 Welcome to the metal voice on the second start once again on the show, Tony Martin, of course, you know solo artist A man who's appeared on over 76 albums as a guest or as a as his own albums The reason why we're doing the show is I reached out to Tony. I said Tony, you know what? Your album was released at the beginning of 2022 in January 14th, and I go people There's so many releases this year that people may have forgotten that was it was released in 2022 and it's get It's good to get back on the radar since we're coming to the year-end and a lot of people are sort of looking at the best albums of 2022 and I think it's one of them. So that's why I want to do this. That's very kind of you Reboot Yes, indeed Yes, it's still going out. It's still out there. I mean we believe it or not. We're still working on it It sounds strange, but we were doing We were asked to do some more tracks for a vinyl version of the album and we're still doing it We got kind of distracted with stuff and there was a bit of confusion between the two record labels who was doing what and So we're still on it, but I'm hopefully for the anniversary or maybe just a little bit after that We'll have the vinyl version and then other stuff, you know to go with it Also, we didn't manage to get any videos created yet, which sort of we got held back with that people so tied up So it all sort of got stepped back But yeah, we're still on it and then join it still getting great words about the album, which I'm really pleased about and It's nice to have this opportunity with you guys to sort of let everybody know I'm still here You know So it's a go ahead Alan. Sorry revisit thorns Is the delay with the vinyl because of the problems getting the vinyl is that one of the reasons or? No, it's us We we're just not working fast enough. I mean we were we're on it Some delays and I've had some ear infections and stuff which took me out of action for a little while Just stuff, you know things that you don't even think around the corner and just pop up You know, I'll crack you have to deal with that first and then sort of move on So yeah, it's just us. We're behind time and but we are still on it and Still enjoying every minute of it. It's great still working with Scott He is sending me so much material. It's mad. I can't keep up with him to be honest So what when can we expect the reissue will call it the vinyl reissue of this album with all the bonus Songs, I guess you have bonus songs. Is that what it is? It's that's what it is That's what we're working on with got some extra songs. The problem was with They wanted to take some songs off The album to get them to fit on a vinyl and I didn't want to do that And so they said well, there's only one other choice and that's to write more songs and then we'll do a double vinyl release with like, you know Extra tracks and stuff like that. So, okay, that works for me. So I got in touch with Scott and sure enough He just started in sending Songs I have riffs and riffs and riffs unbelievable how how much he how prolific he is Then it was choice. Which one do we choose? Um, so it just got like a a little bit draggy like, you know, we're sort of dragging behind our own sort of tails if you know, I mean Um, and like I said, I had a couple of ear infections which put me out of action for a little while so Yeah, we're still on it. We're still is there like a due date like it's gonna be released in 2023 I'm just discussing that with the record labels now I'm not sure at the moment how quick or how slow they can get a vinyl pressed and into circulation So as soon as I know that Then I'd be able to sort of tell you what we're looking at as a timeline Well, all I can do really is do my bit and the record labels are twiddling their thumbs going come on come on You know, so so the good news is Alan the good news is it'll be in the talk at 2020 album category in the 2023 We could have like the same like a time-shift you can have like the same album twice spread over I don't know 10 years or something I Have to say I mean, you know, we're still enjoying ourselves as you can probably tell We're all pretty happy and and everything but Just defense some things, you know, so got in the way and That it's nice that the fans are still because they still talk about it, you know, no, I'm I'm a bit of a Facebook I don't know. I'm now I won't call myself that I'm on Facebook a lot and They still talk about it and really enjoying it. It's almost become like a oh that classic Sort of thing, you know, oh, yeah, I listen to that all the time kind of thing So it's nice to know that it's still in people's hearts and players and stuff like that. So I guess from that and It's it's a bit of a success in that way. I Don't have any sales figures yet. We're coming up to the first anniversary So when that comes in February, I think we'll know like how it's done But it would be great, you know to think that you got like album of the year or something. Yeah, yeah That would really cheer us up that way Tony, you know, I asked this of other bands recently that came back and and and you know after hiatus along hiatus But have a certain pedigree. I mean, you know, you did this album. Where do you think it's gonna fit into today's market? That's a good question, isn't it because I mean who knows I mean, you know Sometimes music comes out and you go what the hell is that doing out? You know, I mean, but on the on the other hand I mean, I think that people's listening Patience is as grown People are listening to so much more stuff and I know my kids are getting into really old material and like in not the same way that I do with my dad I mean, I never listened to anything, you know, if