 But I would say I'm not afraid of dying. I'm just afraid of not living because ultimately as an atheist I don't believe there's anything after death because I don't see good enough evidence for it done to save them Get in there that's not your handshake in America. All right, let me reset the camera Yeah Okay, if I'm not gonna say anything that crazy I just just my preference, okay Um, I I normally don't mind having the cover doing a non-recorded talk, but since it came all the way over here I'd like to do more recorder talks would be cool. They're just stuck with that Do you have anything in mind you want to talk about literally anything you wanted to talk about for like five minutes? Okay Would you mind if I kept the recorded it? It's it's yeah, what purposes are you using it for? I'm trying to show that there's value to a face-to-face communication Compared to like text on the phone Medium Facebook Messenger and stuff like that that there's value in face-to-face I respect that that there's ways to have two conversations about anything with anyone regardless of what they look like the Beatles backgrounds Whatever biochemistry. Yeah, and so I go to parks and I go to campuses and I just set up a table I think it's really nice contrast between what that guy's doing over there That's exactly what's going on here. That's what was my on my mind here was and I'm not a part of any Yeah, I'm really just trying to have a conversation with someone in a cordial way How effective do you think that? Obviously you've got a you've got a pretty solid opinion on this But how effective do you think it is for them to be for their method of information persuasion, which is Primarily yelling primarily Accusational I think some people buy into the confidence to be perfectly honest with you But it's not very much, but it's so cheap for them to do that that it's worth it Mitchell I'm having a five-minute chat I was I was studying for my P. Chem exam for a couple hours, and then I went back to that for a few minutes Yeah, it seems like a real good, but do you want to try it? Yeah, okay cool And you don't mind just to chat about anything and you don't mind for a cord, right? That's fine Okay, so hi. I'm Ty Eric again Eric again Eric Eric's so So that guy is over there would you mind if we had a chat about something that you strongly believe is true or something You know you can't be wrong about There's nothing. I know I can't be wrong about who that's great We could we could we could have a discussion about that in itself Is there is there anything? What's the most thing that you're absolutely sure about what's closest to absolute sure? I Think the thing that I would be closest to being absolutely sure which is what supports my belief of nothing being above Suspicion or above argument above discussion would be that belief in itself, which is I'm absolutely sure that the most effective way that I can build up my belief system to be The best that it can be obviously that's subjective. Okay is to allow it to be open to Any reasonable criticism or argument and to always be questioning it. Are you even a hundred percent about that? Yeah, you're a hundred percent confident about that or as close as I can get okay, okay, because it would be because Ultimately, yeah, ultimately if somebody Ultimately if somebody, you know, if I if I converted to some religion and I was 100% confident that then it would be You know impossible for me. There are some people who are very confident about like for example a guy's this thing Yeah, what is it doesn't bother me? It's just when people are so confident in their beliefs that they're unwilling to Unwilling to put to put logical reason against it because in my opinion, that's when I didn't start the timer I'm so sorry, and you can get up anytime you want. It's good in that opinion That's when it becomes a danger to a potential danger to society and other people. Okay Why is it a danger? Is it I'm gonna fill something out here. Is it because their actions are informed by their beliefs? So if they have close by necessarily, okay, why? Where's the danger? The danger is because when you are so certain of any belief I mean religious or otherwise literally any belief That you would not question it for any reason then there are In holy books do a you know are have an outsized effect in this there are plenty of violent and violent phrases and verses and Every holy book that I've read this far which advocate all sorts of terrible things against people And so if you're not willing to question your beliefs for anything Then you might come up across that verse and say if I truly want to be to want to want to follow my beliefs that I Honestly believe a hundred percent that question The only way for me to do that is to hurt somebody else. Mm-hmm. That's why it becomes dangerous Eric Can I throw something out at you sure if I would present to you a holy book for the religion and I normally always ask Very gentle But if I Know a holy book that had zero violence in it whatsoever It was all about peace and love and how our God wants you to have peace and love blah blah blah Would that confirm to you that the books true? That there is no violence in that book as Does something not being violent make it more true? No, I mean there's there's plenty of violent things that are true. So what's what's your limit? What's your limit for determining if something is true compared to if something's not true? There is no perfect Metric it's that's that's why I always go back to that Rule or belief or whatever of questioning it. I like it because You know, I mean I if there was a book that was truly that great Then I I could say I would say I could I could believe in it to the point of belief sure But it wouldn't really be belief because it would be verified and Always under always never a never above question I'm gonna throw out some of the things that I heard since I started setting up here I heard that there were some people who believe that it's true using faith Does faith have any value