 All right, good morning, everyone. Welcome. And thank you for connecting to this Thursday mentoring hour. Okay, you know, does the mentoring are we just have an open time for question answers discussion, sharing so that we could learn from each other and learn through the times of discussion. And interaction that we have. Thank you so much for connecting. So we're going to pray, then they're going to get into our time of discussion and interaction. Okay, who'd like to lead today, Russian or Paul. One of you will, but either of you like to. I'll do it. Okay. Okay, great. Yeah, so as a Russian will be our host today. He will coordinate all the questions and discussions and of course everybody is welcome to participate and contribute towards the discussions. Let's pray and we will get started. Maybe Prabhakar, could you please lead us in prayer and then pass Russian will take up from there. Sure, Pastor. Thank you. Praise Lord, hallelujah, hallelujah, hallelujah. Our dear heavenly Father, we praise you. We acknowledge your holy name. We excel to Father. We thank you for this wonderful opportunity at this moment. Yeah, team gathered father for the supernatural are discussions and interactions for these leaders are into a beautiful journey father, so that we can interact and learn from each other father. Holy Spirit, we welcome you to guide us throughout the way father from the beginning to the end each moment shall be enriching and blessed in Holy Spirit experience. Bless each and every member of our team father and those who are coming let them and father in time so that we can have a wonderful session. I dedicate this time and all glory and thanksgiving to your holy name. And I ask this prayer and the name of our Lord Jesus Christ. Amen. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you, thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Good morning, everybody. Welcome to weekly mentoring hour. So we'll take time to answer any questions, even share on any of the topics of leadership, discipleship, growing, growing spiritually, some of the spiritual disciplines, habits, any questions that you might have, please shoot. As you all know, we have the most wonderful panel of teachers. And so, yeah, just go for it. Okay. Shani, yes. I see you've raised your hand. Go ahead, please. Yes. So I'm asking this question because some of my family asked me this question. I can answer it. So I was asked who created God. Okay. I don't know the answer to that. All right. Okay, Shani. Thank you for that question. So the question is who created God? Right. Who would like to go for that? Yeah. So, yeah, Shani. Nobody, you know, so God is self-existent. That means he never had a beginning. The Bible tells us from everlasting to everlasting. I think there's a Psalm 90 in verse two. It says from everlasting, yeah, Psalm 90, verse two. Of course, there are many scriptures on this, but Psalm 90 verse two says from everlasting to everlasting, you are God. So the God of the Bible is an eternal self-existent being. So he doesn't depend on anybody else for his existence, because if anybody created God, then that being would be God. You know, so the answer is straightforward. The Bible is telling us that God is the eternal self-existent God who never had a beginning. It's from eternity to eternity. Now, we people think in terms of time. So we have a beginning. We have an ending. So a lot of our thinking is with respect to time. A lot of what we do is with respect to time. But we have to stretch our mind to think of God, of the being God who doesn't have time. He always is. So the answer is nobody created God. He's an eternal self-existent being who doesn't depend on anybody else. Okay. Thank you. Thank you, Pastor Ashish. Thank you, Shani, for the question. So we go to the next question that's from John Paul. The question is from 2 Thessalonians chapter 2 verse 3 to 7. Okay. The first question is the apostasy mentioned here. All right. Actually, let's just read the scriptures. 2 Thessalonians chapter 2 verse 3 to 7. Okay. So it says I'm reading from the NLT version. Don't be fooled by what they say. Hey, John, should I read from the NLT or is there a specific version? Either is fine. I was using NASB, but I think either is fine. Okay. Let me also get NASB then. I'll be on the same page. Just one second. All right. 