 Welcome back to the original gangsters podcast. I'm here in the man cave We have a special zoom edition update here. It's actually the the the class of 23 2.0 would that be the we don't have to read like, you know, like apocalypse now a redux Class of 23 part 2 redux, right? So so Scott dropped this episode and Benny dropped this episode a day or so ago and There was a there was a comical moment. Let's just be honest a comical moment Misforting of the of the situation The the Bath Avenue crew is one of the things we're going to talk about this is gonna be a shorter episode But that's one of the things we're going to be talking about and we noticed in the comments that Apparently, I think Scott at some point you said that the boys Because I said it a couple times. I was saying Bath Street boys, which sounds like backstreet boys As I was saying it and I'd actually written it I Could tell that there was something amiss But I didn't go back and don't and I I know it was the Bath Avenue crew. I've read I've read all the books I've talked to all the people that you need to talk to I'm and I have to be obviously more buttoned up You can't make those kind of mistakes if I want to be taken seriously Reporting on East Coast New York Mafia, so I apologize. It's obviously the Bath Avenue crew But let's just jump in just like the first, you know solo quick hitter I did the first class in 2023 where we talked about for Pretty prominent New York five family good fellas that were coming out of prison and just last couple months three Columbos Joe Montelion Tommy Dioli Tommy shots and Chuck E Russo and then the Lucchese Concealerie Joe D. Joe DeNapoli two more guys hit halfway houses last week and there are two guys that One is a as a fast riser right now Andrew Campos from the Gambino sunny Campos is a guy that people are Predicting will be a future administrator in the Gambino crime family and then The bath at the Prince of Bath Avenue Fabrizio the herder the Francisi defend Chichi, I don't know. I don't friend Francisi is how I understand how to pronounce it. So they both Fabrizio did 23 years Andy Campos only did about two and a half, but they're both back in New York City right now And just shameless self-promotion if you are new to our video channel by the way Please subscribe to us on YouTube and spread the word on social media But if you're new to our video channel, we have a lot of audio episodes with other really prominent guests that You can find on either Apple or Spotify or whatever and we had an interview with Jack Falcone or Jack Garcia Who was an undercover FBI agent who infiltrated the Gambino family and he knew Campos personally And he had some insight into Campos So if people want to know a little bit more about that check out our episode with Garcia We should try to get him on our video Show at some point, but you could check that out if you want to learn more about him You'll be talking about Andy Campos in that episode and he's a guy that has been being groomed for big things in the mafia since the 90s You know going through some court records and FBI documents related to him The the family the Gambino family hasn't been run by the Goddys for well over a decade Yeah, I would say going back 15 16 years now 17 years the Sicilian wing of that family has has taken control But even though Andy Campos, I believe he's 52 53 years old He was he was kind of plucked From the street in the 1990s when he was in his 20s by junior Goddy Tori Luccasio who was the son of John Goddy's conciliary Frankie low Frankie Luccasio and another guy named Richie Martino and In Campos is just like the the definition of the of the 21st century gangster guy who's really polished really well spoken is Really tough in the white collar rackets, but is respected on the street as well Yeah, my understanding is he's a big earner and that that's one of the main reasons Well, people people seem to genuinely like him, but that he's a he's a big earner, which will you know that that's definitely important Especially these days. He's connected to you and we went to high school and graduated with with Sean Puffy combs Mount st. Michael's I think it is out of the Bronx and We know puffy we've talked about puffy combs on this on this pod before his dad Melvin combs was a drug dealer in Harlem under Nicky Barnes back in the 70s was murdered and Andy Campos was the star quarterback of that football team in the class of 87 so would have been the 86 football season I guess and puffy combs was a was a wide receiver defensive back and You know fast forward 10 years from then into the late 90s One was a up-and-coming mob superstar and one was a up-and-coming hip-hop mogul Do we have any understanding? I mean are they do these socialize with each other ever? They did back then right I wonder if more recently because I can't remember if I if I've heard that or not that well They were the tabloids were We're writing about him in the late 90s when puffy was on the ascent Yeah, they both were on this scent. Yeah, puffy was was coming into the you know For the for the youngsters got for them for the people that might be like let's say 35 and under When puffy blasted on to the scene in the late 90s, it was it was saturation, man I mean he was all over the place. This is before social media before during the infancy of the internet and He was just a pop culture phenomenon so people were looking to Write about him in any way possible and then he got into trouble with J. Lo and the shooting and In 99 there was a club shooting that he was tied to and then people were immediately when that happened a Lot of the journalism Quickly pivoted to what shady underworld connections puffy might have and I know that Some of his interactions with with Campos came up