 Welcome everyone, and welcome to the webinar, Saving Our Site, Archiving Web Content. My name is Alicia Kidd, and I'm online here with Susan Hope Bard, and our presenters here, Maria Pretzelis, and Sylvie Rawson-Coss. I apologize. Thank you all so much for joining us. Now let's make sure everyone is comfortable using our webinar platform ReadyTalk. Just to go over a few specifics, the chat box at the bottom left-hand corner of the screen at any time, you can use the chat box to let us know if you are having audio problems, if you are having problems hearing, or just any type of problem, just chat in there and let us know. Also, the chat box is used for your questions. We will be flagging your questions and queuing your questions for later review during our Q&A session, which is held in the last few minutes of our After the Presentation. Now if you lose your Internet connection, you can reconnect using the link in the registration or from your reminder email. 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We have Lansing, Michigan. We have Chapel Hill, North Carolina, San Mateo, Pittsburgh. Yay. So yes, we have a variety. It's a lot of people here. So welcome to everyone. And I just wanted to just reiterate, my name is Alicia Kidd. I'm the Online Learning Specialist. Also we have Susan Hope Bard who is the Training and Education Manager for TechSoup. Then you have Sylvie and Maria, Project Manager for Archive It, and also they are both Archivists here with Archive It. So now what I'm going to do is I'm going to transition it to our amazing presenters, and you are going to learn some amazing content and information about archiving. Take it over. All right. Thank you so much. So my name is Maria Putsilis. I am a Project Manager at the Internet Archive working specifically with Web Archiving. So I'm really happy today to be able to kind of give you guys an introduction to Web Archiving and an exciting new grant project that we have. So our agenda today, I'm kind of assuming that Web Archiving is pretty new to you. So we're going to start off by just kind of going over some of the nuts and bolts about what Web Archiving is, why it's important. I will give you some examples of Web Archiving initiatives in public libraries that are happening. And then we'll talk a little bit about the Community Web Project, which is the grant opportunity that we have for public libraries. And my colleague Sylvie is going to give you a demonstration of what some Web Archive collections look like that are being created by public librarians. So then we'll wrap up with any questions that you all might have. So just wanted to ask a question to get this kind of you started. Yes, and thank you. Yes, so I'm going to take over and do the polling question. So what we want to do is we want to know everyone's familiar knowledge base of using Web Archiving. So take a few seconds to answer this question, what is your familiarity with Web Archiving? Number one, experiencing building Web Archiving. Number two, using Web Archive, but not for me, myself. Heard of it or what's Web Archiving? So take a few minutes to answer, or just a few seconds to answer the survey questions, the polling questions so we can get some feedback. Three, two, one. Great. All right. Thanks everyone. So it really looks like the vast majority of you really were somewhat familiar with it, like you've heard of it, but probably not a lot of experience actually, hands-on working with Web Archive. So that's perfect. That's exactly what we were hoping to reach. So a little bit about us. So at the Internet Archive we are a nonprofit digital library and archive. We are located in San Francisco, neighbors with TechSoup. That's actually a photograph there of our office in San Francisco. It's a former Christian Science Church. It's big and beautiful and really a fun place to work. It's also a really interesting place to take a tour if you find yourself in San Francisco and want to come by. Just reach out to us and we can kind of coordinate that for you. We were founded in 1996 by the Internet pioneer, Brewster Cale, and we were officially designated a library by the State of California in 2007. So most people know us by the Wayback machine. So we are freely available online at archive.org.web. We're the largest publicly available web archive in existence. So we've been doing this for a very long time since 1996. So we have captures of the web going all the way back to 1996. So that entire archive constitutes over 302 billion web pages. This archive is constantly growing. We add about 1 billion URLs every week. So a little bit about web archiving and some of the goals in the process of creating these. So the goal of a web archive is to really recreate the same experience that you'd have if you visited that website on the day it was archived. So think of it as your time machine going back in time, seeing that web page as it was the day it was captured. So the way we do this, we have crawlers that go out. They capture as much information as possible from all of the original web resources. And then they use these resources to play back the archived version of the site using our Wayback software. So just an example here of web archiving. So this is NASA.gov. You can tell you're looking at an archived web page. It's a little small, but the banner up at the top is just letting you know these are archived web pages. So all the way on the left you have capture from 1996. They're going all the way back. You can see it's very plain. No images, just really text information presented there. 