 Welcome everyone to the Bridging Knowledge Scholarship webinar tonight in our series. We have John A Paydon who's joining us. This scholarship program is sponsored by the IMLS and we are so glad that you were all here to join us. This presentation will be recorded and the recording will be posted to the SJSU YouTube channel and it will also be shared with the Sustainable Heritage Network. If you have any questions feel free to pop them into chat and at the end of Johnna's presentation she will be offering time up for Q&A. So we're so glad that you're here. And without further ado, I will let Johnna introduce herself. Thank you Johnna. Sure. Hi everyone. It is great to see you here. Thank you for coming to the live session. My name is Johnna Paydon. I am from Acoma and Laguna Pueblos and that's my Pueblo behind me in my background. I titled this Responsibility Representation and Respect in a Tribal Archives and Library because I hope to show how these three words are my guide for the work that I do. I was raised by my grandparents. I grew up on the Laguna Reservation but I'm very tied to my Acoma homelands and I've lived in Albuquerque for gosh going on 24 years now. Alrighty, so as you all know I'm a graduate of San Jose State University. I was part of the second circle of learning cohort. My title says Librarian and Archivist, but I am Archives Educated and Trained. So for my degree, I chose the career path of Archives and Records Management, which really it's the whole title is Management, Responsibility Representation and Preservation of Cultural Heritage and Records. So I am in my third year as the chair of Native American Libraries Special Interest Group of the New Mexico Library Association, and I am also the archivist for the NMLA. And one of the associations I belong to is the Society of Southwest Archivists and I'm on the committees, the South, I'm sorry, Diversity and Outreach Committee and the Publications Subcommittee and the Local Arrangements Committee because SSA will be in Albuquerque next year. So I'm excited for that. I've never been able to attend any of those conferences so I'm excited for that one and I believe I'll be doing a tour of the Cultural Center for the group that comes. Another project I was involved with is the School for Advanced Research. We did guidelines for collaboration. This one is guidelines for non-indigenous museum and archival staff that work that are working with Indigenous museum archives and curatorial professionals, cultural leaders and artists. So it's really just advice for the Native side, the Indigenous side, for them what to expect when you go into a museum, what sort of questions should you ask, what should you be prepared for. So things like, you know, and they should on their end tell you, you know, if you're going to be surrounded by certain items or even like, you know, skeletal remains and such so that you're aware of those things because naturally maybe in your culture that's not something you should be around or women shouldn't be around certain types of objects. So it's just kind of advice to help the two, both the Indigenous people and the non-Indigenous archive and museum folk be able to work together. So of course on the museum side we would hope that they would, for whatever information we give them that they would also share it back with the communities. So here's the Cultural Center. If you've never been here to visit the center, the picture on the left is one entrance and the picture on the right is the middle. So it's kind of shaped, the center was built in 1976 so we're close to celebrating our 50 year anniversary. The original building is a D shape which is reminiscent of Chaco Canyon. And so there's murals all around the big walls in there as well as a lot of artwork, huge artwork pieces of artwork by Pueblo artists within the building. So this new part has meeting rooms for us. So I've been there for a total of 20 years. I started out in the bookstore, which is opposite this picture here. The room is opposite this picture. I was in retail for about 11 of those years. So I was on the profit side of the Cultural Center. We have both a non-profit and a profit side. And so after I had my son, then I became a stay home mom. And I was stay home mom for about four years. And then I went back to the center. Well, because in that time, 2001 or 2002, I went back to the University of New Mexico. I had started right out of college, but I certainly wasn't ready for for college. I had bad habits and in high school and that followed me straight through college. I went for about a year and a half and then I left. I thought, you know, I'm wasting my grandma's money. I shouldn't be wasting her money. So let's I'll come back at another time in later years. And so it took me almost 10 years before I went back to UNM, but I loved it because I got to make my own degree. And so in that time, I thought, well, you know, I love my job. I was doing receiving at that time. Checking in all the merchandise that we purchased, putting it into a database, putting price tags on it, that sort of thing. But I that wasn't a career. That wasn't something I wanted to do for the rest of my life. And so then I happened to come across the honoring generations at University of Texas Austin. And I thought, well, what the heck is a library and information science degree. I found you could become an archivist and I thought, well, hey, that's I think that's something I want to do. So then I just happened to find the circle of learning program at SJSU and applied and yay, I got in. Okay, so the next photo, I'll tell you all about all about me as we go along. So here's our mission. The