 That's for you, no, it was a special gift call the meeting the second regular meeting of the Common Council to order Madam City Clerk would you please call the roll Bowman D. Berg here Eberg sir to Davis Graf Kittleson excuse Manny Meyer Montemay or Radke Segali Stefan Susha and Vander wheel 14 present Guarms present approval of the minutes Alderman Graf thank you honor I would move that the minutes of the previous Common Council that we dispense with the reading of the minutes of the previous Common Council meeting from April 19th and the same stand approved as entered on the record as motion to second and under discussion not all those in favor state aye aye any opposed motion carries to this time I'd ask Alderman Bowman to lead us in the Pledge of Allegiance please please rise thank you Alderman Bowman Alderman Berg did you have something to say wait we we don't what is this in regards to now I am going to request a roll call vote on the confirmation the appointments each of the standing committees separately when I looked at these committee makeup I saw some older persons who were hard-working dedicated to their committee and went beyond the norm these were very good committees that worked well together and with the department heads some of these older persons were shown disrespect and nothing short of being slapped in the face and on the special committee boards and commissions I would like a separate roll call vote on the board of police and fire commissions because of the possible conflict of interest with the husband and wife especially when closed sessions come into play also for the building use committee and there's two other committees that were looked at and I received some literature from some people that stopped by my house that they got off the internet on a certain older person on two of these committees and they don't understand why that person is on these committees but I said I will get I will get back to them later on this and we'll we'll see what we can work out right now out of all the new older persons that have been elected I think we can work together because there's two of them here that really know what they're probably going to be doing is Alderman Alden Berg with his experience and older person Gene Davis with all the years that he's had on the county board I've worked with him and he knows what he's doing so I say if we're going to have any unity or any compromise and getting along together on this council the leaders got a show and lead by example and not by intimidation thank you statement thank you Alderman Berg this time we'll go to confirmation of mayor's appointments to standing committees Alderman Graf thank you your honor I would move that this council confirms your the mayor's appointments to the standing committees there'll be a roll call under discussion Alderman Meyer I thank you mayor for your candid and open discussion with me regarding a previous encounter with the Sheboygan County Sheriff's Department and for your concerns and Chief Kirk's concerns with me serving in the Public Protection and Safety Committee thank you also for your professional advice at this time I would like to share with my colleagues in this common council and the public what I shared with you about seven years ago I was cited for possession of marijuana which is a misdemeanor I was not handcuffed taken to jail photographed or fingerprinted I was allowed to continue and join myself at the county picnic I was given a ticket and I paid it these charges were later dismissed because I was upset that I got a ticket I also made a stupid comment that marijuana should be legal obviously I do not believe that this happened a long time ago and I made a stupid mistake I am a better person because of that mistake and I believe that had that I have had and I've excuse me and I have had no other encounters with the police since then I thank you also mayor for encouraging me to be open and for trusting me that I can do a great job as a member of the Public Protection and Safety Committee thank you thank you Alderman Meyer Alderman Vander wheel thank you and thank you all in my that took a lot of courage I just wanted to say that um this isn't about what community I'm on or not on it's not about what position I hold in council I only care about what is best for the city I worked on public protection safety for three years and I know what this committee does until a couple hours ago I was going to vote for all of these appointments I didn't agree with some of them but because I believe in compromise and working together with the council I was going to vote for them one thing about these appointments kept bothering me that I couldn't stop thinking about the fact that Mayor Perez chose to totally reorganize public protection safety does not sit well with me PPS is a committee that works directly with the people of our city to problem solve and make neighborhoods a better place to live I believe that the city as a whole will suffer with no senior members on this committee I feel that our mayor formed this committee based on revenge and favoritism when we vote on this committee tonight we are not saying that any of our alderman will do a poor job we're simply asking the mayor to stop running our city based on revenge and favoritism we need to do things by working together and by compromising thank you thank you Alderman Vander wheel Alderman Sigali thank you Mr. Mayor I'm sorry that I'm sitting as you probably know Mr. Mayor I'm disappointed in losing my positions on the public protection and safety and and public works I have served those committees when