then and in the tabloids. I don't know what you know Campos did some time in the 2000s With with toilet castio and Richie Martino and he took this most recent case with Richie Martino as well It's a lot of white collar stuff in the In the early 2000s late 90s Richie Martino was a pioneer in In internet rackets credit card rackets calling card rackets he really Created the template the blueprint for all the five families think to jump you know headfirst into the you really the 21st century underworld landscape and They they took a case back then they were they like they invented some internet scam where You would sign up for a porn site. Yeah, I remember you rip your your credit card number. Yeah Try to get back on to the porn site. You couldn't get back on and then they had your credit card, right? Wasn't got a junior implicated Yeah, so And then in the last case which was Another kind of white collar fraud racketeering he was Followed going up to see Frankie Locke Frankie Luccasio quite a bit in the in the 2010s and there's pictures of them behind bars So he was running with top guys, you know, oh geez from the old school Yeah, so, you know, he's lived in Westchester, but has his ties in the Bronx so it should be Interesting to watch him over the next decade or two and where he's going and in the Gambino crime family You know switching over to Fabrizio That's a that's an incredibly compelling riveted riveting narrative of that Bath Avenue crew and What it started out as What they wanted to be and then what they ultimately were because Fabrizio's the only it was a group of half dozen to a dozen childhood friends from Bath Avenue Brooklyn that that came up under the then conciliary and acting boss Anthony Spiro of the Banano crime family and After you know ten years or so of tutelage Everybody was either dead in prison had flipped But Fabrizio was the last man standing and he was the only one to get a button out of that whole crew Yeah, well Tommy Reynolds, he wasn't Italian He couldn't he couldn't yeah, he couldn't and the but Jimmy Klandra There's some big names that were in that group Holly Brass crazy Joe Calco Yeah, and these guys were it was like, you know a real life Bronx tale But but moved into the 1980s and instead of one guy you had a whole group of childhood friends that were were taken under the wing of Anthony Spiro and They went from Aaron boys to collectors They were doing hits for him when they were just out of their teens and Polly Brass Polly Galena was was the leader and he was the one that I think most wanted a button and most wanted to become a mob soldier and then a boss and What happened to him kind of mirrored what happened to that whole crew and Spiro his daughter got robbed her house got robbed and Spiro gave the contract to kill the guy that had robbed the house to the Bath Avenue boys to come To make their bones and they they got rid of the guy I think his name was Bickleman Vince Bickleman of any Bickleman and At that point they all especially Polly Brass thought they deserved to get made and they were beefing with some other JV mobs around the area and Polly Brass didn't feel like Anthony Spiro was backing him enough in in these disputes and was telling him to Stand down in some rivalries that had developed and then they wanted to he wanted to settle it Diplomatically and Polly Galena want he wanted to he wanted permission that to go to war with this other like JV crew Yeah, you're a wasn't wasn't going to sign off on that. Yeah, and in the summer of 93 is when everything started to unravel They got into what became it wasn't even a physical altercation it was Polly Brass put his hands on Anthony Spiro and pushed him or hit him I Think you shoved him. Yeah, and Spiro just walked away and it wasn't like He was gonna then settle it. He was he was like, I'm gonna walk away And I'm gonna put a contract on your head and your best friends are gonna come kill you in the next couple days And and that's what happened. Yeah, Galena seemed that he was on that projection to get made although I think he had a reputation as a hothead but He did he was on that projection, but he made it obviously a fatal mistake, but a couple months before that There was a botched home invasion that ended in the murder of a Long Island housewife and that's what sent a lot of these guys to jail including Fabrizio So it was the I think it was February of 93 the Shemtav family Sam Shemtav was a mob associate Jewish guy that that ran adult entertainment type businesses and there was word that he had hundreds of thousands of dollars in the safe in this house and And the Bath Avenue crew showed up and ended up killing his wife Tk Reynolds ends up killing his wife Tk Reynolds Allegedly was also the shooter that killed Polly brass and he's the only one that's still in prison right now But he's got an out date. He'll be out in about six or seven years. Yeah, that's my understanding but Fabrizio Uh survived all of it everyone else I said they were either dead crazy Joey Calpo flip Jimmy Calanda was in prison or eventually would flip Tk Reynolds was in jail or I don't Tk Reynolds was in jail yet, but uh Fabrizio got his button in 90 late according to FBI records. It was late 98 or early 99 and He was sponsored at that point Spiro was in prison, I'm not sure if he was dead yet, but he was definitely locked up and Anthony Graziano tg is who sponsored Fabrizio and Joey Massino made him Yeah, it's he seems to be the last, you know last man standing from that from that crew and we'll see It reminds me of the Sopranos episode that was sort of your you know You're a point of departure for this naming these episodes that and you know a lot has changed and I believe he'll be under supervised release for at least a couple