 The dust will settle only when everyone agrees to stop kicking the dirt Very good sue Roll call, please Excuse Now if we can all stand and join Alderman Heidemann in the Pledge of Regents Thank You Joe looking for approval of the minutes of the prior common council meeting vice president Decker Thank You mr. Mayor and move to approve the minutes from the previous council meeting second We have a motion in a second under discussion on approval of the minutes There is no discussion all in favor say aye opposed motion carries Confirmation of mayors appointments attorney McLean honorable members of the common council I hereby submit the following appointment for your confirmation Greg Ryan to be considered for appointment to the sustainable shabuagan task force to fill the unexpired position of Heather Cleveland whose term expires for 23-2012 signed by the mayor do we have a motion vice president Rindflash? Vice president Decker, excuse me Yes, I move that the floor be open for nominations for Apologize Motion to confirm motion to confirm We have a motion in a second to confirm Greg Ryan to the sustainable shabuagan task force and as I said earlier no relation to me under discussion If there is no discussion all in favor say aye opposed motion carries attorney McLean Todd wolf to be considered for appointment to the city plan Commission to fill the unexpired Position of Stephen Hemsing whose term expires on 428 2014 signed by the mayor Do we have a motion? We have a motion in a second to suspend the rules as anybody opposed to the rules being suspended Rules are suspended We have a motion in a second to confirm the appointment under discussion There is no discussion all in favor say aye opposed motion carries Election of the board of water commissioners. We only have one Candidate I move that we open the floor for nominations for a member of the board of water commissioners We have a motion in a second to open the floor for nominations do we have any nominations I'd like to nominate Ray Hain for the board of water commissioners We have a motion in a second to nominate Ray Hain Are there any further nominations? Are there any further nominations? Going three times. Are there any further? nominations There are not vice president Decker Move that the nominations be closed and the city clerk be directed to cast him an unanimous ballot for Ray Hain There's a number of board of water commissioner Second We have a motion in a second to close the ballots and pass a unanimous vote for mr. Ray Hain who is an existing member of the board and mr. Hain is here Mr. Hain would you like to say anything if you can step up front sir? Thank you I look forward to to another term on the board. We have a relatively ambitious master plan for an aging facility And a lot of aging infrastructure and obviously with the economic times Every month we deal with how we're going to handle things and how we're going to make things last so I Look forward to trying to implement that master plan which each year gets closer and closer to the point We're really going to start doing some major projects though. Thank you for your vote of confidence. Thank you, Ray Okay Yeah, we have a motion to unanimously nominate Anonymously pass the vote for mr. Hain all in favor say aye opposed motion carries Public forum sue First on the list would be Patrick Gillette. You could come to the front That you may have to maneuver that thing. It looks like it's been bent a few times with Mike Your home address please home address is 915 North Avenue City of Sheboye North what North Avenue will have five minutes sir. Thank you. Mr. Mayor and members of the Sheboye Common Council Tonight, I'm addressing the many misconceptions Deceptions delusions and totally inappropriate misgivings alluded to by certain members of this council The mayor and the mayor's attorney First of all the cost to the taxpayer regarding the process of removal the mayor There's no cost for a special prosecutor The cost for the procedural attorney to represent the city is the same as when he represents the law and licensing committee And those hearings that he represents are for sex offenders and tavern licenses that cost is higher than the cost regarding this matter Secondly regarding the mayor's rights What about the victims rights? All you discuss is drunken is the mayor's drunkenness What about the mayor's sister-in-law? What about Angela Payne? What about the girl allegedly sexually assaulted in Elkhart Lake and who knows how many others what about the victims rights? Third I want to talk about procedure Those are you who are opposed to going forward with the complaint process or either ignorant of the municipal code and state statutes Or wrongly believe that you're immune from charges for malfeasance Misfeasance or misconduct in public office The city adopted state statute 1959 code of ethics as amended for local governments that government Decisions and policies be made in the proper channels of the government structure That the public has confidence in the integrity of its government to establish guidelines for ethical standards of conduct setting forth those acts or Actions that are incompatible with the best interests of the city The provisions and purpose of this article and such rules and regulations as may be established are Declared to be in the best public interest to discharge faithfully the duties of their office regardless of personal considerations Public officials should not exceed your authority or breach the law No city official shall grant any special consideration treatment or advantage to any citizen beyond that which is available to every other citizen This code requires that public officials be independent impartial and responsible Your opinion the mayor's actions are not in the public's best interest The law and procedure established by this city and state government are Once a complaint is filed and accepted law and procedure rule not emotions or opinions Fourth in my opinion members of this council as well as the mayor and his attorney have caused delays in this process The mayor and his attorney clamor for due process yet they themselves as you serve the process The mayor's attorney letter to the council. It's a mute issue another example of threats to the council. First of all This is a quasi judicial hearing Vordare is a mute issue the juries pre-selected Secondly the issue of the legal standard by which the mayor would be removed is clearly spelled out in municipal ordinances and state statutes Certain members of this council and the mayor's attorney should read them Third the issue of the ADA complaint This is just another attempt by the mayor's attorney to muffle the already confused minds of certain council members The issues of fact are the mayor is not being investigated for his alcoholism But for actions he took while using his alcoholism as an excuse The mayor has lied to this council several times The mayor's public display during the council meetings on August 15th, 2011 Was the basis for the complaint before the council tonight? All these conditions are prima facie The facts speak for themselves require no witness Second of all, it would be ipso facto in other words definite grounds and the code says so ipso facto dismissal For violation of these grounds Without a doubt the only protection the mayor has the fire Department has the police department has is either are protected by state statute or ever contract to specify a procedure The only thing this council has to do is worry about the procedure The mayor and his attorney have had ample time to establish a proper basis for a claim under ADA but refused to do so The ADA rules do allow for disciplinary action and termination for alcoholics All public officials and officers of the court are accountable for their actions These threats and misinformation have got to stop the procedure and subsequent investigation Me Pat, would you like your extra minute? I got 10 seconds It's really additional minute Sorry the procedure and subsequent investigations will reveal the truth. Thank you Thank you next Henry Camotillo Henry, can I have your home address, please? Yes 1619 North 38th Street, and that's in the town of Sheboygan North what North 38th Street, okay, and you will have five minutes, sir. Okay. I'm here not to kick up any dust so After hearing the former alderman patchellette Sighting all the reasons why you should get rid of the mayor I'm basically here to tell you that or to ask you that to put this all to rest tonight You know if you look at this just look at the cameras that we have here Headlines for how many months about this issue And you're saying what what did he do? What illegal activity did he do if you recall? We had a state attorney general Peggy Langen slaughter got cited for DUI An offense we had our former sheriff Sheriff Coney DUI Also, we had I think a state senator this last year DUI spent time in jail None of these people were were terminated from their employment none of these people their boards ended up getting rid of them But