 We are here to tell the world just who we are. Shocking females, cuz we are superstars. And let me tell you, the base in your face, the highs in your eyes. So make your nature rise, cuz we are the crass crew. And we rock till you can't survive. You are a fastly becoming a used tube sensation. That's how I'm gonna put it. That's how I describe people when I told them who I'm interviewing. Cuz it's sad. To hear those words come out of your mouth, it still seems absolutely surreal. I don't know how it's happened, but I kinda do actually. But yeah, it's been an amazing last three or four weeks, especially. And here we are, I'm on a podcast, it's crazy. I'm not super famous, but I'm famous in the pain world, not the podcast world. But it's with the, with, I found you because you popped up on a, I don't watch a lot of NFL stuff. Like I do when I'm bored and I'm like, it's softball season, I need to watch something. So you had popped up right when you must have first started doing this. Cuz you had 20,000 followers and that's when I started following you. And I don't follow many people. And I started following you because when you do it, when you do, and especially reaction videos, I don't watch reaction videos. But the way you, but your title, you don't want to be a rugged person, play a reaction to NFL. And I was just like, oh, that's kind of a cool idea. Why in the 15 years of YouTube have I never seen this? And so I watched it, but your excitement and your like exuberance and happiness doing it, like made me happy watching it. And I'm usually watching NFL films and I'm just like watching it because I just, like I said, miss a season, but you were so excited. And seeing your comparisons and learning it was like so amazing to me. And it's still amazing to me when I watch them. And I was just, I was at dinner tonight, or this afternoon. And I was watching, I was watching more of your videos. Because what really grabbed me though with you was not just those, your reaction videos was your, I used to coach for 11 years. I was an athletics or track and field coach since I was 19. And when I was watching, I don't know anything about rugby, by the way. My brother played it. I know nothing about it. I know people who play it for club sports. And I was just like, well, you're doing technique stuff. I love technique stuff when I was training. And so I'm watching like your, I don't know. I took the first one I noticed was you like, I don't know. One of the steps you did, I don't know. It was a good step. Did I write it down? Somewhere. You mean one of my tutorial videos? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. And so I like hearing how people break things down. And you break things down just like I do. I'm like, this guy is on the same breakdown level of training that I used to do with my kids. And so I felt like I'd eye with you in that, you know. And your interest in that is amazing because not a lot of people, like that's special because not a lot of people, not to my own horn, but not a lot of people can break down a simple move, a sidestep, the way you did in a video. Well, you know, I, well, growing up watching rugby, I, it is kind of, it is natural to a point, but there are certain things, certain cues that you can focus on and break it down like I did. And, you know, I've, I wanted people out there to, or kids especially, to be able to, you know, feel confident on the field to bust out a duke or a sidestep. You know, I'm getting, I'm getting messages from, from guys who, who's probably, you know, they're forwards in the game of rugby, but in the game of football, they'd be linemen, I suppose. But guys like that, you know, maybe 250 pounds that are busting out an awesome duke on a fallback in our game, which is kind of like a safety in your game, and telling me about it and telling me that because of my tutorial videos there, they've, they've gone from their school D team to their A team, and they're making a rep team, you know, and actually, I've actually helped people. And that's, that's what it's all about for me. That's what it always has been about. And I guess now that the angle my YouTube channel was going is, is from sort of a tutorial basis, being quite serious to actually being myself and doing these reactions and giving people entertainment now. So I guess that's, that's, that's the reason behind the growth. Well, being you is, it's the best. I've gone for it. Yeah, and doing, being yourself and not trying to be forceful or being like, you know, when I always start a reaction videos, there's always people trying to also get a reaction. Does that make sense? You know, where you're just doing it because you're like, I want to learn something. And I take this back to your vlogs because you have a lot of vlogs I really actually enjoyed with your belly, your blog and your, your workout ones. And it brings it back to like you being you and you just decided to like do something that you probably would have done on your own and just recorded it. And that's, there's nothing realer than that. Well, you know, I could have, I put up the first video and I put up the second one and the third one, but then I took a break. So I did three. And I think it was Barry Sanders, biggest hits and best dukes. And literally that was just me. I thought one day, you know what? I want to watch these videos. I actually want to watch them, but I may as well just put the camera on. And lo and behold, I said a few things whilst the camera was on. I mean, I was quite nervous about it. I put them out there and the reaction was amazing, but it probably took about two or three weeks for the traction to start, you know, building. And then when I did realize that it was, I was like, right, well, I've got something here. I'm going to have to do, I'm either going to not do another one and just ride off into the wind and that's it. Or, you know, focus on this. I mean, YouTube has been a huge passion of mine for five, six years now. People don't realize that. It took me at least four years to get 10,000 subscribers. But that was because of certain things that I'm realizing now. You know, I didn't have a particular niche. You know, someone would come to my channel and they'd see workout videos. They'd see rugby videos. They'd see fat loss videos and things like that. And I didn't have a particular direction whereas right now at this point, I do. And so people are coming to my channel. They're seeing that and they're hitting subscribe. And whether this, I mean, I don't know how many, I don't know how long I can actually keep this thing going for. And I know I'm going to need a break at some point. But at the moment, man, I'm probably about 60 or 70 videos in and I'm absolutely loving it still. So yeah. And that's great. I mean, you have, with all your other interests and with your clothing line, which we'll get into and that you're starting and your workout stuff and everything. I mean, I can see your pain because I run into the issue with for years with photography. My thing was is that I was, I started off in the industry as someone who was known to do for doing music. And then I got tired of doing music because we all grow up in invention. I wanted to branch out. So I, and I started to work with more models and stuff like that. But my style was all over the place because I was doing everything that I enjoyed seeing and doing, which I feel with you, you just showing your life and what you enjoy, your expression of it. Yours was on video with you in it. Mine was the opposite. I was using other people to do it. And I, it killed me for so long, like so long. I want to say almost like, almost a decade where I'm like, I don't, no one's recognizing me for me, but they're recognizing my pictures, you know? And I don't, I'm not wondering, I don't want to be in the forefront of anything me personally, like my face, but my work, I wanted it to be. And what was the problem was, was that like I couldn't find that spot. And I'm going through it now as a painter, the same thing. So I know your pain when it comes to trying to find that niche thing that sticks, you know? And, but the fact that you've been doing it for five years is a phenomenal story. And that's what really, really got me. Like this, what, you're 27 years old? Yep. So you've been doing this since you were 22 and you're still pushing it. A lot of people would have given up after year one. By 23 days I said, I'm going to find something out. You didn't do that. They would have, man. They certainly would have. And you know what? I, I hate to think the amount of hours and, you know, sacrifices I've had to make to get to this point. And I mean, it's, it's just the reality of it. Like, I, I've always loved YouTube. You know, ever since it came out, I came out in 2005. Where are we now? 2018. So it's 13 years old, the platform. And it took me eight years of, of watching it religiously. I mean, I don't watch any TV. I never, I haven't for the last 10 years. It's all YouTube for me. And I've always loved that aspect of it, being able to just log on, search exactly what you want and find it. And yeah, that's that. I loved it before I became a creator, but I realized that I don't know exactly what my passion is going to be. I don't know if it's photography, if it's music, if it's video, like you say, but I'm going to start this. I'm going to start it. I'm going to put my face out there, which was very, very scary at the start. I mean, I mean, you say that you don't sort of like putting your face at the forefront. Well, dude, it's with a YouTube channel. You really got to get over that pretty quick. Yeah, you do. And I like to hear that you're, you're doing a video podcast today because, man. It's because of you. I've got to be honest with you. I saw you for the first time. You've got an interesting look. You do. Yeah. And it's marketing. You know what I mean? A lot of people have told me that, but I think my problem is with me personally with that was that when I, okay, this always stuck with me. When I used to go to hip hop shows and when I was a photographer, there was me and some other guy photographer. His name was Top Notch. And we weren't competing, but we always knew each other's work. We knew who we were working with. We always saw each other's shows. But when I met fans, they all go, they all say, oh, you're Al. You know what I mean? Oh, you're Al. Like they knew of me and I liked it. You know what I mean? And I kind of stuck with that. And, you know, but now that I'm like, I got to, I know I have to put my face on more. It took something to convince me to even get an Instagram, you know? And it's like, put like pictures on. That's pretty basic. Yeah. Well, I mean, I got a lot of help with that. And from a YouTube style, friend of mine who I used to photograph before she was a YouTube style. And so she, she found, I asked her one day, can you just follow me on Instagram? So I look like I follow it. And she put out this amazing story and blah, blah, blah. So that's the end of that. But I was able to keep a lot of them. And cause I like to interact. I'm very, I feel like with, with you, like when you interact very well with your, your commenters and your people. And that's so important that people don't realize. I've got to be honest that, I don't know if you've realized but there's so many comments now. It's, it's, it's literally