years. Yeah, couple years at least which um, I would say like I think some people who aren't from the streets overstate The importance of that in terms of uh, thinking that that guys totally hide in their basement And and are not communicating with other guys from the street. I would just say I think things are more complicated than that But I think it's more complicated than that a lot of these guys are natural gamblers both literally and figuratively And they'll roll the dice there's I don't want to say that You have a good chance. I'm not getting caught, but I don't think it's As like you're saying about in terms of perception and reality. I don't think there's as much scrutiny Yes, unless you're A John Gotti right Uh, I don't think there's as much scrutiny with who you're running with but if you happen to be Meeting somebody and then there's a surveillance crew looking at those guys Or you have informants tipping off parole officers and FBI agents of who you're meeting with But uh, I don't think necessarily every time you leave the house. You've got a tail on you. No, and there's and also um You still have a reason or the feds are some of the resources They don't have the resources, but I would put this out there that even when if they know that you're in violation This is sort of an example of a tickling the wire. Sometimes sometimes the feds, you know sneaky mother They want they want to see who you're meeting with and like what the vibe is and who you're interacting with and uh So even if you're in violation and they know about it, they may not necessarily Uh, you know break your balls on that Just look at my camera out there. Look at mickey mancusa right now the boss of the bananos Uh, he's facing a um a supervised release violation and they waited I think a little bit until they put it into a court filing last year and uh, he'd been out for three years Before they let it know let it be known that he had violated and now of course, yeah now they're going back and forth about If he's got to go back and serve time And it's still being strung out, but I think mickey mancusa might be a little bit different than someone like fabrizio I think mickey mancuso is somebody that if they were going to allocate resources In new york those resources would be allocated to people like him and barny of the genovase um And you know lorenzo with the gambinos I don't know if if fabrizio even though he's a a big deal in brooklyn mob lore And for guys like us because of the mythology that's kind of Developed around that bath avenue group I don't know if fabrizio is someone who's necessarily going to have eyes on him Uh, 24 7 Yeah, I'm just from from talking to sources. I don't know about him personally So I don't want to pretend like I I know people that know him But just from talking to other people about what it's like in the life A guy like that probably has a lot of respect on the streets because he did his time and he kept quiet and so You know, if there's a situation like that my understanding is a guy comes home He has a lot of respect probably get some some envelopes to help him get going Um, but a lot of things have changed and you know, I bring it back to this promos I know that's not real but We we you know, we saw those storylines with ritchie aprio or feech lamanna toni blondetto like It would guys that do 20 years or more like a lot can change when they when they in terms of the politics of the underworld um And that that's not only within your own family But but other like uh ethnic crime groups that you're interacting with things are a lot different than 25 years ago technology smartphones So, um, I don't want to just focus on him because I because I don't know him and if he you know If he's getting out he did his time if he's trying to turn his life around I don't want to you know, like like libel this guy and You know, he's I don't know. I mean all the respect of fabrizio, but he's a convicted murderer No, right, right, right, but so if he's if he's not going to be in the life anymore Whatever that that's good for him, but i'm just saying In general these kind of case studies, um, it's interesting to see how things turn out Because you can't always just step right into where where you left off Especially if you've if you've been gone 20 years or longer. Yeah, just to finish Yeah, just finishing up. Let's just segue to the colombos for a second and I think You never know where you're going to slot back in but it definitely helps you if you're someone like chucky russo Who is a part of that persico russo mob dynasty? Uh with the colombos It definitely helps you with those those bloodlines Oh, yeah, and he's always in chuck. He's only seven years old so But uh last thing I want to shout out. Uh arrest in peace Uh a uh an o an og pod obit to a colombo og uh vinnie sicilian vinston gugliaro Uh could have been the oldest member of lakosa nostra in america. I'm not positive, but it's a very good chance died that last month at the age of 85 he was a copo in the colombo crime family from uh The 70s until the 2000s or 80s to the 2000s allegedly retired in the early 2000s But was a guy that rose pretty high in the labor unions out of new jersey He was a member of the old gallow crew that went to war. He fought this guy fought a I wrote about it I said he fought on the front front lines of world war two and then he came home to Brooklyn and he fought on the front lines of the gallow war. Uh, so this guy was uh, this guy was deep in the streets So I'm gonna give a shout out to a vinnie gugliaro and uh vinnie sicilian rip 95 years old So we like doing I think we're gonna do more of these uh these mini episodes. I like them these quick hitters Yeah, it's fun. 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