 Welcome back ladies and gentlemen to Toffee TV USA. My name is James Boyman joined by my co-host Ryan Williams. Ryan How we doing today? Not too bad James international break now ever ten, but there have been some strange news stories I have to admit so I'm excited to get into it tonight. Yeah, we've got a few things to break down for you folks out there tonight all Over the world. We're gonna start with talking about moist keen There was some revelations about the nature of his loan to Perry Saint-Germain And then we're gonna get into the continuing for some reason debate around Jordan Pickford in the media Which we will rightly pan and And we'll talk about what some people some former Everton managers and Their gremlins and associates have been saying about him And then lastly we're gonna talk a little bit about the news coming out regarding Everton's release of a survey concerning seating at Bramley Moore dock Obviously, everyone knows the stadium on the way, but Ryan, let's kick things off So we start with a report from Jonathan Johnson not so much a report but a quote rather from PSG executives confirming that there is quote no option to buy in the moist keen long moist keen loan deal Unfortunately, it'd be very expensive. He's an excellent powerful player that we have been keeping an eye on But there have been some reports from French football Alleging that there was like an 18 million dollar option to buy and then the loan deal, of course And it turns out that that is entirely not true. I believe also for Britio Romano had confirmed at the time that there was no No option to buy and this further confirms that but the question becomes Obviously, everyone knows that keen has been doing quite well at PSG and his And has been getting quite a bit of playing time as a matter of fact So so what's the what's the future for moist keen hold this heat? Do you think he has a future at Everton? I Don't Unfortunately It is the whole thing is very curious really I mean how many times did people have to come out and say there was no option to buy it just went on and on and on I mean do people seriously? I think there was kind of a strange perception of moist keen from the fan base I maybe I think a chunk of it didn't quite understand truly what a superstar this kid is Still is I mean he's only 20 years old for heaven's sakes But and so there's there's never gonna be an 18 million pound option to buy we bought him for 25 million Bought him on the cheap frankly because he was in the last year of his deal and event has tried to sell other people and really couldn't so Anyway, the reason why I don't really see that there'd be a great way back for him Even though I think we could really use them right now to be perfectly honest having another threat to run in behind people Would give us a different dynamic I think it just comes to something very simple. So if you include the Italian national team, he's had Success pretty much everywhere. He's been I mean he went on loan at Verona and did well He did very well in his short stint at Juventus before he came over to Everton He's been very successful now at PSV and he's been continually called up to the Italian team Continually playing even at age 20. So there's one club situation where his perceived Performance was not particularly good, although I think if you break down the numbers I think he was a little better than people realize he was certainly a little unlucky in his finishing But I mean for heaven's sakes. I mean you barely paid. Do you even pay play a thousand minutes in the Premier League with us? Really? No So if I'm him, I hate to say this, you know, it's hard for us to be blinded by our love for for the toffees but ultimately Why would you return to a place where you clearly wanted out of at least temporarily? Even when Carlo Ancelotti legendary Italian manager had a plan for you Why would you want to go back to the one place where you really weren't succeeding and weren't very comfortable and wanted to leave? I just I see no way back perhaps perhaps Carlo could convince him In lieu of a great option to buy from someone else this summer to come back and play But I just I mean can you see a scenario where? That happens I just can't imagine moist himself would think geez I want to go back there And I feel like our fan base is still riding on him many and some small pockets of them are still Kind of over him almost Dismissing his ability to score in the Champions League for heaven's sakes. What are we talking about here? Yeah, I mean you see people that are discounting the quality of opposition that he scored against but as you said initially Ryan people And maybe this changed over the course of his career because when he came in when we bought him It was viewed as a around your European football as a massive coup Absolutely We had signed this player an unbelievable prospect one of Juventus's best prospects in years Yeah, that's how we get him on a permanent deal, and I remember Shocking, I mean Barca was after him Dortmund Iax and I bet you sometimes he probably sits backs and thinks wow fight I if I was at Iax I'd be well, I'd be beating teams 13 But yeah, you'd probably be scoring more certainly a Dortmund I mean look at the success at Giovanni Raina American has had Howlin's obviously playing all the time there Bellingham came in the other day looked fantastic right in midfield for them I mean the opportunities are there and he had to be asking geez this team's not doing very well yet Here I am not on the pitch Marco Silva clearly had no plan for him I just what why would he come back really right? It just doesn't make sense and again when he came in we thought that okay Maybe this is a player that can challenge dominant Calvert Lewin Yeah, regularly for a starting