 Hovering high above progressive field and Cleveland for the 90th major league baseball all-star game welcome back To our set down the first base line here a progressive field. That's right the big hurt the Hall of Famer Frank Thomas Hey Rod Alex Rodriguez is here. I'm Kevin Burkhardt. We've gotten to the bullpen. We've called in our guy Ken Rosenthal Ken Always a pleasure to see you my man. Thanks. So let's dive in and let's talk about the the number one talked about name in this trade Market it's Madison bum gardener right everybody wants him at least a lot of teams do what are you hearing? What are you feeling about bum owner where he's gonna be going? Well, it's interesting you talk to some of the teams always at this time of year you here Well, he's not really all that good. Yeah, not what he was in 10 and 12 and 14 in October Well, no kidding, but he is a guy whose stuff has come back and his velocity is up to strike out rates up walk Rates good the question has been the hard hit percentage He's given up a lot of hard hit balls in fact the highest rate in the national league And that is a fair concern but a couple of starts ago He made an adjustment started using both sides of the plate and it looks like he's coming around a little bit guys Have to adjust now ball is alive The offense is thriving everywhere and pitchers do have to do some different things. He is Madison bum gardener He's a guy capable of special things. We know that so what I reported today was that? Among the team showing interest. This is not an exclusive list, but among the teams the Brewers the Braves the Twins and the Astros now He has an 18 no trade list and we'll show you the list right here It's not a list that is necessarily prohibitive though It's a list where he basically picked the teams. He thought might want him just in case there's an agreement He'll have some leverage smart man might want to get some more money out of this So it says the headline there. That's a no for me. No, it's not. It's just a Possibility of a no and that could get him something in return, but I do expect he will be traded I do expect that he will bring a return similar to what the Rangers got for you Darvish a couple of years ago It's not going to be great. He's a potential free agent Two months from what Madison well, I'm gonna you're not getting the world for him But Alex this is still a guy that a lot of teams are gonna say okay He's he's someone we can trust in October. Yeah, no no question about it And look October is about peace of mind and when you think about the Yankees championships It has been David Wells Andy Pettit Ron Gidry. You need that left-handed this guy's not only 30 KB You brought up a great point in the green room. This guy has a lot at stake He's only made 57 million dollars in his entire career only 12 this year. Well in comparison to others I mean, here's a guy's looking at Chris Hale and he says you can do that But the bottom line is this guy has a lot at stake. Maybe New York is not a long term But if you're the Yankees you're 14th in the American League and starting pitching that is a hole And you've got to fill it and now with a three or four But with a number one and that's Madison bomb garden I feel the same way as you a rod This guy's been grossly underpaid for what he's done on the big on the big stage for world series championships. I Love it. I love his list It's no list because he deserves more money and I think that's what's gonna happen Have you heard anything about that at all? No, I don't know that he'll press Frank for an extension necessarily But maybe he gets a million dollars to approve the trade something along those lines. I mean the point is though He's he's never gotten the big kind of the sale the shirts are kind of he's never gotten that despite all his His postseason success of 211 era in the postseason. So, you know, he's got to be feeling like and keep in mind Kevin It's in his interest to be traded because if he gets traded in the middle of a season as a potential free agent No qualifying offer no draft pick compensation. He'll be an unrestricted free agent And Kenny to your point that era all that stuff like this. It doesn't matter. You saw Cole Hamels go from Texas to the Cubs There's an uptick these guys understand October Baseball. They're not gonna be frightened and now you mr. Big hurt You have some breaking news. Nope. No breaking news at all I just I was in Chicago yesterday for the Sox Cubs and Theo Epstein is not happy with his club team right now. Have you heard anything about maybe a trade up to break up? Some of them are not in that clubhouse. Yes, and they certainly are looking to upgrade and Frank You're absolutely right. Theo Epstein and Jed Hoyer both have been public in the last week Expressing their dissatisfaction with the team's performance. What is one way to shake it up to bring in some new blood now? I know one guy they like he's currently on the injured list David Peralta from the Diamondbacks. He is a professional hitter someone who would help them a lot against right-handed pitching But who knows maybe they're at this point ready to decide, you know what this young group of hitters We've assembled not all of them have progressed the way we wanted to and maybe they break it up Joe Madden is he at all playing for a job or is he safe? He is safe in my opinion during the season Once the season is over and his contract expires if they were a disappointment I would expect that they would make a change. In fact, I was a little bit surprised They did not make a change at the end of last season because I was hearing things even then about The possibility that Theo Epstein might think they need a new direction. They've been talking about All these think different things they want to do great greater urgency a different tone in the clubhouse Well, these are code words for we want the manager to do some things differently Joe Madden has and listen, they've been a great second half team under him But yes, his job is at stake, you know, can I spoke into a lot of players KB and they're happy with him He's doing more coaching. He seems energized with my time around him He still seems like he's at the top of his game. Sometimes the answer is not the manager agreed and It's interesting too guys. Perhaps they Overrated what they had a little bit Schwerber is not the player they thought Russell not the player. They thought Al Mora Okay, Ian Haps in the minor leagues. So while Chris Bryant bias and contraris have become really good players that whole group hasn't Developed as one so Yeah, maybe they need to do something different, you know, there's just one last thing of the Cubs Then I want to move on to something else But Frank I thought Frank brought up a great name Kenny just kind of we're just kind of spit-balling and having lunch before the show Whitmerefield that just feels like a good fit for the Cubs guy That's a great second baseman can play anywhere can play the outfield move around that. I don't know Frank brought up I kind of like that idea for it's a great name and Cubs fans have been salivating over that name I don't expect it's going to happen. Oh Frank. I try he's under a long-term club friendly deal the Royals love him they think he could be part of their future even though he's a little bit older and To get him. It's going to take major league pieces now Maybe the Cubs would part with some but it's just a lot to ask from the Royals because I don't I just don't think they want to trade yeah big hurt He's getting scoops today Today and you're gonna watch this team and not motivation. He knows exactly all right Kenny We got more with you next hour of the show. So thanks. We'll have more on the yanks more on the fills with Kenny