 This is truly an incredible opportunity to witness Matthew Hayden and Satguru in conversation. Having played for the Chennai Super Kings, Matthew Hayden has an existing strong association to India. And incredibly, he also shares another common cause with Satguru in Cauvery Calling. But today's program is all about going beyond boundaries. And Matthew Hayden knows all about boundaries. So we're eager to see what's going to happen when he meets Satguru and to see how Satguru can take us to the boundless. I would like to please invite Satguru and Matthew Hayden to please take the stage. Thank you. Good evening everyone. I'll just hide this away. I've had an IT mishap straight away. IT, who would have thought? Firstly, I accept the beautiful welcome to country from the Agra people. 60,000 years of human spirit. Goodness me, can you get a longer, more detailed story and respect to those people always? It truly amazes me the sheer volume of people that are inspired by Satguru. I guess for Australians, we feel a very long way away from the spiritual heartlands of India. But on behalf of Australia, we welcome you with great sincerity and with great anticipation as well for this evening which I'm sure will not only be enlightening but will also be a great deal of fun. So on behalf of Australia and Australians, we're a very multicultural society, as you can see by the faces in the room today, the definition of Australia is the faces that we see in front of us from India, Pakistan, Sri Lanka, England, our rural heritage lands, Scotland, Ireland, Wales, South Africa. We truly are represented by... You're missing the Chinese. The Chinese, Japanese. We've actually, let's not even get there because we can list every nation on the planet that's sitting right in front of us tonight. So thank you so much for joining us tonight. Over to you. I said good evening. I think a lot of them have been misled by the title Beyond Boundaries. They think you're going to hit a sixer or something. Well, aren't we? Well, today we're not talking about the ball going beyond boundaries. We're talking about you and me going beyond boundaries. Please. It's a beautiful occasion as always when you get a lot of people in a room. Is there a specific reason why we gathered here in your opinion? What's the force that's dragging us all together? Essentially, the nature of being human is such no matter where you are, what kind of humans you have behind you, you're still longing to be something more. There's something more, somebody may think more money, somebody may think more wealth, more pleasure, more love, more knowledge, but everything that you accumulate in your life only makes the arrangements better but doesn't really enhance your life. So whether it is consciously articulated within a human being or not, but every human being is longing in some way to enhance their lives. Somebody thinks it'll happen by going to the temple. Somebody thinks it'll happen by going to the bar. Somebody thinks it will happen with prayer. Somebody thinks it'll happen with dope. All of them are aiming for the same thing, whether it works or not, it's a different matter. But the longing is in some way to enhance their life. So in this effort, in this longing within every human being which can never be curbed no matter what you do, what you give them, human beings will long for something more. So there is something within every human being longing to be beyond boundaries. Whatever the present boundaries, we want to go beyond that. Or to put it in other words, there is something within you which does not like boundaries. That's why you try to smash them. There is something within a human being which doesn't like boundaries. See, suppose let's say I imprison you in a five by five cubicle, you'll feel terrible, imprison. Tomorrow we will announce your liberation and liberate you into ten by ten cubicle. You'll feel wonderful for a day. And again you'll feel horribly imprisoned. The next day we will release you into a hundred by hundred cubicle. You will feel really great. But within three days, again, that is also imprisonment. It doesn't matter where I set the boundary. The moment you can feel the boundary, you want to break it. There is something within you which does not like boundaries. So this longing finds various sorts of expressions. People try through music, art, sport, business, all these efforts are fine. Every effort is fine. The longing is fantastic. Through intoxication, through stimulation, every way people try, somehow to break their boundaries. But the important thing is, can you stay beyond boundaries? Or do you breach it just for a moment and again come back to the same format? So when this question comes up, there's a very, you know, the Patanjali Yoga Sutras were written like this. It's one of the greatest documents on life, written in a very cryptic way so that scholars wouldn't get interested. That's the idea. Because once they get interested, they will write ten different versions of the same thing. So Patanjali starts this significant document with half a sentence. The sentence is like this, and now yoga, that means you tried money, you tried wealth, you tried relationships, you tried love, you tried pleasure, you tried intoxication, you tried all kinds of things. Everything did something to you, but you know it is not settling you. And now yoga. Happy. So yoga does not mean twisting and turning. Yoga means union. That is, consciously you obliterated the boundaries because your individual nature is just your imagination. As you sit here, your boundaries of your body and your mind are just your making. Right now, constantly you're breathing. It is happening in many different levels, but in the most fundamental way you're breathing. If you close your mouth and hold your nose, you understand you cannot live within your boundary. You have to breach the boundary every moment, otherwise you cannot exist. It is not just in the level of your respiration. Every cell in the body, every atom in the body is in some kind of transaction. If you stop it, you cease to exist. So your very existence is not within the boundaries. But within your psychological framework, you have this sense of this is me. This is because see this solar system, the very solar system in which we are is a tiny speck in this cosmos. In that tiny speck planet earth is a micro speck. In that micro speck Brisbane is a super micro speck. In that you're a big man. There's not a small problem. And in the middle of nowhere we don't know where this cosmos begins, where it ends. We're sitting on this little mud ball and talking all this stuff. Yes? And we think we're doing it. That's the most incredible thing. See this, all this mistake and this confusion has happened because creation gave us an individual experience though we are like a speck of dust in the universe. Though we are a tiny speck a micro speck in the universe it gave us an individual experience. We are taking this individual experience rather too seriously and thinking it's real. No, it's just psychological. It's fantastic. It's the magnanimity of creation that it's given as an individual experience. This does not mean you're actually an individual, you're not. You cannot exist for one moment without everything else around you. All these arrangements you did not make. We've messed it up. But we did not make the you know, arrangements of this atmosphere. We did not make the arrangements of the planet functioning in a certain way. We did not make the arrangements of whatever comes out of this planet nourishes us, keeps us well. This is not our making. So this sense of individuality has been taken too seriously. Because of that no matter where you are in which dimension of life you are you feel somewhere deep inside trapped. So if you think somewhere a little instinct tells you there may be a solution there you will be. Let's focus for a second on collaboration because as an individual can take it that the Isha Foundation is something which is now a global movement. So talk to me about the spirit of collaboration. I mean how you've developed built these organisms like a human body that you might describe yourself as maybe a platelet within the human body but you know there's this huge now juggernaut that's walking and talking around the world. Tell me about the foundations of that thought where it originated from and then the spirit of the collaboration. I don't collaborate with anybody. Whoever either they're in front of me or they're not here with me I make them a part of myself. And this is not my doing. This is the way creation is made. See you may not be you may not be able to stand a person who is sitting next to you but what they exhale you're inhaling without any problem, isn't it? I'm saying essentially your existence is inclusive only your mind is exclusive. I made my mind just the way my life is so it's inclusive. So I don't think in terms of collaborating or confronting anybody I'm just inclusive whether they like it or not I make them a part of my life. That's all. I don't seek other people's permission to make them a part of my life. I just make them a part of my life because I don't need their permission for this. Hello? So out of this things happen in many different ways the various activities essentially the fundamental activity is to raise human consciousness in the sense see right now our sense of who I am is only because too much identity with physical self your physical body is an accumulation isn't it so? Hello? Slowly you came like this just this much now you became this much just by eating isn't it? Hello? What you have eaten is just a piece of this planet. If you get it from now if you get it from me now it'll be good otherwise one day you will get it from the Maggots anyway. It is good then also because for most people that's the only eco-friendly thing they do but if you get it now you could transform your life if you understand the soil that you walk upon the air that you breathe the water that you drink everything around you is actually you happening yes or no? Yesterday what was you is not you today what is not you today could be you tomorrow isn't it? What was soil yesterday today became food tomorrow becomes your body isn't it? So what you call as my body is just an accumulation whatever we accumulate we can claim it is ours but you cannot say it's me say right now I can say this is my vessel if I say this is me you know I've lost it Hello? But this what you're doing every day food appears on your plate you say this is my food you eat it and you say this is me so consciousness means just this if your physical body is dominant you think, feel, act in a certain way because physical body is always about boundaries I'm sorry my physical body is right now leaking a little bit I need to blow my nose Translator Saguru he had a game of golf he didn't wear enough clothes and he got cold and now he's got a cold See he is human I thought I was playing in Chennai I once played in Chennai and I lost badly because I didn't have a glove on and of course it's 40 degrees well 38 degrees and the humidity is 100% big it's just like walking through water I don't know why there's a water crisis in Chennai because it is all around your face because it's all in the air they could just catch they could put a tray underneath you as you moved around and catch that water and it would be enough water to sustain you for another day but I played this round of golf and every time I'd try and hit the ball the club would go further than the ball so I thought forget golf in Chennai sorry you were saying so if your body is dominant you think, feel and act in a certain way because you think through your body or your