position and that seemed to be the hope that eventually he would displace Remember at this time at the start of last season there were still many many question marks about what Calvert Lewin's future with whatever 10 would be in To his credit he proved a lot of those people wrong and secured a starting place And it became pretty clear around midseason that there was very going to be very few opportunities for Moyes Keen to regularly start And so I think people on that basis Maybe wrote him off like Calvert Lewin again still had those conceptions of him is maybe not a consistent player But he was playing well weekend week out It made it really hard for it to justify dropping him and as a result you have this really young talented player who can't quite get Into the team so now you look at him again He goes on loan and like you said Ryan for the rest as he has for the rest of his very very young career He's tearing it up. He's doing really well He's showcasing a lot of the ability that we knew that he had and to his again in fairness to him He showed in brief spurts in the limited playing time He was able to get but he was never really able to turn that into a consistent run in the team and People people did start to write him off, especially after limited substitute appearances in Preseason and early on and so eventually when he made the move out people were you know Okay, well, maybe he'll get some game time and come back the better player But why why would he come back to us and let the only scenario that I could see Realistically would be if we were to secure champions league Then maybe Carlo could make a compelling case as to why he would come back, but I still don't think he necessarily gets Gets into the team over Calvert-Lewan on a regular basis But what I will say is We could really use a player like him right now in the team You look at the substitutions We had to make at the weekend bringing a guy like Cenk Tosen on as a desperation move late in the match When you could have brought on a young dynamic player like moisture different running people It's it's a totally different dynamic and it really allows you to To play in a totally different way Whereas now with with someone like Cenk as our second option striker were really quite limited in the tactical Flexibility that we can have throughout the course of the game. What he offers is Just really in my opinion not good enough and boys keen though I agree that he never really played exceptionally. There were those brief moments when he would take a player on role his shoulder Demonstrate like the clear power on the ball that he has and the determination to get off a shot sometimes maybe Not not the best decision But a player who's like focused on on scoring goals and creating things for himself Which we know is something that Calvert-Lewan really struggles with yeah He's 20 years old and many other players have struggled not even into a new league new league City three different managers and there are a lot of reasons why maybe he didn't settle in but ultimately Yeah, I think it's gonna be a tough argument to keep him But that being said master stroke by Marcel Brands really I mean he's going to a massive team a card He was really the only true center forward. They have He's aging and the second he got hurt bank he's in there And it'll be very interesting to see what happens when he comes back But either way a great move by Marcel Brands worst-case scenario for us We sell him on a profit and make some serious money and try and maybe go after someone different You know, who knows we'll certainly probably need some sales this summer if we want to keep doing business And I know Carlo will want to continue to transform and turn over the team So and if he doesn't want to be here man, you heard what Carlo said you're not gonna be here And it really is unfortunate because we have had these types of young talents at Everton lately And you look at a Calvert-Lewan who's maybe the exception to the rule the player that has really excelled and come through But he was a player that was given ample opportunities And it was a long time before Everton fans kind of came around to the idea that he might be the real deal You look at players like Adamola Lukman and Nicolav Lasich who've come through and never really were given a fair shake And so the assumption just is well, they have to be terrible in training They might not have the right attitude problems and in some cases that may have been warranted But I do think there's something to be said for players coming from I mean I think that the cultural differences and the change in environment is a huge adjustment for a player And especially when you're not in the team regularly no disrespect to Liverpool unbelievable city Northwest of England I love it personally, but if you're coming from Turin, you're speaking a completely different language. It's hard It's really hard. It's really hard And then you have the added frustration of the scrutiny not getting playing time Which is the one thing that you want so and you didn't start in just banging them in Hey, you know that just that's it's how it is anyway. Yeah, it's a shame It'll be interesting we do in January too because I think that'd be the big signal if we You know go get a striker right no lick or someone that we know is going to be there for a while Anyway transitioning to another topic as you mentioned on the get-go here Jordan Pickford. So it seems like the saga never ends and for fear of Perpetuating more discussions over him. I personally found it ridiculous. What happened today Garrett Southgate came out You know, I think it was about a week ago indicating that look There's no serious challenge to Jordan Pickford at this point And I agree at this point. I