 Oh, I just want to reiterate that I think the FriendsUp organization is completely different than the town hall players who are going to actually be physically in there and helping to rent it and showing it to people and putting on productions. And the FriendsUp is a completely different group of people. So you're thinking of creating a Facebook page or something? Not too different than what the Maple Corner Community Center. The Community Center has their information page. And even the playing field, the town hall there and their theater, there's an informational page. There is the rental agreement. There is all of that stuff and a calendar that someone puts in for a play or a wedding or whatever. Someone has to manage that calendar. Who does that now, Jamie? Jamie might be the person right now. Yeah, I think she is. But so this is the beginning of the process. So would the select board agree to appoint the people that we talked about to the subcommittee? What people? It was David Sheece, Artie Nancy, Chris Miller, Cliff and I. I'm fine with that. I do want to say now that I actually really like this when I read it. The agreement? Yeah. And so I thought this track with what I thought we were hearing from Tom and JC when they were here. And what I like about this document and the approach it takes, and it doesn't have to be called friends, but it does seem to put the town's building and use of the building as its primary focus in a very broad and kind of balanced way, providing tours of the facility. And so I liked that. And I hope that that's what we're doing is thinking about how we manage our town asset. Right, and that's part of what the committee will work on. And kind of dividing up those duties, as Artie and Nancy said, they're willing to do the tours and that kind of stuff, but we really need an overall manager type person. Because we are going to need all of these things by somebody. The town or Plainfield pays to friends three grand a year. Right, because they use the middle page. Yeah, right. But they're also fees collected. Right. I think they had our purpose to really. Absolutely. Yeah, no, there was a budget somewhere that I might never mind I might be mixing. Somewhere I saw an upside budget. Am I making that up? There we go. Yeah. So I think these are all things that this subcommittee needs to work on and bring back to the full board of. And then you've got to find the people to do it. Yeah, and our goal really is to not have the things that happen up there cost the town, but to be actually generating some revenue for the town. Right, yeah, it should cost us. Right. It should be back to the town. Yeah, and I feel like the way in Plainfield's startup, their outline used here would do that. Yeah. So Tom said he would help us. Mm-hmm. Yeah. So that would be great. So we might ask him to come in and meet with the subcommittee at some point again. So there you go. And all the meetings, as I told JC and anybody else that's asked, they're all open to the public. Anybody can show up. Is Anne Felice helping with any of these buildings? Because if everybody remembers, we talk about having the operations manager. Yeah. Manage and be on top of this building for maintenance and also the town fall, and that never happened. No, we're working on job duties for Andy as the facilities manager. And maybe that falls in with this. That'd be good. Yeah. So Barbara has been putting together a list this week. I'll be contacting Andy to see. First we have the holidays, then he had surgery. So hopefully we can get back on track with Andy again. And he's been willing, as you know, he came in and talked to the board to do some more hours freebie. But we have to have a line item in our budget for next year to be able to pay a little bit more. All right, so did anybody want to make a motion to appoint those folks to a subcommittee? Yeah, so moved, as you described. OK. Is there a second? All right. Any further discussion? Do we need further minutes? Do we need to clearly state the purpose of the committee? That's not good. Develop a fee schedule and a. Well, it's a subcommittee to review and develop for the board's approval the management of the facility. I don't know how this specifically can be, or we don't really know. We're just kind of going to start somewhere. Facility management agreement. Facility management agreement. Yeah, use of the building. Overside. Building use policy. Oversight. Proposed fee schedule. Proposed fee schedule. I guess I don't want to think about the upstairs, like separating upstairs and downstairs. Do you foresee the downstairs being used? For a meeting? I don't know. I don't know about that. I would foresee the downstairs being used, and we would have to have a fee schedule for that as well. Somebody wanted to have a wedding there, for instance, and they needed to use the kitchen area and maybe set up tables down there to eat. I could see that happening. Oh, OK. I hadn't thought about that, so. Right, and other uses. So it may be the whole building more than just the upstairs. Anyone that uses the building is going to be using the bathroom. But for meetings, or more, I don't know. Yeah, I mean, the downstairs is mainly for town use, but I could see, you know, somebody has a wedding upstairs and a reception downstairs, something like that. Yeah. So I think this is exploratory. Can we say exploratory? Yeah, exploratory committee. Exploratory committee. That makes sense. OK, all those in favor, please say aye. Aye. Any opposed? Hearing none, thank you, everyone. Thank you. Town hall, yee-haw. Big show's planned. Yeah, OK. Let's just come out on this fridges night. Yeah. Oh, it's going to get worse, I think. Yeah, it is. We're going to be out of the store, so there you go. A little warm up in here. This is good. Thank you. Thank you very much. So you're the message is started. Yeah. I don't really like that foundation. It's got a lot of, yes, it talks about how insurance is going to happen. Yeah. A lot of, not just the details of how much for the space, but the bigger picture. The bigger picture. Who's in charge? What's the agreement? The one thing I was looking for is, like, was there a term of this agreement? Yeah, one year through, like, how long? I think you'll see a Wednesday. A relationship out. Yeah. I'm sure I've gone through a lot of many iterations. It's very arm's length and very. Well, that's why it was great to have Tom and David Strong come in because they've been working on this for years and kind of got it down pat, so we don't have to reinvent the wheel, which is great. Yeah, I thought, OK. All right. I just wanted to say for many years I was in with the Atomant Community Club, so I developed their rental contract and this and that. And it was very simple. It was one page, but it really, you know, you made sure that anything they brought in, they brought out and cleaned. Do you still have a copy of that? Yeah, I have it all on my computer. Of course. It wouldn't hurt to have that to look at, too. Yeah. Yeah. And you're always welcome to attend one of the meet. Just let me know so I can do an agenda. Where is your group going to meet? Right now we're meeting on Wednesdays. We might change to Thursdays. And it's going to be that group is going to be basically the group that works on this. The subcommittee. Yeah. So the plan is the current Town Hall Committee will meet its usual time this Wednesday. Half of the meeting time will be devoted to that discussion. This group that we just blessed will take up the other half of the time. Right. We're trying to be efficient on our use of everybody's time. There will probably be every other week by weekly. But anything like that that you have that would be helpful, it doesn't hurt to look at more than one. Well, that's a leasing agreement, which is kind of a sub, you know, like a little bullet in here. Right. We are going to need something. You will need something. Yeah. For people to sign to use the building. That's a little bit further down the road. We've got to get some of this stuff done first. We're just for the island camp ground, so we've done this before. And I just can't really wrap my head around having two different groups, like more of a fundraising friends type and more of a rental managerial thing. In my mind, I can't really. Yeah, I do agree with that. I don't know how that went. So what I'm hoping is that maybe we won't have to do a friends of for fundraising that we can get enough income back, depending on the fees, to pay the town back to the use of the building. I don't think that these guys are fundraising. I don't think they periodically do fundraising. But it's not there. It doesn't scream at you. Like I just glance through the budget, the bullets, and it says to work to meet revenue projections. That's the only one. Right, and I'm sure we'll be calling on them again to come and talk with us and come and talk to the full board again. It could just be the name. We've got friends of the Winnowsky, and we've got friends of the whatever and ever. Everybody uses that. And I think it is a little misleading that it's kind of a fundraising group. So we might want to think of a different name. I don't know what you think of the town hall. Management. Well. Glee Club. Glee Club. Not ready for town hall. So we might want to think about what the name, what we're naming this could say a lot about what people think. Right. Well, similarly, if it's called the Blue Barton Players, or the Town Hall Players, that's going to have a connotation two. So I think a name is really important, just like when you name your kids or your dog. So I think they're just using that for now to get things started. And they clearly done some work to get this going. OK. So will we well, shall report back? And if you know anybody that's got a real interest in this, send them up. Send them our way. I don't really know anybody. Tom's involved. And he does, actually. He'll stay involved. And he does plays in. Susanna does. So I think we got a lot of people we can call on, which will be helpful. All right. Act 46 update. The question I had under this item, are we still wanting to do an informational meeting? Are we letting the school take the lead on that now? Because they are planning one. Before town meeting? Right. It's a lot to pull together between. We even picked a date, didn't we? I think we looked at maybe February 10th or something. That's a lot to pull together. Yeah. And they are planning to do one that we can all attend. Does that make sense? It doesn't make any sense for us to do our own. Our representatives are testifying the floor house head. Representative Ansel? Ansel. OK, so I'm going to make a note that there's not going to be any select word informational meeting. Can you make a note of that? Ansel comes on the afternoon. Before between 1 and 2 o'clock. Now you can go back to trying to schedule the appreciation dinner. That's right. We were going to do this informational meeting and so the appreciation. Yep. Now we can go back the other way. Any update on? And are you thinking on 10th? I'll just put that on my calendar. I don't know if we're going to be able to make it now. Because today is the 28th. It's kind of tight. Yep. CVRPC? CVRPC, anything, John? The, not too many, please. No, there's the committee that, the project review committee, invited in the Washington Electric Cooperative, a representative from the Washington Electric Cooperative Bill Powell, a representative from Green Mountain Power and a representative from Northfield Electric, I think it's called. Not hard to listen. I don't know if they invited hard work into it, but I can't remember what the story was. But those three utilities presented how they do things and how they interface with renewable energy projects and how they either complement or cost them their repayers' money. So they went, there was a whole thing. I video recorded it. I should have it up. I should be able to get you guys a link at some point. What was the reason for inviting them in? Because we review projects that go before Act 250, for instance. We're just large projects, projects that have a potential for regional consequences or impacts. So it's like the Montpelier Downtown project. We're looking at that. We look at projects that tend to be of the scale that trigger 250 and see Act 250 on the other side. And then projects that are not regulated under Act 250, but because they're energy projects or a similar scale and are seen by the Public Utility Commission, we also review those. And we concluded we didn't have enough internal expertise to be able to render judgment whether the impacts are positive to the region and the individual residents and the rate payers and all that. And that wanted the idea is to, and I think we achieved that, is to develop a relationship between all the utilities so that when there's a project within their segment of the grid, section of the grid, we have a point per person established. And