 Hello and welcome to toppy TV. We've got two new guys on the sofa today. We've got Steve Carlyle over there, say hello to Steve. Steve is a guy who's quite interested in the stadium construction, right, particularly with his experience of being a client-side person. We'll talk about it later, but you basically refer to yourself as the landlord, which would be interesting. He's an expert view of where we're at on the stadium construction. Hopefully quite a few of you know what this guy does. You're a drone pilot, aren't you, Baz? A geek. But he's also a shareholder, a member of the shareholders association executive committee and stuff like that. And he throws this geeky tech stuff up in the air every now and again. So just a little praise to you first. Perhaps from you, Steve. How did you two get, sorry, these guys know each other and they sort of work together? How did you get together? And then we'll talk about how this man ended up with the drone. What sort of happened was obviously being an avatarian and seeing the other ground developments failed. I was ultra interested in this one, especially its location, one thing or another. What happened was that construction plan was part of the official planning application, but it was hugely complicated. So I decided because I had the time because I'd just retired to put together a 12-slide PowerPoint presentation just because I was getting sick of getting asked generally where it was. And I think it was for Toffee TV. I think it was actually meant to send it to Baz from Toffee. Baz picked it up on the tweet, said, could he have it? And then we started having it. So that was it. It was basically a PowerPoint presentation that brought it all together. That simplified it. And then Baz said, oh, do you mind if I use it for this and that? I said no. And then I said, oh, I pass there most days. And so friends since. And you've been a bit of a double act on Twitter as a consequence, haven't you? Yeah, yeah. Say the least, yeah. Cos I pass, like I did say to John, I do pass it most days anyway. We had the tale which I told you about on the flight to Copenhagen when we were laughed at by a national podcast. Fossi podcast to say there's two avatonians following a dredger about it. Which was, that was me lad who was listening to it. I wasn't listening to it. And he said the other two avatonians are listening. So ever since that, and then obviously something to come out the ground, things that happen in daily, Baz might say, well, what's that in the plan? Cos I actually downloaded just about every document for the application. Yeah, well we've had a bit of beer a couple of times a year ago. There's volumes. And the great thing is now there's a lot more people. Now there's a lot more people taking interest in it. And now somehow get the links to them. Once this is done and dusted, we can work out a way of how people are going to get the links because there is some great information, some great drawings, stuff that we won't want to know about. Cos there's only real sad Anorak types who read everything. Yes, yeah. I had the time which was one thing and we were in lockdown another. And obviously it seemed many failures. So it was good to see this literally come out the ground. So if we substitute sad Anorak who reads everything for geek, right? Just for the avoidance of doubt, it wasn't these two guys following the dredger. It was your drone, wasn't it? Well, no, to be honest, I don't know where Steve downloaded the marine act. There was a marine act that was out there. Oh, and maybe he's tweeting about it. You never set the drone up then? No, no, sorry. When the construction started and obviously the infill and such, I downloaded this marine act. And we were following this dredger called Shoeway and then that actual dredger became famous. You know, the echo started talking about it and stuff like that. But yeah, I think the drone stuff, I mean I was just talking to Baz off camera before. We were talking about to have a come about. And basically what it was, as soon as we got the planning permission and we got the keys to the gates, I just went out, paid to myself the drone and decided I'm going to cover this from day one right until completion. Because you've never flown a drone before? No, no, and to be honest, I was actually... So anyone out there could have done this? It's too late now. To be honest, I was actually shitting myself when I was flying the drone out over the Mersi. I thought if this plummets now, I've got no insurance for it. And to be honest, you've got to sit a test as well. You've got to have a licence to fly a drone. So I sat the test, got the licence. But even so, flying the drone over the Mersi for the first time, it was nerve wracking. But yeah, I've got some functions on the drone where it takes off from. It will be turned to home if you lose signal. You've got that failsafe, but at the same time, even now when I'm flying it now, when I fly over the Mersi, I still think, oh God, if this goes, you're losing a lot of money there. So as I sat down and racked myself on occasions, sitting with any technology and the like, so how much did it cost? Is it the same drone? No, but I upgraded. I've got a DJI Mavic 2 geek to begin with. And then I've upgraded to a Mavic 3, which is a bit more expensive. The first one cost me about £800. And this