2007 it's gotten a lot flashier. They've added some dynamic components and a lot of images. And 2017 it is a fully modernized site with all of that content added as well. So by capturing this site through the years you're able to go back and see those versions of the website from the data capture. So if you actually went to that archived web page you could click on any of the links and it would take you to those pages. And they should function just like they would if you were on the live web. So go ahead. No, go ahead. I apologize. Now we're going to go to our next polling question. Now it says here, how long on average do you think information on a website lasts? And the options you have to answer are 33 days, 92 days, 1.5 years, or 3 years. So take a few moments just to answer to give what you think your answer is, 3, 2, 1. All right, I'm so curious to see what people guess was on this. So you all are very smart. The average lifespan of a web page is in fact 92 days. That was determined by our data scientists here at the Internet Archive. So basically they found that this is the time at which the average website has either the content has changed on that web page or it's been removed from the web altogether. So that's really the illustrating why archiving web content is so important because it is very ephemeral. It's not going to last very long. So I want to switch over and talk a little bit about some web archiving projects in public libraries. So in 2014 the NBSA did a survey of web archiving in the United States. They are looking at a number of different components about web archiving, one of which is what type of organizations are doing web archiving. So they found that about 2% were coming from public libraries. So the majority of institutions doing web archiving were state and government archives and at the university or college level. So the reason why this was kind of concerning to us at the Internet Archive is because public libraries have such a long tradition of collecting analog materials documenting their region and thinking of local history rooms with amazing clipping files of newspapers and photo collections and manuscripts or special collections about notable figures in the community. A lot of local history rooms also collect municipal records as well. So as this content has transferred so that it's really being increasingly published online and only online, there's a gap in these collections that are really kind of fundamental to community and local history. So it's that the community web project is seeking to bridge. So we do have a few public libraries who have been partnering with us at the Internet Archive and using Archive It, which is our subscription web archiving software. These libraries are also partners in the community web project as well. So San Francisco Public Library, they also are neighbors. They've been a partner since 2007. Their collecting is run out of the Government Information Center. So not surprisingly they archive a lot of sites related to regional government agencies. They've got a lot of websites that they have been archiving. They've got over 600 that they've archived over the years. So some of the topics that they collect on, climatological data, city department websites, local events like these are screenshots of these web pages. So bottom right got the Super Bowl which was a big, big deal in San Francisco. So they collected a bunch of websites to deal with that. They also have some city commission websites as well. Cleveland Public Library is another partner. They also collect a lot of government and municipal websites related to Cleveland, just some screenshots of archived web pages around the city and government, local news, tourism, etc. East Baton Rouge, Paris Library is a pretty new partner, but they're doing some really cool stuff. I'm really happy to be working with them. They have some interesting collections and Sylvie is actually going to go in and show you some of these during her demo. But they've got sites related to significant local events. So that includes news articles that they're capturing. And it also includes social media. So we do get a really common question is can you archive social media content? I've got a Facebook page or Twitter that I need to capture or maybe your community has these social media sites that are really where important conversations are happening. And we definitely can archive social media. And I would say at this point the majority of our partners do archive social media as part of their collecting strategy. So I just want to ask a question here. Does your institution have an Active Local History Collecting Program? Let us know just to get a sense of what kind of collecting you all might do. All right, thanks everyone. So it looks like most of you about 60% do have an Active Local History Collecting Program which is great. So it's exactly the type of institutions that we're hoping to reach out to so that these local history collecting can start to incorporate content that is exclusively online at this point. So now I'm talking specifically about the Community Web Project. So it is a two-year IMLS funded program. Really the goal again is to empower public libraries to build collections of historically valuable web published materials that document their local communities. So as part of this grant and this program we're not dictating to libraries what content they should be capturing or the topics of those contents. It's really up to the local libraries and their communities what they decide is important to capture. So a lot of people have been asking if there's a specific requirement for what they're capturing and it's completely up to the libraries. So what do participants get through this project? There is an annual $3,500 stipend that's every year for two years and that's to be used to attend conferences. We do have cohort meetings where the other participants get together and talk about the projects and other professional development events. So that includes additional or courses maybe on digital creation or related topics. It also includes a five-year subscription to Archive It. And Archive It is that web archiving software. That is for five years. So even though the project is only for two we've extended it so it extends an additional three years just so that these web archiving programs can be fully rooted in the library within that five-year span. And it also includes in-person and online trainings in web archiving and also in outreach and patron engagement. So many people have asked about what does participation look like? How much time is this going to be needing for staff? Obviously we're all strapped for time. So we tried to develop a program that really isn't too time-intensive. We have determined that on average it would be about two hours a week in staff time. I do think when you're first getting to know Archive It, first learning about web archiving and getting your program established likely that it would be more than two hours in the very beginning. But once it gets kind of in the