intelligence works for the boundaries of your body so naturally survival instinct will be the strongest strongest dimension of who you are when survival instinct is strongest you always want to build a wall around yourself when survival instinct is strong you want to build a wall of self-preservation the walls of self-preservation are also walls of self imprisonment what looks like protection today is imprisonment tomorrow has it happened to you or no? different ways hello you build a wall thinking this is protection after two days you realize this is a prison you built of course built by you so you cannot easily demolish it it takes time because so much investment has gone into it if you identify with your psychological process once again the boundaries may be little larger than your body but still it is a boundary because all your psychological process only happens with the identities that you have taken in maybe your race, your religion, your nationality, your ethnicity something you have taken on an identity your psychological framework what works within that see when it comes to body this is my body that's your body clearly we won't get this till we are buried that it's all the same soil but this is my body that's your body right now clearly this is my mind that's your mind here and there we may overlap but this is my mind that's your mind but when it comes to life there is no such thing as my life and your life right now the problem with most human beings sees their physiological and psychological process is too dominant for them to realize that the life that they are is of a different nature than the body and the psychological structures that they have built this is like let's say you and me blew a soap bubbles we should have brought it actually so you got this big bubble I got that big bubble now I claim that is my bubble the big one is my bubble it went poop then I don't say this is my air that's your air life is just like this this is a living cosmos you captured some I captured some now the whole science of yoga is about breaching the boundaries of your psychological and physiological structure so that you imbibe more and more life so after some time the life that you are becomes more dominant than the body that you are than the thought and emotion that you are when your life becomes very significantly more than the psychological and physiological processes if you sit here you are a significant life not necessarily because of what you do and do not do you are just a significant life simply by existence you are significant once it happens like this effortlessly you can function every human being is doing this knowingly or unknowingly most of the time unconsciously some are depleting some are gaining but as there is a science for external well-being there is a whole science and technology for inner well-being where you consciously obliterate the boundaries of your physiological and psychological boundaries so that the life that you are is so highly enhanced that you are a significant life it's not necessarily because of what you do simply your presence and your existence becomes significant this is something every human being must do because in body you are not a match for other creatures you cannot run like a cheetah you are not as strong as an elephant you cannot even hop like a kangaroo you are no good actually physiologically hello, see speak for yourself no, I am saying if you compare yourself with any other creature what does the body do it eats, it sleeps, it dies reproduces and it dies one day in this department you are no good compared to other species they eat better than you there are insects which eat you know, fifty times their body weight in twenty-four hours they sleep better than you many of them sleep for three months six months at a stretch they reproduce better than you they produce in hundreds, thousands some of them in millions for you just to bear one child how much fuss they also die better than you without fuss so physiologically you are not a great champion alright among humans you may be Matthew Haydn may be good among humans not comparable to a rhinoceros or an elephant nothing, not even to a gorilla he'll just smash him up among the human beings he's smashing the ball all the time that's a different matter I'm saying physiologically we are not a great presence our significance is our intelligence and our ability to be conscious and inclusive every other creature always trying to set boundaries because their whole life is about survival once you become a human survival is not the goal of your life see for all other creatures stomach full full life settled for human beings stomach empty only one problem food stomach full one hundred problems because what is human unfolds only after survival is taken care of when survival is question we are also just like any other creature fighting for survival only when survival is taken care of other dimensions of being human come into play so human life is not about survival physical survival is not the end goal of who we are we are longing to be something more how much more do you think would settle you hello how much more would settle you if I make you the king of this planet or queen of this planet would you settle no what do you want okay the solar system no if I give you one galaxy you will want the next galaxy this is the nature of being human doesn't matter where the boundary is the moment I see the boundary I want to break it so there is something within you longing to become boundless if you do not find expression to this do not matter what you have you remain somehow unfulfilled so this is what yoga means that you breach the boundaries of your physiological and psychological nature that if you sit here you are a complete human being within yourself tell me this then if our strength is only in our intelligence why are we making such dismal decisions as a humanity why can we honestly say that history does repeat itself and we are talking about all sorts of global atrocities if we are so intelligent if that is our strength which I agree 100% with you on the fact is that we have got boundaries in terms of our physicality acknowledge that for sure see you know Charles Darwin you have a city called Darwin named after him he said a goat could have become a giraffe in so many million years a pig could have become an elephant in many more million years but a monkey became a man rather too quickly yes so quickly that anthropologists believe that there is a missing link somewhere today modern genetic scientists are saying the difference between a chimpanzee and you is in terms of DNA the DNA difference between you and a chimpanzee is 1.23% 1.23% is not much of a difference isn't it so physiologically that's how close you are to a chimpanzee but in terms of your intelligence and consciousness there is your world support from a chimpanzee so right now the problem is just this you have an intelligence you don't have a stable enough base because of this people are using their intelligence to poke themselves all the time they don't need any outside help if you just leave them alone they will suffer so they may call it stress they will call it tension they will call it misery they will call it madness they will call it so many things essentially it's about your intelligence turning against yourself so with an intelligence with a phenomenal capability anything which is a great possibility if you don't take charge of it it will become a huge problem right now human intelligence has become a massive problem because most people have not taken charge of it for their well-being and everybody's well-being they are using it to hurt themselves once you use it to hurt yourself knowingly or unknowingly do you understand everything around you? if you are suffering you must understand this it is not because of any situation around you you are simply suffering because you do not know how to handle your own intelligence that is the problem that you are seeing on the planet expectation we were talking about before we came on stage in a cricket context T20 cricket is what people love they love the sixes they love the fours but using that metaphorically converting that into conversation around humanity is there a false expectation is that what also setting up humanity for both the positive aspects but also those pitfalls within that expectation or is it as simple as just keeping it to the moment because as an athlete I lived and died by the moment if I was out of the moment then I was like you holding that cobra up I was one second away from being out of play oh you went only to the pavilion if you don't handle the cobra right you go all the way to where where do you go? now you are getting somewhere what you saw that's a king cobra well he has enough venom to kill an elephant if he bites you in the limbs you may have anywhere between forty to ninety minutes if you bite you in the body you have six to eight minutes but he won't bite me see I'm not holding him by his head just holding him like this he can at his will he can turn back and bite but he won't bite because his venom is precious to him it's very precious to him venom is among the highest or the most intense forms of protein on the planet to manufacture that he has to work hard he's not going to just waste it on me unless I look like a threat to him if I have to look like a threat to him he's not judging by his vision he's reading my chemistry if he sees a little bit of agitation in my chemistry he will go for me for sure otherwise he will not go for me so if we want to know you're really peaceful or not all the cricketers must be put all the batsmen whether they're really peaceful peaceful or not we can put them through a cobra test trust me at times I did feel like holding up Rahul Draha by the belly and just shake him a little like that as well so this is the nature of existence say I'm sorry you had a terrible accident in the surfing but otherwise some will ride the wave some will get crushed by the wave somebody who does not know how to surf he can't believe that somebody can actually float hello they can't believe that you can actually ride today there's something called as wake surfing have you seen that behind the boat they're just surfing with just the wake of the boat so riding the wave and getting crushed by the wave is just a question of competence taking charge of something isn't it this is the same with every dimension of life are you riding it are you being crushed by it they think waves are a big problem they would like a still ocean you are looking for big waves you're going to India for monsoon time because you need big waves so one who knows how to ride the wave is looking for a big wave it's a huge possibility one who does not know how to ride the wave thinks a big wave is a huge problem this is the nature of life I have a little Aussie test for you here I hope you don't mind I got a few sayings colloquialisms because Australia correct me if I'm wrong is full of things that make no sense whatsoever so we've mentioned a number of times our Guru tonight, inclusivity you're not a googly baller you can't do that to me no googlys trust me so Aussie sayings full test I want you to I'd like you to have a go at trying to think about what they are for a start and maybe tell us what you think when I say to you what's an ankle biter what does that mean an ankle biter I've just been here for two days please spare me you can have your own back you can have your own back if I say you should be able to get this one even if you've been here for two days it's as dangerous as they are I know what's a footy is that good enough to be an Aussie that's a tick fair income what's fair income mean