 Boom what up fam Anthony Johnson here today co-founder and CEO of the red man group founder 21 studios and the 21 convention Aka president Johnson president dream this episode's title making the man is here great again I'll be joined with two guests today, and it's gonna be John Anthony It was on the show about a month ago from John Anthony lifestyle find him on YouTube and Alex from playing with fire I'm new to him, but he's highly recommended and vouched for by John Anthony He's based in Miami, Florida and also has a big YouTube channel for dating relationships and becoming better with And you can find him on YouTube about playing with fire or Alex playing with fire links in the description After the show so without further ado welcome to today's show the red man group is now in session Now I'm bringing these guests on Alex playing with fire. What's up, man? Yeah, how's it going? Thank you for having me on yeah, man I appreciate your time today coming on. We're John. Go. He was just here a second ago. Oh Yeah, it's weird we'll get him back in a second. I'm sure technical difficulties or something That's what happens when you live in a third-world shithole you have technical difficulties. Yeah pros and cons man pros and cons So for the fans of my channel who are not familiar with you talk to me about your channel You got about 44,000 subscribers and what equal kind of content you do there And what's your history of being a dating coach relationship coach for men? Yeah, so we mainly do we started with a focus on online dating because that's what I initially was doing I was I used to work at corporate job A lot of people know this but I was a sales trainer and so I worked 50 60 hours a week And I really did not have time for like, you know going out to bars and shit So I did a lot of online dating I started applying a lot of sales concepts because I had like some of the best sales trainers I think in industry training me So I started applying a lot of those concepts to online dating And then I started a Facebook group just to get some validation from dudes on the internet and share my Larry ports And that kind of just exploded on its own with no marketing for me And then due to some poor decision years. What years was that going on during like what? 2016 okay Yeah, yeah, then the company went bankrupt overnight basically just because some of the upper management made some bad decisions And so I was out of a job like overnight basically me and like hundreds of people So I decided to run with playing with fire and then we started the YouTube channel We started the website we started the app and all that stuff and But then the channel has evolved since then we just do a lot of like we recently had Elliot Holson Who I know is a speaker but that should talk about like fitness and masculinity So he's an average man. I love Elliot. He's a good guy Yeah, it was funny because my mom watched that live stream because she watches a good amount of my content And after that she texted me. She's like, I don't know how I feel about this guy. He's a He's got some interesting opinions, but yeah, I like Elliot a lot What's your background is a John welcome to the show I guess Yeah, what's your background with each other? How do you guys know each other? What's the what's the connection after and you guys wingman do you guys? You did right? Alex is a former fuck buddy of I have since friends on John yeah, I saw him I saw him like come on to the scene How long ago was it like three years ago four years ago? It was 2016 so five years ago five years ago Okay Yeah, so I saw him come out and I and I always give everyone like a fair chance even though like 99.9% of the time It's it's shit like I'll go through their products I'll go through their content and it was like the first time in a long time where a guy was like giving no be a No bullshit practical advice and I saw that a lot of the stuff was like really good And in some cases better than what I was doing which which again hasn't happened in a long time So I like private message him and I was like, you know full humility like hey I I'm pretty good at night game and day game and stuff. I see you're doing some texting online stuff Better than I am I think you know in some cases for sure and I was like I want to come in I was like I want to You know trade value and show you what I can do with cold approach There's a there's my girlfriend in Brazil that modern life dating says he has screenshot proof that she's an escort I'm down here. We're gonna we're gonna we have like thousands of pictures from like over the we've been dating for like over a year I might make it if he tries to like release because I somebody hit sent a coffee Zilla to somebody sent Like full fake screenshots that I was able to like disprove it in 20 ways But I talked coffee Zilla for like two hours and he's like people are showing me all this like screenshot proof I'm like bullshit because he said what was being said of screenshots might never happen He's like oh, they said they worked for your company and they can't show the screen cap of the screenshots because it was on a corporate phone I've never had a corporate phones for employees through dick is and the person couldn't say that who their name was and like I know there's like limited people in my company. I'm like very close to them And like I was able to disprove in like 20 ways But if if people try to like put out fake screenshots and stuff like that Like well, I'll release a video without with thousands of pictures with her like I have no problem defending that kind of stuff Yeah, I like how these our enemies are such frauds if they they bang fat woman and then they were trained with their fat woman And you just bring your hot girlfriend like live on the show like this absolutely We we had we wrote on the whiteboard how many three sons we've had since mate She had never had one before before meeting me we've been 34 that's what we can remember 34 new different girls And I had a bunch with what's not a lot though with With some other girls so but I think like like definitely over 20% of my ladies in the past year were Let's get back to talking about how often you found my content Yeah, so basically I was almost like Like hitting you up a lot like cuz it's really exciting for me I've looked at the whole system like I always like when I explain the system It's like here's red the color red is like a need of a lot of optimization yellow is working at a sufficient level But could be optimized and then green is like optimized and I'm trying to get guys to that green state But in reality, I look at it always is all yellow like indefinitely So when Alex was able to show some stuff that was that was better than what I was doing That's how I got to level I was out in the first place I was trying to find people are better me at running rotations at night game at day game and texting it at You know running their day like every little part of the system who's doing it better and why? And then split tests and if the performance wins with a nut was sufficient data It's a scientific method right and it's always the system is always open to change So whenever when someone's like hey Corey Wayne says you should be caught or you should be Not not planning the same date in the same hangout because it looks needy and then I know like from data that Planning it during the hangout when the vibe is up and when you can dynamically answer logistics and objections It's infinitely better than starting from scratch or text is like one example, but yeah long story short so we we became bodies that way and I went out to visit him and In LA he's living my time. He's living in LA Night one like he ended up going home a little early. We were to strip club But he went home. He went home a little early I came back a little bit later with a stripper and he heard me bang the stripper And then you said I banged like 10 girls in like three days at your house that you witnessed It was a long I didn't witness witness. I wasn't like hiding the closet I mean we Yeah, we had a lot of Whatever to double dates and shit like that also is a good time I mean, I remember afterwards my roommate would then wound up going crazy But when he he's like it sounds like there was like a frat party in here or something like that It's just like so many condoms and beer bottles and That's when you're good with women, this is how real life is it's not this fucking this fake bullshit that we have to keep Roasting on the internet these guys who hide behind computer screens indefinitely with fat women that behind in screens, too It's just disgusting, you know, it's it's such there's such the the monastery of such a shit show of frauds I'm really happy that you guys have been cleaning that shit up and it's been going on for fucking decades I've been in since 2005 when I found out I was a kid. That was my school. What? Yeah What what shot? No, no, there's real quick like like what shocks me is like How opposite a lot of these guys lives are it's literally like polar opposite like like you did a really good job I watched some of the Donovan roast finally last night like 3 a.m. Yeah, like systematically like literally a guy that's like don't date girls that aren't stunning don't get married Don't let the girl call the shots and then literally does the exact opposite And I've told that time and time again where these guys put out a bunch of claims and no there's no fact-checking That's like that's what I feel like I provide I'm not just like it's not just he said she said This is a really this is a really interesting point you bring up John because I don't know what the exact term is in psychology I don't maybe there is one maybe there isn't but it's like an inverse projection. It's not just a regular projection It's like the diametric exact opposite inverse of what they're actually doing so my wife my wife surrendered control to me It's the opposite. She fucking zone owns these guys asses and like yeah, they I don't fuck fat woman I don't fuck woman over the 40 wall. No, he this guy married a woman over the 40 But maybe he doesn't fuck his wife, maybe he just I would say the pickup community is just as bad if not possibly worse Yeah, most of your community it's ridiculous honestly Yeah, I think an outside the pickup community It might be worse. It might not be the issues It's even harder to tell because they start talking about issues that are not just banging chicks now It's like men's rights guys a red pill guys and becomes more theory-based and you know Frollo to Masi the Frot father's a great example He hides behind being married and stuff right out and I don't have to go bang chicks the realities He can't he could not have his life depended on it with a gun He said it's not gonna happen and people don't understand that and because he's at the gut and shot He doesn't have to have any results. He's married, right? He knows So that's good enough right so you get these exactly and you get these super advanced keyboard jockeys We're just losers in real life like complete fucking gamma male secret king fucking losers with hair extensions Well, that's why that's why I went I went like pretty hardcore now I was ready in a bad mood when I made that Ryan and roll a response. I play us so it's kind of fitting Let's have a look at that. Here we go. I Do you have a whole playlist of rows? I love it I Look at all this is just like there's like 30 of them, right? It just keep out there. I do 32 There's more. I didn't even comprehensively. It was like the ones that came to mind. So yeah, this is actually more You deserve a medal. I'm gonna give you a presidential medal of roasting or something You deserve it. I'm gonna get one made funny how you like formalize it You're like the president of the man is fear has been hereby deemed you excommunicated You're fucking It needs to be done man. It's order, you know, it's funny and it's tongue-in-cheek But there's a reality behind that's really gross and disgusting these guys prey on wounded men They rip these men off it's snake oil bullshit It's lies deception false advertising and any other industry, you know You could get in trouble for the shit much easier, you know Like rolling the odometer back on your car in Florida and many other states you go to jail for that shit, right? You sell the car like that knowingly But these guys roll up roll the age back on their wives and the fat woman and the hide all this bullshit You know like yeah coffee Zilla did a video on Napoleon Hill and I want to do a video on him, too But like if you look into Napoleon Hill's history, he's got Thinking grow rich. Yeah, he had like he was a career scammer Like he literally had like a Napoleon Hill award where he would go up and like hand it to a president Just so he could appear it was very clever stuff just so he could appear in newsprint next to like Like Thomas Edison or different presidents. It's like this president received the Napoleon Hill award And he like started all these fake charities He had like a fake car repair business where the labor was like he was even financing the loans where it's like Hey, I like pay me the interest, you know So he had like all kinds of scamming going on but he was like the father of self-help and then like you see like all these guys that followed in his footsteps and it's all a lot of like feel-good stuff you just throw around buzzwords you just throw around good emotions and People don't really even give a shit anymore about the results They just care more about like this guru like giving them these like emotional highs Yeah, like pain and pleasure and all of the yeah pushing or being like a little cult follower like a little What do they call it a sycophant or something? It's definitely the cold thing It's like a tribe like I identify with the role of tribe. So it doesn't matter what he says whether it's right or wrong There's no look rational thinking that goes into it. There's no critical evaluation like well And anyone who challenges them, I don't know if you guys know this I'll pull this up for you if I can real quick Let's see. I've heard me One second you guys will see them talking about So this is a great video that I will pull up boom boom Oh one second pull this up Here we go So Sean Smith is a clinical psychologist and he did a great video Going into that pergamy guys can see here and this is rebroadcast in our channel It's also in his channel has even more views and all it is is a very simple every simple But it's a very technical very clinical very scientific Like this guy is legit fucking to a 20-year clinical psychologist And he breaks down what Rola's version of a pergamy is what its origin is and like sociology and shit And then how Rola deals with it and he basically just tears it apart. It's very peaceful Like the guy's super a super nice guy in real life with savage and he's very scientific about it And Rolo couldn't handle that since Sean Smith did this video Rolo ex-communicated that guy. He hates him Just because and they had a debate right before that and dude Rolo Got his fucking panties up in a bunch because he got owned by this guy by science He got owned by reason and logic and science by guy who's I plan on doing something like this like ripping his book to shreds But yeah, I'm glad to see if someone else already did that Well, what are the main arguments he made that he was he was saying that role was wrong about I'm not super familiar with the video itself. I mean, it's pretty long 45 minute video But basically he tries to do it cap He does a good job I think encapsulating Rola's definition of a pergamy and how it's different He makes a big point out of this because Rolo I think is trying to like latch on to the social the sociology version of a pergamy like marrying up But then he's basically creating a new definition of it And Rolo is very like underhanded with this He's like brushing that under the rug and from that he gets to kind of run with it, right? Hypergamy he go. He even says all the time. I own a pergamy. I own it. I own it What he means is like just googling it like you Google it you find his shit on it He talks about it so much I love all the keyboard scientists All the keyboard groups these all the guys who like use fancy sign-sterns Yeah, they found on Google But he really gets into the role it's not scientifically backed is the problem There's no science backing it and there's no studies that back it and there's stuff that it contraindicates it I think that's I think it's what a lot of what digs into with it and it just pisses Rolo off because it's simple What what's with Rolo promoting all the scammers like like what really bothered me is they're like saying oh you have to have Like real legit clout and that this net and there's Rolo is the king scammer. He's the king of it all He's the head. He's the he's the secret like mafia leader of all the shit He's basically he's basically like the Tyler Durden equivalent in the in the red pill world. Yes. Yes Like a full-on clown Everyone worships guys like Donovan Shart Donna Shart Donna He's basically an underboss under Rolo like Rolo is truly the king fraud of all the shit and Donovan's not that smart Rolo's in the right the problem with Rolo the fraud father. He's much clever more clever about he's cunning He's not like this super genius that his fan his sycophant fans think he is it's retarded A former guitar player. Yeah, but he's not like super dumb like Donovan Donovan's like the slime ball use car salesman and he's just really that's why it was so it wasn't It was effort, you know, I had to go through a lot of effort to produce that video That is this three hour documentary just roasting the shit out of him to hell and back But it was not too hard to figure out You know when we had all this data available to me with Rolo, you have to fucking fine comb this shit He's like he's very clever about it He's much more low-key and that's why he's been able to get away with it for so long Donovan's a ticking time bomb now. He kind of was anyway even before I roasted him Now it's