impossible for me to keep up. So that, that sucks, man. Because I honestly believe that's what's got me to this point is, is giving back to my, my subscribers and my, my commenters and everyone that's given me support. I've always tried to give back because I didn't have anything. I still don't have anything. It's just me, man. So, you know, it's not like I'm super famous. Like you just said, it's 50,000 subscribers. Now it's, it's, it's, it's growing. But, oh man, it's, it's, it's been such a whirlwind, man. There's so many comments, so many, so many Instagram messages. I'm trying guys. If anyone's reading, if anyone's listening out there, I'm trying. But to get to that 10,000, when I could still give back to every single person that commented, I did. And it's, it's an unselfish thing. I don't know. I, I deep down, I did probably think that it would come full circle and I'd get, you know, a bit of karma out of that. And I guess I have. Yeah. Oh, absolutely. I mean, what I do, like for me personally, because my, with my, I think it's my work varies. So certain people like certain work, and I felt the same way when I was up to, at the one point I was up to like 8,000 followers. I think I pissed off a good 1,000 of them at one point. And, but purposely, to be honest with you, it might sound crazy. It, but- Hey, think yourself that, what do you do? You can't, you can't be pretending to be anyone else. No, well that was it. I was just like, you know what? Like people, I'm very, I feel I'm very kind to the people. I hate using the word followers. My admirers. I taro, it feels cultish, doesn't it? It's like, it's like, yeah, I'm not like a cult leader here. So what I would, I did was I found out what they liked and I would have contests for them. And, or I'd thank them personally, cause I'd see the same people all, you do too, I'm sure, in your comments. So I'd see the same ones, I'd personally thank them, or I would give them something or whatever. Like if I'm, like I have downtime where I get tired of doing the same thing, so I need a break. Or I have old photos that I had printed and I know they're a fan of whoever it was, I will send them to them. Little things like that, or, you know, and whatnot. So like just because- Yeah, it makes you feel good though, right? I mean, regardless of the financial, you know, part of it or anything like that, it makes you feel good. Yeah, I mean, cause it's like, you're doing for me. You know, it's, I don't do this for everybody. Do it for the people who appreciate it, whether it's five people or 10,000 people, 100,000 people. And I'm appreciative of that. You know, and I know how important it would be for me if I had ever messaged anybody or someone like that who I admired had would say something to me. You know, like you even, you, like people who agree to do interviews and even sit and talk with me, it's a huge deal to me. It really is. You know, like even this right now, this moment here is a big deal to me. You know, and I appreciate all that- I'm gonna be honest, it's as big, if not a bigger deal to me. I mean, I've never done this before. I've never had an interview. I've never had someone hit me up for an interview. Really though? So yeah, I'm feeling the exact same way, man. Well, that's awesome. We're sharing the moment together, you know? And I mean, I feel like there's a lot of things that like I really want to discuss it, you know, go over with you, like, you know, and like with everything, you know? Cause I've done the clothing thing before. I've done the training thing before. I'm definitely not as good, handsome looking as you and my body's definitely not built like yourself. It's never that type of, that type of training, you know, and what, okay. Or you don't mind me. I think when my brain goes, let's get scatterbrained, this is, okay, think of this as, I don't really, I interview, but I also kind of like prefer to be like conversational. So what is with Australian people, New Zealand people, being so attractive? Well, the guys are the ghosts. Both, seriously, both. Like I look at, like I watched the teams, like the rugby games that I've seen or whatever. And I'm just like, every athlete's good looking. Even the big burly ones, somehow have this good looking piece of them somewhere, you know? I don't know, man. Is it the skin? I'm not sure. I don't know. Well, maybe it's the happiness cause you're all freaking smiling all the time. Maybe that's it. Well, we're not all smiling, but I'm certainly smiling. But yeah, no, well, let's be honest. I mean, before I came to Australia, I came to Australia at age 19. I'd come here for one holiday before that. So growing up in New Zealand, you're always, you always think, oh yeah, the Australian girls, they're top notch. It'd be awesome if you could get an Australian girl. Well, it's the attitude all over the world apparently. So Australian girls, yes, absolutely. Very, very nice. They look after themselves, I've got to say. I don't know what kind of maintenance goes into it. Yeah, the New Zealand girls, hey man, just the same. To be honest, I don't know. They might be a little bit too close to home. I sort of, I branched out for a reason, you know what I mean? No, everyone's in great spirits as you say. It's awesome, both countries are awesome to go to. New Zealand is my home. It's my home country. And Australia is my second home. So I lived in New Zealand up until I was 19 and I've lived here for the last eight years. No, it's been good to me. Yeah, why did you shoot over to across the waters there? Oh man, well. Running away? Not a long story, I mean, I decide, well, all through school, as we mentioned at the start of this interview, you're told to go to university, study your degree, get a job and work to your 40, sorry, 60, 40 years, sorry, work 40 years, do your 60, pay off the family home and that's it. Well, about three months into my university degree, I decided, fuck that. You know, I'm not gonna be doing that. If I do go back to university, it's gonna be something that I really want to do. I'm forcing myself into this degree. It's not the right thing to do. So anyway, I quit. I decided to try and go back into the workforce in Christchurch, New Zealand, which is where I'm from. And at that point, and now as well, I think, it was not easy for a 19-year-old who had no degree, no qualifications to get a decent job. So I was brought back down to Earth pretty quick and I had some debts, unfortunately, from a previous car that I rode off as a stupid 17-year-old, I'm sure we've all been there. We've all been there, yes. And so, yeah, and so my mom took me aside. She said, look, look, son, look, son, I'm gonna buy you a pick, send you to Alice Springs. Here's $800, Australian, do what you can. I don't want to see you back here within six months. No, I'm good for your mom for seriously doing that. Like, seriously. I know. And she obviously has clear faith in you to do something. That's a lot more than a lot of parents will do for their kids. Like, that's a favor she did for you. But anyway, continue. I apologize. Oh, man, well, to be honest, she's actually lived here for two years out of her last eight. So she's seeing what it's about. And I, man, I appreciate the hell out of her for that. I vividly remember it, mate. We went down, went for a dinner. She, we discussed things. She gave me the plane ticket. She gave me the money. I was flying out in two days. I went and had a few drinks with my friends the next night and I was out. So, but the, the awesome thing is, is that I got a job within two days of coming to Australia and it paid almost double what I was going to get back in New Zealand. So, you know, from the first, from the first moment of coming over here, I wasn't going to, I wasn't going to head back within that first six months. And I'm still here with them with, you know, eight years later, I'm still here. Well, good for you. That's huge for my mom. But yeah. Now, okay, why Alice Springs? I, you always say, when one of your videos just said, look, look it up. So I looked it up. Talk about nothing. You were, we're not kidding. When you said you were surrounded by desert and nothing. Like, seriously. Man, it's, well, why, I'll tell you the truth. I had a friend from New Zealand who'd come over here. They weren't in Alice Springs at the time, but they had come over here and got a job very easily. You know, that, that was the draw card was the fact that I've become here. It's not, it's not big. I didn't have a car at that point. So I have to get around on a bike, which some people still do. It's, it's definitely the preferred mode of transport. There's no traffic here. It's fucking awesome, man. Like I do like it. It's just a little bit sheltered. But I came here because I had a friend who got a job really easily. And lo and behold, I came here and got a job. The sun is always out. The winters are really, really nice. The summers are extremely hot and long, but we're right in the middle of winter at the moment. So I'm loving it. But yeah, it was for work, man. Good. It was for work, man. Well, you gotta, that's where you get, you gotta go where the work is, especially when you're that young and you decide not to go to school. Trust me on that one. I didn't know that very well. Hence be coaching at 19. So, I, I, yeah, that's right. No, I'm really, I mean, I, to be honest, I'd love, I would love to be a coach of some sort. I'm getting to that point in life where I'm sort of going from an adolescent into an actual adult. And I'm thinking, you know what? Maybe I can do this. I think you can. I think you, just like I said, when I saw how you were, your tutorials on rugby moves and such, it was very similar to how I approach it. And cause I had a, I was a 265 pound man trying to teach teenage boys how to sprint, okay? So I had six one. Okay. So I had to, I was just known as the strong, you know, throwing coach and that was it. And I swapped over to do sprinting as well and to teach kids and then finally turn them into league all-stars and things like that. And go to state meets and which, you know, are big deals here. And it was a big deal for me, you know? Because it's like, it's, because I had to take something I didn't know, study it, break it down to those little elements to make it, make more sense to these kids because it was a tip. I mean, you did athletics in high school, right? So yeah. So what does a coach tell you, run fast? Like that's all they tell you, you know? And I got tired of that whole run fast crap because I wanted to take kids who, you know, they don't just to run faster, you know? I didn't- Yeah, well, there's such a thing as natural ability as I'm sure you're aware. Obviously, yeah. To develop that onwards is just makes absolute stars. So yeah, I mean, I know what you're saying, man. Yeah. So I had to break down even like sprinting form and, you know, how to get a relay together and do all those things. And it was, and get the kids to understand it too. I can tell a kid to do whatever they're gonna listen. But if they're not gonna understand why, then it doesn't matter once they go to college, you know, or when they train on their own. And that was the biggest thing. I wanted them to take whatever I was trying to teach them and go beyond that. And a lot of them did. You know, and I got to the point where I was stealing the girls from the girls