 and they talked about innovation and how we're not getting the best people into the government space and go to the government sector. You want to talk a touch on that? So I met the gentleman that was running the panel. I met him three times. Nice, nice guy. Can't remember his name though, sorry. But I mean, at the time he said, he said to me at the third time I went there, he says, you are at least persistent. I said, thank you. I said, I don't think you mean that as a compliment. He says, I don't. But he says, he says, let me be honest with you. He says, the 809 panel was basically commissioned to find out the efficiencies and we are never going to side with small business. He says, it's not personal. We're making the recommendation to Congress though, because that's what we see. And it's just, you know, he gave me a well reasoned, I think, a logical argument. I mean, he was anticipating it. By the end of the day, he says, you're not going to change my mind. And he says, you know, we're trying to do something for all of government. But at the end of the day, he says, the way that it's written direct and this is not his words per se, it's been a while. But he gave me the impression he said that hitting goals for goals sake is a noble idea. But it is not necessarily an efficient idea. He says in general, he says, you know, he said, if in theory, you know, huge government contract company could do all of the work better than anyone else, we would make a recommendation that they go with them. And I said, okay, he says, this is not personal. They're asking us what is the fastest way to get there. And this is it. And he says, government is not designed for them. And he says, if there's any hope, he says, there are lots of people that don't agree with us. So what's interesting that you just mentioned, one of the motivational speakers, and I can't think of their name says, we need to ask better questions. So I think that goes to the government asked a specific question and they're getting the answers for that question. So I think Congress probably didn't ask the right questions. Yep. Well, and, and so because again, like he said, that that's the result. Like if you want efficiency, just use Amazon. Yeah. Yep. Yep. So pop solve. Yeah. And if you want, you know, if you want a quality and more opportunity, that is certainly a noble goal, but that is not efficient. Not efficient. Right? You know, it's like, you know, the joke is I'm fat, right? So I say, like, look, if you want me to eat hamburgers fast, I could probably eat them faster than giving each kid an opportunity to take a bite. I like that. Well, that's a good one. You know, I think that we need to have efficiencies because if you look at how government is a lot of times, you know, we, you know, as a government, you can see things. We're not perfect. Right. You know, we've got things that, you know, have worked for 20 years. I mean, my joke with these programs was I'd start my speech and said, okay, you know, to all this crowd, right? Except for your spouse. What do you have that is 30 years old that still works as well today? 30 years ago. I said, that's kind of the situation that I walked into. Most of the regulations that are in place, I actually wrote in 1990. So let's, you know, I've had a bunch of time to look at things that were working. It didn't work. And it was a combination of, of our ability to do it. And it's our ability to do it quickly. And was it actually a good idea? I didn't want to, I didn't want to do something just so I could wave my flag and leave and get a better job or something like that. But I wanted to do something that was meaningful. I mean, I, you know, I believe that, I believe that I had a lot of luck. I'll just say that I think my mother, you know, my mother in heaven was looking out for me, but she gave me the perfect situation. And she knows that I was okay, I'm not here. I'm not here for myself. I'm here because this agency in this industry has provided me with, with, you know, a pathway and a goal. And it's, it's given me a purpose. And I just wanted to try to do something that was efficient and effective that helps everybody, right?