 I will talk. I am mentally exhausted, emotionally drained, physically sick. I just want to go home, hug my mother, sleep. I really miss my family. An incident of the intervening night of August 10 and 11, 2017, at BID Hospital in Gorakhpur, the entire city, in fact, the entire country. A doctor who is a perdition was first lauded for saving so many children who were dying allegedly because of lack of oxygen, but after that he was jailed. And we are talking about none other than Dr. Kapil Ahmad, who worked out of jail this evening and we are joined by him. Dr. Kapil, thanks very much for the time for talking to us. My first question to you, sir, is please share your experience in jail. Jail is jail and Gorakhpur is the barrack we were residing. It is really pathetic. The capacity is 60% used to have and we used to have 150 people in the same barrack with one toilet and we used to have to sleep on the floor. And you know, in Gorakhpur, the total capacity is 800 and right now there are 2,000, more than 2,000 prisoners are there. Most of them are on trial and actually 90% on trial, very old. I don't know why government are not giving bail to them or they are just shooting number. I have already written in a letter that we have to sleep with millions of mosquitoes and thousands of flies, bath in front of us. I have never done that. People do that, but I have never done that, bathing naked in the field. But I go, every day was like decades and I used to just wait for the Sunday, Tuesdays and Thursdays to meet my family. So jail is pathetic. You know, jail is jail. When Yogi Ji has said that jail is jail, so jail is jail. Can you describe what actually happened that fateful night of 2017? There are so many things have already you know. I don't have to go into the detail. It was on 9th, Yogi Ji came. So we were just preparing for 9th of August when he was supposed to inaugurate that high dependency unit on 9th of August 2017. So we worked for 7 days continuously and you know, to start that high dependency unit. And then when he left on 9th, we were very tired. So I just asked my HOD for leave and she said, okay, for one day I can give you. I said, okay ma'am, I just want one day rest. So I left. 10th I was at home all the day and then suddenly, you know, around 12, 12, 26, I think that was the time I actually remember. One of my senior residents, he messaged, we have an AIS core group. He messaged that there is no liquid oxygen and this is a crisis. So I just ran and we did everything, what humanly possible, okay. We arranged cylinders from nearby hospitals. We asked everyone, all the gas agencies, fellow. Actually, by 130, 50 cylinder arrived from Faizabad, IGL, Imperial Gas Limited, Faizabad, who was, supposedly he has to deliver around 250 cylinders but he's delivered only 50. But by the time like 1.32 o'clock they reached and that was sufficient till morning. Then morning again the same problem occurred. So we have to run and we have to search for the cylinders. But it was not enough. I ran to the IGL SSB, asked them for their help. We went to each and every corner of BRD to get an empty cylinder and we gathered so many people to carry it and put it on a truck and then we went to all the gas, Modi gas agency actually, he helped. And he, we got around 120 cylinder in one truck. So around 250 cylinder per day we used. So see, whatever I did, it was not a something heroic thing. I always said, I'm not a hero. Whatever it is, because anybody would have done the same thing, you know. Because kids were dying, you know. I am also a father. I have a, my daughter was that time 11 month. And whenever, I remember one girl, three year old, that was around morning 9, 9.30. And the oxygen was not there and we put her on an Ambu bag. And she started, you know, when we did Ambu, she started bleeding. She started bleeding from nose, the whole ET tube, what we put on the throat. She started bleeding with that and we tried hard to resuscitate her, but she died. And the parents, they started screaming and crying and we also cried. Sir, what actually went wrong? You were not either, though you were associated with the Pediatrics department of the hospital because you are a pediatrician. Secondly, you were not in charge of the AES ward, acute encephalitis syndrome ward, 100-bit ward. You were not, you were just posted as nodal officer of national health mission. Then you went extra mile as you are saying. You are in cylinders. Then suddenly what went wrong? Why were you sent to jail? Why? First question you ask, why this happened? So it happened because the system is like that. You have to improve the system, you know. Pushpa Shale Limited, he has written numerous letters, at least 14 I remember. He has written to HOD Pediatrics. He has written to principal. He has written to DM Gorakhpur. He has written to principal secretary. He has written to DGME Health and