like get the fuck away from him. This guy's super. He's he's saying his girl's body is a hard nine And then you sure better or better What's what's crazy though is like these guys very consistently are getting below average girls below below below But that's like the key point like yeah, oh, yeah, like let's not let's not like mince Or whatever like split hairs over like a two versus three or four Everyone can agree. They're below average. So what do you know? So what and these and these are supposed to be the masters even if they're not pickup guys Yeah, what is any of this red pill knowledge worth if the end product is that they end up with a below average girl? Yeah, and I watch them sit there and try to like talk shit and all this stuff And it's like where where's that? Where's the basis behind that? I'm sitting with like countless girls that are super hot that I show and they're just like behind the keyboard Like hey guys, let's rip on him because he's making he's calling us out for spending Here's a pisses me off as guys like you guys are much more into like just banging tons and tons of women as far as I understand You worked for that you worked your fucking ass I know that I understand that Dude, I haven't done as many cold approaches and bangers may one of you have not by a mile But I've done a lot I've done like 6,000 cold approaches and shit like this and it was hard A lot of it was just being socially retarded for a long time And I was like 17 18 19 at least I put in the fucking effort in the footwork and then from there I got better and better every time and it's hurts man. It's a lot of time Yeah, that's why like when like Jake Paul came on the scene and you had like different UFC guys They were like we put in all the blood sweat and tears or like, you know We understand the shit inside out and he picked like a bad striker like Ben ask her into challenge He picked like one of the worst strikers like a ground game guy And then and then he actually put in work to learn some boxing But still the point of the matter is you don't like come into a scene where a guy Devoted his whole life to mastering a craft and then just make up a whole bunch of and there and their claims And this is an important point to their claims Have no bearing with with reality in terms of what you can really accomplish like someone like I say I close 10% of my phone numbers. That's still gave me at the time this recording 1,339 lays and it and because I had a guy come on that day. Oh only 10% like your skills must suck. It's like That's that those are the real figures Then you have I haven't even touched on the internet marketers yet that ran like how about that some Pandora's box But they're saying like 83% of people to get our system have their first three something in the first day or two And I can't compete with that and you know unless I want to lie about the the real numbers Yeah, it's true. You can't really compete with a lot of the claims that are lies because they're so outrageous Like get 99% of the girls that you open something like that. Yeah Get lay at me right now. You get laid hot chicks will come to you with no work jump on your day That's that's what girlfriend activation system did they said okay? Everyone's biggest pain point is approaching and getting like rejected What's like form it all around this this literatica thing that came from 50 shades of gray and then say all the girls We'll just approach you and of course, it's total BS But guys are baited dude wants a girlfriend to they always want a girlfriend They don't want to actually do the hard work learn how to get good with woman and then maybe do something later It's always like secretly or openly. There's one a girlfriend girlfriend I'll teach you how to get a girlfriend even though you don't get laid anyway, so you're gonna see me desperate So they really what they do anything. I've seen that I think they I think they study these beta males They really study it like what the pain is and then just play to that as best they can the fitness Initially does it too right they just study it like all the bullshit These guys already believe and then repackage and sell it like back to them their own shit They already believe but like super jack without going to gym and without following any kind of consistent. Yep in five minutes a week That's nuts. Yeah, I think like my whole brand has always been or part of it was just tell the truth And that I think that's what makes me stand out and John as well Is that like just I just say how it is and I think a lot of people respect that because 90 Nowadays by being straightforward and honest you actually the minority so you stand out But I can't count number of times people get on like calls with me or email me and they say like hey I can sense you're one of the guys that's not full of shit I can feel all the authenticity because you can't like people are very perceptive Like when someone doesn't know what they're talking about or someone isn't a real expert It's like pretty obvious in most cases unless they do a very good job of it like ours It's obvious to you though to guys who suck with women they have no idea They're just like it's the blind leading the blind or the deaf leading the blind It's like in this fucking circle like a snake eating its tail. It's fucked and then me and you could be called to shit out And what do we get we get the beta male police, right? Let's talk about the beta male police where they come on your channel And they're like this is feminine. Why are you sleeping along to focus on positive content? These little these little fucking dorks like sale the shit It's like you're a loser you're hiding behind a cartoon on YouTube. You're not real you suck Definitely suck with women. That's why you follow these fucking losers. These frauds You have no idea that they're frauds because you suck with women or at least it's linked to it I feel kind of bad for this guy But then he's like then you're coming at me like well fuck you man ban instant ban I just ban all these fucking losers death Well, yeah, I started doing that I make the mistake of debating with them But they the thing I get accused of in the commons is being needy. That's like the thing I get like Oh, you double-texted this girl. You're needy. I double-texted My mentorship group last night I said never fucking worry about double-texting again because the lead is going cold over time And it's correct in a lot of cases to follow up naturally and lots times the girls distracted when the first text comes So it is like these hard rules like I made a video where it's like Going against the ideas of being a simp being reactive and being a provider because those are just extremely abused It's like any guy that buys a girl a drink. Oh, he's a provider any guy that takes her out there He's a provider right any guy that defends himself in an argument is being reactive The guys are taught to like lay down take a beating and say hey, thanks, man You see the guys in the forums that follow RSD. Oh, thank you. Thanks, man Like and I'm like you're a fucking like blah blah blah, and they're like, thank you so much, man I appreciate it, you know It's like it's like you were to punch a guy in the face and he's like hey, man Like punch this side now Yeah, bring up how you and I came to like 90% of the same concepts without actually checking with each other I mean, there's some things that we did bounce off each other, but a lot of concepts were just we just realized Yeah, every time I mean Alex they touch base There's like a lot of the same shit that we're doing independently, which is what happened to happen to me with Frederick Nietzsche and philosophy I went through this like whole philosophical journey where I was like iteratively like Refining ideas and I would I would like find out about a particular important topics like free will or souls or The existence of God or something like this at the basis for ethics or purpose and I would like write a whole Very solid argument set of arguments on my position And I would circulate it to all my smartest friends and professors with the soul Hope that they would find problems with it so that I can make it stronger And that's what I do in the game as well Like I want people to be able to poke holes in anything I'm doing and show me ways to improve it That's how we get better. It's not all this is my system. Nobody nobody touch it I welcome that as you should to make it better And after I went through all that process and I had like a rock solid set of beliefs I discovered Nietzsche and he lined up with like everything and it like across the board and it was to me That was like even though there are a lot of minority positions To me that was like independent confirmation and it's the same and that wouldn't when me and Alex arrive at a bunch of these Same things through our own processes. It's like, yeah And we know why that stuff works because we had to go through this whole fucking path to get there But it's like you're pursuing the truth is what you're doing and you're doing it You know honestly and that's that's basically the opposite of what our enemies are doing these frauds They're just making a bullshit to sell sell sell sell sell sell sell what we ride on our enemies Let's take a look at this super chat. Thanks for the gang channel Who are the Manusphere scams and why how to know so we can get a little more specific maybe we got your whole roast here Like who's the one who aren't the Manusphere scams? That's a that's a more easy answer I would say modern life Dave modern life dating is the biggest culprit in my opinion or one of the biggest easily Presentation coming in the next part where he says he's by far the best dating coach ever and one comes close Wow, it's the most ridiculous video ever someone said oh He's driving a cab here and have to go and teaching English and he almost got arrested for an Airbnb scam Yeah, and he and there's like what's the pedophilia stuff? I think Anthony Johnson can talk to them Yeah, we did a whole roast on that called the man up her chapter one You guys can check that out It's like two hours long on our channel and I talked with the guy who's been kind of tracking MLD and going through his Instagram and stuff They're doing a good job. They called MLD is suspected pedo and I understand why and they're they're kind of accurate But I think it's more accurate to call him a child stalker That's really what he does and actually found a video finally because I was worried these photos from his Instagram They could be fake like something to Photoshop it so I was like these look real But I don't actually know but then there's a video I found our MLD goes on video pulls these pictures up and addresses them because the mixtape guys were going at him And he owns up to it. He's like oh that was not a Disney world. It was over here So he actually confirms on video and we'll go into this maybe at some point that these pictures are his and there are Little children in public this fucking what was the reason for having those The video is Matt creepy when he gets called down. He's like not dude. It was a Disney world. There's children everywhere It was like exactly. It's insane like there's no reason to take pictures of other people's children in public It's sick. It's twisted. There's a picture of Derek Moneyberg with Brandon Carter at Disney World. I Could pull somebody's up right now. Let me actually hang on. I think I have some of these still in here in a second Funny like we all get into this to like like make you know make game very very strong And now we're talking about fucking scam dating coaches. Yeah, well, this is so this is what he does These are real so I actually verify now that these are real. He's addressed some of these This is him taking pictures little children. This is another one from his These are not all Disney world. This is like all around these are him taking pictures Man what these are not his children? He doesn't know these people He just fucking goes around taking pictures of kids and then he says that they're like adorable and shit It's like bro. Those aren't your kids. You don't know this kids You know the parents like this is not okay You can get fucking you can get knocked out for this or fucking killed like imagine walked around New York doing that Or you know some American city like hey, I'm gonna take pictures of your kids that you know What's scary is it goes so deep like I didn't even know who this guy was and then guys are Messing me. Hey, I got his pandemic pickup and it looks identical to your corona pickup And then I'm like looking through my emails and I see he purchased it with modern life dating a gmail calm And he saw my novel concept that have concepts that I innovated that have never been discussed Right, and then when I call him out, he's like all the products sucked and I and he refunded it Right, but he stole the shit and then you like go down the rabbit hole and it's like he's taking pictures of kids He's copying even dead guys products. He's literally like like players cream. Here's body language mastery He's going to a dead guys content and repackaging and profiting off of it Logins to my product. He's not even bothering to put his own name on it. He's just getting real lazy Yeah, I think some of these guys so we're talking about MLD here But really it was kind of like I think a couple tiers of frauds and then outside that the hierarchy You have the internet marketers who are like mega scammers because they have a lot of money invested in right? They're dropping $100,000 a month to an a grand a month in ads. They have to big a kick-off ad Here's something here's something we can show everyone Do you know the here? We keep talking. I'm gonna I'm gonna pull it up and link you okay There's the Pandora's box. It's a team of super affiliate internet marketers Yeah That that literally just engineered it to like rip off as many people as possible has no bearing with real dating advice whatsoever, but they mad they pushed they pushed mass-paid advertising and And they basically it's like their sales are very clever It just says like Amazon Google and Facebook got together and in a classified setting and decoded dating And now it's been like unclassified That's what Facebook does because they really care about guys getting laid This is it right here Yeah, it's I know some of these guys from back in the day like you know I don't know maybe vinda Carlo and some of these guys run it They they just go down this rabbit hole trying to make money off people and they just sell their souls And they end up going bankrupt and do a lot of drugs and shit. There's fucking They're just massive mega scammers go to go to click syndicate calm Click syndicate. Yeah calm So like this this is basically like it shows the whole fucking marketing backbone This is one of the most guys meaning don't know about Pandora's box But it's like one of the most popular dating products that they just like hit men across the globe and on a mass scale So just go scroll down to their products. I look at this. It's just it says super affiliate network now There's this whole team of marketers keep going down a little bit more Okay, we go up a little bit actually that's Pandora's box Just go up a little bit right here up a little bit more Like the stats look at that. Yeah thousand affiliates all pushing this shit 30 million and payouts for affiliates now go down a little bit There's there's Pandora's box in the middle. Yep If you go down there right there, so click that the fuck is prolozyme's a dick pill or some shit It's fake testosterone products. Yeah, so look at this. I don't know if you can make that bigger or not Yep Zoom in or something This is just a full BS dating product that they're pushing they're pushing through a massive affiliate network. Yep So let's let's pause about let's talk about this though because a lot of guys don't understand this I do and you know, Alex, I think does too But these guys get together like this fucking mafia cabal of like suck on each other's dicks And then they promote this crap and they all know it's garbage. They know it's garbage 100% They don't know they don't think it's garbage. They know it's garbage It's produced like you said by like, you know Indians and India or something. They don't know anything Yep, they content harm. Yeah, but the purchase decision is made before anyone even sees inside So all they need to do is sell them on the emotional high and the and solving the pain points and empty promises Yeah, it's fucking right John. Did you say you met the uh, the owner of Pandora's box or one of those systems? Todd badass. Yeah, it was at a conference in San Diego and he took and he was drunk And he's since emailed me personally and was in was a concessingly asking me to take take down where I reference this But he says, oh, yeah, the the product's full bullshit. It's it's Todd badass It was um, it was being run on click bank and it was beating like all the other scam niches. It was beating like Skin diet muscle like all the classic like scam products even make money online It was it was dominating. I know from an inside source. They're making over 50k a day on it for a long time Wow, and who wrote the who wrote the sales letter? John Benson the famous cop writer John Benson and And he ended up like making that program called the accelerator where he like burned his own vsl formula But this was before he burned his formula and this you know, like I feel like it touched like they're pumping so much paid traffic Through there. I feel like it touched like most men in developed countries I've seen this and then when they fatigue a particular presentation They just come in with a new angle like Pandora's box They just started marketing to older dudes because they had more money and they started their whole sales pitches around Here's how an old dude can get a young hot chick It's just one little trick right and and you see and these guys get hit with this Shit and it sells in the dream and then they they get into it and then What is it? What