because the mayor went out and got drunk passed out at some bar You want to get rid of them if you're looking at for a fight? I think you're gonna get one I mean, I'm pretty sure everybody read the the newspaper with the lawyers Comments on there, and it doesn't take a genius to figure out that the mayor is not just gonna crawl in some hole if you get rid of him He is definitely going to be filing some kind of lawsuit for wrongful termination I mean his attorney will fight he gets one-third of whatever the mayor gets You've already lost one lawsuit. You may say no, we didn't we just settled the newspaper said anywhere from $700,000 to $350,000. I Mean I'm thinking of a quote that I heard from senator the minority Senate leader Mitch McConnell that basically said you don't gain Any education from the second kick of the mule? Meaning you've already lost one and now you're asking for another situation where you could potentially lose more Maybe even millions I Think the mayor is a fighter. He's not just gonna give up and die. He's gonna keep fighting this issue until he Sees his satisfaction You're talking about the cost the cost mr. Gillette said there's no cost to the city. I think that's baloney This attorney is gonna charge you on a per-hour basis whether he's he's he's doing it for some hearing that he attends or He's gonna be keeping an eye on the lawyer that's not charging you anything, but he's gonna be getting paid You've already approved $50,000 for Spending of that money if you would have taken that money You could have paid for the quarry to keep open to fund the lifeguards But you didn't and you've already approved that that expenditure expenditure up to $50,000 You say well, you know what he's embarrassed the city How many other issues can you think of other other people that have embarrassed the city or potentially have? Embarrassed the city if you look at I've talked to city employees They think he's done a good job. I think he's done a good job And you know what I didn't even support the mayor when he was running for election for mayor I supported his candidate Terry van Akron, but I'm the first one to tell you I think you're doing the wrong thing by getting rid of them or trying to get rid of them If you think it's embarrassing now wait until this all goes into the media You're not only going to see the state media here. You're going to see CNN Fox MSNBC How many nights did we hear about the recall elections in Madison and everything in the state that we had? $30 million over $30 million spent for what nothing nothing happened. You could have taken that $30 million and probably spent it on Rehabbing some schools or funding some teachers instead of doing that So I would ask you you know what look at the look at the long picture Look at what's going to happen if this goes on are we going to continue this and you may say well We we're willing to take the chance You know what I've already heard things out in the community of things that are going to come out of you Other council members embarrassing things that are going to come out if he ends up having to go through court And he's going to end up subpoenaing people. You know what I? Wouldn't want that on the front page of the paper But you think that this isn't going to happen. You better believe it. It is It's it's a circus media now and look at what's going on ever since this started Instead of why do you think that people get so frustrated with their elected officials the Congress approval rating is at 12% I would imagine that it's similar to local Officials and state officials excuse me Henry. Would you like any extra time? Yes? If you if you look at what the issues are even in Sheboygan County or city Sheboygan here unemployment rate is 10.3% if you were taking your time and initiatives I'm looking at those types of issues. We might have more people employed in this city Instead of spending your time on this issue So what I'm saying is Look at that we look at this realistically and look at what potentially could happen And if you think that we we've had headlines you haven't seen nothing yet So I would ask you to put this to rest end it tonight Move on censure the mayor Sure, you may not agree with what he's done But censure him and move on and get get on with important issues within the city Thank you Next next on the list would be Delcey Johnson Delcey, can I have your home address, please? 1306 North 3rd Street Sheboygan You will have five minutes may Orion City Clerk Richards City Attorney McLean Alderman and citizens The Finance Committee reviewed the 2010 audit of the city finances including the Ambulance Fund at their meeting on July 25th The audit shows expenditures in excess of revenues for the Ambulance Fund in the amount of $8,000 or in common bookkeeping a loss of $8,000 the marginal profit which is shown as an expenditure is $289,000 but the Ambulance Fund balance was $8,000 less at the end of 2010 than at the beginning of 2010 The $289,000 contribution to the general fund is a considerable difference from the $376,000 that was touted by Finance Director Amodio as the contribution to the general fund during the ambulance referendum public forums When the labor and benefit expenses of all the personnel needed to operate the three ambulances is calculated The marginal profit becomes a loss of over one and a half million dollars And that doesn't include any cost for Deputy Chief Butler who told me that he estimated He spent 90% of his time on ambulance related work It should also be noted that the fire department answered only 99 structure fire calls in 2010 That's fewer than two calls per station per month They answered 2828 rescue calls and I think personal Expenditures for the ambulance service should reflect this The referendum last November favored the fire department by 500 votes out of 16,000 But for many citizens the issue has not gone away The fire union slogan during the ambulance referendum vote no keep taxes low Didn't exactly work out as they pledged because during last year's budget While all other major department budgets were being cut the fire department received an additional $280,000 with the result of the referendum had been different if citizens had been given different information The city contracted with a new billing service late last year which was expected to greatly increase collections But the new billing service wrote off over $400,000 in the first six months of 2011 while collecting only 374 thousand dollars or less than half of the amounts bill In an effort to bolster revenues Mayor Ryan and Chief Herman have visited all the nursing homes in the city Soliciting transfer business to low local hospitals using fire department ambulances which has been predominantly handled by Orange Cross Per chief Herman transfers from nursing homes using fire department ambulances doubled in the first six months of 2011 and While this may put chief Herman closer to his goal of putting Orange Cross out of business I asked all of you to his who support its efforts to consider the consequences on July 4th all of the fire department ambulances were busy and Orange Cross was called as a backup for an accident in the city Fortunately for those in need of help Orange Cross was still in business But how would that emergency have been handled if the fire department succeeds in putting Orange Cross out of business With those in need of help have to wait for emergency personnel from Usberg or Plymouth or Sheboygan Falls And what would be the impact on those needing help? If Orange Cross goes out of business the only other option to relying on ambulances from other communities Would be to lease additional ambulances and hire more Firefighters which would be a substantial additional cost of the taxpayers and I question whether the taxpayers would support this When the fire department took over the ambulance service chief Herman wrote an article in the Wisconsin professional Firefighters magazine in which he said maybe Orange Cross will still fold and then we'll take over the entire Sheboygan area and hire 12 more firefighters Whenever I have approached chief Herman about this he has responded that he doesn't want to put Orange Cross out of business because he needs them for a backup But his actions speak louder than his words as he continues to try to take more business away from Orange Cross It is one thing to try to run the city as a business But it is totally unethical for a city to try to put a private business out of business At a time when we should be downsizing the fire department chief Herman's long-range plan options include adding long-distance transports Which would take firefighters out of the area for several hours and undoubtedly result in calling in overtime There is no reason for the taxpayers to pay firefighters to do transports because Orange Cross is very capable of doing it and government should not do what the private sector can do To those of you who support Orange Cross and they need ambulance services Orange Cross's number is easy to remember four five