Pikmin 4 from what I've seen is a beautiful switch game And I'm really excited about I might try and do a graphics analysis, but those are kind of hard So we'll see. Yeah Oh Yeah, don't get me into that right, uh, but it's it's it's that's something you could easily patch out or patch You know, it's it's easy fix. Yeah, I might fit in so But anyways, yeah, so getting back to what we've been playing lately. Oh, yeah Because we were way off I try to Like much quick mention. Oh, I've played smt 5 I did I mentioned mines naturally I've been playing Pikmin 2 and 2 Yeah, we've all kind of I was talking about Pikmin. Yeah, we've all kind of happened organically I will say I've also been playing a bit of near-autometer on and off. It's near-autometer and smt 5 Yeah, so yeah, half playstation 5 half switch Nice nice, and then I'm over here addicted to riots valerant. That's like not nintendo at all It's my one like non nintendo, whatever I'm like, it's my addiction change that nintendo simp subtitle this and make any sense. You are professional game Yeah, so everyone gets one everyone gets one, okay You know, it's funny is some people ask me they're like, hey, what's your guilty pleasure game like valerant or fortnight? And you know what I said I said zeno blade any zeno blade just running around I just that that's my guilty pleasure if I just feel like playing something I just probably nintendo most likely it's x so I can just fly and do whatever as in my skill Natsu is asking if I have um Ever clear in this mug. I don't But he's wishing he did I mean, you wouldn't be drinking some wine. I got to work in the morning So If we're drinking I'll go grab some of it Oh It is the day after my birthday. So I guess for super chance I will do a shot for every super chat. I don't care tonight the party The party the party doesn't end. It's my birthday week Doesn't end. Um, that being said, I usually don't do shots on the podcast, but you know what guys? I don't care. It's my birthday week. We're lucky. We're having a podcast hell yeah Like speaking of the podcast topic one Let's get to our first topic. It's another topic. I Honestly wasn't gonna have a Zelda topic this week This was going to be the switch to topic But then, you know an interview had to come out and uh, I knew I had to say something That seemed to upset quite a number of people even though it was more So like doubling down on something he's already said in the past where he basically said open air games are the future Of what we're going to do and people Didn't want to believe him from a literal standpoint that that's what they're going to be doing moving forward So in an interview with another other lens, he responded to a question about going back to the old formula Like would they consider going back to the old style games? You know your major's master academic times your limits of the past style of games and making a new game like that again And he said it's it's difficult to say anything about the future that being said Thanks to previous Zelda games a game like the kingdom now exists This game originated from the ideas we had in the past We always tried to create something that offers more than the previous titles In that respect, we really aren't concerned with the older games anymore We only look to the future Which many people took and I understand to mean they're not going to be making That's pretty much a no like to answer the question directly. It's like no, we're not going to make old school Zelda games anymore, which Again, this kind of just follows up somebody said before we said open air is the future. Well, yeah That's what they're making the the Zelda team is going to be they're working on the next one right now Like that's that's what they're going to do Yeah, but I see Andrus over there smirking. So I'm going to let him start What's going on in the the crafty brain he or is over there? Nate? I disagree. There we go They are currently developing skyward sword 2 I can only hope The most linear Zelda game of all time unironically Such a skyward sword fan. I know it's going on such an oxymoron I like skyward sword. I'm glad all four of us here love that game It's actually in my top five zelda games when other really big popular zelda games are not in my top five And I always like to say that because I I think it's I think it gets too much hate I think the reason I lose subs is because ocarino time is not in my top five zelda games That's just let's just be real. That's why I lose subs I will never forget the time that you forgot maybe not even my top 10 ocarino time I will never forget that day. It was like almost two years ago. I would all never forget that You gotta just stuck stuck I just guarantee that I might go below 132 during this Can you just like like okay the top five thing like is understandable when you said the top 10 thing is Which is where it becomes horrendous like top five. Okay, like I think you can make a fair reasonable argument I think you make a fair reasonable argument that is not top 10 There are so many great zelda. We are not going down this All the game time. It's not top 10. There are so many great zelda games Not only just zelda game Yeah, you can have the game just okay. I mean, yeah, that's another discussion for another time. Yeah, that'd be a say What do we think about this? Yeah, the freaking out on the end of classic brand new The emphasis is on brand new. Yeah, I will say masters. They're clearly gonna keep doing I will say um when tears of the kingdom released Aonuma had an interview where he said that the Like the older formula is limiting and you kind of like you kind of feel sad like Oh, you don't want them to make a zelda game where they can't like be creative Yeah, but at the same time what I personally want and I've talked to other friends I've talked to other like zelda fans and what we want is A perfect blend of both And tears of the kingdom came very close to doing that with the traditional dungeons with a more impactful story, but It I think it's still Wanted to be like the best form of open air zelda with non-linearity and doing things out of order But if there was some structure if there was some linearity especially to the narrative Because I've talked to some friends and like I I like the story. I like the things that happen in the story I think how you do the story is a little wonky Personally to me that's just how I feel because The second day I played the game. I saw a memory that I really should didn't want to see I didn't want to see Yeah, like I I felt like upset that I saw the memory. I was like this it didn't ruin the experience But I was like seriously like this this could have been done in a better way And then I saw someone die as one of the first memories. I was like Oh I wanted to come to this location and do this thing, but I was also like It was whatever, but Another thing I was talking to some friends about this today. Like I like the dungeons. I like the new look I like the music. I love the bosses. I love the bosses. Most of the bosses are fantastic I think this A terminal doing things out of order is It's it's okay It like none of these Divine beasts or temples and tears of the kingdom come close to any of the Zelda dungeons that I love and it's kind of It's it kind of sucks because You think like oh What would a dungeon like arbiters grounds or stone tower or snow peak ruins or Ancient cistern look like in a vast gigantic open world hyrule where you can like it Like I I think of like um, what's that? Elden rings a legacy dungeon storm veil castle Uh, rio. Lucario. I don't know if you guys have played Elden ring. I know Andres hasn't but Yeah, but like that's kind of what I was it's not that I was expecting that professional Simp title really feels like it needs to be replaced. All right You can still be an incentive and also play other games Look at all the stuff he's got in the back. Yeah The plushies the eb the mario cap. Yeah, and a thousand hours in elven ring I I I got a lot of time in elden ring as well and I got like Nothing wrong with elden ring no shade. I don't believe in council awards, but I also don't call myself a professional nintendo simp, so Yeah, you go away in your channel name nintendo prime. Well, yeah, because that's what my channel does we cover nintendo with I personally only play nintendo Yeah, what I do is I lose subs. That's why it's my game. Yeah, there you go But I regard it. Oh, sorry. Yeah. No. No. I was just gonna go off of basically what I was saying like I Want I it's not that I wanted the tears of the kingdom dungeons to be like elden ring legacy dungeons Because I still think of the puzzles and what you do in these tears of the kingdom dungeons are fun Versus some elden ring dungeons were just like Find your way around here and fight enemies, which was still all right But like the scope I want the scope and I want that magnitude of those Locations like what do you feel about that? Having played elden ring Yeah, no, so I I think that is definitely one of the weaker points of tears of the kingdom is like and and also Right of the wild is those those dungeons. I think they did a lot better job in tears of the kingdom 100 percent It's still fun. In fact, I I know a lot of people complained about Um Let me let me think I don't want to spoil anything the elden area temple not going to go into details of what it's like Oh, like but I enjoyed that one a lot. In fact, I personally eliminated myself because some people were like, oh I just flew around and I was like, oh, that's kind of lame. You didn't do all the little puzzle things that it had for you But I thought it would have been very hard to fly around Oh, no, a lot of people just they got there little little bike, you know, little little hover bike and zipped around I've saw somebody people do that in the depths. It's great um, but anyways the I mean, if you really what is it? I mean, I know I know the questions about classic zelda formula like so that so the we're talking ocarina time to Scarlet sword. Yeah. Yeah, so I think Seeing a new one of those I'd probably Probably not it's probably not coming but I mean to be fair if you really want to say classic the tears of the kingdom and Breath of the Wild definitely a lot more in line with original zelda and Link to the past and link between worlds, which by the way, what am I gonna get another link between worlds that are a port of that? That was such a good game I'm gonna I'm gonna call blasphemy and comparing it to a link to the past in between worlds Well, link to the past is the one that started the I see what you mean by link between worlds because link between worlds was the first one Like we can do things It was a bit more open, but the story was so pretty linear. Yeah, I I want to ask you guys this It's it's no secret. You guys are A little older than I am but I will say I remember when skyward 16 I I remember when skyward sword released I remember like I got up early that morning for school and I went on IGN to see the review and I was like, oh, that's a 10 out of 10 And I was so hyped and so excited But I will also remember I will never forget the hate and the criticism and People were like this game Nintendo releases this game the same year a skyrim Like what is going on this game is so old the Formula the style is so old and like I remember that and like now everyone wants to bet which is sure Well, but everyone is Yeah, I miss leading. Yeah, but I understand what you're saying. It's a vocal minority is what it is. Yeah I think it's a nostalgia goggles thing. Honestly. Yeah Because I feel that way too sometimes. Yeah, and I honestly think those would be remedied if we just got ports And I think you hear a lot less those people if everything I don't think the ports will get rid of that Really? Yeah, because here's the thing we've been getting ports and remasters this whole time We got links awakening was completely remade. We got skyward sword hg sure to other princess and windmaker aren't here But they did those last gen so maybe they're going to wait till the next system when they can do Ooh 4k or whatever and maybe they'll continue to read me Maybe maybe Grezzel's working on is another top-down remake of I don't know maybe they're doing all into the past Or maybe they're doing the oracle games or something Which would be sweet But the interesting thing about all that is we got that stuff anyways and they're still complaining You know, why are they complaining because they're not new they've already played them They want that but what happened is and this happened with breath of the wild is a creator to divide You had some people that looked at it and said this is so vastly different from what I love about zelda, which is basically A dungeon crawler. That's what they love about zelda a dungeon crawler nine 12 big dungeons That's what they love linear story big dungeons. That's all they care and they love the old formula You've got the dungeon item. You got the mini boss. You got the big key the little key They like that formula so much and breath of the wild tears the game even with their dungeons don't do that So they love that and they hated what breath of the wild did because This is a common thing you probably guys remember back in the breath of wild days It doesn't feel like a zelda game. That was a common thing stated on the internet It doesn't feel like a zelda game Which is ironic since it actually felt a ton like the original legend of zelda Yep, well most people didn't grow up on the original legend of zelda that we're talking They started with ocarina of time. Yeah, and so that to them is what zelda has always been They you know a lot of people I know that started in that late 90s early 2000s Whenever they've gone back to play the original legend of zelda. Usually they say I hate it Okay, well, yeah, then you're probably not going to be a huge fan of what breath of the wild and tears of the kingdom are doing The problem is that the zelda team has been trying for a long time. They've said this in interviews They've been wanting to crack the 10 million sales barrier And they they didn't really know how to do it and they've talked about going back to open world for a while That technology wasn't there for them to do it skyward store was supposed to be open world The technology wouldn't let them do exactly what they wanted And so it actually ironically became one of the most linear zelda games and It's kind of we're going completely the opposite when they realized they couldn't do what they wanted to do But it paved the path for the future Yeah, like I think they wanted the sky to be completely open to go to drop down like they did in tears of the kingdom But you just yep the tech just won't let them do it at the time Uh, and so because of that oh, we can't do that now It's gonna be set paths and we have a linear story. You have to go to this place. Okay. Now. It's a super linear game uh, what's interesting is They did it with breath of the wild 30 million plus, you know, they did it with tears of the kingdom Probably a 20 million. We haven't had a sales update in a bit, but it keeps top and sales charts We have no idea. It's probably at least a 15 million. Yeah, and who knows Twilight princess cross 10 million boat. That was game cube and we combined right still not Still no still no. Yeah, the game cube sales were actually pretty pure. I mean, I mean it For a dead console that's so well, and they only did one run. They only did one run So, I mean, I think because thanks to game cube sales It got to the eight million ish mark approaching nine maybe but it was under nine million Just five nine million nine nine six So you look at what's up is doing right the 30 million who knows where tears of the kingdom is gonna end We have no idea it's gonna be 20 25. Is it gonna get the 30? I have no idea Because it all depends on switchers life is are they gonna do a remastered release on the next system And then they're gonna count those sales and I have no idea how nintendo's gonna count sales for it But the point is that it already in three days did something no other Zelda games ever done It's sold 10 million copies in three days, which is the second Zelda game to ever cross 10 million ever In the history in three days just combining the sales I did this the other day combining the sales of breath of the wild and tears of the kingdom Together almost doubles the entire sales of the whole franchise. That's almost 20 games deep Like let's just think like let that sink in for how much these games are so like they don't care about the old formula anymore The old formula do this it couldn't do this. It's unfortunate But it couldn't do that. Like of course, they're gonna focus on what sells So I'm gonna come in and play devil's advocate This is actually Now he's coming serious. Well, it's all it's full circle. I'm coming back to my skyward sword point Skyward sword too isn't about okay. I was kidding, but I actually brought it up. Um, just to kind of Talk about how I felt like skyward sword When you look at that game When you play that game, especially played it back in the day as you guys brought up earlier it kind of screams There needs to be more open exploration, right? Like you go down to high room like man, I really wish I could find like you wanted You wanted to go between the problems I just want to get this thing quick before I forget because we have that our sales extraordinaire paul gale network in the chat And he's really dialed it on on sales He's got a lot of connections with nintendo when it comes to sales data And he said that uh tears of the kingdom has is that 15 percent of the total switch install base right now That would put it at at 18 million 750 thousand units sold right now approaching 20, baby. Let's go Yeah, um, but anyway, so that's it. I just want to get that in before I forgot about it Yeah, so, I mean, you know, I you look at skyward story. There was most linear zelda ever and there are things about it that Really made people feel like it needed to be go open so they went open Um, and they became the best selling zeldas but I do think that This idea of what the direction they are going being the only way they can get to that those numbers is maybe a bit of a fallacy because It's breath of the wild cheeses the kingdom sales Aren't just because they went open there. It's a big part of it But there is a switch effect. You know, like there are more core gamers buying games on switch than there were on we So, you know, if if twilight princess came out as a new game today, it would probably sell more than 8 million Yeah, yeah, I don't but yeah Well, I mean, yeah, having an install base like that obviously will boost your numbers But I think i'm on nate side with this one where it's like I I just don't think it may do numbers and may it may cross that 10 million threshold if they do it in the old format But I just don't really think People are hungry for that for like enough people are hungry. Excuse me for that new format or the old format I don't think it was actually disagree about for the record, right? Like I I told yeah, you're just playing doubles advocate. Yeah I don't I don't know Scarsword hd. I mean so twilight princess, which is the most popular game in the old formula Um, like if it came out brand new today, I still don't think it would it would do those kind of like Let's just pretend breath of the wild never happened. So it never created a different expectation So we're still expecting that old formula Yeah, okay, maybe we cross 10 million with the switch effect. We're not getting 30 million It's it's just not happening like I the there's a limitation to the appeal of that style of game And it's kind of it's interesting to think because because you know zelda when you're talking about series It says 4 million can sell 8 million at the top end Well, how does that feel limiting? Well, because we see mario games in the past doing 20 30 40 million 60 million back on the nest Like we've seen other, you know pokemon do 20 30 million We we see other nintendo ip's Even animal crossing new leaf pop off at 12 13 14 million on the 3ds Like we have seen other nintendo ip's Smash through the 10 million barrier no problem and zelda just hey, they've had 17 18 cracks of this and they Wouldn't do it I don't know that You know the switch effect has created this thing where for some reason switch games on switch sell more copies per release Then they did on 3ds which sold 150 million units and they did on we which sold, you know 100 plus million units sort of it depends on the genre we We sports resort did a little bit better than ring fit adventure they built building off of the original we sports, but In general