then they can give us a thumbs up or thumbs down from their perspective and give us just an overview of how that project will interrelate with their. So that's why those representatives were there? Yeah, well, they kind of explained to us how it all works. There's kind of a lot of overlap. Bill Powell did the larger overview on the GMP person did. And so they have similar issues. They have similar needs that depend in. They like projects near the load, right? Where there's greater demands, better to have a big energy project near Montpelier or Barrie, rather than in the hinterlands where they have to transmit that power to load. And they may not, that eats up grid capacity. So there are all these things. Who's the GMP person? Took a picture. Is it like public relations? Was it Christopher? Oh, no, these are engineers. Okay, it's a duality kind of people. Yeah, okay, all of them. Yeah, they were all engineered, actually maybe not technically engineered degree, but that's kind of what they do. Yeah, they review the plans and they... That's really all I wanted to know. It's not PR, it's not PR. I'm gonna give you a name here. The fellow from Green Mountain Power is Rob Horton. They're a representative from Northfield City Electric. That's a city, folks. It's Steve Fitzhugh. And of course, Bill Powell, a local rock star, represented WEC. So I think it's good. And folks from other subcommittees attended as well because they wanted to learn, so it was a real good. It's good, a lot of people are really happy about that. We have a really good regional planning commission. Oh, it's amazing. The amount of work that those folks do with the staff that they have is amazing. We get such bang for a buck, you know. All right, anything else? That's all I've got for you. Stephanie, you wanna join us? Hi, Stephanie. Yes, you asked me to come. Yes, we wanted to hear about the grant. The select board needs to authorize the conservation commission to go ahead and apply for the grant. And you get a really nice write up here about what it's for. Yeah, I got a bunch of comments back from Joanne today. Anyway, basic, the basic. Yeah, no, she said it was great. That was what she said. But, so it's due on Thursday. All right, we don't need to sign it. Does not need to be signed. And she double checked. So we just need to buy in the minutes and then say that we've. Yeah, I mean, we need, as we talked about it, we're gonna need some of Sandra's time to do some of the fiscal stuff. But, I don't know what she's saying. So it's pretty self-explanatory. So, you know, as you probably all know, we're in a very sad situation. The emerald ash borer kills 99.89% of ash trees. And it's, it actually hasn't been. Once infected, they die, but. No, it takes a while. But I mean, the infected trees die. Oh, they die. Oh, yeah. No, there is a possibility, but I'm kind of can inoculate them. But so different than treating them, right? You can inoculate them, but not treat. That wasn't treat them. No, you can treat them. You do treat. It's an insecticide. That's the. It's an insecticide and it's, it has to be treated its whole life. It's not inoculate. Unfortunately, it's not inoculate. So you have to just. It's not like you can give it a flu shot. It's, no. It's the whole rest of its life. But as long as you want that tree to live. And that's true whether or not it's infected, you do that to prevent infection or to treat them. They're treating it. The problem is, You don't know. It's to treat it. The problem is you don't know. Apparently these borers get in there. You know, they're the eggs are laid and then hatch and they have the larva that are boring around under the bark. And you don't really see it. You can't really see it right away. And you start sort of seeing, you know, leaves at the top, running healthy and branches falling off. And you know, it's really hard to. So what you have, what people are being told to do is, assume you're getting it. If there, so let me just back up. So we developed a plan, which is what this program, the urban and community forestry program has been working with us really closely. They're really honest. I mean, they do research from all over the country and they provide an amazing website of resources and information and people who have met with us. So this is a grant. It's a municipal planning grant. It's up to $2,000 for this, just this year, starting March for a year. And we're right on the, right on the edge. We're on the edge of where it was last, right, yeah. Which is like in the field of orange. But they can already be here. Yeah, so they're just saying that you really, really every town really needs to assume that it's gonna come eventually. And so, you know, remember they were doing the whole quarantine thing and you couldn't bring firewood and they still want, you're still doing that. I mean, it's a big deal because apparently the insect will move two miles a year on its own. But when firewood moves it, that's how it spreads apparently. So to prepare, towns are encouraged to put together a plan. And the first thing that the plan usually consists of, and we definitely wanna do this, is an ashtray inventory. For several reasons. For one thing is that if they're, and this is an inventory of public spaces, just public spaces, our roads, cemeteries, any public land, not a private, but there are a few reasons that you wanna do an inventory. One is, just wanna know sort of what it, you can sort of picture what it's gonna look like. Like if you find, you know, we have a lot of ashtrays. It was like something like 10% of our trees are ashtrays. I was surprised when I heard that. So one of the things is that there are areas along roads where there's a lot of ashtrays. So if they all die, which you have to assume they will, what's it gonna look like there? So are you gonna want to institute some kind of planting program? Of other species? Just other species of trying to get, you know, if they, God, this is gonna look terrible. We really rely on this canopy or whatever. So that's one thing to do is to identify areas where it might be difficult or disastrous to lose the ashtrays. There's also, you know, we're just talking about treating them. You know, there may be a tree here or there, or a couple of them in town that are in some ways very important trees. And we haven't established, there are criteria out there. That's part of our plan is we'll establish a criteria. What makes it important? You know, I mean, just all the top of my head, I think, you know, we'll maybe right in front of the cemetery. You know, it's this beautiful canopy, this beautiful tree. We don't know. I do think, and I think, you know, Neil Maker, who's the tree warden who's in the Conservation Commission, thinks that, you know, it's probably a good idea. It's a mixed thing because it's an insecticide. But, you know, in certain key locations, maybe it's worth it to save, try to save an ashtray or two. I mean, apparently once an area is infested, it just remains infested for years. It may slow down. You know, you said yourself, after all the ashtrays are dead. Yeah, that was my question. How do they live? But they live. They do, apparently, because they've had this experience like in the Midwest. Did she say they could be dormant? They could become dormant. Right. Yeah. They might feed on other species. There was a question about whether they do. But apparently, I mean, it cannot be so, you know, it's like intense, you know, you have all this, plus we learned, which we were hoping was not true, is that they'll go after really little ashtrays. It's not just the big ashtrays, but the little ones. So, you know, for a while, we were saying, let's, you know, let's be sure to leave saplings. Well, you still do want to leave saplings, but, you know, then the other thing is, is that there are, you have to consider these trees to be future hazard trees. And the unique problem with ashtrays is that, you've probably heard this, I mean, they call them widow makers. They split, they splinter when they're cut. But apparently, it's much worse when they're dead. Yeah, that's what she's saying. That's what she was saying. That somehow it affects the wood. She knows so much about it. She does. So, we're going to lose genetic diversity, too. Well, that's the other thing. I mean, so, I mean, our plan, and we don't feel like it's a good idea. A lot, and the state doesn't, think it's a good idea to go around and cut your trees, you know, as kind of, because it's more expensive to cut them when you're dead. I mean, you know, plus, there are, I think it was Berlinus, and they were going to cut them all down. I bet you they're not going to do that. I bet you they've heard more since then. Because they did that in the Midwest, and it didn't help. You know, Stephanie, can you go back? I took a note, and then you didn't, because of what I thought you were going to say, and you didn't say it. I'll say something else. No, you were talking about what we do with the important trees, and I thought you were going to say that we might invest in insecticide to save the important ones. Yeah, yeah, that was the next thing. Yeah, that's the next thing. Right, we don't have to be very strategic. It's expensive, and it has to be done for the life of the tree, apparently. I don't think it's every year, I think it's every other year. So they'll do a bore, and they'll bore into it, which also, you know, it opens up a wound, but, and it's like a port. It's like a chemothera. I think it's even intravenous. You know, it's very similar to that. It's like a hundred-fold pesticide. And then they inject it, like every year, every two years, it's injected, right into the tree. It's no sprint, they could spray, but nobody wants to spray. A bunch of money, no trees. I don't know. I don't know yet. Somewhere we heard $500 a tree. I didn't make that up. Whoa. It was something like that. Yeah, and it's for the life of the tree, so if you don't do it every time you're supposed to, it's toast. Yeah, yeah, I mean, you have to, it's really... Whenever we talked about it last, it might have been at one of the... Well, that's part of our plan. No, it was here. Is to find out these things. And to... First, we want to do the indenture. We want to find out where the trees are. So this is what we're going to be doing. Everybody in town to know about this. And we want them all to know. Also, people want to know what to do about the ashtrays on their own properties, the private ashtrays. And this program has all kinds of information and suggestions and recommendations and resources. So, to do an inventory, the program people, Joey and I will train volunteers. So what we need to do is educate people in town and ask for volunteers. And they've done inventories in a bunch of towns in Vermont. And it's sort of, and they've also found all this stuff. It's like somehow it's more efficient to drive than walk, but you have to drive slowly. So the idea is to have like a driver and then two people in the car, and each person will be looking out the opposite side of the road because you've got two sides of the road and then stop. And there's an app. There's an app for the smartphones. If we have service. Right. You know, we talked about that. We didn't talk about that. You know what it is? It's not. You store it. It's not, yeah. It's not sell. Then you upload it. It's not sell, satellite. That's what it is. But you can also, if there's no reception, she said it can store in there. And then when you get to a place where there's reception. Right. Okay. Yeah. So I know. I mean, it's a new question, but. So they have a couple of iPads with all this stuff on it. They will lend us. For example. People can bring their own smartphones. And it's an app on there that they've got and everybody will have an app. And then you go along the road and you see an Ashtree and there will be things to punch. They're probably size, if there's. How many? How many are there? Well, no, we're doing one at a time. Right, but if there's a cluster. Yeah, well, we'll be da, da, da, da, da, da. And location is very important. And also things like, is it near Colbert? Because you're looking down the road. The road crew may use this. Are they leaving a extrapolate from this? How many trees do we have through the woods? I don't know. I don't know the estimated, the Neal investment. We have a bit of, oh, I don't know. Oh, it's only 10%. But, yeah. Right, because we talked about, or I think I raised the issue that we don't want to treat a tree that's in the right of way that's gonna get, need to get cut down 10 years from now because they need to replace the culvert. Exactly. Or, that's on the edge of the stream. Right. And you're using it as an example. Right. You know, Montelier did something really interesting. Montelier has a nine-person tree board. It's very active. And they did an inventory. And they had more than 1,000 street trees of ash in Montelier. Wow. And then