don't think there's necessarily I know he's not playing very well in the league But there's no one really jumping out. I mean the other people on the roster I mean Nick Pope was one Dean Henderson I think these guys have some talent, but none of them is a sure bet to definitely outperform him at the international level For some reason though that did not stop Sky Sports from coming out and and putting forth a column as well as a video Which I found for just completely peculiar you've got The England goalkeeping coach coming out and basically him along with Rob Green critiquing Jordan Pickford's play and I think what's very fascinating about this is Martin Margitson, he was critical. He was very complimentary of Pope and Henderson, especially Pope But I just the history here is shocking to me. First of all, Martin is an undersized goalie too He's like six feet tall He's been with the England setup in support of Sam Allard ice who he was hired by who he has a long-standing relationship with. Yes We don't speak of him. Yes. It's it is a note on the American toffee podcast We are not allowed to other his name. That was a rule we created. So toffee TV is different apparently. Yeah, so So he's been coaching Pickford since 2016 throughout the world cup to Was critical about his knee bending position how he's great on low balls his hand position is off basis Then he came and when Sam was hired at Everton Terrible moment that was brought him over to be his goalie coach. So how on earth first of all in what sense does this In what world does this make sense that he is on tv critiquing the starting English goalkeeper Criticizing him, especially after everything that he's been through this week Um, I just I do not understand what possible good Thing could come out of this. Please James. Can you make any sense of this? This I find this nuts the the continuing focus and Just spotlight that's being put on Jordan Pickford. I mean it to be fair. I mean it's Fairly typical of the English media to do something like this to this seems pretty National to me players. I mean I really really on like critiquing him and I mean very critical. I thought I will say at least at the very least and this is a very low bar, but they have Largely moved on from the incident against in the Darby. So they're criticizing his play In a really specific and kind of unusual way and I guess you could say Oh, well, you know, that's useful analysis in some way, but The relentless spotlight that's being put on him is is so unfair when he's had this Vitriolic response and he's had a higher personal security to protect his family And again, at least they're critiquing his play But for again for the for the goalkeeper coach to come out and basically Under mine, I wouldn't say contradict but undermine the narrative from the manager Is so bizarre to me and makes no sense. Like I mean, I'm sure there's I don't know if they're in communication, but I don't think he probably texted south guy and said hey, I'm about to go rip I You know critique him on on sky. I mean, we we hate sky everyone hates sky But they are they are what they are there one of the few options It just again, it just really makes no sense and you've got to lay off the guy and let him play the game It's just classic extension of sam allard ice. It's perfect personality. I mean, we had this remember this quote last year while sam was Doing be in sports and pickford made a gaffe and whatnot and here's his line too I really want to share this because just shows you what a class act he is I would be speaking to my goalkeeper coach martin margotson allard. I said, but if margotson was there I will tell you 100 that jordan pickford would not be making those mistakes Seriously, the guy had the audacity after getting fired to bring that up ironically Jordan pickford at least statistically performed better With his first year under marco sova, then he did the prior year with sam allard ice But what I don't understand is this guy's been his coach several different times and you're critiquing the way he plays What's your responsibility? But yeah, I think what really leaves a bad taste in my mouth is just kind of walking back through some of this stuff The guy hired personal security. He's been going through craziness yet other other media people continue to ask questions I mean literally just yesterday We had mephista pie being asked about virginal van dyke I mean, are you kidding me? I mean and expressing how frustrating he was and how, you know When all of them the other day was talking about how he's going through the worst thing ever and he's dying inside You had former liverpool goalkeeper chris kirkland coming out of nowhere To just declare what a disgrace everton is for not a poll It just this is unbelievable and sure enough sure enough, which I thought was a ludicrous take We saw the match last weekend and look. I actually thought maybe it was a penalty when pickford Kicked maguire and what did talk sport do? What did they do? I mean bang immediately right out there First van dyke now maguire pickford's done it again. I mean what the heck is that? That's how did he get away with this? This is what talk sport does and what did maguire say in the post match Harry maguire to his credit pretty classy. I thought his quote I just explained this in there. I personally don't think it was a penalty said harry and his post match interview I think maybe I put a hand into his chest when he went to catch the ball and I did feel contact on my knee I felt like I probably pushed jordan before and I know everybody's probably trying to jump on him Dropping the ball, but I did feel like I pushed him in a penalty would have been a little bit soft Thank you harry maguire for actually just showing some rationality and