Education. He has written to health minister. But what all they did? They did just forward to like DM when he got that letter. He said forward to CMO Gorakhpur. CMO when he got the letter forwarded to principal BRD. You know, that was the thing they were doing. They just forwarding. You know, even in our charge sheet when I read that in the investigation officer when asked the DGME Health and Education about his responsibility and what he did when he got those reminders. He said I forwarded to FC. So that's the way this system works. What is this? FC? Financial commissioner or something. So he should have acted. He should have called. He should have said that no, send the money. They are saying I have sent the money on 5th. I am asking why he didn't send in April? Why he didn't send in June? Why he didn't send in July? You're getting my point. So that's the way they were working. And then, you know, that thing happened. Lower level also that the central pipeline operators, they did something. I don't know. Maybe it's some bigger conspiracy. They informed on 3rd of August that the oxygen is less and then they forgot. They should have informed when the oxygen, liquid oxygen goes down to below 14,000 units. They informed when it was 900 and they informed only on 10th. You got. So they should have informed on 7th or 8th. Actually, Yogi Ji was coming. Maybe we would have informed Yogi Ji that there is a problem with this. Maybe the principal would have informed Yogi Ji that there is a problem with finance. And he would have arranged it himself. The problem would have not occurred. You're getting my point. So this is the way the system works and I think the system has to improve. The higher 30, the way they shed their responsibility is not that. You know, I remember principal was saying, I didn't know that but in the jail he was telling me. On 3rd of August when he got the legal notice from Pushpa cell that he is going to stop liquid oxygen within 15 days, they had a video conferencing where principal secretary Dr. Anitha Jain Vettnagar was sitting that side and this side DM and principal were sitting. And they talked about how he is threatening, Manish Bhandari is threatening to stop the oxygen. Liquid oxygen fund is not there. So I don't know what happened between them after that but everybody knows. They said that we didn't know. They just said, they were like, I don't know. Even the common people know that doctors don't buy oxygen. I was not involved with payment. I was not involved with tender. I was not involved with order. I was not involved with supply of oxygen. I did because kids were dying. Because I am a father. Because anybody would have done. One reality in this case, so many innocent lives were lost because of someone's negligence. Be it the doctors, the management of the hospital or the government of the day. Who should be held responsible for that? There was sudden increase in the number of deaths on 10th night, 11th and 12th. This is the bigger truth. Who is responsible? I have already written you. Later I have written from jail. Who is responsible? I am not an inquiry head that I should go and blame anyone. But I have already said that these people, the higher authorities, those who are sitting in Lucknow, they should think and I think if any proper investigation would go, they have not done the investigation properly. I am not going to blame anyone because I am already in so much mess. You are free now. You are in depression. I am scared that maybe some more charges will be put and I will be behind the bar again. Who knows if the honorable high court judge has categorically stated that the government has not produced enough evidence. He has written no evidence against those baseless charges they have put on me. They have slapped it and they have just put it behind the bar and they forgot for 8 months. And we were like, okay, after Diwali we will get, after Holy we will get, okay, after Chunao we will get. We were just waiting. Then that one day that was enough. Then we thought that no, we have to hit the street, we have to come forward. And then the break, you know, they will say, when that fear is gone, when Manish Bhandari got that fear, when he got bail. The one who closed the auction and got bail, then why me? What did I do wrong? In few months I was feeling guilty that maybe I have done something. Then I was like, what the hell? I said, no, I will write there later then. That was the one crucial point. That was Dr. Kapil Ahmad who said accountability should be fixed for those who are really responsible for it. There was a very important point he made, was the later forwarded not only to the college management but higher ups, which were ignored just paperwork were done. And innocent children were, innocent children lost their lives. It is up to you to think about it, to question the system who are really responsible behind this mess.