mission of the center is to preserve and perpetuate Pueblo culture and to advance understanding by presenting with dignity and respect the accomplishments and evolving history of the Pueblo people of New Mexico. Now the purpose statement, the library has a different mission. Oh, that is, I'm sorry. That's the mission statement for the library. No, no, no, no, I'm confused here. This is the mission statement for the cultural center. So our mission statement is a little bit different, but it relates to the mission statement of the center. So the purpose statement for us is that we reflect and support the IPC's mission by collecting and preserving Pueblo history and culture, and to provide informational resources to educate and understand the 19 Pueblos of New Mexico and then the indigenous peoples of North America. And actually, there are 20 kind of 21 Pueblos. We kind of include the Hopi as a Pueblo because they've been kind of named a Pueblo, but they're kind of not really a Pueblo and they're in Arizona. And there's a sluttadel sir, which is in El Paso, Texas. Okay, next photo please. So here's a map I thought I'd share of all of the Pueblos that are in New Mexico. So we go from Taos Pueblo in the north to Islada in the south, all the way to Zuni in the west. So there are 14, I believe, 14. There's more tribal libraries, almost every Pueblo has a tribal library, but there's more coming every year and of course the Navajo Nation has that as well as chapter houses. Their main library is in Wendo Rock, but they also have chapter houses across their land base. Okay, next. So here is the entry photo to the library and archives were located in the basement. And every single, this is our third move and I think this, I hope this isn't our final move because I would love to get us above ground to where people can see us and, you know, not be stuck in the basement, but every single entry to the library has been excellent for SWAT analysis, which I'm sure y'all have taken that in the Library 101 class, the strengths, weaknesses, opportunities and threats, because we're just not visible. And I mean, it's gotten better, but we're still kind of not visible because this little hall area, I lighten the picture, it's kind of dark there. But once you walk in, we've got 40, I think I counted 40, like 44 lamps or lights, fixtures at the top. And we had someone who came through and did an assessment for environmental assessment for the library and archives and it was crazy. And they said that the average, the normal light lumens I think is like 300. And with all of these lights here, we're at 1800. So it's quite bright in there. The bookshelves that you see there, they were donated by the University of New Mexico. And this was just around, you know, we're still kind of in COVID time so we have the plexiglass what do you call in the center there to dividers, dividers in there. So the library has been in existence for as long as the center has, but it was often, it was started by Dr. Joe Sando, who's from Hamas Pueblo, along with, he's a historian and an author, along with a UNM professor and his wife. And up until about 2012, it was managed by non-librarian volunteers and only open one day a week for limited hours. So as I said, that's one reason I decided to get an MLIS and I thought I would love to get this place open and more visible. And so I returned back to the center in 2011 for about a year and a half as a volunteer so I could get familiar with what I would be working with. And I had absolutely no experience working in the library or in archives. So that was my opportunity and chance to do so. Things worked out because in 2012, we got a grant, an administration for Native Americans grant that helped expand the library, helped purchase a lot of the equipment, desks, computer software, computers, helped pay for three student interns of which I was one and brought on a director to help start the library. So that so we moved from the library used to be located right next to a boiler room. So we moved it into a little bit bigger room. And so now this is an even larger room. So we are a research library. And so one of my goals has been to make this a welcome environment. So right, you know, doing little things like if you can see on the table there, there's a little tiny plant that I bought like at the dollar store just to give it some color, you know, livin up the table. And there's a few other things I've bought bigger plants and whatnot I put a, like a wooden coat rack at the door, just, you know, to make it a little bit livelier and I had one of my friends. He does a lot of sewing of traditional clothing and whatnot. I asked him to make a like a coffee table scarf, because we have some old card catalogs there. So to cover the top it's really beautiful. So just little things like that just to end. I do know they have like clocks with the numbers and carousel maybe eventually I'll get that along the wall you can just barely see there's a whole row. And which are the, the, what's the right word, the, the, like the symbols, the logos of each of the pueblos. So, but they're in black and white and I think I'd like to get those in color. So we're non lending, and we're special collections and research library so we use the Library of Congress cataloging for our classification system. We're focused on Pueblo history but we also have other Southwest tribes and indigenous peoples across the globe really a majority of our books are donated. We have a lot of older titles that are represent representative of the 1950s to maybe the 1980s, maybe even older 1930s and such, which I keep in a special collection for research purposes, because