my father's it must be joking But yeah, but my father was listening to Nana Muscari. So I think it was a little different for me Yeah, you see the last album I bought was Elvis Presley, you know the The live version they did with an orchestra about a year and a half ago or something like that was big production massive thing Fabulous no, I I hated Elvis Presley when I was a kid. I never listened to that was Presley But wow, I mean, you know, there's some great stuff and so I think people's listening experiences are getting bigger and bigger So I don't know where it fits really I'm hoping that people like it and just keep listening to it and buying it downloading it, whatever Once we get some videos completed that will sort of start to tell the story better, you know At the moment we've been concentrating on the audio part and because the band or band The guys on the album are so spread out. It's really difficult to get them all in one place all in one go It's kind of logistical stuff as well. We have to try and work out how we do it We've been toying with green screen things and that's got a certain success about it But nothing quite like having all the guys in the same room together. So I don't know. We're still working on it It's more complicated than I thought it was gonna be But Still I love the album, you know, I'm very very proud of it and I'm very proud of all the guys that Girls that played on it. Yeah, really cool. What about hitting the road now? So you have the album you're gonna probably come out with some videos put the bonus tracks Yeah in 2023 we're looking at the reissue of this album. What about hitting the road and doing some dates? So what are your opinions on that? That would be great, wouldn't it? Oh You know, I would love to do that again, it's logistical stuff getting around people because I don't have a band per se I have to hire the guys that sort of work with me on the road. That depends on if they're free Covid thing is kind of more or less gone now ish really mostly There are still the remnants of that kind of thing happening, but it would be good and it's always in mind You know, I would love to get back out there and do it But we'd be starting from scratch right from the very beginning and building it from the ground up So it's it would take a bit of time for us to get that. So what I said was hey, I mean, we're all still writing with Scott and What if we do another album and then tour two albums together, I don't know You know, that's another option open to us at the moment But it is in mind, I mean, I would love to get back out there and you know, be on the road again. I missed that So the record company would be open to a second album Your contract like on a per album basis or you can yeah, well The contract was for eight years So I guess whatever I can throw at them you could reissue it for the next eight years, that's what you'll do Yeah Thorns one two and another sock So Could be good. I don't know. I mean it was right here. So I guess whatever I can throw at them They were certainly open to more albums. So Which is very it reminds me a bit of when I was in Sabbath and and When I first joined Sabbath going right right right now, but way back It was the first time I'd been in a band that was expected to have an album out. Oh, look at that The eternal idol and they said, oh, when we do the next album I mean, I'm good. Oh, wow, you know because it Before that it was always trying to get a record deal and you know knocking on people's doors and begging and say, please but then they just expected you to do it and and You know, you're lucky if you're in that position where you know, you can do what you do and Hand it over and then the record label do this stuff It's they put a lot of faith in you as an artist. I do appreciate that and I feel very lucky, you know, I can Kind of do that But yeah, um another album, I mean we've certainly got enough stuff to be working on Send me about a hundred or something Well, where does where does the this album end and when does the next project begin, right? Maybe that's the question You don't know It never becomes clear until it's done Because you know just working on like even like today Working on one of the songs for the extra tracks on Thorns and it's only just come to mind that actually this is this is really good. Should I keep that for the next album? No, don't do that to me. So now I'm liking another We're getting so much good stuff. I'm going keep that. No, no use it. No, keep it. No use it So it just gets that's mind games go on in your head, you know when you're writing and doing that sort of stuff So Yeah, eventually it will all slot into place and I'll go, okay, right. That's it And and I'll have it. That's a nice problem to have too much material. Yeah I mean, I have to say I people know me for well partly for lyrics and So I tend to take time when I'm writing lyrics You know, I Sometimes not very often sometimes I can get it really quick if I've got the initial idea in place Then I can sort of just write about that idea But if I'm still hunting for the idea that that fits the music I do like to take time on it and work that out So you can be sitting on the music for you know, I usually sometimes waiting for the lyrics to arrive in my head But I do know once it's once it's there. It suddenly clicks like okay. Oh, yeah, that's it And so then I'll know them Tony when you're in Sabbath, I asked blaze the same question. Were there any regrets in the sense that? blaze felt blaze Bailey was when he was an iron man He felt that he should have spoke out more but because he was the new guy He didn't want to sort of stir the pot, but he regrets today not Speaking