track team because they hated their coach. And they wanted to get better. And they saw what these boys were doing. And majority of the boys that I had were soccer players. And the soccer players used to compete against the football players, the American football players, in strength and in training. And the soccer players were better than the football players because the football players had ego and size in their brain. But they didn't have proper training behind them because it was different coaches. So I was proud of that pound for pound. The strongest team in the school was the soccer team. Yeah, it's awesome. You know. It was great. You didn't do any 40-hour dashes by any chance, did you? Me, myself? Yeah, I did. I know, did you, well, you yourself, but did you coach any people to do that? No, no. Because I'm worth the moment. Well, the short sprints are hard to coach. Like, 100 meters is good, but short sprints are tough. It's more of a, because it's like, like, in one of your videos you had mentioned, I don't know if it was a Tyreek Hill video, but you were talking, you were breaking it down, and you were talking about how up to like 20 meters or 20 yards, his head was down. So you got to take that philosophy and drop it, you know, keep it there, but how do you accelerate at the right time at 40 yards and go? And that's the hardest thing to teach because it's so quick. Because your first four or five steps, it's placement. You know, and then after that, it's a matter of accelerating. Well, all this looks like you've fallen over, doesn't it? I mean, you're literally just on the edge of falling forwards, but you're not. Well, that's how, that's part of the one, yeah, one of the training techniques is to fall forward until you take that step. That's how you find out what your lead step is. Right. I haven't done that yet. One of my suggestions to you is, is videotape yourself and count how many steps you take to get from zero to 40 meters and try to cut down one or two steps. So you want to strengthen your stride. It's that's the important thing. It is, is your stride is so important. How tall are you again? I'm six one, so probably about your height. Okay, so, so yeah, so you could probably lengthen. I didn't really break down, you sprinted it, but I could watch a video and break it down for you, but you probably want to lengthen your stride and you probably could cut down a couple of steps. And that's important right there because what you want to learn to do is not run up. You want to run out. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. So you push and push that way. Well, I've watched Mike in a Kyrie Kill video. I know exactly what you're talking about. I mean, his back is literally, yeah, you know, it's horizontal. Yeah. The first 10, 10 yards at least. Yeah. I've really got to work on that. And being, being a tall, tall guy, it's kind of hard to get down. Yeah. So. Oh, try to be a, being a fat guy doing that. It's even harder, trust me. You know, and plus you're doing it without blocks, which is a lot different. So your starting stance is different. And that's what you- Long grass is what I do. The cleats dig into the grass and stuff. Yeah, man. I think I probably could go a bit faster and that excites me, man. Cause like, you know, I love breaking things down. I love, you know, the statistic and things. So, man, I can't wait. Yeah. So that's what, but I'll be my number one thing to tell you, count how many steps you're taking and try to take at least one, one and a half out of it. And that's your best bet. In Markham. You know, if you can Markham, you can do it. You know, I don't know if you're familiar with stride checks. Big deal for me when I was running, what I used to train as a runner. Stride checks, I like, you know, like a ladder, a workout ladder. Yeah. All right. So what you do is you start off really quick. You, if you go quick, quick, quick, quick, quick. And the, and the spaces get further and further and further apart until you're literally bounding to like the last three. All right. So what that does is I will strengthen your stride. So what I used to do when I trained it, because one, believe it or not, at 220 pounds, my favorite race to run was the 400 meters. And cause I liked being like the unassuming fast kid. I ran a 59. I know that's not fast, but at 220 pounds and never training for it. I was like my proudest moment running. Absolutely. Under a minute and 400. That was my goal. And so, but I trained for it in my, cause I knew my strides were terrible. So instead of like a lot of kids when I would watch them or even coach them, they just do this like scissors kick all the way to the end and try to get over it. What I did was I bounded lead knee first and that strengthened my length and my stride. And I used to teach my sprinters to do the same thing because they had these little tiny steps cause a lot of them were shorter. So you could do the same thing and bound your way to the end and now eventually make you a little bit more flexible get you going to pull that far, which you know, being a heavy lifter that you're very limited in that. So if you don't stay flexible in those spots. It's flexibility, man. I gotta work on that. Well, especially with the punting now you want to be a punter, right? Yeah. You ever see a punter fall through? Do I? I don't know if I want to be a punter. I was doing that for the content, but I did have fun. I'm having fun doing anything. Absolutely. I don't want to get a spot on some. I'd take any position. I personally think you'd be a great safety. If you were over here, you probably would have been in safety. Hands down. With your size, build and speed, you would definitely have been in safety. And in college, you probably would have been somewhere between an inside linebacker and a safety. Do you reckon a safety, like when you think of safety, what is the skill that they have the most that comes to mind just like that? Speed. Speed. Speed and toughness are the two equal ones to me. They're not that actually, they're not really not that fast. But you have to have the size, these are the three things that always pop in my head. Size, speed and toughness. Those that, they're literally the, like the ultimate combination of all three. I don't know what that would be in rugby, but it's a guy. An amazing player. Yeah. It's the guy who can literally, who can dish out the hottest hits at the fastest speed and the most intelligent because you are the center of the defense. In a sense. So who are you watching? Are you watching your opposite man? Or are you watching everything? Well, the pens. No, this is where you haven't gotten into the whole football. You can, you're going to be learning football, literally American football for like the next, at least five years. Because seriously, because when you break it down to actually the strategy of American football, your mind's going to be blown. Like the playbooks are literally like this thick. They're about six inches thick. And you might think it's. Yeah. So what is the safety? Basically the safety, I would call it safety. If long to not do, you're not double teaming somebody or whatever. They're basically a ball of the second tier ballhawk. So if they get past the lineback is you're running up there, they're running the ball, you're running up there full speed trying to take someone's head off like literally, you know, so honestly, I cannot wait to put on the pads and try and hit someone's going to be interesting. Where you getting pads from? I don't know. To be honest, I was going to do a reaction video. I got a reaction, but a screen recording and then go on eBay or Amazon and buy my first pair of receiver gloves and pads and a top to put over it, but I haven't done it yet. So I'm not sure. I will send you some, I will send you some stuff. How about that? I will do that. Really? I will, absolutely. I will send you a little starter kit. I'll skip the pads because that's, those are a personal thing based off of your size. And you don't want the pads that I have. They're fucking huge. They're huge. You wouldn't be able to move them. They're like different linemen. And that's what I was. I was a lineman. I watched, oh my God, I watched the, I think it was the 1985 Bears the other day. That video is coming up. The refrigerator? Oh, the fridge. No one stops the fridge from one yard out, man. But yeah, some of the pads, man, they were literally like out here. They were big back. Yeah. Back then they were really big. And then over the years, they've gotten smaller because the technology has obviously changed, but they were a lot of neck rolls back then, you know, they keep your head from moving. But when you have a head, a neck roll, I had one in the helmet. You, you literally can only go like this. You can't see left to right. So cause, well, all you're worried about was right in front of you. I was a center. So I just worried about what was in front of me, you know, but it made it harder on defense. So I had to really like turn my body and follow everything, you know, to the physical technique changes. For sure. Well, I mean, being a receiver, well, let's, let's switch the offense right now. Cause I mean, the other position you would be a wide receiver, I think I don't think, honestly, I went into this thinking, yeah, running back, running back because I'd love to run the ball all the time, but it's brutal. I think you're too tall for running back anyway. Yeah. You've really got to get, tuck your head down and get in there. I don't know, man. You know who to look up. Who's about your size? Is Eric Decker. Oh yeah. Yeah. I'll get my list. Let me put it down. I don't know if you want to do Eric Decker, D-E-C-K-E-R. Got it. He's not that, he's not that super great, but he's about your size. And, Okay. But he's, he's been on like, he was on the jets. So you might, oh no, was he the jets or, he was on the, you probably want to see him on the Broncos. Remember correctly? Yeah. The Broncos when he had a good quarterback. So that's when you'll see his better stuff. But he's about your size. So he's, he was a receiver slash lot of receiver, mostly a receiver. But, receiver, yeah, I could never do that shit. Now that I think about it, I'm like, I can't see, I don't know how they can see the ball through the, through the helmet. Oh yeah. I don't know, I haven't put a helmet on yet. I don't know what it's like. Oh my God. Oh, helmets are hard to find too. I don't even know if we can find a helmet to put on and actually put one on. Jesus. That'd be a tough one. I went to the sports store here. Yeah. Obviously, you'll be able to get everything like the major cities in Australia, of course, but Alice Springs is very limited. So I think either you might see me something or I'd have to go online. But I bought a ball and that's pretty much all I could find. Okay. I'll see what, I'll send you with a static because I got to ship some stuff out anyway. This coming week that I've been slacking on some paintings, but I will send you a static and you can decide from there whatever you want to, whatever you want to. What a legend. What a, if you're going to sit there and you're going to enjoy what my country has, you know, for you, you know what I mean? I think it's, we can give back to that in the same way. You know what I mean? I love sharing stuff. I'll certainly give you