one's £1,500. Too much money, perhaps? Yeah, too much money to spend. As my Mrs keeps telling me. She keeps reminding you not actually making any money from all this drone footage. And to be fair, because of the following I've got on YouTube now, it's gradually increased from day one. I've got like 2,000 subscribers now. Not as many as toffee TV, but hopefully I'll get there one day. But I've got like 2,000 subscribers. And it's all based on the views you get. And I average between about £60 and £70. So you do make some money? Yeah, I make some money from YouTube. So it's not a great deal. So anyone who's watching, if you don't subscribe, subscribe, make sure you get more money. I'll get more money and it'll pay for me drone. So do you have a plan to, you know, when you fly? I mean, I used to remember you'd be Sunday's and you'd be in the Bramleymoor with a pint. So the weather looks okay. You've done it every week, haven't you? Yeah, I've tried to do it every week. Obviously weather dictates because you can't fly in the rain. You know, electrics and water just don't mix. And really, really strong winds. You can't fly in really strong winds. Round the winter times a bit difficult. And of course, Everton got involved with us then, the drone flyers. As the interest increased, we had more and more drone flyers. Everton got involved and they contacted us and said to us, look, because we've got these four tower cranes up now, we're asking not to fly over the site. To be fair to Everton, they were quite good with us. They said you can carry on flying, stick to the perimeter, but the only lad was to fly on a Sunday. Right, that's where the Sunday came from. That's where the Sunday came from. And it was only two slots on a Sunday. It was early morning, half seven, and then it was an evening one. And I worked shifts, so there was some time I couldn't make the Sunday because I worked four days on four days off. So I couldn't make certain Sundays. So I got in touch with them. I said, look, it's getting really impossible for me to get out there and get me drone up there. I'm going to try and get out there when I can and I'm going to fly safely, and I did. And I think the majority of drone flyers do continue to fly safely over the site. So you're throwing this drone up and seeing what's happening. And Steve's sitting with a big folder saying what should be happening. Does it bring to life what you see in a plan? The first thing I downloaded was just a very simplified construction plan. And just a little paragraph on each. And then the full, you think, well, there's the full one, and then that's a lot thicker. So you just start picking your way through. But what's also become evident was once everyone had said, the clients or the contractor, that they weren't putting the webcam up for security reasons. I did ask, I think at the time, I think it was the fans for them. So they just said security. I thought it didn't affect Tottenham in the middle of London. But I'm not so sure any of the drone thing may have started if we'd have had the webcam. But they'd made that choice, and that's fine. So obviously Baz and a few of the others have picked up on that. They must have a static somewhere for a time lapse in the future. They have got a static. I've never understood because what amazed me was, I did say to her, especially in the early days. You couldn't have been getting your money, Baz? When there was a view to be had before the sorts of east elevation went up. I met one of the guys who, although he's retired at the same time as me, he still works at the tunnels. And he does the tours there. And he said, why haven't they got the tours reports of Kevin's down here and given people basic little talks as to what will happen. Only basic stuff. Because I said, there is a lot of interest. I said, because I even sent a lot of the stuff to friends abroad. I even read abroad. I said, can you send us that? Just people who were genuinely interested and a bit nerdy, if you like. And so I sent it across to Australia, Dubai, America. And from there they were forwarded on. So the interest you could see growing and growing and growing. The problem is we haven't got access to the main problem. That's confidential between the clients and the contractor. Of the detail of the works. But principally a lot of the things say the same. In nine stages though, won't it? Yeah, there are. There are technically there are 12 phases with the documents. Milestones almost. Yeah, and what will happen is some will cross over. You know, when things may speed up one side. And the other thing that was interesting was, because it's a sort of new technology, we've seen the bin, the computerized stuff we've used. Whereas if you were, and it was a great little bit, but it was only two or three minutes from ever. Which was how they were building it twice. In other words, digitally and then physically. And some of the stuff where it said, well, if you want a price for a job, you can actually just put your bid onto the software. And then it's far easier, less errors. Even the concrete, the steels were coming with the holes for the cable runs. There's a question there, because it seems a bit daft to me anyway, because I'm just a nevitonian in this. Like you guys are, right? Those, you know, season ticker holders and everything. But it's like we had world