especially the children's books because I don't really books I want children to be reading, but they are great research material for people who might be research and you know what representations of us look like how we were written about, because really it's, you know, on one hand it's amusing but on another hand it's, you know, it's not so. So when I was a student intern with the administration for Native Americans grant, I was an intern for three years. So for the first year, year and a half I worked on the library side. And one of the things that I was awarded I wrote a grant for the New Mexico to the New Mexico Library Foundation to help purchase some books. And those were children's books. Okay, next slide please. This is one of our prize collections it's the theses and dissertations. These were researched and written by Pueblo scholars from about the 80s on, and if they're not written by Pueblo scholars they're definitely Pueblo topics. And so we would love to grow this section because we're, you know, getting a lot more Pueblo people going to college and, you know, producing dissertations and research so this is definitely a section we would like to grow. Next slide. So this is our children's and juvenile books. So the picture on the left is what any typical library looks like, especially, I think a research library. I'm kind of taken from the public library side, and using colored tabs so like on the right here, so that the children's books are their call number has a different color versus the juvenile section which has a different color, which is helpful for our volunteers that help us in the library it'll help them and us be able to bookshelf the books properly. So, and then of course just taking the books and facing them out to say you know this is a new book or here's the topic for the month and here's you know books on that topic. So just trying to make the bookshelves look more welcoming and inviting and able to browse by, by, you know, shelf because the Library of Congress system is really tough. I mean a lot of my classmates kind of laughed at me when I took when I took cataloging and classification because, you know, a lot of places you have the software that will do it for you but when I structured my MLIS last degree I did it with my boss, Dr. Rose Diaz, who is very helpful in helping me navigate this new world of library and information science. She wasn't a librarian but she did work at the University of New Mexico library she was a research historian. So, she helped me pick a lot of the classes that we thought I would need to run a place like the cultural center. So, cataloging and classification was one of those and I'm so glad I took it because it's helped me learn about the Library of Congress subject headings as well as all the things that are wrong with it and the issues with it you know and the naming. You know, to how they're how we're catalogued and classified. So, um, so what I did here then with the kids section is I broke it up into different areas so there's a people section as you can see there with Deb Holland, Maria tall chief and will my man killer. There's a nation section so that's going to be on tribal nations about tribal nations. There's a section on myths and legends because that's what they call our stories. And then just a general section. So I'd like to extend this kind of organization throughout the entire books that we have. You know putting the poetry all in one place because they can't the literature sometimes they're in different places because of the way LCC catalogs them by location rather than by subject, putting all the art books together all of the boarding school education books together. And I'm very well might separate them by nation. I know we have a donation that came in that's primarily books on Alaska tribe so that's what I'd like to do there. Okay, so I prefer to get, especially with the children section native authored books, more than half of our books are donated. We have a loan from the Albuquerque Archaeological Society. Most of them are older books in the children section, such as by Ann Nolan Clark, which were readers she did a series of readers for to be used in Indian schools. But those as we know are troublesome for their content their voice and their accuracy. So those go into the special access, like I said I don't want kids to be reading books like that about them themselves. And there's also books you know that have been bought and I will say that when I worked on the retail side I was the book buyer. And I'm, I will honestly say I didn't assess every book that I bought so I know, you know, some of our popular sellers where the Paul global books which aren't Debbie Reese will not recommend. So I think for those books that are still in here, like those written by global, I would love to get articles and be able to put them with the books or put them in a section nearby so you know we can say well this is why this book, you know isn't the best to have. Okay, so we also have in the special access we have some restrict its restricted sections for religious and I guess you could just call them cultural tell all's where you know there's everything written about a tribe or a nation. And some of the pueblos are more open than others but because we're all related, we will respect the more traditional pueblos and restrict access to culturally sensitive materials. And, you know, we've had people come in that ask them, particularly for like, hopey kachina books and if they're non native we tend to not let them see. But at the same time you don't want to police what people read so there's a fine line, and I think we're just still trying to