2 Thessalonians chapter 2 verse 3 to 7 from the NASB version says, No one is to deceive you in any way for it will not come unless the apostasy comes first and the man of lawlessness is revealed. No destruction was for who opposes and exalts himself above every so-called God or object of worship so that he takes his seat in the temple of God displaying himself as being God was fine. You do not remember that while I was still with you. I was telling you these things verse 6 and you know what restrains him now so that he will be revealed in his time for the mystery of lawlessness is already at work. Only he who now restrains will do so until he is removed. So let me read the verse 3 again. No one is to deceive you in any way for it will not come unless apostasy comes first and the man of lawlessness is revealed, the son of destruction who opposes and exalts himself above every so-called God or object. Okay. So the first question there is the apostasy mentioned here is to occur before the rapture or after seven year tribulation. Can we address that first question? Please. Yeah. Okay. So John. So Paul is writing to us here about the coming of this man of perdition. We know him as the Antichrist and you know when he will come and so on. Right. And he says this man will come. He's going to exalt himself above all that's God. He's going to be in the temple of God and so on. And then he verse seven he says this mystery of lawlessness already at work. Only he who restrains will do so until he is taken out of the way. Now, of course, Paul is writing and with, you know, he's writing here and with him is the the prophecies of the Old Testament. So the reference here, of course, is Daniel chapter nine and verse 27 where he talks about that Daniel has spoken about the man of sin, perdition and so on. So the sequence of it as well, let me answer for seven. I'll answer the second question first, which is the verse seven, you know, what, what is he referring to? He who restrains. So many people say, you know, say he is about the Holy Spirit. But actually, if you look at it, he has to be the church, not the Holy Spirit. Reason being throughout the book of Revelation, the Holy Spirit is still on earth, working on earth. So the Holy Spirit is not taken out of the earth. The spirit of God is working throughout the tribulation here on earth. So many reasons. Daniel's Revelation chapter seven talks about 144,000 Jews who are sealed by the Holy Spirit. Throughout the book of Revelation, we have people who have testimony to Jesus Christ. Well, and Revelation 19, 11 talks about that the testimony is the spirit of prophecy. So the Holy Spirit. Also, Zechariah chapter 12 talks about the last day outpouring of the Holy Spirit, which affects the entire nation of Israel. So there will be the outpouring of the Holy Spirit taking place during the tribulation. So the only option we have for verse two of seven, the he who restrains is the church. The church will be taken out of the way. The Holy Spirit is going to continue working during the tribulation period here on earth. Like I mentioned, there are many references to the work of the Holy Spirit. People are going to be saved during the time of the tribulation and you cannot be saved apart from the Holy Spirit. People are going to be proclaiming the gospel and you cannot proclaim the gospel apart from the Holy Spirit. So all these reasons indicate that the Holy Spirit is going to be very much here on the earth working through the people during the tribulation. Now a problem that many people have with verse seven is it's using the masculine pronoun he. But remember the church is not only called the bride of Christ, but also the body of Christ, which is masculine. So it's perfectly fine to use the masculine pronoun he to refer to the church in as much as the feminine pronoun bride is used to refer to the church. So that's the contradiction there. There's not a problem there. So to answer your question, verse seven, it is the church. And then there are many other reasons why we can substantiate the statement that the church is taken out of the way before the beginning of the seven year tribulation. So that then helps us understand the preceding verses. So what exactly is going to happen? The church will be taken out of the way. Then the man of sin will be revealed, right? Lawlessness is already at work. The spirit of antichrist is already at work. But once verse seven happens, the church is taken out of the way, then the man of perdition comes. And then if you study the, you know, of course we will have this course in your second year on the end times. And also the third year you will study revelation, Daniel in detail, but the sequence of events is, you know, the antichrist appears as a man of peace. So Revelation chapter six verse one, he comes riding on a white horse. That means he comes as a man of peace. Daniel nine twenty seven, he confirms a covenant of peace. So he comes as a man of peace with the solution for the Middle East. But in the middle of the seven year tribulation, again, Daniel nine