I love it okay we'll go back to nature what's a gala when I say you're nothing but a gala what does that mean must be a wombat or something it's a bird it's a bird see I got somewhere close very close we'll give you a tick let me say hard yakka as an Australian term we often refer to something I'll say we'll get it over the line but she's real hard yakka what does that mean a girl no that's more like gnarly that's a surfing expression so I'll just go one more you're also reading from the book you're also not an Aussie then that's true I just wanted to get it right that's all this is something that we're doing right now there's a tip if I say to you we're just up here on the stage we're just going to chew the fat for a while what does that mean chew the fat chew the fat for a while that means maybe other people say the meat on the bone like that it means we're talking it means we're talking the reason why I brought that up was that when I'm commentating over in India sometimes I just get this my fellow commentators will give me this strange look after I've said something let's chew some fat those sort of comments and after we get off I go, hey Ross what the hell did that mean and you forget that we are languages especially where you are now as a guru in Queensland we speak a tongue that's English but it's not really it's and trust me I've been kind on you there's some horrific ones as well tell me you also mentioned that your first visit here you tripped across Australia and my first impressions of India was that there is a lot of people and there's also in India because there are so many people there is so much energy human energy and the fact that if you're having a bad day either where you're at or India as a whole is actually having a bad day because there is so much collectivity of humanity what was your impressions though when you started to travel across our vast country and just sensing the emptiness of the country as well I'd love to know what your impressions were around that out of it because out of a lonely existence as well there is time only for you in that environment as well personally I've spent a lot of time by myself in the jungles of southern India in the Himalayas now every year I spend time in Tibet these days it's very difficult for me to be alone people all the time and do you like that? is that something that you now seek at that time alone? I'm at my best when I'm alone and why is that what do you think that is because I don't mess with myself people sit by themselves and mess with themselves and make a mess out of themselves if they stay alone they'll go crazy a whole lot of people if one knows if one enjoys being alone it means they're definitely better organized psychologically, emotionally far better organized than others one of the one of the important processes of spiritual sadhana we give the tools that we offer is always to go into silence people go into silence for from three days to three years four years like this people go on silence not saying a word to anybody well in today's world where if they having breakfast they must take a picture of the breakfast I'm having breakfast if I'm going to the toilet I'm going to the toilet and when this is the world to just shut up and sit in one place takes a lot initially it looks like a struggle but once you really taste what it is you can't be without it you just can't be without it so it's like this if I shut myself up once in a way from everything around me because otherwise I'm seven days of the week three and sixty-five days twenty-twenty-two hours a day I'm on on on so if I shut myself I don't read anything I don't watch television, I don't use the phone I don't even look out of the window because there is a phenomena of life within you which is far bigger than all the entertainment you have because most people are only living with their psychological drama of their own thought and emotion they get bored, they want to do something else they want interaction but if you engage with the basic phenomena that you are are you are you all life I'm just asking hello no no please look at this please look at this in twenty-four hours time how many moments are you really life most of the time you're just a bundle of thoughts, emotions ideas, opinions ideologies, prejudices something, something other than life if you if I just sit there for five days I don't have a single thought in my mind I simply sit they are the best times if I do that once next few years stop no vacation, no holiday no weekly holiday, no nothing we just go on and on and on because one should touch the source of your life the way the surface functions is almost people around me think I'm superhuman this is not about being superhuman this is about realizing being human is super it is not for nothing it is not for nothing that we are the peak of evolution on this planet hello are we we are the peak of evolution on this planet it's to make you the way you are it took millions of years of work nature has worked millions of years to get you to this level but now all must be human beings can do is complain this is a product which is arrived at after phenomenal development over a a few million years but now you are complaining about how it is because you have not explored the full depth and dimension of what a human being is a human being is not just a bundle of thoughts and emotions like you are not just body there is something more to this body you accumulated what you call as my mind a compilation of impressions this is a heap of food that is a heap of impressions between these two heaps where the hell are you yes where are you it's time everybody pays some attention because this life is not for good since you came and sat here you are 45 minutes closer to your grave yes I am not I am not wishing this on you it's our life this is not clock ticking away it's our life ticking away isn't it most people think other people die you know no no you and me will die if you understand if you understand that this is a limited amount of time and energy you would see how to master this in some way do whatever you want you can't stop one minute from rolling isn't it hello whoever you may be can you stop it no it's rolling away for all of us at the same pace well how quickly how rapidly or how slowly simply depends on how joyful or how miserable you are if you are have you noticed this on a specific day you were very happy 24 hours poof went off like a moment another day you were depressed 24 hours feel like a yawn yes or no so only miserable people can have a truly long life if you're really joyful if you're very joyful before you know what's happening it gets over for the possibilities that a human being has come with if you live to be hundred it's really nothing hundred is not a long life hundred is nothing if you're really ecstatic you'll just pass away like this in no time if you're miserable every day feels like hundred years so time is a very relative experience but the only thing that you can master is your energies energetically if you're at a certain level of intensity what somebody does in ten years you will do in one year because of this the impact and the profoundness of your experience in terms of experience in terms of activity and impact in the world it may be like thousand years though you lived only hundred years simply because you have multiplied yourself but time is limited Tamil people you know some Tamil words now I'm going to I'm going to googly you with Tamil words like you chewed fat with me with me yeah you've got me come on then hit me with something in Tamil language this is very well said when somebody dies we don't say he died we say kalamaitanga that means his time got over perfect it's a perfect description time got over that's all that happened time is getting over even now isn't it so how young you are how healthy you are how wonderful you are it doesn't matter time is getting over if you're conscious that you're mortal and it's a limited amount of time naturally you would tweak up your energies to such a level that time would be enhanced for you otherwise if you think you're here forever you think you're an eternal being then you have time for all kinds of rubbish that you don't care for if you knew it is very limited you wouldn't do one thing that doesn't matter to you isn't it hello would you have if you really knew see every day nearly quarter million people die on this planet just by natural process and you think those people are all thinking tomorrow morning I will die hello you think so no a lot of people going to their office somebody was going home somebody had all kinds of dreams young people old people all sorts of people die every day in the world if you knew that it is possible it's not my wish I'll bless you with a long life but it's possible tomorrow morning you and me could be dead isn't it hello possible or no it's not our wish possible or no if you know it is possible that it is possible tomorrow morning I could be dead would you have time to quarrel with somebody would you have time to bicker with someone else do some nonsense that doesn't matter to you you would do only what truly truly matters to you if every moment of your life if you're doing what really really matters to you you will live a wonderful life so you can assume that with that philosophy you're extremely cause driven and the Isha Foundation is obviously a huge vehicle for you to express that but I want to talk specifically about water and what your vision for for the conservation of water and some of the things that you're doing proactively doing within the causes and that relationship as well with in particular your heartlands of Tamil Nadu and also Karnataka so I grew up in Karnataka around Kaveri river about four and a half years every day I swam in Kaveri river and I was between somewhere between 14 14 to 18, 19 at that time almost every day I swam in Kaveri river once I floated down Kaveri for 13 days on four truck tubes and a few bamboos I lived off the river in my experience the river was not some kind of a resource or water source or something in my experience she was a life much larger than me people like you and me come and go but this river has flown for a million years but today we have brought it down to our knees in such a way that the river survival is a big question mark this is not just for one river this has happened across the country just to give some kind of a picture for people here they may not be conscious of this see we must understand this in India this is a tropical country that means river is not the source of water it is only a destination for water river pond, lake, well these are not sources of water these are destinations for water there is only one source called monsoon monsoon rain is the only source it gathers in the land in various forms if it is flowing we call it a river if it is stagnant we call it a lake if it goes inside we call it a well but essentially it is all rain water only 4% of Indian river water is glacial water in the north in that 4% nearly 3% of it flows out of the country very quickly in the form of satellite and Indus very little comes to Ganga for example Ganga Ganga is 25% of India's geography 33% of India's agriculture but has depleted over 37% because we have removed 92% of green cover in the Ganga basin in the last 65 years 92% what is the plan Narmada has depleted over 60% Godavari has depleted over 40% Krishna has depleted over 70% almost seven months of the year it's almost dry throughout Kaveri has depleted according to studies 40 to 44% but in my personal experience see they are studying this like this the entire years water flow so many million liters or trillion liters compared to how