like the core ip's from nintendo. I mean look just look at mario odyssey There isn't a 3d mario game that comes close to those sales numbers such a massive w Like that's another one that like Yep, oh man. Look what that did compared to prior 3d mario's. It's doing 2d side scrolling mario numbers like what has happened Yeah, but you know, I'm gonna come in to defend the traditionals all the purists Traditional in quotes because I agree traditional is all the one and breath the launch is the king are more true to that um, but Yeah, our priest and a link to the past Looking fast on word era, you know an opera a time, right? um I actually, um, you know everything nishkwick said earlier about tears of the kingdom I've been full agreement with right. I think tears of the kingdom did a great job of trying to bring in some of those Prior Zelda tropes, uh, you know the zeblas are the dungeons are more are better themed, right? They have more unique themes the the music overall in the game. I think it's an improvement over breath of the wild There's something to say about that out Um, the the bosses are amazing, right? And there are more linear story elements But I also agree, you know, I think the dungeons while I enjoyed them I think there is room for improvement And I think there is room for improvement with the story as well Like I agree with those points And so what the ultimate what I'm trying to say here Is that when you go back to that to that interview that you know that kind of inspired this discussion, right? I don't think the quote says hey, we're never going to give you that traditional experience In a way it does because they're always pushing for do something new But it isn't I think the what I'm trying to get at here is it He wasn't saying that everything about the prior games is bad It's just they're always going to be trying to make something bigger and better Yeah, and they'll sprinkle in some of the old stuff in there too Sure, like there's going to be a time where the form of breath of the wild and tears of the kingdom are also going to be dated Yeah, and they're they're going to find something that's even better. It's hard. It's so hard to imagine right now since we're in the beginning of that form I feel like 70 and then they're finally oh, it's old now guys Well, when I say that I think the games will probably still be open air But there'll be other elements of it that will evolve in other ways, right? Like maybe they find a better way to tell the story Yeah, the story is the one that I'm interested in for the future games like yeah They went that you know, they went with again finding memories again Which is fine and it was definitely the way they handled it was better than in breath of the wild But it's sort of like, okay, but if that's the is that the only idea you guys really have on how to have a completely open game With the story like yeah, look at look it out. Like there's other open world. I know what you said in the same interview We don't look at other games There are times there's other open world games that don't fragment the story like this so much You can find a way to have a more linear story while being completely open I will say yeah When it comes to say that I I think they they are inspired by other games But once they start development in earnest, that's when it becomes the bubble. So there I think about it. Yeah, it's not that he's lying No, because they've cited skyrim for breath of the wild I think subconsciously this is a thing too. It's an impossible to other games don't inspire them because subconsciously You might not be able to that time but this idea you came up with might have been based on something you played 10 years ago We stand on the shoulders of giants. Yep Yeah, and oh and what that means for those who don't aren't familiar with the quote It just means that it's it's usually based for like science, but it's kind of like Um as a community as a as a people, right? We're continually building new concepts and ideas And we learn from the past and we don't start from scratch. We build upon it So, you know all the ideas for them is Hey You did two two games in a row where most of the story happened in the past Let's have it happen in the present. What do you come up to make that work? Yeah, I mean seriously the kingdom was more present than well There were multiple main story arcs some of them that took place in the present Especially Way more present like the core main one a huge chunk of it's In the past I am trying not to spoil anything on why it's there's a good They gave us a very good reason for why it was in the past this time like Cool Actually, I didn't mind the past stuff because the past stuff was still present. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah Yeah, you find that out as you go The the memories It felt like an excuse to me though to keep doing the memory thing and it's like Yeah, I will say nintendo always works so close with monolith soft because like monolith soft does like the world design of Breath of the volunteers of the kingdom. They do animal crossing and splatoon and all that right now monolith soft is nintendo So, yeah, yeah, they are and they also do xeno blade and I always bring up xeno blade because I'm also a huge xeno blade fan But the thing is xeno blade. I Like to call them open world games because they have Giant open worlds, but they also have very linear stories And the thing is the structure of a xeno blade game is not the same as a zelda game But I would like them to take some inspiration from like their own team monolith soft like xeno blade stories again are not the same as zelda's stories, but I think they're Most of the time more impactful in Storytelling in story moments emotional moments emotional Like beats and all that and I think the biggest thing is the music and Like breath of the wild I defended the music a lot because I actually like the it made sense from what they were doing Yeah, I I can't imagine hyrule fields team blaring when you're in the open world I think that it just feels very jarring and off-putting to me I will say A lot of the I didn't watch too many reviews for tears of the kingdom But a lot of them said the music was an improvement. I don't agree with that at all I think the music felt a little bit disappointing to me outside of the boss teams outside of the boss teams I Didn't really care and that was also me coming from xeno blade like xeno blade has spoiled me with Some of my favorite video game soundtracks. I've ever listened to And I was like zelda had this twilight princess wind waker Skyward sword one of my best one of my favorite video game soundtracks So like I I want I want like I want the tears of the kingdom trailer music In some parts of the game, you know Yeah, so I imagine that I imagine this this conversation you just had right now Which I agree with a lot of the things you said But that you're you just gave this nice speech about all these things that you should be inspired by Monalisa off and all this and you're talking directly to agi onuma And he just goes he just goes what what what one month? Oh xeno blade lances of the charts didn't sell 2 million Don't know that we're gonna be inspired by that one Yeah, maybe he wouldn't be that mean to you, but he'd just be like, you know, I think we're doing pretty good over here We're gonna keep I don't know Memories again, and I'll probably love it and I might become my new favorite game of all time The complaints are oh, no memories again. Also, you know people talk about how weak this I'm sorry I thought the story really wasn't that weak in Breath of the Wild I played the entire zola franchise the stories are pretty much I think Except for like three of them. So I It's just the same story beats and all those elder games That's the wild was a breath of fresh air with the story a little bit But it was all in the past tears of the kingdom has present and past but it kind of melds it which I love and honestly Go watch just all the cutscenes in the game Yeah, yeah in a movie format. It's on youtube you watch it I stop at a certain point because there's some I haven't seen yet But it's like no man, dude this story. Yeah, this is this is epic Like what do we stories weak it only it only made me feels weak because the world is so big That maybe it doesn't feel like there's enough story for the size of the world But I don't know man. Yeah outside of like skyward sword There's not many like I look at it into the past and I don't go man That story is so much more complex than this one. No Yeah I I personally think that Breath of the Wild has a better story than a game like Elden Ring I don't know what you think about that flam because like Elden Ring I got to the end of the game and I still didn't know what was happening I think I But I think it's both of them Stories that take place in the past Elden Ring most of the events happen in the past Same yeah That's why I come through those stories the approach that firms off has always taken though to this is an all I've played all the souls games so well except for two. Um, oh, you don't need to it's it's more of like It's like sprinkled about I know I'm this is as a person Listen if we talk about Pokemon or we talk about We talk about literally everything else. I mean, I'm talking about Zelda. I can do that too, but I think a Are actually very very Nintendo-esque. Yeah They're like a merger of Zelda and Metroid Yeah, yeah, that's a fantastic way to explain it. No the way they sprinkle in the story It's for them. It's more of they reference it rather than Yeah, I can like in this one. It's like you're you're you're watching it happen. You get it. You see those actions happen but you don't see and What's his name on the horse like fight each other like it's not a cut. Yeah, right car. You see that. Oh, sorry. Oh red on red on Sorry, John. That's an excuse. Yeah red on you don't see that ever happen. It's it's referenced It's like oh this happened in the past But it's not not that it's not relevant But it's technically not relevant to what what's happening in front of you because you're You're that your quest is I'm trying to become the Eldenborn, you know, it's like, okay This is how these people got here, but it's not like it's not affecting me directly. So yeah That's just but that's always been like the the firm soft Method is it's like referenced and if you want to look into that lore you can and it's nice to dive into What you can listen like three hour long videos on youtube Even blood like I played blood born a couple years back and it's my preferred from software game game Even more than Eldenry because I just I just really like that game But there was a part in the game You beat a boss and then you like touch this like thing and then it gives you a flash back and I'm like I didn't understand what happened, but I just want to fight the next boss Yeah, it's a very different kind of experience So is this the end of classic Zelda? I think until I think for the foreseeable maybe until the end of the switch at the very least I even if that's for a long time. Yeah Well, I I have an argument like maybe another year or so I I think I guess this is off topic and we could get into more when we talk about the switch part, but I I think the next Switch two is going to be more akin to like a 3ds upgrade rather than a Brand new like you can't play because the install base on the switch is so freaking huge And it's made them so much money. There's no way Nintendo gives that up already, you know I mean, I think we all agree. I think we all everyone on this panel thinks it's going to be backwards compatible. So, you know, yeah, that's true But anyways, that's that's just my little I want to ask you guys when do you think the next Mainline legend of zelda game with the legend of zelda title will release because Not a remake or remaster. Yeah No, because it could like I don't think the next mainline zelda game is going to be The open air open world style. I think it's going to be like a smaller 20 28 Yeah, I like 20 30. I could I could even see 20 30 dude, like I I told people 20 30 for like the next open. Yeah one, but I can see them doing like a 2d 2.5 d kind of zelda experience. Oh, yeah, like, uh, kate in some higher roles That was the fun little drop they did a while ago cadence of high roll. Did you reply to that one? Yeah, that's all Yeah, that was like a spin-off with rhythm. Yeah. Yeah, that was an indie studio. Yeah, so yeah You could see stuff like that happen. Maybe I want to see something which builds off of link between worlds as like non-linearity, but still linear story and It's got that um 2d zelda nostalgia feel to it so the So I originally thought that we might still get top-down zelda's Sort of in that old formula as like a between the big ones never really happened Then you go, oh, they did links awakening. Okay. Well, if that's what they're doing Then maybe the next time around will be that and links awakening was grezzo and I kept thinking what grezzo did triforce heroes Uh, they helped out, you know with the the others all the games as well And you know what maybe nintendo's main zelda team won't do it anymore as this suggests. Oh Hey, we're always in the future. We're just gonna you know And by the way, these are like 200 300 person teams are using on zelda They ain't got the spare spare guys in the zelda team to really try to do the two zelda games Like they used to they combined the teams of the threat of the wild And then I ain't looking back So I don't think that they're thinking of splitting off part of the zelda team to make that So I kept going well, they have grezzo grezzo is the obvious choice you go with them They've worked on a lot of zelda games, you know, you just put you just give them a director from your zelda team And let grezzo, you know make those top-down zelda's and maybe that's still going to be a thing that we don't know Like this is the future. We don't know But I look at it as I don't think that they think it's worth investing in that versus how much cheaper it is to just remake something They've already done then they don't have to have a member from their zelda team go over there and direct They could just have grezzo keep doing linked awakening. They can do a link to the past They can redo a link between worlds at some point. They can do oracle of age oracle season pretty much on their own And it'd be a lot cheaper for nintendo to do that and pretty much see the exact same sales That they see anyways So I I know andress is going to explain how they're not done with it and I'm going to go into his his devil's advocate on it, but I I just kind of take this as look When you're selling 30 million, I mean we just talked about 18 Almost 19 million copies of cheers the kingdom. So yeah, there's a potential that sells 30 million in the first year I don't know if it'll pull it off, but it there is the potential is there We haven't even hit the holidays with a mario game coming out that's going to potentially boost zelda sales It happens every time there's a big game will come in our breath of the wild Back in the top 10 cheers the kingdom might still be in the top 10 When mario comes out at this rate so like I look at it as there is a possibility that we're seeing two zelda games back to back sell 30 million I don't think they give two shits about the old old formula anymore They're just going steam all all that L hands on deck. They're gonna try to get The next big open world game out I think they want I think they're probably I I mean this would even support it more if we never get dlc for cheers of the kingdom It's because they're trying to get this next one out within like four years Which would which I don't know how they can do that, but that might be an internal goal of there's a hey We don't want to wait six years We want to try and get a quick turnaround so we're out within the first two years of the next platform Yeah, that's what we thought for breath of the wild too and look all that turned out well Yeah, and but again but again Here's the caveat with both games breath of the wild potentially was done in 2015 But delayed because the platform sucked So they were waiting for switch and then this game they already told us flat out It was done last year They just gave it a year of polish because they knew they could they knew they could they didn't need They didn't have to do a year of polish. They could have did six months But they didn't need to rush it out switch is doing just fine It was it wasn't like a dire situation like oh man, we got nothing to sell switches this year No switch so great last year so they think and honestly based on the way things were looking this year This was the right year to release it because it is the game carrying switch sales right now So it's the game clearly it was a good idea to release it this year And I guess tag team with mario and the holidays, but I I kind of just look at it as I think they're all Hands on deck when you're selling that many units, they're not worried about the old games They're not worried that there's larger gaps because they're going to fill those gaps with remakes and remasters That still sell exactly the same as the new games in the old formula sold anyways You know like when they drop twilight princess 4k I wouldn't be shocked if it ends up selling eight million like the like the old one did it won't it won't even surprise me And it'd be way cheaper for them to do So I just kind of look at it as They're going to get the same sales anyways off less money So why wouldn't they just do that and just keep investing everything into the big ones that sell 30 million now now granted Where we don't know what's going to happen when they're trying to sell on a new platform yeah but It could be one of those games that drives the sales of a new platform because I think zelda zelda has proven now multiple Console launches that it it it in that of itself as a system mover Okay, we sports combined with twilight princess really helped push we that first year Just the first year I only give them the first year with with twilight princess because it only did eight million or seven million or so On on we but it got it made the hardcore fans want we all we sports made the casuals on it And it was a nice match at launch then you obviously saw what breath of the wild helped do Combined with obviously the rest of the games that came out in year one in 2017 So zelda's proven it's a system seller on its own So as long as the system that you have out isn't garbage and people are already interested in it It's going to move units people might buy it to play it It it's I'll put it this way The last two zelda games have the potential we don't know because it hasn't happened yet to both the game of the years So now if every zelda release is considered an event Yeah, that in that of itself people will just buy systems to play it. Yeah So that's what I think they're aiming for zelda to be moving forward. It is the system mover Oh, we only sold 10 million of x at this time Guess what you're sold 20 million more because this game's on the platform I think that's what zelda's sort of become at this point assuming that they keep up with each zelda game feels like an event But again, we're predicting the future. We don't know the future. It's i'll say this I don't think a g anom is making any of these old school games anymore If it'll be somebody else if it if it happens Do you guys think of fuji Miyashi is gonna like Eventually step up and be the new onuma. I think it'll eventually happen And I think once that happens. I think The games will start to feel very different But they will start to feel more like what we're getting now if that makes sense They'll feel different. But like we're getting now. Yeah, no It'll it'll distance itself different with the same as zelda games more. That's what I meant I don't know about that. He's the he's the primary mind behind these two. Yeah, he is He's the cap com fuji by yoshi is the guy behind To make sure that ganon's still bad One of the first games he directed with skyward sword and when the talks open worlds, yeah, he did Yeah, yeah, but when but when they brought him into into nintendo one of the first things he did He didn't once he worked for nintendo directly with skyward sword And it's funny because in every interview back then he talked about how we wanted skyward sword to be open world This whole movement is him. He wanted this to happen And now it's here and it's blown. It's it's almost like he just knew in his mind If I could just do what I want Zelda's going to be massive. Yeah, and it is so I don't think I love it. I think he actually gets more Like we're