is it called the dating syndicate? Um production syndicate. I'll have it's a whole network of scam products And what they all do is they they cross when they all have their own email list they all cross promote each other's fake products and They fucking and I don't even I've even gotten into this fucking rabbit hole on my channel yet And they fucking um, what's the other thing they do they um inside the portal inside the content portal It's just littered with upsells for for their own stuff. You can unlock this part of the bullshit content You can unlock this course from this other bullshit person And what they're doing is is just keeping everyone on this fucking hamster wheel and nobody's getting better But everyone's being sold like more and more and more bullshit. It's just a rip-off train Yeah, it's an upsell, you know insanity, you know 10 upsells in a row and it's all bullshit at every step in every stage You shouldn't need 10 products to get good at a particular area. Another big one is uh endless options I did a video on this on my channel Former simple pickup guy. Yeah, I went through. Well, I went through some of his uh content Like I actually evaluated his bio. So I made like logical point why it sucks and like it's whole dog shit He said he says he spent 400 000 on testing this bio this bio fucking sucks Like the bio I have I had five years ago when I started tinder was a lot better than his Yeah We got about 250 guys on On the stream. This is good. Um, let's get into something you actually just put out, john I want to get into the uh, this one here. I mean pulled up Ryan you just put this one up. Yeah, ryan and rollo. So ryan's busted wife And actually i'm surprised he didn't this is a good picture of how she's basically fat and kind of like very average I'd give her like a friendly five like a fat five I'll give her a four But there's this one too. I mean look at this. Yeah, you didn't use this one This is a really rough one in my opinion Look at that neck bro. It's like a turkey neck going on here like a shoulder I feel like you get you know those turkey legs get like a disney world like them big turkey legs I feel like that's their arm like the arm you just kind of see that going on All right So to me this this this like d values like just any either one of these pictures D values anything this guy could ever tell me like yes We can attack why all their technical points are wrong too. Yes We can attack why they're promoting scammers But when this is like the fucking facts here Well, there's no coming back from that to me and I've had reporters I've had like feminist reporters contact me. Do you regret calling this other coaches girl for I'm like, no, I don't actually because that's uh a disgrace to call myself an expert and to get someone that's below average objectively Look, that's not misogynistic We can all universally agree that through our attraction circuitry that girl is objectively below average on a 10 point scale And I told her that's straight up So to me it's literally the equivalent of a homeless guy with an empty bank account Saying here, I'm going to make a whole channel on me how to make money And I'm going to give you tons of advice on how to make money and I'm going to put out programs how to make money But by the way, I don't have any money You know, that's what every one of these guys is doing And then what a surprise that their content fucking sucks if their content works that they'd be using it themselves Right Yeah, it's a big scam and it's disturbing man. These guys like why ryan's actually married to that woman in canada Yeah, some of that some of that's his common law, you know, out of necessity, but he's still Why did he marry her they don't have any kids as far as I know they have no intention at kids I've talked to him about that personally one-on-one. So what the fuck is the point of marrying her? Why number one? Why is he with her? I mean, that's that's what you're addressing here What what is the story there? I don't know what He once said on the bread man group I'm pretty sure he announced this publicly on this show a long time ago when he was on it That uh, he was he met her at a party and she was like a cokehead Like some party girl like so It gets even better I haven't verified this but I think there's an old episode of red man group where he says this out loud And you know, it's like, all right. Well, you marry so now you're married to this woman. She's kind of fat She's constantly dyeing her hair. She's not that great looking She's average at best middle of the road and you're married to her and you have no kids Like what is there's like multiple layers of dumb fuckery that have occurred here What I saw in your minds off the bathroom. I knew she was the one for me Yeah, and then you can go around and and then he's going to go around and give everyone advice All right, and I don't know what's up with that. Hang on. It's worse because he isn't just giving advice Anybody could give advice, right? He claims he's basically a red pill alpha male He's supposed to give you the red pill and you're not supposed to be a beta. You're supposed to be an alpha male So this dude this fucking dude right here is a red pill alpha male married to at best a five at best Who's fat? I mean god bless her. Hope she loses weight and stuff when it gets healthy But she ain't nothing to brag about at all and this is supposed to be the basis and part of him You can pull this up again. Keep in mind. Here's another very very very key thing I was so angry in this video Keep in mind when you look at these pictures this way go back to the go back to all of donovan and the other one Where it's got them both on the screen This not only is like just a sampling of what they got. This is like the ultimate finish line The best the best. So what what happened before this is exactly exactly exactly There wasn't a string of stunners and then they're like, all right, I'm checking out of the game Dude, this is their climb at mount olympus. And this is what they got on the right This is a woman who's almost 45 years old. She's like an old lady She's gonna go through menopause like any day and that's supposed to be a nine or better a perfect 10 Maybe this is what he claims that I showed this obviously last week on that, you know, the documentary But yeah, it's it's disturbing. I wouldn't bang it I wouldn't bang either one of these girls like even if I was paid most likely like it It's like that would be like Revolting or I don't blame you Not even close not even if I was drunk Dude, your your wizard brain would kill you for getting near that shit. Yeah, it's gross So what are they so what are they doing like what I mean? We can we can keep berating these guys It's it's very obvious. But but why do they think that's why I got so fired up on the last one Is there like they're like, uh, oh, it's so easy to make this videos real content is hard Yeah, I've got almost 500 videos and I give away way too much I've had lots of guys get very good just for my free content And we're not putting on anything even remotely close to the value of that content They haven't accomplished anything remotely close to what I have in the game And they're going to just sit around like oh They like do these like very regular podcasts where they're just going to like run their mouth on basis stuff And they're just like recirculating like basis arguments Oh, what a rich column of fat can of smashed assholes ha ha and rolls like Or they go they go deeper sometimes like donovan the donna the sharp mama He goes on reddit and stuff. I think like the red pill subreddit He's just going into the sidebar of old information from guys who are long gone in the manasphere He basically recycles that it's like they find this old information that recycle almost like an old book They kind of shine it up and then package it into a product Like they steal products in different ways. They're not all they steal like mld You're saying is stealing from you guys. I don't I don't doubt you. I don't blame you It's exactly what he's doing But donovan's not doing that. He's I don't think he's stealing products directly He's stealing it from like reddit and stuff that most guys on youtube we're gonna have no clue about They're not on the red pill subreddit 19 years old, you know Speaking of reddit, let me clear the air on something because I didn't even know this was going on Someone emailed me. I remember I told I mentioned the beginning of this this uh this In this what we call this podcast Yeah, it's a podcast. Yeah, like in the beginning of this discussion here I mentioned our coffee zilla called me up and was like I received all these screenshots all this stuff And I like disproved it in like 20 ways. It was all full fabrications means someone's like trying to bury me He's like who do you think could be I'm like, oh, let's see I've been I've been going hard like at the fucking throats of like a lot of people That a lot of these guys are rich and powerful too from this scandal But what I want to address is now someone's like on a campaign to to like uh ruin my name on reddit Someone said there's like 30 reddit threads about how I'm a rapist and first of all This can be objectively disproven There I've never been accused or charged with rape ever. Okay. I've only been arrested one time in my life That was in 2013 Everything points to a setup and it was over a kidnapping alleged charge Okay, or the a real charge actually alleged kidnapping That where I just went to a car and made out with a girl in vegas who all this stuff was linked to derrick moneyberg I'm not going to get into all the stuff. I know about it But that that never once trial and there was no conviction on that charge and there was no sex in that case So all this stuff about how I'm a rapist There's it's never even been an accusation and it's definitely never been a charge. Okay, there's that's marrying you They're slandering you can look that up and and there's like 30 posts about it So I've got all these guys emailing me. Hey, what's all this stuff by how you raped a girl? Right never happened and you can look that you can look up like with my real name You can look up and and there's no record of that because it's never happened It's a destination. They're trying to It was the worst of the worst I was banned from reddit seduction. They basically uh banned me for no reason I was actively contributing. I was getting posts that had 300 400 up folks which was way more than anyone was getting Contributing a lot of value how a lot of guys yemming me and then they just banned me and I p.m. The mods and they were like Yeah, you know, some of the guys don't like some of the content you've been saying I was like, what specifically they couldn't name anything Yep Yeah, you said our seduction too. Yeah, that's different than the red pill They're both similar sizes about 300,000 guys in it the red pill community I get downloaded to oblivion every time I say something they call me a simp every time Yeah, I'm a simp for counting lathes. Do the logic on that do the do the math on that Oh, yeah, you've been with almost 1400 chicks, but you're a simp We're putting in some effort to get laid Automatically then you're a simp because you put in work Well, let's let's call it out though. The guys calling you a simp have banged like three or four women in their life Unless like they're just totally they have zero skill zero ability to call you that and they're hiding behind You know, you're in real life. You have your face identity here and stuff They're just fucking losers behind a keyboard. No, it's it's systemic to the monastery I don't think there's the demographics of it And there's not too much you can do about that except be patient over time and keep moving the manuscript in the right direction But the frauds are what has to go that I think is the real the core issue in the manuscript It's been going on for like at least 15 20 years These frauds that are they keep growing and growing and growing and since you have so much beta You have so many beta males that don't understand women. They don't understand life They don't understand a lot of anything They just earned they're in pain. They want to get better and then these frauds for comparing like vultures Oh, I froze the fuck's going on there. I'm gonna suck. We're retarded I'm gonna fix my video, uh, but I can still hear you guys We lost president johnson. I think another problem is a lot of the frauds. They all uh, they all mark it together So they're all working together. They go on each other's podcast. So they're not like us isolated Yep Yeah, and it's all fake endorsements and stuff too I mean, there's I'm gonna eventually do a video probably going through some of those But you can see the bullshit like it's a fact that they don't even know each other and they're like, yeah You were you were a killer bro. You were a slayer back in vegas or whatever It's like motherfucker. You didn't even know this guy when he's in vegas 10 years ago You're just like you believe whatever you're told to sell the fucking product and sell the affiliate get the affiliate commission It's a fucking scam The other issue I've talked about is a lot of the guys who I think are scammers So they're not uh, they're afraid to go on other people's channels who are like who think differently than them They're afraid to get to debate because I'm willing to have pretty much anyone on my channel Irregardless of how they feel uh as long as I feel like it could be an interesting content But they won't they won't come on. I had richard cooper. He's told me he wants to come on He's excited and then he just bounce. He just goes Recently Uh, this was like two months ago Oh Yeah, cooper's a loser. He's uh, he's not a me Well, he's definitely like a just piece of shit and be honest slam ball But he's not as bad as the guys like the fraud father and donovan chart and the chart malla and mld They're like mega retarded cooper's up there, but he's not top three. He's maybe top 10 or something like that And I don't think he's like He wants to like overcharge guys hyper charge them. He charges $2,000 an hour for example for phone coaching Which is to stand which is way higher even than a high-end attorney than a high-end plastic surgeon Maybe like the amount of money he's charging for basically dating coaching and I've seen him do this amount house like 10 feet from I'm sitting right now He's like he reads shit out of rollo's book to these guys the iron rules of tamasi And he charges him $2,000 an hour for it Rollo's in on the scam because he gets a book promotion from cooper's channel It's a big circle jerk and it's very like at least with cooper It's like low-key a lot of guys don't understand it except with things that are more obvious and overt like the charging for the phone coaching and Shit and the other all the other crap that he has. Yeah, but he sucks in her life with women I've seen him. I have some some evens and pictures that can probably prove that if I decide to release them We'll see I don't know about the legality of that some kind of the tepid about that But yeah, he's a loser with woman. I've seen him her life in orlando and it's bad Just But to add one quick story about mld I was really trying hard to get this guy to come on my channel and explain it But he doesn't want to anyway So it was one it's one of my mastermind members He used to be with mld and basically what happened is mld just abused him for like a year He was telling him he's a loser He's like he's a failure and this guy was like already in like kind of fucked up mental state So it just caused him to go down the path and basically this guy was on a crazy amount of anti-anxiety meds So mld told him to just quit those cold turkey like he's not a doctor He can't give that advice It's also horrible advice because anyone who knows anything about anti-anxiety meds knows you can't quit those cold turkey You have to taper off and like if he had done that he probably would have died Yeah, you can't just quit massive massive content cool turkey, but By the way guys, I want to take a quick commercial break. I want to show off the new shirt We got going we got the don adusa special edition shirt limited edition Available Can you blow up that image because I got my face hiding in the corner? I showed my assistant and he's like and he didn't see my face at first. I had to blow it up Can't see it now The better yeah, you're there It's a nice t-shirt high quality and men's staple t 21 dollars plus shipping and it ships I think got the united states in europe Anthony john anthony if you need one all the shipping they got we got tank tops too for you man special Yeah, yeah, that's my I don't I don't dress up for my cast according to ryan stone Yep, yeah, I like wearing tank tops. It's like it doesn't get cold here. So Yeah, link in the description if you guys want to buy it and support the show Destroy all the frauds get your t-shirt Put in the uh, the real the war work. Dude. I'll wear I'll wear this on my youtube videos Yeah, yeah, I'm gonna wear it eventually too. I got a couple coming to my house right now. So Yeah, let's talk some more about specifics though. We've been going through this I want to get to more specific frauds if I can get your Back to where's the idea Trying to get back to your playlist right now. Yeah So I didn't put the ryan one on the playlist yet the ryan and rollo one, okay And uh, maybe I'll go to your channel as well. Alex. You have a probably not playlist. Do you have some roast too? No, I only have one roast. It was uh endless options because I felt that one was ridiculous I've been trying to kind of bring him to the dark side. He's more uh, PC than me Yeah, yeah I mean I get it I mean you get bitched out for making this stuff But the reality is like 99 of your contents by positive same thing on my channel 99.9% of the content is just positive educational content You know, it might be a criticizing feminism or helping men learn something But basically it's just positive But you do one fucking thing to