it was 50 years ago now it's gone down 40% but leave the monsoon time at that time there is water let's say you take September, October in the month of October if you go and see Kaveri how it is today is only 25 to 30% of what it was when I was 10 years old this has happened because we have removed 87% of the green cover simply rampantly one thing is agriculture I remember this very well 40 years ago when I was in living on a farm at that time it was very common for every farmer to have at least a few trees on his land this was his insurance in Karnataka especially this culture was very strong where they will name the tree after their daughter or their son they say this is for the girl this is for the boy this is like this they will chop one tree wedding is taken care of boy wants to go to the university one tree that is taken care of so always trees were there in the farmland but 40 years ago when really this chemical fertilizers came in a big way till then we were very organic when chemical fertilizers came I know this very well because I have heard people coming and campaigning these companies came and campaigned in the villages of India saying that if you have trees in the land their root systems are aggressive they will eat up all the fertilizer you have to take away the trees so we took away millions and millions of trees across farmlands because they thought chemical fertilizer will be wasted on the trees so today we have come to a place where ground water has depleted tremendously river water is going away every water source is just depleting but in the last hundred years there is no big change in the amount of rain that is being that is happening in the subcontinent so the rain that is coming is the same it is just our ability to hold it in the land is gone because the green cover is gone without the necessary organic content you cannot hold water in the soil when rain comes how slowly it moves towards the river will determine how long the river will flow in the year how many months it will flow if it moves rapidly within three months it will be over it goes slowly it will flow for twelve months this is all the thing is there is a very wonderful I can do another tamil googly for you in tamil language there is an ancient saying which says nadanda vandanda kaveri valam vodi vanda velam this means only if kaveri comes walking she brings wealth and prosperity if she comes running she will bring disaster so how do you make a river walk if a river has to walk there has to be substantial vegetation that the water that comes down in the form of rain is held in the land and slowly it moves towards the river today this whole understanding of river systems is being lost completely because if you say rivers so many I see so many people of Indian origin you ask them what are the rivers they will name seven, eight and twelve rivers major rivers they will say Ganga, Narmada, Godavari, Krishna, Kaveri but you need to understand a river doesn't exist by itself for example Kaveri has over one hundred and twenty tributaries and most of these tributaries don't even flow for three to four months in a year they were all perennial streams but today most of them are not flowing more than three to four months Kaveri is not touching the ocean for over six months she is receding by the year this is happening mainly because there is no green cover so this project what we have taken up called Kaveri calling is an offshoot of Rally for Rivers Rally for Rivers was done with the intent of changing the policy framework we are hundred percent successful in this because the policy that we offered to the central government was accepted in total they put it through the scientific tests and then the economic tests and they found it as an ideal policy and this was recommended for all the twenty-nine states as official policy and about four states are proactively pursuing this policy another three to four states we have a memorandum of understanding and we are working with them but many other states are just not doing anything about it because a river is a concurrent subject between federal government and the state government center can only advise it's the state which needs to act so where they have not acted there you see serious water issues so now Kaveri calling is a different level of project we have taken another project in Maharashtra you wouldn't know there's a place called Yavatmal there's a Vagari river are there Marathi people so this is known in the country unfortunately as the suicide capital of the country of India because maximum number of farmer suicides happened now in Tamil Nadu and Karnataka we are doing a regular yearly score is happening today in Tamil Nadu 83% of the farmers are considered to be under distressed loans 77% of Karnataka farmers are under distressed debt what a distressed debt is is that they have no means to pay the money which they have taken no matter how much farming they do they have no means to pay this means either they have to sell the land or run away somewhere or hang from a tree these are the options we are giving them we are driving a whole mass of people in this direction this has happened for variety of reasons but the fundamental reason is lack of rich soil what was a very fertile soil you know we have found the same land for over 12,000 years we are turning it into a desert like space mainly because the only way you can enrich the land is by the leaves of the trees and by the animal waste trees are gone long time ago animals are all traveling to other countries now there is no leaves, there is no animal waste there is no way to recoup this soil out of 160 million hectares of arable land in India 104 million hectares have been identified as distressed soil because there is no leaf there is no animal waste if we don't put back trees back in the soil if you don't bring animals back into the farm our ability to grow food will be completely gone this is one of the greatest achievements in India without any modern science or technological advancements just with sheer traditional knowledge our illiterate farmer has grown food for over a billion people for the last 70 years but today we are driving him to the wall to such a place so the plan for kaveri calling is just this we want to convert one-third of this 83,000 square kilometers into agroforestry we've already converted about 70,000 Tamil farmers into agroforestry their incomes in five to seven years have gone up anywhere between three to eight times that is I'm talking about 300 to 800% increase in income simply growing trees in one-third of their land so we want to bring this to the entire region the challenge is to bring about see we can go like this 70,000 have happened every year thousand 2,000 people are going into it if you go at this rate two to three generations now with kaveri calling I'm trying to crush time into 12 years 12 year project this is in 12 years we want to see that 2.4 to billion trees are planted by the farmers in the region if we do this the water that is sequestered by this this is proper scientific studies are there will be something like 9 to 12 trillion liters to give you some perspective the entire water flow in kaveri per year is 21.2 trillion so if 12 trillion liters extra go into the land river will flow once again full on all the groundwater will be replenished people will live well see if you don't know what I'm talking about many of you who live in cities may not understand what I'm saying just go out you have out back walk in hot sun for some time whole day you walk just come under a tree and sit it's magic life changes just like that if you ever really walk long distances you will understand what I'm talking you just go under a tree after hot sun and sit there life changes this life changing wealth that we always had in the region was tropical forest unfortunately in short-sightedness we have removed but we can put it back it's possible to do it we need everybody's support to do this in Tamil Nadu we need Matt Thank you I've pledged my support we had in the lead up to this little technological discussion and one of those was that I was requested by the government to invest and that's a pledge that I'll honour I think it's an incredible cause I also had a little bit of fun with other heavy influences in India and in Mahindra in particular and he requested a question and in Mahindra for those that don't know is in control of the largest order in agribusiness and as a business they're very conscious on water being water neutral which is fantastic for such an influential individual but he asked me not so much on policy and not so much on company he asked from an individual's perspective what one can be doing because at those discussions I'm sure everyone living in Australia will understand this are very similar discussions that we need to take control of our resource and almost in many ways elevated above a political cycle of four years and put it on a national agenda because we are in as diastrates as what any other country is now I love to cook and I know one thing about rice I'm a good cook we can have a cook off not a competition an enrichment an enrichment experience now one of the processes of cooking rice unless you want extremely sticky rice is to wash the heck out of it to ensure those starches come out but my question is from Mahindra and I ask you as well to share what on an individual level can we do about water wastage see because the urban populations always have access to media social media they dominate everything but they are not the majority of the population I'm saying this because it's like this most people who have seen older generation of people who have seen Indian movies they will see the village women are carrying a pot and walking to the river or lake and there the hero goes and romances them they sing a song everything but for the actor she's carrying an empty pot the real woman is carrying fifteen kilograms on her head yes there is no romance there she cannot open her mouth and sing what I'm saying is the crisis has been long coming we thought it's romantic when it happens to somebody else but now you have to take your pot and go in Chennai city to get water now it's looking like a disaster hello this was happening everywhere in the villages so what can we do there are many things we can do of course everybody is talking about drink only two liters of water have bath only with four liters of water all this I will not say such things to anybody I would just say I would just say just be conscious just be conscious water is not a commodity nor food is a commodity these are life making material hello hello seventy percent of you is water this is you how come when it's here you don't care the moment it comes here it means so much you just be conscious this is life this is life making material if you're conscious of this I know according to your intelligence your life situations you'll do your best it's not in me to tell people drink only this many liters of water don't have shower every day these advices are coming all over the place no I shower every day so I'm not going to tell you shower once in three days not if you shower once in three days I don't want you around me either so leaving that aside in the cities see the city situation is different the urban situation is very different they are thinking of water about how to minimize the use yes definitely that needs to happen because this is a pressure and the water works the water arrangements that you have in the urban atmosphere but that's not the real problem the real problem is ecological ecological problem is not just about saving water ecological problem is about having water where you want when I say having