objectivism in reporting But it's not going to stop unfortunately, but this one to I just I've never seen anything like that I mean you get on tv and you critique Detailed comparing him to the other keepers making him seem like he wasn't and then pope's going to come out and start tomorrow I just How does this help him? And then you've got paul joys as well Not with that. What is up with that? Who again had been had been the gold standard for everton reporting for a long time and has done himself No favors as of late That he's just again he says he sensationalizes the comments because they they're critiques at most and He says england's goalkeeping coaches publicly criticized jordan pickford's technique after a difficult start to the season for the country's number one again, this spotlight comes with the territory of being england's number one, but Again, like it just it's ridiculous joys is all over it. He was all over it and fired it out there just It's it's a headline to to drive clicks and it does just that but Again credit to your point credit to harry maguire for coming out and trying to put a little of this to rest because The maguire one as you said ryan when I first saw it I thought maybe a penalty, but then you see the push and it's like, okay Well, I mean he's trying to make a play on the ball and Again, they're they're national team teammates. So it makes sense that he would maybe Come to his defense a little bit because he's probably seen what pickford is going through to some extent Yeah, it's called leadership. Yes, unfortunately not shown By the goalkeeping coach, but again, that's right in line again with the sam ellard ice chain of command apparently Typical stuff there typical stuff, but pretty disappointing. I think just leave let's leave pickford alone If anyone's going to criticize him, let it be everton fans Let it be us when he makes a mistake that costs us a goal, which fortunately Has no opportunity to do over the international break. Yes, but It's fine when we criticize him because we are not a certain other group of fans that will send him death threats to our own players We will be Respectfully critical of the performance and that'll be that Yeah, it's not okay, but either way Moving on to to our last major topic of conversation and this one's interesting because it's got a bit of an american twist And we thought it would be an interesting one to share on toffee tv Um, I know most of the fans are familiar with the new survey that's been sent out about the brand anymore dock kind of match day experience Um, it's funny. They actually labeled some of the match day ideas as american Let me read you the axle epser excerpt. I'm stealing from paul the esk friend of the program And good for paul because paul's normally right on top of kind of most of the financial dealings And we've had him on the podcast before I paul's Definitely a friend And I appreciate his takes on things that this one's very interesting and and I quote You will be able to learn more about some of the new concepts. We'd like to test such as seasonal premium seat memberships As you will see premium seating areas will provide some of the best viewing positions blah blah blah blah And then we get down to something called you also see that we are considering loge seating Fairly new very relaxed concept and hospitality which offers a private area within the stadium close to the pitch And with comfortable cinema style seating with personal tv monitors This concept has been popular in the u.s. And would be a first in the premier league so So I think it's very interesting for us to take a step back and try and make a comparison between our experiences at Goodison and I think what we want brand new more to be And whether there's really kind of a relevant comparison In the united states, it seems like a lot of these concepts james are kind of modeled after the nfl But I don't think the nfl Fan experience is really something that you would want to replicate too much in brand new more. Do you agree? No, I totally agree and and it is interesting if you look at the history of land for example Arsenal relieving highbury moving to the emirates Any of the clubs that have since renovated substantially their stadiums They did take a page out of american sports book specifically the nfl Because some of the owners attended nfl games and they they sawed the pageantry in the fanfare And for better or for worse I mean they saw the concessions and the way that it was very very much commercial commercialized at that point They saw the money they saw the money exactly and they wanted to follow the money And so you have a lot of these concepts being adopted at the premier league level And some of them I think will work. I think other clubs have used them to great commercial success Which is something that average and of course will be one of the the big parts of moving to the new stadium Will be to harness some of those commercial avenues leverage them for their for the betterment of the club as a whole Um, and you look at again, I think having been to get us in we've both been it's unbelievable stadium unbelievable atmosphere But it does have its flaws and the lack of premium seating I think is one where it prevents the club from capitalizing on revenue The obstructed views are another one which Being from new england having been to fenway park many a time I can empathize With that it's a very familiar feeling when you have to lean Back and forth to see the action But the the idea of premium seating I'm curious what the everton fan base as a whole the local fan base thinks of it because I imagine there may be some resistance But I think it's important Whether something like load seating where you're sitting basically as they say in a cinema style