figure that out what that means and how we enforce that. So that's a work in progress. Okay, next slide. This here is our catalog. We use library thing because of its low cost, but it certainly has issues it's not meant to be a book catalog. It takes a lot of the information from Amazon and automatically feeds it in there. And one of the issues was, as I mentioned, the library was run by volunteers. So they didn't understand or weren't aware of library policies. And how things should be proper, properly put into a catalog. Plus there were, as we say too many cooks in the kitchen, you know, so there's a lot of inconsistencies in our in the database. And, you know, as I mentioned I worked in retail and I did entry of the inventory so database is in my background I had over 10 years of work with databases so I understand how to how something should work better. So that's what I'm trying to do with this catalog is to improve all of the little glitches and whatnot and try to work and see how this catalog can work better for us. So next slide please. So this is an example of one of them. The top one the Pueblo Nations that's what an old entry would look like. So it uses a lot of tags, which are not necessarily helpful, you know when you have just the general public naming things because, you know what what is what is something you know what is land rights who's land rights, those sort of things. So the next Thunder Baron code that's one of the. Yes, one of the improved tags. So, you know where I try to be conscious of the naming of people. So saying, you know, take what Indians instead of a general Indians of North America. But even on that kind of labeling, when you get Indians of like Indian, let's see is it here Indian Wars, or Indian women, I tend to put in brackets American in front, just to differentiate that you know, we're talking American Indians. So the nice thing we I've been doing is adding on the reading age and the grade level just to give readers a general idea of you know what grade level that book might be for. And one of the new things I found in library thing is to be able to do a collection. So that way they're divided you know the children's collection, we have a juvenile collection, a reference dissertation and the seas. The special access and the books that are on loan from the Albuquerque Archaeological Society. So as you'll see on the bottom the seeming Sue. That's our designation that special access children. And then the rest of the call number. Okay, next slide. Um, let me see. So I transitioned from the library in March, March 23 of 2020. Yeah, I was. So after I did my stint as a student intern, I was at the cultural center, I was a volunteer and then and a student intern from 2012 to 2015. And then I came back in 2018 as a community intern. And so I had been called back to the center because they had a national endowment for the humanities grant. And so I worked with her on an oral history project, which I'll show here in a bit. So when I came transitioned over to the library, because the previous librarian before me left took a different position. Alone, my staff were put on furlough and the cultural center closed as we dealt with the COVID. So I worked from home for a bit. And then I went back to work, you know, all these dates. Just kind of mesh in my mind so I can't exactly remember what wins what I think I went back into work in November of 2020 for a while. And we worked staggered shifts so that, you know, half of the staff was there in the other half was there on different days. So like Monday, Wednesday, Friday kind of thing Tuesday, Thursday. And so that so that we didn't have the full staff. And so in that time I decided well, you know, what can I do to help make the library more visible. And so I started this blog, doing a monthly library blog. At that time on the nonprofit side we would have monthly theme. And so we would try to kind of do the same related content. The nonprofit side includes the museum and the curatorial. What is what is her title curator of collections I believe she is so she does a view into the collection, where she talks about her, the items the objects that we have at the cultural center art, art objects. So like, you know, in December, we would do a storytelling kind of theme, and she would talk about storytellers. So that's how I started the library blog. I wanted to inform on contemporary subjects and people none of this in the past thing. So I stick most a lot to contemporary topics I mean, I'll bring out like the Pueblo revolt which of course happened in 1680 but you know bring it put pool in new things contemporary things to help tell that story. My background. Okay, so as I said I went back to the University of New Mexico. I got a bachelor of university studies degree which I was happy I got to create my own degree. I did English and under English I did professional writing and native literature. I also focused on linguistics I did a native American languages. So I took Navajo for my language class because I figured, hey I took Spanish in high school. If I'm doing a native studies kind of degree, you know Navajo would be perfect so certainly would have done my own language had they offered it at unm but you know, it's not a written language so my family was a little like what you're taking Navajo but hey, you know, I did pretty well so the guy that you see here at the top that I did the interview with Andrew Thomas he's Navajo and he was so impressed with me that I took that class and gotten a I mean he'll brag about that, although I always remind him it was an a minus. Anyhow, so I was excited to be able to use my writing skills and my research