out, you know, maybe they should have tuned the songs a little lower for his vocal range Just as an example, are there any regrets you said, you know what? I should have spoke out at that point in time Things would have been different. Right. Um, that's a that's a good question. It's It's it comes under the banned politics heading Well banned politics are a really weird thing For to begin with it wasn't my band black Sabbath. He was he was hired mostly to being black Sabbath the only You know people who could say they were the band is obviously the original guys the rest of us were there to put on a show and to carry the black Sabbath legacy forward Which I felt, you know honored and privileged to do that So I didn't have and I still don't have any say in like, you know, what goes on You know, they're re-releasing these Tony Martin's thing yet I say I have no idea what that what's happening with it. I know it's going to be next year But that's all all I know really And it's still it was the same back then Never really knew anything and I had my own personal manager Tony had a manager Giza Butler had a manager There was like it's a bit like spinal tact, you know Everybody's got their own manager and it's sort of go you'd speak to your manager Then he phone up somebody else's manager to go down to them and then he come back up Me and Alan have two managers So we have to our manager speak to each other before we do a call with you. So it's okay So it was a bit mad, you know being in the band and a lot of the time you was reading between the lines To try and get an idea of what was happening, you know Because direct questions didn't really work and and you'd sort of go I used to say to myself I don't understand that the blokes only stood like, you know, 10 feet away from me You know, and they won't speak. Oh just speak to my manager about it. Ah, okay So you go to your manager across they manage it down and back up again. It's just it was the nightmare So speaking out as you asked It didn't really happen like that. Um, you sort of pose the question it went round around around and then You kind of waited for an answer Um, I was on pretty good terms with the guys. I mean, I could speak Reasonably freely But um, I was you know told in no uncertain terms from time to time Not always but from time to time. There's nothing to do with you. And my manager, um He used to get so frustrated and in fact He kind of did himself out of a job really because The band Sabbath was managed by I owe me guys And so my manager was just sat there twiddling his thumbs mostly for most of the time, you know Trying to get through and never getting an answer. So it was it was always hard work, you know being in that situation um So as much as I would have wanted to have spoken out You know Yeah, you just had to sort of go with the flow half the time Yeah, yeah, quickly Tony. Yeah, I'm I revisited Tony. I love his book here and it's all that's his recollection from the time He's able and he's he's allowed to have his recollection But I'd like to throw out a few subjects and get your recollections from that time Not saying that anybody's right or anybody's wrong. It's just the recollection Apparently nobody was ever getting paid back then with the management And I mean, you know, look at irs records for headless cross. I remember couldn't even find that in the stores back in the day So, uh, you know was is it true that nobody was getting paid? And that's one of the reasons why eric singer or ray gillin left the band I don't know about those guys actually um I only met them a few times and they didn't really speak to me about it. Um, so I can't really tell you what Payings they might have been going through for me. Um It was a bit difficult, you know, sort of getting Money, but I had faith though, you know, I didn't I was never really Worried that it wouldn't sort of come It was, you know, it was like the checks in the post kind of thing but um It would arrive eventually Yeah, kind of Um, any and he usually always did. I mean, I I never had any real issues like that um, but I mean Sabbath as a name band as an entity um Were very in when I first joined they were very short of money. I mean they when I did the eternal idol I mean they came back from Montserrat where they'd recorded the majority of that um album And uh, I was told right back then I said there's no money, you know, this it's going to be tough um, so um, that was sort of banding around right from the beginning of my era anyway Um, but slowly, you know, we sort of built it up and we we got it into a position Where it was really working quite well and money was sort of starting to come in um, but um, you know, I I started off as uh an apprentice and ended up with in the same way Mostly nothing much changed It seems, you know, whatever they needed help just call tony. He'll be back and give us hand And you know, I'm writing this I was surprised to reread the book the other day and and to find out that dehumanizer because of some friction between Ronnie james deal and cozy power that you were actually brought back in to do some songs on dehumanizer even Yeah, I don't know what that friction was. Um, they wouldn't really Tell me much about it. Uh other than um, tony said Each time they came back to the studio the settings had changed or something like that So I guess somebody else had been in there and we you know worked it or something like that. Um, but I don't know how that fits into You know animosity or you know Leaving the band. I don't know what that's about. But um, yeah, we did try and I went down there and um, I gave it a go The the problem was I I would have what while I would have had to rewrite everything