chair a big comfy arm chair And you've got a monitor to get close to the pitch I don't know about that but and I don't even know if nfl is the best Analogy or whatever 10 should be shooting for I think perhaps like college sports in america Create the kind of atmosphere that that everton fans would want for those who don't know I mean professional sport in america is Commercialized to the point of being like detrimental to the atmosphere You don't get diehard fans going Every single game because most people have been priced out of that sort of Level of attendance so you get people who are coming in maybe a little bit more casual Um the atmospheres. There's oh, I'm there are a few stragglers. I mean, yeah I don't want to generalize like that. No, but but the average game you would go to. Yeah, I agree continue. I'm sorry No, it's okay. No, you're right And I shouldn't there are I think pockets of of franchises and fan bases that do still deliver an incredible game day atmosphere But then you look at things places like the nba Where you have premium premium price court side seating in theory that should be Like where you're getting the most atmosphere, but what it ends up being is a Place to essentially Flaunt your wealth where you can show up court side. You know that there's going to be photographers there You'll be on tv. Yep, and it again. These these aren't people that are Going to to root and scream at the top of their lungs for the team and a lot of the atmosphere that the methods of cultivating atmosphere that have arisen in the absence of organic fan passion Are kind of cringe worthy if you ask me where you've got the jumbotron and you've got Stand up make some noise and you've got like the noise a meter that rises People and even in the nba you have instances where they're playing music during while the action is going on because there's so little Fan noise being made in the stadium But you look at something like the ncba and football people know i'm sure worldwide you've got a hundred thousand seat college football stadiums Incredible atmosphere people going crazy, but then you have the ncba basketball, which is really interesting because those The most notorious college basketball stadiums have Crazy atmosphere because for one the stadiums closed the arena is closed So you get that echo that noise reverberating and then you've got these student sections of kids Coming in they're right on the court. I'm thinking like the Cameron crazies at duke There's plenty of other ones, but that's the tar heels like that rivalry. They're right on top of the the players They are coordinated in their efforts to to chant and scream and disrupt the other team In props. I mean they're hysterical. It's amazing. Yeah, it's great I think the key then is to let let's let's take the good parts of the american sports experience And make sure that they they match kind of the club's value. So I think some of these things The college sports Feel is is probably the right one you want to go through the NFL is not not really it I mean, yes, I'm grew up in pittsburgh So I could steal their experiences. All right the packers are a little bit All right, too But no one really cares how close you're sitting to the pitch But that is so critical to bramley more if we're going to bring kind of any aspect of goodison So I think the loge idea of down low on the field and I've seen it in some mls stadiums too And it just doesn't I don't think it works and I don't think it's something of interest that being said I think so we normally call these places the club level basically where you've got some regular seats And then you have inside the concourse, you know, big bars and and food and things you can do and tv's and Stuff like that. There's not real time to do that during the match at at halftime. Of course, there is And you can kind of tuck those seats in a way. They don't really you don't really see the entrance into the club very much It's not very prominent So I don't think that necessarily takes away from the atmosphere and some people want to experience that and Not make a bunch of noise fine. Whatever Um, I think even look we're going to have sweets It's going to happen in the suite in the us has been there for years. It's really You know nicer chairs kind of sitting outside But inside you literally have a compartment there and you'll have catered food and that type of thing and Beer and that's the other thing too. I mean, you're allowed to booze during these you're not allowed to booze during college games But I can assure you Yeah, right I mean, they're fantastic ways to do that from Binocular cases that aren't really binoculars. You just unscrew them and pour you booze into your cup Yes, that actually has that's American innovation for you right there folks Yeah, figure out ways to booze during the game when you're not allowed Um, yeah, it's very different. Uh, so I think some of this stuff can happen Maybe tuck it under the second deck make it so that it's not as prominent Pardon me and and look some premium seating. I could see behind the benches You know if some wealthy people want to sit there in their big lounge chairs sitting back And order food normally they'll bring food out to you have your little tv there during the match That's fine as long as that's kept to a minimum But man the both ends man, they need to up and down. They need to have the people on board It needs to be allowed. It needs to be rowdy and it's still a family atmosphere The college sports the only detriment of college sports is especially the football games They're a bit of a debacle. I mean, they're not as frequent as matches too. So And most of them they may say they're family affairs, but what that really means is yeah And in the south it's even more