water where you want in the last million years million years ago how much water existed on this planet even today the same amount of water exists on the planet except for a few bottles of water that the astronauts took out there and you know they left it on the moon I believe some of them the American astronauts might have left a couple of liters apart from that everything is here in this atmosphere it's just not where you want it that's all yes water is not gone anywhere it's in the atmosphere as you said you are wading through water in the Chennai golf course but it's not coming where it has to come so water is not where you want it so we need to look at this why is it where do you want it you want it in the land you want the aquifers to be full you want the lakes to be full you want the rivers to be running it is not about the water tank on your apartment that's not the point that is a city problem that is an urban problem which needs to be sorted out where usage has to be minimized that is fine we appreciate those concerns but the most important thing is to ensure the water that comes down in the form of rain considering India right now the volume of water that comes down in the form of rain we are not even holding 18-20% of it in the land when the whole thing was tropical forest we were holding over 70% of it in the land today we are holding less than 20% of it in the land that's all the real problem is so right now instead of doing many things in the city save water be conscious about it recycle whatever you can well you have water harvesting in your apartments and stuff in your buildings all this is fine you must do these things but this is not a real solution you are just kicking the can for tomorrow now kicking the can for tomorrow I don't like because you think the problems that you create the next generation should suffer hello I don't like this better face it now this is the reality the only and only thing I'm telling you it doesn't matter this is not some rocket science the only and only thing the land needs is it needs vegetation and it needs animals that's all it needs people will say check dam right now everybody is announcing check dams across streams and rivers we need to understand this all these ideas are coming from Europe and North America where the variation between summer and full river seasons are just about 20 to 25 percent that means 80 percent to 75 to 80 percent it's always there in India between monsoon and summer the variation is 90 percent if you build check dams you will transform a river into a string of pools near every town and city you build a check dam in the end what you have is a string of pools at a temperature which is around over 35 degrees if you stagnate water in 30 days time if the water is flowing it doesn't have so much evaporation if you stagnate the water in 30 days the evaporation could be up to 55 to 60 percent so these big dams have been a big disaster we did this things at one time when we did not know much about this now the science of hydrology has evolved in a significant way right now everybody knows one third of the land needs to go under shade this is very important so for this we are talking about just Kaveri Beshin Kaveri Beshin as a demo that this can be done there is determination in the people this can be done once this happens because it's so lucrative to the farmer it will spread across the country nobody can stop it because it's so lucrative right now India is importing over 70,000 crores worth of timber and over 120 crores I'm sorry one lakh or 120,000 crores worth of timber products but nobody is allowed to grow timber because if you grow a tree in your land and cut it somebody will come and arrest you so nobody wants to grow a tree right now we are bringing loss as a part of rally for rivers we are pushing for loss in the last term of the government we got eighteen species released this time we are getting all the high value trees released because if a farmer cannot use the tree he's not going to grow it as simple as that so we are talking about whatever he grows he can cut it and use it whichever way he wants only then he's going to grow trees in a massive way across the country because it's economically lucrative it's an economic plan for him but has ecological significance so right now if everybody focuses on this one thing I don't know how we'd converge to Australian dollar you should know you're visiting Chennai it always confuses me lax it costs just 42 rupees to raise a sapling and give it to a farmer we are asking for the governments to give some incentives so that they can switch over for the first three to four years to give an incentive this will make a huge difference both for the farmer and the land 42 rupees per sapling that's what it costs but I want you to understand we need to plant 2.42 billion trees that is the number of saplings first four years we want to raise 730 million saplings for this preparations are going on all across the Cauvery basin right now we have 33 nurseries in Tamil Nadu the Karnataka nurseries are being built up just now if this one thing we do for me how I am looking at it is at least we must leave Cauvery the way the previous generation gave it to us this much responsibility we must have just to close the loop on that how how can these guys make a difference well you can plant as many trees as you can 42 rupees is all it costs I don't know what it costs can somebody say in Australian dollars less than less than a dollar per tree so you can plant 10, 100,000 million whatever you are capable of everything matters even one matters have we got a roving mic can we take any questions it would be lovely to hear we have done a lot of talking and we will do a bit more but it would be lovely to hear some specific questions so maybe I don't know who is the judge maybe you can be the judge but here we go thank you very much Sakur for coming to Australia so my question is regarding because I've been following most of your videos so you always mention about the need of collaboration of other people to be successful so you always mention that to be successful that's the only time that we need a collaboration of other people for other things like our energy and our emotions everything can come from within my question is that because environment and other people and society and everything can have effects on our emotions as well and our energy how to manage that and not be affected by the environment so how to be calm and happy and not be affected by surrounding so how to separate these things together from each other sorry thank you very much very often people come to me and say Sadguru I can't stand my mother-in-law she's impossible my husband after all her son my wife she's terrible, my boss unbearable like this then I tell them you come enter your mother-in-law, husband, wife, boss nobody will come here just you will give you a nice place to stay good food to eat you don't have to do anything just stay in your room we supply food for you you just live there only thing is I will make random checks on you when I check you must be joyful if you're miserable I don't believe in feeding misery stop feeding you just 24 hours you keep them in one place in how many ways they twist themselves out unbelievable so I'm asking you all these other people your neighbors, your mother-in-law your husband, your wife, your boss your co-workers let's banish all of them all are gone whole society is gone just you on the island of Australia blissed out is it so? hello? no if you're alone also you're miserable you need to understand this if you're alone and you're miserable you're obviously in bad company isn't it so this is what you need to do with yourself that if you sit here your experience of life is pleasant well you obviously from what you said you have probably heard this in some format see pleasantness means just this body is healthy it's pleasant it became very pleasant this is called pleasure mind is pleasant, peaceful very pleasant joyful emotion is pleasant, love very pleasant, compassion your very life energy is a pleasant bliss, very pleasant ecstasy these are all 100% your business isn't it? hello? keeping your body pleasant thought pleasant, emotion pleasant energy is pleasant is 100% your business keeping the surroundings pleasant is a challenge because there are various kinds of people, various kinds of forces this needs skill, this needs opportunity, this needs depends what times we exist in you know not always we can do the same things so creating pleasantness around us needs a certain amount of skill, competence various things, things have to fall together otherwise it won't happen but pleasantness within you is entirely your business so if you are feeling very pleasant within you and somebody here is being unpleasant to you what is the problem? right now they can cause pleasantness within you that's the problem isn't it? hello? see if somebody can decide whether you can be happy or unhappy this means this is the worst form of slavery isn't it so? hello? somebody can decide what happens within you what kind of life is this what happens within you must be entirely yours what happens around you is never entirely yours isn't it? even if you are just two people in the family does it happen 100% your way why are you nodding like this? you are not married then even if there are two people it doesn't happen your way isn't it? little bit your way little bit somebody else's way little bit this way I am glad it doesn't happen all your way because if everything happened your way where do I go? little bit your way little bit my way little bit his way little bit somebody's way this is the nature of the world world should not happen 100% your way but this one life must happen your way isn't it? hello? so this has not been done now for you to be happy you want to fix the whole world no no I am telling you both your joy and misery comes from within you isn't it? hello? so if you are miserable who should be fixed I am asking no my mother-in-law if we fix her also something else will come somebody else will come don't think there is only one mother-in-law in the world they are all over the place they are all over the place in so many people will take on that position so if you fix this one person see we don't know what great things you will do or not we do not know whether you will score 380 runs in a test match or not okay? we don't know we don't know whether you will run faster than Mr. Bolt or not we don't know whether you will climb Mount Everest or not we don't know whether you will become richest man in the world or not whether you will become the most beautiful woman on the planet or not we don't know those things but at least this much you deserve that your experience of life on this planet is pleasant this much you deserve this much must happen other things are subject to so many realities that's not always determined by us that many things have to fall into place next question we put our mother-in-law gets a bit of a bad run doesn't she there is a species of fish in our water called the mother-in-law and apparently it even tastes bad where is our microphone hello my name is Har Shah I'm actually from Melbourne and I'm very very lucky to see you here and hello to Matt yourself I'm a big fan of yours as well like many of us here my question is about boundlessness earlier today you mentioned that there is something within us that is seeking to to be expressed in different ways and it comes in different forms every morning when I get up there are always two voices at least and while I know that I'm sorry one of the things that you said is ultimately you'll have to come to yoga because you've tried everything