they're doing the same sort of thing, but on a bigger scale of identifying which trees they might want to treat. And I think the city council has agreed to, I don't know how many, but that's a, but it's a, but planting. Also replacement planting. You know, it's replacement, but it's not ash, right? Well, the grant will cover some of the replacement. The grant will cover some of that. And I have a feeling that this is just the beginning of the grants, that the grants will come. And Joanne seemed to think we had a pretty good likelihood of getting this grant. She does, because we're in a critical area. Right. Because. And what's the amount of the grant? It's 2,000. It's the maximum. They have 40,000 all together to give away. And you said you're going to put together something like a handout for town meeting. So this is what we're planning on doing. We are planning on sending a mailing out to every household in the state, which, I mean the state, in the town, which is going to be one of the major expenses for the grant, because they have a flyer already about how to identify a monash borer and sort of some suggestions if you have them on your property. And then we'll have, we'll do our own information too. And we'll publicize how important the inventory is and how we need volunteers for the inventory. We can also, can we? Well, we're going to put the front porch. So we're going to do, every household, we're going to do front porch form, obviously, posts. We're going to have a table of town meeting and speak of town meeting about it. I think we can have a, can we have a link on the town's website? To what? A link to what? To this information. Yeah, and then, but we have like, we need to get, you know, we need people to sign up and we'll have them in stores. We're going to be making posters to put in the stores and the post offices and at the school, if you can. Yeah, it would be good to get the, we talked about it would be great to get school kids involved in this. Especially at school kids. Especially at the high school. High school. Or VTC, that maybe you have people that are in some kind of forestry program. This new member of the conservation commission, Mark Brown, teaches at U32. So he was talking about getting some students. And yeah, because, you know, so what we're planning on doing on March 16th is a Saturday and it's in the afternoon because Julian's available only in the afternoon that day. But we will meet here presumably on March 16th. And she will, I mean, we'll be putting this out, obviously, but, and then, and that'll be the training. And then for four Saturdays after that, we are hoping to have enough volunteers. The Rosa be good enough, right? Oh yeah, who knows. It's gonna be a month's season. I know, so I'm thinking a month's season. I mean, ideally, yeah, we're talking about the middle of month's season. Right, it would also be interesting if somebody, and you have a connection with the school, to have a training or something. All right, call the meeting to order. Is there any public comment for Ariams? Not on the agenda. Okay, additions or changes to the agenda, anybody? Okay, I don't see the road commissioner or the operations manager. And the Charger and Town Clerk don't have anything right now. Town Hall. So, Donald John, would you like to give us an update on what's going on and see if you all have this somebody? Yeah. Mine's in the hole there for a while. Yeah. So expenses to date are 205,400 and tomorrow Sandra and I are getting together to make sure that I have all the costs. And she, I stopped them today and she gave me a list of the costs so I'll look them over and then I'm coming in tomorrow afternoon. Okay. Anticipated future expenses are 297,538. And I think I sent you earlier today a list of those figures. Yeah, we did. And then the amount of money that we have is 503,700 starting. That's what we started with. Well, that includes the loan from taxpayers. Right. The anonymous donation. Yeah. The reserve fund and the money that I've paid Bradley. The 10,000. Yeah, and then there's some other donations. Well, there was some money that we got from one of the plays or something. Yeah, that should all be in the reserve fund. And I'm gonna go over that with Sandra to make sure that all that money is still sitting here. Yeah, I think that's on this sheet that you gave us. So we're cutting it really close with a positive balance of $825. So then under notes, we don't have a quote from Dan Cohen even though he's been asked many times. So right now we're estimating 22,000. And what's he doing again now? He's the electrical contractor. And that's in the estimated future expenses. Yeah, and 6,000 we've estimated for light fixtures, smoke alarms, and then the rest of it, we've estimated for him. But I don't know if we... So the 22 includes the electrical and all of these other... Yeah, it includes light fixtures, smoke alarms. Do you wanna add anything to that, Joan? The non-wood flooring is not included. And that's at the kitchen, the bathrooms, and the new back entry. Okay, so that's not included in the future expenses. Right. The wood flooring finish is not included, but in Ernie's quote is putting it down. And I'm gonna get a quote from Randy Fitch. So let's see what he has to say. Site work is not included, we're hoping that the road crew can do a lot of that. And are the entryways included in Perry's bill for ramps up? Yes. So basically that's what we can do it around, right? Site work, portion, yes. Yeah. The kitchen countertops are not included in Ernie's quote, but the framing in is, right? Yeah, and Ernie and I, we're never our intention to create a... Our kitchen, even a residential quality kitchen. It was going to be very similar to what it was before, only new and clean. So it's going to be open shelves. It's not going to be base cabinets. That's going to be fine. And that's for upper cabinets and for the lower. And for the lower, half of it's open anyway to make it accessible. And is Ernie building those, did you say? Ernie Ernie will be doing this work. We took out the display case that we had that was for the Historical Society or whatever. So then I made a list of some of the negative impacts on the weather, on the budget. And the weather was the main one in November. And then recently, they had the addition covered with a tarp and that rain caved it in. So then the concrete got filled with water. But all these things have kind of, all the things behind the schedule. And then we need the containers and the quarter potty has been needed for a longer period of time, fuel costs to eat the building. So those are additional expenses that we didn't anticipate. The removal of the chimney and the rebuild cost more than the quote. Why was the removal of the chimney so much? That was good. Is this the center block chimney? Why are we going to the first place is my question. It's just there for prettiness. It's just, I think it's because it's historical. Well, that was a removal so expensive. It seemed like it was pretty basic. It was, I think he quoted $4,200 or something. And then John was gonna build the base. So John bought the materials for the base and then we had to move the crane that was getting them up there. There was some reason they had to pause. I think it was when the building was being lifted maybe. It didn't add to the cost. They had to leave their staging on the roof all the while. It was, I don't wanna finally came back down again then they could set up the slidescaping, staging and access the roof staging. But that didn't increase the cost. But they ended up doing the base. Which John was gonna do, but they ended up doing it. And Scott's been communicating with, Brooke Howe. Brooke Howe. And that's just to support a stub chimney, right? Yeah, it's just some kind of strong diagonals and a platform and it's done. Yeah, it's done. And then, yeah, the foundation costs a lot more than we thought because of the gravel to fill the interior, equipment rental and then labor and materials to get it ready for period four. And what Elford and I, that we thought sometime in October that if the road crew and I would work together to get the gravel compacted and leveled and the insulation down so Perry could come in sometime in mid October and put it in this lab, the weather totally conspired against this. Not when it snowed, so Perry's got plowing obligations all over Greensboro and the road crew suddenly finished. The plows are on their trucks and they're running around plowing and sanding. So, yeah, winter came early so our plans went down the toilet. So we got a bill from Ernie for his crew to help and then John was helping to get that ready. We had to get, even though we knew the building didn't have a spesus, we had to hire somebody to come and look for a spesus. So that was $558. And I don't think the Eco-Warm, oh, Eco-Warm product engineering, we had to have that engineered. That was like another 600. And then originally we had thought we'd be able to reuse the old floorboards, but there were two stands. So we've had to buy boards. We haven't done that yet. I haven't done it yet, but we need to do it soon. Stick our arm up upstairs so they dry out enough so we can put them down. So you're gonna use, put sprues down? Yeah. And it may be that floor and it'll be a tongue and groove spruce, but I'm still hoping the building will be ready for use by the town and for theater stuff in June. So the floor may not be finished. There may be a polished concrete slab in the kitchen and bathrooms before we put the vinyl or whatever down to some other time or paint it or something, right? So, but it still looks like we're on target for opening it in the summer, early summer. Yeah, I think what we told people when we've been talking at the Town Hall Committee being because we can't promise anything, so if you've got something, you might wanna find another location because we don't want you to schedule it and then the building isn't usable after they go to all that work. And I did talk to, Ernie's gonna come over and talk to us about schedule. He just doesn't have time right now and he really wants to get that addition done. So, you know, once he gets farther along in a couple of weeks, we're gonna sit down with him and just sort of anticipate. Is he working on the addition right now? Yeah, it's possible that it could be framed, sheathed and the black paper, building paper, it's there on the roof and sides so that it's dried in, basically. It can rain, it can snow, and they've got an interior space that they can start blocking and insulating, getting ready for the, the electrician can come in. He was talking yesterday about some kind of latex that it's atomized and you put a negative pressure on the building and it sucks until a little gas boils. We're gonna be talking to the rest of the committee on Wednesday about this, why don't you explain it? Yeah, sure. But this is a real good example of where I have to look at Ernie's quote to see how much money he had in there for, for an air sealing the building. And if he had like 1500 bucks, basically we'll apply that 1500 to this air sealing technique which looks like it's about 24 and it's over $900. I think we got an $825 surplus, so we're really clean. Yeah. Nothing like working that in there. Anyway, the way the system works, it's pretty cool. They put these foggers, they're basically a pedestal with like a spray nozzle thing that emits a fog of this acrylic stuff. There's like a blower door test, there's a blower put in the door to create a high pressure area in the building. So when they turn the fogger on, the mist starts looking for ways out of the building and that's cracks and things in the wall. And as it goes through a crack, even a crack up to an inch wide, if it comes into contact with anything, it sticks and then it sticks to itself. So as the air would be laden with this moisture goes through, it basically builds up until it clocks it. It's like cholesterol. Yeah, it's like cholesterol. So Scott has been in touch with Efficiency Vermont, which I've never had very good luck with, but when we meet on Wednesday, I'm going to ask Scott, is this something that Efficiency Vermont will cover? I think they do. I think they do look at air sealing as something they're interested in. So I think that's really, now it's kind of new, it's been used in duct systems and ducts, they do big building with air handlers and they put this mist in the ducts and seal it up. What's it called? It's a company, where's the company called? Well, it's J. Younger Murphy, Murphy's Seltek in St. John'sbury. Murphy's Seltek. Yeah, he's been around forever. He's got a good reputation. Now earlier on though in the project, we saved some money on some various things, but that's gotten kind of used up. Well, the weather gobbled a lot of it up, but we're still, the nice thing about working with Ernie is that we can start talking about trades. We can change the scope of things and if