call it a fraud and people lose their shit Because it means I think it means that it shows them that they're vulnerable. They don't want to it's you know, It's a hard it's a harsh truth. They don't want to believe that they were manipulated But that's the reality That's that you're asking for what psychological principle When someone has devoted time effort in some cases money to this guru that you you like light up and totally destroy They feel they feel really bad and they need to justify in their mind They don't want to think oh, I was just duped So they want to they either want to like look to how can they discredit the one that's killing their idol Or how can they rationalize that? Okay, it's okay. He's with a two She probably has a perfect 10 personality Maybe even the best personality in the world because that would make sense then and it would keep their hero Really cool and then at the same time they're also like, yeah, hot girls aren't worth the time Anyways, they have to like they have to like twist all the real truths To like fit the story and then you're like here's more proof here's more proof and eventually like tips I think they can't cling to it anymore or they just start to hate me because i'm the one that's like Making those uncomfortable feelings inside of them. They hate you for telling them the truth. This is the bottom line Yeah, so oh, he's just crazy. He's just a psycho. He's sociopath And then they can like cling to the to the hero some more and they go back to that guy's channel and just You know try to forget about it We got some super chats. I missed by the way. I want to get into them briefly Thanks for super chats guys. I appreciate it. You guys are the Avengers of the manosphere adj Donovan reacted to your roast on fresh and fit. Please make a response Yeah, I saw it on the black belt truth channel. It's pretty brutal. It's extremely. I don't see that Yeah, it's bad. What did he what did he say? Can you can you summarize? Uh, I could pull it up actually in a second. It's short. It's like 10 seconds He uh, we'll get into it. I'll show it. I think I can pull up the audio too. I'll play it There's no defense when you show the picture like anything he said He's claiming photoshop Like I show like 150 fucking text or something screenshots, right? He's claiming photoshop Like I would spend you know, are you fucking kidding me? Dude that that video took effort All right. Let's not even get into that. It took real effort to do the research I didn't even know about his wife's age until like fucking maybe two weeks ago doing the research on this Shit, I'm like, holy fuck like that even I knew a lot of shit about him and then I'm doing more and like, oh my god This is fucked. This is mega fucked So we'll show that his response in a minute. I think I could pull it up with audio. It's short clip Uh, but then we got this one too. Sam Kilburn. Thanks for 10 dollars John anthony you have lived in many countries. Does the game differ from the united states to brazil to europe? Is one country easier to cold approach than the other? Well, one of the one of the biggest differences is that There's a lot less fat people But the real stat is that 80 of people in the u.s. Men and women are overweight So when in a place like paul 80 percent Yeah, four and five shit And I don't know that's that's overweight not not necessarily. I think like obese. It's like 30 years But but overweight, right? So but when you when I was like in poland in ukraine Um, I could go literally weeks or sometimes even like a month or two without seeing one person overweight It was like seeing someone in a wheelchair So when that happens the whole bell curve shifts because when you're on tinder It's not like cannon fodder cannon fodder cannon fodder cannon fodder. Okay, this one's you know Instead it's okay. These girls are all in shape. Which face do I like or you know, which other which breast size or ass size? but At least at first right until you determine their internals when you hang out But also the internals in eastern europe and south america and alex can test to this too Um are far better. I have a video called eastern versus western women that I can I can link in the In the thing where basically I feel like on average. I found they were more elegant more feminine more respectful They play less games. They flake less They're just cooler chicks and you can like walk up to nines and they're very receptive In a lot of these places whereas in the states. Good luck It's a and most of my ladies are from the states for the record A lot of people think like I just went and hit easy mode countries I don't think I was in any easy mode country like I never did like a thailand or indonesia I purposely avoided those places so people couldn't say that I padded my leg count with the easy mode places Some people try to say my whole leg count was in columbia I did like a three-week trip to medellin and I did a Two-week trip to bogota with alex actually and we were there together You got held you got held at knife point, right? Jesus Tom's you had you had some damage happened to your air bnb Oh, yeah, the girl shit all over my apartment after I left for a flight So we got another I'm gonna read this one out dillon center. Thanks for the 499 remember the first p-way community What happened did anthony thing brat piece and a fc adam are legit. Yeah, panduras was vinda carlo complete scam Yeah, it's complicated. I mean, uh, I'm not gonna talk too much trash about I don't even know some of these guys too much I met brat he once back in like 2006. Yeah, it doesn't Do you know anything about david d'angelo david d'angelo is the internet marketer evan peggie. Yeah, yeah, of course Empire and I actually met him in person like three years ago at a conference He's a little dweeb. He's like a little tiny like, you know Just kind of like nervous guy He married some like love coach there. They go to burning man and like I think take fucking hard drugs together I've seen and you know, he was he was no lady killer, but he but he monetizes the space And I you know, his advice wasn't all bad He's one of those people that was like straddling a little bit and like trying to give I think some good advice here and there But by no means was he like a master at the game. Yeah The problem is is like biologically we all have this need Like I heard there's a student review on my I put up on my channel recently and the guy was like everything we're doing in life is to get chicks Like we're trying to make more money and get better shape and all the stuff to get chicks And you and so that creates a big need to master this problem But it also creates a big opportunity for people to come in and make money Just promising the world and delivering nothing and then and then since most people don't take action on content Anyways, what is it like 90% of people don't even go through a product when they when they purchase it Then they can just say oh, it's because I didn't I just I was just lazy or oh It just probably works for everyone else, but not for me because there's fake reviews What do you think about this because you know, the mana sphere is not only community. It's an industry You have the pickup industry selling dating products. You have other industry, you know communities and stuff So it's a community and industry But i'm also thinking about other industries just frauds everywhere, right Self-improvement in general you've been talking about Napoleon Hill and these things Obviously in the fitness industry, especially on youtube There's a lot of frauds and scammers six-pack shortcuts was in my opinion a notorious example Basically, yeah, that was the pandora's box for fitness, right? But I think that the each industry will number one always have frauds and scammers in it You can't get rid of it. You can't get rid of violent crime. You can't get rid of poverty You can't get rid of homelessness Even in the best case scenario in a country you always have a little bit of this stuff, right? No matter what you do So I think you always have fraud and scammers the issue is that and say the fitness industry I think you have a lot self-improvement You have a lot I think in the man's sphere. You probably are the most it's probably the worst of all Maybe it's a bias I have from being in it for so long, but it's really bad I think I've heard other niches. It's it's it's most people as well. I think it's in most Most most of the guys in the fitness community. They're on uh, they're on gear, but they're pretending like they're not TRT hch dekka And they're saying an adi I do want to answer this though This guy asked me about you know the speakers and stuff brad p was never speaker Although brad p was the first guy ever invited to be a speaker at 21 That was in I invited him in august of 2006 and for lauderdale. He had like a speaking thing he did down there But I saw me met him once. I was just a thing. He never spoke sin from love systems or mystery method did speak once in 2008 AFC adam also spoke a couple times couple times With 21 convention, honestly, it's I don't uh find a speaker and do like deep research I don't I look at what they have online You know I try to make do a basic research on them like is this guy a fraud or a scammer And it's not always obvious right from distance. You have to like notice when you get close to somebody you can learn Right, I was able to do this on donovan that huge documentary roast because I've known him for all these years And he sent me all this fucking shit He basically strung himself up He put himself in a super bad position and then attacked me like a fucking crazy guy And what happened you got his your whole fucking life just got destroyed is what happened But the 21 convention is more like a TED talks for men And I'm pretty savage with it, but I'm not perfect. I can't I can't do this deep I'm not doing like FBI background checks in every fucking speaker. This is ridiculous, right? I've put them up on a stage and I try to let the audience and the manuscript decide based on the speeches, right? Maybe maybe later he gets exposed by you or someone else. Maybe by me if there's a huge problem That's rare, but that happens with rollo Obviously the father and now the don the sharp mama. That's really unusual. All right I don't usually do that, but in severe cases and extreme cases I'll do that because it needs to be done and you know, I went through that in the video But guys like you I'm glad you guys I'm glad you have the balls to go after these guys including when you have pushback from the beta mail police and shit But anyway, we have 21 convention like my have my background here It's an open platform, right? And unless and until there's an obvious problem or something I can deal with I just try to leave it as an open platform I put this dude on the stage and put a camera in front of his face And hopefully through that, you know, like what the Indians used to say like, you know The picture is the window to the soul the video is a window to the soul Especially when you get someone up in public like a public speaking stage, right? You got 100 200 guys there that's there's like pressure from that social pressure You got lights you're hot you're sweating there's audio the shit going on there's video cameras everywhere That to me should eventually reveal somebody like I think you know in the end of the day all the stuff with rollo You should be able to look at him on a stage and determine this guy's kind of a dork He does not have good bug good body language. He does not stand strong. He's not a confident adult man He's just like wispy whistly weirdo with like a like a failed guitarist like you're saying And I think actually him speaking and putting himself out there on podcasts and especially on stages And that's a great set. Yeah, it's done. It's so demonstrates. It's so anyway I'm not perfect man. I do my best and Term like suspension of disbelief Like like when I actually bought into the kool-aid because because when like when tyler rsc tyler was making all these claims You just assumed they're true like in the very beginning. I was I was like, wow This guy's like a rock star like this guy's like so amazing I hope I can get to his level one day and I signed up for a program with them Yeah, and I was at 103 lay count And it shattered my whole world at that time watching him get relentlessly destroyed I actually spent a bunch of the the program even though I pulled multiple times in the program I spent a bunch of the program Uh following him around Watching these terrible reactions and I would go up to the girls after me like hey, like that's my body What do you what do you think about that guy weird creepy awkward gay cringe? like Like countless reports of that and then I caught him in a bunch of lies Like he would go home alone and then the next day. He's telling a fully fabricated story about pulling his stunner Or what chick is ever going to be like look at picture of tab like, you know, I really want to fuck this guy I made a video where I showed a girl in Portugal. I'm like it was not Prescripted or anything. I never shown it hurt him before and we were out like on a date And I was like hey and we did like a thing with to the camera I'm like look at this guy and she's like oh and she like watched a little bit of the video She's like it looks like he's trying really hard It looks like he's faking and women pick up on this stuff very quickly. They have like advanced You know social circuitry based on how their brains are wired 10 times more white matter and Um And people are like, oh you're so beta trying to have like women comment about it's very relevant This is everyone's hero. This is everyone. This is like it's like getting rid of Santa Claus Like you always children growing up in Santa Claus, and then you're like there's no Santa Claus Well, there's no fucking whip a manslayer known as that woman's there. I tweeted that way the night actually I killed I killed Santa Claus for a lot of guys I mean there's thousands of comments under that donovan documentary the truth about him It's brutal. I mean these guys what I actually read killed a lot of these guys and it was hard I had to go with rollo. It was effective, but not super effective But donovan that was brutal I mean this guy this comments on that are savage and it's guys who used to like him Their eyes were fucking opened up. They were enlightened. They said they were and now they're angry and they should be angry They got defrauded and scammed But it took a huge amount of effort to do that at a high level like that Which is good. I think there's a there's a range of exposure we need to do in these guys These hit videos you're doing, you know 10 20 minutes is a good I think long videos and extreme cases are good too Like with derrick moneyberg I put out maybe like five to ten videos on him And when you search his name like they all just pop up and then like spend the cornelia and like coffee zilla They like jumped on the bandwagon and are ripping into him too and I actually got an email I don't think I've announced this publicly I got an email that was like if you don't take down the derrick videos I'm gonna fucking find you and kill you and it was like I'm not fucking And we tried to trace into a sort of vpn and all this shit and I didn't fucking take it down I have various forms of uh protecting myself out here, but you know they're You know what what do I do run run, you know cater to these fucking death threats online and then and then these fuckers, you know They're gonna fucking uh You know like put all this shit up. Oh, he's a rapist. He's a rapist. He's a rapist people are trying to feed cough Like there's people like trying to just annihilate my reputation online Like modern life dating claimed on I haven't seen this someone emailed me Hey, he's claiming on a live stream on a live stream your girlfriends at escort Like the one the growing brand your channels at escort. I brought on a whole bunch of videos Like I said thousands of pictures with her from we've been dating over a year Like I have like more proof in the world than I it's such a dumb claim anyways but You know those people trying to fabricate stuff to ruin my credibility to say oh, he you know he Even rc uses this back in the day when I first started attacking tyler. They were put they were circulating around the community Uh, they started the rapist thing, but it was just fully fabricated I said never been charged or accused of rape They also said I was threatening tyler's kids. I didn't even know he had kids So so these guys take really low low blows and then that that information's like the telephone game That information circulates around and they're like, whoa, what kind of guy is this threatening people's kids and raping people Well, they're addicted to money They'll do anything to keep them the money train flowing including destroy your reputation reputation with false claims and bullshit Or something after a crime Yeah, exactly. Yeah, and I you went to that last time right on our on red man group. I think what happened with that Let's fuck that That's yeah, that's like a private thing because you know, there's various things I can't talk about but um, You know Like at the end of the day like for all those people to think That this is all just marketing trying to like stir up drama or other people are hating or one of the most common comments I see is like uh Those who focus on others are like like shouldn't be listened to like focus on yourself and like The fact is that this whole industry is dominated by a whole bunch of people that do not belong here That are not giving value. Everyone's about like giving value making a video is not giving value I support this conclusion 100% Making a video is not giving value. It's it's like it's like if you're dumping a whole bunch of sludge in the in the ocean And you're like, yeah, like we're adding to the to the ecosphere of the ocean No, you're fucking destroying it all these guys are making guys Like extremely frustrated extremely depressed extremely lonely