groove and you've got your collections created I think on average it would not be more than two hours a week. So it also includes six project-related virtual trainings. We are partnering with Web Junction on those trainings and we'll have a whole online course space. Those sessions will be about an hour each and we'll have three per year. We are also looking for a really – or to create a very active cohort. So we are looking for people who are willing to contribute to blogs about the project who really are going to be engaged in the public library community and help kind of spread the word about web archiving to their colleagues. It does include travel and conferences. Again, those are covered by the annual stipends. The first in-person cohort meeting is pretty soon after the participants are announced. That's November 2nd and 3rd in San Francisco at the Internet Archive. Attendance at that meeting is mandatory. So we're asking for people who are applying for this project to be sure that they could attend that meeting. We really want it to be a collaborative project where people are getting to know their colleagues and really forming a community of librarians working on this. So we think that meeting in person is really key for that. There's only so much you can do virtually. I think there's something to be said for face-to-face, at least in the beginning. And then moving forward, we encourage the cohort to attend at least one local, regional, or national if you wanted to conference to speak about the project or to promote it. So that could be a panel presentation. It could be a poster session, et cetera, or if you just want to lead a discussion group, that would be cool. So some key dates with the project. Applications are due Friday, August 25th. It's a pretty short application so it doesn't take too much time to apply. So I definitely encourage you not to be intimidated and give it a try. We will be announcing the cohort on Friday, September 8th. We're sending around, I can see Susan is already chatting in, but on our project page there's going to be a link to the application there. I'm going to turn it over to my colleague, Sylvie, and she is going to give you a demonstration of some public libraries and their Web Archive collection. Thank you, Maria. Just a moment, let me just confirm that you can see my screen. I sure can. Okay, great. So here we are on archivet.org. As Maria mentioned, all of the participants in the Community Web's program will have access to archivet accounts where they will be building and archiving their own website, building a Web Archive collection. This is a portal that we provide our partner organizations. So they're able to provide public access to their archived website collections. So I'm just going to scroll a little bit here. You can see that you can explore collections up at the top or search and explore through collecting organizations here or search for a name. I'm going to go ahead and click into the East Baton Rouge Parish Library. This is one that Maria mentioned earlier, and this is a really great example of a public library building Web Archive collections. So you can see this is their public access page on archivet.org. They've added a description. They've uploaded their own logo. And if I scroll down a little bit, I can see the collections that they've created. So not only are they collecting their city website and library website on an ongoing basis, but they're also creating collections on events that affected their community at different times. So we can see a collection on Louisiana flooding, the shooting of Baltimore Stirling, and the shooting of Baton Rouge Police. We click into one of these collections. That's going to open up the collection page. Again, they've added their own description and a logo here. And if I scroll down a bit, I can see the websites that they've been archiving in this collection. Looks like they've added a bit of information about a lot of these sites. These are all related to the flooding in Louisiana. So if I click on one of these, I'm going to open it over here. So I've clicked on a URL, and that's going to bring me to a calendar page. So they've archived this website once, as we can see, on August 21st, 2016. So if I click into that, I'm going to open the archived website. Give that a minute to load. So this is a news article about school closings due to the flooding. And you can see it's an archived website because of this banner here at the top. All websites archived with archived have this banner. You can see that it was collected by the East Baton Rouge Parish Library, and it was captured on August 21st, 2016. So we're seeing this page exactly like we would have if we were looking at it back in August of 2016. Let's take a look at one more collection here. I'm going to click into their library collection. So this is something that they're archiving on a regular basis. So again, here's that logo and description for this collection. And if I scroll down a bit, I can see the website that they have archived. I'm going to go ahead and click into that. And I see this calendar page has a lot of entries. That means they're kind of documenting this site over time. I'm going to click into one of these captures from December 6th, 2016. I'm going to put that load. And again, this is telling me that this was archived by the East Baton Rouge Parish Library on December 6th, 2016. And I should be able to use this site the same way I would on that day. You should be able to click through it. It's going to be interactive the same way it was. And this is also kind of a neat little artifact here. We saw that the flooding, the flood collection had content from August 2016. This is December and we're still seeing that apparently the flood was still affecting their library system so it's kind of an interesting little piece there. And with that, I'm going to head back to our slides. And I think we are about ready to open it up for questions. Great. Thank you so much, Sylvie. That was amazing showing the demonstration. So yes, we have some great engaging questions. The first question that was queued up is, can online web content be combined with digitized content? Okay, this one. So this grant is specifically for web-based content. So it can't be used for digitization projects. So I'm assuming