a decent shout out and I'll do an unboxing on the, on the channel and all that stuff. So, that would be amazing. Yeah. Let me see what I can get you. Don't worry about the pressure on you, but yeah, that'd be great. Yeah. I know, absolutely. Cause I was thinking that before, I'm like, this guy's like slacking and some stuff. You got a college football instead of a pro ball, which is not your fault because you know what? This is the time that's all you're going to find. The pro ball is a little bit bigger and a little bit slicker. And I will, it's one other thing I can find you too that you might want is a kicking tee. You want to learn how to kick? Yeah. Yeah, I do. Yeah. All right. So you don't put anything on the bottom of the ball, do you? It's literally just something that's like on the top of the ball, just to keep it there. Yeah. Like a finger. Yeah. It's weird. It's like a tree with a thing that just holds it in place. Yeah. Yeah. Because in high school, they use a tee and in college and pros, they don't use one. They use a holder, personal holder on the ground. But that's hard. That's not, it's not much different though from the setup as a rugby kick. Try it. I don't know what they call it. No, no, it's not. I mean, and honestly, man, the more I delve deep into this world of football, the more similarities I see, I mean, just in the scoring, the point in the numbers. Yeah. It's similar, man. There's definitely, like, look at the ball. I mean, the ball's pretty much the same shape. There's definitely, definite similarities that I'm becoming more and more aware of. And I cannot wait to actually, I'm not gonna say I'll be an expert, but in five years, I might be an expert, but to actually understand the game more so and be able to, you know, talk about the differences with a educated mind on the game of football. I cannot wait to do that. Now, because at the moment, I'm not, but I will. Hey, I mean, your determination, like now I'm determined now to understand rugby a lot better. Trust me here on that one. You know what I mean? Because I... Man, that is, my ears, my friend. That makes me so happy. Like, because that, like, well, that, Amazon, Amazon Prime, you know, I don't know if you have Amazon Prime. I don't know what they have over there, but Amazon Prime has the video stuff and they have a series where they do all or nothing and they follow like professional football team. They did like a couple of college football teams, professional team and this year, they did the All Blacks. So, yeah. So I started, I was, I watched that. I just finished it today. I watched that. I'm watching it. So I'm taking what I watched in your videos, trying to see it in your tutorials, trying to see it in those ones because they don't teach you that you're just watching a team and following them through two seasons I don't understand how the seasons work with that stuff yet. Haven't got that far. But I was watching those and I'm trying to see I can see what things are. I'm like, even the points or whatever, the movements of tackling or whatever, just trying to figure it all out and whatnot, but it is very, it is very similar. It's a brutal damn sport though. When you get the big guys and the pros at it, holy crap. Whoo. Yeah. Yeah, well, you've got, I mean, there have been a couple of Bo Jackson's in the game of rugby and people have to try and tackle them with no pads and no no. You know what I mean? How many broken collarbones are there in rugby? It's got to be a bunch. Yeah. Honestly, on the pro circuit, you don't hear of it a lot. I've got to be honest. Really? In this national game, you don't, but there's definitely got to be a lot of injuries at the club level for sure. Oh, I guess. I mean, even in the game, but I'm playing it in Alice Springs, there's, it makes me cringe, man. There's at least one injury game, whether it's a shoulder or knee or an ankle or something, there's always something there. You know, it's a nature of the game. Of course. I mean, every game. Football, everybody thinks because now they got pads on, they can actually destroy people, which is, you know, which is why you see what I couldn't imagine what they'd be like without it. If you ever watch a hottest hitters video and see the damage, they do not the newer ones, but the older ones before the rules had changed. Like my favorite, my three favorite football plays are to watch Michael Vick, Randy Moss and Rodney Harrison, who was a safety. Oh, I've done two of the three. Yeah. I was hoping you did. But Rodney Harrison, because he would absolutely murder people when he tackled them. He's, but he's, he's the most fine football player ever for all his, because the way he hit people, he did not care. Like he was just so, and he's so, he's an unsung player that people didn't pay attention to on the mainstream. But that's why I liked him. He just did his business and destroyed people. Came to New England's, you know, when people, when San Diego thought he was washed up and just wrecked people. It's even, even in practice, people hated him because he didn't care. I love that attitude. You know, so if you look him up, just, you know, even your personal time for a minute and just if you can find anything on him, but Rodney Harrison is just a head up. He was a safety. Great safety. And for workout videos, if you want to see some sick, like workout stuff, look up James Harrison. Yes. He's, he was a linebacker for, for the Steelers. But this guy is like, they call him Debo. You know who Debo is from Friday, the movie? No. Sorry. It's all right. It's an American thing. But anyway, this guy's a huge, but his workout videos are insane. Insane. He didn't, there's no off season for this guy. So since for somebody who likes to work out, he's the guy to look for as far as crazy, like workout stuff and not Tom Breish, you know, pansy stuff that he does, you know? So. I haven't really, I haven't really seen too many NFL's tight workouts, but of course with me wanting to get into the game and actually play, I'm definitely going to be picking those out. So. Well, I mean, it's all, it's all athletic based training. So it's, you do bodybuilding, right? Yeah. Yeah. That's where most of my focus is being based. Yeah. In the gym. All right. So like it's, it's, you know, I've seen some of your, you're on your 100 plus day of, what is it? Weight gain? Weight, what is it? I'm so stupid. You're making gains? Yeah. Making gains. Thank you. Yeah. Yeah. So in that you do a lot of the similar stuff, but nowadays a lot of the athletes do a lot of their own things. But if you ever want to see what actual, like football training would be, you'd probably want to look up college stuff and college training because it's more universal. Just for like, if you don't have a vacation, if like for that coaching purposes or whatever else is to see what they do. Big college programs like Florida, Florida State, the Florida schools are huge on that training stuff so you can see how they train. Pro sports, they don't, you don't really see much into it. They don't really show it, but colleges, the colleges, the bases are doing it. College sports is where it's at in this country. I'm sorry. It's the most exciting way to watch sports. Yeah. And I'm, I didn't know that. I had no idea about that at first, but I've definitely become aware of it. I haven't seen a whole lot of college stuff, but I can't wait. It's going to be great. It's a great way to get introduced to play. Like I'm the only one of my friends who are really into it with football because college basketball reigns king as far as college sports out here. Okay. College sports is just, you like basketball? Yeah, but I've seen a hell of a lot more of it than I have football. So the reactions are- Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. No, but college sports, man, you'll see some phenomenal things. You'll learn who the players are of the future, who the kid, you know what I mean? And stuff like that. It makes you very, more familiar. But, you know, the games mean so much more. In football, you can afford to lose a couple of games. College, you can't. See, I did not think that would be the case. I mean, I thought it's college. I mean, people are not going to really care. I honestly thought that, but geez, with the history of the game and that, how long some of these rivalries have been, because it's the actual rivalries between two particular schools that means the most. Is that right? Oh yeah, absolutely. Those rivalries reeks in special trophies and like the big ones, Ohio State and Michigan, Yale and Harvard. I'm gonna have to get, give me, well, after this, give me the five biggest college robberies, and I'm gonna look them up. Yeah, because, look. All right, you, okay, your reaction to it when you see stadiums, I don't know like, you like love the crowds. Right? Is that what it is? If you ever wanted the biggest crowds you'll ever see are all in college sports, college football. They have the biggest stadiums. The hundred, how, Michigan stadium holds over 100,000 people sold out every week that they play there. That's just insane. Yeah, so look up Michigan. How is that possible for a college? Like, is there any money involved? Like, is there revenue coming in? Oh, a million, billion, it's a billion dollar industry. Who, do the players get paid? They get scholarships. That's a big issue over here. There's a good documentary on it if you have a kid to watch it. But there's, I'll give you the name if you ever want to just ask me. But yeah, that's the biggest problem, that the NCAA is the National College Association, the Athletic Association. They are the ones who control the Division I through III of sports, and they basically take all the revenue for it, put it in their own pockets, still call themselves basically a charity, so they don't get taxed and all that stuff, and the kids see nothing. And they basically control and have the name and say on so much stuff. So there's a lot of controversy behind that, and there's people who see it both ways, but I see that the players are making money for these programs. You know, the coaches, the college coaches on, you know, whatever sport, they get paid more than NFL coaches. What? Nick Saban gets an eight million dollars a year to coach in Alabama. A college coach gets eight million a year. If you look up the highest paid residents of, of the highest paid resident of every annual salary of every resident for, you know, states, of the 50 states, it's more often, it's a college football coach. What? What? What? Uh-huh. That's so much money these days. Well, they must be, they must put a hell of a lot of effort in that. Do they go home? I've heard of coaches sleep inside. When the season's in, and it's pretty, it's pretty hectic. You have to be, you want to be the best. You want to make that eight million dollars a year, obviously. Yeah. You know, it's your life. And that's the hottest thing that people don't realize. Like even me on a low-end coach on a small program here, you, like, when you mathematically figure out the low pay and what you're making because all the downtime that you're actually spending learning programs, coming up with lineups and things like that, you're literally making like five dollars an hour. You know what I mean in essence? Because of all the extra time you're putting into, now as a professional, could