every morning when I get up I find that there's these two voices it says you have time and sometimes it says you don't have time you're married yes I understand what's the other voice so Sadhguru I think my question to you after knowing you for a bit and also we were talking about life sort of continuing in death and so on and so forth the question I suppose is how much time do we really have I mean of course why doesn't it why it's not there in my experience because every morning when I still get up I'm like yep I've got time I can get to yoga one day or the other and still be able to make it but the reality seems to me that there is not much time See first and foremost thing that you need to understand is you're an individual an individual means you're not further divisible this is it this is one unit in this body there's one person or two people hello I don't look at your wife and say that you tell me it's okay one or two only one if you're feeling too this means you're either schizo-phrenic or you're possessed you need either a psychiatrist or an exorcist don't do that to yourself don't do this two voice business because initially it looks like good entertainment after some time if it takes on it's very painful mental illnesses are not fun everybody plays with it see when you get angry with somebody and what you want happened what do you tell your friend you know I got mad with him and he did what I wanted well you got mad temporally and you came back suppose you couldn't come back it'll happen one day if you keep crossing the line too often because the line between sanity and insanity is very thin if you cross it one day if you're not able to come back then health and ill health is it very thin the line any moment things can happen to us either from outside or inside something can happen similarly the line between sanity and insanity is very thin most people don't realize this how thin it is don't walk on that line keep away from that line stay on the sanity side it's very important that you don't get mad temporally because you crossed and if you can't come back what do you do then you're gone isn't it so two voices are not good there's only one person here only one right only one inside this is an individual you cannot further divide this the moment you divide this you're asking for ill health of some kind don't do that how much time do I have well one voice is saying you've got time so eliminate the other one you don't have time so this is not about fun but I want you to understand this it's like this if you can I tell you a story okay because you think this is a serious question I want you to just understand this one thing why a whole lot of human beings have become a mess is they've taken themselves too seriously they don't understand before they came here countless number of people lived on this planet and no sign of them they're all top soil now and this one also will be top soil you just a small pop up hello small pop up and you'll pop out but you are taking yourself too seriously believe me if the whole solar system evaporates tomorrow morning it is not even missed in the universe that's how big it is and that's how small we are so don't take yourself too seriously yes this life is important for us why because every life is seeing you find it's full potential for that it's important not thinking something big of you is there in this world nothing like that see if there were dinosaurs in Australia they would treat you just like ants isn't it suppose you're walking on the street colony of ants are going you just step on it and go one guy is dead, one guy is half dead one guy is cut into half you don't care because they're just ants they were bigger animals than you they would treat you the same way they wouldn't even eat the whole of you they wouldn't even treat you with any dignity they would just eat one part and throw the other part and go on like how you waste food they would also do it so much population now if the dinosaur comes he has a feast isn't it so do not take yourself so seriously this is the biggest problem you've taken yourself too seriously you're just a small pop-up the important thing is just this it is the generosity of creation that it's given you an individual experience do not misunderstand that do not misunderstand this is to make you significant this is just to understand life is significant that's all you just a bubble you just a bubble it'll pop anytime well it may last hundred years hundred years is nothing in the world hello you may think hundred years I lived long and I did so many things nothing many idiots on this planet thought like you and me they thought they are very important too Alexander the greats have come where are they so they were telling me about you know I was in Greece and they were saying Alexander went to India I said don't worry he came to India all right but an Indian mosquito that too a female go on the emperor he died of malaria so do not underestimate a small mosquito it can kill you see we've found we've found something worse than a mother-in-law than have we no that there is a thing about why are we going against mother-in-law we need to move on between in-laws and out-laws out-laws are wanted we need a mic somewhere I can point but mother means how much attachment and emotion is there mother-in-law means so much problem we need to look at this why are we like this please may I ask the question here right here it's a little Sadguru Ji thank you very much for your enlightening speech this evening thanks I got a little bit technical question in terms of I know the boundary when you say boundaries probably the memory is one of the biggest boundary and you mentioned Patanjali earlier Patanjali in a funny way he says Anuputa Vishaya Asambha Mosheha Smutaaya as a thing that as a part of a chitta and again at the same time he says Shraddha, Virya, Smuti, Samadhiprakna, Porvaka, Itaresham so he wants for you to have the memory at the same time it is the boundary we have to come out of can you please explain the questioner it would want to be a good answer the expectation is clearly high let's choose some fad on this one in the middle of the book see you are who you are only because of memory there is conscious memory there is unconscious memory articulate and inarticulate levels of memory there is genetic memory there is evolutionary memory there is elemental memory, atomic memory everything is built into this muscle memory that is what I said inarticulate memory it is it is there your entire head to toe is just memory you don't remember consciously how your great-great-great grandfather or grandmother looked ten generations ago but his or her nose is sitting on your face right now it is not forgotten for a moment hello it even remembers the skin tone how your four fathers were a million years ago still remembers everything isn't it so your structure is like this because of memory your body is memory every cell in your body has more memory than your brains has a million times more actually so this what you call as me is just memory if you lose your memory you don't know who you are isn't it hmm and the only thing that most people are suffering is their memory see it's only the human beings who have such a vivid sense of conscious memory even a grasshopper has memory but conscious memory is very little in him a vivid sense of conscious memory because of this life and life's experience is rich of course today all the memory is on your phone but even those machines that we created of computers and phones and whatever is only to enhance our memory isn't it because we saw the value of memory so memory is the maker of who you are you are who you are only because of your memory there is no memory right now if your memory goes away you don't know who is your mother, who is your father who is your husband, who is your wife, who is your children where you belong your nation, your race, religion, nothing everything is in your memory isn't it so including your god and devil all in your memory yes or no if you lose memory you don't know anything so memory is a tremendous possibility at the same time it is a boundary it's just a knowledge that you accumulated information that you accumulated so in yoga we have a a very powerful tool this will be little hard for you to chew see your knowledge you are well educated let us say you studied all the libraries on the planet still your knowledge is a minuscule compared to this cosmos isn't it so if you identify with that minuscule of knowledge you will become a minuscule because what you identify with you become that in some way, isn't it whatever you identify with strongly you become that if you identify with your minuscule knowledge you become a minuscule existence but our ignorance is boundless if you identify with your ignorance you will become boundless because there are no borders boundless because there are no borders for your ignorance. Your knowledge has a boundary. Your ignorance has no boundary, isn't it? But it takes a certain amount of dispassion and involvement in the life that you are to come to this space where you identify with your ignorance. If you identify with your ignorance, your intelligence cannot sleep. It will be always on. Right now if I ask anyone of you to walk from here to there, you will effortlessly walk because you can see. Suppose we turn off the lights and it's pitch dark. Now if I ask you to walk, now you're super alert, isn't it? Hello? You're super alert. Matt was telling me when he's batting, it's like meditation because it's not a ball, it's a mizel. It's on the television, it's a ball. On the pitch, it's a mizel, somebody's trying to knock your head off. Yes, it's a hard ball. It's coming anywhere between 125 to 150, 60 kilometers per hour and it doesn't come straight. It pitches and takes its own shape whichever way it wants or whichever way the other monster intends. It's a hard game. People are watching on the television and thinking cricket is some nice game. It's a very hard game and it's a mizel. You just have a split second. If you're not super alert, you're gone. Either you go to the pavilion or go to the hospital. These days there is a helmet, you don't go to the morgue. One time they went to the morgue. Now they go to the hospital with a broken bone or something. So this is the same. The moment you do not know what's going to happen right now, you're super alert, isn't it? Hello? It's pitch dark, you don't know where your foot is going. Super alert or no? This is what ignorance means. This is the power or this is the intelligence of ignorance that if you identify with your ignorance, your intelligence cannot sleep. Even if your body sleeps, it cannot sleep. It's always on. But if you identify with your knowledge, it sleeps because knowledge is a kind of conclusion you have drawn. Once you draw a conclusion, you will sleep. Sleep is a shorter version of death, isn't it, in a way? Hello? You're dead to the world? Well you come back tomorrow morning, but at that point you don't exist, the world doesn't exist when you're fast asleep. So in a way you're dying, how long you die in a day is up to you. If you're dying eight hours a day, that means one-third of your life you've been dead. So if your intelligence becomes super alert, you will see one first thing that will happen to you is your sleep quota will come down dramatically because you become more and more conscious because you are identified with your ignorance. If you understand, I do not know. If you really… it sinks into you that I do not know, now this is a tremendous possibility. Only if you see I do not know, the longing to know, the seeking to know and the possibility of knowing becomes a