one nine one one one and if you have family in nursing homes Tell the nursing staff to call Orange Cross if your family member needs to be transferred to a hospital Thank you Thank You, Delcy Next on the list would be Joanne Scribner. Is she here? I don't see her here. All right, and the last person on the list would be Milt Storm Milt, can I have your home address, please? Yes, 1736 Marvin court And you will have five minutes Thank you. I want to thank the mayor and the council members that I may address you on my version of facts and ideas. I Certainly want to thank Sue Richards department of how graciously they assist me in council proceedings The issue that I would like to address is the recall of duly elected elected government officials Time permitting. I would like to address why we need to Why the need for a city administrator to replace a competent mayor in section 12 of the Wisconsin statutes I found that the recall of elected officials was created in November of 1926 and amended in 1989 by some stroke of genius Last week I came across an article in my national review magazine in regard to the recalls really Recently in Madison and I quote Some 85 years ago an amendment to the Wisconsin Constitution Authorizing the recall procedure was passed Some foresaw the event as this in October 1926 Manitowoc Attorney I. J. Nash wrote an op-ed predicting that such a provision would make Wisconsin the laughing stock of the country Nash added that a recall Proceeding is slow Conducted with passion very expensive sets neighbor against neighbor and is unaccompanied by sworn or competent evidence It convinces very few that justice has been served and how true that is At first the recall provision was passed with only judges in mind and later It was amended to include the state legislature and the governor back then it made no sense to recall a politician who faced an election in a year or so It took 70 years for the first state elected official to be recalled in 1996 That happened to be a good Republican Senator George P tag of the 22nd Senate district, I believe It is now being served by a W. O. Senator Robert Wurch a Democrat It was senator p-tax deciding both to use taxpayers fund to assist the Milwaukee Brewers in building new park with a retractable roof That got him in trouble for that reason the labor unions and unionized Democrats railroaded him out of office This allowed Madison Senate Senate Democrat Chuck Koala become the Senate leader His term did not last long when he was confined to a nine-month prison term So I'm gonna recommended that this council remove the medias charade and the red herring recall From our midst and proceed with the important people's business of this city and allow the good mayor to finish the good Accomplishments he has started so far. It's time for some of you council members to work in good faith with each other My public scrutiny on a city administrator will be at the next council meeting or the committee of the whole. Thank you Thank you, Mel. Thank you, Mel. Is that all that would be it Okay Everybody for speaking at public forum this evening Onto my favorite part of the evening the mayor's announcements One thing I would like to announce on October 20th 2011 from 5 30 to 9 30 p.m. At King Park there will be a Landlords training program This is something that has been done in Milwaukee in Green Bay This is for people that own properties that have tenants It's only a $10 fee and out of that it will be a four-hour four-hour class They will also receive a hundred plus page manual on the rules of being a landlord the the laws of dealing with tenants and some good advice on how to be a proper landlord and how to How to recruit proper tenants into your properties background checks, etc This is something that our planning department and our police department have been working on for some time This is also something that when we look at issues In municipal court regarding landlord tenant, etc It would be in all the landlords best interest to take this program That they know that the courts know that they are doing everything in their power To do the proper thing and to be well-trained so again, that's October 20th from 5 30 to 9 30 at the King Park shelter on the south side of town Any questions people can call the planning department In the city of Sheboygan or email, so that's coming up. It's good. It's a great program something that they've been working on for a while We'll do nothing but benefit our city. I Would like to Have a offer a personal thank you to everybody that participated in the Activities last week for the nation's Cup we had 15 countries that came to Sheboygan for match racing We had a great opening ceremonies. I know a couple alderman attended. I know alderman versi was there Alderman belt was there alderman. Haman was there and I was there along with my daughter Who sat on stage with me because she didn't want to be alone I'd like to thank the US Sailing Center sale Sheboygan for hosting this event the Sheboygan Yacht Club The bid district for the taste of Sheboygan Randy Schwear heading up the bid and all of the restaurants that participated I'd like to thank the Blue Harbor Resort for a lot that they did for this event. I'd also I'd like to thank Festival Foods who put on one heck of a fireworks display on Saturday night if anybody missed that It was the most unique fireworks display I think I ever saw and I was watching it with the Locksley band who's some guys originally from Madison but out of New York They've been living in New York for eight years and they said how the heck are we gonna follow that up after the fireworks because they had to play So I'd like to thank everybody that participated especially the ISAF Who put their faith in Sheboygan to host this event an international sailing event? I spoke to the chairman of the ISAF or president of the ISAF a Gentleman from Sweden and he said that this event that was put on in Sheboygan was as good as any He's ever been to in the world. It's the smallest city. It's ever been in and he said that they will be back So that's huge. So I'd like to thank everybody that that participated and It was a great event it showed what Sheboygan is all about and I'd just like to say thank you to everybody We have some pertinent business to take care of this evening. It's all been discussed time and time again Of course, you all know my feelings I've apologized for my actions in the past. I've been sober for 57 days and will be Every day in the future. I'm working on it every day. I Think it's time that we put this behind us and get on with the business at hand, which is the business of the city everybody knows where I stand on the issue Everybody knows where my legal team stands on the issue. I don't see any winners in this I Will say no more. I'm not going to participate in this conversation. I will ask that alderman Hold your discussion because we have discussed this time and time again to Two times standing up twice So we're not rehashing the same thing over and over again But he knows that up front. So please choose your words carefully So we're not here until midnight So with that I asked that you vote your consciences Vote your cautions. That's all I ask Thank you Vice president Decker. I'd like to pull forward document number 1238 Okay, we have a motion to pull forward document 1238 12 we have a motion in a second 1238 by the Committee of the Whole recommending authorizing the Common Council to engage the services of special outside legal counsel to represent the council with regard to a quasi judicial hearing and authorizing Painting for said services We have a motion and a second under discussion alderman born Thank You, mayor Ryan. I would make a motion to accept and adopt the report of committee and pass the resolution We have a motion and a second to accept and adopt And put the resolution upon its passage under discussion under discussion. There's no discussion roll call, please Belt I Born I Carlson. No Decker I Hommen no Hammond. No Heidemann. All right Hi, Kittlesen. Hi Maddachak. No Raceler I I'm sorry. Hi Samson hi van Akron. Hi and Bersie. Hi ten eyes for nose motion carries Vice president Decker, please Thank You, Mr. Mayor. I'd like to pull forward document number 1239 second Motion in a second to pull forward 1239 1239 by the Committee of the Whole recommending authorizing the Common Council to engage the services of special outside legal counsel to Represent the city of Sheboygan in the role of special prosecutor with regard to a quasi judicial hearing Olderman born Thank You, Mayor Ryan. I make a motion to accept and adopt the report of committee and pass the resolution second Motion in a second to accept and adopt and pass the resolution under discussion Under discussion alderman Hammond Thank You. I just think We want to look At this very closely as we go forward. I know many people have made many many comments. We've baited this to death My concern is not for the mayor's reputation My concern is for the reputation of the city going forward