 There are many thanks for keeping us company and if you are just tuning this is why to fight for discussion mandi now and we are talking about the global warming because we have seen a series of natural calamities in our countries that is flooding as well as drought and famine and floods as well. So I am joined by Shila Mukami, she is president of Kenyer medical training in tachicole Jen invis градian school, alright. na kuwa tuzaunodm oma. Ina kwa sa bach postiwa kanya wa hwa ulo chatua wa na nabugun maha kutuwehwa wajima. Ruini wa hwa nabugun oma. Paka kaputuwehwa waja. P пойipanu hoforda, hiwa baputuwehwa wajima wajima. Wajima kumia enu. Waj�, uwalnana. Kutuwehwa wajima wajima kwa kutuwehwa tukita hw まawe maha uwalia We see that these people are not having enough food, we'll see these people are having a lot of famine. So when we come back to these places where there are a lot of trees, like the western part of Kenya, limuru, transware, that is, when we see that these are places where we grow food. And now when we compare these two parts, we see there are a lot of trees in the western side of Kenya and there are no trees in the northeastern side of Kenya. So that's why we'll take agriculture to that place because there'll be a lot of rains. Yeah, as compared to Turkana and Ukambana. Alright, for the last, like, say, seven years, there has been proposals for projects to have dams constructed in such areas like Baringo and the rest. Actually, Baringo has been had hit with farming this year because the rains have been delayed in a way and it could be attributed to global warming. But in the same vein, we have seen governments' efforts to ensure that its habitats are safe from dying from farming and maybe they're flooding because we don't know what will happen this year. Last year, we lost so many people through flooding. And now such projects that have been proposed, for example, the dams and then we had the northern collector tunnel that was to harness the waters. Now, as a Kenyan, what do you feel should have been done more and is it timely because we are continuing losing people because of such events? As a Kenyan and a youth in that matter, what I can see is the government should come down to back to us and involve us in decision making whereby they can build the dams, yes, they will help us. But now what about the long time factors that can help us? And when I look at the long time factors that can help us, I look at us being educated on, okay, you're doing one, two, three and this is going to cause drought in this place. This is going to cause famine. This is going to cause you not to plant even agricultural crops in the near future. So if you came back to us at the ground and told us that you, Sheila, as a human being in your own compound, you should estimate like you're supposed to plant this number of trees according to the number of acreage that you have. So that every Kenyan can have that target to plant a tree because when you plant trees, we are looking at the long term factor that will help us and benefit all of us and even the people that are coming after us. We can look at dams but dams come, they are man made. These are things which will come down and fall and these are things like we can look at the dams that we have in Kenya, are all of them operating and they are serving the basic factor that they were created to do. They are not helping all the mana inches. But if we come back to this, we'll help a bigger population and it will serve for alone. I remember the late Wangari Madaishi was so adamant to ensure that we have conserved our environment and I have seen most of us Kenyans, if not all, we continue destroying our environment, speak of cutting trees. People have been encouraged of agroforestry. I don't know for the last five years, I don't know what has happened because I remember back in school we used to be encouraged to plant a tree every single public holiday. Is this thing continuing and we were looking at 10% of Kenya's land having trees? Are we near getting to that 10% like China? Okay, I look at Wangari Madaishi and I see her as an icon to emulator this time because when she was alive we could plant trees and she could ensure that the trees that were planted could grow. But now today we'll have the environmental day in Kenya we'll have the several environmental days and several institutions and people will be planting the trees. But now are we looking after the trees that we planted? We're just planting it for show off. We planted trees, it's an environmental day trees as opposed to be planted. But are we looking after those trees so that they can grow? People will catch down trees, we are telling them cut one plant three but are they following that today? So we're still a long way back in fact to achieving what is supposed to be done unless we start practicing what we are saying. There was a random between the people of Rifti Valley and Narok if I'm not wrong about the Maw Forest. This thing was politicized because they couldn't understand the relation between the forest and the rains. A group of people believed rains are a blessing from God and now it has continued to bring this havoc in the country like the farming because the rains are not here and if they come they come late and when they come they come with a massacre message that is people will die because of flooding we have seen soil degradation because of this. Now what more do you think should be done for the public education to ensure that even if the trees have been cut how else could you manage the environment that you live in? Okay, it's not about even the trees alone because there is a lot of issues like I can say thanks to Neema right now we do not have plastic bags because plastic bags also mean us to the environment sector but now we are looking at we've done away with the plastic bags what are we doing about the plastic bottles that we are using? Actually they are the most now blocking the sewage now Yeah, I can look at Coca-Cola and say that I'm going to give them like a thumbs up because just two days ago I've seen them they've started using Dasani and they're putting them in a glass bottle We can still go that way to help our environment it's not about the trees alone but we can also check on the things that we are using for our homes like the bottles that we are taking for water many companies that are coming up to produce to sell