twenty seven talks about it. Revelation eleven one talks about it. That in the middle of the tribulation, which is at the end of the first three and a half years, he breaks his covenant. He sets himself up in the temple of God and he desecrates the temple. So that is what is being spoken of in the preceding verses here. Is that okay? Yes. Thanks. Thank you. Thanks John for that question. As I was saying more on that in the second year eschatology course and Revelation and Daniels in the final year. Okay, let's move on to the next question we have is from Kiran. Hebrews chapter two verse two. Can we explain? Okay. All right. So I'm going to read Hebrews chapter two verse one and two for context. Okay. The heading of this chapter says a warning against drifting away. So here we go. So we must listen very carefully to the truth we have heard and so we may drift away or we may drift away from it. For the message God delivered through angels has always stood firm and every violation of the law and every act of disobedience was punished. Okay. Kiran also is there anything in specific that you're looking for from this verse? All right. Can someone respond to Hebrews chapter two verse two please? Anybody? Pastor Nancy, would you like to go at it? Yes. Thank you. So here in this verse we are told that we must give give heed to what has been what has been revealed to us, what has been given to us much more. And then if you look at the context like Hebrews chapter one basically talks about the Lord Jesus and how he is the exact representation of the father and you know all that he brings and his deity. So what the writer of the Hebrews is saying is that when people gave so much of importance to the law of Moses which was considered to be handed by angels he is just bringing our attention and our focus to what the Lord Jesus brings and the new covenant that he is the author of and that we must give more attention to that. So yeah, that's what I would like to share and yeah anyone else I hope I'm correct and I'm answering Kiran's question. Thank you, Pastor Nancy. Thank you. Just one thought here. I think Kiran maybe what's confusing is the word angels, right? For if the word spoken through angels you know the source like hey did angels give us the word of God? That's not true. You just have to look up to Greek. The Greek word the angels is angelos which simply means messengers. It's a generic word that's used both for human messengers as well as for angels. It just happened to be translated here in the kingdoms as angels. But really what he's referring to is the word spoken through messengers meaning God's messengers not angelic beings but God's messengers. So like Nancy said he's referring to the entire Old Testament the Old Testament scriptures but it's given to us through messengers of God not angels but basically saying look this word given to us like the rest of the explanation is exactly what Pastor Nancy said. I just wanted to clarify that word angels. So okay. Thank you Pastor Ashish for adding. Kiran any follow up question? Clear? Okay I believe it's clear because there is also another question from Kiran. Sorry Kiran I missed that. Hello. Kiran sorry I missed what you said. Here's the first one. Chapter 5 and verse 8. Okay sure. First John chapter 5 verse 8. Let me read verse 5 from first John chapter 5. Who is the one who overcomes the world the one who believes that Jesus is the Son of God this is the one who came by water and blood Jesus Christ not with water only but with water and with the blood it is the spirit who testifies because the spirit is the truth. Verse 7. For there are three that testify the spirit and the water and the blood and the three are in agreement. Pastor Jay Kumar would you like to respond to that? Yeah Roshan hi. The spirit, water and the blood. So it's talking about verse 7. Of course it's very clear the Father, the Son and the spirit and these three witnessing and three are one. Verse 8. The spirit, the water and the blood but I am not very clear Roshan because in verse 6 it's talking about the physical birth of the Lord Jesus. Probably Pastor Ken Clarish I think we will pass to Ashish. Can I ask you a further question? Sure. Yeah so verse 6, 7 and 8 right. So basically in John's episode he's talking about the definitiveness of their experience with Jesus. When he begins, first John chapter 1 he says the one whom we have seen and heard, whom we have handled we are talking about that person. So John is telling us look, I'm not writing to you about some spiritual fiction. It's not fiction. The one whom we have seen, whom we have handled whom we have encountered person, you're writing about him. So that's how he starts off his