because I couldn't use The melodies and lyrics that Ronnie'd done I was going to have to rewrite my own. Um And there just wasn't enough time To do that to rewrite it. And so I said guys, I think the best thing for you to do is Carry on with Ronnie if you can find a way of you know, working it out and getting that done And then maybe we can sort of talk again afterwards and and that's what happened. We ended up, you know Getting back on it afterwards Guys just one second. I got to get the door. Hold on. Hold on Hold on. Hold on if it's not the washam amazon the door Started we used to do this in his basement We only live about a kilometer away. It takes me 20 minutes to walk to this place But with kovat we got used to doing it this way And in the early days you'd be in his basement and then you would hear the washing machine or the dishwasher Yeah It's real life, right? That's it Yeah You know, it's it's fun, you know, and it's I like what you said about the the younger generation's revisiting You know, you got solo albums by Ronnie Atkins and biff biford from saxon and and now yourself and and so many other artists It's I hope that you know that the younger generation get pick up on your legacies and of course everything that you've you brought to the table over the decades so Yeah, I mean you were saying that I was on 76 or something album like 18 now Yeah, I've done another couple since then But um Yes, I mean I I love that people are still finding out about you know, the stuff that I've done in the past Um It is a lot of stuff and a majority of it is not in existence anymore, but every now and then I can Point somebody, you know all the fans towards stuff that I've done in the past one of the recent ones I just Brought to people's attention was a a little stint I had with alaska with bernie marston. Oh, yeah You know, it's a different kind of music completely But um, you know, it's one of the things that I've done. So, you know, I I do things like that every now and I Raise people's awareness of the stuff I've done in the past and I literally Just got bernie marston's book in the mail yesterday. I haven't even had a chance to open it But I'm I'm I'm actually looking forward to reading that Yeah, but I'm not in it I don't know. I gotta find out. He doesn't he doesn't speak to me anymore. But um, yes, um Yeah, that's everybody's writing a book people ask me to do one, but I just I'm just not Um, oh, what would I say? I'm not uh I'm not disciplined enough Really, you know that they sort of said it has to be done in some kind of chronological order well I'm okay with remembering remembering the events, but if you ask me what date it was, I'm fucked up So, you know, I got researchers to do that for you. Yeah, so um, so it's a no go on the book. Is that what you're saying or not yet? I'm not sure I'm still trying to decide. I mean to be honest I mean mostly stuff gets put out on facebook or some other You know like doing interviews with you and you know and things like that and so stuff comes out Which you know is probably what you'd want to put in a book, but um, me being me, uh, tend to sort of just Wrap it on talk about stuff. So I probably wouldn't work now It's all been said If I like that, you know speaking of letting things come out I mean, you know back in the day because the record was so hard to find and It was kind of lean years for black sabbath when you were the tony mardin air who you can call it But I'll be visiting those albums decades later. Jeez. There's like really strong albums I just like to get your thoughts on cross purposes. It's my favorite of the catalog with the tony mardin years What's your recollection of geysers geysers back in the band? What's your recollection of that album? I was fab. This is really really good. Um, we had a really good time and we was getting on really well And at the time geyser butler said it was the best album he'd ever done Didn't say that now, but it did But we used to we used to stay at the studio it was like a live in studio, you know, everybody had their room there so At in the countryside So that we were all pretty much together most of the time Um, and it was a laugh, you know, it was it was all right. Um Not much not much tension in it at all really we we had a great time and the songs were going like really well um um So I I think I thought that was a good uh part of my era I mean I have to say it's great working with cosy pal for the other two Um an internal idle world. I didn't really have much choice or I couldn't do much with that because it was already written so All I had to do is sing it. But um, yeah, cross purposes was good As far as I can remember anyway So so they bring iced tea in I mean, what are your thoughts back in the day? Like I like iced tea Don't get me wrong. I like iced tea. You know, even he's on megadeth's new album, right? Is it now we're talking to yeah, yeah, he's on megadeth's new album He's on one of their songs. He does a guest sort of spoken word in a sense, right? Yeah, what are your thoughts now you're going back to I can't remember what year that album was released forbidden but 95 wasn't it was it 95? Brown there. Yeah. Yeah, probably Me too me too But so they bring a nice tea like what are your first thoughts here? Wait a second guys things are changing here What's going on here? I mean, I didn't know we were gonna integrate rap into our music Yeah, that was really bad. I mean, well, um from From most of us. Well, I didn't like it cosy pal didn't like it. Jeff Nichols was like Really uncertain about it. Um, I owe me was into it and his manager was into it but we were like totally bemused in the beginning um And we'd sort of started But I