I I speak to these guys on the phone every day I see the end result and I have for a decade of all the guys that that get chewed up spit out and fucking end up in a mental hospital or end up broke End up extremely depressed that end up in a 10 times worse place than when they came here seeking for help And even though I fucking swear and i'm like ruff around the edges and all this shit I actually do care about these guys because I actually came from extreme extreme social anxiety and general anxiety Where I was like the most introverted guy out of 700 people in the whole fucking high school Where I was like afraid to leave the house at some points for for fear of having panic attacks in public And like never in a million years did I expect to be on the other side But in a way like I I really feel for these guys And I I really enjoy optimizing their system each of these guys systems when they come through my training from a Like a game perspective and I just love the game It's fun to optimize other people's strategies because I can't optimize my own that much anymore But I see over and over and over it's always the same story Hey man, I went to this guy and this guy and this guy and this guy I don't have no idea what i'm doing and also the like the the side note is now i'm acting super weird And I've lost a lot of time and money And i'm ready to give up and what then they have then they're hating the monastery They end up hating pick up they end up hating everything because they got burned by fraud It's fucking sick and guys are like ultra skeptical I always tell the story but the 28 year old virgin that came to me from the uk He had taken three rc programs of todd v in natural lifestyles and one other one Everyone promised him the world no one delivered shit. He spent literally tens of thousands of dollars He was very very depressed ready to give up like bordering on on being sort of suicidal And I I showed him here's all the stuff we're going to do the results have gotten He's like everybody else said this stuff too, man I don't and then they're very skeptical against me even though I have a real system But he took the the leap of faith lost to virginia on day four and got eight new girls in eight weeks And it's like And that's better than most that's better than 99 percent of the community I would say in that time frame a girl a week not many guys are doing that Yep, right. So no, that's super sad. Yeah, log guys are getting ripped off and then they join the uh Insult community because they think that game doesn't work Yeah It's it's a fucking shit show. I mean i'm glad we're doing something about it I mean, there's there's no way to heal it if we don't do something about a period If there's not action taken that's progressive and positive in the right direction That's never going to change It's it's just gonna get worse and worse and worse in this fucking snowball of fraud And it's it's sick man. I know I was like you I grew up and I stuck with girls I found the pickup community and over a period of years and hard fucking work I changed that and so I can empathize with these guys, right? But even from day one one of the reasons by the way that 21 convention I think I pulled up here You know one of the reasons I started my company and I even specifically the videos are free to the world The speeches the whole purpose of that's because I hated the frauds even back in like 2007 when I made this decision I was like these fucking products are so expensive and half of them suck anyway They suck in quality like the filming sucks and all that and then there's a half of it's bullshit. Anyway This guy's like a loser probably so just piss me off. Even it's like I was 18 years old I'm like fuck these people. I'm gonna make a better product and it's gonna be free It's not gonna be maybe the be all into all the world, but it's gonna be really fucking good It's gonna be free better quality zero price better content as best as I can anyway Yeah, it's sick man these guys guys I always tell guys I can I can explain all of night game in about 60 to 90 minutes Like all the ins and outs of it and I get guys the economy taking 12 rc programs Is what are you doing on those programs and they don't know what to do in an iCloud? What what's happening on those programs? It's like it's like if you took 12 things in any field to get better and you were like worse than when you started What what is the conclusion there that it's your fault? When and when this is happening time and time again, whose fault is it? Is it just a whole bunch of of guys that just can't apply the principles? They don't want to face the real truth of what's really happening Yep, I think I gotta get in on these uh roast videos Exactly exactly go after them we got two super chats by the way to get to and uh, this one's pretty good I think we can all hit social youtube So what's your guys opinions on followers of rollo rich donovan becoming resentful and hateful towards women? Thanks for their advice their shitty advice I think it's fucking horrible I didn't even to be to be honest I wasn't too too familiar with red pill because I was focused on the pickup stuff until the past Bunch of months where I've been going on that rabbit hole of seeing like it's the same exact problem in the pickup world But now you have i'm getting on the phone with these guys and they're giving me like the whole background And what's kind of funny is like some of these guys are like jacked and like very confident And they're like single-digit lay count and they're like red pill theory experts But they still have no idea how to because no one's teaching them dating strategy And they're like dude like to be honest like all that content is like very Toxic and I'm like very hateful and resentful towards women. I've heard it countless times So the effect of that content is to be a mental masturbation theory junkie And then like not like women and try to be like warring against women And I think that's extremely unhealthy and it's not even necessary Alex there's a bunch of lies that are told as truth in the red pill community You have hot girls or horrible to be around Yeah, you don't want you don't want to have a hot girlfriend because she's going to be miserable And people say that as if it's like a objective at least The coaches are consistent with that. Yeah At hot girlfriends, they're not like not visible to be around this is like the dumbest logic ever I will say that this guy says everyone was hooked on rsd and let's call rsd You guys have been talking about them a little bit Now they're kind of you know, they're reconfiguring how they operate in the business and model and the branding and all that shit Whatever, it's still rsd, right? I think they had the biggest cult ever in the atmosphere in terms of like something that approached a real cult They had a real and I've met a lot of these guys in real life and they're they suck with women And there's super hardcore rsd It's like there's so many other options like why are you obsessed with rsd? They were obsessed to the point of absurdity. It's weird Because they put out all the content they put out a lot of advertising and they reached a lot of people A lot of people were obsessed with pandora's box and tawa badass. I got on the phone with the guys Hey, I've been implementing tawa badass for years. I've been with one girl I'm like, hey, you know, it's a scam system, right? Oh That makes sense now I think the years has only gone worse over the years in 2015. They were better than they are now They used to at least give a little bit of value. I think when I got into game 2014 There was some decent content coming from rsd all those old videos have been taken down You can't find the old practical videos That doesn't exist anymore. They crossed a lot of lines though, too They they this is like for a fact. I told the reporter this from Australia They were actively advocating that when a girl when you're pulling and a girl's trying to like Like friends are trying to contact her to like disable her phone or hide it which is Straight illegal blatantly illegal. Whoa They're pushing that in videos and on the forums. It's not slander. That's a fact. I have screenshots of it That's sick. That's sick, man. It's fucked up Another super chat to get to by the way. Thanks for the five buck roos jake rickville snick Anthony I was saying a video. My name's not Anthony. It's john. But okay. Uh, he's asking about this is me I think he's asking about Oh, why didn't you why didn't you expose donovan after seeing his old fat wife? This has been in the comments and I've actually been responding to it a little bit on the video Uh, basically it's complicated and I plan to do a formal video response to this specific question Maybe a few of them because I actually wanted to put this in the original video But then I cut out like four segments at the end to keep it under three hours long So I realized I was gonna make four hours long. I'm like, I can't fucking do that This is like stupid who the fuck's gonna watch a four-hour video three hours is pushing that already. I mean, it's like absurd, right? But why don't you do it sooner and you guys were friends too? You're not just gonna just throw someone on the bus. Yeah Exactly. I mean, that's yeah, that's why I say it's complicated I met her in 2018 with him and the first thing I thought in the middle of running a huge fucking conference I was the biggest conference ever did it was like I'm so jealous. No, yeah The first thing I saw was like this guy could do a lot better than this chick. Why is he with her and that's when she's dolled up That's when she had everything. She was dressed. You know, she like a dress on or something all the makeup and shit I'm fucking on two. I'm on like, you know less than two hours of sleep for five days in a row I don't have time I take an I take a mental note of it But I'm not like all right Don as a fat girlfriend destroy him immediately Like this is stupid. You can't operate that as an entrepreneur, right? You take note of it and then you just kind of keep things cool And then over time the lies built up with Donovan basically at the end of the day What happened was Donovan told a lot of lies not just to me to a lot of these guys These secrets these dark fucking secrets and he wanted good men to like hold the fucking shit bag of these secrets And it's like bro, I'm not gonna do that Especially if you're gonna fucking attack me you're crazy your fraud need to be called out anyway And now you've attacked me like multiple times repeatedly trying to fucking, you know assassinate my character in public Fuck you time for you to die. What was the final straw in that relationship? Like what was the other thing that he did where you're like Yep, uh, let me basically attacking me recently like I had talked to him in months He he walked away from 21. He wanted me to film his events and shit and all this bullshit for him like film film film And I thought about doing it to make money And then I was like nah, this guy's fucking seriously fucked up. There's a lot of bullshit going on people But now he's toxic and he's dangerous. I want to get away from him. He's dangerous like a bomb It's gonna blow up Which I think is what's happening now because he's a fucking fraud if it wasn't me It was gonna be somebody else who took him down and it's so I was like I don't want it even if he's gonna pay me all this money to film a shit I don't want it. I don't want 30 40 thousand dollars to film your shit because you're a fraud and you're gonna It's gonna explode in your face and I don't want to be a fucking around you when it does So he walked away from me and then months go by and then he starts attacking me And then I let it go. I'm like, oh man, I want to fucking kill this dude. Nope Let me let it go see if he walks away. Nope attacks me again. I'm like, no now. He's dead I was a shitty attack. So I have a video out about me now John Anthony exposed and they're basically ragging at me for putting up infield footage of an Asian student pulling a six foot white girl and they're like, oh, All the white coaches just want to like show like a token Asian poll I have lots of Asian polls lots of every other city pulling on camera But it wasn't nothing was exposed It was just like showing like me with infield and they're like, oh, I think he helped on that poll There's nothing exposed. So when Donovan attacked you was like there. Was there anything actually exposed? No, he's just lying. I mean I almost went through that in a segment Like the specific lies as the initial plan was to address some of the specific things He was lying to me about and I did go through a few of them And like Candace Owens to fend molly new hypocrisy of that and shit like that But he was also saying he never trusted me and all this bullshit And I have text after text after text where this guy asked me serious shit in life Not just about the private marriage He wanted me to like represent his business to apple and stuff on like the app store like Legally represent his his fucking app on the app store. I'm like, you don't fucking trust me You wanted me to like lie to apple and like be like potentially in thick and legal trouble for this You don't trust me. I don't I shouldn't fucking trust you number one But all kinds of shimmy told me his real name. He told me his wife's real name. I'm like You didn't trust me. You definitely trusted me. You're just saying it now because you're butthurt ex-girlfriend You're butthurt little bitch because you keep trying to attack me attack me attack me And I fucking keep walking away. I'm like walk away, dude. Walk away. You're gonna get killed You're gonna get killed walk away, man. And what happened now? You got fucking slaughtered People say it was the smoothest kill ever on youtube smooth, man. Flawless I gotta watch I haven't I haven't uh, it's like three hours, right? I've seen parts now Yeah, I watched the whole video. It was definitely very my modern life dating my modern life dating assassination is like five six months in the making And I've been pressing my assistant like we have to wrap this up We were promising it for Christmas And then we people keep sending more shit and then we keep adding to it But it's like over a hundred slides. It's going to be a multi-hour thing as well So I think I think there needs to be more of these like thorough Thorough like nail in the coffin type videos Rather than just way to do it because you know, they want don't even was trying to bait me Basically trying to I knew what he was doing. He was full shit like when he was getting interviewed by john samas John samas didn't know he's just interviewing donovan, right? He didn't I mean maybe he knew something suspected it Like he talked about later on Tony's show Tony Bruno's channel But I knew what donovan was doing He's trying to rile me up trying to rile me up to bait me into fucking going on there And then him screaming at me or something or trying to lie and shit more and in the heat of the moment You can't just prove that I can't pull up fucking text off my phone in the mid-live stream I was like no, I'm gonna fucking chill out I'm gonna think about this how I want to respond what I want to do and then I'm gonna act I'm gonna like analyze it, you know, plan it execute and fucking take action. That's exactly what I did I wasn't dumb enough to get roped into him trying to yell at me or curse at me or something on Or you know, whatever attacked me this doing any of these guys would would be brave enough to fight in a ring Zero join them have fighting skills. No, it's all it's all bullshit. I was gonna challenge I actually had in the rich cooper response. I didn't I didn't mention this yet alive I had a whole thing challenging him to a fight and I have I have like extensive like Muay thai bjj krav maga and machita karate all these all these guys people kept saying donovan's gonna fight me I'm like bro. Are you fucking kidding me? Like I know this guy this guy's a huge It sounds like bs to talk like that But I think it would be like fun It would be a fun event to televised beating one of these guys asses He will literally know it will never happen because the number they'll never get within 10 feet of you They're scared of you like I have texts of mld Rich is a big guy though. He's a big dude, but he's a big pussy. He's a big beta male Going his old channel. He's all these old channels on youtube. You can see what a fucking loser He is what a fucking beta male Although he's on trt and shit now he talks about on his channel and steroids and shit That doesn't make you a badass. He's still a fucking huge pussy by the end of the day Now people think oh, he's good. Me and Alex both are on trt right now as well Yeah, that's fine. Yeah, nothing wrong with prt But wasn't wasn't he married to uh some single mom or something like that? Yeah, yeah I think you got a divorce right too, which I think is fine. I have nothing against single moms But I think if your whole message is don't go for single moms if you're an area single mom Yeah, exactly. It's the it's the hypocrisy. I mean everyone's gonna have an opinion and on these issues and stuff Even like something of trt It's when you're gonna lie about it or pretend you're some hard ass You know for doing these things and you're very hypocrite too, right? Yeah, you know don't it was bitching about make woman great again. Why are you wearing the hat bro? Why is it on your woman? Like what the fuck you doing? Like it's just stupid man a lot of The quick note with the trt like um I don't I don't think I mentioned much on my videos But I started a couple years ago because my levels came out like low very low 300s like 305 something like that Which is like level in that year old man. I think I fucked my endocrine system Uh just with some I've been drank almost daily of 15 years And I was also like getting shitty sleep being out of the clubs, you know very late not not sleeping very much Um, and I used to have like a fairly poor diet just you know going hard at night game and stuff can