Being privileged is some of the things I know about economic development companies that are looking to move here I would feel absolutely awful if one company decided not to move here and give this city the much needed jobs Because of the antics of the mayor on a weekend in July Again, I would ask Those on the council to think about the long-term future of the city Not what could happen over the course of the next 14 months or if the recall goes through even sooner I'm not happy with what the mayor did. I think I voiced that adequately over the past couple months But I do think we need to look at what the long-term future is What the long-term vision is and not get short-sighted on this So again, I would ask you to reconsider if you're if you voted for this in the past And look at what's maybe best for the city not what's best for the situation. Thank you Thank You alderman Hammond any further discussion Alderman Racelor, thank you, mr. Mayor. I guess I'd like to comment as well Again, I don't condone the mayor's activities, but I want to make sure that we're clear with the fact that this is Has no money attached to it I have talked with the attorney or we discussed it last week at the committee the whole regarding the investigation and If there is any payment to be paid for an investigation by an outside Investigator, I guess I want to make sure that that we know that this does not include this portion of it I've seen what happened in Manitowoc when they investigated the police chief and the attorneys Investigators came in and investigated it was thousands and thousands of dollars I guess that's for my concern is that I want to make sure that we Understand that if this does pass tonight that there was no cost associated with whatsoever Thank You alderman racelor any further discussion There's no further discussion roll call, please Orin I Carlson, no Decker Hammond no Hammond. No Heidemann. All right, cut. Hi Kittleson. Hi Matta check nope Racelor no Samson hi Van Akron hi Percy hi And I missed one Belt Thank you nine eyes five nose motion carries Vice-president Decker I'd like to pull forward document number 1240 1240 by the committee of the whole creating division 5 of article 3 of chapter 2 of the municipal code relating to the position of Chief administrative officer one general ordinance number 2411 12 by alderman Hammond and racelor creating division 5 of article 3 of chapter 2 of the municipal code relating to the same position under Okay, we have it pulled forward alderman Hammond I'm in born Alderman born Thank you again mayor. I'd like to make a motion to hold this I think it would lie over because in discussing this with city clerk Richards today that this was a dual referral to the committee of the Whole and salary and grievances. So do I have to make a motion to that effect or it's Automatically going to go to salary and grievances. It already is in the salary and grievances But this would then lie over if that's your wish, right? And as long as I'm standing here Alderman Decker, were you going to bring forward 1241 also? Yeah, I would make the same request on that one that it's It's already in salary and grievances. So it's go to the next Salary and grievance meeting So we have a motion and a second to hold because these will be discussed at the next salary and grievances meeting Under discussion on holding these documents, they will be referred to salary and grievances There is no discussion all in favor say aye aye opposed They are being held Okay to the front of the list Vice-president Decker Consent agenda 12 1 through 12 20 Thank You mr. Mayor. I move that all our oaths Be accepted and placed on file all our C's be accepted and adopted and all resolutions be put upon We have a motion and a second Under discussion all the person cut I'm going to call documents 12-1 and 12-9 12 1 and 12 9 12 1 an arrow by the Board of Parks and Forestry Commissioners recommending filing document regarding the possibility of annexing the entire town of Wilson dog park to the city and 12 9 Regarding the same issue We will take those for a separate vote, so we will go 12 1 through 12 8 12 10 through 12 20 Under discussion on the rest of the consent agenda Yeah, exactly Thank You Alderman him Okay 12 2 through 12 8 and 12 10 through 12 20 Any discussion on those items There is no roll call, please Carlson. Hi Decker. Hi common. Hi Hammond. Hi. Hi to men. Hi. Hi Kittleson. Hi Maddachuk. Hi Racelor. Hi Samson. Hi, Van Akron. Hi Percy. Hi belt. Hi and born. Hi 14 eyes motion carries 12 1 and 12 9 under discussion all the person cut like to comment on those I just have a few concerns annexing the dump of the town of Wilson dump to the city of Shaboy Okay, just an explanation on this Steve would you like to comment on this or shall I Based basically what we're at is we are going to annex the property into the city however the ownership of the property And the liability on the property is going to remain with the town I believe that's the proposal from the town And what I would suggest is if Council approves these documents that there be a more formal agreement draft it up That will cover liability issues and maintenance issues and so forth, but that's the town is In agreement that the property could be annexed to the city Doesn't mean the city will own it the town will still own that property City for jurisdictional purposes for law enforcement purposes, so we could enforce city ordinances for violations in the in the entire park right now One sliver of the park is in the city and the balance is in the town and it's become Somewhat of a jurisdictional issue over Cross-border situations where our police officers don't have authority to enforce Our ordinances in the town portion and vice-versa. Okay. Thank you Steve any further discussion About my mercy. Yes, ma'am. So just to clarify once this passes there will be more of in-depth formal Yes, I would see a formal agreement being drafted up. I submitted to both parties for final approval Thank you Alderman first the Alderman Hammond. I believe this is your district. Yes Thank you, mr. Mayor. I Would just like to I guess turn McLean maybe can fill me in on this, but I would like to make an amendment to this if you will that will approval pending a written agreement From the agreed upon by this council That way we can we know that we're going to see some sort of document coming through I don't know if that can be a friendly amendment or if we need to Because I too say there are some concerns about having You know next property town of Wilson former dump some of the issues that go along with it I just want to make sure all the eyes are dotted and tease across as I'm sure they will be Thank you Alderman Hammond. So we'd like to make an amendment on this basically a friendly amendment that states that We will move forward And get a more formal document to be approved by council Yeah, can we get a motion just to accept and file and accept and adopt on these two Okay, we have a motion in a second under further discussion Alderman Samson Thank you, mr. Mayor. Can I just what exactly is the benefit then for the city we annexed the property in The town remains or Retains ownership what exactly is the benefit from right now if there's jurisdictional issues If we annex it and they still own it Then does that mean our police department's going to then completely enforce everything? That's exactly why this issue came about to start with Part of the park is presently in the city of sheboygan part of it is in the town of wilson and there were some problems with Basically enforcement of the rules of the park where people would People would call the police department. They'd say it's in the town the town would say it's in the city Sheriff's department going back and forth with the police department The advantage to annexing any property within to the city limits Is that if you annex it into the city and it's part of the city When in future annexations, it's contiguous property So any time you can annex a piece of property you get that much farther out to get a contiguous annexation I believe at a hundred percent in annexation myself It's the only way the city can can grow beyond its present borders That the the drawback here is that this property Is a former dump, which is why we're going to Have the town keep ownership of it. So they have the ownership of the Liability But we will annex it into the city to enforce the The rules of the dog park if that makes sense And for the questions alderman board Thank you, mayor I'm on the parks board and also chairman of the public worst committee and I think An item that I brought up For discussion both at the parks board and at public works Is that seeing that the town of wilson citizens are are still going to benefit by this by being able to bring their dogs there And that our police department is going to have all law enforcement there I think it only fair that possibly you consider working on an agreement With the town attorney mclean that they pay something towards that police protection