we need $500 to go from one part of the project to another, we may find a way to work that out. And he's agreeable to having me sneak in and do some work sometimes. And he's also donating some of his time. So he gave me a bill to give to Sandra and then he emailed me and said, don't give it to her. And he sent me another bill that was over $500 less because he's donating some of his time. Wow, we're pretty kind. Yeah. Things are working really well. Yeah, yeah. Good crew, they've got the skill and the fact that we can talk with them and we can deal with the budget as we move along instead of having to process change orders where you have to, when something's added to a project, it's usually when an irregular process is nowhere near the same amount as if you took that same item and pulled it out. The adds also a lot more than the deduct but we don't have to deal with that with Ernie. It's just straight up, almost like time and material. Yeah. Yeah. Another cost that we didn't anticipate was I didn't remember a well had to connect the well to the building. Well, we all knew they were going to do that and a plumber installed a water line which my understanding was code compliant as far as the PSI capacity of the pipe but Onion River looked at it and said, sorry, we're not going to hook it up. What? They said we can't. What was their policy that they wanted 160 PSI water line? Yeah, I was like, what are we going to do then? What was this one? What was this one? What was the PSI? Well, the PSI, I think it was 100. So anyway, they've managed to push a 160 PSI line through the line that we had put in and it's fine for our purposes. We're not. Isn't it narrowing? It's smaller, it's a three quarter inch inside diameter but we got two bathroom labs and a kitchen sink. Right, no dishwasher. No dishwasher. Even if we did have a dishwasher, we're still not, we're not drawing baths or anything. So no, we're in a good shape. Good news is that the water line's never going to fail. Yeah, it was like a 500 PSI. 160 PSI line inside a 100 PSI conduit. But anyway, so none of this has been big deals. It's $500 here, $600 there. Yeah, but it all adds up. Right. And I think what we really need now is someone to direct follow up on the list of foundations that we got from Christie and Graham. Cause I looked at that list last night and there's a couple of family foundations of people who I worked with at National Life and I can just approach them. I just can't lead the people that are gonna push that along. So we talk about that when I'm fed, right? Yeah, yeah. But we could use another 15,000 bucks more. That would be a nice job. Yeah. You know, the good news is- Or a couple of nice donations. The project's gonna come in 500,000 and the architect's, Skangus and Arnold, said it was somewhere between 830 and a million years. That's right. I mean, that's the original last night. We've done really really well. And Skangus and Arnold did include the new septic. And our septic, our civil engineering fees came the last week. Yeah. Well, and we just got our moist water permit. And the road crew, the town will be installing that septic system. And so really, this is a cost of material. And it's not that big a system. It was described to me by Don Marsh, it means similar to a Presby Mound system that he would design for a two-bedroom house. So I think we've done everything we can to make it as affordable as possible. We've got the expense of the mountain sand and the Presby filter pipes. Where is that gonna be located now? I know that it was back and forth. The property's kind of a triangle shape. This is sort of close to where Ernie's old house used to be there. We're almost where the brook and- But on the town land. Yeah, it's on town land. So across from the house? Yeah. And you have 50 feet from the stream and all that stuff. But sort of in that corner. And so we're going to, we're gonna, the septic and the pump tank will be right up next to the building. Then there'll be a line that goes on the straight to the disposal field. That'll be deep enough so there's no problem driving over it in the summer. But we're not gonna wanna drive over it, plow and drive over it in the winter. But we'd already talked about that. We're not having events in the hall that would require overflow parking or we'd have to plow that. And so we do have to go before the DRB for change of use permit? Yeah. Change of use permit. Do we have an idea of what value money-wise the road crew contributed to? I have no idea. But usually Alfred's good about- Yeah. And also they, the town hall budget is paid for some of the gravel that he ended up that we didn't need and he took out of there. So I'm hoping that we'll move some money back into our budget from that. Yeah. We're just still a couple hundred bucks. And I think it might be more than that, but whatever, you know, it's all tax money. And we don't have any grants and we don't have to do any recording of like in-kind services for- Well, we have the Vermont Arts Council grant, but yeah. But there was no in-kind in that application. Yes, so Arnold and Skangas, when they did their study, they did a low high. And their low estimation of the cost was $657,500. Their high was $820,100. It didn't even include well-stuffed, did it? No, no stuffed up here. That's pretty good. We've done well in trying to keep the cost down, you know, get local people to do things. There's been a lot. That's why I'm wondering, it's like how many volunteer hours have gone into this? It's probably pretty hard to even. John's alone, John is alone. Yeah, and then early age would begin when it was really helpful. People a lot of time into the Arts Council grant. And that's when we really started trying, getting some of the carpentry figures, you know, more fine tuned. See how he's been really helpful. But if you have specific questions about cost or anything. If, is this part of the town budget to the point where it would be audited? Well, they audit the books, the auditors will audit this, you know, when they do the audit for FY19, Sullivan and Powers, so they will audit it, yeah. So I'm wondering, is this, Donna, you have your former treasurer, some assuming that you have like tight spreadsheets that, I'm just wondering what would be, what does it look like when they're auditing it? I'm not the treasurer, Sandra is. No, no, I said you're former treasurer. I'm just giving you credit for having a financial. Oh, but she has everything we've never been. So like, so for example, she gave me a printout of all the expenses. Okay, so it's all, it's all on cameras. Yeah, and if I see like anything weird, I probably won't. I think we're covered, I think we're very well covered with accounting and when it gets audited and all that. And she doesn't like to, John and I look at all the bills, but she doesn't like to approve anything unless it's initialized. So I'm hoping the select one will tell her she can pay monthly bills that are the same, the containers, the body, because we've had some overdue fees for them not being paid on time. Yeah, we're counting pennies at this point. So it makes sense to not pay. Yeah, she would know it was, it's the same every month, it's nothing great. And it avoids the penalty. So that's the point, that a little bit helps. Right, especially when we're now less than $1,000. Yeah. So positive impact on the budget. State. We don't have to be pushing any more. It's $825,000 constituency. Yeah. Right. What does that mean? I mean, so yeah, I mean, 825. We had, last time we looked at it, we had a $12,000 contingency. Well, you get one bill from like, a year of a well for $693 and there goes, you know. Right. So what's gonna happen then? What, when we run out of money? Yeah. That's where fundraising comes in. Right, we're gonna, Donna said who was talking about going to foundations, we can hope some people donate some more money. Right. You know. Yeah, the OS Church, you know, we did a mailing and we made all those $20,000. So there are a couple of larger donors. But this is, I don't know, I don't think people are gonna give to this, like they would the OS Church because, you know, their tax dollars are already paid. Are we gonna have a handout? I can't remember if we talked about this. Are we gonna have a handout update for our Available for Town meeting and maybe with a blurb? Yeah. About. We're gonna do something. You're gonna do something? By March. We're gonna be so much further along than we are right now, too. Yeah, something to hand out at town meeting that's like, you know, what's this, the one sheet? Maybe a coupon at the bottom. Fair off and send with your donation. Fair off. Right, 50-50 raffles. Right. 75-25 raffles. What was that? What's the prize? A tour. We haven't finished yet at all. We're making a tour. Is anybody, I'm sure that Ernie wouldn't mind if anyone wanted to drop by and take a look. It's kind of fun to go in there now. I wouldn't when it's not quite so cold. Yeah. But you said that they're heating it though, right? Yeah, they weren't today. Bring it up to 20. Oh, perfect carpentry weather. Not great tour weather. I do feel bad about the floorboards though, that they had to go their tooth in. They were, they were. Did we save any of them? We couldn't, it had been sanded and re-sanded. The floor shift shifted, and so then the sander would come in and try to make the floor level again. So when we peeled them up, some of these boards were like, you know, a quarter inch at one end and a full inch at the other. They were just. Using the paneling. There you go. Because the old paneling was really thin like that. Well, we've got the old, old fuse. That's what we're using for paneling. So we still, it's gonna be really nice when it's done. Even with the budget we have. Does anybody else have any questions? Thank you. Thank you both so much. I wanna work with you. Thank you. I want to work with you. I'll work. All right. We're good. So, speaking of which, I would entertain a motion authorizing the treasurer to pay the mobile mini and Wind River Environmental Doing Business Hardigan Port-a-Potty bills, which are the same every month and you'll see them right in the warrants. Dumpster, isn't that it? Dumpster? So he's going to dumpster now. Yeah. Rather than having dumpsters on site, he's just. Okay. Yeah. He gave you an estimate of $300 for the rest of the dumping, but he says the dollar's forgets to charge people, so it's gonna be zero. No. So anyways, back to the motion to authorize the treasurer to pay those bills as they come in to avoid late fees, and they're the same every month. Any seconded? Okay. Any further discussion? All those in favor, please say aye. Aye. Any opposed? Hearing none. Motion carries. Is there somebody at the door? Oh, Stephanie came in. No, no, there's somebody else out there. Somebody else is out there. Oh, that's, let's be drawn from something else. Okay. At our last, we didn't meet last week, but we met the week before, and I think we're at the stage. You only remember, J.C. Meyer came in and talked to the board about the use of the town hall, and we've talked about this, some at our committee meetings, and the board knows that this is something that we're gonna have to approve, and so forth. So we wanted to get a jump start, start working on this now, instead of waiting until the last minute, because it'll be time to use town hall for you, nut. So, we talked about folks from the committee that might be interested in serving on this subcommittee, and we had Artie and Nancy volunteer, Cliff and I volunteer. Was there anybody else? Well, I think Chris Cole and Chris Miller also, they're both out of town, but I think they will probably be interested in being part of it. I sent J.C. an email letting you know we were talking about this tonight, and you know, let us know if he's interested. David. David Sheik, that's right, David Sheik. So, with the board's approval of a subcommittee to start working on these documents, and Artie gave us a sample that he's already worked on. Yeah, and I printed, I changed his color a little, things, I don't know. Okay. And I didn't know how many to print, this is six copies, so. It's just sort of for folks, I mean, do you want to go into how this came about? I don't know. Yeah, look back at a little bit. David Strong and Tom Blatchley, who are kind of the overseers of the Plainfield Opera House. Okay, that's what that was all about. Right. I passed the test. Came to one of the renovation committee meetings, and I sent Katie, I think I sent Katie all the documents in there in the folder, but it was like, you know, they've already done this, so let's learn from what they've done and not reinvent the wheel. Not to say that, you know, we're not gonna just rubber stamp what they did, we have to do it for ourselves, but it's a good place to start, and that's where Artie got what he handed out from. Probably 80% of what some of those regulations and fees and stuff came from, directly