going open like the people forget a g i knew that people got mad at him over this quote He's like, look, he's the guy at the top He's gonna he's gonna get all the credit and all the blame. That's what happens when you're at the top And look if you want to be he's pretty much. Hey if you want to be mad We're not going back be mad at me don't be mad at the guy who actually made us not go back because hey I was there. I directed major's master. Remember that I directed this I was there for this. Oh, you love twilight princess Yeah, that was me like he So he's like I was I was doing the old school games and guess what this guy's better than me so What I was I do think And this is this is kind of off topic, but I do think that this next big one that comes out I am wondering if it's going to be the last one That I'll name is the producer on I was he brought up that he's not sure as he gets all he's in the 60s now like he's not sure If he can keep putting in the hours he's doing I I honestly thought that yeah, I thought this would be his last one and I mean, I don't know And he said it's not he's so he's going to be on for the next one. Yeah Yeah, I'm glad he's going back for the next one I kind of think this next one though might be like a Transitionary like he's going to try to show Fubayashi the ropes of what it means to be in his position While Fujiwayashi while he's still directing. Yeah, but meanwhile Fujiwayashi will be training up his next Yeah, yeah, yeah, whoever and and we don't know who that that next by the way. Miyamoto did this Did this with al-Numa? It was the same thing. Yeah. Yeah, and um, and what's the name? Koizumi koizumi was like the mario guy And like it's funny because both of them worked on majorism as koizumi and al-Numa And then Koizumi went like he got the blessing to go into mario and then al-Numa got the blessing to go into zelda So yeah, I mean that that's how you that's how you do a proper transition. Yeah, it doesn't ever feel like you miss a beat Yeah, I mean the thing is We all here in this panel we understand zelda in different ways, right? But we understand zelda is the point, right? Everyone has a slightly different taste or opinion But the point is is that I think nintendo has a this philosophy, right? And as long as they maintain this philosophy and they will they're going to continue to hire talent That's going to bring in their own creative input, but there is just going to be this cohesion Uh, the way they've been developing both breath well the tears of the king They have this new kind of like design philosophy where they do it all in a bubble I don't know what you guys are laughing about I just realized that I forgot I said I do shots from a super chat We've had three super chats and I've been He got some work to do I gotta catch up. I thought you were drinking because he was playing devil's advocate. You're like Here he goes again All I'm saying is I don't think we have anything to worry about when it comes to zelda feeling like zelda or mario feeling like mario I think nintendo understands what they have to do to keep their gains fueling the way they should And obviously some people are going to disagree like we have a lot of um zelda purists right or leaked to the past auger 10 purists They don't like the direction but most people are okay with it And the overall point is is that they're nintendo has a good philosophy with training up talent bringing in more people and slowly You know Moving forward right like so i'm not really worried about that But I do want to kind of speak on to kind of maybe just finish up my thoughts on this topic Which kind of segue into the next topic, but Segway, yeah, I I think that uh, you know Nintendo does care about other franchises. I don't think sales Sales are obviously important. This is a business, right? And we're there's no disagreement there and there's no disagreement that open air zelda is absolutely nintendo's focus It's probably going to be nintendo's biggest thing. Um, there's no denying any of that But also nintendo does has other projects that don't sell as much xeno blade is a thing Pikmin's a thing Metroid's a thing right and all these series sell two to three million fire emblems is a thing These are if our album is breaking past that a bit. I think three houses was Three houses also have the kind of sort of elements in there as well, which is it's it's still the same point though Yeah, nintendo has a lot of friends. Yeah nintendo has a lot of franchises that don't necessarily sell 10 15 20 million But they will continue to do them. We just got advanced wars remakes Like wait that so that does like this on interview that came out from video games chronicle With an x nintendo dev and people are taking this to me the f0 is never going to happen first off Some of us pretty believe very hopeful heartily at f0 gx remasters right right around the corner It just hasn't been announced yet. I I think it's a rumor take away the greatest salt But I think that reasoning for what he gave for f0 not coming back is a little sad You know, they're like, oh mario kart exists Oh f0 won't sell and we don't have new ideas then we just won't do it and it doesn't sound like nintendo to me You know, I mean if they put a different spin on it I can see what he's saying like if you just released it as it was and it was just a racing game Then they would need to be doing something different with it I can like they need to put a spin on it because I mean that's I mean that's with any kind of form of content Right, you get it. They'll join can twist right It's not that he's wrong. I'll change it up. Yeah, I mean sales are always a part of the equation You know projects have to be green lit. Is this lucrative? But the point is is that not every game is going to be a 20 million seller Yeah, there are going to be some games that are going to have a more niche audience Nintendo releases games all throughout the year for different ideas for all varieties. Yep. And I talk when I talk about this right? Yes, it's kind of takes us into the next topic But also I'm bringing it back to the whole zealot scenario because there is room for other zeldas the same way There's room for a metro a dread the same way there's room for an advanced wars remake It may not even sell a million. There's room to go back to a 2d zelda. Here's another example. Mario bros wonder Big freaking deal. It may be the best selling in the tunnel game this year. If not, maybe the second, right? And there's a lot of people before this game was announced that we're thinking we may never see 2d mario again Those idiots Well, I think you can make us there is always also 3d. It's stupid. It has of course. They're going to go back Okay, but for but anyway the point but I understand you're saying but You can make a similar argument for for zelda and no, I understand zel 2d zelda isn't so like 3d zelda, but That doesn't mean it doesn't sell links awakening remakes sold incredibly well for what it was It's not sold skyward sword Yeah, we're sold sold like shit Sure, I mean well, I mean like like it was like three times I'm talking about the switch version We talked about the switch effect the links awakening was the opposite of the switch effect Because links awakening just sold like the original did it didn't outsell the original links awakening. Well, I mean if Wait a handful a million. It's the original sold four and a half million. This one sold a little over four So the switch effect didn't do anything to it. It kind of proved that the interest level in those kind of games hasn't really Yeah, I think you're I think you're ignoring the part that it's a remake remakes in general Don't sell as good as their originals. So the fact that it sold comparable. I think is actually it says a lot Skyward sword. I know was like three times as much as it's when don't remake sell as good I'm really confused the good remakes. See sometimes I'll sell the original mario rpg might it will probably out sell Yeah, mario rpg will probably But there's a lot of variables there's a lot of variables possible like 10 plus million for mario rpg Which would green light a sequel so speaking of freaking dead franchises. They got brought back to life. Am I right? Yeah, well, that's that's another example though, right like nintendo. I think we just had to be patient If 2d zelda does sell a few million nintendo will make a game that can sell a few million It may not happen every year or every two or three years It may be five or six years or longer maybe seven or eight look at to mario bros wonder but I think eventually we will see another 2d zelda and When it comes to traditional zelda, I think the ultimate point is that zelda mainline zelda is always going to be evolving But I do think the door is open for me. Maybe like an arpeggio I want to throw this out here and not not to disagree with you because you know, I disagree but it's okay The can we stop calling it 2d zelda? Just like we need to stop calling it 2d mario It's side scrolling mario and top downs of the 3d graphics in the games. What are we talking about? You've had 3d graphics in zelda for a while and like link between worlds literally pops out of your screen It's a colloquial realism. It's it's it's top down. What is it iso? Well, no, it's a full isometric isometric to be 3d world Yeah, I mean more Yeah Do you think it is? Okay, because I wanted to like confirm that that it is isometric. I don't know It's it's you mean forgotten forgotten land. Yes. Yes. Is it really isometric? I'm gonna call that. Okay. If you're calling that isometric then you have to call The 3d world isometric. Yeah, exactly. It's the same perspective as that. That's how people refer to 3d world. So, you know Fair enough. Yeah, I mean, maybe those people are wrong The camera is usually much further out. Yeah, you guys know the new Over the shoulder the new odd world game kind of has that camera's perspective and they called it 2.9 d And I thought that was the silliest Way to describe it. What is 2.9? So doggie to your point, you know like new super mario It will pros which I don't know why we're talking about new super mario bros because we were watching in wonder Um, then a little between worlds works on a 2d plane Actually, there are there's height in the game and things can't like you can go up on a high plane And shoot over enemies. So there's height in the game So you can't say it works on a 2d plane because it does take height into it's yeah There's where I mean these these games have depths like we can talk about metroid dread Right metroid dread has elements that aren't just pure side scrolling, right like when you go behind the shoulder Oh, absolutely. Yeah, so I mean, so I mean really like even minnish cap minnish cap You can jump with the rocks feather or even like, um, what's that links the weakening hazard too, right? The rocks feather. Listen, these terminologies are just colloquialisms It is like I know where people mean when they say 2d Zelda. Yeah, it's more like top down Like we'd be on the 2d visuals a lot. It's not the it's not the scientific term. It's not it's not the what is it the politically correct? Yeah What's the same between all those marios? They're all side scrolling. I mean if we really want to get technical. I mean rpg is No, oh, yeah, that's not. Oh, I've had very long conversations Anything where you're playing a role that's a game is an rpg I've had people tell me that your solid and resident evil are rpgs and they made a solid case and I couldn't deny it But I was like They're not but I guess you and that's right. That's why I think colloquialisms are very valid because We understand what we're referring to. Yeah. Yeah when we say rpg It's more of like a trigger point to me at the moment every time someone rings it up. I'm like, no, I'm gonna correct you I can't help it. It's just what I am. I've changed my terminology I used to use the same terminology And then after all in between words, I'm like, I can't do that anymore Like literally they talked about verticality in the dam interviews. I can't I can't do it anymore It's now well, I mean should we not call breath about and choose the kingdom open world Because they call them open air Correct. That's just making a term. Well, I mean They made up a term they didn't this is nintendo. This is the apple way we want to be different It's not 120 hertz screen. It's whatever they called it. They don't hold 120 hertz. No, no, no, no, no It's 120 hertz. It's some I don't know Promotion, I believe it is pro we have promotion screens. You mean 120 hertz. No. No, no, no, you can't do that It's promotion. They're just making up terms How do you think words of breaches are created though? They're made up by somebody and eventually they stick their buzzwords That's how it works. It's buzzwords in the end. Here's what I hate You can say like glizzy. All right hot dog cap lie. Okay We're using words to replace other words that already exist that do the damn job Open air is open world. They're the same Term for open In breath of the wild since it was used in that if you want to argue Oh and cheers of the kingdom because you're up in the sky fine If it's an open world game not up the sky you can't call it open air But guess what we weren't up in the sky in breath of the wild and they called it open air So it's the same thing There's a paraglider. You know how many open world games you could jump off Come on I I think that anyways, we're we're This is a good way The first Actually you guys we actually do have some podcast sponsors coming up Uh, but you guys are the sponsor of this guys episode Thank you to everyone who supports the podcast and the channel in general over on patreon I patreon.com section to the prime It is pinned in the comment You can become a member for as little as one dollar and help support this little tiny show we do Every single week and I'm waiting for the patreon to get so big Then andress reaches out and goes dude. I'm on every week. Where's my pay? I Anyways, uh, let's move on To that next topic since we had a nice little segment, but then we can't it's zelda guys Whenever zelda comes up it like dominates and that's why I wasn't planning to have a zelda topic, but then I knew I had to open his mouth and say something that I said to you Judy zelda will come again Because the nintendo cares about their other franchises, but some people disagree here. I completely disagree Well, okay. Why why you just agree then why? Because I'm trying to help you segue for less money. They could just remake games to get the same sales It's business. It's all about business. It doesn't make business sense to keep making it It makes business sense to make side scrolling mario It does not make business sense to make to invest money in new ideas for those kind of games. Just doesn't Pickman 4 doesn't exist Okay, I think You're bringing up small budget games zelda's never been a small budget game Well, sudy zelda's not gonna be a big budget title either. So I mean they took three years to develop a link between worlds That's not that's like that's not no time there Dude, they put link between worlds on good morning america when I was like 12. I remember Yeah, that was that was wild. I was like, oh my god There are a lot of indie games that do more impressive things than link between worlds I was trying not to get moderners trying not to get the last word in honors. I was trying to transition here I'm done to our next time We get so this is just kind of a for fun topic. I don't think it's gonna take very long But it's it's just kind of for fun. We haven't done for fun topics in a while because we're so news focused around here So I wanted to throw a little curveball in this week and we get the opportunity each of us Nintendo calls us out Not Doug Bowser. He don't get to make these decisions. We're talking to furikawa the man himself Maybe even Miyamoto second highest pay guide Nintendo what he says kind of goes We get to bring back one old Nintendo ip Just one that's it. It was a lot. We probably want back but only one I hope mine doesn't get taken And why I will go last. Okay. Can I go first? You go first do it. Yeah, he's so worried about him You worry about it. I'll go first So mine is very, um Very random Um, I will say what about it being taken Yeah, but it's The thing is I didn't know this franchise existed until smash brothers And when I found these characters in smash brothers, I was like, oh, where is their game? And I never saw their game Uh, I he he knows what's coming. Yeah Well, yeah, so basically I I looked back and I was like, oh, where is this game? Where's this game from these characters? And it was like all the way back on the nes I don't think we even got a second one, but I would love to see On an hd Maybe 3d or just a new modern take on the ice climbers. Oh my god Let's go. Oh my god. No, okay, you know going on Ice climbers that you know that new game going up. What if we had a faudian? Go or what like a benet faudie type ice climbers where it's just one giant map And if you fall you have to like restart from the very oh my god, that'd be actually crazy I would love like an arcade so ice climbers where you can be like in four hours But there's reason to go back and forth and if you kind of like a roguelike in a way Yeah, it'll be amazing. Hades meets ice climbers. That would be really cool Yeah, but with modern graphics modern music modern Starting off with a banger In five hours long you gotta be low budget ideas for that game nintendo take notes Yeah, and these characters. What are they? What are they popo and nano or whatever? They got redesigns in melee. They've looked the same in brawl smash 4 I don't think they were in smash 4 and then ultimate they look the same so give them new redesigns give them new personalities looks Because the world of ice climbers we see it through smash bros And that's not even in ice climbers. I saw it through the nest. I'm just saying yes The modern like You know, it's just a 3d realization Yeah, I know a lot of people discover through it. But for me, it's just a 3d realization of my childhood I I never played ice clambers. I never knew about it until And then I went back into like I think they put it on nso. You should go play it. Yeah, I'll give it a shot Yeah, I don't know. Yeah, I actually will yeah because on I think brawl has the chronicle Where you can go back and play demos of the retro games So that's how I found out what ice climbers is and I was like wow they Is there no like no other ice climber game? It was actually shocking when they put the ice climbers in the game. It was really unexpected back then yeah That was the banjo kazooie of the day. Yeah, it's kind of like um when people wanted the mock rider in smash ultimate Oh, yeah He wants to go next Yeah, I He's got his hand. He wants to go but Want any so I guess I would say mario rpg or I would say like the mario and luigi series Yeah, because they're tech I consider them to be sequels of the mario rpg genre I know there's technically the split that yeah, you know pay mario and But I would like to see I mean you could even port them to the switch and I would be happy Um, but I knew one of those would be really nice And even if you just put them in like the octopad traveler kind of 2d iso eight The style that would be so sick. I would love that. Um, but the other thing I was that I had thought of like the set Like while we were talking, uh No, I would probably choose this one over Okay, okay one though, uh a new earthbound game So it's finally a game I didn't put on the list. I was like ice cream. What's on the list? Not not earthbound though. No earthbound would be sick, uh, especially just because like Again kind of us out. He was talking about uh, you were talking about oh, we only see the story through Um smash bros and I know there's a lot of people who haven't played I mean there's plenty of people who have played you know earthbound in other games But I have three officially So yeah, exactly, but a lot of them just haven't come to america So it'd be really cool to one them just even acknowledge that the games exist other than in smash bros than two Uh, if if we got some type of sequel or it doesn't even have to be a sequel It could just be like a spiritual successor like with all new characters Like kind of gave up lucas or or even though like they're what they're doing with pigman 4 where they have You have like your character that maybe you create but you interact with Lucas in the past and nests and Whoever else, you know, I'd be really I don't it'd be really neat And I think you can derive so many new characters and art style You can take you can go so many ways with it and I think