out there You know, maybe a couple hundred dollars a month Is I guess is a payment in lieu of taxes or something to that effect because their their citizens are benefiting from the dog park And I think we should consider Charging them something for the from for the police Protection out there. I understand from the officer that was at the parks board is that when the When the park first opened there were a number of issues out there With jurisdiction and and And now that we're going to be providing all the protection Perhaps they should be involved with defraying some of our costs on that. Thank you I would just say that the proposal the town put forward does not call for town making any financial contribution for law enforcement services so if If that's the wish of the council that you want some financial Compensation by the town I would include that in this in this proposal that you're acting on tonight because The expectation of the town is that they would not be making a financial contribution their contribution would be to provide The annexation of the property And and I don't want to overstate The law enforcement problems out there. My understanding is and I don't have a dog But my understanding is that this park has been wildly successful people really like it and I don't know if any survey has been done, but I would bet that A large percentage of the users are city residents as opposed to town residents, but Now this you want to give some direction as far as proposing cost sharing that's up to the council and you need a motion I'd like to hear it in You know a determination of the council as opposed to just one individual or A couple of individuals Alderman borne would you like to make a motion to that effect? I'll make a motion that attorney mclean work out a cost share agreement with the town of wilson for police protection for the dog run Also second We have a motion in a second Under discussion simply the motion the amendment to We've got a deal on cost sharing on that issue only alderman racer Thank you, mr. Mayor Just to let you know, we've just dealt with this issue again recently as in my other life as a Sheriff's farm employee There are many parcels in the city of shabuagan Correct me. There are many parcels that the city of shabuagan owns that are currently in the jurisdiction of the sheriff's department So this would just be a complete opposite of that The police department would have the jurisdiction for the quals to Maintain the whole park without just being able to enforce things in certain areas Just as the sheriff's department has a jurisdiction over the property that belongs to the city of shabuagan in numerous areas throughout the The immediate area of the city of shabuagan So we do this in a lot of different places where other jurisdictions cover And are not annexed in and again the reason we cannot annex in as the mayor stated We don't own anything up to these parcels So they stay without nothing contiguous to it and I don't believe there's been any major issues at this park I think it's just one guy not liking the way that the other guy's dog sniffed his dog or something like that I think the chief would be the one to answer, but I don't think we have a lot of calls for service there because then A lot Maybe you can answer because I know we don't we give them to you Chief any uh issues out there that are major issues or I don't think Okay. Thank you chief So we have a bill Okay public works director bill bitters going to give us some Enlightened insight on this issue fully understand the idea of if we're going to provide Services the property should pay something in lieu of taxes, etc But I want to go back a little bit to when we negotiate do with this at town of wilson This is a park that is owned provided fenced and maintained by the town of wilson The original agreement we spent some capital changing some fences and some signs They basically when we proposed this park Wanted us to provide dollars to improve the park To maintain the park We've simply indicated though. It's a town of wilson's park We will do some initial capital which was modest at best And there's a two-way street here to suggest if we're going to provide police protection. They should pay something for that Well, I think their position has been and they've Seated up to our position that this is also a park that they own they maintain And they provide a proportionate to the citizens of our community Citizens of their community and we pay almost nothing for that service So just the response to them would be logical to say you provide some maintenance of the park and you provide some Some ongoing service Thank you, bill alderman hamlin. Thank you, mr. Mayor and that was going to be my question Right now it was my understanding that town of wilson was maintaining that park for us if we in exit Um, a will we'd be now on the hook for maintaining said property and b could that serve as a great compromise With alderman borne's point, you know, they'll maintain it, you know, we've got the police protection over and of course um I also certainly agree with alderman reisler's point, you know, there are certain other areas that we pay Although we have property there. We pay nothing Foreign the county picks up. So um, I would just throw that out attorney McLean I don't know if that was been part of the conversations yet with those guys, but um, I would certainly think that would be a great compromise Thank you. Thank you alderman hamlin from what I understand the town will continue to own the dog park So all other agreements will remain in place with the maintenance being primarily on the town, correct? That answers your question Okay, any further discussion, uh, I guess we are still talking about the amendment to ask the town to Kick in a payment in lieu of taxes to the city. We had a motion and a second on that um Just discussing on the amendment All in favor of that amendment say aye. Aye opposed. No Okay, let's do a roll call on the amendment and i vote will amend it that we are going to request that the town Also include a payment in lieu of taxes When we annex their property Decker no homin no Hammond no Heidemann. Hi Cot. Hi Kittleson. No Maddochak. All right Raceler abstain Samson. Hi Van Akron. No Versi. No Belt no Oren. Hi And Carlson. No Five eyes eight nose one abstention. Okay motion fails back to the original which is the original document along with the amendment of What was the amendment alderman hammond? Oh asking that we have a formal document that comes back to the council Corrected Yes under discussion on that Alderman samson Thank you. Yeah, mr. Mayor. Was there any discussion as far as the cost? if if we annexed this property Granted they own And they maintain it but is where they where are they going to get the money then to maintain the properties that coming from the city Where's it coming from now? They take care of it. It's coming from the town. Okay, so once we annex it They will still maintain funding for that so in the future. Is there any possible? They they will retain ownership of it. We are simply annexing it as far as being part of the city It will still be owned by the town so at this point the city would then not be liable for any potential cost if the town says And we we don't have the you know the money available to maintain it Since you have it annexed they come to us looking for any they would they would still retain ownership of it Okay, so the city doesn't have anything to do with funding anything like that. No, no, okay When they offer to let us own it. We'll say no Being a dump alderman Kittleson. Thanks mayor. I too I went to a meeting at the town of wilson when this was all in the beginning stages And I think it's just it's basically for law enforcement. They will maintain the park. They'll keep it but we're annexing it in so that Law enforcement can have control one area of law enforcement can have control over the park and and Am I correct in my? Assumption of that steve one area of law enforcement will be responsible for the dog park That's kind of what the discussions. I've had with the town attorney I think that's the that's the goal So if we have a dog feces violator at the police department knows about them when they go there for the return trip Thank you Thank you all to person kittleson alderman matta check Um, just had a simple question if we're annexing this and they retain retain ownership Do we get a property tax from them? Town of wilson is exempt from property taxes as a municipality And could they future sell the property to someone else even though it's a dump? I mean if they They perhaps theoretically could but As the mayor indicated this is a former landfill site The likelihood I don't really think the property can be used for much else other than some sort of Passive recreational use on the surface park, but if you'd like to increase your land holdings, I bet you it's a sweet deal Any further discussion there is no further discussion We'll call please as amended Okay So we are doing just one document