that's what they mean. And you could archive sites that have digitized material, but I don't know that's probably not the best use of it. So I guess the simple answer is, it's really for born digital web-based content, not digitization. Great. Now the next question is, it states here, is archive content stored on local servers or hosted on your servers? So for example, is the public-facing webpage for content a local or a hosted service? So we do all of the hosting at the Internet Archive. So really from the library perspective, all you need is an Internet connection. And we host and store all of that data for you. It's also important to know that that is a commitment that we make going forward. So even beyond the five years of archiving, if you didn't continue web archiving, we would continue to host that data and provide access to that data. Great. And the questions just keep on coming. This next question states, is the training for just a librarian or is it for people, or can staff, library staff get the training as well? So what we want is kind of one point person from the library to commit to participating in the project for two years. But we do recognize that two years can be a long time. So people might change jobs. So other people on the staff could certainly get trained as well. But we do want kind of like a primary point person so that we have that cohesive community in the cohort. And I have another question because you offered that amazing cohort. Some people may not be able to go. So the question is, are you planning to have another cohort next year? And around what time can people expect to hear about it for 2018 or 2019? So this project is two years and we only have funding for this one cohort. It's seemingly more successful and we have a lot of interest. It definitely helps us go back to the IMLS and say, hey, there was big demand for this and it went great. Can we do it again? But as of now, we only have the funding for this one time. But that's not to say it won't happen again. I don't know for sure. Okay, great. And this question is an interesting question. It's about archiving software and social media. So can archive it software, archive social media, or social media sites like Facebook, like if you have a Facebook page and you have information on there, can a library archive a Facebook event or for local organizations? Yes, so you definitely can archive social media sites. And that includes Facebook or Twitter. We also have people archiving Instagram. So yes, definitely possible. Very common. I think most of our partners at this point are capturing social media content. I have a tech question. It's basically about the software. So are there any IT or infrastructure requirements for participating libraries such as do they need a specific server, software, external hard drives, web design, et cetera? Or do you guys work with once they purchase the software to make sure that they have the right requirements? No, it's completely web-based. So it's a web-based application. I'm sorry, I should have made that more clear. So they don't need any software to install. There's no hardware requirements. All you need is an internet connection and an account and you're good to go. Okay, another question is it states, in order for my library to archive an organization's website, I guess including the city, what kind of authorization slash permission does one need? So when they're archiving, is there, I guess in the intake process, is there any type of formalities that one library needs to take before archiving? No, it's really up to your institution. But on a technical level, there's no process required in order to archive those websites. Okay, also in referencing to community grants. Do you mean referencing that that's where it came from? I'm assuming so, or if they were awarded. Oh, I see. That's a good question. I haven't really thought of it. What we can do if we don't have the answer, we'll just table book that and then we can follow up and get an answer. But that is a great question. Yeah, it would be nice to be credited. And I'm sure we will have ways in which we'll be demonstrating some of the valuable content that has been collected as part of this grant, but we don't have a specific requirement at this point. And we're loving these questions. We do have time for a few more. So this is an interesting question. It says, can a public library archived collections be embedded on the library's website? Or do patrons need to access the content through archived site? So content, do they need to go through archived or can it, I guess, go through the library? No, it can be embedded or what we call make a landing page that would allow that content to sort of stay within the institution website. So it's definitely possible. We do have a lot of partners that do that. Okay. And this is a follow-up question regarding the grant getting, I guess, Can it be, how should I say, archived? So the follow-up in reference to the grant, the question is for the grant, one of the questions acts whether our institution will sign an agreement. So is there a place where we can go to view the agreement or can you give us an idea of what is in it? That is a good question. I've been asked a few times. We're actually, to be honest, we're in the process of putting it together right now. But really it's just a standard sort of MOU that sort of outlines what the project is, what the responsibilities are of the participating organization. But I don't think it's definitely not intended to be anything scary or raise red flags from Library Legal Team. Great. And with this amazing topic where the questions just keep on coming, so here's another one. It says, is there a chance multiple partners would archive the same site? For example, do you monitor that and does it matter? That is a great question. There's always a chance of that. We don't monitor it because it's not just a matter of archiving the same site. You might be archiving at a different frequency. Maybe you're archiving it just once, I archive it every month. The content is different. So you certainly can search archive.org and see if anybody else is capturing that webpage. But it's not something that we would prevent or necessarily flag. Great. And this is in reference I think to the cohort. How many public libraries