off the Plainfield, their opera house, their site. Because their guy came in and told us, you know, they kind of went through this long learning curve of what worked and what didn't, and developed into this, you know, kind of from start to finish, how if someone wants to book it, what's the booking process, what's the calendar process, what's the equipment list that's there, and how that all works. So we basically stole a lot of the regulations. It seemed to fit what we're hoping to do. Remind me if we talked, they talked about a 501C3, right? Friends of Group. They did, and so we've kind of been discussing and there's been a couple of quick emails back and forth with Chris Miller. Chris Miller's somewhere in Mexico, who knows her, about that. And I think what we kind of feel like is, and David Sheetz alluded to it at the last meeting, when you say friends of, that really sort of, it means raising money. That's like sort of what that means. And we talked about that, and I kind of feel like, you know, as the town hall players now sort of the blue barn players becomes the town hall players, that we will definitely raise money through our shows. You know, we plan on, you know, doing some percentage towards the town hall, and even maybe things outside, whether it's concerts or who knows what. But I kind of feel like we don't really want to take on the big fund raising. You know, like, I feel like we will be doing some of that through the shows that we do, but you know, the added piece of going out and looking for big donations and doing all that, I feel might be better suited for maybe another group. I don't know. Right, and we may want to see how things work out too. Right. So. I mean, I just feel like, I mean, this process alone, depending on how much this building gets used, I feel like it could generate some money. I mean, we're, you know, there's plans in there for if people want to have weddings, if they want to have birthday parties. Right. If outside groups want to come in because it's going to be a pretty well set up theater space, if someone who, from who knows where, anywhere, Worcester, what it doesn't matter, wants to come over and do a show, there will be some fees and costs that will be paid to, that will go towards the town. Right, and then there's also the added, Artie and Nancy, we have all that equipment, so they're willing to set it up in the town hall for use, if it's somebody that knows how to use it, if not, you would have to assist, but, you know, we need to, the Plainfield Opera House people own, the town owns the equipment, in this case it's Artie and Nancy's equipment. But they also set up people that are there to help with the use of the equipment. I mean, we kind of learned from, even though we had a big handle on the barn, equipment got used and when it gets used by people that don't really know what they're doing, things break and we're trying to prevent that either by, you know, us meeting with someone, I mean, whatever the group is, whoever sort of oversees it, either say, yes, they have someone that's qualified and we're comfortable with them using this equipment, or they're not and they are going to have to pay someone while they're there to run the equipment, right? And then we also, and it's probably, I don't remember your proposal, but I think we said if somebody has to, if it's over a certain amount of people based on their capacity, they'll have to rent port-a-potties and that's the fee that they have to pay. There's a couple of things in red that I didn't really know the details of, so. And a cleanup committee, all you have to clean it up yourself. And if we have to hire somebody to do it, you didn't do it, you didn't want to send you a mail. And that's all in there. And I think one of the other sort of important things is the whole, where it says what the town hall players will get in, as a favor, I don't know, for us having the equipment there, there is some benefits that I feel like we are, would take advantage of. Well, it's not only that. I mean, we also are planning on keeping up with the calendar, you know, showing, showing the place, you know, letting people in, and you know, there's gonna be a fair amount of work to just orchestrating all that sort of thing. So I think taking on also the fundraising piece of it is what we want to do. I don't remember actually seeing that though. The name maybe suggests it. When I was, I read through this earlier. Oh, I'd like to have anything that said friends. No, no, no, no, Artie. The document that, so this is, this document was provided to us, the agreement regarding management services for Plainfield, so this is the Plainfield. Right. And maybe it's apples to oranges. A little bit. This is an agreement between the town and the third party that's going to manage the building for public events. And that's a separate document. Yeah, so we will, so we'll. There is something that needs to be. We will have this, right? Well, we're gonna have to have something. So I don't know. I should be comparing these and looking up for them. Okay. Because we don't have a manager. Artie and Nancy are willing to volunteer. Right. But I don't think they have wanted to be like the manager that's gonna. Right. Oversee everything. There is some, I mean, the volunteers love, there is some money in there that would go to the town hall players for some of these, but it wouldn't be at any expense to the town. It would be to the people who are potentially renting the space. Right, for use of the apartment. Right, and to keep up, if there's a website, I don't know how the initial website will happen, like to actually building up the website. They'll like to manage the calendar and to meet with, I mean say there's a wedding and the couple wanna come see the building a couple of times. That's time. That's somebody's time. So we're willing to take that on to some benefit, some financial benefit. It's not a lot if you look on there, but to take it out of the towns. I mean, I'm assuming you don't wanna go meet the bride and the husband. No, and this town office staff is not interested in that job either. Right. But they have enough to do. Right. You know? It's kind of informational thing for the little kids because you know how they are. They go home and tell their parents what's going on. And also we talked about they have signs. Joanne has signs that if you are gonna save a tree and treat it, they have special signs, right? Well no, it's not just that. That's not what the signs are for. The signs are for, let me continue about this, what we're planning on doing is if you know, areas where there is, we call it sort of a corridor of ash trees. And I don't know, personally I haven't done anything. I have no idea about, but presumably there will be at least several areas around town where there's like a row of ash trees. We call it, what we call an educational ash tree, an ash tree educational corridor, corridor. And there are tags. They have these tags on their website, but we can't, they don't like give them to us. So we have to make tags and laminate them and put them on these trees so people know what they look like. Right. You know, these are ash trees. And they say that they're easier to identify in the winter than in the summer. I was going to ask that. So right now it makes sense. Well, spring, yeah. Because they're a late tree to leave out. So this is the right time. Yeah, like mid-March to mid-October. Right before they get their leaves and buds and all that. They said you can also see further into the woods, of course, although I find it easier to do it by foliage, but you know, whatever that's, but the foliage will be coming along. And, you know, so they said they will give us the 850 leaflets that we want to mail to people. You know, how to identify that. But we have to do the rest of the stuff. We have to do the tags. We have to do our informational sign. We have to do our posters. And then, so, and we're gonna just ask people to sign up and we need to know who they are and be able to contact them. So that's it. We'll have sign-up sheets in the storage post offices and the town meeting. And, you know, it's just a lot to do in the next six weeks, two months. But, great project. Yeah, and then we figured afterwards, after it's done, we need, after the inventory is done, then we need help kind of analyzing the data, you know, figuring out what do we want to do with it? What do we then want to do? How many miles of roads did we actually achieve? Did they help with that? How? They helped some, yeah. She suggested I talk to Dan Currier, the Regional Planning Commission, and also that we can hire somebody. I mean, that we put that in our proposed budget to hire somebody and she said, Matt Peters works in her office. And he said, am I people willing to help? He's the one who did our inventory, right? He did our inventory, yeah. Yeah, I mean, I haven't talked to him. I don't know. We could afford him to be very good because he already is familiar with the town. I know. So, I'll call him tomorrow. You know, and I don't know how, I wrote a note back to her because she said, well, you know, you should be more specific about who you're going to hire. She said, how am I going to decide who we're going to hire in two days? I mean, the grants due on Thursday. But anyway, that's something I've got to figure out. But you know, the printing costs are going to be, they're high and nailing, and you know, just, she said, you might think about even hiring a graphics person to put together your poster, which I think is a great idea because I'm not going to sit and put together, I don't want to put together a poster. What about Bob Hannon? He might do, he's a former, what was he, did you know? I know him from, through Hasso. He volunteers for the Reathmaking Coviz posters. He's a former graphic designer. No, like he's, can you send me like his contact? Yeah, his contact. I asked him about doing the town report. And he was interested, but he thought it was just way too much. He's sort of retired, right? I'm not sure. Yeah, he seems very interested in helping the town. This might be perfect. You know, he's great. Yeah, yeah, I know I can get the town. Yeah. He does all the theater posters. He does all your theater. Well, for Blue Barn Theater. Oh, really? And he does all the town stuff for the town. All the town. Yeah, he does something, he designed the, that's how he designed the handouts. He does the town's production. Right. Well, he did the handout for the town hall renovation. Uh-huh. That was a beautiful poster. Right, he did that. It was beautiful. So he likes small specific projects. He might do it for free. Yeah, no, I'll contact him. Yeah, no, it'd be great. So anyway, we have to get this thing in on Thursday. You know, it's one of those things you fill in online. Yeah, right. So what you would, so what the board needs to do is to authorize the conservation commission to apply for the grant in the amount of $2,000 with. With the rental? What's it, urban? Urban and community forestry program. Yeah. Through the state. Yeah, it's a municipal planning grant. Yeah, but particularly for this. But you know, you should all look at their website. It's fascinating. They have so much on their website. It's a little overwhelming. It is overwhelming. But you know, every time I go on, I mean, they have things other than emerald ash borer. I mean, they, you know, they love trees. And they do everything you can imagine with trees. And they, you know, they promote Arbor Day. And you know, it's, but they do have a lot. Every time I go on that website, I find something I hadn't seen before. It's like, oh, look. Yeah, there's a lot. Yeah, yeah, it's a lot there. And there's a whole bunch of inventories that other towns have done. You know, they like help them out. And then they ask them to send them what they did. And then they put it in their little format. Bakersfield did one. And you know, it's like, I don't know, nine different berry did one. I just want to see them out there. But is there any effort nationally to, to seed collection, to get maintained diversity? I don't know. That's a great question. And they've done it with heritage plants and stuff. And they store them in the special. Yeah. Yeah, no, that's a great thought. I'm going to get on it now while they can. Yeah. It's just so sad. The way we're describing it, it just reminded me of cancer. Yeah, yeah. I mean, can't say it. You can't say it's too late. It's already too late when you find it. You know, it doesn't lose a real lot of the quality. But it makes your mind great. You know, we got ticks now. You don't know what it is. We got this. There's so many things that get crazy weather. You know, I haven't bought a season pass in a number of years. And unfortunately, every year, I'm glad I have it now. Because the weather's been so unpredictable. And you can't know that you're going to have skiing every weekend. That's not going to be