I think the trend of uh, like the octopath traveler is kind of set or just that trend of like jrpg is going in the way of like this cool Isometric super ultra hd or just like having just like a really unique art style I would love to see more of that applied to Earthbound game as well. So but anyways, that's that's that's my that's my pick Cool Yeah, you want to go next time just you want me to go? I mean Thing is like I like I mean, you know, I know you want it's your show So if you want to go I think you should go last like, you know, yeah, that's fine. I'll go last You're not gonna say my game anyways. I don't think I got double transmission. Nintendo owns it. Nope damn it I when you said it when you brought the list thing I was like, oh, what I should pick a franchise is not on the list just to kind of like spite you but Yeah, my mind's not on the list. So I mean, I don't actually want star tropics because I don't know. I didn't like star tropics Dude, I played through that game. It was a fever dream back. Yeah I mean me and my buddy We really got drunk and started playing it because we watched game where I'm playing like an episode of Back in the day and then they put it on Nintendo switch online and we tried it out And we were like what is happening in this game? And there's there's some like kind of Borderline not pc stuff in that game too. You're like, um, oh, okay. Sure. I guess that's what's happening here Is it a n64 one? No, it's a nest. It's oh Yeah, it's a whole old game. Yeah. Yeah It I mean, I remember playing the beginning. It's like you're exploring an island. Um, it's like an action adventure RPG for that time top-down perspective two dimensions But that's not what I want Nintendo to go back to. I don't I I don't like anybody. If there's a franchise that Nintendo probably will never dip back into. I think it's that one um Watch next next September directly announced like a star tropics remake In 3d, it'll be amazing. Actually, I'd be interested to see what they're gonna do But um, I'm gonna try and pick something that actually want like I really want Um, and the problem is that that, you know There's no way we're gonna get all of them. There's too many Um, but I'm gonna just take this opportunity to talk about something that Um, I think would be cool, right? Um, I think I want to let's say kid Icarus But that's supposedly getting well You don't know for sure because he seems like it seems like he's still begging for it I I I don't I don't think it's dead. I don't think it's like I don't think it's I don't I I don't think what he said confirms it more. No. No, no I I think I I don't think it's even started development after what he said Uh, well, that's a whole other conversation. Yeah, so I'm gonna Yeah, so anyways one, but uh, I'm just gonna I'm gonna pick a very very um obvious one star fox Uh, I think star fox would actually be something that would be great for Nintendo to go back to Now the the thing it's kind of interesting though because I think Kind of just considering what we were just talking about. I think it does make sense for Nintendo to Um, be considerate of the budget, right? So I I don't think they're gonna admit the next star fox game is gonna be a giant open world space adventure Which would be amazing, but that's just not realistic Uh, so I think it's gotta be something that's a bit smaller Um, but smaller doesn't mean bad because technically most star fox games are small, right? Right, like what if I mean you had the whole starling thing which was actually an open world like space exploration game Right, so I mean that would be cool, but uh, it's very simple But I think something that people would really love so it's going to bring back the typical arcade style Like that is there as a a you know, maybe a four to six hour campaign, but it has the split paths So it's very arcade like it's meant for replayability You'll find different things, but as you play and get different scores you can unlock Different things in the multiplayer mode and it would be a online multiplayer mode Maybe almost kind of like a Splatoon style format where you have a campaign and you have a multiplayer mode And this you know and you unlock things with a multiplayer mode and it's about Duking it out in space. It's it's it's our wing battles If they want to extend that to landmasters or something like that great Uh, maybe make it kind of like um, what's that start with that star wars game that series of star wars games where it's It's basically like just online like death matches um, yeah Squadron is it it's um I I know Oh, like the new one that was like a piloting one. No, no, no, no, no not not that one Now though that would be a cool That would be really cool Um, in terms of the umisaw game no EA once oh Oh, oh squadron star wars. Is it star wars? Yeah Right that one. Yeah. Yeah. Well, like what the point is is that you know, you have um multiplayer matches But actually actually I I think I'll I'll take that back the rogue squadron is really cool because that is like a It's literally a flight, right? But imagine multiplayer dogfights Just really focus on that make that fun And that's what it is, you know, if they kind of just use a Splatoon format But for star fox that's like literally was about to say go to the Splatoon Crazy Yeah, you know with like mario wonder it's doing something completely different from what to do mario is and then From what you guys have potentially possibly heard about donkey kong. It's doing something new that's never been done with donkey kong before I mean, we'll see we'll see the point is We don't know. It's like maybe it's being made. That's about all we Yeah, but my point is I want them to do without star fox because Like star fox 64 is one of my favorite games of all time I love that game so much But it also soured the other star fox experiences for me because it's just trying to emulate the same experience and not really Doing it as well. So I want something new. I think what you said like Focusing on the multiplayer is a good idea. But even adding some new elements to the single player making the branching paths even more of like a web of like No, no two playthroughs will be the same or something like that. I think that would be cool Yeah, I think I like you're saying the splatoon format. I mean like genuinely just make it like a battlefield thing and just have it like It could even be a first imagine a star fox first version shooter. That'd be wild Star fox battle royale There it is You hit the nail on that battle royale in space though like a Life service No, like a battle for the lilac system as a battle royale would be so freaking cool I'll stick with my with my original idea, but you know, yeah, it would be fun. So yeah I Was gonna go a wario land That was gonna be the one I wanted to come back. I I love the wario land game. I was a 3d one or no, that's no No, it's a side scrolling. That's the 2d one. Okay. Yeah, it's a side scrolling Yeah, there is the warrior world one. Um, yeah But I kept thinking as you guys are talking what what what does it say? Right, I can only bring back one and would that really be The one wario land. No, it's it's golden sun. Oh, yes Nintendo owns the IP. I double check I didn't triple check that Nintendo. They didn't develop it But it's camelot. Yeah, they owned the IP rights. And by the way, I don't want camelot going near A new golden sun. Yeah, just like I don't I'm kind of done with I'm doing sports games I'm completely honest. They were also the masterminds behind my favorite Mario sports games I want them to leave it alone now. Camelot needs to go to something else. Maybe maybe Maybe they're gonna give it a chance. I don't know. Are they they're not owned by Nintendo, right? They're not first party. No, they're like intelligence systems, which is like, yeah, they're like intelligence systems. They're not they're not big partners But the thing is Nintendo owns golden sun And I sat there and I'm like, okay. It's an RPG. It was very very good way back in the day Uh, some of the later games not as much and that's one of the reasons why the sales died off And then they killed the IP You bring it back You tell monoliths off it's time you keep xenoblade going but you take a crack at golden sun Oh, if they do golden sun like they did like zeno gears or zeno saga That's what I'm saying. They have the experience there with So I was like, yeah monolith knows turn based. Yeah, they know they don't they don't do it any right now But they have experience with it. It wouldn't it wouldn't take the manpower that you know There's zeno blade games and I guess they have many teams. They have a zelda team. They have a zelda team They have an 1820 style like that's if you want. I don't know just something man Yeah, because like a small monolith soft team can do golden sun and what would I have camelot do go work for somebody else I'm sorry. I've not enjoyed a camelot game for like I get excited because I'll give them this They nail the gameplay, but somebody else needs to nail the content. So yeah, I'm good if camelot just stops making games for Nintendo I'm sorry. I don't want people. Also next level is also I'm sold that down by every game they release. It's like, all right, which time Next level is also to sort of to blame for that with uh strikers. Well, they're strikers and I'm not happy with them on that either Yeah, strikers pretty much. So is it a problem or is it a nintendo problem? Is it a nintendo problem telling them? Hey, we don't want any of this stuff in this game? Which is I don't have a nintendo dictated nintendo my dictated timetable Not limit the games, but I don't know I don't know. You're just mario smart. You can't release mario golf and say we have an rpg They their own words Yeah, mario golf is bringing back the single player. It was not an rpg. Get out of here I Don't even care And they and they oh, I'm so I'm so sour by the game. They start off perfectly Everything's going good. You start off with an opening tournament You're like cool. You hear about the big the big league with the big boys like mario And you're like, oh, I can't wait till I get to go do that. You never get to do it You never play in another tournament again. Wild. That's like, how does it start out? Like the prior rpg mario tennis games and then end With a linear piece of crap minigame fest. What? Oh I don't get it. So Yeah It was bad It was a it was a glorified tutorial for multiplayer and I sat there like you You said rpg Not tutorial Oh, I'm so mad right now. I just want to point out Camelot's history since they started making games for nintendo because they used to make games for uh, mostly sega and Yeah, back in the day. But starting in 99. Um, they made mario golf for both, um n64 and game boy Then 2000 it was mario tennis Um, then 2001 it was mario golf again. Um, both of them here Ed but also golden sun. So they gave us a golden sun in 2001. Yeah, they did. Yeah, and then 2002, um They followed up with gold with golden sun lost age. So back to back, you know, good rpgs Then 2003 mario golf 2004 mario golf and mario power tennis Different platforms game q and gateway advance 2005 mario tennis again 2007 we love golf What? Yeah, that was like that. That was like the start of the doubtful. Yeah. Yeah. Um, then 2009 new play control mario power tennis It's just a remaster. Yep. Yeah, who took over who took over at camelot that because they had the potential Obviously, they made those well like them. Most of the team's probably gone at this point. So, you know, but 2010 though They came out with golden sun dark dawn and from if I remember correctly that underperformed Yeah, then people don't consider that as good as the older ones. Yeah. Um, but it was still, you know, a solid game from what I've heard Uh, it's okay. Yeah um 2012 mario tennis 2014 it's been mar it's been basically mario sports titles every two years. Um And that's all they've done. So like they're pretty much like this idea that they no longer make camelot like Camelot no longer makes other games They only made they've only made mario sports games for pretty much their entire time. Yeah, it's been it's been over a decade Since the last time they made something else But they've had a sprinkling of golden sun in the early 2000s and then they had one other lasted jeffer in 2010 um now considering the the gap between um 2010 and Today 2002 eight years. I mean, yeah, it's been a long it's it's an even longer gap now than the prior gap. So no, I don't know Um, I don't like the games they make now. So I don't want them touching it I think they have a better rpg team that can handle it I think they should just stick to being the basic and honestly I this is what kind of sucks. So maybe this is why monolith stuff doesn't want to do it They'd use a smaller team They make a badass game and it might outsell every zeno blade game and they might not like that considering that They do put they do put like those zeno blade games have like 150 people on it and they do not justify the sales for it But I I think Profitable aren't I I think They are just profitable. Yes. They've done like I think what happened is and I saw this in the interview Uh with the director of zeno blade 3 we mentioned Yeah, our games don't sell like some of other nintendo's ip But we are but the games are profitable And nintendo trusts us because we help with Where where did they say that? Yeah, it's in an interview. They did I gotta go find it. I think it was I would actually really Yeah, it was a really fascinating interview. We said they're profitable, but nintendo trusts us with all Yeah They help the zeal that they help they yeah Yeah From what I think of what takahashi has said is that he's very happy with how the series is going with sales Yeah, well it was shown an increase in sales were two And then even they're very proud of what happened with two and of course with three like I I do firmly think that three will be Yeah, give three a little time and let's see if it can get up there to two because I think it might pass it We'll see I hope controversy aside like three doesn't have the things that bogged down the experience with two Three is way better than two. I three is Arguably my favorite game on the switch. I mean, yeah, and the thing is With the new DLC future redeemed I think that also picked up a lot of sales as well And I think there was a reason like my friend was saying there's a reason Why they didn't go physical is because they want you to buy the game They want you to buy the actual game so you can get the dlc as well Because people who wanted to play a shulk wanted to play as rex They're gonna have to buy xenoblade three and then buy future redeemed as well like the digital version. Sure. Yeah, I mean I don't know how much of a difference that would never get the sales update on because they only ever update In a quarter. I have a prediction Yeah, I think it'd be wrong, but I'm just gonna it's why metroid dread hasn't been updated It's still not at three million sales It hasn't sold a million in the quarter in a long time. All right They just stopped selling metroid dread copies. Yeah, what's the thing? We won't get an update until they actually sell a million in a quarter and I just don't think dreads are gonna do that All right, everybody in chat right now. Everyone buy one copy of metroid dreads. So we can see it above three million So I believe monolith soft is still working on their new ip. Yes Yeah, and I think I think it's prepping for switch two. Oh, yeah, I think it's maybe a launch title A decade and I don't I don't know about launch title. Am I saying no, I just have no idea I think it's a fundamentally different game. I Have a friend who was saying that he doesn't believe that it exists anymore because a lot of those concepts might have been Uh, put into something like xeno blade three or even tears of the kingdom. He's like on their website though Yeah, I had this idea that monolith soft with it with this new ip was and by the way We don't really know but the details are so scant and they're so old at this point But I kind of feel like what they're doing with this game is they're aiming for a more western rpg feel Yes, yeah, and that's well beyond something they've ever done before and that's why it's taken so long But when it comes out I need this You guys I want another zelda. This could be like the next big rpg from the end. So we're on the same page So you also agreed this might be like a mova. This could be huge It's good. I think that's gonna be bigger than it's gonna be heavily promoted like it If they get it right and I don't know if they can because they've never made a game like that But that's why it's taken so long Well, I mean, I think a lot of it's gonna be based on xeno blade. It's just you know, like, uh, I think xeno blade x They can't make it like xeno blade You know what this game reminds me they might because that's what they're that's what they know If this new ip reminds me of atlas's new ip metaphor refentazio Like I don't know if you guys play atlas's persona games or anything But that game like their new ip persona Hey, what's it say down here losing subs is my game What i'm saying is atlas is combining smt and persona to make this new high fantasy ip And I think um monolith soft is doing something similar Bringing concepts from their other games to go into a high fantasy setting With potentially mmo multiplayer elements, which they wanted to add in xeno blade x Which were kind of there, but weren't fully realized. I think that's what's what this game is gonna be I think they're saving it for switch to for switch to so I don't know I'm hopeful. I'm hopeful that it exists because it looks really good The three images we've seen No, you're good um Speaking of things are switching saving for switch to uh metroid prime four Definitely going to be on that. I think that and whatever new 3d mario. Those are going to be your Your switch to launch tiles All right, all right. We're not to that topic. Let's let's let's move let's move me on Sorry, I'm getting ahead of the topic Mario time. Yeah. Yeah, basically we're just getting some quick thoughts in here The mario kart 8 deluxe wave 5 tracks characters release date, etc. They drop that today Uh coming out next week july 12th, which is my fiance's birthday. So that's kind of a nice surprise for her because she likes mario kart So that's gonna be kind of cool The new tracks are our koopa cat for mario kart. We we have los angeles laps from tour Moon view highway from the wee version. We have squeaky clean spring, which is their brand new track Athens dash from tour daisy cruiser from double dash Sunset wilds from super circuit and vancouver velocity from tour and obviously we know about the new characters They already know it's in burdo pd piranha wiggler and come back most so i'm coming back from old games so What what what what are we feeling we finally we brought the wave We brought the waves and the release dates and stuff up many many times in the podcast in the past We have a release date. We know what's in it. Obviously wave six is before the end of the year Are we feeling on this wave? This is good. It looks good. Um I I don't play mario kart as much as I used to but I finally have the expansion pass now so I can play these Um moon view highway being back is great I'm just happy to see vancouver velocity because I used to live in vancouver So i'm gonna go around there and be like, I remember this beautiful place in this place in this one But it's mario kart now. So that's really cool when I saw that in the trailer today. I was like Oh vancouver velocity. I lived there I anytime they bring a gamecube because double dash is my favorite part anytime they bring any of those maps. I'm like Hell yeah, dude So seeing daisy's cruise ship. Uh, you bring this joy to my heart. I I still I'm praying that that wario stadium makes it eventually. Yeah, it's a weird map. It's so fun That's like a popular fan favorite. I want dino dino jungle dino dino jungle Well, they brought they brought their back in the 3ds one. I think yeah dino dino and Those are fun. Yeah, keep the hope alive. Yeah, he came out and yeah, he came out and it's fun Yeah, those are two of them. Always amazing. Oh wallowigie stadium is fun as well We got that one. That one's already in there. Yeah. Okay. That one's in life. Yeah Yeah, it's beautiful. Cool. Yeah. Do you want the pinball one, right? Oh, no, there's two different ones Yeah, wallowigie pinball is ds and then wallowigie stadium both gamecubium We have both now. Yep. Yeah, so me me and my friends a group of my like streamer friends or other content creators We always do like every time a wave