water, the bottled water they should now also change to the glass so that we can avoid the blockage in the sewage we can also open our drainage system so that we cannot have the waters that are going to be stagnant in most places That's true That's a very good move Now let's talk about the industries you just mentioned one company but now we have fumes emitted by industries as one of the contributing factors to global warming apart from greenhouse and everything else but then how do we ensure the byproducts from these companies will not come to destroy our environment because it has been saved time and again and we have seen rules we have seen laws being brought on board to ensure that such industries they will manage their waste but now that hasn't happened and if it has happened it hasn't gone anywhere what more do you think should be done? Okay about the industries that are producing things which are environment unfriendly I guess we can go back to these companies and talk to them and give them the information that we have as the environmentalists in Kenya today we can talk to them like I've used an example of Coca Cola they were using the plastic bottles for storage of water the water that they are selling but now they are changing into the glass now we can go back and say that they should start using environment friendly products that will help our community so that even after using these we can get like if they will still use the plastic bottles that you have seen today we can still get back these bottles and reuse them so that they are not thrown and we can get them all over the places we can even get the kanjo they are here in Kenya today but they are only looking at things that are benefiting them if we could get the kanjo's enforcing rules about our environment today like if I see someone throwing a plastic bottle somewhere they can even be arrested they can even be taken or charged so that they can know this is our environment and we are protecting it for us these industries that we are going to use we can tell them that if you are going to produce this stuff we need you to also give us a way in which they are going to be disposed of because if you are not going to produce them then you are like an environment hazard to us and you are going to cost our lives tomorrow so you need to carbon your actually speaking about losing our lives global warming has brought about the farming we can see in our country and it's not only in Kenya but it has been happening even to other nations but speaking of our country just this year we had farming in Chukana and we had people we had all manner of reports there are people who have died there are people who have not died so one of the big four agendas of this regime currently in office is about food security we wind up because time is not on our side now food security we don't have reins we don't have dams for irrigation we have nothing we only rely on the reins that will come and the reins will be late and at times when they come they will not be there to take a short time taking an example of the southern Kenya the reins will come and they will like go they will not be honest these people how do we encourage Kenyans to use what they have like if it's farming sustainable food growing and the methods that will ensure you're not only planting food for the stomach but also you're looking into the future how do we do this a few years ago there was agriculture being taught in primary schools was helping because there are 4k clubs that were being formed and these pupils at a tender age they were taught in what to plant even in their environment according to the places they are living now if we brought back a subject like agriculture or if it cannot be brought back we could even go back to the communities down there we can go back to now we can go to Okambani and teach these people these are the certain foods that can be grown in this area it's not that these places cannot completely raise any agricultural products they can plant there are places in Biringa where you can water the area and you can plant even maize so we've not taught them about any irrigation schemes that they can use you cannot teach them about any methods that they can use even to plant today these people don't have the knowledge it still comes back to civic education we need to go down and educate these people what they are supposed to do we cannot just leave them and expect them to do that so we need as a government we need to go down and break it down to them to go back even if it's house to house and educate them because this is something that today we are talking about fama and tomorrow we are talking about loss of massive lives so we can prevent that we need to teach them if you cannot plant your person who is reaging cattle you can still sell these and get the plants that you get another thing is lowering the prices of the foods that we have in Kenya today we've raised the prices for these foods that people at the local manaiichi cannot afford it so even the farmers the few farmers that are selling the maize at a very low price they cannot even get the profits why are we now raising it to that extent that how and how we can get the profit that they need actually it's very sad because I hear some of the farmers are holding their maize because they want the government to buy to buy at a good price now we are out of time if you could give us now your final recommendation in regards to this issue like global warming moving forward what should we do moving forward as a country we should go back to civic education that's public education if we can go back and educate these people on the impacts of what we are doing to our environment today and the impacts that they can bring in the next few years that are going to come these people can get the knowledge and they can be able at an individual at an individual point come down and cut the the problem that is actually speaking of education the curriculum is being changed I don't know what it will have in it because you spoke of the 4k club I remember I was part of it back in school many thanks for coming and sharing your comments and your opinions we are out of here because time is not on our side but coming up next is why Mashareki we will be around so keep it Y24 she has been my guest Shila many thanks back home thank you for keeping us company I will see you on Friday have a good night