 and the Western consciousness that to bring the synthesis between those two ways of perceiving the West wanting to do something, wanting to have an effect, wanting to help the children, wanting to be involved in politics to do something, or the green movement, or climate change issues, or whatever, or that that we want to do something is not the synthesis of saying, well, it's all an illusion, it's all a mire anyway, so just, you know, look after yourself and relate to God. So there seems to be a dichotomy there, particularly, I think, for us in the West. And this would not the synthesis be, and this is a question I have, that by doing that detachment, which is a very Eastern phrase, in a way, from Buddhism, detach yourself from the world, that you're actually not detaching and pulling away, but that by doing that sort of mind-changing, looking at it in a different way, changing of perception, that you actually have an extraordinary effect upon everything. Yeah, I feel exactly, that's exactly what we're coming to, it is an awareness that through detachment, non-judgment, for I would say being in alignment with our divine purpose, that that is the highest helpfulness that you could have. You are literally being fully a part of a complete retranslation of the whole perception of the world. And is that helpful? It's the most helpful. It's the other attempts that you're describing, very noble attempts, very altruistic attempts. And underneath the altruistic attempt was a desire to make a contribution to provide some helpfulness. And the prayer at the beginning of the course, on 24 of the first edition, I think it's on 28 in the second edition, third edition, I am here only to be truly helpful. I am here to represent him who sent me, that truly helpful, putting those two words together, is we could say that as you rise up in consciousness and you start to clear away the dualistic thinking, and you get much more in line with this beautiful purpose, that's forgiveness, I'll call it, more in line you come with forgiveness, that you become truly helpful, and sometimes people will say, well, does that just mean you just kind of sit in the lotus position then and the world goes on and you're just sitting there meditating? No, actually what I've found is that as I've come into alignment with this purpose, the body of David still seems quite active, talking, going around in 31 countries, going to third world countries where I do get to just interact with children, and families, and all walks of life. I'll occasionally meet people that are involved in politics or science, or just you name it, it's like a huge broad swathe of those that I come into contact with. Some celebrities, it's just a huge wide range, and there's always that helpfulness component to give you an example going down to Argentina and going out with my friend to go to many gatherings like this, taking along a little sack of coins and she brought a little sack of little angels along because when I was down there, the economy had collapsed, people, there was a lot of starvation, and children, sometimes small children, coming up to do juggling acts, want to wash the windshield of the car, to do anything, to bring home something to support their mothers and their families and everything and so the spirit had us get sack of coins and my friend brought along these little angels and they would do whatever they would do and during the stop in the red light, they would do their little performance and then we'd have these wonderful holy encounters one after the next with these children and their eyes would light up and sparkle. It was very active, you know, we weren't just off kind of sitting and meditating, we were right there going to the, you might say the love just used us as if the body is like a marionette that is completely neutral, it has no causative effect, but the marionette could be moved, you might say, or I call it being done through and here we are at a Christian and a Catholic facility and I think back to the lives of the saints and the mystics, now we have Pope Francis, the name was chosen in remembrance of St. Francis, you know, who went out, he didn't just sit in a sissy with a loincloth, his legs folded, you know, he, they rebelled the church that was broken down there in San Domingo, he went out among the streets to share the good news, much like Jesus, the apostles had done. It seemed to be a very active component to St. Francis' life and of course, many other saints could be said to be into social action. The key is the motivation, when you clear the mind of all identification with the body and the world and you come back into that purity of alignment with spirit, then the body can still seem to be quite animated in a state of pure detachment and I think Jesus was a very good example of that. He had his times where he went off to the mount to pray and commune and certainly there's no denying that but he was what I call like a public mystic. He took this beautiful, non-dual state of absolute love, just absolute love and non-judgment and then it was demonstrated, you know, through his life, especially those last three years as public, I mean, raising the dead, miracles left and right, sermons, you know, walking amongst the people, very much like the new pope would go on the mass transit and be right among the people, not kind of off some secluded place. And I look at how the last quarter of a century of my life has gone. I mean, I actually worked with the courts starting in 1986 and those first few years were quite, it was like a lot of inner purification going on, much like traditional mysticism and yet I reached a point where I got alignment with this joy and this happiness and this stillness and this non-judgment and then that's precisely how the spirit has used the body of David mostly over the last quarter of a century. It's just been on the move. It's been with the people. It's been at gatherings like this and many, many others, countless others, like thousands and thousands of others in different countries and cultures and everything. And it wasn't about trying to make the world a better place. I had done plenty of that earlier in the life of David as an angry activist, at least I could say a very frustrated activist facing the problems of the world from more of a personal perspective, very frustrating. And I do see that that's the synthesis that oftentimes when I hear people talk in non-dual terms, I had actually met a woman one time in Belgium and they had had some contact with some beautiful, beautiful non-dual teachings and everything and then they came to me and they said, okay, we've decided to stop our Course in Miracles group. We're not gonna use the course anymore. We're checking the course and this and this because it's all an illusion and we don't, it's all illusion, that kind of thing and it wasn't that. I think it's probably the most overused words and phraseology for a mind that really needs to go into that experience to just kind of use that as a catchphrase or cliche. I call it metaphysical ghosting, like ghosting over an actual healing that's necessary just using the words, it's all an illusion. Jesus didn't even, in the Bible, you look at the Gospels, you don't see him. Lo, I tell you, it's all an illusion. He just doesn't use that. And so for me, I feel like going into the experience, this woman in Belgium, she was just saying, well, I think I'm just gonna quit the course and so I just started to ask some questions saying, do you still feel you have wants and desires in this world and kind of going down on a list of things and oh yeah, I'm sure. But it's all an illusion and it was more just kind of using the words, it's an illusion to kind of cover over still things that were still stirred up and contradicting and conflicting inside. And it's great when we have high, beautiful beings like Krishnamurti that would just question things so deeply. I think there was a man one time that came to Socrates, we go back to the ancient Greeks and basically was talking about his purity and so on and so forth and Socrates just said, do you really believe that in all events and encounters and circumstances that you experienced the truth in every way possible? And the man just walked away and didn't even answer him because he asked such a penetrating question. There can't be any contradiction in the truth. We have to come to that experience. So I definitely feel what you're saying that we don't want to just have like a stereotype of the Eastern talk of Maya and the Western kind of activism of trying to be helpful. We do have to reach that point of synthesis or that point of, I call it integration where the mind is holistic and integrated and then what you do comes from what you think and if you're thinking with God and you are spoken through or spirit seems to do through you in that peaceful place then that's a beautiful place.