you imagine? You're doing 18-hour days, you know, because you have a week to figure that stuff out. It's insane. Absolutely insane. Well, yeah, yeah. Well, I think it's crazy that a coach can get eight million and their top players get nothing. But they're conditioning themselves for this awesome fucking, they could be, well, I mean, they want to get to the draft, don't they? Is that like where they're all? Do people, are some players completely satisfied with college and don't want to play football? Yeah, there are some people who I could see doing that. Like, okay, for instance, a few years ago, there was a guy on Florida State, he was a Rhodes Scholar. You know what a Rhodes Scholar is? No. It's a special, it's a special, basically it's almost like a special scholarship slash degree or whatever. Honor, only like two students in all the country get. And they go over to England and they get this honor thing or what. I don't know specifically what it is. I don't want to be that stupid on my own podcast. But, so if you're one of two students in all of the United States schooling systems to get this, you know, you're gonna go play college football and risk getting, I mean, professional football, risk getting hurt, damage, dying in the future, whatever else, or you're gonna go off and be a rocket scientist. You know what I mean? So there are, yeah, and there are players who understand that they're not good enough to make it there. But I'm sure I think everybody would want to try and get there because the team's allowed, you know, about 100 players to start off practice with and they have to break it down to 53. You know, so each team doing that, so you get 53 players on a team for each season. And then you get a practice squad team, so that guy's like six players I can't remember exactly. So they're able, yeah, so like there's so much people. So there are people in there who like, yeah, I'm tired of it. There's plenty of people like kids that I've met who played and they're like, they don't even care about even watching football because they had enough of it in their life, you know? But absolutely, yeah, totally, you know? I guess it's a bit different for me coming in at age 27, completely new. It's very unique, I guess, that's what people are jumping on board the journey. Well, absolutely, I mean, like some people here, we like to share things. And we're passionate about our sports. It's our ultimate escapism. Now being from Boston, where between Boston, New York, in part of Chicago, the two biggest, the three biggest markets that are like basically all sports, you know, cause we have, you know, we've won, I think this decade, not this decade, but since the 2000s, the city of Boston has already won 10 championships in professional sports, you know, and where every other city has maybe two tops, you know, so like we live and breathe it. Yeah, you know, like if you're here, you have to know about sports if you grew up here, you know, whether you're a fan of it or not, like it's just the way it is, you know? So, I mean, it's just the same way, I don't know, is rugby like that in New Zealand and in Australia and all that stuff? Yeah, we're exactly the same, man. Whether it's New Zealand or Australia, whether it's rugby, cricket, basketball, soccer, tape, could be table tennis, could be golf, anything, you know, we're pretty sport mad. You're either on one side or the other. I think, you know, it's personally, I got into sport because, I mean, I'm competitive at the end of the day, like I don't even want to play a sport if I was good at it or I thought I was good and I wanted to win and that sort of attitude is sort of, you know, waned off a bit in the last few years, but I can definitely feel it coming back, man. And yeah, it's, yeah, rugby is huge. Rugby is a religion, man. I don't know, like what is the top sport in the US overall? Is it baseball, basketball or football, or is there another one? I think as a fan, it's football because, but as when you're growing up, it's baseball because you can play it. You can't play football growing up necessarily for everybody. Yeah. I've never played baseball. I haven't either. I couldn't swing a bat in my life depended on it. You know what I mean? I could probably knock some of his knees out, but I can't swing a bat or throw a ball at all. I can throw a shopper and a discus and a javelin, you know? You know cricket, right? I do. I do cricket. The game that never ends is what I call it. Well, I used to think football was the game that never ended, but it's not. The cricket literally could never end at some point. Like it can be like six hours long. I'm like, what are you kidding me? It's a five day game. A test match is five days old match. Yeah. See, like that's what it's like. I'm like, I don't, it's insane to me. Like it's, I don't, I, I'm not too, for when I would live in Asia, I followed it a little bit because I'd see it on TV and I got out of it there because I just couldn't fathom. I can't fathom. Like, I don't like video games that don't end. I don't even play video games, but the thing that there's video games that don't end, just kill me. I needed something to shoot towards, you know? So the feeling something's gonna be five days away or a week away, what the frick it is. I can't do it. Can't do it. You know, but I, yeah. So I say, I'd say it's soccer's huge in America too, for when you're a kid. And then because it's easy sport to play, but soccer baseball grown up, it turns into football. And then from there, it's mostly football. If I had a kid and I never planned to have one, and gradually, congratulations on your daughter, by the way. Thank you, man. Thank you. Much appreciated. Four and a half months. Wow. I just, my brother just had his first year, year and a half ago. So I leave it to my brother to have the kids and I'm just gonna skate away and do my thing. God bless you, all your parents and all my friends and parents. Except for me. Same here. What? Not anymore. So if I ever had a kid, though, baseball is the way to go, man. If you want to, like, the money in baseball is absolutely absurd if your kid's good at baseball. I'm talking like, they're looking at Bryce Hopper, who's not even playing well right now, that in the off season, he's gonna get a half a billion dollar contract. What? Yeah. 500. Over half a year. 10 years, probably. Oh, fuck. Jesus. Can you imagine? Could you? No, I can't. Like, hi, I just signed this contract that says $500 million. And that doesn't include the endorsements. We'd probably put them over a billion. Well, it's like, well, I mean, what did LeBron James, LeBron James just left, cares, didn't he? Yeah, he's getting 48 million dollars a year, 49 million just to play basketball and not even the rest of his stuff. Yeah. Yeah. It's, it's a, like, perfect man. It's... Now, how's the pain over there? You don't realize what it's like over here, because our biggest, you know, I guess our biggest revenue-brawling sport would be, well, actually it's, it's different from New Zealand to Australia. New Zealand would be rugby union, for sure. But then you've got another sport called Rugby League. I don't know if you know the differences, but it's the same, same field size, different, kind of different roles. To be honest, Rugby League would be the most similar game style to American football, because we stop after every tackle, it's like a down, you know what I mean? All right, yeah. But we've got six to try and get to the end of the field, not four. And on the last one, we can kick, but we can also retain the ball too. So, honestly, well, I'm going down a rabbit hole now, I'm not gonna try and... It's hopefully I can in the future, better when I know the rules better, but yeah, Rugby League is more so an Australian sport. Rugby Union's more so New Zealand, but they're both very, very popular in both countries. So... Okay, yeah. Now, the pay for the athletes though, it's like, what are the, like all black athletes with like... Have you heard of any athletes? Do you know any? See, just from Amazon alone, there was one guy I liked, but he kept getting hurt. His name was like Nihii, or I don't know, it was a weird name. Like Nihii, or NEHE, or something, I don't know. Something like that. Milner Scudder, is that his last name? Is he a good sidestep bro? It was a, he was fast as all hell. This kid was like zing down the field. Yeah. Yeah, and he had moves. Some kid, Mackenzie, Brandon Mackenzie, or something. He was a tiny guy, he was like 5'8". I'm like, that dude, kid, what? He's playing fullback for the all blacks at the moment. And Damien, I think, Damien Mackenzie. Oh, maybe. And yeah, well, talking about numbers, you're gonna absolutely... I don't know what you're gonna say to this, but yeah, our top, our top all black, top superstar, goes through all this shit, all the training, all the hits, everything. They would be lucky to crack a million dollars a year. Oh. Is that gold fine? Is that a million dollars like there? Is it different? Like as far as... Oh, it's a lot, it's less, man. Yeah, so that's probably about 650 US. Wow, what's the league minimum over there to play? Well, you've got like the practice squad, like you say. Yeah. If you're not playing, you're just training. Yeah. So that's your full-time job. I'd say you probably get a base of about, I don't know, man, 80 maybe? 80 or 90 grand, 100 maybe? Sorry, yeah. 100 grand, if you're on the team, if you're a starter, but you're not a star or anything, I'd say, and this is like, this is club level. This is like a national competition that they have. I'd say 200,000 maybe? Yeah, I think that can be sure, can be sure. The league minimum on, there's a veteran minimum and a league minimum, I believe is somewhere around like $750,000. Practice squad members make, I think, 30 grand a week. A week? No, it can't be a week. It might be a week. 30 a week would be a million and a half, would it? Yes. But they're not always on the practice squad. They're just there like back and forth, back and forth. But I could be wrong. I could be 10 grand a week, something like that. Something higher than going out and working, being a bricklayer. But the money's in it though, like between merchandise, like me buying these jerseys and these hats and the tickets cost a fortune. That's where all comes from, comes from the fans. I mean, the season's only 20 weeks long, but 16 weeks, or 17 weeks technically, but 16 weeks for a regular season. But the money that goes into that, between the NFL makes off of the channels, pay them a billion dollars just to play half a season at a time and stuff like that. It's like the money is insane. So it goes back and then it's the same thing with baseball. Baseball's got 162 games a year, 80 or 862 or 81 games at home. You know, so you have 30, we'll say 40,000. What, 18 plays 160 games in a season? Yeah, in baseball. No, no. What? Yeah, like the Reds like. How often do they play? You'll have to have a minimum of three days off a month in baseball. Holy shit. Yeah. Well, obviously the physical demands are not the same as the game of rugby. Certainly not, but the mental demand, because you're traveling. Now, you're going from, you'll do a home stand, we'll say eight games, and then you're on the road for a month. So you're traveling from time zone to time zone. You know, it's not a 12 hour flight to Argentina for