episode, first John chapter 1, the first few verses. So now we're coming down to, he's getting ready to conclude. So once again he's coming back to the same thing saying look this Son of God that we spoke of verse 5, Jesus is the Son of God. This is the one whom we're talking about. And now he's reiterating how we have witnessed that he is the Son of God. So that's why verse 6, 7, 8 come in. So he says verse 6, he came by water and blood. So water and blood would be, again we interpret it in the context of him being attested to. So water, that is the water of baptism. So when Jesus was baptized, there was a clear attestation from heaven. And John, not Saint, not John the writer of the gospel, but John the Baptist, bore testimony. And John was one of those early disciples of Jesus. He probably was a disciple, let me validate this. I think he was a disciple of John the Baptist. When John the Baptist said, behold the Lamb of God, follow him, then the disciples, his disciples, going looking at John chapter 1, they left John and they followed Jesus. So they had, so this is John 137. So they had testimony of Jesus being the Son of God through the waters of baptism. Heaven's opened, the Holy Spirit descended like a dove. And that is also in verse 6, the spirit bore witness. So water is the water of baptism. At the water of baptism, the Holy Spirit bore witness through which Jesus Christ is John. First John 5 verse 6 is a spirit who bears witness and the spirit is truth. And then blood is of course the sacrifice of Christ on the cross. So then verse 7, so that's the earthly side of the witness. Water, the waters of baptism where the Holy Spirit bore witness, the blood, the cross of Christ. Verse 7 is witness in heaven. Father, the Word and the Holy Spirit, they are in agreement. Then, verse 8, the three witness on the spirit, the Holy Spirit, the water that is water of baptism, the blood that is the cross. All of these are testing to one thing. Jesus is the Son of God. So to answer your question, water is talking about the water of baptism where the Holy Spirit bore witness to Jesus. Is that okay, Kiran? Thank you, Pastor. Thank you, Kiran, for that question. All right, awesome. Please feel free to share questions in the chat section. Okay, so we have a question here from Christopher. Please explain why there are some radical differences in the genealogy that is accounted by Matthew and Luke in the New Testament. Number of generations genealogy through Joseph versus genealogy through Mary, which is the preferred account. Okay, right. It's an interesting question. Who would like to take that one? The question on genealogy of Jesus. Maybe we should defer the answer to next week. We'll do a little study and come back. Okay. I mean, I'm just trying to think of it, Christopher. Matthew was addressing generally what is stated is Matthew is addressing a Jewish audience. Luke is addressing the Roman audience. And so we need to look at it from that perspective. But I think if we would come back with an answer on this next Thursday, we'll do a little bit of study. And I'm sure we'll have an answer, but we'll have to look at it from these two perspectives, the audience that was being addressed. Is that okay? Yeah. Christopher, so we'll respond to your question in the following week. Is that okay? Awesome. Okay, thank you. Okay. So until we get another question in the chat section. So one of the questions that I often get from young people, Abraham, I saw you raised your hand. We'll get to that if that's okay. Just a minute. So one of the questions that I get a lot from young people is from, you know, in our context, when God asks us to forsake, you know, everything and completely surrender and follow Him, what does that really mean, you know, in the context of our lives today? And so I think like on multiple times, they were referring to the disciples as in, okay, they forsake everything what they were doing and they followed Him. And so I did not really have a definitive, very clear answer. Can someone just shed light on that place? Anybody? Pastor Paul, Pastor Nancy, Jane, Pastor Ashish, Pastor Jakes. Okay, Pastor Ashish. Yeah, I'll just share some thoughts that I have. Yeah, so I'm thinking like, when disciples followed Jesus, many of them left everything, you know, like we see them leaving behind their profession and just going staying with Jesus and learning from Him. And that's what each one of us wants to do, right? Like when God is inviting us, we just want to follow Him and do nothing else. But does that mean that we leave behind the life we have, you know, the career we have, the family we have, the goals we have, the skills we have. So I'm thinking like maybe that's not