class pre-planning approval consultation. We've heard very recently, perhaps we can talk about it later, about when the thing's going to be finished and whether we go in at the end of partway through a season or the start of the next season or all that sort of stuff. And no doubt from a consultation point of view, if that's done, it will be done very well. And yet really shallow engagement in between. There's something that's so important to so many people. It's not even once in a lifetime, is it? It's bigger than that. And that was what I couldn't really... I don't know whether it was just a call, but nobody would be interested. But I was astonished because, I mean, the amounts of times I've met that from day one and especially when the call, four calls, started coming above ground level, it just amazed me. They were just like, how come they haven't got a little presence down here? Just some, even volunteer. Like myself, who was retired, who was more than willing as a willing horse to have a couple of porter cabins in that little car park opposite. If you've got any questions here, I'll get them answered. Just a bit of a link. I didn't have to go... Why? Sorry. I'll shut this off in a minute. We sound too negative, but I just think there's missed opportunity. Yes, absolutely. Because Lango Rourke must be really proud of the work they're doing at the moment. It's phenomenal. Because the innovation they've got into the construction. I mean, it's going to be a case study, isn't it? Yes. All the future bills, not just stadia, but clearly, it's going to be a real... Go and see how you do it, right? Difficult sites, difficult conditions, because it's on a waterfront, all that sort of stuff. So I would expect that, undoubtedly, they'll almost have it in their CV. So they must have content, but just that much of CV. Yes, it's just been a... It's a shame. Exactly right, a missed opportunity. Lans, they may well be passing it around the industry. But what I'm saying is, from the Everton side, every time we went down to Brownlee more, or if I went with one of the other guys. So I would think you'd have a bit more. And when I went with my colleagues, even more into the construction, I was only really very much on a periphery when I more in the operational, as it was coming towards practical completion in our building. But even they were saying, you think you'd have somebody down there? Even if it's just to get questions, and then can we set that up on a little bit of a web page? There was nothing. I did send a big, long email and another guy was talking, so he said, he said, oh, you don't really want, you're asking them type of questions. What's the capacity of each stand? You're going to have to tell that somebody's going to know. I remember adding it up myself. Yeah, exactly. It was all stuff that, again, I mean, as it is now, they've sent a lot of the building things to schools, haven't they? They've done an open presentation to schools finally. But even for guys who were at uni, anything, you know, taking whatever, whether it be a QS degree or actual fully construction degree, you know, the great thing, you're taking all them apprentices on. But you've got to dig for it all. It's a shame, but, you know, the fact that whoever, be it the construction firm or the client or both, chose not to engage and show stuff means we get people like you instead. To be honest, John, I mean, I was a little bit critical of everything to start because we were throwing our drones up and we were obviously covering the build and it took Everton quite a bit of time to catch up with that. Cos they do it now, yeah. They're doing it now and they're doing it on a regular basis and they're doing a really good job of it. But they were playing, they were playing catch up a few months before they started doing their own drone footage. And I think ourselves throwing the drones up there and putting the footage out on YouTube and on Twitter and on social media, I think that prompted Everton to do the same because they thought, we're missing out on a massive audience because people are really interested in this. And as Steve was saying, I don't think Everton realised how big the interest was in this stadium. Not just Everton as well. That's not likely, that's people who work in the industry, people who've got just genuine interest in that type of thing. But as I say, one of the guys, he was like, do you know what, we could go upstairs in the family more and we could get an engineer over once every three months, charge him two quid or a five and give it to Everton in the community. You could never seem to get through, you also said the fab. But unless you've got a little bit of a nouse about it, it's like if you decide, security either been proven, just for a legit one. Let's not go with security, we've got issues with security. I think the football club generally is cautious. The good news story is that this thing is rising out of the dock, just like Dan Mee's visualised. Pretty soon when the external bits are done, it'll look like it's been there forever. We forget, and I think some of your drone stuff is great because you go, I think you've done something recently, haven't you? I think it might have been the club actually. What difference are you making? And we forget how short a time it's physically been in progress. But we do