be Uh pretty toxic on the rest of your life for in terms of like health living a healthy life Um, you know so so my my levels were just low But if you do the research in the trt, it's not like steroids And it's just putting your levels back to where they were when you were like in your low 20s late teens We're not even meant biologically to live much past 30 anyways with modern medicine and all this stuff All you're doing is just putting it back to where it should have been before so Um, yeah, that's why and what what did you take? What did you get? Were you low level as well, Alex? I was super low. I had lung disease. I had chronic lung disease from I was pretty much bedridden for six months after that my testosterone levels were shot Yeah, yeah, these guys will never fight. They won't even it's you got to be kidding me, man These guys are massive fucking losers like they're so fucking mld Mld is a trial at stock in the one Do you know if the head you have to be to stock children around them? That's extremely fucking weird. That's one step. I don't understand the whole story So he's just posting random kid pictures on his own instagram saying like how cute I'll show you right now It's crazy. It's fucking. I've never seen I've never seen anyone do this and post it in public It's insane people people showed me too that he was he was following a tranny and liking a tranny's shirtless photos Yeah, this one or something like that. I don't know. It's like gay stuff. I don't know So there's there's if you go to, um, mixtape dictionary You'll see videos where they go into this more extensively. We do on the man over just wall chapter one But he just takes pictures of children constantly and calls them cute and stuff They don't even know they're being photographed. These kids are running away from them This was in japan or I assume It's mostly in japan. Yeah, he's at the pub. Why is he taking pictures of these kids that and and he's playing in She's like a peeping tom like on little kids and shit, man Why is he taking a picture of this girl on cute braids? Why what is the purpose of this fucking picture? That's super weird I just found out recently we we have like 20 or more damning things before this even in the The long video we're gonna do on this fucking retard Yep So this is a really I just want to show this one. This is really fucking weird This is a little girl in japan with her mom or dad or something Why is he taking a picture of this little girl? What is the fucking purpose of this? He has tons of this shit like that is there's no plausible He even owns them on video like I took that it wasn't it was not a disney world It was at this place and it's like I think of the fuck where you were. Why are you taking pictures of children? There's no legitimate purpose to doing this without someone's consent zero zero There's no legitimate purpose of doing it even with someone's consent like why the fuck would you take a picture of this little girl? Yeah, exactly It's like bad enough that he's ripping our products that he's like making up tons of shit That he's in bed with like trainees or ever married Japanese chick all this stuff and then and then on top of it. He's taking pictures of kids It's like it's like he's already it's it's already like a steaming pile of shit And then you're adding in like like potential pedophilia in there Pile of shards man when you got shards you got the shits, bro Yeah You're gonna have all your memes in one place some of them are pretty good. Yeah, I'm trying man I'm working my mean magic bro the mean magic. It's good shit, man Have you ever had like because I had guys come and try to put strikes on my channel over the video Have you had anybody like try to privacy complaint and strike down your as of yet? No I was I was concerned about that with Donovan because I knew he'll do that channel That's all you're like to the youtube reviewers. Let it be known that Yep Yep, because if he goes after now it's suicide He'll lose his channel instantly if a youtube employer contractor reviews that video and they find out he's evading multiple channel determinations He's fucked instantly if you're evading a channel ban. They will instantly ban you again as soon as they find you Which is exactly right now They will in a heartbeat if they find them. Yeah, he's bitched about this repeatedly in public I used to talk to him about it. He would get banned off youtube. He'd start a new channel It would get banned I'd build a new one He does it all the time. He's been banned off twitter. They keep finding them and they ban him youtube It's happened two or three times. It's a matter of time. It's a ticking time bomb until they find him Anyway, whether or not I did anything. He's just gonna lose his channel because he's a fucking idiot So That's probably the only thing I can sympathize with because the cancel culture isn't saying I found my facebook group banned It is I just have no mercy and no sympathy for them because they're fucking frauds I'm like, yeah, cancel culture is gay, but you're a fraud scamming people out of money So I don't really give a fuck at that point rsd I had a super super super valuable facebook forum where I was posting almost daily with just a massive value Thousands of guides in it and I made a post that said here's like all the dirt I have on all the rsd instructors within a day or two the whole group got nuked And then I was at a conference in poland I had an instagram where I posted like 300 girls in a row and I said I was ripping on tyler and then I said here's my I said here's my Here's my instagram make sure you guys sub or whatever follow and um It went down during the talk so they killed my facebook group full value They killed my instagram and then on my youtube they've put like five strikes over the years I was those who don't know it's three strikes and they take your channel down But they reached out 90 days and I had two strikes on a few different occasions But I got a lawyer involved and basically like dropped the hammer on them They haven't struck a video since because what they're doing is abusing the copyright system They can do their channel over that I know I'm ready to I have an attorney too from a company that I've untapped it for a while And I like a couple years and they fuck with me. I'll go to war with them hard and hard instantly as fast as I can I don't want to lose my channel. I would publicize the whole thing too Oh, yeah, for sure They'll do they'll take my channel down if they find any opportunity to do so We've never had a channel strike though ever and I don't ever want one I hope we never do but if they find an opportunity, they'll do it just just to keep the fraud going They don't care about it's all bullshit. Let us lie and manipulate the system like you're saying Yeah max max put one on me recently and I feel that one And the video is filled up nice. Fuck yeah Fuck these frauds man. I got a burn dude the fraud father tales from the rollo pill all this He looks like Yeah, he's probably 53. I think 53. I love that show. That was a good show Yeah, I got this This keeps going man. It's so easy. There's such losers that it really inspires me. You know, that's why they get so good Like I really hate them because I know what pieces of shit they are in real life more so than guys I don't even know like I know the rsd guys are saying a bunch of losers a bunch of frauds I get it. They're a bunch of scammers, but I know these guys The rollo has been sitting right here with me at this fucking table at my house I know this guy, right? I know these rich cooper and rhinestone these guys I know what fucking losers there and I know a lot of obviously with donovan the sharp mama that went There was a three-hour documentary I created off that fucking scumbag That's also it pisses me off. You know, I was like very visceral experience with these guys You know first name first hit, you know handshake kind of basis. That's what makes me so fucking mad. It's like I know these guys I know for I worked for rsd in 2012 Yeah, and I saw firsthand countless lies and countless fabrication of results and skills I witnessed it personally and I lived with manhor that who used to be a popular coach in the pickup world He was a 21 twice Yeah, and he was like rst's best kept kept secret as Tyler's only been with 50 girls and he was like You know, this was it was years ago, but but still he was purporting. It was like this giant number Um, and he was saying he's like I've caught him on like over a hundred lives And I caught him myself personally and I tell the stories of my channel But guys cling to this idea like they're like no way man like they try to make arguments like Oh, uh, you know, they said a lot of bad stuff about him in the book the game But he's already explained to us that that was all like just people hating and I believe that too back in the day Hang on you said that you caught Tyler lying to you a lot, right? And that's kind of what led you on him being a huge liar. That's how I got rollo I used to be a big rollo fan genuinely 2016 I was I don't know if I was like a Tyler fan, but I bought into the hype. It's hard not to Yeah, exactly the rollo man when I found rollo stuff, you know, I was like I had a long pickup background But not this red pill shit. It was very interesting to me as captivating and I was a huge fan of rollo Genuinely, that's why you know in the end it was such a big head fuck for people like what the fuck happened Because I was a big fan of rollo. It was genuine. That was real I was a really big supporter of him and then I caught him lying to me about small stuff Very small stuff at first at the convention in 2017 And then a few weeks after he came he came back to our land of first to meet my little yinopoulos The speaker that was speaking at something else We wanted to meet him and get him at 21 the convention But I caught him he kept lying to me even socrates one time He lied to socrates in front of me me and socrates at the same time basically And we kind of looked at each other like did you catch that and I was like, yeah, I fucking caught that It was a lie and it's small shit. That doesn't matter, right? You know airport shit. This and that Uh, there's different this little tiny stuff. I even caught him for example filming a speech at the convention That I told him like three times in the speech don't film it You can film it for five minutes and then cut it off rollo is like, yeah, I got it. I got it I got it. I'm like, okay. What does he do? He films the whole fucking thing I'm like, are you fucking kidding me? I fucking told you to your face three times I have to film this fucking thing the whole thing and you film the whole fucking thing And he's like, oh, I forgot. I'm like, you didn't fucking forget. You're just lying to my face Like don't ever fucking do that again. I'll kill you not literally maybe but that's kind of that was kind of the Adity like no fucking lie to me in my own house in my own convention You're gonna sit there and fucking lie to me. That's my house motherfuckers in my rules Don't film this shit. I told you you could film it for like five minutes. You film it for fucking 65 minutes. It's on your fucking twitter. Take it down. I'm gonna fucking strike it So it was a little stuff at first and I was like, man, this is a big alarm bell It's a big red flag because when people lie about small things, they lie about big things When you catch people fucking lying to you about little tiny shit It's like motherfucker like there's a liar as someone who can't stop lying It's a compulsive liar like donovan donovan never stops lying like rollo the compulsive even about shit He doesn't need a lie about lie That's how it was me and david swift Yeah, you know, you know who david david is He's a little fat guy My old business partner used to lie to me about the dumbest things ever Yeah Just showing off more memes just to get the stirrup cognitive dissonance and these guys This is actually a pretty important meme because rollo This is how actually rollo sells the rollo pill. It's a little miniature cult or like internet cult He uses the red pill. He kind of steals it from the red pill community Which has its own issues you guys can criticize that or not all day long That's distinct from the rollo and they over the years They've actually gotten away from rollo to get they get annoyed by him And they kind of see through his bullshit too So he used to be this like hailed godfather there and now that's not really the case He's been exposed by the guys there like glo and stuff that attack them For pointing out that he's a fucking massive hypocrite this fucking loser boomer guitarist That doesn't know how to bang women talking to a bunch of guys about how to bang women. It's it's absurd It is truly truly deeply absurd. That's that's the thing like and you see it time and time again like, um You know Just thinking of random examples like the like alex social, um alex foreword natural He's tried to kill himself a bunch of times. He's depressed. He's like a massive debt Like still has a massive all cause problem. Those are all i'm not knocking out of those problems But then he claims to be the ultimate Internals guy the ultimate like you know, here there's no reason you're not enough but he's living the exact opposite It's that inverse shit that inverse projection, man. That's yeah, that's that's what I have a big problem with like don't claim to be like The ultimate internals guy and take selfies in the bathroom crying in the bathtub saying i'm sad right What was uh cooper bitching about you on twitter looks like he was attacking here. Can you open that? Yeah, well Scan scan until you see I post the tweet. Well, there's me showing that. I don't live in a box I actually live in a two-story penthouse. Uh scroll a little bit more There we go All right If your pua icon is claiming to be of 1500 plus ladies, it's 1339. He's doing that for effect Uh looks like a fat can of smash assholes looks poorer lives in a box So no amount of game solves that lie. So I went on I showed here's a two-story penthouse Here's girls that are living here What else? I have a video that's over an hour long where I show all the proof of banging over a thousand girls Um, the looks poor they all have a problem the fact that I wear tank tops right and stone was like You know, oh, it's so I'm not going to put on a fucking like nice shirt or a suit or something like that. I don't give a fuck And you know a lot of those guys anyways are just doing images for the camera This is my channel is pretty raw and real and stuff. I'm aware that we're whatever the fuck I feel like wearing Right, so it's not not relevant, but he couldn't even mention my name ryan and in um In a rollo couldn't mention my name and they're trying to reiterate his points Oh, what did rich call him a fat can of smashed assholes? I'm showing like here. I am in great shape Like you're all very passive. They're very passive aggressive example. They are because they're beta like men Men who are masculine don't do that shit. Oh that one guy. No motherfucker. What's my name? Say the name Call it out. That's what I said in the video. Did you watch that video? I haven't seen it I was I was like say my name pussies the next time you guys talk about me I know you're gonna watch this say my fucking name like what's the and then in their logic They're probably thinking oh, don't give that guy any exposure. You know people go check out his channel Maybe find some real info on this stuff. Most of it was pussies. They're scared to fucking go after you I mean they don't like be mentioning your name anyway Just to fucking prevent anybody from even finding you but trying to basically manipulate and control the audience Is why they do that it's passive aggressive because they're weak beta males Or hey, they hate conflict. They can't deal with it. They are scared of you attacking them. Like they'll never fight you That'll never happen Everyone keeps saying that like fresh and fit and um Enrollo and ryan like respond instantly to any kind of haters or any put any person like talking crap And they're like they're all silent about what you say like that really says something Yep, I'm trying to all they do is all they do is get hateful claims I think I might have found this. Yeah, here it is. I found the Donovan video. Let me see if I can get I'm gonna work with it. Go ahead Yeah, but my point was um with with the rich stuff. It's like he doesn't know anything about me about my gamer and like that He's just they they think that's like the big argument is that I live in a studio apartment or basement I've already shown it's a two-story penthouse. It's like actually a really big place Um, but they're just trying to make like pot shot attacks because I'm coming at their friends And they're promoting all the classic scammers like like rollo. Rollo brings modern life dating and myra on their shows Yep, right. They're all they're all it's like the dating syndicate They're all it's a whole bunch of scammers cross promoting each other And and getting each other's backs and then anyone that comes at them They try to just like add hominem attack them Well, the irony is that rollo and his blog for years the fraud father would bitch and bitch and bitch and bitch endlessly Look at his blog just type grifter and all the snake well shit He bitched about all the shit for years and what does he do? He's the kingpin of fucking promoting this crap now, right? All these courses and all those bullshit these losers that don't have any game They have no game. They have no understanding of women. They have no positive relationships with women They have no receipts. They don't bang any hot women. They almost don't bang any woman at all And don in the sharp mom's case. He has bangs of fat old woman. I mean, it's crazy Like this dude brags that his chick is like 37, you know, and this hottie and shit and she's disgusting and old That's that's reality, you know, no hate. I mean if you're fat and ugly I mean, it's just kind of way things are you can improve it. I