well and I have done my homework and I made sure what I was voting on not only did I help the people in my district but I also help the people in the community if I remember correctly Mr. Mayor you stated that we should not only listen to our constituents in our district but to listen to the whole community I was hoping that you would think this of all of us who were on our committee and I'm hoping that you did not make that statement just on the Sheridan Park issue you want this council to work together what better way of showing the voters of Sheboygan than to combine the new with the old and this should have been done on all of the committees but it wasn't and but it wasn't instead not only do we have a divided council now but we seem to have a divided community thank you thank you Alderman Sigali Alderman Serla thank you your honor I would also like to address the issue of the committee appointments this evening I like to think that I am a team player and by doing so I deliberately did not try to influence your decision Mayor by contacting you as to where I thought you should place me and according to your committee appointments it was my way of extending good faith to you and working together giving your statement last week regarding having a smooth transition I admit I was somewhat hopeful that you would take the lead in setting this precedence however it is very self-evident that you deliberately underutilized certain elder persons on the committees more disturbing is your decision to replace a dedicated citizen like Mr. de Montier who has served our community on the police and fire commission board for 20 years under multiple mayors mind you only to be replaced with no apparent reason than stacking the cards in your favor I make these statements to hold you accountable and leading the city with integrity and specifically smoothing making smooth transitions which you felt was of importance lastly I want you to realize that your position today in the Sheboygan press in regards to the second district seat vacancy only confirms that your willingness to work with individuals that don't agree with you is in serious jeopardy thank you just as a point before we take the vote point of clarification the responsibility of the appointments lies in the mayor who is an elected official there are times when a mayor in this case is one and then this is one instance when the mayor may not appoint someone to a committee that they would like to be some will be happy some will not be happy that's just the way it is it is difficult to please everyone it is difficult to take all factors into consideration I needed to take certain factors into consideration and I did that the law gives me that responsibility I like you tell me that you want to do what's best I do too and if because I didn't appoint someone to a committee that he or she would like to have been appointed does not mean I don't care about this community does not mean I don't care about teamwork does not mean we're not going to lead this community forward we will I am asked to show you teamwork and demonstrate leadership I asked the same of you take two people two parties to get that going we have a year to go we work together in unity in the spirit of teamwork anything can happen I have a lot to prove so do others have a lot to prove the last time I was appointed to a committee I did not want to be in and I wasn't appointed to a committee I did want to be in I said that is not my call to make I will respect that call I will serve in the committee I serve and I will prove myself and I did and I just wanted the alderman to understand that also with respect to the appointment of Alderman Meyer I did consult with our city attorney and it was made very clear to me that there was no illegality involved all my appointments are legal and they're subject to my call and I have that sole responsibility to the community to make those appointments as best as I see fit and I intend to do that every time I'd ask that attorney McLean just explain a little bit about the the appointments with respect to if there's any illegality thank you mayor two things you know basic to the appointments it's the mayor's prerogative to appoint the role of the council is to confirm or not confirm but the mayor makes the appointments as far as carrying out the duties you're all sworn to carry out the duties of the office of all the person to the best of your ability and I'm sure you will all do that regardless of your personal feelings personal backgrounds history seven years ago or 10 years ago or 30 years ago you know you can't run for elected office if you're a convicted felon but that's really the only requirement you've got you know whether you've got some misdemeanor in your background a long time ago or not really isn't relevant to whether you can serve on a particular committee or not thank you thank you city attorney McLean is there any other discussion not we'll take a vote ma'am city clerk please call the roll mayor could you please clarify do we want to vote on each of the individual standing committees or are we devoting as a one blanket standing committee I believe I understood one blanket with the standing committees and a division on the appointments special committees Alderman Berg is that correct I just need to be clarified and building news so you want a separate roll call on finances separate roll call all the way down the list please do thank you no no just on the committee as a whole is that what you're asking okay okay Alderman Berg would you would you please make a motion to that effect thank you your honor I make a motion