imagine this though. I mean, you know, you've got cosy pal. You know cosy pal, right? So imagine somebody coming into into the Writing studio and trying to tell cosy how to play drums Is that what ice tea said ice tea told them how to play drums trying to get into playing a certain way And cosy pal's looking at him going Are you sure about this? Yeah, it's gonna be great. Well, I don't see it myself I'll give it a try and so it was just, um Bizarre just really bizarre, you know, and and nobody was really getting it I mean the the the thing for me was like when they sort of mentioned that ice tea was coming and I was I was just Lost because I they never told me for what they didn't say He was coming to do like a track or a two tracks or the whole album. They didn't say so, um So I kept trying to find out and like I was telling you earlier on to find out information I'll speak to my manager and go because of my manager So to find out any information was Really hard to come by and, um In in the end I was just I couldn't concentrate In the end because I didn't know if I was you know singing on the album at all You know when I was in the studio, I said is this is this actually going out with my voice on it? Or is he just coming in to replace my vocals? And like, you know then sing it and then I just get dumped Did did you hang out with ice tea? Were you like a part of the group? They did all that separately. So I you know, I was left in the dark a lot And so and until the album actually came out. This is forbidden. We're talking about I mean you just held it up Uh in front of you there Until the album came out. I didn't know What I was going to be on. I had no idea Because nobody would say And then they would just sort of like Well, they what was the terminology they said, um Uh Keep going and we'll decide along the way or something like that. There was Something like that. We'll fix it in the next. Don't worry about it. Yeah So I was I was very um I was very lost really and so I I really don't like the album because it brings back all of that Memories for me, which was just hard work So anyway, we went in the studio and it was Tense a bit, you know cold. Nobody was really You know getting on great because of all of this stuff Um, and so we just sort of got into it and I did it, but I never felt happy with it not ever And yet there were some good songs on there and um When we were in rehearsals putting the songs together not the writing studio when we had Ernie see and Whatever nice guys Really nice guys, but um when we were rehearsing it just as the band there was some great riffs and you know the the songs was You know evolving really nicely um But then they kind of stopped Developing and I think that's what um bothered me about it because once they'd sort of said Somebody else is coming in to sing on the album and I didn't know what they were going to sing on the album Then I couldn't concentrate then after that just my focus went And so Inspired standing to record an album, you know, but I just didn't understand it and so I sort of lost faith in it completely Which is a shame because We could have had done something with it. It's not as if they came in for you know, I mean Ernie see produced the whole thing um I like Ernie see I think he's a great guitar player It's just he doesn't fit with black cyber. That's the only problem. That's that's a guy. He's great. I use Ernie see we hung out with him. He used to come to the writing studio um and hang out with us and so Nice guy, you know, well, they were all nice guys. So I don't I can't speak badly about them at all It's just the situation didn't work Yeah, um Particularly well and and I think that was kind of reflected And also they did that crazy artwork on the album cover Whatever that means, yeah, I don't think that helped either, you know, but um Anyway, we did it under protest I'm glad to hear there's more songs in the way from totally marten that there's bonus vinyl uh, maybe more albums in the future And uh, yes Here's a tidbit for all of you guys, okay, and tony knows this because I heard this I don't know which interview a long time ago I know well, not too long ago All the songs are in alphabetical order Yeah It's bizarre. I mean so as the world burns black widow book of shadows crying wolf damned No shame at all nowhere to fly passion killer. They're all for some bizarre run like the devil This is your Dalmatian thorns. They're all in alphabetical Tony. Was this on purpose? Oh Where's this mystical? I can tell you exactly what it was. Um, you you know when you're so Well, you guys work with computers and stuff, right? And you know, you you um You have your files and you you put them in folders and stuff like that and the computer puts them in alphabetical order or numerical order right Well, um, I think it was about three quarters of the way through the album and I thought Uh, I suppose I should put these songs in order Shit they are in order Wow And I just I couldn't believe it the way that they they ran from one to the other Was as they were In the in the filing system. I've never seen this before. I've never seen this before honestly It was not planned and so when I looked at it and I played it and I sent it to scott and he didn't believe it And I sent it to the record label and they didn't believe it I said, honestly, that's just like the way that the folder collected all of those songs And I never worked on them in that order. It's just like, oh, I've worked on that put it in a folder And then that's how it sort of assembled itself and it was just bizarre I don't know anybody who's ever managed to get an album. I I don't think I've ever heard Maybe there is maybe there is but