ridiculous where people will dress up their wealth They're where they wear ties to the games And uh, they'll get up early as possible tailgate outside Doesn't matter what the weather is for hours and hours cooking grilling out drinking the entire time Get in the stadium. These are four hour affairs where everyone's going absolutely bonkers and screaming bloody murder Um, but yeah, the fan experience is different the game is different. You know what I mean? It's it's played in smaller areas what I mean is, you know, you can only really go one way and in football, you know European football it's all over the place and there's so much more to watch and see in its constant So um, the rhythm of the game is different So I think some of these things that we can impart over that will increase revenue and be beneficial But I really think that hopefully this response hopefully we've educated a little bit in terms of how things are in the states Um, but hopefully the response echoes that some of this stuff fine. You got to be reasonable We do want to increase revenues. That's part of the reason to go to the stadium to afford better players Um, but ultimately some of this stuff if it's too gimmicky, it's just not going to fly I think with the average evertonian and and I wouldn't want it to really right And which is fine because I think testament to everton as they do the engagement with the fans over the throughout this entire process of The planning application and all of these sorts of things the club have been pretty spot-on in their engagement with the groups soliciting feedback Actioning that feedback in a tangible way where the fans can actually see like hey, they listened Um, and hopefully that continues. It's good that they're throwing out all the possibilities I think everything should be considered. Yep, but then you you do take into consideration the differences and Again the non-stop action the fact that Fans are there to watch the match Of course universally and I don't think you can universally say that about american sports No, because there's a lot of people that go for the experience to drink to eat to do all these sort of Secondary things besides actually watch the game Yeah, the funniest part about it james you think about it like baseball is the most casual sport we have in america But the aesthetics around the stadium and how they look and kind of the traditional feel Is probably the most appropriate from a design standpoint. Isn't that curious? Yeah, it is a bit unusual I mean, I do hey. I love going to watch live baseball. It is a very casual. There's a lot of stoppages, but With soccer football, you're on the edge of your seat You're singularly focused on watching the ball watching whatever's going on on the pitch And I think that the stadium experience needs to Keep that in mind Although when you do have something like Um premium seating, uh when you've got uh a room essentially as you talked about with the catered Um what that predominantly is for is like businesses will buy a box and then use that to as bring clients in It's an experience. It's a way to kind of I don't know schmooze It is it is it's a part it's a cost of doing business But we also have to remember that if we really want this thing to be the marquee venue for concerts and other things Some of that stuff is going to have to be in there Now I will say this dan me's deserves a lot of credit I think because his idea and I know some people didn't like the capacity But I really think his idea was to create it to be more of a destination type place that that atmosphere itself is the selling job Of european football truly it is unique In the states we have some of it in mls. There's some really great crowds and stuff and that's that's what makes it unique The sport is brilliant, of course. We both love it, but I think a packed all the time stadium Creates an environment and atmosphere that's really unique and people will want to be drawn to that and experience it So we have to expect that but if it's not done in a cheap commercial garbage way It will be fine. I look at like fenway people want to go to fenway. Does it detract from the atmosphere? No, everyone's still packed in you're forced in that venue to pay attention to the outrageous accents and have your log Apotheca You know watch red sox, but hey man, that's cool. That's part of the beauty of it I think that's really what we need to go for a venue that Commands your attention that sucks you into the game that makes it unique You know with all the passion and fervor that that we have in goodison and just all the drama There'll be concourses for the average fan that will walk out and more space to drink beer You won't have to fight through 20 People just to get to the one bathroom in the glottie street end, which I I know I've done man. That's a battle That takes forever that won't be there some of the modern amenities But man when it comes to the pitch and inside the stadium some of this stuff's a no-go And I think the fans will do it, but hey Anyone has any questions about the experience? We're more the share to some of our stuff I mean, I've been a pretty much every major sporting event in this entire country I've been fortunate to say that And um, you know any more information we can give people we're happy to do it Absolutely ryan and with that it's going to do it for our second foray on toffee tv If you enjoyed the video be sure to subscribe to them below Subscribe to our youtube channel. So follow us on facebook twitter and instagram at usa toffee pod There's going to be a link in the description for it'll take you to all of our socials and all of our channels Do check out our podcast if you enjoyed it. We'll be with you guys next week for another round of toffee tv USA You