what it means. Yes, God is calling us to a place of surrender. But at the same time, also looking at the life of Jesus, we know that the most important thing that Jesus wanted to do was the will of the Father. So I think the emphasis is there. If we can hear from God and if we can understand what it is that the Father wants us to do. And if that involves, you know, me leaving my career and getting into, you know, full-time ministry or something like that, if it's the Father's will for my life, then yes, you know, yes, for sake of the things and moving that direction. But if it's not, then just go by what the Father's will is. So those are my thoughts. Yes, thank you. Thank you, Pastor Nancy. That's nice. Okay. Would anybody like to add to that? Just go ahead. Okay. In Luke chapter 14, right? That's again where he says, you know, if anyone, 14 and verse 25 to 33, if anyone comes to me and does not hate his father and mother, wife and children, brothers and sisters, he has his own life. Also he cannot be my disciple. And then, you know, he says, one more thing, like whoever does not bear his cross and come after me cannot be my disciple. And then 28 onwards, he talks about counting the cost. Like, you know, someone who builds a tower, you know, you sit down, you count the cost and then you do it. And then towards verse 33 is where he says, like, whoever of you does not forsake all that he has, cannot be my disciple. So, you know, when we look at the context in which he says that forsaking all, of course he's talking about human relationship and then the fact that our relationship with the Lord has to take precedence over all. In the sense, like I heard someone say, you know, that relationship in the context of that relationship, every other relationship looks like, you know, as if you hate, you know. It fades into kind of oblivion. And also counting the cost, you count the cost and say, you know, there is a cost to follow the Lord and, you know, whoever wants to live a godly life will suffer persecution, God writes. And therefore, yeah, it is about, this forsaking all is about, of course, forsaking our selfish interests and selfish ambitions, but also from a place of counting the cost and willing to bear that cost. Yeah, yeah. Wonderful. Basta. Thank you. Thank you, Basta. Jean, would you like to? Yeah, I think it's very similar to what Basta Jay Kumar had said. It's, I think my references are from the Philippines, 378, just read that out. But what things were gained to me, these I have counted loss for Christ, but indeed I also count all things lost for the excellence of the knowledge of Christ, Jesus, my Lord, for whom I have suffered the loss of all things and count them as rubbish that I may gain Christ. So, yeah, in addition to the cost, it is to count everything superior supreme above all, beyond anything else that may take on our passion or our interest. So, pursuing Christ, pursuing Him and walking in fellowship with Him, surpasses everything else, whatever it may be, it may be work, it may be relationships, it may be self-interest, all of that. That's just another aspect of forsaking all things for Christ. Thank you, Basta. Thank you, Jean. Thank you. Thank you for helping me out. Okay, let's move on. Abraham, if you don't mind, could you share your question, please? And then we'll get to... And then we'll get to... Okay, thank you so much. Good morning, Basta. Good morning, Abraham. Good morning, Abraham. I was not telling that I want to seek some advice. I was trying to help a friend. I met him at church, I think some time ago, and he just called me that he's looking for a place to stay. So, I just decided to give him one of my rooms because I live in a two-bedroom, so I decided to give him the other one. But when he came, he came, I think, in May, there was a lockdown. So, since May, he has been staying with me. But the challenges that he's bringing is too much. Sometimes he would just go out and go and drink alcohol and then lie outside. Then the apartment would call me. I have to go and take him outside and bring him in. Sometimes he would even go and drink and then probably he would sleep outside through the next day. So, he has done this for a very long time. And finally, he got a COVID. Even though we are in the same apartment, he got a COVID. I didn't get a COVID. He went to the quarantine site for almost about 14 days. He came back, I think, last week. I mean, yesterday, he just took my motorbike. He went and he has not returned. So, why drive this guy out of my house? Or what do I do? Knowing that we are Christians and we have to help each other, we have prayed for him several. But it looks like he's not waiting to change. I don't know