reality, isn't it? Everything I do not know, I just believe. It doesn't matter who said it, Patanjali said it, anybody said it. You don't know, hello, isn't it? You don't know. When you do not know, if you really allow this to sink into you, actually you do not know a damn thing about anything in this universe, that's a fact, isn't it? For practical purposes we know, but existentially we don't know a damn thing. Now you're naturally identified with your ignorance means, naturally you're a seeker, you can't help. Otherwise your intelligence is probing everything that it sees because you know that you do not know. But reading high school textbook, if you think you know entire world, then there's a problem. Lot of people have gotten into this state in the name of science. They read high school textbook and they think they're scientists. This happened. This happened in UK. That's a social situation. Oh, why? We'll shift it to Australia. The scene. I'm a long way. A social situation where lot of people, socialites were there but a scientist also was there. He was not dressed like them, not much care to his outward appearance. So they sat at the dinner table, a very high fashion socialite lady sat next to him and may I ask you, what do you do? He said, I study science. Oh, I was done with that in my high school. So as scientist understands, he's still studying science. Only others think he's a scientist. He knows he's studying science because the more you explore, the more you realize how ignorant you are. It's not that more knowledgeable you will become. More you realize how profound is your ignorance, how boundless is your ignorance. So this entire dimension of moving into an intelligence which is beyond memory, the first and foremost step is this, that you're not identified with what little you know. You're identified with that which you do not know. Now your intelligence is on. Slowly it will become free from memory because memory means repetitiveness, isn't it? Hello? Memory means repetitiveness, the same things happening again and again. If memory determines the nature of your experience, which usually does for ninety percent or more of the people, their memory decides the nature of their experience. For this we say traditionally in India karma case, you're sitting here, stomach is full, or empty, whichever way, nothing wrong, nobody's shooting bullets at you, you're fine, but you're little. Why? You're chewing your own fat. I'm a-getting it. Maybe that's where it came from. So you're chewing your own memory and making yourself happy or unhappy, whichever way. Both ways, you're karma. Karma means action. Action means the residual action which remains within you is memory. Memory is not just conscious, it is at all levels. This residual memory is right now deciding the trajectory of your life to become free from that. It's a whole effort, which in complicated language he said and you all liked it. The important thing is you break free from this residual impact. If you live out of your memory, no new possibilities are there. You'll do the same things in permutations and combinations, but the same thing. If something absolutely new has to happen to you, you must be beyond your karmic memory, everything that's stored in you, your genetic memory, your evolutionary memory, you rose beyond that. Now you have a completely new vision of life. This is something that is possible for every human being. Only thing is they've never paid attention to that. Just not paid attention to those aspects, that's all. Otherwise, it is not the exclusive right of any specially made human beings. It's equally possible. I want you to understand this. When it comes to external situations, maybe all of you cannot take a cricket bat and do what Matt does. Maybe you cannot take a motorcycle and do what I do. Or maybe you can't run like somebody else or you can't do something else like someone else. When it comes to external realities, we are all differently capable, isn't it? Hello? Is it the wrong word to use on you? Every one of us is differently capable when it comes to the outside world. But when it comes to the inner dimensions, all of us are equally capable. It is just that most people have never paid attention. They still believe that by fixing what's around them, life will be fine. But I want you to understand this much. Compared to how people lived in this world a few generations ago, let's say a thousand years ago or even a hundred years ago, today in terms of comfort and convenience, are you not way, way, way ahead nobody even dreamt these things were possible? Yes or no? But still we are complaining. So much arrangement, so much arrangement, so much arrangement that we're ripping the planet apart. But still, can you claim are you more joyful or more blissful than how people were hundred years ago? Can you? You're more comfortable for sure. You know conveniences that nobody knew. What even royalty could not afford. All of you are having, most of you are driving chariots with four hundred, six hundred horses. Yes or no? But life has not changed. You must understand it doesn't matter how much arrangements you make. And also you must remember in the end there is no container service. This is just for your information. There's no container service because most homes have turned into warehouses. Just reminding. Where's our roving mic on? Right here. Well, I hope I don't sound silly asking this question. How do you think positively in circumstances or you know external factors that are very negative? If I term it like that, I'll give you a specific… No, no, don't, don't. I understand those situations. No, this is relevant to my question. I'm giving you a specific, you know, situation here. For example, you find out that your mother or a close relative have been diagnosed with a, you know, serious life-threatening disease. How do you cope? How do you think positive? How do you stay stable then? Thank you. I know when somebody dear to us, their life is threatened or something comes to them, injury, accident, disease, well, it will cause distress to yourself. But I want you to understand this. See, this is the nature of life. This is what I've been trying to remind you from the beginning in this last whatever hour and a half that we need to understand this is a fragile happening, this life. Right now it's on. The design of this life is such, see inhalation, exhalation, inhalation, exhalation, next inhalation did not happen, this is gone. Back to the pavilion. You did nothing wrong, you just stood there. But back to the pavilion many times. Isn't it? No way I thought nothing, simply. It just nicked by itself and went off. So this is the case, this is the nature of our existence. It is just that when somebody is dear to us, we get so emotionally wrapped by this. This is simply because you have only one or two or three or four people who are dear to you. I live a life where so many, I don't know the number, so many people are very intimately, very profoundly involved with me on a daily basis. So in my life how many people that are dear to me I have buried, don't ask me. It's happening all the time. All right? So right now the reason why you go through life, the way you go through life is because your involvement is very selective, very discriminatory. Only this one person you will involve because I identify her as my mother. Only that person because I identify him as my brother. But if you knew larger involvement with life, you would understand almost every day you lose somebody who is very dear to you. Yes, this is the case with me. Does it mean to say you have no emotion? Does it mean to say there is no sense of loss? No, all this is there. All of it is there. It is just that if you are in terms with the realities of your existence, you live one way. This is what I was trying to tell you in the beginning itself. You think your psychological world is bigger than the existential creation. What this means is your creation has become more significant than the creator's creation. Once this happens, inevitably you will suffer. If somebody is ill around us, what do we do? We do our best to turn them around if it's possible. If you cannot turn them around, you let them go gracefully. This is all you can do. Whether you cry, laugh, turn yourself on your… you know, upside down, do whatever the hell you want. This is all that will happen, isn't it so? The question is just this, whatever comes our way in our life, life will come, birth will come, death will come, disease will come, defeat will come, victory will come, all kinds of things will come. If you are living an active life, will you handle it gracefully or will you make a mess out of it? That's all the choice you have, isn't it? Do you have any other choice? I'm asking you. Whatever life throws at you is not your choice. What you make out of it is one hundred percent your choice, isn't it? This choice you must exercise. This choice you must exercise. What life throws at you is not your choice. Who knows what kind of ball is the next ball? You don't know. What life throws at you is not your choice. What you make out of it is your choice. This is the power of being human that you can make what you want out of it. If I'm saying, I know this is very hurtful what I'm saying, but you must decide whether you want solace or you want a solution to your life. I am not somebody who will say pretty words and give solace. I do that only to children. With children, if they say something, okay, we'll hug them, hold them, do this. Well, if somebody's in grief even if they're adults, because when they're in grief, they become like children. So we treat them like children. But you must decide in your life whether you want solace or solution to your life. If you want solution, there is one way to approach. If you just want solace, we can give pretty words, but what will they do? With all the pretty words, I will die, you will die, isn't it? Solution is just this, we come to terms. This is why I'm saying from being a physiological and psychological drama, you have to become a phenomena of life. That's what you really are. What is the most important thing in your life right now? But you're alive right now, isn't it so? Hello? Is it the most important thing? Life is the most important thing. Not what you wear, not what you parked outside, not the home that you're living in. Not anything else, not your thought and emotion. What is most important is the life that you are. But how much attention has gone into that dimension of life? If your attention was for that, you would see your involvement with life would be indiscriminate. Once your involvement is indiscriminate, you will learn to handle everything gracefully. Right now when you're in distress, when somebody dear to is ill, this sounds cruel. I know that. But I'm still taking the risk of saying you this, saying this to you, because I want you to ponder upon this, because this is all the choice we have. We don't have a choice to decide what life throws at us. We have a choice to decide what we make out of it. Isn't it? I think we've got time for another question. Namaskaram Sadhguru. Actually I want to be over there for few seconds. There's a thing I want. What's that? I just want to be over there for few seconds. Oh, no, no. You can ask the question from there. Can I be over there for few seconds? Oh, then why did you take the microphone? Microphone is to speak long distance. So you don't go next to somebody and take phone and talk to each other. Somebody who has a question, this lady. Hi, Sadhguru. Welcome to Australia. And I have a question. Sometimes we get in a situation when we're surrounded by people who is have a very high expectation in terms