ice. So that's a sad story. So I was talking about a motion. Would somebody like to make that motion? So move. Is there a second? Yeah, a second. Does anybody need it read back? Or is everybody good? All right, all those in favor, please say aye. Aye. Any opposed? Thanks, Stephanie. Thank you. So I hope to see you all on March 16th. Actually, I won't be here. But I hope you all will show up on March 16th. You'll hear a lot about it, I hope. Yep. All the details. Joanne's going to be there. Joanne's going to do it. Yes, she can do it that day. What time will that be? After a time. I don't know. We haven't decided yet. We'll have to figure that out. We have a conservation commission meeting on the 6th of February. And we'll probably work out a lot of these details then and start putting together. Right. Depending how many people this room may not be big enough, you might want to think about the Canadian Rec Center. Oh, yeah, we did. Or you actually talked about that. Were you there? Don't mean we were talking about it. Yeah. Because I think this is either close to options. We should talk to Maple Corner or East Coast. Yeah, Scott Basich can reserve the Rec Center. Scott can do the OK. I don't see a doubt about that. This is not the first project we've discussed today. And I hear this is not the one either. But things keep coming up that my son's a high school senior. And he has to do this big capstone project. So he's partnering with the agency of transportation and meeting with the area employers over in Northeast Kingdom to talk about their transportation needs and feeding a bunch of data into the department. So high school seniors across the state are looking for meaningful substantive projects to do. And we just need to keep that in mind and recognize the one that can wait a few months and put it in front of the U-30. Well, I think that's why we said that we talked to Mark Brown about a VTC student or a U-32. This was U-32. Right. But like for the inventory, it has to be done on a specific timeline. This one kind of has a right now feel to it. I just want to say that out loud so that we all keep that in mind when we have needs. Yeah, I think we do. And I always keep it in mind that we need to be thinking about students being able to do something. That's why I don't think it would hurt to educate the grade school kids at the same time if there's a presentation that's kind of along their age level. Down the line. Yeah, yeah, down the line. Right. And by the way, the plantings would happen in the fall. We're going to be starting to plant trees. But we're not going to get a lot of trees for $600 or something. Maybe there's people that have a nursery, nursery that might be willing to donate. See, I picture it was like, I said, she was talking to $100 a tree. I was thinking, in my picture, I always plant little things. You know, I was thinking $100 for a little. But then she said, well, you might want to plant bigger trees. Right. So obviously, it's going to be more expensive if the trees are bigger. So that's stuff. And really, until the inventory is done and we really know where it may be important to plant, we really can't anticipate that. That's how you get the little kids involved. Right. Get them to do plantings and get tree saplings from the schools. Does the friends of the Manuski help out with any of this? Would they help out with plantings? The friends of the Manuski, well, they would do it by the rivers. I mean, they're all to protect the waterways. Yeah. Yeah. That was funny. Denise had this idea. She said, we're talking about, oh, this is not the conservation commission with Joanne. And she said, well, we're talking about, well, what would we use money for? Joanne was really pushing us still to apply for this grant. So Denise said, well, you know, there's this edible garden down there. Wouldn't it be nice to have benches made of ash? That was one of the things she could actually think. Or we could plant trees down there. No, you can't plant trees there. But then she, I love that idea. Or we could have the town make baseball bats. Isn't that what they made out of ash trees? You do. Great. Because I was thinking, my husband has a sawmill. He could saw the logs and make the benches. I know. It would be great. But we're not going to grant for that. No. We're not going to give us money to do that. But he would do that. Thank you, Stephanie. Yeah, well, there's going to be a lot of ash around. Yeah. All right. Thank you very much. Thank you. Anything else you want to let us know about the conservation at all? And if anybody is interested in hearing more details, come to the Conservation Commission meeting. Yeah, I do, as well. On February 6th. February 6th. First of all, it's March 16th, though. It's the March 16th. Yeah. And obviously, let everybody know, time and money. And we have money. We're putting money in for snacks. Oh, I see that. Do you see that? I saw that. Yeah. And you're going to get, like, the East Cal store or something to make the snacks. That's right. I need food. Good. I have to work that weekend, so I won't. You have to work? Is that what she said? I work every other weekend. So that March 16th is going to work. Yeah, but the next weekend, we need volunteers to drive around and identify ostriches. Oh, OK. I'll keep that in mind. Don't worry. There'll be plenty of opportunity. You don't have to train to drive, I bet. Now, you can be the driver. I know how to drive. You can drive slow. I would say mud. Yeah, I don't know how that's going to work. But you know, you can always do it in May. Right. It's not a day. It's not like, well, I remember I suggested doing something around the time of Greenup Day, when you've already got people out breathing up. Anyways, yeah. Good one, foliage is opposite. People confuse basswood with ash commonly. What did you say? Basswood gets confused with ash. Well, they say that. Commonly. Yeah, yeah. So if you're just going by the park. Well, that's why we figure on each of these volunteer drive arounds, there should be one person there who's like a member of the conservation commission or one of the tree warden. And Drew's back now, our assistant tree warden is back. Open house. Good. Roaming the town. Yeah, yeah. Thank you all. All right. Thank you. Thank you. All right. Facilities maintenance update. I think I kind of answered that question when Donna asked about Andy, that we've been working on a list of duties that he might do as the facilities maintenance person. And that would include this building in the town hall eventually. I thought he was already assigned to both. Well, he's sort of been doing odds and ends kind of thing. Does he shuffle? Most of the time the staff does because it's just easier. But the other day he showed up and he dug out the generator and things like that. So we just want to be able to give him a list of what the expectations are for that job and that we're willing to pay. Right now we're paying him $50 a month. We could afford to pay him a little bit more. But here's some more items that we would like to keep track of. He was, what was that other thing he did with that thing that wasn't working? What was that called? The radon system thing. Was it working? It was basically shut off for whatever reasons. Nobody knows why. He did a little research on it. Actually, and I looked at it together and a little familiar with radon systems. And I said, yeah, it's not even turned on right now. So we turned it on. But we thought, OK, why is it turned off? Is there a specific reason? So we looked into it. It was just the luck of the draw for whatever reason that it was off. It has been on, right? It's not like it was never on. It was on at some point. It used to be on. But I think they turned it off at some point. Somebody might have turned it off because it was noisy. We're not really sure. I think I remember that. Yeah, I think I remember that. What, someone turning it off? I remember someone might have been doing a thing. It was noisy. Yeah. Is that the hum? Yeah, that's what that is. And I think maybe it might have done some people crazy. But it's back on. And we just want to have a list to make sure we don't forget anything that we want him to kind of keep track of. Yeah, the water filter. Right, the water filter, making sure the fire extinguishers are checked, even though we have a company that does that, just so that there's a list somewhere of what needs to be constantly looked at so that we maintain it. Somebody they can call if something in the building needs attention. Yeah, because we had the standard admit, the fire alarms and whatnot, the roof issue. We had the roof issue that he came and looked at. And we agreed that we really have to wait until spring. So things like that, so that Judy and Sandra aren't calling up contractors to come give estimates and trying to do that. That's not really their job to have to do that. John. And John McCullough was doing a lot of that. So anyways, that's that update. Um, we talked about maybe developing some talk, just so we all have the same information in the same place for town meetings should questions arise. So if you start, if you want me to start keeping a list, send me an email. And then closer to town meeting, we'll put the list together and answer the questions. Because we might get calls from people once town meeting gets more on people's minds. You know, you might get a call about something or John. So that we're, you know, we're cohesive and know how to, you know, I'll have this kind of know the same information. So if anybody asks, we can answer. And if we don't have an answer, what I've told people at town meetings, I'll get an answer and I'll get back to you. But I think it would be helpful. So like I said, if you want me to keep a list, I'm happy to do that. Just send me your thoughts of what might be helpful. Can we just keep a document? Is this something that then you don't have to be the middleman? Can we keep a, can we have Katie? I don't know how we do that. Katie, your clip just opened in just like the minutes. Just open Google. We could create a folder in the select board. In the private cloud that just says town hall. And then we have a bucket list. Town meeting, bullet points, town meeting. And then we can just, all right. But every time somebody adds to it, it creates a new document. That's what I don't like about the Google Docs. I don't think. I think if we create a share document and make it shared from the outset, it should be okay. What I can do is do a test one. Yeah. That actually would be helpful to understand because I'm never sure of that either. So I always go through a step of sharing it. And I'm not quite sure I have to do that. I shouldn't have to. I do see the emails come through when you do that. But then there's no times where I make changes on something. And they're not there. No, they're not there. It's the cloud. It's the cloud. It's a stormy cloud. Anyway, I mean, that would work. And then we could review the document here and fill in the answers. And then first we can all see it as it's building. Right, yep. And there's one less job for Denise in a way. See if that, if that would work. Let me see if I can get a traveling document going and... I'm happy to test with you, Cliff. Like if you email me and say make changes and don't do anything except... Except... Because you should be able to actually sit there and watch somebody. Yeah, because you know, think about Adam at Co-op. You know, every Wednesday they put out the sheet of the items that you can put on the Google Sheens. You can't tell me that it creates a new sheet every time somebody asks you something. You can watch other people. I could see you and I were in a document today. You and I were both in the same document. And it was working in real time. Anyway, let's just test it. It's just the permission, aren't you, Sylvia? Maybe that's why I thought there was something weird going on. I don't have that card. Well, there was something weird. There was. There was, technically. Right, because, yeah, I called Katie because I was like, I don't dare close this document because I thought it was going to lose everything. But that's not because I was in it, too. No, maybe not. I don't know. I don't even know why. Still don't understand it, but I thought it would be helpful. We don't have to understand it. We don't have to understand it. We just have confidence of the work. Bullet points. So we reviewed and approved the warning a couple of meetings ago, but we never actually voted on it. So here is the final one with the numbers written in from the Treasurer. So we just need to have somebody make a motion to approve the 2019 warning that we worked on for like 34 months. Exactly, as we looked at it tonight, that Gus was here. Right. We did approve it. Right. And like I said, I filled in the numbers from the Treasurer. That's the only thing I did. So it's something like to make that motion and then we can all sign