that we take a roll call vote on each separate standing committee and also a separate roll call vote on the peace and fire commission position and the billing use okay and then I'm sorry Alderman Berg that you'll have to make that motion with the next item on the agenda for now we'll make a motion to our separate separate vote and roll call on each standing committees are second second all those in favor please state aye any oppose motion carries so okay the first one we'll be voting on is the committee on finance I'll call the roll Bowman Deberg I everybody understands an aye vote is confirmed okay and I vote would be to confirm those standing that standing Deberg you said aye yes okay sir Davis Graf Manny Meijer Montemay or Radke Segali Stefan Susha and Vanderheel alright finances 14 eyes before we get too far along on this bear in mind that you know this gonna could create problems here if you go all the way down the list and you would not say confirm law and licensing committee you've got confirmed committees all the way down if you don't confirm that one you're gonna run into situations where you can't now jigger appointments so counsel bear that in mind I think when you're voting on these things that this you know the mayor looks at this and has to put it together as a package because you got rules that Alderman can only be on you know maximum two committees got to be on at least one and if you start picking and choosing it's gonna be gonna potentially create some problems here so bear that in mind on your votes Hohlenberg yes thank you your honor I guess I'd request clarification from attorney McLean what specifically would be the outcome were a committee appointment say not to prevail in other words all the other committees would operate but say for example suppose public works would be that the council would not hold with the appointments that of public works what would be the outcome and the implication for for governance well of course committee wouldn't be able to meet until the appointments were confirmed then you might have the other issue of that I just brought up is if you won't confirm that make up can you make up a committee under the current requirements from other people so that's that's gonna be an issue but that that would be the bottom line and so that committee wouldn't be able to meet thank you all men better really thank you honor question for attorney McLean now the American move any Alderman in any committee at any time if the council proves that right correct you've got in the ordinances where Alderman has to be on at least one standing committee right and can't be on more than two but if you mean within those parameters yes okay thank you old McGrath thank you your honor also if if one committee would not be appointed this evening wouldn't that committee have to meet with all of us deciding what issues are supposed to because I believe normally it would be if I can recall once eight years ago or whatever it was that the committee appointments were not confirmed so for one of our first meetings we all had to meet and discuss the issues of finance public protection and safety public works etc and if that would be the case the committee of the whole would have to meet as that committee is that correct right committee the whole could meet at any time because that's that's all the alderman and that doesn't require all the man and my other question is even if you didn't approve any of the committee standing committee members I know last year this was done and I don't know if it was was correct or not but what we had was we had several people that could no longer work on one of the standing committees so they and the mayor got together and they created a switch which the council approved of about midterm or something and that is still something that's possible if if there's a conflict or something if they go to the mayor I'm sure he would look at it as as something that he would consider doing if if there was a logical reason for doing it is that correct also we can still do that in some future thank you please continue okay next on the list I'll just go right down the list a next one is confirming public protection and safety and I vote would be to confirm okay I'll clear on that ballman Deberg no Eberg no Serta Davis graph Manny myer Montemay or Radke Sagali Stefan Susha Vander wheel eight eyes six nose next public work but excuse me Alderman the term clean the the statutes require that a majority of all members is necessary to confirm I reviewed the handbook for municipal officials this morning all the members has been interpreted by the courts to mean all the members that's all 16 so you need at least nine votes to confirm the appointments so eight even though it's a majority of those present eight eyes doesn't confirm the appointments none from long all right next on the list is public works ballman Deberg Eberg Serta Davis graph Manny myer Montemay or Radke Sagali Stefan Susha and Vander wheel 14 eyes next one is salary and grievances ballman Deberg Eberg Serta Davis graph Manny myer Montemay or Radke Sagali Stefan Susha and Vander wheel 14 eyes and the last one would be lawn licensing ballman Deberg Eberg Serta Davis graph Manny myer Montemay or Radke Sagali Stefan Susha and Vander wheel 14 eyes is this about thank you mr. Mayor is this the correct time then as long as public protection and safety has not been confirmed shall I set a committee of the whole meeting so we take care of it no yes okay that's another issue thank you okay we'll proceed confirmation of mayor's of all the McGrath my apologies at this time I didn't