not forget, because we can see it, is the great progress that's being made. Obviously we've just had a decent winter, but they're using the innovation about offsite fabrications. That's all the stuff the industry will be interested in, isn't it? Bringing it to site, sticking it up, all that sort of stuff. There's a main article of one of the main constructions. Well, there you go. You talk about whether there's an audience. I'm not a construction guy. I don't relate to construction people like you. I don't read all these plans about when is really pipes going in, or when's a girder turning up with a hole already drilled in it, so you're just bolting it. It's an assembly exercise as much as a construction exercise. But I'd still be fascinated by it. We all watch those documentaries on TV about the building of this building, or this bridge, or whatever. So hopefully one of those will come out in the future. But to me, it derisks it in construction terms. So where do you think we are now in the... If you were thinking, well, I've only got the high level plan, which, you knew this question was coming, right? But perhaps should we be, and where do you think we are, and how optimistic are you around when it's going to be finished? I mean, the original Bill did say 36, 37 months of any of the documents. Now of course, but we went and haven't been involved and not seen anything that that may have been... Well, hang on a minute. Can we agree to force? We don't know because we weren't there. Once that planning goes in between the clients, it's up to you. So let's do an illustration, sorry, just in broad brush terms, right? So if it was 36, because that's nice and tidy, isn't it? It's, you know, it's years. What would be the first day? When did the clock start? July 26, wasn't it? What year? 2001. Right. So when should it be finished then if it's three years? Well, it was three years. It's July 26, 2024. Three years later? 2024. Yeah. So there's the optimistic bit, right? Yeah. And again, because you're the guy, I can show us what's really happening, but if you like, it's almost like you can look at plans high-level ones granted, say where should we be up to, right? Where we should be up to is just one of those things. It's affected by weather, it's affected by supply, sourcing and all that sort of stuff. But we're told, aren't we, that it's... We're on schedule. We're on schedule. So if we're on schedule to finish it in the summer of 2024, why would we think it's actually the end of 2024? Maybe some... Does that three years not include tests? I thought it did, because it does say in the original construction plan, commission and testing. So the last of things in that three-year plan of your like was, would be test events and all the things you have to do for safety licensing and all that. The only thing I can think of is give themselves a bit more time and the devil in the detail when everything's been signed is they may have said we'll agree on 35. 37, 38, whatever. It must be because that's what's in the plan. So you think, oh, that's what it is. But obviously with the recent statements. But to be honest, again, just from a fan's point of view, I think they've done perfectly the right thing. We spoke about Colin Chang before and coming out and saying it's a bit too early now to absolutely fine. We spoke at Topman three times, they were delayed. And it all delayed on a system of the fire system. I'm fond of when we're talking about business stuff sometimes saying that people don't know what they don't know and therefore you do have to express some caution. I mean, we were talking before Baz and we because we had sausage buttees and stuff before we started, right? And I think we all agreed and your lad's here as well and he agreed as well and no doubt Baz and Edward they'd heard us which is it's understandable to talk to the fans and not give the earliest time of arrival give the last time of arrival. But what do you think about how it's been expressed? Because I think it came across as negative personally when it could have come across as positive. Leave us alone lad until the other side of winter. But you fly a thing in the winter so you know it. It's definitely a cautious approach from Evan's point of view isn't it? I think it's fair enough to be consistent to be honest. My own personal opinion I think it's slightly ahead whether it'll be I've heard from sources that we're looking earlier than the dates that's being mentioned of December 2024. You keep hearing this other thing don't we? The back end or when's the back end? So to be fair to say what they've said what do you mean by back end? Oh back end of the year. I think you said it recently that could be September. Of course of course that's the thing. Now fully understand that until you got into where you are absolutely pretty much that unless there's a last minute glitch during commissioning when that may have a commence that I personally would have liked to have just heard him say on February 24 when the winter's been gone because we could have a wild and woolly winter and it could hold all kinds up for all winter. We don't know and it's right to take that approach but I just thought it was just a little bit more and said we'll review the situation and feed back to you by end of Feb 2024. See I've spoken in the past and it clearly because of