it. So moved. Second. All right, any further discussion, questions? All right, hearing none. All those in favor, please say aye. Aye. Aye-aye. And I will send this around for signing. And don't forget to start looking at the warrants. I just had to scoop it up. There it is. All right. So I'll just give you a brief update of some upcoming things. On February 11th in our meeting, Tom McCown and Craig Lawyer are going to come from Kellogg Hubbard Library to give us an update before town meeting. Scott Bassage actually wants to resign as the alternate to the Suns of Vermont ISP. Oh, really? And he's got somebody else in mind that he know their name. That's why he's suggesting that he resign because he thinks this person would be really good. Katie, I think you said you would take town meeting minutes for us. Yes. OK, great. And the school is looking to get somebody to do that as well. I believe that somebody from Lakes and Pond or Lakes and Streams, whatever they're called, might come to the meeting on the 11th. They want to apply for another Greeter grant like they did at Curbs Pond this past summer. That's checking for millfoil and educating? Yeah. Educating people about Greeter boats clean. Yeah. It sounded like I don't know which pond they're going to do it at, but I thought they said they would alternate. You guys helped me remember. They did it at Curbs Pond, and we suggested maybe they do it at another pond the next time. So just keep that in mind when we're talking with them. I don't know. I mean, like the next summer or like they rotate around a week by week? No, like the next season. Seasonal. OK. Seasonal. Yes. What else? What else do you have? Can you remember anything else? Everybody from the town office, staff is good. Everything is going good. We're going to enable two additional home lines coming in so we can have a true multi-line system and take full advantage of the phone system that we invested in. And get that all working so that by the time, hopefully by the time we get to a town hall meeting, that's all green and running. And when I talked to the staff last week, you weren't here because you had a work thing, but Judy was going to make or have Barbara make the calls to consolidate it because you know how it happens. You get on the phone for three hours trying to get to somebody. Cook needs to sign it. To turn on the other two lines because right now, when you call in, if somebody's on the line, you get this message that says it doesn't roll over so you can't leave a message basically. So we need to get the other two lines activated. Yeah, and I want to have a brief chat with them so that we agree on a plan of how they want the system to function so that she knows all the things to ask them to turn on so she's not having to make multiple calls. Right. Hopefully just take care of it. One three-hour session instead of multiple three-hour sessions. Is this system on and by consolidated? No, it's on by us. But to take advantage of the functionality, you have to have certain bells and whistles turned on in the lines that are coming in. And we have four lines? We will have four lines. We'll have separate extensions. The Treasurer, the Listers. Zoning. The zoning administrator. And of course, a main line for people coming in. There'll be a two-line functionality so that somebody calls in to the town and goes to the main line. If somebody's already on that line, it rolls over to the secondary line so we can handle multiple calls. Four lines is different than the number of voicemail boxes that we can have, right? Yeah, okay. So this will be, this means if Judy answers the phone and Sandra's not available, she can switch the call over to Sandra's voicemail and they can leave a message or the Listers. So they're not having to take care of written messages. Is it gonna be automated, what's that call? If you know your party's extension, please dial. Well, that's one of the questions I have for the staff. We can do that. Is that what they would want to do? I would think, at the very least, after hours, you'd want to have- Right, we talked about an after hours thing that they could turn on. And also, they wanted to be able to access their voicemail from home. Judy often checks messages on Fridays or the weekends from home just to see if there's any emergencies. Well, now she'll only be getting her own. And the main line. But, you know, somebody might just, I don't have time for this and they just leave their thing in the general mailbox. She'd be able to forward it to the appropriate party. So I think it'll be a lot better for the public. And we still, the goal is to still have a person answer the phone. Right. That's definitely agreed upon by all. We also want to get all of the speed dial numbers programmed in and each user who has their own handset can have a different set of speed dial numbers that they program in. So maybe the ones that Sandra uses aren't the same as the one Judy uses. Right. And also, Sandra's was going to have a noise canceling headset or something. She's got a hands-free headset with noise canceling so that, you know, if she wants to step away because there's a bunch of noise here, she can call people. Right, and the problem is too, is that when she's trying to concentrate on stuff on the computer for NEMRIC and number things, it's distracting to hear all the other noise. Yeah. So that'll be helpful to her. I like the idea of having somebody answer the phone, a person answer the phone. But just personally, in case it comes up, I wouldn't fall on the sword over it. A lot of towns don't have that. And I think it can be something that offices let go of pretty quickly in the name of efficiency. Yeah, maybe we go on baby steps. Oh, I think it's, my recommendation is going to be LITS Enable LIT for after hours. Certainly. With the option to be able to turn it on, let's say that one day there's only one person who can turn it off. Right, right. And it's in the middle of tax season. Right. So you know what, I'm going to turn it on and I'll attend it so I can get the volume of people doing it. Or if Sam is working on a Friday, she can turn on the right. So we'll at least authorize the flexibility they have to turn it on when they need to. Well, the clerk can always do it in the right way. Right. Yeah, she can do it in the right way. I mean, the goal was to make it more efficient for the office staff to provide better public customer service. That's the one I'm looking for. Thank you. Customer service. But people really felt, you know, we still need to try to answer the phone in person if we can. That's the ultimate goal. I don't think we can. Such a nice thing in this day and age here in a real voice. It is, it really makes a big difference. Well, one thing I will say in offices, in towns where I, you know, I call and leave a message, I'm always really impressed at how quickly people call me back. That is not something you necessarily expect in this day. And to get a call back from a town office means, as much to me, as having someone answer the phone. Yeah, yeah. If they don't answer the phone. OK, I'm trying to think if there was anything else. And then we're closing in on town meeting. The Kent Museum people that usually do lunch or doing lunch, donations will go to the town hall. OK, very nice. This is the second year they've done this. Yes. What else is there? You should buy and feed them. $10. What is it now? It's $5 and $5 forever. It has been. You get cents. You know. Um. No. What else? What else? What else? Anything else? Do we should update on any questions? I'm just looking forward to two meetings a month instead of $25. You are. I forgot. I was thinking like you are talking to the meeting queen. I know. I know. OK. I appreciate it. I appreciate it. I appreciate it. Just another committee. Right. And now I'm on the board of directors at the Twin Valley Senior Center. Oh, wow. Rita Copeland. Yeah. She's a sweetheart. Oh, she is. She's great. So. Um. What else? All right. Do you want to do minutes? We haven't done them in a while. Wait a minute. Katie, you have a list. Mm-hmm. All right. So can we call up? Who's driving? I've got. I can show you what's on the screen. Katie, what do you want? Yeah, would you want to scroll into the bottom? Let's do the oldest first. Because we all fall asleep between now and then. Oh, this is December 6th. It was a joint meeting. Oh. Oh, and you know what? I never got back in touch with Ty about filling in the blanks. OK. Well, let's call them up and see what they look like. Yeah. That's the joint one. There were some blanks. Oh, that was the one at the department. Yeah. You know what the blanks are? Let's see if we need to fill them in or if we can. One more. Right there. Yeah. So see that little, wait a minute. Before we go on, see that little jigger thing up in the corner? Left corner. That blue thing. Yeah. That means it's in Google, right? Because when you were asking me today, what is it in? I was like, uh, it's in that little blue thing. That's the Google icon. And then there's a W if it's in a Word document. Oh, I see. Yeah. I think. I couldn't, I was working on something and I, every time I went to get out of it, it said if you leave this page, your changes won't be saved. You shouldn't do that here in Google. And I was in Google. I think that's easier too. All right, so what are we missing for, if you, well, Cliff, it's busy. If you just scroll down, there's some blanks. Let me get it so it's easier to see. Carl Etmeyer's name is spelled wrong, right? No, that's how he's spelled it. That's true. Yeah, the computer doesn't. You'll see it. There's some big blanks. You've got a little further. The one-year contract is that the town of Marshall expires. Why can't we just say, can you go back up? I could just say like up for renewal or something. Why can't we just say that? Can we just say, yep, the town of Marshall is up for renewal. Fire prevention program at Kalman was held this fall. Yeah, that's a good idea. Kalman Elementary School Nurse. What is that? I don't understand. I don't know, but we could just erase that whole line. Nurse safety protocols. Who knows. Probably they were probably reviewed or something. And here's one more. New defibrillators in service. Rescue to loan. Was discussed. Was discussed? That sounds good. Yeah, was discussed. I think that's it. Was there any more? Not in that one, that's it. Okay. Well, that's what we didn't talk about. That looks just right. I think they were just little things. So we can accept those changes, right? Is there a way to go in and accept all? Like you can and not. There is. But when I've done that, I've often missed like, it's hard for someone who's made a change. They might not notice that they've deleted a period or left two periods. It looks weird. So I do them one at a time when I get home. Okay. That's fine. And then I'm exporting it to work anyway. So I want to make sure that. Yeah. And at the top, you change drain to approve. Yeah. All right. So I would make a motion to approve the December 6th, 2018 minutes as reviewed with noted changes. Second. Right. For the discussion. All those in favor, please say aye. Aye. Any opposed? Next. Next is January 7th. There were two meetings. Oh, no. December 17th. December 17th. Where are those? Are they right below the joint meeting? That one has a really long meeting. Yeah. Yeah, there it is. Okay. Yes. What about, did we already approve December 10th? Because we met the 6th, which is the ones we just approved, that was a Thursday night at the firehouse. And then we met on Monday. And Monday the 10th. Well, let's see if we, I mean, we can figure that out, but in the meantime, let's see if we can get these done. I thought that I, I was wondering. December 18th. That East Mount Hillier people came here. Yeah. Right. That must have been. Oh, and I think that, that was at the 17th. No. I was, at the 17th, I was not here. I was definitely here when they all came here. Yeah, the 10th is when they were here. December 10th. Well, we can look on the website, right? Yeah. We can. So can we, oh, I think we, can we finish these before we go? Yeah. I don't know why I put Act 46 there. I was trying to figure that out today, why I put it there, and I can't remember. It was raised, the issue was raised as a cost that was driving deeper thought on all the budgetary items. Yeah. Do we want to put that in there or not? Where is it? I'm just trying to find out where I was going to put it. It might have been. What about there? It's here. It's here, right here. Oh. Oh, okay. They have Act 64? Oh yeah, right. It's Act 46. That's what it was. Well, there we are. That was easy. That was easy. But I thought. Okay. It's not really, it's hard when a button, and when a lot of people have made comments. It's this long. It's hard to see where they are. Well, that's what, yeah. That's what, it actually is easier to just look at the strikes and highlights. They're still there. All right. So these were December 17th, Katie? Yes. All right. Does anybody want to make a motion to approve these minutes with changes as noted and discussed? Okay. Is there a second? I'll second. All right. Any further discussion? All those in favor, please say aye. Okay. Katie, I'm going to stay and I wasn't there. Okay. Now you want to go to December 10th. What did you say? I think we already approved. Well, if we can look on the website, we can look at the current. I'm checking that right now. Okay. Great. 