guess but don't fucking look at it and tell me It's a 10. It's like this is this is absolute fraud. It's sick Give me give me two seconds to piss you guys continue. Yeah, I'm gonna take a piss as well. Hang on one second. Okay Commercial break guys. I'm gonna actually video set up as well. Why uh We're going here We'll pull up. Uh, oh here we go. Wait Yeah, perfect All right, we're getting this ready for you guys. I'll play when they get back so we can have some responses for y'all Uh, in the meantime, make sure you check out the new donna dusa Uh, there we go The t-shirt. I hope you guys pick it up. Check it out It's a hot new shirt 21 dollars a couple of variations of it. You got different colors and shit different sizes You got the tank top for you, uh, alpha gym bros. Do you know gym meatheads? Congratulations You can wear it and show your support and show your support against the frauds I'm gonna go through the chat with you guys as well and see what's going on here There's so much chat. I can barely fucking keep up today Let me see what's up It's like a cult the way the pram people. Yep. It's sick, man. It's sick Someone needs to crush mld. Yep. I'm hoping john anthony comes through with that And now he's talking about this big video on mld. That'd be great I just uh, I could do one. I just don't feel like doing it. I'm just kind of tired of doing it Obviously, I just put a huge one out. So I'm hoping that's a good one Yeah, I don't care about Oh god, I'm ld. I've had an assistant. Um, like I've been sending countless emails on stuff. He's compiled 100 Slide thing and then we have like tons of video clip footage. It's gonna be like it's gonna be like what you did at donovan Yeah, good. Yeah, slaughter man. Flawless victory, dude. It's like moral combat, dude. Fucking chop his head off When do you think you're gonna come out? Um, I'm really really I've been really pressing my assistant to finalize it So I'll I'll I'll come into this week like 100 this week And you need memes to make some memes, dude. Yeah. Yeah, let's fucking get some buzz going around it He responded to the first one the first one. I showed proof that he copied my product And in a bunch of other stuff and he got on his little hot hot dude queer party Stream and said his main his main rebuttal points were oh, he got it wrong. I'm not in the philippines. I'm in japan He repeated that like 10 times apparently and then um, he mentioned the fact that I had an alcohol problem Repeatedly and that was about the extent of his defense And let's get in the don you asked him about the don in the video earlier where he responded to my knowledge This is the first time he's he's um Addressed it in public. This is like one of the morning the other night in miami knows. He's wearing sunglasses He looks like he's on a Looks like he's an extra that got lost on scarface from like 30 years ago. I mean look at the shit. He's wearing It's like super good. I just watched that last night for them. I haven't watched in a while Yeah You guys can hear this anyhow, let me go especially guys as well donovan sharp. I'm donovan sharp. Yeah, I'm donovan sharp That's all you guys. I don't know welcome back to my miami. Yeah. Hey listen. I'm actually um, I recently found out I was married So let's pause right here with the we'll get into it as well But are we let's actually go through it and we'll do it smooth and then we'll break it down too If you guys want to get into it welcome back to my miami. Yeah. Hey listen. I'm actually um, I recently found out I was married um, yeah, yeah, so uh dev and I we get up and um We're you know Watching this dude on youtube and i'm like dev you got to come in here and see this and we're watching this And it was almost three hours long and I was like I was like wait a minute like at the end of it. I was like holy shit. I think are we we're married So we decided to jump out of playing come down here to miami and uh, we're on our honeymoon So, uh, I guess wait. Did you guys be low? We listen We were married before I even realized it, but I mean was it was such it was such compelling evidence I mean all sorts of photoshop and also I mean I was like, hey, you know what? You convinced me. So uh, that's why I'm here, man. Are you happy? See you again? Are you happy? I stay happy Dude, you got such a dumb way of defending yourself because someone accused me of something that was plain and not true I would just say yo, this is not true for these reasons. This is a dumb argument But he's using sarcasm. So he technically does not have to why so he's like, oh, yeah, you know We're married number one number one. No one else brought it up at him They didn't ask it. It looks like they didn't ask him about it as far as I can tell right He just brings this shit up. So number one because no, he's thinking about it. He's obsessed with it He's scared by it He's hiding behind his fucking sunglasses These girls see right through to if you watch the body language and the shit they say to them They can see right through it that girl gas some at the end. Are you happy? I mean, that's brutal, man brutal They see right Can we can we grand reveal something? It's totally up to alex I don't care. Uh, oh, no keep talking. I'll text alex and ask him for a lot. Well, you know what I'm talking about, right? Yeah, I think I know what it is Are we allowed to mention can we mention that? Yeah, you can mention it. I don't care So alex was filming infield Which I applaud him for doing because a lot of guys have been asking for an infilm field So he's starting to film infield footage and he in myron Uh ran into him during this infield filming uh myron from freshen fit and So there's this is capture on camera. Basically, he was like threatening you and stuff like that Can you go into what happened? Yeah, basically, I was uh walking with a girl and I hear someone yelling my name. Yo alex alex I was like, yo, but I'm like really focused on the conversation And he's like, don't ever mention my name. Don't ever mention my name. I was like, what and I realized it was myron I was like, okay, dude, cool. And then I walked with the chick Get her number and then we part ways and then he's like waiting on the corner. He's like, oh man Don't ever mention me. Don't ever mention me again. I was like or what like like if you just kindly ask me like, hey, man You know, can you please not mention me? Like I probably would respect that because I try to be cool to most people But he was just like demanding I was like, no, like I'm free to talk about wherever I want. I mentioned him once in my video for two seconds Saying that one of the things he says Is incorrect, which I stand by to this day. I mean what he said was that if a girl flakes on you It's because she's banging a hotter guy. That's not true. Most of the time the girl flakes on you She's She's watching friends. She's on social media. Some of the time she's banging another guy, but it's not the majority of the time It's not even 50% of the time So he got like really triggered by that and so he was just basically like ranting and raving and demanding that You know, I never mentioned him again and uh, I was just like no like I'll Keep talking about whoever I want and then he called me he called me later that night and he was like to his credit He was a lot more cool. He was like, yeah, man, you know, I'm sorry. I didn't mean to like Make it seem like I was insinuating and just really don't like it when you guys mentioned me I was like, dude, like I'm sorry like I won't I won't attack you personally But if you say something I disagree with I am gonna bring it up on my podcast like it is what it is They're just super insecure beta males. Like this is how fucking losers act Like if if he had a really serious problem with you, he should have just fought you in the street And obviously this guy is just like super unhinged. He seems like a Well, that was gonna really bad decision for me. First of all, I walk around with my dog So my dog would fucking bite him right in the balls if he even You Charges for assault and make sure you hang on hang on hang on. Let's not get off top of here Let's let's roast Donovan a little more here. This is this is this is too tempting. This is number one This is his fucked. I mean, this is some John Travolta scarface shit going on. Who dresses guy's mother probably his wife I think it's what happens in your wife dresses. He is you do this kind of shit, you know No, this is this is you get to you get a window into what he thinks of himself that he's the cool guy now Yeah, listen, I'm actually, um, I recently found out I was married. Um, yeah. Yeah, so, uh, devon I we get up and um We're, you know, uh, watching this dude on youtube and I'm like, this dude This dude I've met these people repeatedly in real life. I paid this guy thousands of dollars. He knows exactly what my name is I'm my channel is like three times the size of his I've been on pierce morgan and all over new york times and new york post and shit The the fact it's like the same shit they do to you guys, right? They won't mention your name Except it is so overtly explicitly obvious to everyone who knows us that he knows exactly who the fuck I mean, this is ridiculous. This is like this is like dumb times 10 I want to go through this some more though here You got to come in here and see this and we're watching this And it was almost three hours long and I was like it I was like, wait a minute like at the end of it. I was like, holy shit So he's admitted He's admitted he watched the whole three hour video at the end of it So we're going we're gonna oh this come in and check it out. Oh some funny video He sat down and dude, I guarantee you his wife is screaming under in that fucking video and probably wants to fuck me after the fact That woman hates me and wants to fuck me more than anyone on the planet And that will never happen. It's disgusting, but just just banging so you can make a video about it No, it's not even worth it. That's gross, man. I can do it. It's something but it ain't worth it I fucking I'd vomit on a side just peep. It'd be funny just for his reaction All right, you can do it. I'll let you can do that. I can't jump on an acronym Did you can jump on that? Let's go a little more here. Let's see Are we we're married look at how uncomfortable this girl is ever this is defensive posturing by the girl in the pink She's holding herself. She's like who are these girls? Who are these girls by the way? Just random skanks off the street in miami d-list d-list like fucking Back up porno actors or actresses or some shit single moms. Yeah, alex. This is your town I don't know man, but they just like a random host of it. I've never seen any of these girls in my life Yeah, they're just like random whatever So we decided to jump on a plane come down here to miami and we're on our honeymoon So, uh, I know the honeymoon will be in late july that still weighs out donovan your second your second honeymoon as your second anniversary coming up donovan Yes, wait, did you guys you know we listen we were married before I even realized it But I mean it was it was such it was such compelling evidence. I mean all sorts of Photoshop and also, I mean photoshop. This is defamation. I'm ready to fucking get the it's my attorney involved I didn't photoshop a single fucking thing. I should have photoshopped his wife's ass crack out I assume I guess for you or something But there's nothing photoshopped. What is this guy's accusing me of photoshopping like 150 fucking screenshots. Are you kidding me? I I had to fucking this is like pulling teeth out going through this fucking thing. I hated doing this shit Like it was kind of You should just own the situation like yeah, you know what I got married blah blah blah this is why I didn't tell you guys That's the only way to go at this point. That's what a that's what a man would do This guy's a beta male little boy. Like this is really fucking pathetic. It's just disturbing man Um, any further comments from you guys? What's his basically his the summary of his response is sarcasm Like poke fun, even though it's all factual information so that everyone thinks it's a big joke and then um And then claim that it's all not true even though it's like it's like endless evidence He calls it compelling evidence and then he accuses me of photoshop Like I encourage him to sue me on the video if you guys remember that part, um, alex you saw about the video I i'm dead serious pick up the phone call call an attorney fat fuck and sue me I will counter sue you and ruin your fucking life to the I might do it anyway at this point This is pissing me off. I didn't photoshop a single fucking thing. Fuck this loser Fucking fraud. He's he's basically committed to the end. I guess is what it is Which is not that surprising like rollo and these guys and then cooper and ryan stone They will never stop lying like mld. Especially they will never ever stop lying It's a bottomless pit of bullshit. It's insane a way to pull up some public records like something that's official like hundred percent I did like his court rise court records. Yeah, his wife's name is in the ashlock rollo's house foreclosure and public record mld air bmb scam has evidence behind it You we I think the move is putting these guys in jail I mean when you can like like on a coffee zilla's channel He just got like his first guy. He was attacking like jay jayman mazini or something That was like defrauding people with with crypto investments and stuff like that. He that guy's in jail now and like what derrick Derrick moneyberg and max are doing rsd max max like The fuck's it called freedom business mentoring those guys are committing fraud They're like the alleged money laundering alleged all kinds of laws being broken High pressure sales tactics coercive predatory lending Literally derrick has this habit of like selling programs and then not not even providing the boot camp Like what he what he did like let me explain this real quick He has people sign up and then he says oh that's been cancelled You can either fly to asia or take this program in like new york that's double the price Those are your options And so it's like it's like he's forcing them to pay more than they originally agreed on like the trip to asia Is expensive as fuck so people end up just paying double going the new york program And then they get upsold on two more programs that the coaches coaches that are like assisting the programs Are just sales guys to upsell them on two more programs. So there's really no value whatsoever being taught about dating And but he doesn't even provide the programs a lot of cases if the person's like no I don't want the new york program the asia program. They just get nothing And they signed up to pay for a program. I talked to countless guys like whatever I just wrote that money off whatever I heard that tons of times and I had an attorney contact me He said I've seen some of your derrick videos He said I I want to put everybody's stories together and go after this guy So that's what he's been collecting everyone's fucking stories And then you know derrick's like knocking out walls in a penthouse with with his whole scam operation These guys think they're untouchable Right and oh i'm public and public enemy number one Well, now this is a lot bigger than just me now you have other big channels You're on their radar now you have now you're on fucking attorneys radars And so, you know, even if they fucking come after me They're they're fucked either way, right? So Let that let them keep it up. They think this is this is like a just like a free for all Right. It's it's a big joke all the way to the bank and I and I heard from the inside They're they're purposely trying to get these guys to open up credit cards that approve anyone And max them out and give all the money to them And then those guys are like fucked for life. They know those guys can't pay the money back Yeah, that's super fucked So I think that's the solution that they can't fucking continue scamming from jail If they're if they're actually breaking laws Yep I think down to the minute if state attorneys get involved from states where it's criminal for false advertising He could he could go to jail. I think for what he's doing. That's a stretch I mean, you need to get, you know, state attorneys involved, which is what I tried to do in New Jersey and florida I think in New Jersey and florida. It's a civil though. So he would just get fined. He's not going to go to jail But uh, dude, it's like $5,000 of fine like $10,000 of fine for every time you do this kind of shit every every time you committed fraud MLD almost went to jail for an Airbnb scam And if anyone can uncover any this this shit, who knows where the rabbit hole goes with the fucking children You know, then I'll be fucking rotting in in jail and he'll have his legacy products out there that are ripoffs I think we got to keep the pressure on like you're saying for something to happen You know, either they get fucking just they just collapse They go bankrupt from the people falling charge backs or refunds because they're getting defrauded Or they end up in jail or something like that or state attorneys getting involved and stuff I think it needs to start happening Like there needs to be hopefully a state attorney to get involved in this whole fucking community and starts outing these people for frauds Because they're doing yeah, you're right. It's all kinds of super sketchy bullshit. It's manipulative It's manipulative and it's sick and it's twisted men praying on hurt wounded people wounded men You know, you know a state attorney who's a fan of one of our channels Well, I have I have that I won't I won't mention who there's a guy that's like he watches a lot of the this type of content But he's also very good at defending um The rights of the consumer And this and these these are like It's it's not hard to win something like this when you have countless people being defrauded And countless people being taken advantage of but as a side note I just got emailed recently