comes out. We just have like a big old like we just all hop into discord and just Sorry, uh, and just time to go. Yeah, it sounds like my nightmares Uh, no, we just we just play it and I'm just really excited I I always love when they announce a new wave because it's like, yeah, it's time to get the gang back together Let's do it. Let's go Yeah Yeah Yeah, like Obviously, you know, having all the old tracks back and looking better than never is always cool And and as someone who doesn't really play mario kart tour, you know, the tour tracks always feel like brand new tracks me too, um but like Sometimes they feel a little smaller than other mario kart tracks, but that's okay. They were originally designed for a phone So, um, they're pretty they're still pretty fun, but dude squeaky clean spring Looks so sick That looks I haven't looked into that one much I've stared at the gameplay so much that i'm doing things like why is there fabric softener in the bathroom Like I got questions on what these people are keeping in this bathroom right now because some of this stuff doesn't make sense Fabric softener is the laundry room not the bathroom. I'm confused. They could be touching What are they doing sprinkling it on the towels before you use Or maybe you're throwing you throw a little bit in the bath And they're not a hand wash family and they just do it right in the bathtub. I have no idea But like it it looks incredible And it just reminds me of like the the true creativity that this this team has Which just again makes you just more excited for whenever the hell they decide to finally make a new mario kart game with all new tracks I'm pretty sure I I'm gonna bet it's already made it just sitting somewhere I think it's yeah, wouldn't it be weird if it's like the squeaky cleanser that was from the new game They just yanked it over and they're just working on it. I mean the mario kart tour team is making these like they're making these and like That squeaky can is gonna be in torus. Well Yeah Well, that's how it's been that's how it's been every time. Yeah. Yeah with the new track come to mario kart This dlc is a very worthwhile purchase even though like even if I didn't get the expansion pass. Yeah Yeah, it's New racers. Yeah grace dlc all the time. I also like how it had the Item for a nintendo said uh custom items you can play in the game. That was a very nice improvement Yeah, because I I did a match with my friend once and it was just all blue shells all the items we use are blue shells Yeah, that's a fun man. Why don't we get old items or either even new items? That would be cool to get like maybe the last wave or I don't know just like bring back Like the super shrimp that just realized I need to run a mario kart eight deluxe tournament when this comes out Well, I gotta wait for it to actually be added to because you can't always do them day one in the tournaments But when they are Guys, we gotta have a blue shell only tournament. Yeah. Oh my gosh So Well, I'm kind of curious. It's gonna be berio kart So they added three big characters For this wave. Yeah leaving two more characters left if I'm not mistaken based on the slots Yeah, for the last wave so But what's interesting about this dlc is that they've given us more than they've promised, right? Like they've been the updates like with the with like the item customization the characters like these are new things that were unexpected They've even gone back to some of the older waves they released and up improved the visuals and things like that um So i'm just kind of curious right are they gonna go out with a bang And give us a little bit more than expected again, or are they just gonna do The last the last eight and two more characters, which is not bad I mean that's good But it is gonna be less than what this would be right or they're gonna do something I think it depends on what the characters are I mean, is there any Say that but like I I don't know when I play mark or I I'm always I always pick louis years old Well, yeah, everyone's got their favorite. Everyone's got their favorite That's after and I'm like, okay Based on the slots If there's only going to be two and they did four this time and the two have to be like massive But what would they what would they be something else that they're doing beyond character? What if they're revisiting what if they're revisiting the old old DLC when they added animal crossing in zelda? Yeah, like adding and they haven't done that in this DLC at all metroid and When they add a new franchise That would be one that's why there's only two because they're adding a new franchise in Yeah couple racetracks true That would be neat That's going back to the og mario karty. All right. What if what if they're gonna what they're gonna do They're gonna add captain falcon and not as an amoeba. Oh, yes Right and they'll pair this so this will be announced in september direct when they also announced the f0d Yeah, you just call my brand zero. Yeah. Yeah. Well, I mean, I mean, you know, like it's it's a That'll be a good marketing tactic I've heard it too from my own source and it's one of those things that Like I know Things Nintendo are just sitting on it's just I wonder if they're sitting on it for the next system at this point kind of thing Yeah, but they want it. They want to really perk up that year one to have a repeat of 2017 Well, I mean, they just all they have to do is announce the f0d gx remaster Right, like if they're going to use the captain falcon's cross promotion It doesn't have to be like immediate, you know, like we're gonna play mario kart So why will we play mario kart and just do at the same time? Like there's some crossover there, right? So but if you and if the gx remaster if it's truly being made by next level game I think it does imply it's more than just a basic remaster. It's gonna have a little bit more work done So it might have a little bit more of like a marketing cycle kind of like mario rpg So, you know, maybe there would be some cross promotion screen shots dropped today my rpg Today, I haven't seen today. Oh, yeah I mean, it looks like the old game, but then it also looks significantly better because the visuals have all been Yes, it's great. I've been avoiding that because I'd never played mario rpg the original one So I'm excited to play like I know it existed, but I'm excited to like try it off for the first time I know I've never played it, but I've seen it played and I was like, I don't get what the big deal is Then everyone tells me you Okay, you like thousand your door. Yeah, you like the mario luigi. Yeah, it's better than them all and I'm like Oh, I'm really missing out Yeah, it's like a proper 40 hour rpg too. It's not something you can kind of pick up and down like primari It's like it's gonna take you a minute to be Oh Yeah, that's what I've been told Having an old man moment for a moment. I know I got it. I got a He got another cross promotion idea always cooking. All right, so if it's not if it's not captain falcon for your gx remaster It's it's um, she not characters for the donkey kong game Diddy kong diddy kong cross promote announced a new movie diddy kong and funky kong or diddy kong and Dixie kong one of those combinations. That'd be cool That would be cool because they were in the mario movie doing mario stuff, right, right Yeah, and that might and that's and that's a brand new gk track. That'll be sick Yeah, yeah, I mean, oh that would be cool I love all the basic Chucking up bananas and shit It makes sense, right? I would make that would be sick and they don't even have to come in We don't even have to What if it's minecraft what if it's just a minecraft minecraft steam They make it a difficult track where we end up on minecraft tracks and we like have to jump to the right track And if you miss the jump, no, they got to carry you back up. Oh my god, that would be miserable I could do would be it. That'd be awesome though So those were the items like you just get oh, I made the jump you hit my shelf Or like if you missed it, maybe there's like water underneath, you know how like they do some things Yeah, you can just kind of keep going. Yeah. Yeah, they're a little nice about it. Like, oh, you messed up It's okay. We got your back. Yeah, it's like a more in-depth wario's gold mine Yeah That's a good idea. Yeah, and you can make it loop and do all the crazy stuff with the hover. Yeah, it'd be great It'd be awesome. All right. I guess there's time for the bonus topic It's to the bonus topic. I switch to it says switch to let me read the bonus habitat. It says switch to maybe lol Look, does anyone want to summarize the reason that we would talk switch to because I really don't I have some questions. I don't know the week. I mean I could do it if you want. Yeah, sure I I've done it like in like six videos in the last week. So I am So Oh, maybe not six Yeah, it wasn't six. I over exact. It was like three, but oh Sure. Yeah, um feel and feel free to add anything guys But um, there's been a few different things going on if we're just talking about this week We include last week. It's huge But if we're just talking about this week You can be both This is the last episode. I'll try and be quick, right? Some of these things. I mean and some of these things are legitimately I got banned by family boards Over my coverage. Let's go. That's a whole other thing. Um, but So just going back to last week, right? We had, um The ftc Case with microsoft, right on bobby codic one of the heads at activision He had to start talking about some of his conversations with nintendo And it came up, um, the power of switch two now in one quote, uh, it People were surmising that he was suggesting that it's in the realm of ps4. Um, that generation But then another quote says he doesn't actually have specs So it's kind of hard to really gauge what he was suggesting We can get into interpretation, but that was kind of basically that that kind of came up It might give us an idea of where switch two might be at which That's kind of what I was expecting, but that's a whole other conversation. Um, this is a little bit older, but we did have the The fairly recent thing where we heard about ubisoft being suggested by nintendo to hold off on sparks for the new console And just by a bit right suggesting that it's not that far off So we had those things from not too long ago then this week Um, we have, um, there's a few things, uh, tokyo game show This is a big this is actual like this is this is actual news Um, the tokyo game show nintendo is going to have a presence at tokyo game show But it's going to be a private event We're not gonna we're not going to see what what's in that private event. Uh, so that's Guys, what so they're at by the way, they're at tokyo game show every year I want to be clear. They're at tokyo game show with business meetings every year I'm just clarifying that it could be a bigger deal this year than most years But technically they have like they have like a like a they have a space on the floor, right? Yeah, it's no, it's not a it's not a floor. It's just business dealings. They have a meeting room, basically All right. Well, maybe maybe that was being overblown that What are they doing that could be what the meeting's about they're meeting with third party companies They do it every tokyo game show, but that's what i'm very confused about gamescom is happening next month and nintendo is there but What what is nintendo's history with gamescom like were they there last year the year before? Or like no everyone says 2019 was the last time they were there. Yep. They were there in 2019 They weren't I don't believe they weren't there in 2018. They're very inconsistent about games But for whatever reason nintendo seems to be Of wanting to have more of a stage presence this year. Okay. Um, I don't think it's because they're gonna Wonder I guess and mario rpg. But like yeah, I made a switch to hold on just one thing Just because I was like bring some up all the news. Yeah, there's more stuff There's at least one more big thing that needs to be addressed And it's actually it's actually non news, but it became news because of how much people talked about it So there was this image that was going around from the supposedly from the nintendo developer portal That not everyone can get access to you have to sign some nda's and stuff and say you're a developer But if you supposedly um, there's this image that was going around those showing Um, 3ds wiiu nintendo switch and nx2 as Potential options to get tools for development. Yeah Um, and this image was going around and for a little bit people were unsure if it was legitimate or not No developers were confirming one way or the other but most of us. It's fake. Yes. Yeah, I mean Yeah, if it has nx so to be clear You can make a free account and access the developer portal and you can go right You can literally inspect element and make that I know because I did it. I mean, it's I can I could photoshop that image like in five minutes. It's very one and one thing to add to that that we know It's fake is uh, nw player one two three Just goes by nicky now. Um, is a is a very famous data miner of nintendo stuff and actually leaked Things about the switch a month beforehand because the developer portal had an update and She datamined the update and found information on nx which as we all know it was unveiled a month later in october so and basically The big update from this week mostly came from her because mostly all the stuff this week was a bunch of nothing burgers There's a little but there's another um one, but yeah, but she She basically said one Whispers are picking up which means chatter Behind the scenes with developers like between companies is picking up on this Basically just reconformation that dev kits are are out there at this point. That's why the chatter is picking up and She heavily suggested based on what she's hearing It's just an informed opinion to be clear. This is an opinion. She didn't say it's going to happen Right, but she had a prior informed opinion that she thought things were pointing to it being unveiled in september And now with the chatter picking up. She's rethought it and said, you know what? Based on what i'm hearing it might actually be sooner than that And it's like that that's like the one big thing People are kind of pointing to you to be like, oh, is it still this year? Well, this person They are still stating an opinion But it is a more informed opinion than any of the rest of us have because we aren't privy to the chatter Yeah, so we got that which is yeah, that's a big deal. Um, and I mean that's kind of it Further cements the idea of dev kits too, but there was um chatter about dev kits last week as well Yeah, yeah, and there was just like reconformation of it this week, right? Yeah necrophilipe basically saying yeah There's dev kits in spain on the yeah on that note of necrophilipe to your point He did he does say I particularly believe this is a translation I particularly believe in the dev kit for the producer in spain Yeah, and I will not elaborate on this opinion for now implying that there's something he's holding Yeah, and he he went on the fami boards Um, and he and he said on the fami boards There are dev kits in spain and he's just kind of left it at that by the way Um, if you don't know who necrophilipe is works for university nintendo that support a brazilian Nintendo site they were talking about the nintendo direct that most people were doubting Yeah, like beforehand if you look at his his track record He only really ever talks when he knows stuff So yeah, yeah, yeah, I think he's got a contact at nintendo brazil, but That's not that you know there could be His information is too legit. He doesn't talk often, but when he does He's just he's just well known in certain circles. We'll leave it at that the announcement this year Because NW players the only person that seems to be like this year like even even Nate the hate came out to clarify. Oh, she's just stating an opinion my chatter saying 2024 Yeah, but then he's quick to clarify. Oh, but it's just my opinion. I don't really know So yeah, because like remember the tears of the kingdom stuff that we talked about and we got like flamed for it, but we're right Which which stuff there's a lot The packs the pack stuff Yeah, so yeah the packs stuff. Oh, right for the gameplay Right, so we were like, hey, so here's the king of news is coming this week and people are like, yeah You're you're lying screw you, but we weren't lying Yeah, but remember I literally said Tuesday and they're like you're a liar. I'm like, okay All right. See you on Tuesday, right? See you on Tuesday I'm like, I'm either about to end my career or oh, thanks. Right. And what the problem is plans can change, right? So that's why my career is about to end right. I double check with the sources. Like, you know, you're fine, but Yeah, don't say anything else. I'm like, okay My point is like if it Y'all niche quick, I know you want to talk I just want to just state this one thing the reason I brought that up right the reason I brought that up is because There are industry insiders But not every industry insider has the same inside information Right, like I remember when this Tuesday the kingdom talk came out They were contradictory saying hey, listen, the other insiders aren't saying anything So I think it's just fake just because one insider hasn't heard something doesn't mean it's It isn't they have different contacts Exactly. And one thing I know about a lot of the insiders Like nw player or like they even even uh, Nate the hate a lot of their their inside information isn't coming from nintendo It's third-party contacts and they all have different third-party contacts I'm done by the way. So I'm not gonna. Yeah No, my big like question is if it potentially is possibly potentially like Less than 30 chance and announced like this month or sometime in the summer When the heck is it gonna release what the heck is it gonna release with? Because we don't like is it gonna release with mario wonder because I think that's kind of Some of the speculation was that it would be if it was this year that mario wonder would be a dual release And was I'm like that's cool But that's not a great launch game But then it also depends on how you market it then there's some people that's think oh, it'll be a $500 system So it's like a premium and they're gonna keep the switch where it is now So they don't really care if it sells out this holiday because they're still gonna be selling switches And they'll just wait to drop a big game later than why are you releasing it now? And the only other thing that I that I that I can point to that kind of supports 2023 and again, we have Everything I just said is just people just speculating out their ass. Nobody really knows. Yeah, it's copium or hopium either way Yeah, I hate that. I hate the term, but it's true in some circumstances It's still the one other leak we had for that pokemon thing Right. Yeah, well, they're like I was working on a graphics update patch for a new switch And they kind of it didn't outright say it was coming out before the graphics update But we know that the update was supposedly part of a winter pokemon dlc, which yeah, that could be early next year But then like You get to march you're not really in winter anymore and like he never started It was coming out with the update it could have But it's just um He kind of saw my my take on that was it releases this holiday and this updates just for that Yeah, because a summer announcement For a spring release is a very big marketing like cycle big gap from Build on that point of the marketing I at least in recent so ever since metroid prime 4 I don't know at least in just recent pattern and trends. I knew this was coming out Yeah, they just do the like they do this. They've been doing this thing where they were they they only announce things The season before like this or the quarter before stuff comes out like it's what they're doing with the mario It's what they're with mario wonder. That's what they've done. I mean one sort Yeah, ever ever since covet. This is the kind of the trend that they've done right they they were they do Oh, we're gonna announce this thing like right before stuff comes out Or maybe like a few months before the season of the court What is the fiscal quarter? Before it comes out at least that's that's what I've noticed so I could definitely see like a september Uh announcement and then I mean, I don't know we get it winter, but we definitely get it sometime early spring Yeah, he's got the drink out that one's for me. That's not really super Wait, wait, so you think you think