what to do. So, I just want advice on how to handle this guy, whether to drive him out or to still continue to pray for him. Because there is grace. I just received a message from the apartment that if he does not stay home, then they themselves will come and drive him out. So, I don't know what to do. I don't know what to do. Please help me. Thank you. Yeah. Yeah. Thank you, Abraham. Thank you for expressing your concern. Pastor Ashish, would you like to respond to Abraham, please? Yeah, Abraham, I can tell you what I would do. This is not a Bible. I think we all know what you would do. This is not chapter and verse. It's just what I would do. I would tell him to leave. And, you know, because he's being a problem, he's not willing to respect you or respect the whole, the apartment people, whatever. So, yeah, there's nothing wrong in you being firm and saying, please find a place somewhere else. I mean, I'm sure there'll be plenty of other places where he can go and stay. So, you could, and that's what I would do, right? Because you have been very patient with him and this is like pushing it too far. He should not abuse your kindness. So, we are called to be kind. We are called to be loving. But we can't let people abuse our kindness or abuse our goodness towards them. So, don't feel guilty that, you know, you are taking this kind of a stand. It's perfectly fine. That's my response. Back to you, Rosh. Thank you, Pastor Ashish. Thank you, Abraham, for that honest question. Okay, so we have a question from Sikidna Robert here. And it says, Pastor, I just wanted to know that according to Genesis, God created the heavens and the earth and the spirit of God was roaming around the face of the earth. And we also know that God was present before the creation. And why the world says that Lord Shiva is the creator of the world. Why Hinduism is considered as the first form of religion of the world. Why Shiva is called Yaksha Swaroopa, which has a meaning, which means a person who existed before the existence of the universe, same like the God as Genesis. So, yes. Okay. Yeah, so, Sikidna, I think there are many questions in this paragraph that you've written. So, we'll quickly address them. So, why is Hinduism considered the oldest religion? Well, even though, you know, the book of Genesis is starting from the creation. Now, so basically, okay, so Christianity is not, because Christianity basically started in 8030 formally. Christianity started then. But then what do we have? We have Judaism and we have Hinduism. Now, Judaism, the formal beginning is with Abraham. He's a patriarch, which is 2,000 years after creation. Right? So, that's when Judaism has its beginning. But with the patriarch Abraham, when God called Abraham. But God revealed to Moses, you know, the first five books, which starts off with the creation of the earth and creation of everything. So, although the formal beginning of Judaism is with the patriarch Abraham, the scriptures, the Old Testament scriptures, let's say before, what we call as Old Testament, which was the Hebrew scriptures, the Hebrew scriptures go back all the way to the very beginning, that is Genesis chapter one. Okay, so that's the only difference. So, the formal beginning of Judaism is with Abraham, but the scriptures go back, the revelation given to Moses, go back all the way to Genesis chapter one. So, that is why Hinduism is considered as the oldest religion, although the beginnings of, you know, Adam was the first person created and everybody traces back, human life traces back to Adam. Okay, so in the formal beginnings, of course, Judaism comes to those years after Genesis chapter one, but the scriptures go back all the way. Now, the God of the Bible, there was a question we answered at the very beginning, the God of the Bible is eternal self-existent, right? So, the God of the Bible doesn't begin in Genesis chapter one, verse one, he's before that, he always existed. And then Genesis one only gives us the beginning of creation, right? But the God of the Bible is eternal self-existent. Now, just because there are, let's say, this shouldn't matter that, you know, let's say in the Hindu scriptures, you have references to one of the gods as a person who existed before creation. It doesn't matter. The God of the Bible is an eternal self-existent God who always was before the beginning of creation. Is that okay, Sid? Do you have a follow-up question? Okay, no follow-up question. Thank you, Pastor. Thank you for responding to that question once again. Okay, just to move on, we have another question from Christopher. He says, the soul consists of the mind, emotions, and will. Some of these can be used by the evil one. Example, anger can