the various things going on particularly around the club going into silent running for like six months or whatever and still in the bunkers until the board decided what they were doing but prior to well prior to that I had some really good chattric on it he was a really good guy and that's what he'd say privately he'd say listen we can be optimistic but it's all well and good with three months ahead and then something happens that makes us come back to plan and we get beaten up for being late and anyone out there who runs a project because you've got project management background and stuff you know that things ebb and flow and so you have what I would call like a critical path and those critical path items which are the real important things like on the critical path will be putting the roof on, things like that because that starts getting a bit more watertight more of your work is just being done indoors less impacted by the weather blah blah blah but I'm assuming there's going to be a crossover point where A, your drone won't see much other than a very pretty building but also those people sort of in the know who work in the industry might subconsciously or even they go public think I'm going to there's now a bit of credibility challenge here between saying it's not going to be ready for six months say you know in the last six months when everyone can see that running test events on it you know what I mean so we must be getting close to a period when you actually get a date that you think that's now within our control and I think what you're saying I'm just playing the viewers all of you like come February the construction companies should know the weather is less likely now to be an issue for them and so they can have a more accurate view when they'll be finished so let's stop hassling them I think a good indication will come from Everton themselves round about the December period because isn't that the time where they put out the prices for the new season tickets so that could be a good indication of where we are it's easy to say we're at Goodison it's this we're probably more it's that they've got to agree on if we're going to move mid-season is it going to be structured in a way that three months at Goodison Park and the rest they haven't stayed in how are they going to restructure that the way they pay for it's an interesting one and you know again you talk to people within the club and I've spoken to people in the club in and around the commercial or the marketing and teams and stuff like that and I think we should already have been talking about ticketing and things clearly they quite rightly have focused on the people who are going to pay most which is to get you know wet signatures on the bottom of contracts to do with all the fancy hospitality and all that sort of stuff but again it's going to be an emotional event and part of that emotion is where am I going to be? I sit at the park end, you sit at the park end where do you sit? oh we're all park end where the Al Dads are but you know we might be saying well the equivalent of the park end in the new stadium is the north stand but I want to go in the south stand because that's where everyone wants to get so put the prices up for the north stand because demand is going to exceed supply because I've applied I've asked my lad who went to Sheffield Union one of his mates is a Tottenham fan and obviously they went and they went with five games to go and I do know they handed a document that said this is what will happen and on the test event when they left 6,000 the only the first test event they only allowed 6,000 and then they went to a full capacity one but they were basically put in the equivalent seat in the new ground we've got any contacts to the guys here to see exactly but that's what I'm led to believe so my seat now that doesn't give me a choice to sit by me lad at anything still it just says you're there now is that you mentioned it to Frank McCannar on the last chat you said it was way too early my thing again I've got one with criticism when is it going to be just tell us it's not it's never too early I don't know I think it's a hard one because we've had many years if not decades very simplistically and this is not really about stadiums about the relationship between the fan base and the football club is there's been either for a while because you mistrust between the two so let's think of it from the club side which ultimately is people fearful back to Elstons days fearful of saying the wrong thing fearful of saying it will be ready then and then it isn't until you get beaten up for it all those sorts of things so it's almost like they don't feel that they can trust us to trust them to give us some not totally formed ideas if you want to do consultation with the fan base do consultation around where do you want to sit how many seats do you want together but the problem with asking those apparently simple questions is you might set an expectation that Baz and his 15 mates are all going to sit together because you're asking him but he might not I've got me and my missus sit side by side so you would expect in the new stadium but my granddaughter is over there and she's in the queue with the following wind I want four seats and I want them all together well the mechanism has to be even if you start with the Tottenham