it's going to work. Oh, I gotta do two now. Okay. Yeah Are you saying that for you think for sure we're getting a switch to in spring? If i'm a gambling man, I think I put body down on it. Okay, this is total just my god So I don't know if you saw my theory, but my theory was that like Switched it's not it's not even a theory. I believe right. It just kind of makes sense Like the whole like they could come out with a switch to a metro prime 4 in march Like they could do that. Yeah, I mean I could see yeah prime 4 being the launch title I could see another 3d mario as well. Like if they drop that at some point. Yeah And then again, I think it's gonna be a ken to Like I was saying earlier a 3ds slash like dsi where it's just like a major upgrade. It's not and it's not necessarily Game white color separate. Yeah, it's like yeah kind of I mean they've done that like it's next gen But it's more but it is not necessarily next gen Yeah, and we've seen I mean when they try to do I mean we've seen that failure with the we you right but When they market it correctly But then they keep that install base because the we you when they try to go totally separate but keep that same branding It totally failed But when they if they do something similar where they keep that same install base and they're able to Transfer it over and market it as this is an upgrade rather than Uh, this is something brand, you know, whatever. I think it would I think it would do pretty well So but I definitely think I I could see it. I could see a spring release genuinely Yeah I still think spring is optimistic. It is. It's totally copium. It's 1000 percent copium, but I I mean the thing is, you know, I don't think it's impossible, right? Like I think I think Okay, I think 2023 is copium at this point Oh, yeah, and you know, you never know. Well, I'll say like 98 99 percent Right that you never really know, right? I'll give it to the end of this month Yeah, I'm giving that the thing is like what it it all hinges on what happens at gamescom I think because everyone's like they're coming to games. Um, something's happening at gamescom What what is here? Here's what I'm going to tell you. That's my Not too many games time that isn't announced beforehand. Okay okay, why and yeah, it doesn't make any sense to to push mario wonder with a Premium more powerful 4k capable system that makes no sense. It's it's the most random Another way you realize if they announce a new system, they will announce a big AAA game even if it's not coming out this year Oh, yeah, I mean, I totally agree with that and they could have some sort of proof of concept Like like me they could like they could shallow drop a zero gx or something. Watch them drop a zelda tech demo again We're insane. Holy crap guys. They're going hyper realistic again. This is going to be the greatest And it's just never happens and we get wind maker too. Yeah I love a wind maker too. I'll take that but yeah I think the next open world wind maker even more open world I think the next zelda has a good chance to look more realistic though. Yeah. Yeah, I think it does. I don't think they will I said Not realistic just just to be clear like it'll still be very And my I've thought this for a while After playing breath about tears of the kingdom that they're kind of pushing the envelope on what they can get away with and keep the rating I have I just don't know how much more realistic they can go than what they're doing That death scene isn't that death scene is intense It is but it's not like in your face the entire game like visuals are So like I mean, I I don't think realism equates to blood, gore and violence Because twilight princess was a little more realistic, you know And it was also rated t for teen the first rated t for teen game in the history. Yeah, but like that was also because of Some of the scenes they and not necessarily all it is realistic. So it was rated t I think twilight princess lent into like having darker themes darker moments and situations and cutscenes and scenarios and all that but I feel like we saw someone die In tears of the kingdom that I feel like that was a bit of a darker cutscene than anything in twilight princess Yeah, bro, but it's not even the death scene. It's the grieving scene. Yeah, yeah That gets even a breath of the wild when zelda's like in his arm crying like that's pretty intense Like that's like a deep sob Yeah, no that is Like I you know, it is interesting, right? Like you look at the story for breath violence. Here's the kingdom like there is more It's more it's the most mature Stories you've seen from zelda. Um, there's a lot more mature themes. I should say I would argue major's mask and twilight princess Have I don't know. I I I see where you're coming from though. But yeah, so Let me explain the I'm gonna say if we come right back Life is like a circle. It's all all these squares make a circle breath of the wild the tears of the kingdom um, the story Demonstrates more real Emotional suffering that people will feel at some point in their real life. Like what what zelda goes through mask Major's mask. There they go. There they go Major's mask is about struggle. It's about grief. I mean, yeah The entire game is is mulled off the site Like I can almost say that's not what it's about And that if you think that's what it's about you missed the point of the game So I'm about to find out the the literal guy who directed the game is like no He debunked that he threw me a quote. Get me a quote. I can't get you a quote. Get me a quote I I I'm awaiting I'm awaiting the xeno blade quote and the major's mask quote But no andress I see where you're coming from but I could say the same thing about major's mask I could say the major's mask doesn't more than breath of the wild in tears is the kingdom Major's mask is very dark. Um, it's I think it's one of the darkest games ever Yeah, like I don't know. I don't know. I think so You mean like a nintent dark as nintendo. Yeah nintendo and just like I was like ever Here you go. Any eldritch or I'll get that agianomical right now. Let's go. This is back on march 4th 2015 in an interview with game informer. Let's do it. Here's the full exchange Over says some fans speculate a major's mask is a metaphor for the stages of grief The town folks are in denial the moon falling the deku king is punishing the monkey out of anger The ghost is uh in the snow temple is bargaining for the return to the world of the living Lulu in the zora temple is battling with depression and the final temple could be considered acceptance as it wraps up Link's journey was this considered during development or is this just a fan interpretation? Agi al numa It's certainly true that each one of these different episodes you talked about has a different emotional cast to it One feels like it's tinderous sadness and another with anger that certainly was intentional But I also want to point out That it's not that each one of those episodes only has that single emotion They are conveying they are certainly other notes We're trying to hit as well and the reason we did this is to allow the player to experience that emotion To give them a chance to look into the emotional scene and react to it the way of the game as a result Link is not dead Yeah, I I I don't agree that link is dead We're not talking about that. No, but the but the five stages of grief, okay I could speak on this directly because my website's old informer created the theory We created the theory the five stages of grief is based on link being dead. No No, no, but I I don't That's not going through the stage by stage The five stages of grief are about terminal is grief. It's not links grief. It's not anyone else's So that's that's my my theory. Here we go. This is gonna go round and round You heard it from himself. It's very he said that that's not it. That's not the only emotional tone in each area But I don't think it has anything to do. He mentioned sadness and anger is intentional But that was the only ones he said were emotional Listen, but this is this is not about link being dead, right? Yeah, my theory Right is that the grieving If there is that Is related to navi die Navi dies at the end of ocarina time. He's searching for a friend that he can't find Navi I don't think navi. I So do you think that terminal's grief is a reflection of how link is feeling? That's the theory. Okay, because I always just thought that terminal itself is grieving terminal She's not necessarily dead. It could just be not only that It's the skull kids grieving too. The skull kid lost his friends The skull kids friends were the giants and the giants were like, hey, we got to protect terminal And he's like I lost my friends. I'm gonna do this and then the skull kids grief is Like symbolized by what's happening to her and yeah, I think you see that like And the the quotes at the end with the moon children really kind of explained that a lot more. So That's here's another thing I'll bring up, right? Even if they didn't specifically designed to Perfectly demonstrate the five stages of the grief What's great about the five stages of the grief is that they can be observed Um in real life Yeah And in stories all the time the same that happens naturally when you're naturally Depicting suffering and grieving these different stages happen naturally, right? So and it may not it's not a set order. It can happen in whatever order Right. So yeah It always ends with acceptance though. So we're on this. We're on the same page. Yeah It may just be something that happens naturally when you're just you know showcasing grief in the story Yeah, yeah I'm trying to get He said he said more on this and I'm trying to get it but the game informer links broken because of course, that's an old article Yeah, so they changed their thing and then I was like, oh, here's the zealot inform ways. Zealot informer doesn't exist anymore So I'm trying to like get with someone who actually because he said more on it specifically that if people thought that that was what was going on I My recollection because I was the one that reported on the damn thing at zealot informer was that my recollection was he said Something like if that if you think each of those areas Is the five stages of grief then you're actually missing out on the our intended Emotionals of motions of those areas and you're missing other aspects. Okay, which is which is cool. Um, but my my my whole thing is With that with that theory and again, I was one of the people that helped edit and publish that theory Back and that's why I mentioned it's it's related link is that because that's what started it with the link is that theory That he's going through the five But regardless, it's Yeah, the math path theory was we're not talking about the math path theory is completely played dry from zealot informer I don't want to get into that. He stole everything from us and gave us no credit I'm not even I'm not even shitting you you can go look at publication dates We published it three years before his video and he gave us zero credit And everything he references our direct sources in the video or in our article So I don't want to get you don't think it was a similar by the way I like map hat in general, but I'm just saying He is not very willing when he makes mistakes like that to fess up to it He just moves on because he was a bigger deal at the time than our website was But anyways, that's besides the point I don't want to get into the credit on that by the way. I wasn't the one who wrote it So I'm not the you think I'm furious. Imagine what the author is. He's always been really mad about that one um So I I'm But that but that's what it was all based on was that link is that but it really doesn't matter who's dead The point what the the general point was that you go through the class stages, right? I I do See where you're coming from though Andres that Brother while tears of the kingdom show grief in a moral like a real Kind of sense than other results. It's just kind of the direction of the series Like majority ass is kind of like an offshoot and it's definitely like a very dark game There's so many crazy. I mean, you're totally right, right? Yeah But it is just like the breath of water and tears of the kingdom show like more realistic tangible Even scarred sword even scarred sword does that too? Like very emotional scenes that happen in scarred sword. Yeah. Yeah, but yeah, yeah I mean like for example, um, what's his name in skyward? So I know he's based off the owl, but is it good for oh gay poor? Yeah, master Gimpura. Yeah, like like you see hit his kind of like emotional struggle from losing his daughter, right? Like that is a very realistic Like suffering, right? So, I mean, yeah, I think this is all the series has been kind of moving in that direction But obviously there have been games that have Abdom flowed, right? No, so yeah. Yeah Anyway, yeah, switch to Turbo graphics about that damn Blast processing I have a question about I I have a question especially like ask away to andreis when I saw your podcast on monday and you were talking about the tsa leak Like where did that come from? Oh, I tried to look for it online. I couldn't find it like I I'm just curious how that how you figured that out And like where I I that wasn't even I was just mentioning that in passing because I Haven't even done research on that. I think um I saw I think I saw a lot on switch for so you have to ask ask him But the my basic understanding of it just basically just me from remembering that right like it was just Um, someone supposedly saw a dev kit. I mean we could probably google it Um a dev kit in a tsa line. Yeah, that's crazy. Well, they pull them to the side And they saw the controller With with with the scrolling show I mean wild He's like, oh, so you get to do this at no cost And then people didn't like there was no way to really prove if what he was saying is true or not But supposedly he shared image of his tsa badge, which still doesn't prove anything just proves he works at tsa Um, you know, so yeah Yeah, my my my my whole thing was and every background check you can do on 4chan Which is it's very limited like hashtags and all this looked like it lined up that it was the same person posted The tsa badge information But people thought was kind of weird like why would he put this public information out there? You can now identify exactly who he is what airporty works at yada yada yada true But also apparently it's not a tsa violation So I guess it really doesn't matter and he wasn't under nda So it's not like he can get in trouble for it from nintendo But what I found interesting was if if any of that was true Because like my my whole thing is why would I if I made up a story? Okay, I just completely made something i'm putting on 4chan, which anyone can do Why would I be so effect because he acted offended that people then believed you were to the tsa and that's why he provided the credentials It's almost like this actually happened. I'm so tired of everyone saying bullshit Let me show you what I can show because I couldn't take a damn picture of it and prove that I actually am who I say I am It makes me wonder if like maybe there was some truth to it But also does it really mean anything like some people said well? Why would why would nintendo go through a normal airport with with with one of these things? I'm like They're just It's an international flight. They're just going to the next destination to drop off dev kits in person Like that's totally for unreleased consoles. It actually is common to drop off dev kits in person. So it it's And and people conflating that oh, it was a screen. No, he specifically said it was a box Yes, that's what dev kits are. They're a box Like the dev kit for switch was a box. It wasn't a screen Like that's that's what dev kits are the interesting part was obviously the only interesting part of that was By the way, the only interesting part if any of it was true It was just the fact that on the shoulder buttons with scroll wheels Like that was that was it that was the only interesting part of the whole thing And people can trace that back to an old nx patent that they're a patent. Yeah So like it's not even a new idea. So would nintendo revisit it. I don't know I could see the the only thing I'm only to say is when I look at this switch today And you look at the the shoulder buttons. You got the normal you have the normal here But then you got this thin one You know this thin one being a scroll wheel doesn't sound that crazy to me I was trying to I was trying to talk about that my podcast on on monday No one's always vibing me you get it Easily be scrolled like look at this it's it's already perfectly designed for me to scroll I agree and like Why can't they be scroll wheels as long as you don't make it off of me? And maybe that's the innovation and if that's the innovation It's pretty much exactly what we have now with just an extra scroll functionality Which is awesome. Imagine imagine a new zelda game That's how we change weapons scroll wheel That's true. There's a lot of modern games where it's where you press a button and then you flip through a giant menu Rolling you could replace that you could scroll the weapons. Oh, that would be great if it's not like a fluid Um wheel It's like a weapon wheel like like like notches almost. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Someone else has had that It's like a yeah mouse wheel. It's like a mouse wheel. It feels like a mouse wheel Yeah, you can unlock and lock ones. Um, yep, exactly Yeah, like what if you can get all this clicks and then if I press this button, it's smooth But yeah, it's pretty scroll the most why you'd want it to click if you're using it for controllers. So like I mean I would call it a It makes sense. Yeah But it's something that makes sense. Sure. Yeah, and I think you know, you're not getting rid of the button press It's still there. You can still press a button. It's just getting more options. And I think options are great And these little tiny things are so shitty. Anyways, give me the option. Why not? Sure. And while you're at it, maybe force feedback um Yeah, especially especially on the triggers. Yeah force feedback analog triggers. Um, but obviously give me hall sensing sticks, please An audio jack Come on. I don't know if they're gonna do that. Oh, come on. But that that's like that is such You just make the head just make the headphone port a dual port Yeah, that's all you gotta really do They they used to do that back in the day just bring it back. What do you mean by when are you in my dual port? I don't understand So they used to so so a headphone jacks back in the day used to be dual audio jacks So you could plug in one plug and use a microphone and and uh, let's use a headset Okay, I don't one plug or you can just use the mic or you can just use a headset. Oh the arse only does headsets Well, the problem is like, you know, like But it used to be switch. It's on the switch. You can't you don't your broker doesn't have that So you have to plug into the the switch. Yeah, it doesn't make any sense. You're playing It doesn't it doesn't it makes sense. It makes sense that they don't put it on like fine You don't want to put it on the joy cons. I mean, I argue you can get rid of the irk camera and put it down there But whatever fine But when I am in dot mode and I decide to buy an official nintendo pro controller It should have an audio. That's what i'm saying That's all that's what i'm saying. Um, you know that All right, at least have like a nintendo branded bluetooth headset. Yeah. Yeah Kind of like it was the dsi. Well, it wasn't bluetooth, but Or was it I think it might have been bluetooth. It was like a Dongle it was like you plug thing something into the headphone jack and then that adapter was a was bluetooth Something like that and there is um, there are patents for like um spatial audio. Um better spatial audio rendering. Um Instead nintendo has so they they might have like even more reason to like have proper headset support sure Absolutely Yeah, very well very well could yeah I guess one one point to make to just just say regarding this whole all this all this switch to stuff, right? Going back to the developer portal of that image that we we know it's fake now Because people who do have access to it can have confirmed that it doesn't exist Um It it would that goes to show is cool. Yeah, what it goes to show is there are people out there creating fake leaks now That's that's the tip. That's where we're in. Yeah So that whole tsa thing Um, it could just be a guy who works with tsa who just want to get some clout And maybe got mad when he realized that people aren't just going to bleed unblindly Like in fact that happened with the invest was release stage It happened just like in the very beginning of the year like people were like Oh advance was going to get shadow dropped right after the director something But now Yeah Yeah In like 2016 before the announcement we saw like different controllers like that glass like ovular controller You guys remember that? Oh my god. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That was that was a nightmare. You're starting to make my my dreams Get a little interesting tonight. I'm not sure You don't want this. Look, I'm going to be sleeping and scroll wheels are going to be in my head Oh scroll wheels. Yes, but not the oval screen No, I Bring it back Be the pro plus controller. Maybe you're wrong You're just wrong. I think we've never used a prototype that existed at one point. We never used Yeah, I I think if they have a gimmick something like that would be nice, but I I still want I still want to hybrid. I still want to like Flip it off the dock and like hold it in my hand. Like yeah, the switch is glitched in general I I want to I want to hybrid. I can't see them going away from the hybrid concept. No, I can't Yeah They own the market for like, yeah It's a pc devices are trying to do it and guess what they're still not selling that great. They still can't Yeah, like they're doing fine. They're they're like steam decks doing enough to still exist and that's cool Yeah, we're in 125 million like there's just the nintendo has the market You want to know how nintendo can guarantee that they're not going to fail with next gen? By just with you Fall even even if even if they did that, they'll be more successful than we you exactly That's a little more I think I think the main reason nintendo is so successful now Is because they have unified their gaming divisions and they're no longer spreading themselves too thin Yeah, now they have consistent releases. It's all in one platform Yeah, and that and facilitated the hybrid switch So as long as they continue being a hybrid system which adds more value to the games because they're the home console experience with poor but at the same time And that all they just have a consistent lineup of games I think they're always going to do well. Are they going to be do as well a switch? I don't know, but they're always going to be fine. There's never I want nintendo to get to a point that every gen is 100 mil That would be amazing. That's playstation. Right. I mean and I think I think consistency meat expectations You don't like playstation doesn't always do wild things nintendo felt like they had to for a long time except now nintendo You found a market. That's basically just you That market hasn't gone anywhere Keep serving the market and you can continue just listen. What does the market want? Okay? It's not really that hard We want better controllers More powerful hardware somehow make it 400 or less Cool keep bringing the games Somehow we're able to now we now we can get playstation 5 exclusives downboard it cool We're good. Like it's not kind like the other path is so obvious And I know nintendo doesn't like to just go oh more power. We got to have some big gaming Fine. Maybe the most screw wheels are you giving? I don't know. You don't need that big of a gimmick this time Like just do what you're already doing but make it better The console itself is still just like the hybrid thing is just such a powerful gimmick that it It literally could last for ever or for as long as you basically caught on to the iphone Yeah, you don't just stop like come on. Yeah, exactly Just iterate making it better Absolutely, um, I would say the fact that we have these scenarios where Games come out and they sell 10 million in three days Or or they can have multiple games that they published and made in a year sell 20 plus million I think that goes to show that nintendo is at a level right now like the brand Awareness is so strong That the movies the movies the mario movie like in parks Yeah, it just kind of feels like they have this huge like ball of moment everything's going their way It's it's kind of like you don't want this screw up. It's fine because as long as they keep going It's gonna be fine So, yeah, I mean, I'm not really worried just people use people use that sometimes to say oh Well, that's why they want to extend switch as long as they can because they don't know for sure I'm like no you show confidence you show confidence You you need to be a confident nintendo We are on top of the world and we're not afraid to give you the new because we know it's time You don't care. Oh, yeah, we just sold 10. You're right. Oh, it was the best selling june ever in You're right. You have some momentum The best selling june on record for switch in japan cool You have momentum and yet you're still predicting, you know, 15 million or less this year next year will probably be 10 million or less Yeah, you know, you're on the downtrend It's time be confident people have a fervor for our games Cool, they also have a fervor for hardware. They're just waiting for the new one Drop the new one Still don't drop support for switch. Don't be stupid. No support for like support Getting out those sales, but also you can get the new device out show confidence in that device Show confidence in your brand and I think I think there I am confident that furukawa knows this because he's a businessman And can read a room Yeah, he's not he's not a creative like awada was where Awada couldn't always read the room because he always wanted to create And I don't think furukawa cares as much about creation. He cares more about hey We are on top of the world Why are we stopping? Why are we oh, miyamoto's got this crazy concept where we put our hands in these gloves and they have like these You know every time we move our joint. There's like a different button hit. Okay. That's cool Also, how about no How about we release that as like an add-on like lago lago? Yeah It's an add-on. It's not the selling point. Come on And then the title did a lot of really great innovations. Thanks to the The way the joy cons work like the ntendo lago ring fit adventure like those are some really even AR a little bit like maricard home circuit Yeah, yeah, that's fantastic. That is the neat way of them doing that And you could argue like the things they did during this generation are more innovative than before in various ways Not just with crazy like controller stuff But also a lot of that was like optional and it wasn't the selling point It was like, hey, we can do this on top But we're not forcing that to be why people buy and it's awesome that way But example, some people think oh the next step is VR. That's fine. Let's say they do a full VR thing And they and and it's and it's a tablet the slides in but it's got it's got the right screen at the right refresh rate with the right power cool That's not bundled in this isn't xbox connect. It is not the selling point of the system It is a thing you release a couple years in and you see if people are interested Yeah Do you think there's a possibility they don't need to be successful for playstation Do you think there's a possibility that switch Two doesn't release until 2025 because I think that's really really really pushing it I think From switch force over there bringing up 20 There are others that feel that way. Yeah, I I think holiday It's a growing contingent of people that think they're gonna milk this system till it's dead So this is what I think I think every year that passes you have people that are just gonna say I think it's at coming out another year later like there are people that just won't believe something's gonna happen until it happens Um, and I think first look at the switch pro chatter. Look at the switch pro chatter. It didn't happen Well, I mean that's a whole other thing, but I think some people just don't want to be disappointed So it's it's safer to just wait and be surprised like some people don't like to speculate I don't know why they click on the videos that are speculation, but you know Yeah Well, I think some of that that's a social media We we we respond to things we hate Because deep down we sometimes find a little fun in it Yeah, I'm not gonna lie. There's some mba chatter that happens on twitter I sometimes respond to I shouldn't just because I think it's kind of fun nasty man. Yeah, it gets really nasty with the Those boston fans Boston right now blowing through some massive changes at the moment with grant will you're with a smart off out Chris stop is doing this in and then like like I saw a comment today where some boston fan was talking about oh, dude Chris does this things is gonna he's gonna destroy yonis. He's the yonis stopper and then It was like yonis Muse, you know what part of stab use that was what's up? By the way, yonis averages 40 against chris stop in his career And I'm sitting there like who cares I just sat there I literally responded to the yonis because I'm like, you know, I know this is all in good fun But who really gives a shit? We got to get to the eastern conference finals before we worry about boston, right? You want right now? We can't even get past the heat. So that's not Yeah, he might be getting dame. So look, let's just worry about what we got to worry Granted, I think with dame you're not gonna be an eight seed. So maybe we don't gotta worry about that I think the ac was a whole outlier though. We're just injured all year. Yeah. Oh, it was totally an outlier Totally about there. Yeah But anyway, it wasn't a fair matchup for you guys. I mean, you know, it's just you guys got injured You got you play a fake a seed We got injured and then our coach's brother died in the middle of the series I wasn't That we didn't know till after but explains why bub wasn't calling timeouts. He just wasn't even into the game I hope we don't play each other in the first round again. I rather has play in the conference finals Because every every year it's we either like bounce you or you bounce us like it's been back and forth the last like Yeah, and it's funny because whoever wins goes to the finals Or when it comes to well actually technically whoever eliminates milwaukee always ends up in the Always ends in the finals in the east the last five. Are we good or Milwaukee goes? Yeah, you're back. You're back. I see All right, we use it as bucks fans to be like my Mba runs through Milwaukee because you have to beat us to get to the finals. But yeah, but when it's in round one I mean, I don't know if you can really see Yeah, but then it happened again the heat went to the finals and they got a little bit embarrassed, but That's okay. Yeah, I did that to everyone the whole postseason run. They just thanked everyone Yeah, they were the golden state warriors. They just spanked everyone. It was even They swept the Lakers, right? So that's a nintendo podcast guys. Yeah, anderson. I sometimes get in a little mba tangents By the way, once the mba chatter came up, I want to know we increased by 10 viewers. That's right Point now. I'm just giving the people what they want We go down and then when we went on the zelda tangent and went back Yeah, yeah, yeah, if if if if the main topic today would have been Let's talk about what the next big zelda game is going to be We would have like 250 people here because everyone's ready to have that conversation that beats here Even though we're a month after the game But they're just ready. They want to know like what where do you go from here? I'm like, I don't know I can't have that conversation till I get to the end. So that's why it hasn't happened yet Yeah, I I do want to say about switch 2 The reason I don't want it in 2025 Is because the gap between switch games And current generation games then like playstation 5 pc xbox series x Games that are playable on the steam deck. It's going to be such a big massive gap That it's I mean switch games are still going to be good and nintendo games are always good always fun 2025 is going to create such a massive gap between nintendo and everything else And again nintendo doesn't compete nintendo doesn't care about everyone else or anyone else, but It's it's going to feel very weird playing a game on ps5 and then coming back They might start caring that that microsoft deal goes through. Yeah, and like I don't care about Graphics, I don't care about frame rates, but I do when I mean I care I care to an extent I always I clearly like visuals If you could give me this in my hand with 4k 120 fps maxed out settings on all games Dude, that's sick, but also it's not going to be $400. It's going to be like two grand With some oven it gives your hands will burn off. Yeah. Yeah two grand It'll be three times as thick as this because the heat sink alone is going to be like this Like yeah, it's just not feasible technology. You know how like um karemann have like those um like Suits to help them hold all that weight. Yeah, that's what you'll need to play Yeah, yeah, oh my gosh, this is still around in 2025. I'll still play games on it I'll still enjoy because like they're gonna be good. They'll still be around. Yeah I don't even know if it's still selling till 2027 if there's no skits too at that point because like The the gap is still big And I I think it's just a little silly to I think what's sick about this next system Is there's a lot of speculation around the t239 and orin and all these possibilities And it kind of sounds like based on the power profiles of what we know from the Nvidia leak That we can get something as powerful as a steam deck, which what's one of the big things with the steam deck is it's kind of bulky All right, it's kind of bulky. It's got a really big heat sink It's it's kind of bulky because it in loud. Yeah, because dealing with all that heat Well, apparently this can do even better efficiency than that and they could literally end up with the exact same form factor switch today Is it because what it says powerful as a steam deck and that that that to me is it AI being able to keep Throw an AI upscaling. Yeah So like that's the thing is if they can keep it sleek Which I think is part of the appeal of switches that it's a sleek device. It's not small It's not necessarily meant to be put in your pocket even though for some people it can be But it's a slick looking device. It feels like something you really need to take with you now It's not. Yeah, when you put a grip on like this, it gets bulky, but again It's pretty easy to put a little bag or a little case. It's it's easy to throw in a backpack or even a purse or whatever Look when you take off the joy cons, it's not that much bigger than a normal tablet in terms of thickness So if they can keep the same thickness And even same screen size like the screen size is fine But they get that extra power that's a steam deck, but at that size I think that's a key. That's a key to success steam deck is Plenty powerful enough. It gets all the third-party games all there's not like a single one that doesn't run on steam deck It's all even the ones that are only on new gen and it still runs on steam deck And what is steam deck steam deck is as powerful slightly better than a playstation 4 Yeah, and that's what using amd's technology Which isn't technically mobile technology. Yeah, what invidio is making is So with arm and invidio's gpus I think they could pull it off and that to me is the big key to hey We're not we're not giving you a device that fundamentally looks significantly different than than the the nintendo switch Outside of there'll be something controllers or something will look different Um to have it have a bit more distinct looked on the box and just here's a screen with joy cons again, but I I truly think That nintendo is is going to differentiate it in the way they differentiate the olad remember when the olad came out and the box looks so different Everything that's what they do this time. It'll just be so obvious. The box will be completely different It'll be very obvious branding. It might not be switched to Even the v2 switch. They'll literally put 4k on the damn box Like playstation 5 put 8k on the box, which isn't actually a realistic more comfortable controllers Yeah, and they'll just be like, you know You know today's games or like they'll be maybe even a catchphrase on there or something You know, it'd be insane if it's gonna be just that's all they do This would be this would be an incredible sell. I think so first off for for those worried about the whole ps4 level thing or Steam deck Yeah It will be around that power in terms of raw output But if you count for new hardware and AI upscaling the games are going to look and run better Oh, yeah, it'll be more it'll be more modern architecture. Like I don't see it's like steam deck was built with impressive Yes, but the technology is at this point two three years old This technology is not two three. This is still cutting edge. Like we're not even out yet technology So while it wouldn't be as powerful as say a ps4 pro or an xbox I forget what xbox one x or something It's not going to be that powerful But it is it may feel like an in between because of how efficient it is Yeah, and with the dlss on top you get start to be like, okay It's more comparable to a series s and that gets everything. It'll get everything. Yeah I mean relative to whether companies decide it'll it'll be comparable and the power won't be an excuse to not have a third party game Yeah, it'll be that's it might be 30 fps again, but it won't be an excuse to not happen Yeah, exactly So but imagine this right so imagine they they tout this level of visual fidelity Uh, it's more ergonomic. It has these new controller enhancements. So they're going to pivot as like a premium at first probably Yeah, that's why it's like it could be a $400 device, but also also imagine they tout better battery life That's I know it's a tall ask The old batter life is wild Fantastic if it goes so good if they have the same battery life as which old led Yeah, they can even maintain the same battery life with that increase in power. That's such a big selling point Yeah, one of the knocks on steam deck is that you only get like 90 minutes Yeah, especially if you're playing something like you get three hours now four hours Yeah, I mean, I see yeah, I I sat on a six hour flight to Seattle for playing tears of the kingdom and my switch died at the very end of it I mean, that's pretty freaking good. I think I've got through the entire flight playing the the beefiest game the system has That battery life up there. Yeah So and and you're on a o-letter and then when you talk by the way, all this performance people are talking about is mostly in handheld When you talk the damn thing it's getting no it's going to be higher clocks like yeah, oh man Right, that's all yeah. Yeah. Yeah It makes a big difference Yeah, and it would be sick if they decided to future prove this one where they enabled the usbc port to actually Potentially go back to that idea of the external computing device was like, hey, maybe we do a problem around later It's just a new dark Yeah, that would be cool actually having a better gpu in the new dark Yeah, like you have the handheld mode and it could be like even the handheld mode could operate at like OLED capacity or something but when you dock it I swear though it's been up, you know, really what i'm afraid of fun stuff. What's up, nintendo nintendo What we're talking about is still going to be pretty expensive This is going to be at least 400 and I sat there and i'm like, okay nintendo's got to cut costs, right? They got to cut costs at you know, wherever they can at launch try to make it profitable There's something that tells me they're going to go away from the OLED screen and that's going to be another mid-gen upgrade If they're going to go back to lcd because it's just cheaper Yeah, yeah, they also could no kind of suck they could save set 1080p as the upgrade and still to OLED But then that affects battery life because like steam doesn't have an OLED screen So like to make the switch differentiate itself from like a steam deck I think an OLED screen would be a nice selling point I don't know Yeah, it would worry about that later. I just want Look nintendo, I know it's not coming this year. I shouldn't say that. I'm pretty confident. It's not coming this year I've been t 2024 for a while. It should be the biggest odds on this stuff But if it's coming this year, there probably is Yeah, there probably is somewhere Um, all I'm gonna say is if it's coming this year, just show me the damn thing Because I want to speculate on something tangible. You show me something tangible We can have a real