skills to write this blog, and I'm very conscious of how I write and the word it the words that I use to talk about these topics. Okay, let me see. So, I, as I said I love doing this blog, our marketing department posts it on Facebook and Instagram every month. And I have a pretty good readership numbers some some months are higher than others, depending on my topic. And I was excited because the University of Phoenix librarian asked if my tribal sovereignty post could be linked as a learning resource for one of their courses so I mean I was honored to be asked that so you know. Yeah, okay. So next slide please. So this here is our vertical files. These are newspaper articles from about the 1970s on across a range of topics from, you know, archaeology, education, sports, different sports, water. So this picture of the files on the right is shown by Pueblo. So we have one of every Pueblo, and the topics just depend on how much of each topic we have so some might be tribal government. Some might be gaming some might be on water. It just depends. But one of the things we have to to I guess we have to we need to do more assessment of these, because as I said, the library was run by managed and volunteers helped run it for a lawn for so long. That some of these topics aren't necessarily appropriate to have in these file cabinets. And I, you know, I don't know of them until somebody comes in to do research. I had a homeschooled. There were some homeschooled middle schoolers I believe that they had to pick a Pueblo and do a report on and so they were so excited to come here. You know, we had this material for them but one of the kids, you know, the folder he pulled out, it had. Gosh, I think it was newspaper articles on somebody in the tribal government that was accused of embezzlement or something. You know, I mean I know these things happen all across and every city and town and people, but you know that's not something we should really be providing access to that, you know, somebody can read and learn about, you know, well this Pueblo had this happen to them. So there's things like that, that need to be taken out of. And we also have some federal documents in the archives room that, that you know, can go a little too far and I as I said I don't know about them until a researcher brings them to me and this guy said, Hey, I'd love to have a copy of this it was of something at Laguna Pueblo, somebody had visited there and they were writing of what the dances they saw there and I thought no, I'm sorry, I will cannot copy this for you so, you know, it's little things like that that we need to be able to take care of and make sure that they're not used for, you know, wrong purposes or what have you. Okay, next picture. So this one here is our archives the top left picture is looking south. And this one, this part of the archives room are what is processed and what has been done. So the second part of my student internship. I worked on archives, and I did a preliminary assessment of Joe Sandow's papers, as I mentioned he was an author and researcher. So a lot of the articles he looked up and his, his manuscripts the drafts are in there. So I did that and then I did the Friends of the Cultural Center and the Friends Collection. There, there as I mentioned they're the non native people they helped a lot helped with building the cultural center there was a fundraising committee, different committees nominating committee education committee that did lectures to the public. And I'm forgetting the other committees that they had docent docent training. So I did their papers and oh my gosh that must have been, I didn't count, and I didn't take pictures 3040 boxes of papers that you know I saw the same paper, 3456 times and you just, you know, find the best copy and get rid of everything else and I got it down to I think there's eight of those archive boxes there so we have maps on the right side, just different maps, nothing old that that's one issue is we get a lot of questions from researchers wanting materials from, especially the Pueblo revolts I mean that was 1680. We don't have, you know, part of me wants to make a joke and say well here are petroglyphs you know that's our written written material for that time. But they want the voice of the Pueblo people from you know the 1700s 1800s and it's just not there. So, and there's 19 Pueblo so you know that's a lot of material for even if we were to even hold that we, it's a lot of material. So, you know, most of our stuff is contemporary I think the oldest is 1970s and there's there are a few donated books that come from the 30s 40s and 50s. On that back shelf there on the picture on the left, those are the Bureau of ethnology reports and those do go back to I think the late 1800s. Okay, so the picture on the right with all the shelves that is all our unprocessed material. Because the, the library side is kind of like the front piece of both library and archives. It's, we don't have an archivist, you know, I had to learn how to be a librarian, because that was more visible than the archives so there's a lot of material here that hasn't been processed we don't have deeds for so even if we did process it, you know, we need to get permissions to be able to provide access to this material or does it go back to that institution if they exist, you know, or the people that collected this material so there's you know there's a lot of work to be done there. On the bottom left, those are our VHS and there's even some beta cassettes further down. We were picked to be part of the community archives workshop where we would learn about audio visual materials and how to digitize them, how to