example John, Theresa that's their your too and there's your other one and there's your other one now we have to have a mechanism for how you try and get them together and I know Pedd has an idea which is in the first season at Bramleymore we only have the same number of season ticket holders as we have a Goodison all the season ticket holders get first dibs on where they want to sit but even that's flawed because you'll have people on the south stand who potentially pay top dollars to be in the same seat every single game in that first season and then get told there's no spec for them because all 32,000 want to go in there so they're damned if they do and they're damned if they don't so to my mind as soon as you start trying to explore what people think they want because our ideas will change as fans as well you know people might suddenly decide oh I didn't realise that the bottom 10,000 on that stand we're all going to have to stand up I've changed my mind I don't want to go in there now so there's all those sorts of things but they're the positive stories and this is what helps the fan base right when you get to the bit we're starting to talk about where we're going to sit that's when it's real where do you want to sit myself personally I want to sit and I want to go on the southeast corner which is going to be the fan zone towards the home end that's where I fancy looking behind you classify the park end it's a wrong stand but pretend that's the south stand you want to be where the end is up there so you want to be now whether I get that opportunity or price might dictate or real life you want to be in by the church in the current stage with the south stand on your hand all comes down to cost on a price I mean those numbers must all be known really you can project them there may be some bill shock for us as fans but even my tightest mates they're going to have to pay more without a doubt I can say going up my own personal opinion I think the cheapest ones are going to be between £750 and £800 but we'll have a magnificent stadium and we just need a magnificent team so how long do you think you're going to be flying drones for them well my plan is to the end of the completion of the stadium and then I might look at doing the goodness and legacy as well because the completion of the stadium at what point will it become he can't actually see anything because all it's done the last bit I think of the house when do you think that might be he's more optimistic than I and that last tree is planted all eyes for you over me you want the bricks and the granites to go with and the railway lines back in so the public plaza without looking back that's the fans zone isn't it the landscape all that stuff is the last bit to be done so the thing with that is it's weird depending on when they do test events when they open the building with some of that cordoned off do they want to wait till the whole shooting matches you know what I'm looking forward to some drone footage and mate if you can convince them to let you excuse me let you do it it'd be fab but I want to see almost like an eye level drone in the fans zone and around the tower and perhaps the because when the shell association got to go and look around the site we're trying to organise another one so you're not a member of the association otherwise you won't be on the list the bottom of the south stand obviously wasn't much there just girders but with my own phone I just took just went like that and the roof wasn't on it but it was tall then and then the roof going on adds another 30 or 40 feet with some of those angles because everything's been looking down hasn't it coming across the dock to the south stand and then coming up and perhaps going over and all those sorts of things I suspect they won't let you do that so please go and ask and just flying around the fans zone because it's going to be huge it's going to be huge for anybody who's not been who watches and has not been down I would suggest they do and to get an idea of perspective as you were saying scale I'll give the guys I don't know if you've been the docklands trail Collingwood dock next door it's gang of volunteers and it's the history of the docks they built a little scaffolding Gladys Street stand and they just asked for a little donation Is that the thing that you can go down? Is it a Wednesday? Wednesday and Sunday and it's at Docklands trail and I've said to Les and any that had mentioned it so they've had the plug so it's at Docklands trail but to give you an idea a proper idea because there's only then the staff car park and then the south stand there's a lot of stuff we'd have and they'd probably want to hold stuff back for the wow factor but like we say there is a lot of stuff out there on the links we'll sort out because for example there someone always says where's the infrastructure for the buses somebody said infrastructure for what there's going to be hard road closures around there's going to be shuttle buses going in new taxi ranks limited parking that's the match day transport document done by Matt McDonald because I was still in our place so that's three years ago that went in as the official event for the planning and I know because just before I left they come into my director's office so I knew it was all under way and the wind mitigation test because we were