do you hope will apply and be awarded? Good question. We hope that lots and lots of public libraries will apply because as I mentioned it will help us go to the IMLS and prove that this has been an important project and there was a lot of interest. So it really helps us kind of make our case. It is a pretty small cohort. It's 15 libraries. And we kept it at that size so that we could have a real community of people doing this. And there would be that sort of collaborative nature of it. So it's 15 libraries. Great. And another question I have here says, are there any copyright issues with archiving other organization sites? That's a great question. We get asked that a lot. So with copyright we really kind of leave that up to our partners or in this case the participants in the cohort to be responsible for following their own institutional policy regarding these things. I can tell you that different institutions really run the gamut for how they handle those issues. Some institutions reach out and request permission before they are capturing a site. Some people just reach out and say, we are capturing this historically important material. Let us know if you don't want us to. So basically opt out. Some institutions will go and archive that site and then respond to takedown requests. So that would be, I tell you please take down this site and then you would remove it from your archive. So every institution has their own policy. And we don't try and enforce any one policy because there are so many different ways of approaching it. And I have another question that's related but you've probably answered it and I'll just ask the question that's in reference to copyright. It says, do we need to solicit a signed agreement from the owner of a site in order to archive it? Yeah. So again, it's your institutional policy. So some institutions do that. There is some documentation mostly in the university setting about how they have approached it. I think the majority do not do that. But there are some institutions that do seek that sort of actual agreement before they are capturing sites. So I would not say that's the majority. But again, from our perspective that's kind of on the partner's policies to decide how they are going to approach that. Great. And then I have a question that says, can records of archive sites be linked between Archive It and library OPAC catalogs slash catalogs? OPEX slash catalogs. To an extent, we do have some feeds that I think would work for that. I'd need to know specifically what kind it was. And we are working on a project with WorldCat that might allow something like that. But for the most part, most institutions, you know, you can have a landing page on your site where you're pulling in all the data from Archive It. Moving it into an OPAC kind of depends on how your data is organized and what kind of system you're in. Great. And this is another I guess follow-up question. What if a person asks, what if my city does not want me to archive their site but I do? If your city does not want you to archive their site but you do. Yes, is there any ramifications to that? Or is it only if I guess they find out? Yeah, well I guess in that case which I have never, especially for a city site I've never experienced that you can certainly request that we remove it from your web archive which we can do very quickly. So that in that case we call it a takedown request and you can just remove it from your archive. I have a question in reference to the cohort. They're looking, one person is looking at the page to apply but it says read. Basically it's just not allowing them to access the link. So is the application available? Yeah, I'm not sure. It's definitely available. There's a link to the application on the project page. Okay. And then also here I have one, it says archive it capture, picture slash media files on sites and PDFs or other documents that might be linked on the archive site. Yes, so you definitely, everything on a page embedded material like embedded images or PDFs or videos, those can be captured as part of an archive. Now I have another follow-up question in reference to the one prior about if the city does not want you to archive it. Another question related says, relating to the question about a city not wanting the site to be archived, is there a means to keep archive sites private? But still in the archive system? Yes, you can, what we call dark page. So that would mean that it's still being archived but it's not publicly viewable. Or you can actually, I guess in this instance what you'd want to do is you could just make it not publicly available on the website. So that means that you can view it. You've captured it but it's not going to be listed as one of the websites so the public wouldn't have access to that content. So that's probably a good way to work around if you were capturing something that you thought was really important but you weren't sure if you were ready to make it publicly available. You can definitely do that. Great. And then one person may basically comment about when we talked about the copyright saying isn't the Internet Archive the organization? So basically it's just leaving it up to the organization to make that decision versus it being enforced. And it potentially could be a violation of copyright holders. So it's more of a statement question. So is there work around that or have you guys ever come across anything where? We have never had a problem with that. I think the Internet Archive specifically with Web Archiving we work with hundreds and hundreds of institutions that are creating their own collections of web content. Every institution has different collecting strategies and policies about how they're getting that content and how they work their permissions. So there's no constructive way for us to be involved in that process. And we really don't think of it as our place because it's the institutional decision about how they want to handle that. Great. And here's one great question about how will you determine which libraries will be chosen for the cohort? That is a great question. So we're really hoping to get a diverse group of libraries. So we're hoping to get geographically diverse. We want urban and rural distributed around the country. We're also looking for participants who are really