take care of them. And so that that has been really helpful. We also had were given funds to be able to digitize some of these items so I was excited I picked 20 videos. The videos here are both commercial and non commercial titles. For a long time we had a theater in the, in the basement that was part of the museum, as well as in the bookshop we used to run on a continuous loop. I read about Maria Martinez who was a famous potter from San Aldefonso, and probably to the lord who was a Santa Clara artist. So one of her murals is on the wall there at the center. So, so there's some of those tapes in there. There's also events that happened at the cultural center which is exciting to see from like the early 90s. Lectures that they had meetings every April during Gathering of Nations, we have an American Indian week that for the whole week, where we have different dancers and arts and crafts booths and whatnot so those tapes were in there. So that's exciting to see. And then on the bottom right that's our photo collection so those we have IPCC through the year so there's, you know, pictures of the 1970s before the building, breaking ground of the building through the different additions that have happened to it. And then there's some Smithsonian photos. We have a 1930 Bradley R Curry photos, which are the intertribal ceremonials in ceremonies in Gallup. There's also a First Nation pageant photos. The thing with the oh and a Lee Marmon who's Laguna, a famous photographer. But some of these we don't necessarily have the rights for so like the Smithsonian. So, you know, to a point we can't share them. Okay, so next slide. So this is the project I said I was in before I came on as the librarian. So for this oral history project, we picked 20 women, we tried to get one woman from each of the 19 pueblos, but sometimes their time when they were available didn't fit our timeline, and how it and how we needed to how quickly we had things done. So we settled for 14 of the pueblos are represented here. And so we settled for a range of occupations. So here we have like the lady who's the director of the Miss Indian World at the United Nations we have a tribal historic preservation officer we have a journalist, of course, Dr. Debbie Reese, and me as the intern library intern, we have a couple of business women and educator, a director of education for her as well, an artist. So it was really, it was, it was, it was really fun, and maybe to a point emotional, doing the interviews with these ladies. We would try to research them as much as we could. There are maybe four questions that each one was repeat was asked that was repeated with all the other women. But the other questions came just all dependent on their history their work, what their background was. So all of these videos are online at the link at the bottom. So it was fun to learn from them and it, and I kind of could hear my story in a little bit of my life in each of these women for the different, you know, paths to life that they got. So one of the things we focused on was mentorship, and who they saw as their mentor, and how the mentorships help get them to where they are now. Let's see, looking at my notes here. So I, okay, yeah, I think that's it on this next video slide please. So I show the door. This is right next to the photo collection, because there's a sign on this door that says restricted access. The collection that you see on the right has been behind that door locked I don't even have the key, because it was. It's deals with water rights. And so the four these four pueblos and San Aldefonso they're all up north, San Aldefonso, to Suki Pawaki and non Bay had litigation about their water rights. And they were in dispute and I think the and appeals which the case finally settled in 2017, and the cultural center have had these records for, I think since the early 90s or so and they've been moved from room to room. But as I said they've been under lock and key. So we finally signed an agreement with the four governors and they're going to let us, meaning me process these records and make them accessible to the public, at least those records that can be accessible. They've been kind of locked, because there's information that shouldn't be shared, not just with the public, but people outside of that Pueblo. And so, some of the things that might be in these records are boundary lines that that the pueblos don't want known. There might be locations of sacred sites and such and so those records will still continue to be kept restricted. So we're going to provide access, some finding guides and an establishment of an advisory committee, so that if a researcher because they are very aware the four governors are very aware that these record that these records are going to be. There's going to be people that will really want to know what are in these records. Some of them are held in other places. I hear there's things in here like where they had to get the Spanish records that had to be translated. So that's in the public domain but you know, I guess you kind of have to know where to find these. So in order to take the pressure off of me to tell people know you can't read these records, they're going to create an advisory committee so that I can tell them will you take your case to the advisory committee. You present to them what you want to do with these records, what you want to access, and as the advisory committee that will decide whether or not a person is can see these records. I'm excited for this because you know this is what I went to school for and you know this is the kind of, you know, this is just what I went to school for and this is what I want to