want you to do that only because I'd like at this time to ask any of the the there were seven that voted no or six of what any of those six like like to make a motion to reconsider so that we could get this this past this evening all over Stefan a point of order wouldn't the motion to reconsider have to come from somebody on the winning side actually just the winning side and that vote was just many thank you the question for city attorney McLean would be possible at this point if the mayor offered another name in nomination and pulled one name that's currently on the list could we then consider that with the one person change that would be possible if the council is going to suspend the rules and if the mayor will do that at least we know and it's to the mayor if he wants to make that suggestion I want to make one thing perfectly clear I want to work with this council I will not ever try to call your shots don't try to call mine okay I want to work together it's just not going to work we talk about cooperation we can't talk about cooperation in half what just happened today it's going to be very difficult I want to sit down and when we get business together if the confirmation is not done with the police public protection and safety we're going to move on and then the council has a decision to make as to how they want to conduct that business and the public will have to respond to that you need a strong mayor here you're asking me to be strong I cannot be crippled by actions that you served the province of the mayor if this council does not wish to respect it I'll accept it but we need to move on we cannot talk about working together and doing exactly what you've done tonight that's not working together we will move on confirmation of mayor's appointments special committees boards and commissions and I believe we need a motion for a roll call and building use committee how did they want to do that home and grow for you thank you I would move that we confirm the mayor's appointments to standing to special committees boards and commissions and that would include the list from April 19th which is I hereby submit the following appointments for your consideration so letter as well as town rebel members of the common council the listing the multiple page listing believe there's eight pages on that those two documents motion covers second motion the second under discussion all of a bird I move that we have a roll call vote just on those two is on the police and fire commission and the building use the rest all fine and any motion in a second under discussion all of us who show yes I'd like to ask a city attorney McLean if it is illegal to have my husband on the board of police and fire commissioners my thing it's not I don't see that there's conflict now maybe somewhere down the road you know hypothetically could be an issue that may create a conflict in a particular vote or something but that wouldn't require or preclude your am I legally required to abstain from this vote thank you there's a motion in the second to have a separate roll call and did you want to say something well is that part of it too yeah okay madam clerk okay just on your discussion this is under discussion on your packet I have an explanation of the few changes that were made if we could just go through them so that you understand the first one is on your packet is stable that would be the changes listed under there what we did was we added in all the elected positions from Tuesday night's meeting so city plan commission person that was elected board of contract examiners that has been updated so that's new in here the other the only other thing that changed would be on the harbor or the marine and harbor committee the makeup of that was not right when we did the first one so we've adjusted it to have the right members from the right areas so that's the only other change that has happened on this stapled sheet and I just need you to know also that the reason there was a change in the harbor one had nothing to do with the mayor making a mistake had nothing to do with the mayor's office making a mistake this comes down to my office who for the past year has been at 50% staff and we missed it so that's why Mary got the wrong information so it's totally our fault so just so you know it's nobody else's fault but the clerk's office so we did make a mistake in not updating Mary's record so that's why that had to be changed and that's all that happened on that one on the sheet of appointments that letter the two things that you'll notice are changed on there is towards the bottom second from the bottom Tom Pineski has withdrawn his membership on the library board and the bottom one Alderman Segali was added to the Industrial Development Commission to fill the unexpired term of the former Alderman Bonet that needed to be filled those are the only two changes on this letter and that was it just so you know what the changes and there was another error made on my part and that was the the error regarding miss Jill Bonet who served in the library board it was it was a pretty rushed time trying to get these appointments made there's a lot of work they need to be done a lot of people need to be called and we had four letters from different individuals submitting resignations one of them was from miss Bonet and it was from a different committee and I made the mistake and subsequent to that the following morning I issued out a letter of apology to miss Bonet and that was the mistake that was made I take full responsibility for that but it was corrected and we shall move on thank you we'll take them okay