of us. And when we cannot fulfill the expectation, you start to feel a very terrible feeling of guilt. And it's okay when it's your mother-in-law. You can kind of cope with that. But sometimes it's your parents, for example. I have no problem. I have nothing against her. I just joking. And sometimes it's the people who's very close to you, like your parents and you cannot really fulfill the expectation because you would like to do in your life what you want to do. And obviously it's not what they want. And how to cope with that feeling of guilt and also what do you think, what kind of relationship should be between the parents and the children. Thank you. That reminds me of something. See, one thing is, it's not just between parents and children, just about every relationship, everywhere. People have all kinds of weird expectations. It's like this, a lady went to the butcher's shop and all this chicken, which were hanging upside down, dressed chicken, poor chicken, feathers are their dress. You rip it off and say they're dressed. So she went to this chicken and lifted one leg, smelled, wrinkled her nose, lifted a wing, wrinkled her nose like this. She was going from chicken to chicken. It was having an effect on the rest of the customers. So the butcher saw it's having an effect. So he went and tapped on her shoulder. She turned around. So he asked, ma'am, can you pass a test like that? So a whole lot of people are always busy putting everybody to test that they themselves cannot pass. Especially parents, parents think all the things that they could not do, they must achieve through their children. So they should have bred race horses. I want you to understand this, children are not your property. It's a privilege another life came through you. You must enjoy it. Do your best to nourish it. What it becomes is not your business. Your business is to support it, create a wonderful atmosphere around it, create an ambience where it grows well. I'm using the word it consciously. Like a tree, like a plant, you just create the nourishment that it needs, it grows. Well, is it going to bear apples, pears, mangoes or just flowers or just nothing? We don't know. Only thing is your wish is they must grow to their full potential. They are not an extension of your ambitions. They are not. And they need not be. So this is because people think they own their children. No, they're not your property. I think these days they're telling you, older generation hesitates to say this, this generation by the time they're 10, they're telling you, you've got no business to tell me what to do. So does it mean to say you don't say anything to them? No, it's your business to see because if you don't guide them, somebody else will on the street or somebody will do it long distance on the internet, all kinds of creatures are out there. All right. So yes, to protect them, to nourish them, to allow them to explore their possibilities, it is your business to do that as a parent. But parents concern maybe, what will happen, what will happen, what will happen? I… My dear father, he's ninety-five. He's a physician. In his mind, that generation of Indians will understand that. Unless you become a physician, you're no good. So I was no good. But that was good for me because when you're no good, nobody pays enough attention. That's all I wanted. That they leave me alone. So I'm just saying, you know, he's always worried, what will happen to this boy? His concern is this, this boy has no fear in his heart, what will happen? So one day when I was eleven years of age, he said this, you know I came home with a twelve-foot cobra, he was my friend. And he said, this boy has no fear in his heart, what will happen? Then I asked him, when did fear become a virtue? When did this happen? He said, see I told you he has no fear in his heart. I said, that's fine, but when did fear become a virtue? Why is it like this? Why fear, anger, all these things have become virtues is it? Tell me when you go through fear, is it fantastic? Hello? It's one of the most terrible emotions you can go through. Why are we thinking that we should be fearful of our future, not only of your future, of anything that you do, and you're even God-fearing, all right? Fearful about everything. What is the point? There is no such thing. There is no such thing that this generation should be an extension of the previous generation. This generation should do something that previous generation could not imagine. That is when there is a purpose to this generation, isn't it? Otherwise what's the point? If you're going to do the same thing, well, if you want to do something that you really want to do, if you think you're going to do it with everybody's approval, I'm sorry life doesn't happen that way. It is just that whatever the hell you want to do, just do it well. Once there is success, your parents and your uncles and your aunts, everybody says wonderful. All right? They want success, they're only afraid. They have every right to be concerned about you. They have every right because they brought you up. They're concerned whether you will do well or not. They have every right to be concerned, but that concern should not become control. What event, decision, experience or period has had the most profound impact on your life? You're asking Matt, right? No, I'm asking you. I would like to know, please. This has been spoken of many, many, many times, isn't it? Experience, influence. See, this is the only thing I did with my life. I was in United States and this lady comes up to me and says, I was doing... I've been doing yoga for over thirty-five years, nothing happened to me. You just went and sat on that rock. All this happened to you. Where is the damn rock? And now the rock is becoming famous. Like, you know, for Gautama the Buddha, the Bodhi tree became more famous than the Buddha. I must tell you this experience. I was in Coimbatore many years ago, about almost twenty-five, thirty years ago. And I'm... I go to somebody's house for lunch and this lady says, Sadhguru, I have a Bodhi tree in my backyard. I sit and meditate under that. Can you come and bless my tree? I say, please water the tree, I will bless you. She said, no, no, no. You must come and bless the tree. I thought, let me go into the backyard. I am always an outdoor man. So I walked out. Then I looked around. I did not see any Bodhi tree. There were three coconut trees. I did not see any Bodhi tree. Then I asked her, where is the Bodhi tree? Then she takes me to one place. There, there is one stick, which is about six, seven feet tall, with about five leaves. Under that she has put one stone plate and on which she sits and meditates under the Bodhi tree. I looked at this Bodhi tree and said, see, this Bodhi tree does not have much possibility. If you at least sit under the coconut tree something could happen. Under coconut tree things happen because when you're in this state, what you need is a knock on your head. So what is the most significant influence? This is all I did in my life. From early childhood, I did not allow either family, my genetics, my social situations, the religious situation around me, political situations around me, whatever around me. I did not allow myself to be influenced by any of those things. This is why I keep repeating, I am an uneducated guru because I refuse to be educated. To remain uneducated is not easy. Yes, sir. Because from the moment you're born, everybody wants to teach you something that's not worked in their life. It's a compulsive need in adults the moment they see. You know, like I was... When my daughter was three-and-a-half months old, I would drive alone with her all across India with my one hand on her, my right leg heavy. This is the time when I'm building Isha Foundation, I'm driving across the country. Every day I'm with a new family. Then I noticed everybody is desperate to teach something to her. I said, please, nobody teaches her anything. No ABC, no 123, no Mary had a little lamb. I don't want any of these things. Then people said, Sadhguru, you're not letting anybody teach anything. What will happen to this girl? This girl won't know even how to count her fingers. I said, I don't care if she cannot count her fingers. As long as she knows how to use her fingers, what do I care? She thinks this is a million. What's my problem? As long as she knows how to use her fingers. So and I don't care whether Mary had a lamb or not. So I said, nobody teach her anything because nobody is teaching her anything. See, it is by constantly looking down on the child, you know what is this, you know what is that? The child feels smaller and smaller and smaller because nobody spoke to her in those terms. She thought everybody is her friends. She's two-and-a-half, three years. She thinks all the adults are her friends. She talks to them like they're her friends. By the time she's eighteen months, she's fluently speaking three languages very fluently because nobody is teaching her anything. She's all years listening to everything around her. Well, I wouldn't have sent her to school, but you know my schedules and my travels didn't allow that. So I sent her to a school where there's least amount of schooling. One day she came back from school, she was around thirteen years of age and she was little upset about what happened in the school. Then she comes and tells me, you're teaching everybody so many things, you're not teaching me anything. I said, see, I'm not known to do anything unsolicited. Now that you have come, you sit down, we'll see. I said, sit this all you need to know. You never look up to anybody. She looked at me like this. What about you kind of look? I said, especially me, because if you look up to me, you will miss it completely. What will you do? Maybe take my picture and nail it on your wall. That's all you will do. You got to see me the way I am. If you see me the way I am every moment of my life, it'll be of great significance to you. If you look up to me, you will exaggerate. Never look up to anybody, never look down on anybody. This is all. Is that all? That is all? See, if you look up to something, you will make up things in your mind. If you look down on somebody, you will make up nonsense in your head. If you don't do these two things, you will see everything just the way it is. If you see everything just the way it is, you will effortlessly navigate through life. This is all you have to do. Don't worry about what is significant. This is the most significant aspect of my life. I never looked up to anything, nor looked down on anything in my life. I looked at everything just the way it is. This is all you need to do. Thank you very much. Ladies and gentlemen, probably Matt is more loud in India than in Australia. It's wonderful to have you here, Matt. Fantastic. Thank you, sir. Thank you. It would be very easy to listen to Sat Guruji all evening, but unfortunately, we are out of time. So on behalf of us all, thank you for gracing our shores. You're a very special human being. Tell me, what should I tell the Tamil boys? You can tell them from me, that I will be back in business with them very shortly. That's what you can tell them. Sir, about the water, what about the water? About the water? Yeah, what they should do, the Tamil boys. Easy as this. And girls. Spend a little bit of their own money to invest into some trees, and we're all in business, aren't we? Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Good evening, everyone. Thank you. If you don't know this, if you don't know this, don't tell anybody. I make the best masala in the world. Well, you can be sure of this. I'll take you up on that. Good evening, ladies and gentlemen. Thank you. Thank you.