conversation on all the possibilities because one thing we do know when nintendo shows us They tell an ejection for specs. They never do it. They never tell us specs. It doesn't happen We get the specs when people tear the damn thing down and tell us we might get 4k Yeah, they might say 4k. They might maybe might mention But they don't really If you think about it like there's fsr in some games and they don't really talk about the fsr We just find out on our own. They may mention system memory. They'll be like, oh, there's 64 gigabytes of flash memory Yeah, they might mention. Yeah, they might mention some of the storage Yeah, they might but they might bring that up because they think that's a selling and by the way, it's not going to be impressive Watch watch. Yeah, watch it be. Oh, there's still only 32 gigabytes Which I would just be pissed but then they go especially since they've already given us more of the old They're like what the hell? But then they go but we we have dual micro sd I'm like I'm good. I'm good now. Holy shit. I'm gonna go buy some cheap one terabytes right now. I got two terabytes at launch. Let's let's go But that that's a dream scenario. By the way, it's not dude. I have my my camera has dual Like like, you know Sim card slot or my or micro sd card slots like let's go we can it's it exists when nintendo does it Nintendo doesn't have steam deck doesn't have this No, they have two usbc ports. Oh, you thought two was impressive, but we have two now Wait, what top and the bottom we like to give options. This is the options console Yeah, nintendo give options. So we're going to get xbox game pass. No No, let me don't give those kind of options. Hey, did you upgrade the e-shop? No, it's the exact same e-shop Can you under? Nintendo too much Yeah, really, I mean, hey, if it's the exact same e-shop, then I'm very confident we have back There's a one positive No, we didn't overhaul anything and by the way, we've all this power in the e-shop still lags Have a good day Then we find out the e-shop hasn't been running locally at all this whole time It's all on their servers and that's why it lags. They're just streaming the e-shop into us And I'd be like are you It's all remote That's why it's laggy because it's literally an internet interface over a server. Oh my Whoa, you just download the data in what are we doing? All right, nintendo, that's okay. Hey, you know what? I can't complain too much all steam it all all steam is this day is just chrome Those are no no you can't even Literally just a chrome browser It starts the exact same name as something on steam and you won't find it, but then you put it in google chrome It'll come up. It's it's so it's so rear. It's so weird. I don't What makes it weirder is they rebuilt steam to literally it's a chromium browser. That's all your that's all steam is now It's literally built. It's just built on chrome and yet the search is worse than chrome and I don't get it Yeah, I don't get it. It's weird I don't know. Maybe maybe there's probably some logistics or technical reasons or something that'll break things as a node So we talk about steam For some reason we'll have five viewers All right guys, well, I think that's gonna do it uh for the podcast tonight Uh, thank you to all the people uh, who's super chat. I'll just give a quick shout out maybe Oh, yeah, we I have a way to do that now. Sorry Quick shot or a quick shot taker I mean, hey if another super chat slips in that's another shot As I'm already here. I mean taker 610. I get sooner 84 samuel a twice as well Thank you guys for your Contributions to the show. Hopefully we address some of your guys's questions We usually don't address specific questions unless it's bringing up a point that we really want to address We did we did happen to address a couple of them just through the natural conversation But uh, you guys are awesome. Uh, what we'll do is we'll go around the table You guys can advertise your stuff what you got coming up and uh, yeah, we'll get it signed out here Let's start with our new guy flam me Oh, jeez here we go another shot for yourself. Yeah, the professional Nintendo simp Yeah, I'm so professional. I put professional in quotes. Yeah So, uh, yes, as I said at the beginning of the podcast, uh, I'm a variety streamer. You guys can follow me I'm primarily on twitch twitch.tv slash flam Uh, I like to do lots of game shows so not this week because I'm gonna go gonna go out of town, but uh next week I'm doing I do a series called flam versus where I take me and another streamer and we do a We have like a 1v1 with seven different games and Loser gets punished. Uh, and then this other series that I've been doing called the mario party flam towards Basically a giant mario party tournament with 16 different streamers and every time they lose of any game We got to make them do some silly ranges from Putting an egg on their head taking shots of alcohol, but they can also win things like an Elgato stream deck So if it's it's it's a time. Yeah, and the very last thing is, uh, We're gonna do it in person. It's gonna be fun So, but uh, if you follow anything though for me tonight follow my podcast the boosted few podcasts It's a nintendo podcast. We like to review new games that come out But also go back through series and look at their look at old games and give them a retrospective review An episode comes out tomorrow on legend of zelda twilight princess. So That sounds like your your cup of tea should be out around 2 p.m EST and uh, yeah, it's it's got a it's also got a guest episode on person on there And yeah, that's that's my stuff, but yeah, go follow the boosted you podcast Oh, yeah, let's go over to address we start what you got going on bud. Um, lots of things are going on Oh, we just recently started chatting again after like not talking for like six months or not six months two months I really feel like outside of the podcast. We stopped chatting bro I don't It just it happens a good life life. You got really busy My dad sometimes like do you not love me anymore? I'm like, yeah, you know It happens. I love my dad Hey, you're really picking up a little bit over 4k views on that bad boy. I'm glad you brought that up Yeah, I'm glad you brought up this flop of the video Uh, I'm crazy. Um, it's about to pass your video yesterday if it hasn't already on the back end. Sure. Sure. So It's not it's all relative, right? Um, but I was hoping you were hoping to be 47k Like the last night now. Yeah. Yeah, so I mean this was my big video for the week Like I try to make a video almost every day But there's always I also try to have like a big video that I spent more time on Yeah, this is that video this video was sponsored. I waited time like this is actually a pretty important sponsor Um for me, right? So it it could be uh, it could mean like a bigger partnership later down down the road so this video being successful is more important than any other prior video and For my zella theory videos. It's actually performing worse than any other in the last few months. Um But it's still doing good. It's still doing good and if it keeps at it and if it picks it up, right? So basically if you like tears of the kingdom And you've beaten the story where at least you've beaten the tears of the dragon quest Check it out. I have I watched later playlist. I should watch I always hit watch later because i'm always doing something. But yeah, I'll give it a watch Yeah, but I basically it's it's explaining how time traversal works in tears of the kingdom There's a few different angles we go at. Um, I spent some time on it. I think it's a good a good watch But let me know if it's not but checking it out. I'd very much appreciate that but yeah, andres restart I'm done. Oh, yeah advertising me make sure to subscribe to nishwick pops and Follow flam and also unsubscribe from the tent Yeah I'll make a bunch of We're 132 thousand and 15 subscribers It is entirely possible the 15 of you 16 of you Sorry go unsub right now and we see the infamous 131 which I've been trying so hard to output I will say the last 100 lost subscribers when it finally happens I have delayed it as long as I can Because before that we were losing like a hundred a day or 50 a day This has taken like Six days to get down this low Because I keep trying to do extra things to boost the subscribers and for a brief moment will gain Like it'll say tomorrow morning. I'll wake up. It'll be like. Oh, you're at 132 thousand and 22 Two hours later. You're at 132 thousand and five. Shit Time to time to time to do something to boost the channel Sometimes I think my twitter is growing faster than my channel, which is what I I and twitter is now Maybe dying question. I don't know. I'm on the I'm on the new platform. I'm on them both. It is what it is I'm on threads I kind of like threads. I won't lie. I think Nintendo underscore prime It's missing a lot of features, but they're promising a lot of features. So we'll see what happens I think it'll I'm just there if twitter dies cool. Then I guess I'm on the new twitter. I don't know I just want to see the elon and zunkenberg war or well, I mean they're they're already gonna like fight They're already like Yeah Yeah, it's just gonna add more fuel to when they actually because that fight is actually being planned and I sat there I'm like and now he's suing him. This is gonna be great There's gonna be so much bad blood when they when they go fight each other I feel like zuck's gonna kick his ass and this isn't me being a zuck guy Dude zuck is if you guys seen what this guy does he is built Dude, he is he is built right now He is like elon is so out of shape Zuck is out there winning like I don't know if it's high taekwondo or some sort of tournaments He's out there winning and getting golds in and like elon. That looks like he hasn't worked out in decades So like yeah zuck is short, but zuck is gonna kick his ass I can play a lot though, which by the way, I kind of want them to kick each other's ass I want them both and his bloody pulse on the ground like a sakura and Whatever where they both punch each other. They both fall at the same time But like legitimately zuck does fighting like he legitimately does it. So I'm just like this is just Yeah Anyways, but by the way zuck is really really short Like it's a pretty big height advantage, but height's not everything when you're in a fight. So um Anyways, uh nish quick pop. So you got going on where could they find you? Yeah, uh, you can find me on twitter at nish quick pops I recently changed my handle and of course you can find me on threads at nish quick pops And of course on youtube at nish quick pops And yeah, let's see right now. I am 69 Subscribers if I did my math right nice. Yeah, nice from 1k and do it come on Yeah, uh, it's it's very exciting. I got a lot of cool stuff coming out I mean, I can get you the subscribers in an instant I could just do a quick giveaway on twitter and mention they got to follow your Or your youtube channel. It really takes that literally literally I could give away like a five dollar e-shop gift card Twitter's insane with giveaways. Yeah, they don't have the rules you like youtube does I literally I could be like hey to enter this you need a retweet You need to like and you need to go subscribe to nish quick pops and you will just instantly get like 2 000 people That's insane But yeah, I do have speaking of that That's how I that's how I that's how I stop losing subs. Yeah, what am I doing? I got I got a farm twitter fake subs. Just do it. Just do like a $10 gift card We literally do that for every episode of our podcast for like if we get over this many likes we'll give away a gift card Yeah, yeah, dammit guys guys this one gets over a thousand likes in the next two minutes $10 I'll give away a hundred dollar gift card. Let's go $10 right there's only 89 watching so I don't think Corey if you're watching you spin up the bot. I'm gonna slap you in the face. I don't need to get banned I'm gonna be that guy though and just say that I I like just natural growth. I know I I don't know. I I don't think I I personally don't know Yes farm twitter. I mean I'll see the only thing Oh, go ahead. Sorry. No, I was just saying like future content I don't know like the zelda stuff zeno blade stuff. That's what I talk about the most I remember last time I was here. I was saying like This was in april and I was like I hope talk about some persona 3 stuff Because persona 3 is going to happen and it wasn't even announced then and now it's announced It's unfortunately not coming to switch, but I'm still talking about I love persona. So if you enjoy atlas stuff, I'm going to be talking about atlas stuff on my channel as well I also have a switch to video that came out today Did decently well, but you guys should Any hate no hate What no hate? No, no hate as of now. It's doing well for him even good. I have only Gotten one dislike so far. So wow Guys go subscribe in a shrink pop so you can start getting more dislikes. Yeah. Yeah I want to see some I I see toxicity on my zeno blade videos because the fan base is Yeah, but it is what it is. Oh, where's the switch to? Like where's the switch to haters? Let's go. Yeah, we don't want another console. I don't want nothing Come on. I got 19 dislikes on my video today. He's got to have more than me Yeah, what's wrong? I mean dislikes help with the algorithm. It doesn't really literally doesn't matter when it comes to Does it really at all? It doesn't yeah, I it still gives impressions. I think yeah No, so what what what the algorithm likes is interactions. It doesn't matter if it's a like or dislike Like dislike comment. No, your mental health is one thing But but but but the algorithm doesn't give a crap if it's a dislike or a like Yeah, so some of my most viewed videos have like a thousand dislikes. Yeah, I I'm very I'm very against Taking it away. I almost said Nintendo. But yeah, youtube taking it away feels weird I'm I would want people to see next time a topic if we controlled youtube. What's one change rude? Yeah, really Yeah, I mean I I mean, I think it's important to have it. I I'm okay with it being hidden just because I think there are people who Do the dislike bombing and that sometimes it's just I mean why it's still why are using your 10 google accounts to To make it look worse than it is. I doesn't make any sense Yeah, yeah What I found interesting was that they said the reasoning was obviously creator mental health And and I sat there and I'm like but but we you realize we are just checking the back end and still see Still see it. So like It's not public But how many times do you talk to me like to like to dislike ratios a little wonky on this video? I'm like It still affects the mental health. They didn't by the way. By the way, I complain about this But like it's really not bad. I have no reason to complain. No, you don't no Like I think 90 is considered to be good and I'll like but hey, listen, this one's a 95. Oh my god It's because I see your channel average as well and that kind of They're like one of my Zelda videos that had like 60k views had like an 85 percent and I was like, oh man, that's pretty bad That's bad. Then I then I click on the stats and I'm like, oh what it gave me 1200 subscribers What the fuck am I caring about them? Well, I mean think about it 15 percent because holy shit Whenever there's a presidential election, it's like what 45 55 Like 52 like 48 like so like the country's split in half, right? So I mean, I would say on youtube if you're split in half something's definitely weird going. Yeah, that's probably not good That's what the point is is that 50 50 all the time is not yeah Yeah, I mean you want to see people disagreeing because that means you're reaching a larger audience more people are there And I think having discussion and having different opinions is one-sided arguments aren't fun Yeah, yeah living in an echo chamber sounds cool for a while and then you get bored really quick when everyone just agrees with you Like a huge reason, uh, uh, you know like I I build the podcast away Do with some of my regulars like I have Eric on here Dude, he'll just call me a dumb ass if you think someone dumb ass, but also he's a little bit of a yes, man So then I have on just restart ready to just put me in my place any second any time You got no problem. You let me get away with shit and then if I have Jake Randall come on He'll just straight up You'll just straight up have the quote at the ready with a source link to drop to own my ass It's great. Whenever Jake's on the podcast. It's always fun Yeah, he he does. I don't think he can go through a podcast without laying into me and it's great That's just our relation. It's just what we do like when I was in boston hanging with him I talked so much shit to him. It was great Nate were you at pax? Yeah, paxies. Yep. So was Andres. I was also there. Oh man Well, now I have a bunch of new friends to meet in next year's pax. Maybe I don't know. I'm going back Jake keeps begging me to come back and I said Jake. I don't know man. How about you come here? It was very expensive. Yes. Yeah, I was yeah. Yeah, and now it's kind of like, you know, pax west sounds like the one Yeah Did any of y'all get an invitation? I didn't even try because I was like And I told my friend who wasn't gonna apply for it. She got it and I'm so mad for it. I was like, no, dammit, dammit Can you still can you still apply it? No, it's over. It's been over So the only potential way to still get in is the Nintendo mentions on their website that they are still trying to work With pax But it sounds like the reason that it's not just oh everyone that goes with pax and get in is because that's too much too many people So like I think I don't know if they're trying to figure out a premium pass or if they're just kind of figuring Hey, if you have a media badge, maybe we'll let you come in You know, I have no idea how they're handling that because I can't get media badges, but Maybe I wouldn't go in a pax west You have to be more like it would be like it's a Bro, it was a work of cake. We worked more When we went to pax east it was crazy like they and I would get back. I'm like, all right I guess we're staying up all night working on making videos. Yeah. Yep Yeah, it was networking in videos and they actually kind of worked out in the end which was sweet Plus getting to hang out with some friends. We did a couple things, but it was Yeah, man, like it it's intense. Uh, I I would The only reason I'm gonna say I'm not gonna go to pax west no matter what I say this if they if they confirm a systems there and I message my MCN says it's still too late If it is it's still too late because I'm going um, but uh That would be the only thing that would maybe push me over saying screw it I'll find the budget is that I pay it off that cruise like 500 bucks a month for next year and I'm technically going to California Like the week after pax for a wedding for a friend So it's kind of I don't just stay for two weeks. Just come early and stay for two weeks Yeah, the fun thing about being a youtuber is you technically can work from wherever you want. I know My work travels Yeah Your setup is oh, I I don't I don't think I can go to pax is I I have to I'm gonna I have a trip That will have me outside the country and I don't think I return till the first Um, which technically technically I think it starts in the first you just return Someone said this is a long out front. You change the flight. You change the flight. You return to there But I don't want to leave my cat alone for that long Not a lot of shit would be a little now at this point Yeah, it is what it is. All right. That's gonna do it Thank you guys so much for the return of my podcast. This was season two episode 27 You can listen to this podcast anywhere podcasts are heard Worldly everywhere the audio version will be up literally the day after the video version if you're listening to the audio version Hey, just so you know our podcast is actually live on youtube on the nintendo prime youtube channel at 8 p.m Central time until I don't know three hours after that or so every single Wednesday usually this one was technically on a thursday got pushed because it was my birthday this wednesday That being said, uh, thank you guys so much for being here go subscribe to everyone everything we link down below And uh, yeah, if you want to support the show patreon.com slash nintendo prime. Catch you guys later Later guys. Good night. Bye guys Unsub from nintendo prime don't unsub from nintendo prime guys make me cry I I legitimately might shut it here if I wake up to 131 Not gonna happen. We'll do it Okay, good night everyone. Bye everybody