I've never heard. I I don't know I mean it'd be I'd be love to know if anybody else has managed to do it But it was just one of those things I just couldn't get me head around it for ages and ages I kept going back on it and going no, there must it must be wrong And I'm sure enough if I tried to change the tracks around The album didn't sound the same It's perfect. It was it's it's a mystical in a sense. It's just as you know, I there's some Why a lottery ticket of your head down to the bookies, isn't it? It's a bet on the horses On that day When I realized I should have gone and bought a lottery ticket. That's what I should have done And and you know what we should we should mention this before we go, you know, it's a solid album It's a I just didn't want to repeat the same thing as last time that we had the interview But it's a solid album. The production is fantastic You got the hard-hitting songs. You got the brutal songs. You got the acoustic songs You got Pamela Moore on there. You got some jazzy stuff going on keyboard solos bass solos. Alan, you want to throw out anything? There's some quirky stuff on there, you know, it's like I didn't think it would be like Accepted quite so well. I mean, but people again, this is what I was saying to you earlier on about people's patience Seems to be growing and listening to other stuff. And so even the quirky stuff that's on there You know, I mean like I said, this the story makes more sense with the video and I've considered the video in my head But like until you guys see well The story will evolve, you know, as all that sort of stuff appears, but Yeah, so we could expect the music video expect the music videos We expect more songs We expect the Tony Martin Black Sabbath era next year. The box set is is that confirmed now? Do you know what again? I spoke to Wyoming's management a couple of weeks ago and They're already, you know, they're they're happy to be getting on with this and and I think they're doing, you know Oh finishing off the deals and like stuff like that, but I don't have a date So I await the same as everybody, you know to find out They'll be out and they'll tell you the day it's out. They'll say here it is Yeah Yeah, I probably won't even get a copy of it. I'm just going to buy it That's what I was about to say The interview's been apicy on one of the remakes from heaven to hell and he never even got a copy So he says I'll take your word for it that I sound good. I haven't heard it yet Tony here's here's my last question to you before we let you go Musical youth when I found this out. I thought I was pretty impressed. You passed a duchy on the left-hand side Yeah, your involvement on that just quickly quickly um well back in those days In the early 80s. I mean I was I was a gigging musician, you know Grabbing any kind of work that I could at the time and and birmingham in england is famous You know for musicians. We've had everything from reggae to rock Come out of this city, you know, it is just unbelievable the amount of stuff that comes in. So there's always somebody Uh doing something that needed, you know, a hand here or a hand there. Well I'm a guitarist originally. Um, I started playing guitar when I was seven then And my name was put forward Um to help out with the kids In musical youth and the setup was Um, the kids went to school Then their father freddy weight um had a rehearsal studio in Birmingham And uh, he picked out some um really quite good musicians to take the role Of each one of the kids Mine was the guitar Um And then when the kids came home from school It was our job then to teach the kids what their father had written in the day So I was there for It's about a year or something, you know, with with with the kids um And uh, we got on okay I mean calvin the guitar Little guitar you had a little guitar you had a little guitar Yeah They had um calvin was a bit of a monster, you know, he'd come out from school. Oh, man You're not don't need one no white man teaching me to play no guitar I say look your father has told me that you've got to learn this now Dan put no So we used to we used to it was my job like, you know to get the guitar part across anyway And um, yeah, they were doing all right. They got really big Um, but they had a a few horrible things the bass player died um poor kid um A couple of them got hung up on drugs and stuff, but You know, um big hit man. It was huge. It's massive massive I'm good and I worked with dexys midnight runners a bit and you'd be 40 a little bit Um, you know come on eileen Yeah, that was just before me. Um, but I was there um, just after working at the studio that they recorded and rehearsed in that, um What was he called diamond sound studios? In Birmingham, um, but yeah I uh, I have an upbringing with reggae as as much as well Not quite so much as rock, but I worked with one of the guys out of asward as well Um stuff. Yeah, just very very cool stuff that needs to be put in a book if you ask me, um Tony on that note Tony on that note. Thank you so much. You're always welcome back on the show promote anything you need Thank you very much. It's always a pleasure Alan any final words No, just to continue success. Thanks for all the great years of music and we wish you all the best moving forward Now, thank you guys. Uh, like I said to you before we need people like you to you know, get the word out You know to the people about what we're doing and stuff like that. So thank you for your time Um, it's been a pressure. I'm your pleasure Nope, the pressure is in black sabbath here. There's no pressure Uh, so keep rocking that All right, so thorns pick it up album of 2022 now album of 2022. There you go people a reminder today