the the kind of the origin of where myron came from Is he was in brandon carters? Remember brandon carters the one the the fitness coach Who was with derrick moneyberg in a bunch of photos and they're like great buddies even though derrick's huge scammer He took brandon carters like high ticket whatever like coaching course and then started his fitness brand Even though he it's all generic fucking bullshit advice And then he's just riding that train They're just like leveraging like tiktok and like some other things and just doing mass podcasts To like rapidly grow a subscriber base and then he brings on this Um fresh prince ceo these names are so fucking dumb anyway fresh prince ceo And he's wearing ceo chains and going next to like rented cars and and airplanes and stuff and jets And then this guy like four months was working for wicks.com just in like social media type stuff and he only probably Like ended it in december 2020 because he came on the on the fresh and fit bullshit But I bet he still works works for wicks Right and and he's got and he has no credentials whatsoever But it just goes to show you you can take someone like literally off the street And turn him into a guru or an expert and all these people are like swept into the thing like oh my god Like I want to be like fresh prince ceo And and did you see can we show his his wife real quick? The wife he had Fresh did you watch did you see my prince? Okay, check out. I've skimmed through it. Let me see if I could find it It's in my it's in that playlist Or if you just type fresh prince It's going to take a minute Type fresh prince john angelo Fresh prince and belair Yeah, this one if you if you scroll like here's a link Maybe like halfway or you'll see like a you'll see a picture of his chick a little bit more Go on a little bit further um This is blurred out thing. No, I had no there she is This one? Yeah, that that was fresh prince ceo's wife the other the duo from from uh fresh and fit Damn, that's a big that's a big woman This was his wife and he had I had to blur it because they put privacy Complaints on it. Yeah, that's fine. Um But they but this is this was who he was married to as a kid with and he's running on claiming 1200 lay count now Which is a this is like a this is like maybe a four or three like this is pretty rough. Yeah, this is sure Yeah Yeah, and just because he can go on camera with a ceo necklace on In a ceo shirt Myra like look at the that face of myron laughing That's the face of a guy that doesn't know shit about any of the stuff he's talking about That's laughing all the way to the bank I had mld's best friend uh email me tons of stuff His former best friend and he said mld literally told me that that he just wanted to do a whole money grab And and just instead of he was driving a cab and teaching english and wasn't paying that well Why not just be a fake coach? And just take people that have have systems and put them into his into his own products repackage them Do do some hot dude party stuff you get to be a hot dude general bro hot dude general into their men hot dude army It's yeah, the names alone are insane like I would never want to be a part of hot dude army That's like the gayest thing I can think of I like women I like putting my dick in vaginas, you know like this is not hot dude army is not for me I guess you seen the two the trans stuff. They're doing trans stuff now in the freshman fit. Do you see that shit? No Oh, you got to see that dude. Yeah black pill truth will have that hang on What do you mean like like talking about bang trans chicks? Dude, it's it's basically like uh, they're basically they're advocating for Like bang and trannies and stuff and banging dudes off tinder. No, I swear to god I swear to god, dude, you got to follow black full truth, man. This is one of the best channels on youtube I swear dude he just put up a video nine minutes ago with us. This guy's on him, man. He's a savage I don't know who this dude is, but I like this guy. This guy's savage, man Let me see if a type trans stuff see what pulls up and I don't know to be honest, there's so many fucking videos like this is a new channel too He just put out but basically if you look through you'll find I think the tranny video the trans video on it And uh, it's fucked man. It's them promoting gay stuff and like they call it game axing or something What's what's the uh quick synopsis of the video? I don't know. I don't I've honestly. I've watched so many fucking videos on this shit lately I don't even know what to tell you like I just you have to go watch it, but it's weird It's there's gay stuff. They're promoting. It's trans stuff. Um, even with the cooper and rollo did it the other day. Where is it? It's like a fucking maze trying to get through this honestly guys, but there's one where here it is this one rollo tamasi and rich cooper take interest in sterling cooper only fans So basically this dude post pictures of his dick on only fans for men He talks about this in the video We can go through it and you see rollo like have these little smirks on his face and cooper like they're almost into it Like they're gonna do it for money There's no kinds of shit like this. I'm black but the truth from them They they scan through these fucking hour long three hour long live streams, right? And they find these little nuggets of this insane shit these guys say This is this just channels a goldmine of insane shit from the manuscript. I swear to god This one we can get into it. Let's see how long it is. It's only one minute. Let's see For only fans page. Um, you've got this like pricing model for 50 75 Depending on what you send them. How many fans do you have on that by the way? Like What are they sure that the biggest you can hide it or you can like hidden or not? So for me, the biggest I've had is like I've been really pushing it probably 250 300 people at a time and who who follows you like is it is it gay guys? Is it couples is it women like it's gay with with guys only fans is gay Gay dudes. Okay, so they have thirsty gay dudes That are throwing money at you for personal. Okay, got it Or like I take a photo with my pants down. I take a video of my pants down that kind of thing and then Yeah, that's it. It's like for that. It's it's this is so a lot of uh, I think A lot of straight dudes who are like relatively good looking Could make a lot of money off if they if that's what they wanted to do Look at roll of bread and look at him. Look at him. He's all happy. Oh, you can show your dick to dudes to make money I mean, this is so it's I'm telling you man. There's like they call it gay maxing and shit I don't even know the terms are at half the time. It just keeps going Is rich wearing like a winter coat or something in the house? It was like blue fucking shit in his classes. I heard he's getting fat now and stuff I think it's why he's looking he looks kind of like he's getting fatter like a Santa Claus thing going on here Yeah, if you look in his face, yeah Yeah, I don't know man. Like it's so Well, dude, like everyone says rich cooper like think about it think about you get divorced by a girl It's like fucking old and not even attracted anymore. You're paying child support in alimony. He's been like thrown around by other single moms I don't know much about this guy, but like everyone in the comments just says he just like Complains about single moms, especially in the past it was and in his book. I'm gonna do a video about like some takeaways from his book It's like him bitching about getting like fucked over by single moms Yep, I'm sure he has like no girls in his life. He's sitting at home probably eating ice cream Just flexing just flexing online. He's had a girlfriend for years. He doesn't bang any woman as far as I know I mean that could have changed recently, but he doesn't dude. He doesn't bang I know some shit about him. Like I don't even I can't even say I'm in video But like it's fucked like he sucks with women, right now He's tall and stuff and he's on trt like he's not in bad shape So he can probably bumble his way through some things. I don't doubt that But he has zero game like zero doesn't have any understanding of it Nothing he had zero before finding the red pill. He hasn't developed any game since then He doesn't know how to do any of it like cold approaching zero understanding of it Yeah, and then they're going to talk shit on me I mean who's been to chicks and shown proof of it and they're going to say oh look at this guy Why can't he be like us just marrying threes and just checking out of the game? There's savage in the chat man. Oh, we got a super chat. I got to get to before we roll up here Uh, let's see There we go I worked as a fraud auditor both public and private before I started my own business and there are quite a few red flags I saw with them just need to wait and see truth is like the sunlight. It will always shine through Yeah, this guy's right man. It's taking time, you know, but it's good. We're all doing good work with the stuff Alex, you got to get out of man. We need more roast man You got to follow like John Anthony on the footsteps here. It's a good example. It's a good role model Yeah Well, I want to have you on my channel man. I want to do the uh, we'll explore Unveil it to my audience. We'll do like the top 10 Scammers in the atmosphere. Yeah. Yeah more specific. Yeah, I'm down. Yeah, there's so many. I mean, it's a fucking Alex like deep down. I think I think you're like too You're like a little bit more like nice like internally nice where you can't you got to like get like that like You got to get the bulldog out It just comes down to who annoys me like who crosses like I haven't had too many of these guys like go after me personally If someone goes after me, I have no problem I'm trying to step up you could take him down now on your channel. Well, let me talk about this Like yeah, but then today what he really do he just like kind of try to talk tough on the street And then he called me a few hours later and said, you know, he didn't mean it Is he scared of you probably I don't know if he's scared of me, but he definitely doesn't want me to like talk about him and make content about him Because he knows that if I do that that'll be really bad for their brand Is he scared of you? I mean you guys look anybody in the man history can make videos about me all day long I don't give a fuck. I don't have anything to hide like Yeah, it's same way for me people the only people the only way people are able going to be able to put shit on me Is by fabricating stuff, which is what they're trying to do to coffee zilla. They're trying to do on reddit People are people are just like trying to pollute, you know, spread out the spread false information around And that's different when they're making up like explicit lies about you And that's kind of what donovan try to do and that's that's also pissing me off It wasn't just attacking me and like, you know shit talking it was like these lies and shit I'm like, no this guy's dead because I knew he was going to keep going right you do it once Let's see if they do it again did it again I was going to keep going it was an escalating basically more and more at the one over time I'm like, no it's just to stop I'm going to drop the hammer on your fucking head, which is what I did Um, man, there's so much to the chat Drop the hammer Yeah Santa Claus and cars that's pretty good Hey, we got to wrap up. I got to get back Someone pays rich cooper 2k an hour. Okay, just Santa Claus. What are they hoping to to get from that to learn about Theory Yeah, it's mostly there's videos exposing him on oh that you know looks max did a video I watched it last night You heard looks max. Yeah, he did a 90 minute video on rich cooper. It's really good. It's really good It's kind of like mine. It's really long, but it's more informal. It's really good He goes through different videos and shit. He's very specific with it like detailed Kind of you're doing two on your stuff and he gets into the dating coaching element of rich cooper's $2,000 an hour coaching And he actually compares it then he shows a fucking absurd this is And even a high end attorney is like maybe $700 an hour, you know A top end doctor is like 800 an hour Exactly. That's exactly what he gets into Where is he claiming to have these credentials from if he hasn't banged a lot of girls and what kind of strategy is he giving them? It's it's he just prays on dude. He just prays on random guys on youtube who find his shit looking for these topics It's predatory. It's guys who are just oblivious to the manuscript. They don't know anything Rich cooper picks up roll to mossy's book and reads it fucking line item. I've seen him do this It's insane. He admitted it to another speaker who called him on it back in like 2018 or 29. Yeah 2018 Yeah, I'm not gonna name drop the name of that speaker But the dude he actually the speaker called him on it and he's like, that's how I do it And the speaker was like goddamn like you ain't even gonna lie about it to my face You just own that you're stealing from roll of shit and you're just reciting it for 2000 Isn't that where ryan stone does too? Yeah, that's why they all that's how they suck They all suck roll his dick. That's how they do it man. They all suck roll of the deaths That's why I call him the digital daddy these guys And suck roll those dick on camera They should they should But it basically roll is like the intellectual fraud father kingpin of this crap and he just it's almost like a like a priesthood Or like a church So you have like the pope and the bishops and archbishops and all this shit and priests like the fresh and fit guy Is like low-level priests. There's kind of losers setting up these new churches, right? But then you have the bishops of bigger channels as suck rolls dick like rich cooper and uh I don't know other you know, the channels are too big. I don't even know the top of my head But other channels that support roller, right? It's all a fucking game to roll it a play this pope this fake fraudulent fraud father pope the pope father Of this red this red pill garbage you make stuff And he's totally fine with with letting all these scammers push his shit because it makes money Yes, it's a suck it's rollo is usually more clever about he does some affiliate stuff And mostly it's just about his book It's all to promote his book book book book and definitely he's always encouraging guys to start channels Not to spread the red pill truth to spread his fucking book to make more fucking money He doesn't have a fuck about any of these issues. By the way, you mentioned the hate women these guys They don't just hate women the real secret is that they hate men the hate men That's why they scam them the hate masculinity the hate men who are masculine hate men in general people don't understand that They bitch about do they hate women or do they not even the feminists go after them for that, right? That's fine. They do hate women number one That's the fucking truth behind all the bullshit number two the hate men That's why they fucking scam them if you're gonna rip men off who are hurt and wounded and looking for good advice Like legit advice from real men qualified to give it. You're a fucking piece of shit. You hate men That's the only way you can have that level of fucking, you know, shit on people like that These these aren't general sales, right that rollo isn't selling and you know The donovan sharp the sharp mama. He's not selling womanese to like a general Population of people it's to men specifically hurt wounded men who are looking for advice on these specific issues He's praying on men because he hates men like rollo because they're not masculine They're a bunch of mama's boys and shit So they have like this resentment towards men and masculinity and they hate it That's why it really strikes the nerve when you have someone like piece of shit Derek Moneyberg where he's literally Like isolated like he's praying off their insecurities So he has them go on one side whoever doesn't want to buy more of his stuff At the end of the programs he has him go on one side and says all all these people are losers All these people are never gonna be anything like or they or that when they try to leave the room during the talks The big talks whole single people out and it's and it's really like the message is basically if you don't want to pay me More money for my full load of bullshit I'm gonna make you feel horrible about yourself and try to like ostracize you in front of everyone So that you'll feel bad enough so that you will pay me money. That's literally that's what it's gonna do This guy rollo put a wig on he would look like my dick I got a ghosting guys we'll close out with I have two girls waiting. I was like, I'll be an hour long. Good. Fuck. Yeah Yeah, I've got the roll. Oh, I'm gonna bounce. Let me I got to get going. Let me pull this shit off Um, I appreciate you guys joining me today on the red man group. It's almost been two hours. I got to bounce Uh, let's do it again sometime. Let's shout out Real quick. Uh, my Anthony lifestyle Um, my focus is practical. No BS. No fluff. Uh, no abstract. Woo-woo cock-sucking bullshit dating advice I give away a lot of free value on the channel probably way too much and I run an eight-week mentorship platform dating system.com Where you can get on a free 30 minute call with me to discuss how I can get you very good very fast, but that's it for me Mine playing the fire we do mainly online game We do a lot more than that so practical strategies for texting girls getting hot girls straight over your place from tinder And whatnot so a lot of good stuff there check it out All right, sounds good guys. Appreciate you both tuning in There's been an episode 137 of the red man group president dream judge dream And it's been a lot of fun guys both of you everybody in the chat too Um, I'll see you guys next week most likely Saturdays at usually 11 30 am sometimes I schedule later Alex, let's do a stream. John. I'll talk to you guys soon for sure