there seeing stories they come in to do vent tests as well but so there's a lot of stuff out there but it's just knowing where to find but I think people like to consume stuff just by chatting so I know you've got to get away so if we wrap up with a couple of things one is will you come back again the other thing is if we get an opportunity people will put some of your drone footage in this I know you're talking about trying to put some of your artifacts of your will where there can be links to them even when you're ready we'll promote them for you it's just so now it will be you're now going away from it is it going to happen to it's happening well are we going to get the match people are thinking that nothing's been looked into now for example all our websites were saying Liverpool Waters there's a hotel been approved further down Sandills Lane and again these are just useful sites Liverpool Business Daily Place Northwest Liverpool Waters websites they're just handy and if you put the notifications on there's something about Bramley Mo and that's what's going to happen you're going to get more and more of it and like I say there buses, taxis, the big one which again there's been public consultations they need to be logging into getting notifications of Liverpool City for the likes of the car park because people are saying there's no parking down there well there's a 329 parking space just running 150 yards away behind the site plenty of opportunity to be positive you guys are doing your damnness to fill the void we'll put the trail in the notes to this video so they can have that advert make sure they know that you did it and we'll leave it there if that's okay didn't you want to discuss about opinions on when we should move in this is all the formal bit let's finish with the pseudo provocative bit about where you stand I'll set the scenario the stadium is not completely finished and ready to use post test events and all those sorts of things for the start of season 24-25 so I know what your answer is going to be so I'll go with you first and Steve can think of this when would you move in I would move in as soon as we get them keys we get to go ahead from Lang we've done all the test events and get in there if it's sitting there just say for instance if it's finished worst case in my opinion December 24 and we have to wait until August 25 before we play our first game in there and it's sitting there gathering dust for nearly eight months doesn't make sense get in there as soon as possible and if we need to do our big goodbyes the grand old lady any time I did like your idea that if we do it other than with a live Premier League game there would be no opposition fans there another three, three and half thousand where are you at on this stage my whole thing when it first was moot or Colin gave the statement Colin Chang gave the statement the other week was if you do it the big thing that's going to happen obviously in the next we'd like to think of the next month or so is a change of direction in the board literally with what probably will be a new chief executive and a lot I mean I say there's no emotive right or wrong with this decision you know it is opinions only my thing I done a quick simple maths test for example and every game I've had on in there just on 50 pound of tickets is just on 700 grand that's without any hospitality any bar takes any revenue so purely that alone and this thing of we can't Topman moved in with five games to go and would have gone in earlier only for their electricals I mean if it's not safe to go in we can't go in if it's ready and things like I think what I thought a lot of people were worried about people have said to me well what about Evanton the migration team should be done should be in place now and looking at both scenarios because if I was a new chief executive and may have put another 175 million into Evanton the active chief executive to me were not going in for emotional reasons because I'd won a hard fast business cases so this is why we are or this is why we're not that's a great sitting on the right go as soon as make sure you're obviously prepared and I think that's the thing as soon as you say to go that's Evanton but it mightn't be Evanton there might be an Evanton leading it surely we're not the first because we know about Tottenham but there may be others I'm not going to sit on the fence at all I see no logical reasons why we wouldn't go into a brand spanking new stadium that one hopes is going to minimally double our match day income and why we would leave it empty and to give due respect to Colin we will finish like this otherwise you will miss your appointment give due respect to Colin he made it clear in whoever wrote the statement anyway he made it clear that it won't be an emotional decision therefore it will be the things you said it's truly objective and if it's truly objective get in as soon as it's ready and if it's not it's not so with that thanks for watching all the things we said about will be in the notes afterwards be really interested with your comments about where you stand on this go as soon as it's ready this is going at the start of a season ie the next season after it's ready of course all this could be fixed by just making sure it's physically ready for the start of 24-25 and you never know thanks a lot and take care