do. So, okay, last slide, which is I think just my contact information. So other jobs that I've held in between those years when I wasn't at the cultural center. In 2016 or 17. I was at the Sky City Cultural Center and Haku Haku Museum, my, my home cultural center. And I was, I think the museum assistant. So I didn't do too much with libraries and archives. However, I was also a consultant as a student on a map project that they had. And I also who collected a lot of maps of the land base of Acoma Pueblo. So we helped the museum. I don't remember what his title is exactly the museum guy. We helped him put all of those maps into a database that can be searchable really just an Excel sheet, but understanding what information to take off of those maps. To help find them. And we helped with preservation. So they can encapsulate the maps, so that people, you know, when they touch them. It protects the, the integrity of the map. I was also a consultant at the Pueblo of San Felipe Community Library. I help them with their books. So at a lot of these tribal libraries here in New Mexico, there aren't to degrade librarians. A lot of them have decades of experience, but they don't hold a degree in libraries. I went there and I helped them with their collection. I did a quick lesson for them on they use Dewey decimal system. So what that meant. I showed them like I did with the colored tabs in the library, how to make their books more visible to I helped them designate which were children's books which were juvenile books which were young adult books. And gosh what else did I do over there. I think I helped clean up their database a little bit so that was fun and exciting. And in between I'm sure I've done other minor little consulting jobs and such or, you know, like the SAR collaboration guides. So I think that's it so I'm ready for questions. Brandon, is that you putting your hand Brandon just clapping. Thank you. Well for those of you who haven't read the blog yet I encourage you to do so. When that blog came out I distinctly remember it during COVID and it's such a wonderful blog it really has a lot of good content. I'm not surprised that University in Phoenix reached out about that. I'm glad to hear that. Yeah, I was just said hey somebody recognize it. Yeah, it takes you know time to do the research but I enjoy it so who knew. I mean in high school I was like research what, you know, but I find I like research so. Well you sure shared a lot of information with us. I love that world history project as well. There's a few familiar faces on there that I recognize. Oh yeah. She was really strong and a la and she's retired now so I miss her at our meetings. Yeah she was my mentor for San Jose before the circle of learning program. So she was really helpful to she was a good mentor to me. Oh good I was that that was my next question who was your mentor so I'm not surprised it was Polita she's so wonderful. Yeah. Oh yeah I miss her. Yeah I've had quite a few mentors in my in my schooling you know just, I think it's important I mean. And just to go up to somebody to say hey you know, I see this is the work you do, you know, can I learn from you or, you know, I've approached people just, you know, simple as when I did a presentation at a Tom. I had no I was nervous about it because I thought, you know as I said I don't have a lot of experience in library and archives. You know that's something I would recommend as if you're going to do this you know, at some point, go get go into the field go get a part time job or volunteer or something because I came in just knowing nothing. So I always kind of feel, you know a little bit nervous like well what can I teach somebody who's been doing this for 10 years. I went and spoke to one of my mentors and he's like you know we all can learn something. And I find that now to that you know I get reminded of things that you know I sure I was taught but you know you can't keep everything in your head so it's great when you can get refresher, refreshers from people. Donna, I was going to ask do you want to tell the students about your study abroad that you did when you were in MLIS. You know we don't have much time. Yeah, yeah I was so excited through the University of Wisconsin, and I always forget if it's Madison or Milwaukee. I took a study abroad class in the summer to Melbourne, Australia. I mean, I've been a love of Australia since I was a little girl, you know and so I was so excited to go. We got to visit. It was for archives but we got to visit 14 different institutions, anywhere from a university library to Bunjalaka in the Melbourne Museum which is centered on aboriginal people, Kuri heritage which is also another Indigenous aboriginal institution to, what else did we go, gay and lesbian archives, Melbourne Cricket Ground which they play cricket down there, we went there to a sporting place, with just 14, oh a hospital, the Royal Children's Hospital, so it was really nice to see the different ways, because I think here in Albuquerque we could probably do something like that too, but I had never thought of that, that all the different types of archive places that you could go and see and work at so it was so wonderful to go to go do that if you ever get a chance to do something like that, do it. Well that's great, Jenna, we thank you so much you shared so much information tonight and we all learned something from you. Awesome, happy to be here. Well, we appreciate it. So, students, please send questions and we can keep everyone connected. And until next time I hope you are enjoying your studies, and we'll see you again soon. Awesome, thank you all for coming. Thank you, take care.