a game, which is insane to me, or South Africa or whatever. But yeah, it's night after night. You'll finish a game and then go on a plane and go to the next one. In the NFL, they have games over in England now, four times a year. So you'll fly over, they'll make the decision. Or the Patriots, they'll play it smart and they'll have a game. Like last year, they had a game in, I don't know, Seattle or somewhere, California. And then they stayed over there because they had a game in Mexico the next week so that you stayed there, rather than flying 3,000 miles back and then another 3,000 miles. But you know what I mean? Things like that, but yeah. So are these regular season games that they're having overseas or are they exhibition matches? The regular season games though, one team has to forfeit a home game in their home stadium. But there's a revenue builder there. The Patriots are super popular there. Oh yeah. Yeah, yeah. The Jaguars play there every year and they always destroy whatever team they play, which is odd regardless of their good or bad. So those are the type of things that as a new fan, when you can pay attention to is the teams that you get to watch are usually the teams and the matchups that the NFL wants you to see that they deem as should be good. You know what I mean? So that can help you in a little bit in your research in learning the sport and like why is this team good? Why are they playing? You know, why am I seeing this team? You know, like you part- Have they come to Australia? I think they've modeled. No, I think they might have done a visiting thing because I know they're trying to get something over in China at one point. Maybe like flag football worldwide is super popular. The NFL runs. I've seen a bit of that. The NFL actually has a league now that they're the run by former players and stuff. I don't know why. I don't know. You guys must have a flag football league down there. We must do. I've actually, I have seen a bit of that tournament that's on at the moment. And it looks, how many players? Is there seven on team or something? It's seven on seven, I believe. I haven't really watched it, but. You should try it. Like it's a big youth thing. If you can find a league around there or start one. There's a. Oh man, it sucks. It sucks, man. There's nothing here. Really? There's no, well, honestly, there are a lot. There are quite a few Americans that live in Alice Springs due to there's a military base. So they come over here on like two year, two year job visas, I guess, and then go back to the U.S. But there is quite a few U.S. people here. It's just, I don't really know any. I guess I could put a little shout out on Facebook or something, try and get some people to get this. But there's no leagues to actually go and join a team here. No, unfortunately. Well, there's a, if you can ever catch it, I'm sure there's a video of it on YouTube. There is a new move in flag football that I've never seen before. And you like the Jukes and stuff like that. It's like a vertical juke. And since you got to grab the flags, these guys are doing a duck. Oh, yeah, I've seen it. Yeah, I've seen it. Dude, you got to be like, yes, like they'll squat down and do this run on the, on the, like, I'm like, it looks like a dog scooting. You know, I'm like, oh my, but I'm sitting and thinking, I was like, how do you do that at the speed that you're doing it at? And not blow out a knee. Like my knees would just be a pop. And now, I just imagined that in my head just then, mate. That's what I can imagine happening. As you come back up or something, it's just going to pop up. That's strong right there. It's a vertical juke. I never thought I'd ever see one, but there you go. I like to see you try and do, try those, those are training out a tutorial, do football tutorials. How I would do it, that'd be great. Oh, there's so, there's so many, I mean, once I get through the reactions, yeah, I'll get down to the field and start doing that. Now, are you ever going to get into the, the studying the, like when you watch a game, understanding what exactly is going on? Well, to be honest, you'll probably be happy about this. Recently, I just watched my first actual, well, it wasn't a full game, but it was the Super Bowl 51. So I watched all of the plays. So I think it was condensed into about a 20 minute video and I watched the whole thing and saw the comeback. And it was awesome, but it gave me the opportunity to sort of start seeing a few things. Did you watch the turning, the turning point one, the NFL film's turning point? Were they explaining the plays and like, it's certain plays? No, I haven't. Oh, okay. But I've recently found this guy, I can't remember what his name is. He's recently had a hundred thousand subscribers. He really, really breaks down the players and he does scouting courts and things like that. Nice. I don't really watch. I usually watch like the NFL film stuff in USJet. That's about it. Yeah, no, I'll definitely be getting into that. I can't wait, but I've got a few more reaction videos to go and then we'll be cracking. Oh yeah, plenty of time to do it. I was just curious because it's like, it does get extremely complicated because you said you bought Madden, right? Yeah. Oh my God, I'm getting confused with that. Yeah. Well, just like, honestly, Madden's a great way to learn the sport. If you don't worry about playing it and watch and see the schemes when they have like the nickel, the diamond, all those packages, in that way you can see how they're all the positions. That way you can understand like what it is, like what a spy is, what a man coverage is, what a zone coverage is and all that stuff on defense. Like that's why, if you ever want to learn it, my point I think on that was what, the reason why watching Tom Brady is so boring, like you didn't have much to say in your reaction video because there isn't much to react to Tom Brady. Because watching Tom Brady in like a paint manning, even though paint manning had a really strong arm, he did a lot of long balls, is they break down the defense faster than the, they know what the defense is doing before the defense itself knows what they're doing. Like, so you, to be able, so watching them on that type of level is totally different than watching it on a physical level. So that's what's so great about them, you know? So that's understanding the sport in like to that degree of understanding plays which gets confusing as hell. Have you ever heard them call a play and how many words are involved in one play? Yeah, it's absurd. I sit down like, what did he just say? He's like eagle. Well actually, I mean, is it the last word or last number? No, what happens is you have like, I don't know this for sure like anymore, but it was, they have like the package which will say it would be like eagle. Then they have like, they'll say a letter like X which will be, you know, then, so each thing will represent something for the lineman, something for the receiver, something for the backs. That's why you'll see some people break off quick. So they hear what they're gonna hear. Like a number will represent, you know, where we'll say where the lineup is. Three guys on one side, two guys on the other side. The lineman will hear how they have the blocks or their blocking scene. They're blocking for a pass, they're blocking for a run, they're blocking for a seven step drop, and they're blocking, you know, for things like that. You know what I mean? So that's why the quarterback has to be the smartest guy. He has to know what everybody's doing. You know, in the, you know, if it's a passing play, you have to know the route. So the route will be mixed in there, mixed with the number, you know, it's, you just have to know what your key point is. So that's why, that's why they're so long. You have to know those things. You know, it's absurd, but I couldn't imagine having to memorize all that. These quarterbacks in college, they're not only learning a couple hundred plays, but they're doing their studies as well, I'm sure. You have to. I mean, a lot of, you get, there's a lot of controversy about jerk off classes and people taking these bullshit courses and getting, you know, free grades and all the stuff along the way. But, you know, a majority of them aren't, the smarter, better programs realize that the bigger schools, they have rep, they have rep, reputations to uphold, and the students actually still want it. There's a lot of students who want to do well. And, you know, in high school, it's the same way. You can't, you can't graduate high school if you don't have good grades. No one's going to take you. You know, even if you're a good athlete, you're not going to be able to play. You know, cause they- I like that. Yeah. And it's a big, the thing is at NFL has a program set up too, that if you leave early, like you leave like your junior year for the draft, get drafted, that they have a program for the off season for you to go back and finish your classes and get your diploma and stuff. So they're good with things like that, but yeah, you have to do classes. Otherwise, you know, and a lot of pro teams look at that. It's not like basketball. Basketball, they don't care. They do one and done, and that's it. You know, I think it's silly. I don't think you're teaching kids or human beings many skills by doing that, life skills. You think a person gets hurt, you know. They don't teach them anything about balance and money or a checkbook or responsibilities. Yeah, they're there. Well, you've heard horror stories of people blowing their whole fortunes, haven't you? Oh, yeah, all the time. A lot of them on betting, a lot of pro athletes like to bet all their money away. Like, how did you lose $400 million? Like, seriously? I couldn't, you know, I couldn't imagine losing $400. You don't have my $400 million. It makes me sad, really. It's a joke, but that's just the reality of it. When you're young, say you're 19 years old, now you signed a contract, you got $10 million in your pocket, and you came from a culture where nobody understood that amount of money, so now you don't know what to do with it except buy the stuff that you've never had before for everybody you've ever known, which is ridiculous. You know, it's like, it's a sad culture to be in, but, you know, they do have symposiums and stuff to teach these kids, but it's up to them to listen. You know, it's the sad reality with sports and, you know, but that's like that with anything. If you go off and like, you know, what your clothing line takes off, and I hope it does for you, you know, you'll reach the point where you'll be so overwhelmed that you went from a $20,000 company to next year you're half a million dollar company to, you know, hopefully the year after that, you're a million dollar company. There's a huge difference between a $20,000 company and a million dollar company, and no one's ever taught you the difference. You know what I mean? You're learning as you go. You know what I mean? So I hope that's a problem you have. Yeah. Someday. Well, I hope so too, man. I was only up until recently that I, whether it was going to be clothing, whether it was going to be electronics, whether it was going to be something else, it was building a personal brand. I mean, this is, that's what it was about. I don't know if we'll probably talk about that in a bit, but it