12-10, 2018 is approved. All right. Excellent. So now we're into January, right? Yep. Yeah. There were two on the same day. You had 6 p.m. and a 7 p.m. special meeting. So let's do those first. I'm on the top, right? 6 p.m. Which one was that? Oh, this was the personnel matter? Yep. Yeah. Okay. I'll move that way to approve it. I'll second it. All those in favor, please say aye. Aye. Aye. Any opposed? Okay. Then we look at the 7 o'clock meeting. Oh, Mark Brown, that was bad. We appointed to the conservation. Okay. And he certainly is. If you look at the warrants from tonight, he's using the, you know... Does anybody know what's going on with the truck? Or anything? It's, I think it's at the western star. Not me. The junk. I mean, the international. We're trying to unload. Oh, we sold it. We got 45,000. It is sold. It's been complete. We got the junk. It went to... Um... The other party that was in... 4048? There was another party that was interested. We thought there might be difference. It was... Offer of the first. 45,000. I can't remember. I think I know. That just curious. But it's good. So it's not ours anymore. Signed off. Right. The road commissioner reported that he would begin using the three-part time employees in the schedule. And... Oh, Rose wants to add the three... Per diem. Oh, they're not per diem, though. They're paid by the hour. Per diem means used as needed. They're not part time, because if they're... They're not employees. And they're not employees. They're not employees, but they're... To me, per diem... I don't know. I always thought per diem was $300 for the day. Per day. Per day. Right. That's usually what it means. Do you see some of them? What are they trying to do? Per diem usually means to drop them out for that day. Right. We call them spares, and that's probably not the right word to use either. And why aren't they part time? They don't have an ad hoc. They're not just contractors. No, they are part time, but they don't get benefits. Well, they're con... But are they employees? They... Yeah, they have withholdings. They have withholdings. Yeah, so they're employees. Okay, so they're employees. They're seasonal employees. They're not contractors. Seasonal. Seasonal. Well, replacement. Yes. Well, but they are part time, too. Part time employees. Yeah, they are. They're seasonal on their part time, because they can be used any season. They can be used in any season. Maybe seasonal is not right. I think just part time is... Maybe we just go back to what we started. That would be my suggestion. We use them in the summer time. Well, they would use them in the summer time. We have. Oh, really? They don't have to do an ad hoc. Yeah, degrade. Oh, that's right. Yeah. Yeah. That's right. Okay. I think you know what number. That's right. Um, the cheer. Oh, I added that when I went through them. I've been asked this already. I've got George's name, but she's out of it anyway. She's out of it. Oh, she is. Yeah, so. Yeah. Well, I'm still. But that doesn't change our minutes. It's a conversation we had. Is there anything else? Yeah. That's a nice significance. All right. Anybody want to make a motion to approve the one-seven special meeting minutes? Yes. It's the regular meeting. Special meeting. Special meeting. I'll second. Okay. All those in favor, please say aye. Aye. Any opposed? You're right now. So she's, she did step in. Yeah. And it's ending up. It's very general's office requested. Yeah. And it's ended up in Memorial County. Judge Melo. Judge Melo. St. St. offense, right? Oh. No, no, no. It's not. It's William Franklin. So he's probably Franklin and Chittenden. It's Franklin. I know. I'll just, I'll just look for the, I just didn't see it. Yeah. I can read it. All right. Fourteenth. The chair, the chair of the nation on a meeting. On a recent, on a recent meeting. At a recent meeting on act 46. That wasn't the legislators and local officials. Wasn't that the one like at Adamant County? Well, that was a Saturday morning meeting. That was one day was that meeting that we're looking at the 21st. But it was more than just act 46. I was a legislative meeting at which act 46 was discussed among other things. Yeah. I mean, it was, it wasn't just on act 46. We say the chair shared information on that meeting held at the Adamant County committee club on 12th. It was January 12th. Saturday. Saturday, January 12th. With, with legislators. It was just legislators. Yeah. It was Kimberly. Kimberly, Jessup and Janet and so. Right. And Andrew. And didn't make it. And residents. And residents. For me, it's Montpelier and Callas. Can we just say the group discussed their concern. Or something like that. So it wasn't board members. That were at the meeting. I don't think we need to have any details. No. But who, but the board members makes it sound like us. So maybe just say residents presented their concerns. Yeah. Residents expressed their expressed. Yeah. Those in attendance. Because it was from East Montpelier and Callas. Yeah. I'm not at this meeting board members. They're concerned about the representative's representation. Representation of Cal's residents. Will it make sense the whole sentence. We change it. Oh, I see. You were referring to what we talked about that night. Right. Um, the select board. Yeah. Does that reflect. Um, I leave too many questions. Yeah. Unless we're going to. It's not. Yeah. What are our concerns that gets. Yeah. Or just put it in a whole new paragraph. Because then it don't, do we ever come back to the meeting. Sometimes I look back at minutes. No, no, no. Does, I mean, do the minutes ever come back to that adamant community club meeting. Or did it just launch from there and. What? What? Our conversation that night. Oh, it launched from. Right. That's if you ever come back because if we have Katie take all this out. We might actually. We might be having her take. We might be having her take out the rest of since we actually want to keep. That's right. Just not in the context of the adamant community. Let's make it a, let's make it a new paragraph. Right. Do that. So then it looked. So. Can we say select board numbers and then it's clear. Yeah. Discuss. Let's just say the select board talk discussed. Discuss. They're concerned and blah, blah, blah. And that's what we talked about. Yeah. And then we, and then we invite, and then we decided to invite the. That's what we talked about on having this joint meeting. Right. With the school board. I think it's not willingness. I think it's just a fire fight. And the board's. Interest. Inherit. To hear. And hearing. Perpendence. Yeah. Where do you want that? Instead of their willingness. Interest in hearing. Across section of. Hearing the cross section of. Residents. A variety. So we have to make sure tonight's minutes are really clear that we've said. Not to have the February 10th meeting. Right. 2019 morning. Budget. So to be clear to use the outside of this, you were told that the school was going to conduct that very same meeting. Anyway. Well, they're going to do an informational meeting. Night before. Meeting. Kind of. Which isn't exactly like this. But I think that it will. Evolve into that. Well, I think the interest, the idea of having it earlier. And it doesn't, it's kind of. Things are moving so fast. Right. The idea was to encourage our legislative representatives. To support. I think, right. I think that. Meeting. And I think they are. To some. To varying levels. Right. Yeah. I just think it's a lot to try to pull together. Yeah. I'm not pressing this. It's going to have a different effect. And I think I made a note that. All the way through cuts has to step to tease, but you can just do a surgery place when you get a chance. What's that happening? Oh. I don't mind. I'm not. Okay. But you and I need to work on a letter. Thank you. The letter is on the spacing. The letter we were going to draft for the board to sign. Just pull it pointing. Some legislative initiatives that even this year next year. We would like to have. Right. Like the speed limit thing. Right. But we could start. Thinking about things. Yeah. Yeah. Right. We could still get our staff in their head. All right. Everybody good? Yep. All right. We would like to make a motion to approve the minutes with. The items discussed to be changed and. And the other comment. Other changes. We'll make the motion. So we want to second that. Second. All those who take the please say aye. Aye. All right. All right. Now what's next? 18th. 18. Okay. And then after that we're caught up. No. Oh. We're in California times. Yeah. Yeah. That's good. And I'll be on it. Oh, okay. This was when Greg came. And I made a change to something like these. I'm not sure that my change took. Wait a minute. Currently the budget. Okay. So what I had put in a. I put in a comment, but it's not there. I see. You can see my comments just further down below. Oh. See. Isn't that weird? Denise, it's because you're. It's because you're commenting, not changing. But isn't that what you're supposed to do? Either way. But if you, if you actually, there's three different modes you can use. And if you're in suggesting. It's like using strikes and highlights and word. And then you get both. The comment on the side that you're. And the. Yeah. And the change. So what, what, what's your name? It's called suggesting. Can you show that? Really? Or can you not shrink yours down? Mine's here. Here's suggesting. That's what you're, that's what you're. That's what I should be using. Yes. Oh, yeah. That's, that's why sometimes. That's why mine always show up. Right. That's why you lose comments. Yeah. It's suggesting. Where the pencil is. Where the pencil is. Right there. See, there's three different. Oh, okay. Yeah. So you want suggesting. Good to know. That way it'll show up in the body. It'll show up on the side. Yes. And if you, if you're in editing. The changes don't show. So that's bad. I mean, they just show up in the box. No, they just. Oh, because I just usually become comment. Right. That, that, that works to make a comment. Except you have to remember to save the comment. If you leave the document without. Saying like that. That's it. That's it. No, I always. No. Suggestions are not to be saved. Suggestions should just. What? Cliff and I are going to test. That's the way to go. Cliff and I will test. And then we can do like a 20 minute tutorial with this. I know. If you use suggesting, it works. That's good to know. All right. Moving on. What is it? Things like that. It's not a typo. No, well, well. It just means things like that. It's not a typo. It's not a typo. It's not a typo. It's not a typo. It's not a typo. It's not a typo. Is there another word we can use? Because if I don't know what that means... We'll show you common words, Denise. You know what I mean? I need to update your book. If we weren't here you know what I'd say to you, right? I'm gonna say 2019 books. So to use it, John, if you were going to use it in a sentence you would say Denise, people of your ilk need to update the vocabulary. Exactly. I don't like that word. It actually could be condescending, depending on how it's used. I'm not above your ilk of your class. We can say, Katie, can you rewrite and take ilk out? It could say, where is it? It looks like, I think I've heard that word, but I don't know. Now you know it. There it is. It's learned. Learn a word every day. Is that what you're supposed to do? That's why everybody knows what it means. You tried, Katie. I know, it was fun. I read it. I was like, that was a fun word. Yeah, Katie, I made that up. Cause it didn't stop at the start. January 18th, Minute with Suggested Edits. I got abstained because of where ilk was your move. Somebody like to make a second? All those in favor, please say aye. Any opposed? Last one. Oh, this was just last week. Yeah, these looked fine to me because I read them. Thank you for giving me the little template. Alright, anybody want to make a motion to approve the January 21st minutes with edits? Second? Second. So we're caught up? Good job. Alright, it's a little afternoon. Do you want to do that letter that I sent around in Executive Session? Maybe we can just get that done real quick and get it out. It looked good. The letter and the attachment. We should still go into Executive Session then. I think it will take a very short time. Some of that we go into Executive Session for 905 to discuss personnel matters for one BSA Session 13. And other matters of that ilk.