the rc Shall we do both let's do both anybody opposed to both Okay, which which ones are we voting on now excuse me 12 12 9 and 12 1 One is going to be accepted and filed the other one has the amendment on it. Okay Uh decker. All right common. Hi amond. Hi. Hidemon. Hi koth. No Kittleson. Hi matta check. Hi raceler abstain samson hi Ben Akron. Hi versi. Hi belt. Hi moran. Hi karlson. Hi 13 eyes one no one one abstention motion carries Okay, moving on sorry that was 12 Moving on are we still on the consent agenda? Are we through with it now? Um, we're done with consent We are done with the consent agenda and I have something else You had something else. Okay. We're moving on to the reports of officers too. Thank you Before we do that. I'd like to pull forward document number 11 20 Okay, 11 20 is The page is 11 20 on alderman. Okay matters laid over By the city clerk submitting a citizen complaint from Patrick Gillette regarding the conduct of the mayor during the august 15th, 2011 council meeting Under discussion, uh, I checked with Uh, attorney McLean on the citizen complaint and this meets all of the criteria for a Valid complaint and therefore I would like to refer this directly to the special prosecutor Make a motion to that effect Okay, we have this was on matters laid over under discussion 11 20 Alderman borne this would be actually just Forwarded on I would think because it's not you don't have to vote on it. What's not a committee. It's not a it's not a city committee So if you want it forwarded I'd make a motion then to just forward it to the special prosecutor If I need to do that or we can just forward it Turning the queen do we have to vote on the forwarding of it or can we just forward it? I guess I would recommend voting on that as opposed to filing it or something so that It's clear in the record. What's taken place for forwarding it. Okay so And I would make a motion to file that I would make a motion on document number 11 20 The citizen complaint from Patrick Gillette Directly to the special prosecutor second We have a motion in a second under discussion We'd like to comment on this this motion basically states that in this council meeting when I was speaking I was out of turn or something to that effect and I violated every rule in the book every alderman in this room had The opportunity to call point of order You are a citizen. You are not an alderman Mr. Gillette Mr. Gillette to the floor speak open floor second all in favor of citizen Gillette coming to the floor Say aye. Aye Opposed mr. Gillette Who seconded that by the way Alderman versi called it. Thank you Mr. Mayor and council. This is exactly what might complain states of august 15 2011 If this continues to happen in this council, there will be other action taken Thank you your honor Thank you. Mr. Gillette any further discussion Alderman raceler. Thank you, mr. Mayor. I guess in in reading this I think a lot of the some of the violations are of robert's rules of order and and I guess quite frankly If you attend my committee meetings, I'm probably going to be in violation of every one of those as well At a certain point in time. So I guess I I appreciate the Complaint by mr. Gillette And I with all due respect I'm probably in violation of that as well Thank you alderman raceler any further discussion There is no further discussion The motion is to accept and Forward to the special prosecutor Roll call, please Hammond me. Hammond. No, I'm sorry Heidemann. Hi Koth. Hi kittleson. No Manichek. No Raceler. No samson. Hi Van Ackren. Hi Versi. Hi belt. Hi Boran. Hi Carlson. No Decker. Hi Hammond. No Eight eyes six nose Motion carries Okay, where were we here? Oh now we're finally past the consent agenda. We're on reports of officers to 12 21 through 12 29 to be referred resolutions introduced three 12 30 by alderman boran authorizing the city of sheboygan and its appropriate city officials to formally accept the following project western interceptor Cure in place pipe and manhole rehabilitation Contract contractor visus sewer ink as part of the requirements with the clear water fund alone used to finance the project Alderman boran Thank you, mayor. I'd like to suspend the rules on this one, please second We have a motion and a second to suspend the rules under discussion Alderman Hammond, thank you. Just to clarification why I'm assuming has to do with the grant or the loan, excuse me Uh, I think I'll call on the director bit near to explain this, please And bill you may want to stay up there for 31 and 32 also This is a project that's completed and it was funded partially by a loan through the state This particular resolution is part of the loan package to close on the loan Thank you Okay, is there anybody opposed to the rules being suspended? There's nobody opposed the rules are suspended alderman boran Uh, then I would make a resolution to put the uh Resolution upon its passage Have a motion to put the resolution upon its passage in a second under discussion If there's no discussion roll call, please Heidelman, hi Scott, hi Kittleson, hi Manachuk, hi Brasler, hi Sampson, hi Van Akron, hi Versey, hi Belt, hi Boran, hi Carlson, hi Decker, hi Hammond, hi Hammond, hi 14 eyes Motion carries 1231 by alderman boran approving memorandum of understanding with sheboygan county and the wisconsin dnr for sheboygan river rehabilitation project alderman boran Thank you, mayor ryan. I also would like suspension of the rules on this second We have a motion to second to suspend the rules under discussion on suspension under discussion on suspension This is the time of the essences on this to have this plan done for the river frontage improvements. I believe that Our public works would like to get to act on this within the next week As for I'm asking for suspension Director bitner, do they cover it? Oh, there you are bill Is that pretty well covered? Yeah, this is basically the Is this the dnr grant that we got? For restoration on the shoreline Okay Are we discussing suspension or are we on to okay? Is there anybody opposed to the rules being suspended? Rules are suspended alderman boran. Thank you, mayor I then would like to make a motion to put the resolution upon its passage second Motion to second to put the resolution upon its passage under discussion There's no discussion roll call, please cut. Hi kittleson. Hi maddo check. Hi Racer hi samson. Hi van akron. Hi Percy hi belt. Hi boran. Hi karlson. Hi decker. Hi homin. Hi hammond. Hi Heidemann. Hi 14 eyes Motion carries 1232 by alderman boran authorizing a professional services agreement with seh for the design phase of the shabuagan river habitat restoration project alderman boran Thank you, mayor again. I'd like suspension on this one Second motion to second. Is there anybody opposed to the rules being suspended? Rules are suspended and again time of us is of the essence on this one also to Get going on the plan This work is funded through an agreement with the dnr not to exceed $450,000 And time is of the essence to get this This plan moving can we have a motion, please? I'll make a motion to Put the resolution upon its passage second motion in a second to put the resolution upon its passage under discussion There is no discussion roll call, please kittleson. Hi maddo check. Hi There was my Racer hi samson. Hi van akron. Hi versi. Hi belt. Hi boran. Hi karlson. Hi decker. Hi homin. Hi hammond. Hi Heidemann. Hi and cop. Hi 14 eyes Motion carries 12 33 by alder persons rin flash borne and van akron authorizing a transfer of appropriations in the 2011 budget To establish appropriation for sheboygan river habitat restoration with the wisconsin dnr alderman boran Thank you, mayor. I also asked for suspension on this one and again This ties in with the other documents that time is the essence on getting this transfer about it Motion in a second to suspend the rules under discussion. Is there anybody opposed to the rules being suspended? There's not rules are suspended. Please continue. Thank you, mayor I make a motion at the resolution to be put upon its passage second Motion in a second to put the resolution upon its passage under discussion There's no discussion roll call, please maddo check. Hi raceler. Hi samson. Hi van akron. Hi versi. Hi Excuse me belt. Hi boran. Hi carlson. Hi decker. Hi homin. Hi hammond. Hi heidemann. Hi cots. Hi and kittleson. Hi 14 eyes motion carries 12 34 to be referred Report of committee 7 12 35 by law and licensing stating that they scheduled a quasi judicial hearing to determine whether the beverage operator License number 9 1 3 0 held by micruno should be suspended or revoked and stating the facts and finding of facts all-the-person Cough Thank you, mayor ryan I moved out the rcd accepted and adopted to revoke micruno's beverage operator like second We have a motion in a second to accept and adopt under discussion There is no discussion roll call, please I Motion carries 12 36 by public protection and safety recommend filing general ordinance number 2011 12 By all the person's van akron heidemann and decker repealing