lead to rage. So we need to seek the blessings of the Holy Spirit to keep this type of emotion within control. As per the Bible, are there a list of inherent emotions that are part of the soul? Example, joy, anger. As part of the Bible, is there a list of inherent emotions that are part of the soul? Pastor Paul, would you like to respond to that, please? Yes, thank you, Roshan. Thank you, Christopher, for that question. Right. Yes, so I don't really know. I'm not really sure of the words, the chapter words. Maybe if somebody knows that can go ahead and share it. But yes, the soul consists of the mind, will, and emotions. And so the Bible teaches us that we are to, you know, the Holy Spirit inside us, we are to, you know, be able to control our mind, our will, our emotions. And there are verses like, for example, you know, Paul writes to the Romans in Romans 12, he says, be not, be conformed to this world, but be transformed by the renewing of your mind. And so it is a responsibility of us, that we have that responsibility of renewing our mind. So salvation happens at that one instant, but the process of renewing our mind is something that we have to do. And so, as I said, Christopher, I'm not really sure of the words, but practically, you know, emotions is part of everyone, right? We all, you know, go through happiness or there's sadness, there's anger. It's part of everyone. And so we as believers with the help of the Holy Spirit can, you know, take control of, you know, our mind, will, and emotions within us with the help of the Holy Spirit. So I leave it there. Maybe somebody else can add to that, anyone else can. Thank you. Thank you, Roshan. Thank you. Thank you, Pastor Paul. Yes. Pastor Roshan, I'd just like to add. Sure. So I think some of you references and a few thoughts. So the first thing that we do see is, you know, man was made in God's image and God is a relational God. You know, we see that in the Trinity. It says, let us make man in his own, in our image. So he is a relational God. And in a relationship, there is an expression of emotions. So when God made us in his image, he also made us with those emotions because of his relationship with the son and the spirit. The second point that I'd like to bring about is that we see Christ being, you know, a model of emotional functioning. So we know that Christ was holy God and he was holy man. And we know that he's, he bears that perfect image of God. And it is in Christ that we see who, who we are to be. And he is the model that we have. So we are designed to be what, what he, he had in, in, in himself. So as perfect man Christ also experienced these emotions. And we see that, you know, the emotions of joy, compassion, anger, grief, fear. So he expressed these emotions, you know, when, when, and it's written in, in scripture. So they, they were a part of the way he responded to the situation. So, so I would say that, you know, this also, it, it also helps us to see how do we respond to God given emotions that he's put in us. The emotions aren't bad in itself, but the way that it is laid out or the way that it is processed or distorted becomes. It becomes a sin. Yeah. I just wanted to add that. Thank you, Jean. Thank you for that. Christopher. Was that clear? Do you have any follow up question that you'd like to ask? Okay. Thank you. Thank you, Jean. For that question. Okay. So we have a question from Divya, which he's asked again at the bottom. First Corinthians chapter 12, seven to 11. Her question is, does this passage mean that each one is given only certain gifts according to the will of God? Okay, so the question again is, does this passage mean that each one is given only certain gifts according to the will of God? So, Pastor Jay Kumar, would you like to take that question? Yeah, sure. So we read one Corinthians 12, of course. I think we're going to get into the class at nine. We're going to look at this chapter again, but anyway, very quickly. So this chapter, Paul doesn't want the Corinthians to have to be ignorant and he gives the list down the gifts and also the usage of the gifts and so on. So we see that he goes on to say he lists the gifts and he talks about the gifts as the manifestation of the spirit. And he's giving all this in the context of the local church gathering. So when we come together as a local church, well, the Holy Spirit, he expresses himself in different, you know, in these different ways. And verse 11, but one of the same spirit works all these things, distributing to each one individually as he will. So we come together and there's the word of knowledge, word of wisdom, prophecy, everything, and which the Holy Spirit, you know, expresses or manifests himself in