wasn't necessarily going to have to be clothing, but I've always liked clothing and there's a lot of clothing brands out there that I'm thinking you're successful, but your clothes look like shit. I mean, let me try this myself. And so that's what I did. That's how it starts. I mean, you buy, you know, for me, I was, when I started making t-shirts, I got sick of the fact that everything looked like a fucking t-shirt. I like stuff for women. I'm big on women than what I like to see women in. So I decided to take guys' t-shirts, blank ones, painting them myself and customizing them myself. Like I like to how they look to fit a certain way and do whatever. So that's what I did for a while just because I wanted to do it. You know what I mean? And I still, I just do it for my own photo shoots because I was sick of buying stuff that I couldn't get or that I imagined in my head that didn't exist, you know? And like for me, workout clothes, I tried everything. Yeah. I wear- To be honest, I didn't even really realize this before, but the look that I like is the football top, man. It's baggy, you know? The sleeves come right past the bicep. They're not freaking tight as hell up here. You know what I mean? Like I like that look. And I also like that kind of stuff on a girl, like you just said. So a baggy jumper, a baggy hoodie or that sort of a tomboy look. So at the moment, that's where we're hitting it. Perfect. It's a great idea. And like there was, believe it or not, up until I wanna say, I'll say five years ago, very recently, at least within this decade, the NFL, they wasn't making, nobody was making, Nike has the NFL contract now, but they weren't making clothes for women. Can you believe it? Like the biggest market of buying clothes, they didn't have one. So an actress, Alyssa Milano, started her own line, licensing out, getting the licenses to sell that stuff. And it became like the biggest, you know, like I'm like, how do you, how does nobody understand that? It was beyond my comprehension, you know, doing that. But I mean, I break it down to like, I just wanna, like I got so tired of whatever what was, nothing looked good on a bigger guy that I cared for, you know? So I had to like go and start cutting up my own regular cotton stuff and whatever else would fit how I fit. You know, like, I like certain materials that Adidas made on sweatshirts. So I was cutting those up for me, you know? And things like that, you know? So I totally get you on it. Yeah, it's a whole new learning curve for me, mate. As far as fabric quality, what they called, you know, what certain jargon in the clothing world. So hard. It's so hard. I'm getting, I got a lot of things on my plate the moment, man. But it's all good. Oh, it's crazy. It's a, my dad was a, he lived over in Thailand for a while. And for actually a long while. And he does a lot of, he used to find me in the factories for anything. I do, I'm good friends of this business partner over here. I remember I asked him, I go, what is it that you guys make? He goes, we don't say no to anything. We'll figure it out. We find whatever. So you ever need, like, packaging's their big thing that they spend a lot of time on. If you ever get to the point where you need to fake, find, try to find, I don't care, manufacturers or whatever else and whatnot, you know, let me know and I can hopefully try and point you out. I'm all glad to speak. I've been struggling. I've found, you know, AliBaba.com. That's where I started basically. Okay. So, but... So what do you look, are you looking for textiles? Is that what it is right now mostly? Well, before I could approach anyone to actually get something made, I needed tech packs, right? Yeah. Well, at first I didn't even know what one was. So over the last few months, I've been getting those made. So I have tech packs for six garments. Yeah. These are the first six garments we're gonna be bringing out. And at the moment, I'm going through an Australian company who deals with manufacturers in Thailand or China or Bangladesh. They get everything made. It gets quality checked in Australia, all packaged, everything like that. And then they send those boxes to me wherever I bought my distribution warehouse or whatever. So it's gonna be a higher price because I'm not directly going through the manufacturer. But as far as communication, as far as if things go wrong, I'm dealing with an Australian company. So for this first round of stuff, it's gonna cost me a bundle. Hopefully I can make a bit of profit on it, but that's not what it's about. It's about getting a quality product and having people happy with it. And because if I could do all the marketing I want, all of the marketing, all the promotion, everything. If it's not a good product, people aren't gonna be happy about it. And I think that a successful business is built on return customers. And that's what I wanna try and get, man. One of the best learning things that, I didn't personally go through, but through my, when I was like, I like to study where things are made, what the process is. Just for fun when I see something, you know what I mean? I wanna know where it came from, why and whose manufacturing. I think obviously knowing my father and going through that with him and living in Thailand and knowing that like Reebok or Nike's were made there or whatever else, certain ones were there and then whatnot. So anyway, in learning about knockoffs and stuff, I wanted to know about those things. So there's a company here in America that is known for making the world's best sweatshirt. That's basically all they, they probably make other things, but all they're known for is a sweatshirt that takes about, I don't know, six months to get. Cause they can't keep up with the man. This has been on going on for about three or four years now. They just dig with it. I don't even remember because I wanted to buy one. I'm like, I was too impatient to wait to wait. It was a, and it's just, that's like, I do no major marketing, just a new story that just kept them going after that. But that people, it was all word of mouth. They found one product and just did it well. Like they researched it or whatever else, you know what I mean? That just, that always blew my mind, you know, when I saw that, as far as clothing was concerned, you know? And so what's, so it took off from a new story. No, I think beforehand it was impossible to get. It was one of those like, you know, I don't know if you have LL bean down there or whatever else. One of those kind of bougie, like I go hiking, but this jacket cost me four hundred dollars type of shit. And, but people just knew in that, that circle. So it was so hard and it just kind of rolled from there. You know what I mean? It's gotta be a reason why though. It's gotta be like top quality or something. Oh it is, it's gotta be. I don't know what it is. I wanted to get one and find out, but like I said, I was way too impatient the way, the way, which is stupid. That's a good problem to have. Yeah, thanks also. I mean, talk about knowing you have work for a while, you know? So like I look up stories like that all the time. It's incredible. I'm sure you've researched companies who started off where you're starting off, you know, the same way, you know? A lot of, yeah. I mean, a lot of my research is through YouTube to get real life experiences from other people who've done it. And that's why I like YouTube so much, man, because it's real, but some people are real. Some people aren't. But you can sort of see through the cracks, I think, and sift out the real ones. Here's a, I'm gonna show you a book. I always keep in my studio, hold on a second, so you can look it up. I gotta be honest, the screen has, it's frozen. Is it? Yeah. That's weird, all right. So you can't see my book. All right, well anyway, it's called Street Wear. And it's a history of all the major United, the Street Wear companies that started in the United States all the way from the 80s to about, I wanna say maybe about 10 years ago. So it gives you a backstory and everything else because they all started where you are. Not knowing a thing and just starting off. It's so inspiring to hear the stories because a lot of the companies that are around now, a lot of the companies from when I grew up that I recognize the names of and they're knowing why they did it, what their influences were and whatnot. Some of them are still around, so you could actually research them and see how they're doing and stuff. But Street Wear's always been like that. It's like, Underama has a story like that too, Nike has their story, but those are too big. You know what I mean? Like I wanna know people who can do it from home. You know what I mean? And started that way with like, five guys coming to their apartment just printing stuff out and doing whatever they could do and not giving into certain norms like one company that I like called the Hundreds. Celebrities wear their stuff and they've never given them any celebrity endorsement stuff any of the clothes away for free. They just stuck to their guns, did the way they did it and they started back in the early 2000s in the apartment or whatever else and they're huge. You gotta believe in yourself. For sure. You obviously do. If you don't believe in yourself, you don't believe in your product, it's not gonna work. No, yeah. And you might need to, you might have to be a little bit delusional at first, but who cares, man? No, I mean. Make it until you beat it, I say. Well, if you're not delusional, then you're not gonna have the vision. It's as simple as that. That's where they come from. Exactly, man. You're not gonna dream that big dream at first and it seems completely unachievable, but man, just take the small steps and it starts getting. You have to be a little bit crazy in any form of putting yourself out there and investing in yourself in some way or convincing other people to take something that seems so so normal and regular in making it your own and believing in it. Cause people will always say they believe in you, but people don't always do anything for you. And it's a huge lesson that I learned that I had to go and do things on my own because my friends are great friends. Don't get me wrong, but they're not gonna do shit for me if I need them to, you know? And they all, everybody wants to work with you, but no one actually wants to do any work. So I said, screw it about five years ago and said, I'm gonna do with my own. I don't care. Like this podcast was originally supposed to be done with somebody. He never showed up. Screw it. I said, I'm gonna do it anyway. You know, and I don't know what my, where I'm going with it or whatever it is, but I know that this is why I like to talk. I like to meet people and some odd reason people like to listen to me. So if I can just combine them and till I figure out what works and so be it, you know? But I'm gonna do it even if I'm gonna have 10 listeners a week or eventually have, you know, a thousand listeners a week, whatever it is, you know? I'm gonna- It's only gonna grow, man. Just stick at it. Whatever you're doing, stick at it. And any intention is good attention, I guess. It's not a vanity thing at all. It's the fact that you're proud of your product and you're being yourself and you wanna put it out there. And if people wanna listen and come on board, then that would be great. And I mean, like, do you have a product or anything like that that you can monetize or sell? Yeah, I have my paintings in my store. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay, well, I mean, surely business is picked up with the growth of your podcast and your Instagram page and things like that. Yeah, I'm actually using the podcast to piggyback all the other stuff, which is kind of odd because they're not even related. But yeah, like, it's like, it's just an extension of, if you listen, if someone was to listen to me, they're gonna understand where my influences come from my other stuff. You know, it's one thing that sees, for me it's one thing to see somebody do something. Like, I could watch you be an athlete, watch you train. Or they never watch your reaction videos and always think you're one way. You're just this bodybuilder who likes rugby and can break it down really well. But when you see your personality come out in your reaction videos, it changes it. You can understand the passion that goes into those other things now. You know what I mean? I'm so, I pinched myself, man. I'm so glad that I decided to pick up my balls. I've said it before, put myself out there, be myself. You know, accept the trolls that were gonna come. And if you're in far between, I must say I'm very lucky. You are lucky. I'm in section, extremely positive. It's awesome. But yeah, I had to make that choice and I could never have imagined that this would happen. You know, it's still unbelievable. I'm pinching myself, mate. It's awesome. And I mean, it's only 50,000. Like, it's not huge amounts of numbers, but I think if I just keep doing what I'm doing, keep being myself, keep grinding, not put too many videos out too often, which is my fricking struggle right now because I've got so many that I've made. I just don't want to piss anyone off, but, you know, it seems like everybody's just getting a great reaction and let's keep it going. I'm having fun, man. Being myself, I'm having fun and that's the magic. That's it. I mean, you can't, like people will ask, like what's your standard thing? Like, you know, for podcasts once a week, for YouTube videos once a week. And for me, it's just like, I'm trying to start off a branch off of my own podcast and, you know, have it twice a week because I'm sure people will always want to hear me. I don't have that much like interviews to backlog, but there's other information I want to get out there, but other things that I enjoy doing that I want to get out there too. You know, so it's just like, I don't want to do that standard stuff, you know, and Joe Rogan doesn't do it. You know, he just, every time he interviews someone, he goes up instantly, you know, like, I don't want to be like, oh, every Wednesday, right now I'm every Tuesday, you know, but I want to get to the point where like, I did something's going up, this is going up. I will never put anything up on the weekend. It's the only rule I have. I won't put anything up on the weekends because nobody pays attention around here on the weekends of anything. So we'll actually hear me. People don't listen to podcasts on the weekends. They're out doing stuff. People will listen to podcasts. I'm trying to work out what would be the best time to post a video or two per day, but I'm sort of, obviously with the time difference, I'm going to be, and I'm posting a video for you guys to wake up to. So I don't know, would you say in the morning or at night would be my best bet? At night, because I had to figure out, like even on Instagram, when the best time to post was, you know, like Tuesday afternoons at 11 o'clock at the best time for me to post. I don't know why, but it's the most popular time in Thursdays. But as far as your video is... It's awesome that they have stats and analytics like that to look at. I mean, you and I, that kind of brain, it's perfect for us. And I was able to actually, you know, like I found out they had those things. I'm like, well, I'm going to figure this out for myself. So I did it, you know, and getting comparisons or whatever else. So like my podcast, I realized that podcasts, people listen to them in traffic. Students listen to it in between classes, you know, and things like that. So when were the situations? You know what I mean? I'm jealous, I'm jealous because I'd love to be in your position to host a podcast one day. Oh, I mean, you absolutely will get that. You're inspiring me, man. Well, thank you. I mean, I'm sure one day you'll be, I know this won't be the last time I have you on here anyway. For yours, like me personally, I get home, like if I'm out all day and I get down to my studio, I watch your videos while I paint. And so that's usually for me, it'd be four o'clock in the afternoon-ish. You know what I mean? And that's usually when people get second home from work. And I have you on notifications. So I always get, it always shows up on my computer. And it shows up in my email, which is, you're the only one who actually shows up in my email. It's weird. I don't know how many. I don't either, but it tells me every time. But yeah, it always shows up on my home screen on my computer. So those are the times that I watch, but most people- Well, I think podcasts, I think man, podcasts are the way things are going. I think, I love them, man. If I've got a topic that I wanna research, it hasn't been, well, you know, if I was doing this football thing off camera, I'd be listening to podcasts because if I've ever got a topic or a subject or something I wanna learn, I will be doing my day-to-day tasks, whether it's washing or cleaning up or bopping the floor, doing the dishes, whatever. I'll have a podcast in my ears. Yeah, I do the same thing. It's a waste of time, otherwise, seriously. That's how I feel. Yeah, I mean, I look at everything. People, actually it's funny, because a lot of people, and I bring this up all the time, for example, a lot of people ask why I wake up so early and why I rarely sleep. And I was just like, because there's so many other things I could be doing, even if it's just thinking and listening to somebody else or reading, if I'm not taking the opportunity to learn something or do something, then I'm wasting time. And that's the way, I have to accomplish it. That's how I feel, man. That's it with the podcast. But you do have to get some sleep, bro. Oh, no, I do, I do. I nap, I'm a napper. I like napping in the afternoon. I don't function well between 1 p.m. and 3 p.m. I hate it. My least favorite time of day. Can't stand it, never could like it. There's nothing that goes on. I don't give a shit about it. I don't know if it came from my coaching days because I didn't start coaching until three o'clock in the afternoon. I hated the anticipation of waiting to coach because I love coaching so much. But I can't do it between one, between one and 3 p.m. I can't do it. But as far as you, like I said, for you when you have videos and people around here, most people I'm assuming are on YouTube. If they're college kids, they can be anywhere from first thing in the morning and then late in the afternoon and night watching. Everything in between, they're in classes. If they're people who have normal jobs, I don't know, your age group. But at night is the time when everybody's watching them. I watch on my computer. So I don't know. I do watch YouTube channels on my phone, but I'd rather watch your videos on my computer, certainly. Well, as you know, man, all of those analytics, all that data I get. So it's probably, I'd say it's probably about 60, 70% on a phone, maybe even 80% looking at them on the phone. So I need to be aware of things like that. So that's made me realize that I need to pump up the sound a little bit on some videos. Because on phones, unless you're listening to headphones, and that's what I would say to anyone, I'd recommend if you're gonna listen to something on your phone, listen through headphones. But as you, where I'm sure, but yeah, just knowing that and then realizing, I've gotta make the sound a little bit higher so that people can hear this. But then I've got this issue where I'm grabbing the audio from the camera that's sitting there. So it's picking up the audio coming through my computer speakers, as well as me speaking. So it's not the best audio, to be honest. And moving forward, I'm gonna have to sort of change it. Somehow, I don't know how, but that's just the nature of the beast, isn't it? Anything you've gotta make changes. As we learned when I started off this podcast, I couldn't figure out what the hell was going on. Yeah, I know what you mean. But with yours, you just have to buy a mic and you're good and record your audio differently. It seems so. It's fucking amazing, man. That's what it is. It's amazing to me that just being yourself, having fun has created such a great audience. That's one of those things where as an example, me as a photographer, most of my work is all word of mouth and has always been that way because of, I had a girlfriend who was a photographer at one point and she was very professional, amazing to work with, amazing photographer, but she was the photographer and then she was her. And it wasn't much different, but it sounded different. So when people would come to me and I mostly photograph females, they come to me. I was kind of like that and I was just like, I couldn't do it because it would affect my outcome of my work. So I was just like, I just gotta be me 100%. If I have something mean to say, then I will say something mean. Well, whatever they consider it, but I had to be me. By being that way, I got way better response from my clients and the girls that came to me because they didn't wanna be, well, not all of them, but 99% of them I'll say, because I wasn't gonna sugarcoat how attractive they were because I don't care. They're clearly here for that reason. So I learned that about myself too, was that being me in that way and being me on this podcast is what people like because they can see whatever I type for a comment or a comment back and thanking people versus hearing me actually say what I say because I don't hold any punches. And that's why people have been friends with me supposedly for so long is because I never gave a shit and I still don't. So that's my attitude that helped for me. I don't have to happy go like you do, but I'll have fun with you. But I'm gonna swear, I'm gonna tell you what's up. I don't care about really anybody much things all the time. And it worked and you're right, you were so right. And that's why enhanced, your videos now for me at least have enhanced all your other ones before. I feel like that too. Yeah, yeah, because I never had an opportunity to be myself, you know, to, I don't know, just, this is, and it's a subject I'm passionate about, man. And as you guys know, I mean, this is, I love looking up speeds. I love looking up, I will, and I guess I have put a bit of a unique spin on it in the fact that I don't just watch a video. If I see something I wanna know about, I will research it and that's exactly what I'd do if I was sitting at home without the camera on. Yeah. You know what I mean? So yeah, it's, I'm having, as I keep saying, man, I'm just having fun and this whole journey, man, this whole journey will become, we'll go full circle when I suit up and have a run in a game. Well, not any into a game, but just somewhere.