and recreating section of the municipal code So as to require notice to neighbors of an appeal pursuant to section 7 265 Of the code Alderman van akron Thank you, mr. Mayor. I would make a motion that we file this document Motion to accept and adopt And file In a second we have a motion in a second under discussion under discussion. Mr. Mayor. Thank you What occurred with this is the police chief came forward and explained that the police department would be able to Basically take on this effort without causing a fee to be in place Basically, they would come forward and be able to notify anyone who signed up of upcoming public protection and safety Meetings that would be in reference to any sex offender residency restrictions They would also put that on their website as alerts so that This information is more publicly distributed People are able to locate it on the police department's website as well as anyone who signs up Would receive a text or an email as a reference to these meetings And if they wanted to come and collect more information at these meetings, they would then have that information Thank you. Alderman van akron. Alderman decker No, thank you, mr. Mayor. Alderman van akron explained it quite well unless uh, Please chief has anything else to say more specifics on The chief just gave us the big no Any further discussion? There is no discussion. No further discussion roll call. Please Samson. Aye van akron. Aye Versi. Aye Belt. Aye Boran. Aye Carlson. Aye Decker. Aye Hammond. Aye Hammond. Aye Heidemann. No Koth. Aye Kittleson. Aye Manachuk. Aye And racelor. Aye Thirteen ayes one no Motion carries reports of committees 8 12 37 by finance recommending setting the rates for the provision of dedicated fire and medical services Standby is provided to the public by the shabuigan fire department in passing the attached Substitute resolution finance alderman hammond Thank you, mr. Mayor. I move the rcb accepted and adopted and the substitute resolution be put upon its passage second Motion and a second to accept and adopt and put the substitute resolution upon its passage under discussion Alderman versi first to the button. Thank you, mr. Mayor. I'd like to just kind of point out to the fact that I don't agree with this whatsoever. I'm this this is a service that has been done And since the city of shabuigan taxpayers are requesting these such as the shabuigan youth football They did do standbys down there and now they're going to go ahead and charge for that same standby with all these city taxpayers being down there I guess they kind of have an issue with that Um in the past it's been a private service and they had to pay for it Actually, they didn't pay for it in the past now that they're going to have to pay for it I feel like they're Already doing a service by having their community Functions in our city and now we're going to penalize them if they want to have some coverage there Which is paid for by tax dollars already So i'm not in in supporting this tonight because of that reason. I think it should still be a community service that we provide Thank you. Alderman versi alderman van akron I I guess I'd first open the floor to chief herman if you'd like to answer any questions in reference to this if he can make his way up here Alderman versi that's um, that's not correct. We are not charging those Organizations, it's only the the organizations that have requested us to be dedicated to that event that we cannot leave The standbys that we're doing at the football they understand if we get a call and we have to leave We'll replace that with another med unit, but we're not charging them Thank you chief any further questions for the chief before you hobble back away Alderman van akron, please continuing like the chief said it's for the dedicated service where that ambulance unit would not be able to leave that event Some of the events that were given for examples were some of the martial arts events boxing events where they by insurance reasons Need to have an ambulance at that event Again, I think it's appropriate then to charge that group for having an ambulance. That has to be there and can't leave The charges would cover an overtime Unit to then stay at that event for that duration. So I would be in favor of this Thank you. Alderman van akron alderman carlson Thank you, mayor. I was just going to ask the fire chief Verification very good. Thank you. Alderman carlson any further discussion There's no further discussion roll call, please van akron, aye versi no felt aye boran aye carlson aye decker aye camp homin aye hammond aye heidemann aye hoth aye kittleson aye manachuk aye raceler aye and samson aye 13 ayes 1 no motion carries 12 38 through 41 have already been taken Ornance's introduced 10 12 42 to be referred matters laid over 11 11 20 RO number 166 11 12 by the city clerk. I think that do we already take that one? That's already done Should remember that Matters laid over 11 74 resolution number 74 11 12 by alderpersons rindfleisch boron Madacheck and van akron authorizing a transfer of appropriations in the 2011 budget Establish estimated revenue and appropriation for 2011 community development block grant entitlement program also known as cdbg Alderman boran Thank you, mayor Actually, that should be Document number 11 34. That's correct. Okay. I've made 11 34. That's a typo if you can note that. Thank you Alderman boran, please continue Make a motion to put the resolution upon its passage second Motion in a second to put the resolution upon its passage under discussion alderman carlson Thank you, mayor I would like to a motion for division of the question in regards to the funding for partners for community development as I intend to abstain Okay I don't think there'll be a problem with this thing passing. Can you just abstain on the whole thing rather than If it's close, we'll take it again Okay, thank you alderman carlson Um any further discussion There is no discussion roll call, please versi aye belt aye boran aye carlson abstain decker aye homin aye hammond abstain heidemann aye kath aye kittleson aye manachuk aye racer aye samson aye and van akron aye 12 ayes to abstentions Motion carries 1156 general ordinance number 231112 by alderpersons Vandewheel kath and renfleisch amending various sections of section 94131 of the municipal code So as to make changes to reporting documentation and other requirements of pawn shops in the city of shabuagan alderperson kath Thank you, mayor rine. I move that the ordinance be put upon its path Second We have a motion and a second to put the ordinance upon its passage under discussion Alderman borne Thank you, mayor Just for a little history Back when I was chairman of law and licensing a few years ago We had a pawn shop in shabuagan that was causing a lot of problems So we we did an ordinance, but I'm glad to see that law and licensing has addressed this again and updated the ordinance And I particularly like the part in here where we where they would have to do daily reports to the police department That should have should help the Police department with with theft crimes And people trying to fence this stuff in shabuagan So I think this is a great enhancement to the original ordinance that we did a couple years ago. Thank you Thank you. Alderman borne any further discussion There is no further discussion roll call, please belt. Hi borne. Hi Carlson. Hi decker. Hi homin Hammond. Hi. Hi deman. Hi cotton. Hi kittleson. Hi madachuk. Hi Racelor. Hi samson. Hi van akron. Hi and versi. Hi 14 Motion carries other matters authorized by law 12th. They're 43 an arrow by the director of parking in transit Submitting a property damage release due to a bus being totaled in an accident transit Alderman vice president decker. Thank you, mr. Mayor. I didn't know who was fortunate enough to be on transit That'd be me Sorry, I moved at the report of us officer being accepted in place on file We have a motion and a second to accept in place on file under discussion Steve please If I could ron mcdonnell apparently heard us back over the weekend and couldn't be here tonight, but he asked me to Present this to the council the transit commission is requesting that you Authorize by a motion tonight the mayor to sign the attached property damage release form For this bus The background is this bus Was on the Total as I understand it Some time ago we had transit the mutual insurance provided insurance property damage insurance To the extent of $50,000 and that was paid to the city The buses apparently are titled in the name of the city shakwaigan So the city got its full Stated value of $50,000 from its insurance carrier The insurance carrier has the right to subrogate And collect damages from the responsible party. So this $20,000 release is Transit mutual insurance getting reimbursed for the $20,000 by the insured of waste management So the transit director is requesting that The council authorize the mayor to sign the property damage release Thank you, steve Under discussion alderman hamlet Thank you, mr. Mayor. I'd