that local gathering. So when we gather together, one might come with a word of knowledge, the Holy Spirit is expressing himself with a word of knowledge. Another person, a word of wisdom, another person, you know, another, maybe tongues and interpretation. So it's in the context of the local church gathering. The other thing that we need to understand is that, you know, we receive the baptism of the Holy Spirit. We have indwelling presence of the Holy Spirit. The gifts are an expression of the Holy Spirit and he's the one who indwells. So all the nine gifts, you know, he wants to express through the believer for the edification of the body, that is what we see. So that's, but it is he who distributes, right? But on our part as believers, we are to expect, we are to desire. And that we see in the rest of the chapter, like in verse, same chapter, I'm going to think it's 12, we go to the end of chapter verse 31. He says, honestly, desire the best gifts, you know, plural, meaning more than one, all honestly desire the best gifts. Again, in chapter 14 and verse one, pursue love and desire spiritual gifts, right? So the objective of desiring is, of course, to receive and to, you know, express, manifest the gifts so that the church can be edified so that it can be a blessing. So, so we see that it is the same spirit. And as believers, we are to desire, and it's not just one, but many. So, yeah, so, so I just leave it there. Thank you. Thank you, Pastor Jaykumar. I just had a follow up as if it was time I can ask in the class as well. Yeah, I think we have almost two minutes. Yeah, only we can have it in the class. Okay. Okay. Thank you, Pastor Jaykumar. Thank you, Divya. Quickly, I just address Shani's question. Shani, raise your hand. Oh, yes. So my question is that I know that I learned in a faith class that when you're praying for somebody, you both have to have faith. Nor for somebody to be healed. And I also know I've seen people lay hands on somebody and they get healed. And I know it says in the Bible that the signs of Father those who believe if you should lay hands on a stick, they should get well. And it says Jesus said, things that I do, you could do good, things that needs to go to the Father. So I'm thinking about all this. So I'm a believer. So when I have pain, I lay hands on myself. And I, you know, I speak to, you know, be healed in the name of Jesus. I also speak, you know, to my body. So why is it that I'm a believer? Why is that I'm still having pain? I'm not healed instantly. Like I hear, like I see other people being healed instantly. All right. Thank you, Shani. Pastor Ashish, would you like to respond to that? Why don't we see, you know, personal healing happen instantly? Instantly. Yes. And I, you know, let me say that I don't want to necessarily, I mean, we cannot necessarily clearly state this is the exact reason. But I would just, you know, generally what we know what we need to receive our ministry healing, which is God's word and faith and the presence of God and so on. So my response would be just continue to exercise your faith, put the deposit of God's word into your heart and, you know, engage with God in His presence through worship. There will be times, you know, we will see instant healing for ourselves and then maybe healing will happen progressively and it's okay as long as we get healed and are fine. But we continue to build our faith up. We continue to put the deposit of God's word in and get into His presence, you know. Okay, thank you. Thank you, Pastor Ashish. Thank you, Shani, for that question. Okay. Christopher, very quickly, Pastor Jakes has shared a link to one of the publications that you can check it out. Thank you, everybody for joining today's mentoring hour. I hope you had a blessed time. Let's pray and bring the session to a close. Okay. John, can I request you to pray and bring the session to a close, please? Yeah, let's pray. Father, we thank you for this time of learning. We had together. Lord, we pray that you would continue to lead us in the right direction and we would be able to walk with you. And even as we get into our daily classes, Lord, we pray that you will continue to speak to us, help us to grow more in your word. Thank you for all the faculty. Thank you for all pastors. Thank you for all the students. They help us to love you more every day, God. In Jesus name we pray. Thank you, John. Shani, very quickly, there's another APC publication called Healing and Deliverance that you can download for free from our website. So please feel free to do that. It's called Healing and Deliverance. Okay. Thank you. You're welcome. Thank you, everybody. Have a great day. Stay safe. God bless you all. Bye-bye.