excited and motivated to help us spread the word about Web Archiving and who are active in their communities. So those are kind of the type of libraries that we're looking for. But I wouldn't be dissuaded if you're a small public library or you have a small staff. Definitely we want to have a broad range of types of libraries that are engaged in this. Great. Also either one of you can answer this in reference because we have people highly interested in this cohort. One person is saying that the application set on the website says the application says to review the participant overview. But where is it? So where I guess is the application on the website? Sorry, I can jump in here. I see where it says that on the website. And I think we're referring to what this participation looks like section on the information page, unless Maria, you have another thought on that. Yes. So what do you mean by that? Do you mean on the actual application, just this section below? So it says the application. Yes, the participant overview for details on the project. We're referring to the information on the information page that's linked in the paragraph above. So we're just referring to the paragraph above. Okay, so there's no separate page. It's just that same document. We're just saying refer to the above. Great. And another question is beyond the five-year funded grant time, are there different pricing schemes for different size libraries to continue using software to continue the project? So what if I want to continue but can't afford it? Yeah, that's a great question. So there's definitely different pricing schemes depending on how much they're collecting. And we're a nonprofit and our goal is to have as many institutions web archiving as possible. So we definitely would be willing to work with a cohort member to make sure that they can continue using the software. So we've got many nonprofits that, I don't know how should I say, get subsidized accounts of various levels. So we can be. We definitely want to work with the community to make sure that it's feasible for them. So great. These were some amazing questions. And thank you to our presenters for just answering those in-depth questions. Here, if you want to learn more about archiving and just their amazing social media here on the Learn More page, we have their actual blog. We have their Twitter which is at archive.org. We have the Facebook. We have their web archiving lifecycle white paper and community web information websites and also their e-mails. Yes, and their e-mails are Maria at archive.org as well as Sylvia. Sylvia, I apologize, at archive.org. Did you guys have any closing statements? Because I'm sure you do. If not, this was amazing. No, I just thank everyone for coming and some really great questions. I also want to thank TechSoup for being such a wonderful host and being so supportive of the project. It was really great working with you. And yeah, thank you. And feel free to reach out to Sylvia or myself with any questions that we didn't get to answer today. I definitely encourage you all to just give the application a try. Like I said, it's pretty short and it's an exciting project. So I'm really happy to be working with the public library community on this. And before we close, we actually have one more question here. And it says, what if sites I would like to archive are on my community web? Grants project are already represented in I guess in the archives. Do they differ? So for example, if there's duplication. Right. That's a great question. So the general way back machine says the calls that we run on a regular basis. It's not capturing every single website out there or every single website to completion. So even if it had a capture of a page that you wanted to capture, it probably doesn't have it from the time that you want it. And it's probably not going to be totally comprehensive. So it might have a few pages in the site. It might not have the entire website just depending on how it was captured. So by collecting it, you engage in the act of curating this collection. So you're just finding that these groups of sites all related to my community are being captured at this frequency. Maybe it's a weekly blog or something, and you make sure you're getting all of that content. And you also are curating that for your patrons as well. That answers the question. Yes, it does. So, and thank you both to our presenters. Before we conclude, we just wanted to engage the audience to let us know what did you guys learn from this amazing archived library and presentation. So just take a few moments to chat of what you learned and what you didn't know now but you know now, what you didn't know before and what you know now. Just take a few minutes or a few seconds to chat what you learned from this great presentation. Now, before we go, we want to make sure that everyone, while this concludes, what you want to do is you always want to go to our website which is techsuit.course.tc4 slash catalog. This is our university where you can check out our online courses. It's free to join. There's a lot of great information in reference to just a lot of information that will help libraries as well as we expose you to a multitude of things that will help enhance your libraries as well as your staff and just it gives you a plethora of information. So again, feel free to join that website and explore Techsuit. Go to the catalog and just explore. Also, we have some amazing upcoming webinars and events coming up on the 17th, How to Get Tech Donations, a special TechSoup tour on the 22nd. Everyone uses Excel so this is going to be an amazing webinar for anyone who wants to know about Excel to enhance their work process. And then finally, we have another webinar on the 24th, Creating Accessibility Online Resources for People with Disabilities. So make sure you go to our TechSoup webinar events page for more information. And in closing, I want to thank everyone for attending. I also want to thank our sponsor ReadyTalk for allowing us to use this great platform. And everyone have an amazing day and make sure to answer the survey you will get. And thank everyone. Make sure to answer the survey. You will also get this recording really shortly along with any type of PowerPoint. Thank you everyone. Have a great evening or day.