make a more or a motion to amend the the report of officer to allow the mayor to sign the property damage release second Have a motion and a second to amend and accept and file Any further discussion all in favor of accepting and filing as amended say aye Aye opposed motion carries Moving on 1244 an rc by the committee of the whole making a favorable recommendation to the council on the 2012 benefits proposal Committee of the whole alderman boron Thank you, mayor. I make a motion that the report of committee be accepted and adopted Second we have a motion and a second to accept and adopt under discussion alderman raceler Thank you, mr. Mayor. I'd like to forward this back to salaries and grievance for a reevaluation We had a lot of conversation and i'm hoping that some people had an opportunity to reevaluate some of the cost savings that are actually in here that we're missing out on especially by the insurance portion of it and I'm not paying out the sick leave and thus requiring the employees to stay on our insurance as retirees which again as I think we beat to death last time there's a ton of cost savings here And I'd like to see you go back there on on monday night and everybody's welcome to come to salaries and grievance and have the discussion with me along with the City administrative position as well as I think we'll have a packed house. So thank you second Who's second We have a motion and a second to send this to salary and grievances Under discussion on Sending this back to salary and grievances There is no discussion all in favor of this going back to salary and grievances say I Opposed no no roll call, please In I vote we'll send it back a no vote. We'll keep it here for further discussion this evening Okay, boron No Carlson no Decker I Hammond I Hammond I Heidemann no Koth no Kittleson I Maddochak I Racler I Samson, I'm sorry. Can you verify what we're what is this for? This would be to refer back to salary and grievance. I vote No Ben Akron I Versi I And belt I Nine eyes five nose see I'm to salary and grievances it goes Okay, moving on to 1245 an arrow by the city clerk granting various Licenses licenses vice president decker Thank you, mr. Mayor. I move that the report of officer be accepted in place on file Second we have a motion in a second to accept in place on file Under discussion There is no discussion all in favor say I Opposed motion carries 1246 an ordinance by alderman boran amending general ordinance number 1611 12 relating to wards in aldermanic districts in order to update the wards and districts as the state changed the redistricting lines Alderman boran Thank you, mayor. I believe we need suspension on this one and the reason for that is Madam city clerk has to get this back to the county clerk I guess already tomorrow Put the finishing touches on this Madam do you have to do that? I yeah the county board meets on a final thing for this tomorrow night. Okay Hey, so is anybody opposed to the rules being suspended? The rules are suspended otherwise, uh, then I would make a motion to put the general ordinance upon its passage We have a motion in a second to put the ordinance upon its passage under discussion Under discussion vice president Decor did you here is this old? Alderman van Akron. Thank you, mr. Mayor I guess I would just like to hear from the city clerk's office In reference to the changes that are being made and why we are again looking at the changes that are being made A lot of which affect my district and alderman homin's district. I guess just Why these changes keep coming up? I can do that briefly We had the lines drawn the redistricting between us and the county And then the state came in and made a decision to change the lines So the first map that you received was the original redistricting map that we had that set out We had 23 wards at that time When the state came through and changed the lines which will affect Alderman van Akron and alderman homin We actually were forced to divide three wards into six And some of them are 200 people some of them are 400 people. So it really created quite Quite a bit of problems for us We had to do it. We have to get it to the county by tomorrow night Basically now we will have 26 wards Most of the problem occurs in wards four through nine which are the small Kind of a northern central area if you see on the map that's up here Basically we we'd hope to stay with 16 polling places. I'm going to have to go to 17 However, the cost factor will not be as high as I thought because we have been able to acquire two machines We have an extra one and the county has one. So we will be able to use those For that 17th ward. However, we still will have manpower, etc for that As soon as it passes tomorrow night, we'll get a more refined map. We'll get it on the internet We'll get it to you so that you have your district lines And right now we're just Kind of right at the last stages here Thank you, sue and to offset that labor issue alderman can volunteer for polls outside of their own districts, correct? I thought it was required In fact, I'm sure it is that would solve that increase in labor problem there steve Yes, I have a question the city clerk The document on my desk. Anyway says the actual ordinance would be on the desk Monday evening legal descriptions are still in process Are they going to be completed by tomorrow? You should have one there was Yeah, you should have it was under It's 12-48 They have been distributed Yes, they've got 26. We worked very hard Friday afternoon and this Morning Okay, thank you sue. Thank you steve Any further discussion if there is no further discussion roll call, please Carlson Hi Decker common Hi Hammond Hi Heidemann Hi Katz Hi Kittleson Hi Manichuk Hi Racler Hi Samson Hi Excuse me. Hi I know Van Ackrens wants to say no, but I know he's gonna say hi Versey Hi Belt Hi And boron Hi 14 eyes Motion carries. We are going to be going into closed session There's one more document Oh Surprise document There's a lawn licensing document I didn't Oh, okay. Here we go Oh other other matters. Excuse me attorney mclean There's two of them actually We didn't want already 1247 is an hour away the city clerks have any various license applications for the period ending june 30 2012 and june 30 2013 That is referred to law and licensing 1248 is an ordinance amending general ordinance number 16 dash 11 12 Passed by council on july 18th in order to update the number of wards And illegal descriptions Just acted on apparently We're okay This is done already Yep, that's right. All right Okay, we are going to be moving into closed session at which time Otterman vorn I would like to uh Mention something to the council if it's appropriate because I noticed after we're out of closed session We're not going into open session. So I would no we're not. So could I announce something to the council? Meeting notice Sure I just want to make the uh council aware that I'm going to be calling a committee of the whole meeting this coming wednesday night Probably at six o'clock, but I have to make sure there's no conflicts with other With other committees, but I think it's going to be six o'clock and the reason uh the the uh committee of the whole meeting will be in closed session And uh the purpose of the closed session will be to confer with legal counsel Uh attorney joseph wolfner. He wanted to call me today instead of his hiring pass tonight He wanted to have a meeting with the committee of the whole as soon as possible So that will be wednesday night at six o'clock in closed session There might be one other agenda item on there Marge matter and constituent referred something to the committee of the whole so i'll give marge A chance to speak on that wednesday night because it is timely what we're going to be talking about it's salary and grievance on Monday, but I don't anticipate anticipated being a long meeting. Thank you Thank you alderman bohran alderman hamant. Thank you. Um, just as a fyi to alderman bohran There is a rda meeting that may be a fairly lengthy one starts at five on the 21st So I'll make it 6 30 and or after that meeting. Thank you. Thanks Okay, so it's 6 30 or following the redevelopment authority meeting Thank you. Alderman bohran. We are going to go into closed session at which point all media Etc etc citizens must depart the room Jeremy needs to do a motion Can we have a motion for closed session? Thank you, mr Mayor I moved the convene in the closed session under the exemptions provided in section 19.85 Wisconsin statute for the purpose of discussion Deliberation or formulation of negotiation strategies relative to Possible collective bargaining agreements Excuse me. We're competitive and bargaining reasons require a closed session Second. We have a motion in a second. Um, after we do go into closed session We are going to take about a 10 minute recess allow everybody to get out of here All in favor of going into closed session state. Aye. Aye opposed We are in closed session. We will Reconvene here at in 10 minutes or 14 minutes till on this clock