to you as far as a determining mechanism of something's true or not true? Not really Because I see faith is contrary to To verify to do to do to verifying something and that's not to say that I don't know what do you mean by that? to to have faith in something Means that you Trust without verification, right most likely. I think it's reasonable definition. Yeah, and so although I certainly have Confidence and see faith could be a faith would be a reasonable word Like I have faith in my parent in the in the consistency of my parents to look out for what's best for me as they see Right. Yeah, I may disagree with them But I still I still trust and see that's where I think faith is a little bit of a testy word because it has so many negative logical connotations to me that I Resist using it. Mmm. Although if it was defined in a context where you just it just means you're putting your belief in someone Pass which you can immediately verify. I get it So I don't know everything that goes on my on my parents mind But I still faith or have faith or trust that they're have to have my best interests Can I throw up? Go for it. Are you currently convinced of any God claim? No, I Don't think there's good enough evidence for it is an atheist a good way of this finding what your position is that right now Yeah, okay. Okay. I'm one too. It's not a big deal Are you scared of hell? No, I mean And another just you know side side point sure, but I would say I've never been not never. That's not sure. I used to be religious I'm religious and my journey towards being atheist actually was in a pursuit of yeah Religion and I'm still on that track right now. Yeah But I would say I'm not afraid of dying I'm just afraid of not living because ultimately as an atheist I don't believe there's anything after death because I don't see good enough evidence for it That's to say that I know it won't have anything I don't have any good reason Somebody presents the evidence for God that I would I would absolutely be I would I would change my belief right then But I may not worship it, but I may not worship that God there definitely at least be open that yeah that God's true because I mean there's certain very difficult I mean impossible things to reconcile in my mind which is if there's an all-powerful God which is How could an all-powerful God so our childhood cancer and if and if he does yeah Is he really worthy of worship right? You know my big issues there as an atheist talking another atheist I find that a lot of people use substandard methods to come to the high confidence that their God exists but Ultimately their faith isn't justified because they have unreliable methods of supporting it on faith and stuff I'm wondering I noticed that before we were talking there was some apprehension Especially with regard to like recording. What was that based on? It's based on I would say a lack of trust in a stranger kind of Okay, not that I inherently Have any problem with a random person but to allow you to record gives you some power over what I've said here I totally understand and so it's entirely possible that something could be taken out of context and misinterpreted Sure, or even that I said something that was unreasonable, and then maybe I changed my mind after Afterwards I can tell you right now if you take a card and you email me or text me and say actually I didn't really like that interview We did we want to take it off the internet. I'd be totally open to doing that Yeah But I just I am really interested in how this table looks like to many different kinds of people Yeah, it surprisingly attracts a lot of different kinds of people and I try to make it as least assuming as possible I would say why it was attractive to me Not that that was necessarily a question talking in general so was because I Find their Rantings as I would call it. I'm using sure but I don't really I don't really appreciate when people rise to the bait and yell because some people do Some people really are you know their barriers are low enough or weak enough that they really can get passing and emotionally hurt someone just by yelling And so that's true. That's when it kind of bothers me because some people we all back back at them and My my view of arguments is if you start yelling you've already lost the argument And so their entire purpose to me as in like how how they wish to convert people is to It's just it's just loud and not necessarily through logical consistency Sure And so if you rise to the bait, then they've already kind of lost because you're not Not like thinking about it but that yelling platform is a territory They're much more comfortable and that's fair and even though it appears that they're ranting. They are very much more Now guided by intuition because they're so comfortable in that environment Whereas the other ones more or less guided by emotion, which makes actually be persuasion by rhetoric much more easy to do And it's interesting and Ironic in a sad way that on a college campus Well, people would people would be so enticed to that. I understand what you mean But this is a free speech area. I think I'm we're all exercising our right, right I just mean because as a place of higher learning our goal is to put behind our Rational ways, whatever they be not necessarily believe no But just put behind a rational beliefs and rise to somewhere something more logical and that's decisive. Yeah Yeah, and something that can further The well as an engineer a lot of some things are decisive, but but I'm here too chemical engineering. Yeah, same. Okay. Hey But right rise to something that's you know Greater and I realize that subjective but something that's not as privy or as likely To just to have these random yelling arguments about sure. Yeah Hey, I did as well. You got a study. I really do Don't let me just This calmed me down So cool, cool. All right, see it So if you I'm always here what I am Do you have enough conclusive evidence to get you to 98% that God exists I really appreciate this. Thank you. Yeah