we'll take a vote on the board and police and fire okay this vote will be on just the board of police and fire commissioners and this and I vote would be to confirm that small section in this grouping here Bowman I okay D. Berg E. Berg Serta Davis Graf Manny Meyer Montemay or Radke Segali Stefan Sushia Vander wheel nine to five motion carries appointments confirmed the next one would be building use okay same thing I vote would be to confirm what's in your packet Bowman D. Berg E. Berg Serta Davis Graf Manny Mont I'm sorry Meyer Montemay or Radke Segali Stefan Sushia and Vander wheel 11 eyes three nose motion carries committee confirmed and we will move on you need a motion to confirm the full appointments that have been left over open graph I wouldn't move to confirm all the rest of the appointments the motion the second firm under discussion second discussion Solomon Serta thank you honor I just want to make it clear that I was not questioning your authority this evening I was just questioning your discretion and I don't want this to be said that it just to think we're on a slippery slope that when individuals question authority that that's perceived as going against the grain and I would hope that individuals would continue to ask question that's what makes makes for a better government but I am I'm fully trusted that I can voice my opinion and I can move under your leadership thank you absolutely thank you Serta you know their discussion hold Missigali I'll try to scan if I could ask a question is why weren't we why us Alderman weren't even called to ask about the committees or what committees we were put on that we just had to wait and see what we were put on or if we were going to be on the same committees I guess if I was I'm thinking to myself that if you wanted to bring a council together you need to discuss things with the council and that wasn't done and I guess that's as I am questioning why that we weren't even contacted whether we like the committees you put us on or not that what that's not the point the point is that we were never even asked or even said I'm going to put you on this committee and that committee you didn't even do that for us now I guess I'm asking why there again there are a lot of things that I will do as the executive and there's a lot of things that you will do as a legislative sometimes you'll have your reasons and sometimes I'll have mine in this case I had mine when I when I have been Alderman for about four years before I became mayor I was never once consulted as to which committee I wanted to be so protocol would dictate that you follow same procedure that had been followed before not once did I hear from any of you ask mayor would you please consider me in this in this position other than from one individual I believe asked me and it was Alderman and it will call me at home and asked to meet with me at my house and I walked him into my house and that was it but no other person called me and said no other alderman said let's talk about those appointments had you done that I would have done so you didn't okay where are we confirmation of all the rest of the appointments we have a motion on the floor okay the roll call sure Bowman D. Berg E. Berg Serta Davis Graf Manny Meijer Montemayor Radke Segali Stefan Susha and Vander wheel 14 confirmation's approved all men draw thank you honor once more I'd be remiss in my duty if I wouldn't ask one more time if any of the six alderman that voted against the public protection and safety appointments could care to ask for a motion to reconsider at this time Alderman Vander wheel this isn't on that subject okay Alderman Serta I think this would be an extension of goodwill and allow the mayor to go ahead and do that himself and then bring it back give them some time to put it together the committee we don't necessarily have to do that today I think that would be a good extension of goodwill thank you thank you changing the subject but there's a lot of people in the gallery and I just would ask our city clerk to explain why there was no public forum tonight oh I'd be glad to be in our ordinances it states that this specific meeting is strictly for confirmation of appointments nothing else can happen other than obviously the Pledge of Allegiance and that's it that's why there's no public forum tonight we did check on that yeah before we leave for the night I think we should congratulate Mike Kinzel the newsman for getting his award of excellence for news reporting I would we got one thing we'll keep that motion and second pending if you don't mind please would any chairperson like to inform their committees about their meeting times almond ballman thank you honor the public works committee will be meeting as usual and the same dates is on the past to be the first and third Thursdays of the week beginning in the third floor conference room at 5 15 p.m. please bring and keep all of your public works documents and bring them to the meeting thank you Dennis thank you all the moment all the graph thank you honor finance will continue to meet on the second and fourth Monday at 5 15 thank you all the graph for all the other chairpersons I'm sure the alderman will be contacted well we got one more almond Berg thank you your honor salary and grievances will meet on the first and third Wednesday at 4 p.m. at a location to be determined thank you all in Berg all the money thank you and law and licensing will meet on the second and fourth Tuesdays at 5 o'clock please conference room thank there's already motion to say Dennis you lost it all those in favor to adjourn stay high you stand adjourned